A karate master in Okinawa once told me; ”if you block your opponents punch, he shouldn’t be able to use that arm again” 👊 Food for thought 😁 Keep up the great work amigo!
Seems like a very high risk to block an elite boxers punches. Especially if an individual doesn't have much sparring experience. If they're an elite boxer that is used to fighting with gloves, a bare first elite boxer would be very lethal and difficult to block. Imagine fighting manny pac or Ryan Garcia or mayweather without gloves. It'll be tough to catch their punches. Jesse, I'm sure you might be able to, but for an amateur fighter without much experience, maybe these types of blocks in the video are better or getting out the way is better.
Right especially with Bruce Lee Chuck Norris Michael Jai White jean-Claude Van Damme Jet Li Steven Siegel Jackie Chan Wesley Snipes All those scripted movies but mythology is still very inspirational
And this is probably one of the biggest misconceptions too, of it. The myth of the fantasy (or comics, especially)-like blocking is strong, just like the hospital trips of those who stick to them/don't look at actual things in favour of it.
One of the first lessons my master taught when learning to actually fight was, "everything is a punch, everything is a block, every movement is a slip, all of this is true, until you start thinking of them as one thing. The minute you think a block is a block, you are loosing. you don't Block, you deflect, you don't slip, you reposition, you don't commit to one attack." that lesson broke me of the idea of blocking everything very quickly. it was not until he broke me of that habit that he started explaining how to take advantage of my movement, and strikes to position for a strike or to counter punch/kick. That lesson also taught me to start looking for ways to use something as simple as a jab, as an intercept, or using a outside crescent kick to counter a round house. (BTW, if you do this, you will accidently kick your partner in the crotch a lot, as your foot with slide up his thigh and right into their groin. it might make your refs and sparing partners mad.)
It's the mentality related with the, before the actual battle, also classifying everything and having all of it in single echelons. Be it "the Taikwondo guy, the Boxing guy, the Muay Thai guy, the MMA guy" and the extreme example of "the Eron guy, the Spider guy, the Tiger guy etc of Kung Fu". Recipe for failure, misunderstanding and bs.
This mindset is true for a lot. We like to organize things and seperate them when they are really the same concept just applied different. This is applicable to fighting, chess, math, sports, engineering, etc.
Hell Awaits- well said. As a martial artist for over 40 years, I am fatigued with martial arts “debunks” from every direction. For example, “boards don’t hit back” . No, and neither does a heavy bag, speed bag or your shadow boxing partner- however those drills build the muscle memory, teach range, condition the hands, joints, body- I could go in all day.
That isn't a shield, just like for bad history or other popularly misconstruction themes/targets. It doesn't excuse how the people actually see it like that, and the damage and inherent misconception that those cause on how the actual themes and things work (in this case, martial arts and fighting, and blocking strikes).
Anyway, it's not like addressing them is automatically attacking it or, to begin with, accusing them of this specific claim (because nobody pretended documentaries, or even wanted to find a GSP/Tony Ferguson martial arts course in place of karate).
I remember my class when I used to practise kung fu, we practised many a forms, traditional stances, steps and footworks etc. But whenever we practised fights, our coach strickly taught us simple steps with simple punches, simple kicks and simple blocks and most important never approach too wide but keep short range. Whether it be footwork, arm or leg extension. The more you extend the more you lose your balance and your defence. He always said styles and names may differ but the fight must be same whatsoever form you practise. Keep it simple and go straight in.
How dare you say that Karate Kid lied?? It is what I have based all my defense on. I have been painting walls, waxing cars and sanding floors like crazy. And now you say it doesnt work.. Keep up the good work Ramsey. Think I will follow your advice to go out there and train because I need to lose some weight :D
A lot of karate blocking comes from kata, waza, etc. Bunkai for these movements is very important. Slips, catching, parrying and countering are all very successful techniques. Thank you for the video.
Right traditional blocks are always supposed to be stepping away at an angle with the block, so they are really deflections not meant to take a blow head on.
I still like to learn both but do remember when I did karate when I was 17 for a few months and a friend did boxing I had a hard time covering up. He had then 2 other friends training in boxing and same thing happened. Guess karate does take a lot longer to master. I later practiced Muay Thai for a bit and felt the difference but still like karate coz the people look strong
Also remember you are supposed to "block" at speed not like a slug and a block could be a parry or catch or strike. It's about intensity and not always shown you have to move your feet when someone is striking at you. Spars in karate used to look like mma. Of course with mcdojos and many decades things do change and not always for the better.
@@jhernandez7144 yes I noticed that with Japanese jiu-jitsu when we blocked the right hook then grabbing it into a throw. Really liked using the block as a strike. I told my cousin who did karate but said they weren't taught that and he had been training for years
If someone thinks the techniques used in these kinds of films work in real life, you are almost obligated to punch them. Seriously, it may save their life in the long run.
I've always wondered why some people do not believe that some "blocks", punches, or other similar techniques in kata are actually artifacts of weapons techniques that remained even after the art became less weapons and offense-oriented and more empty hands and defense-oriented.
Probably because they only operate within the martial arts current frame work think Karate. Karate now is only striking and kicking in tournaments, and thats really important because it shapes how they view how techniques can be used. Old school karate had grapling and sweeps but those are illigal moves in tournaments.
Well that's the big misunderstanding with karate. The are NO blocks in it. What you see in karate is hits, they using the momentum of the attack to hit and damage the opponent's hand. But unfortunately many karate teachers don't really understand or learned this thing in the first place, so that's why they think these are blocks, and that's how they pass it down to their students. Nice video nevertheless.I liked your MMA techniques display.
I think it's becoming more common knowledge nowadays that the "blocks" in traditional karate aren't blocks or strikes, but grappling moves. Iain Abernethy and Jesse Enkamp have got some cool examples that make a lot more sense than reading the kata as being full of knife hand/finger poke/block movements
@@hbskull321 well basically the idea o grappling in karate it's probably a modernized perspective, in the old traditional way it was more of a hitting style, because the karateka had to defend himself against armed assaults usually, so the strike was to damage the opponent's hand and possibly disarm him.
That's kinda true but you couldn't use a block to hurt someone's leg or even there hand if u really think about it I think more of karate blocks now as kind of a exercise to keep u mobile
@@detoxicinspection Honestly I'd advise you to have a look at Iain Abernethy's analysis on this subject exactly, he goes to great lengths to show (with very convincing evidence from the main masters i.e. Funakoshi, Itosu, Asato etc.) that before modern karate in Japan, karate had an enormous amount of grappling, and that the interpretation of bunkai as being blocks, strikes, defending against multiple opponents on the compass directions is wrong from the perspective of traditional karate
I cannot stress enough how greatfull i am for the commercial AT THE END off the video. These 2min in commercials are killing me. Thank you so much for this! Makes supporting you that much easier.
Mad respect for explaining cross properly. Learning marital arts, hearing those terms, I would get confused by what they wanted. Later, I found out it did not matter, but I think it should of.
When I took taekwondo as a kid those goofy blocks were what they taught us. When I got into a karate class as an adult, the instructor taught us the slipping blocks like in this video. Instead of doing a rigid block, slip in, throw a straight and use your outer arm to block. For a high block, as opposed to those 90 degree taekwondo high blocks. Same thing for middle blocks and low blocks. All the blocks were also strikes and dodges.
When I started training karate, I would try to use blocks on sparring, and my sensei told me to not use traditional blocks. He said they were slow, and you make yourself open to a second punch. He said it was better to get out the way and deflect the attack with a tap. I was confused as to why we trained blocks if they were not the best option. Now I know that blocks are not really blocks, they're just attacks on close range.
When I used to teach, I always made sure my students knew the difference between karate, and a real world fight. Most karate taught in clubs is to build self discipline, fitness, strength and confidence, in a safe environment. Real fights are close quarter, and unpredictable, and don’t look good on film. If they came with a movie mentality, they usually gave up in the first few weeks of drills. Blocks aren’t blocks, it’s to move or deflect the power of the punch, or kick, from the most vulnerable areas, and offset your opponents balance. Most martial arts were simplified to appeal to a western audience, and watered down over time to teach kids. As most students leave once they reach the coverted black belt, sadly they don’t get chance to teach the actual real world techniques.
I was taught in my karate dojo that footwork and body position was #1. If you slip the punch then do NOT try a block. I also practiced this within actual punching distance. Through practice I understood a cross without being officially "taught" one. The Karate Kid drives me nuts. They don't move their feet. They don't practice against an attack that can actually land. Their stances are square to the opponent. No head movement. Etc. Dodging is better than blocking. Getting in close is effective against aggressive fighters. Karate can work but only if fight basics are also taught. "Traditional" doesn't have to mean purely theoretical. I hate Karate Kid for perpetuating sloppy fighting arts.
Ramsey, I think you should make a video series with those foundamentals for MMA. for example Boxing for MMA , Muai thaui for MMA , Wreastling for MMA,counterpunching... It would Sold out in a blink of the eye!
In movie fight choreography, that thing of standing slightly out of range and whaling on an opponent who furiously "blocks" every attack is called "Flynning" after the master of the technique, Errol Flynn. By standing out of range, they're pretty much safe, and can get really energetic with it to great dramatic effect. It's not fighting though. It's basically a dance.
It's great to hear someone say that all of those blocking movements and training is useless - then you see SO many mechanics that mimic those same movements minutes later. Blocking drills are like pad drills, you're opponents head isn't to the left and right. You're working on timing, conditioning and muscle memory. It's about moving your body into those positions and switching on the right muscles when you need them. In covering up, deflecting and jamming. All of the body mechanics used in blocking come into play inside the clinch too but you're not blocking strikes but manipulating their limbs with the same movements. The problem with some traditional Martial Arts is that this side of training is not drilled as much as it should be or at all. Most Karate schools never get off the ground floor when it comes to robust combat theory and practice. - Source: Have been training in Karate for 31 years.
Alright, but the set up at the beginning of this video tries to cast a bad light on these techniques being practiced. They're called blocks because that was the attempt to water down the translation and soften Karate. The work Uke actually translates to "receive". With that in mind we have an offensive toolkit "strikes" and defensive toolkit "receiver's." The Karate Kid did not lie to us - it showed us Okinawan defensive pad drills - but with arms. Beginners lessons.
Even in some of the traditional arts like Karate that I trained, the instructor always stated that block was not entirely accurate as "uke" means "receiving", or more accurately intercepting, thus the defensive movements ("blocks" or parries) were always used in conjunction with angling footwork, and the "blocks" were either redirecting the attacking limb, actually counter attacking strikes to the attacking limb, or were actually our counterattacking strikes to open targets on the attacker's body that we now have access to, because the footwork used had us evading the attack and being positioned to immediately counter. Good video.
For anyone who looks at Daniel's skills compared to the other fighters and considers that he wins the tournament for brown belts and higher, this should be the least of their concerns.
Was about to rage "Yes they do" until I realised the topic wasn't about wether they work or not BUT "not blocks, redirects". I like good old "windshield wiper". As far as deflecting kicks go....Yeah, not quite there yet. Also thank you so much about explaining the cross, always wondered about that...
The "wax on wax off" motion in Karate Kid does work to block hooks if you're fast enough to react and if you are confident it isn't a feign to open up your guard for a straight punch. Most of the time covering the back of your ears as you showed in this video is probably the safest way to block if you can't dodge the attack. A lot of traditional martial artists have an impractical idea of blocking. I've run into several of these practitioners who swear they can catch and trap a straight punch so I said let's test that in a safe way. I would proceed to repeat 1-2 punches or just a straight right cross targeting the space between their head and shoulders such that if I targeted a few inches to the right, the punch would crash into their mouth. This gave them repeated opportunities to catch and trap either the jab or right cross mid-flight by grabbing my wrists. But every time they either couldn't even touch me or my hands and wrist would just slide right out of their grasp. I can see the shock on their face as they realize they can't do what they thought they could do even though I am repeating a consistent predictable motion. They can eventually time it to grab the arm but they were never even close to controlling the arms or fist on the way in or on the retract motion. They don't even have to worry about being hit in the face as my punches are moving just a few inches past their chin.
The karate master was teaching the student to block foot short punches to give the impression to the opponent of being in range when he was really out of it. Brilliant!
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I miss being able to practice like this with teachers. Maybe one day the lockdown will be over in my state, but it seems doubtful. At this point I'm just thankful the dojo is still open and we're able to still get some sort of in-person feedback...
I have had long hooks that I throw (I’m gangly) that can be blocked because it hits the elbow other than that I very much agree with this...Great vid Ramsey!
I remember in one of jesse enkamps videos, he showed that the "blocks" I karate from the katas, turn into other things at different ranges. Ex: the high block becomes a frame at close/clinch range. Etc. And one of the things I like about some trapping, is it's not just a "block," but a redirection, jam, and counter strike all at once. But good video. Always enjoy your vids.
Ah, reminds me of some lessons of our 1 or 3-step kumite (shotokan). We'd start off warming up with less range of motion and fairly low intensity and work up to faster / deeper strikes. Eventually you realize that mobility is way better than standing your ground and soaking up the strike. While our blocks are just considered strikes, there's only so many bruises you can take in training before you realize that evasion is the clearly superior alternative (or deflecting to some extent, too). It was always a fun time working with the less experienced students when you stopped being a "compliant" training partner and they have to adapt on the fly to the increased intensity. Big difference between practicing a technique and having to make it work. :)
Got a black belt in Shito-ryu Karate when I was young, and went on to study other styles such as Krav Maga, and Kickboxing. They call them blocks in karate but it's really a form of deflecting an attack with power in order to hurt the opponent's hand/arm. You don't ever stand still when "blocking" you're on the balls of your feet like I'm boxing, and using your opponents momentum against them. It's similar to grappling in the way that you always find an opportunity to intercept. Great video, and great job explaining that these martial arts movies are purely cinematic, not practical.
The way I train and was taught is that the initial chambering/starting position is your guard/deflection and the move that follows ( the "block") is usually a counter strike or used to set up distance or frame against an opponent.
The key to this is in the term "uke." Many students have been told this is the Japanese term for block, but it not at all. The word "uke" stems from the "ukeru," meaning "to receive." So instead of just treating as if you're blocking or repeplling an attack, you're receiving and responding. Iain Abernethy, an expert and proponent of realistic karate application, points out that at close range these long "blocks" simply don't work, and that just blocking like that neglects other ways and ranges in which the movements can be used.
Large over exaggerating movements in basics are to get you to work the muscle groups. It’s essentially a drill. Sparring is totally different problem is where that connection is never made.
I trained in Okinawan karate as a young man and we were taught to strike as a block, much like in Karate kid. Our regular block to be used around the chest area started with your fist down low by your side and you would sweep it up across your entire body until your fist is facing up in front of you. I remember even then thinking there was no way I would have time to block a punch with a longer, slower movement. Funny enough, when we prepared for competitions, we never did any of that and instead employed more basic, Western boxing style blocks. I never understood why we were taught one way for katas and then another way to actually compete, but that was how it went down.
As soon as it started i was going to say "its not blocking, its a parry" major part of actually using them is to move as you do it to attack, as you pointed out.
I use block if I think he's tired and I don't want to move away anymore. Usually this means I want to hurt you now cuz i don't respect your power anymore so I block in order to stay in position to do some real damage with my counters. Blocking in my opinion is a lot more advanced then moving away because there's a lot of minute details that are important but can probably only be learned threw real fight experience or sparring. Also blocks in martial arts are also a strike and a guide or bender of energy. This concept can also be used in boxing. Like the shoulder roll for example. The shoulder roll is a block a move and a parri. The hardest way to use the shoulder roll is as a guide of energy it requires you let the opponent hit you in the shoulder and then slightly move to the direction you want to send the punch to leaving him exposed to a counter. This concept can be used with any type of block and is whet the concept of chi manipulation comes from
I think the question of every karate guy in this video is: so the block that they taught me is useless and if i use it in a real fight i'm gonna get punched?
1000% correct. If you can move out of the way, just move! And weaponize blocks! But also keep in mind, some of those old school blocks aren’t solely for fighting someone with their hands up in front of you. Also some of that is for basic movements. Can’t trust someone to block a fast jab if they can’t stop a slow haymaker.
When I started doing HEMA I started to learn how powerful swaying in and out of range was really good for baiting weapon swings and punishing with counter strikes
hey boss, fomrer student of World Tang Soo Do academy in PA. we learned the "wax on wax off" blocks with correct technique exactly for the purpose of passing punches. in drill or sparring we keep it light and do over exaggerated technique so people learn the muscle memory to do an inside or outside pass with any of those blocks you showed at the beginning combined with how u passed ur sparring partners punches at 2:30. maybe that will help clear things up
In a way your demonstrations of the meanings of these blocks is just as cool as the scene where danial discovers that he was training karate blocks by doing wax on and wax off the whole time.
That block you show against a hook is almost verbatim the block posture taught against such punches in Isshin-ryu. The response is rapid backfist strike against the attacker coming from the blocking arm (follow the punch to land on their nose through their guard to disrupt them, and follow up with heavy attacks (basic shows a heavy punch to the solar plexus, but in practice the rule is "whatever you can get").
the first 1-2 parrying drill is basically karate's Soto Uke (out-to-in block) in full-contact style. the robotic-type blocks at the start of the vid would be better as a personal workout (for speed/power, for instance) than an actual partner drill/sparring in full-contact. I also recall an Okinawan grandmaster describing karate blocks as "receiving & redirecting" rather than direct parries. apparently that notion got lost when karate went to mainland Japan.
It's a movie, they need to stand still while blocking to make it look cool. My karate teacher said if you try to block/parry without body movements, every third punch will land on your face because of 2 things: 1. The guy punching you by now will have the estimation of the punching range after 2 failed attempts 2. Because you are reacting to the attacks, it puts a lot mental strain on you so you will miss a punch eventually.
Agree with what you said. In the block position you demonstrated, though, aren't you limiting your field of vision? I guess it would work for protection if you're being pummeled with punches, but you have no hope of counter-punching from that position because you can't see
My last fight left me half blind. I can’t see anyway. That being said, you’ll have plenty of space between your arms to see everything you need to see- which isn’t much, since the more important sense in the scenario of covering up is to feel when the impact happens so you know exactly when your opponent’s arm is extended (ergo, his guard is open) so you can counter punch. Watch Ryoto Murata’s pro boxing career to see this concept in action at the highest level.
@@RamseyDewey Thank you. Sorry to hear about your injury. Please understand, I am not disagreeing with you, I just want to better understand. Wouldn't it be better if your hands were at chin level, as boxers do? I get your point about the punch to the back of the head, but for the opponent to do that, they need to throw a haymaker with such an opening that it would be easier to just move in and punch them straight in the face.
Personally, I love to throw an outer form block as a counter to a hook punch. SLAM my forearm/wrist into their bicep (preferably just above the elbow), and the harder the punch the more painful the impact for them. Then it segues nicely into a grapple (since your hand is already there, in a perfect position to grab their arm for a controlling position). One of my favorite tactics is to block a couple of punches and grip their arms, then start slamming them with knees and kicks.
When I was still younger, I wanted to become a fighter and loved fighting, but I used to see boxers training, but didnt join them, because the movies made it look as if karate is superior to boxing and boxing isn't effective and for losers, so I snubbed the boxers all those due to movie fantasy and my greatest regret in live, am currently a judo freak and blue belt, but I wish I wasn't brainwashed and deceived by the movie industry
The sparring demonstration suddenly gave me a light bulb moment that kinda shows how you can use dirty boxing for self defense if rules dont apply and youre in an actual life and death situation
Thankfully I never trained in the Karate-style blocks as I use to train in it back in my Taekwon-do days, funny enough I noticed the flaws of those types of blocking when I was choreographing a fight scene with my cousin 5-6 years ago in Pakistan.
I used to do Shotokan when I was a kid and once I did also one day at Viet Vo Dao. I saw similar things but one that was different is that they used to block with their fists instead of their forearms.
Respectfully, Dewey, blocking in my experience is vastly different with vs without gloves, and the type of gloves matter. As someone who trains without gear, I find the traditional "karate kid-style" blocks to be more effective when you condition and use your forearms as weapons for damaging your opponent's arms. That being said, I typically block/deflect with my palms (thanks focus mitts). Now I'm kind of scrawny so the coverup method doesn't work well for me, I have to move a lot.
Speaking of overconfidence and popular misconceptions: Traditional martial arts are often practiced in a very restrictive setting without real intent making it safe to practice, but give you false confidence defending against real strikes... Now, MMA gives you more realistic practice, but gloves also give you the wrong impression. The first time I punched a heavy bag without gloves it hurt me real bad and the bag was definitely softer than a skull... Similarly, gloves allow some defensive maneuvers that make no sense on the street and some really hide behind giant gloves and their defense becomes static... The biggest misconception however remains that you can punch full force without breaking your own hand... TV did a huge disservice here...
Interesting. I was told by my grandfather, who was in WWII & boxed golden gloves, that when he learned boxing as a kid that a cross was like a straight right but it crossed the centreline with the intended target primarily being the opponents right eye.
@@RamseyDewey thank you for replying I get that in modern current boxing it definitely means what you're saying no argument there. What I'm saying is years ago it could have meant something different and by years ago I mean like back in the bare knuckle error. I'm sure you're aware how different bare knuckle boxing was to current market at Queensbury gloves on boxing. my grandfather lost used to tell me a lot of stories about old barekel boxers even though he was born after that era ended. Hammer fist are not allowed in boxing these days but a hammer fist at one point was referred to as a chopper earlier than that a chopper was using a downward vertical backfist with the knuckles.... So while it could be my grandfather was wrong altogether it could also be that he was taught a version of the Cross before it took on the meaning it now has. but regardless I'm going to try to do some research and see what I can turn up again thank you for your prompt response
Hey Ramsey, love your content :). So, there's an interesting fact about the japanese word we associate with "blocking", uke. Like, at the beginning of the video, you show the fairly basic "blocks" of karate: soto/uchi uke, gedan barai (which is the exception), and age uke. Now, the first problem here, the first mistake we made that COMPLETELY dictates our vision of karate, and martial arts in general, is the association of "uke" with "block". In reality, uke comes from the verb "ukeru" (受ける), which means "accept, receive". So, basically, something like "age uke" doesn't quite mean "high block", but rather "accepting to receive a blow coming overhead". It's simply stating the knowledge that an attack is coming, and that we're ready to deal with it. A thing that we also learn in karate, especially in shotokan, but I guess other styles do it too, is to "arm" the "block" by crossing your arms. So, to take the "upper block" age uke, if you block with your right arm, you'll have crossed your left arm first. Problem is, nobody is fast enough to see a punch coming, even in a consensual fight, and be able to "shoot" the non-blocking hand first, then block with the actual blocking hand. Nobody is ever that fast. But, if you listen to many karateka, it's almost like a divine superpower when you become fast enough to actually do it. Which, well... is great when you're 10 years old and MMA isn't on your radar, but if trained fighters like Amanda Nunes or Ernesto Hoost can't do it in a fight, I'm not sure Timmy, 4th dan who never had a professional full contact fight, would be able to. But, if you think about the fact that "uke" doesn't mean "block" but "receive, accept", and has that idea of "readiness" towards an attack, then the ENTIRE technique makes much more sense, and is something that I personally find has some nice... similarities with Filipino Martial Arts: basically, just like you demonstrated with your jab parries, the ACTUAL defense part of the technique is the "arming" of the so-called "block", and the actual "block" being kind of a counter attack. In the case of uchi/soto uke (the name changes depending on the school, but it's basically the outside-inside "block"), the punch, for example, was parried by the first arm, possibly but not necessarily grabbing the hand, and the soto/uchi uke is actually either attacking the head, but also possibly the arm, not necessarily with the goal of breaking the joint, but at least hitting the muscle, among other targets. It's reminiscent, to me at least, of the "gunting" principles in kali, where you try to "destroy" the enemy's natural weapons by "destroying" them. I think that the misinterpretation of the word "uke" in japanese techniques has lead to a general misunderstanding of the art, and martial arts in general, at least to the same level of misunderstanding of the word "Bu" in chinese, where the word was misunderstood for "stance" when it meant "step".
I train in a IOGKF dojo , a Okinawan goju-ryu style karate, the application of uke(block) can be anything, it can be block, frame, joint lock, strike, and we do use gedan barai(downward block)as a way to disengage grab from opponent, and senseis from Okinawa often use kata move as grappling technique , rather is a throw or joint lock, I guess it's just because grappling is the most common and basic way of human fighting, and it's also common in a self-defense situation. so I think Ramsey just accidentally found out what Okinawa karate really is. lol
A karate master in Okinawa once told me; ”if you block your opponents punch, he shouldn’t be able to use that arm again” 👊 Food for thought 😁 Keep up the great work amigo!
My instructor saids When you block your opponents punch , they won’t wanna punch you again.
Seems like a very high risk to block an elite boxers punches. Especially if an individual doesn't have much sparring experience. If they're an elite boxer that is used to fighting with gloves, a bare first elite boxer would be very lethal and difficult to block. Imagine fighting manny pac or Ryan Garcia or mayweather without gloves. It'll be tough to catch their punches. Jesse, I'm sure you might be able to, but for an amateur fighter without much experience, maybe these types of blocks in the video are better or getting out the way is better.
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I love blocks for the offense they provide. It's nice when you choose to block a strike and you see the reaction of, "Why did that hurt?" 😂😂😂
@@furrybproductions Makes sense why block and do nothing when you can stop the blow and strike at the same time.
General population's knowledge of martial arts comes mostly from what they have seen in the movies
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Right especially with Bruce Lee Chuck Norris Michael Jai White jean-Claude Van Damme Jet Li Steven Siegel Jackie Chan Wesley Snipes All those scripted movies but mythology is still very inspirational
And this is probably one of the biggest misconceptions too, of it.
The myth of the fantasy (or comics, especially)-like blocking is strong, just like the hospital trips of those who stick to them/don't look at actual things in favour of it.
And video games.
What about UFC?
Miyagi did not lie. My car always has a nice glossy shine.
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Mr. Miyagi did teach Daniel, "Best block, no be there". But that had to wait till the second movie.
Useful when the other guy can chop a tree in half
@@willh3972 hahaha
One of the first lessons my master taught when learning to actually fight was, "everything is a punch, everything is a block, every movement is a slip, all of this is true, until you start thinking of them as one thing. The minute you think a block is a block, you are loosing. you don't Block, you deflect, you don't slip, you reposition, you don't commit to one attack." that lesson broke me of the idea of blocking everything very quickly. it was not until he broke me of that habit that he started explaining how to take advantage of my movement, and strikes to position for a strike or to counter punch/kick. That lesson also taught me to start looking for ways to use something as simple as a jab, as an intercept, or using a outside crescent kick to counter a round house. (BTW, if you do this, you will accidently kick your partner in the crotch a lot, as your foot with slide up his thigh and right into their groin. it might make your refs and sparing partners mad.)
It's the mentality related with the, before the actual battle, also classifying everything and having all of it in single echelons.
Be it "the Taikwondo guy, the Boxing guy, the Muay Thai guy, the MMA guy" and the extreme example of "the Eron guy, the Spider guy, the Tiger guy etc of Kung Fu".
Recipe for failure, misunderstanding and bs.
What's your art ?
@@blue_belt_blues9554 Kung Fu.
This mindset is true for a lot. We like to organize things and seperate them when they are really the same concept just applied different. This is applicable to fighting, chess, math, sports, engineering, etc.
I'm your 69th like😉
Actually I always had my suspicions about the Karate Kid, because when he blocked he didn't use a paint brush.
I’m a painter and what a disgrace it was watching the movie
Yeah! And where was his wax?
O please
You’re correct those “blocks” are strikes, throws, releases from holds, and a million other things that might include blocking but not in that way.
Hell Awaits- well said. As a martial artist for over 40 years, I am fatigued with martial arts “debunks” from every direction. For example, “boards don’t hit back” . No, and neither does a heavy bag, speed bag or your shadow boxing partner- however those drills build the muscle memory, teach range, condition the hands, joints, body- I could go in all day.
Wait the karate kid isnt a documentary? Im shocked and appalled!
Don’t be a-and i-i-it’s o-ok r-really
@@hemi5.7awdpursuit5 to late. I am commit self die
That isn't a shield, just like for bad history or other popularly misconstruction themes/targets.
It doesn't excuse how the people actually see it like that, and the damage and inherent misconception that those cause on how the actual themes and things work (in this case, martial arts and fighting, and blocking strikes).
Anyway, it's not like addressing them is automatically attacking it or, to begin with, accusing them of this specific claim (because nobody pretended documentaries, or even wanted to find a GSP/Tony Ferguson martial arts course in place of karate).
@@dusk6159 not gunna lie, i may be a bit retarded, but i cant tell what youre trying to say
Jack Dempsey said it well in his book when he lists the 3 basic defenses.From the least to most preferable: (Blocking
That book is everything. I'm still reading it
Jack Dempsey was the man, I’m still trying to get that “falling punch” technique down
What is the name of the book? Heard really good things about it and wanna read it for myself
@@diamonddustin7664 it’s called championship fighting by jack dempsey
@@iamthelizardking6239 thanks mate I will definitely read it
I remember my class when I used to practise kung fu, we practised many a forms, traditional stances, steps and footworks etc. But whenever we practised fights, our coach strickly taught us simple steps with simple punches, simple kicks and simple blocks and most important never approach too wide but keep short range. Whether it be footwork, arm or leg extension. The more you extend the more you lose your balance and your defence.
He always said styles and names may differ but the fight must be same whatsoever form you practise. Keep it simple and go straight in.
Good
That's real kung fu i guess
No like from the devs though. Sad thought ya had a sound msg.
How dare you say that Karate Kid lied?? It is what I have based all my defense on. I have been painting walls, waxing cars and sanding floors like crazy. And now you say it doesnt work.. Keep up the good work Ramsey. Think I will follow your advice to go out there and train because I need to lose some weight :D
Mines is based off power rangers except I have to do acid to morph and fight invisible Rita’s monsters
Hilarious ....👌👌👌👌
Contractors are best martial artists
But think how good your walls, floors and cars now look...
In the original "karate kid" there were no cars. The 'wax on waxoff' was on the floor if I remember correctly!
A lot of karate blocking comes from kata, waza, etc. Bunkai for these movements is very important. Slips, catching, parrying and countering are all very successful techniques. Thank you for the video.
Right traditional blocks are always supposed to be stepping away at an angle with the block, so they are really deflections not meant to take a blow head on.
I still like to learn both but do remember when I did karate when I was 17 for a few months and a friend did boxing I had a hard time covering up. He had then 2 other friends training in boxing and same thing happened. Guess karate does take a lot longer to master. I later practiced Muay Thai for a bit and felt the difference but still like karate coz the people look strong
Also remember you are supposed to "block" at speed not like a slug and a block could be a parry or catch or strike. It's about intensity and not always shown you have to move your feet when someone is striking at you. Spars in karate used to look like mma. Of course with mcdojos and many decades things do change and not always for the better.
@@jhernandez7144 yes I noticed that with Japanese jiu-jitsu when we blocked the right hook then grabbing it into a throw. Really liked using the block as a strike. I told my cousin who did karate but said they weren't taught that and he had been training for years
Kata, *waza* etc!? Waza just means technique....
And here i was thinking that the crane kick was a no can defend.
It’s supposed to scare attacker’s off like a scarecrow to crows I think
Works well for machida..
Only if do right.
Well when Daniel was fighting Chosen in karate kid he failed the kick so what you said is incorrect.
@@ognjenradanovic1256 Mr. Miyagi said of the crane kick: "If do right, no can defense." That means, if Chosen defense, then Daniel-san no do right.
I might get punched in the face a lot, but my fence looks great and my car is clean and shiny.
I am VERY angry you made me laugh out loud just now.
Your house gets painted too
'Daniel-san, best way to block punch? Not be there. ' - Miyagi
this was one of the most entertaining videos for me, took me right to the gym and explained some key things lol, great stuff as always
If someone thinks the techniques used in these kinds of films work in real life, you are almost obligated to punch them. Seriously, it may save their life in the long run.
Really because i've used these basic blocks in real life many times. What a clown.
@@bloodsports94 Sure you have.
I've always wondered why some people do not believe that some "blocks", punches, or other similar techniques in kata are actually artifacts of weapons techniques that remained even after the art became less weapons and offense-oriented and more empty hands and defense-oriented.
True, i've thought of that
Probably because they only operate within the martial arts current frame work think Karate. Karate now is only striking and kicking in tournaments, and thats really important because it shapes how they view how techniques can be used. Old school karate had grapling and sweeps but those are illigal moves in tournaments.
Well that's the big misunderstanding with karate. The are NO blocks in it. What you see in karate is hits, they using the momentum of the attack to hit and damage the opponent's hand. But unfortunately many karate teachers don't really understand or learned this thing in the first place, so that's why they think these are blocks, and that's how they pass it down to their students. Nice video nevertheless.I liked your MMA techniques display.
I think it's becoming more common knowledge nowadays that the "blocks" in traditional karate aren't blocks or strikes, but grappling moves. Iain Abernethy and Jesse Enkamp have got some cool examples that make a lot more sense than reading the kata as being full of knife hand/finger poke/block movements
@@hbskull321 well basically the idea o grappling in karate it's probably a modernized perspective, in the old traditional way it was more of a hitting style, because the karateka had to defend himself against armed assaults usually, so the strike was to damage the opponent's hand and possibly disarm him.
That's kinda true but you couldn't use a block to hurt someone's leg or even there hand if u really think about it I think more of karate blocks now as kind of a exercise to keep u mobile
No blocks, no head movements, because most karate styles banned punches to the face...
@@detoxicinspection Honestly I'd advise you to have a look at Iain Abernethy's analysis on this subject exactly, he goes to great lengths to show (with very convincing evidence from the main masters i.e. Funakoshi, Itosu, Asato etc.) that before modern karate in Japan, karate had an enormous amount of grappling, and that the interpretation of bunkai as being blocks, strikes, defending against multiple opponents on the compass directions is wrong from the perspective of traditional karate
I cannot stress enough how greatfull i am for the commercial AT THE END off the video. These 2min in commercials are killing me.
Thank you so much for this! Makes supporting you that much easier.
I never liked static blocking, I tried this in one of my first fights. Blocked one haymaker, blocked a second, then missed several and got beat up lol
Thank you so much for discussing parrying strikes. Its an essential skill set especially when one is out of stamina. Highly underrated.
Mad respect for explaining cross properly. Learning marital arts, hearing those terms, I would get confused by what they wanted. Later, I found out it did not matter, but I think it should of.
When I took taekwondo as a kid those goofy blocks were what they taught us. When I got into a karate class as an adult, the instructor taught us the slipping blocks like in this video. Instead of doing a rigid block, slip in, throw a straight and use your outer arm to block. For a high block, as opposed to those 90 degree taekwondo high blocks. Same thing for middle blocks and low blocks. All the blocks were also strikes and dodges.
It reminds me of that Jake mace matrix parody 😂 edit: then the gif appears
“Punch me, please” 😂
Harder senpai
"...that's why its called a cross..." ❤
When I started training karate, I would try to use blocks on sparring, and my sensei told me to not use traditional blocks. He said they were slow, and you make yourself open to a second punch. He said it was better to get out the way and deflect the attack with a tap. I was confused as to why we trained blocks if they were not the best option. Now I know that blocks are not really blocks, they're just attacks on close range.
Or u can use them as grappling defance or in the case of 'knife hand' grappling attack.
When I used to teach, I always made sure my students knew the difference between karate, and a real world fight. Most karate taught in clubs is to build self discipline, fitness, strength and confidence, in a safe environment. Real fights are close quarter, and unpredictable, and don’t look good on film. If they came with a movie mentality, they usually gave up in the first few weeks of drills. Blocks aren’t blocks, it’s to move or deflect the power of the punch, or kick, from the most vulnerable areas, and offset your opponents balance. Most martial arts were simplified to appeal to a western audience, and watered down over time to teach kids. As most students leave once they reach the coverted black belt, sadly they don’t get chance to teach the actual real world techniques.
Love these demo video's, Ramsey! Keep'em coming! Thanks to both of you.
I was taught in my karate dojo that footwork and body position was #1. If you slip the punch then do NOT try a block. I also practiced this within actual punching distance. Through practice I understood a cross without being officially "taught" one.
The Karate Kid drives me nuts. They don't move their feet. They don't practice against an attack that can actually land. Their stances are square to the opponent. No head movement. Etc.
Dodging is better than blocking. Getting in close is effective against aggressive fighters. Karate can work but only if fight basics are also taught. "Traditional" doesn't have to mean purely theoretical.
I hate Karate Kid for perpetuating sloppy fighting arts.
Great lesson I now have an understanding to blocking.Now I have to put it to test.That was helpful for me to improve.
Ramsey, I think you should make a video series with those foundamentals for MMA. for example Boxing for MMA , Muai thaui for MMA , Wreastling for MMA,counterpunching... It would Sold out in a blink of the eye!
I really miss doing sports... but really great video. Extremely informative!
Right in the childhood, Ramsey.
In movie fight choreography, that thing of standing slightly out of range and whaling on an opponent who furiously "blocks" every attack is called "Flynning" after the master of the technique, Errol Flynn. By standing out of range, they're pretty much safe, and can get really energetic with it to great dramatic effect. It's not fighting though. It's basically a dance.
Also gives the actors a chance to grimace at each other and shout threats or reveal “i am your father!” 😂
It's great to hear someone say that all of those blocking movements and training is useless - then you see SO many mechanics that mimic those same movements minutes later. Blocking drills are like pad drills, you're opponents head isn't to the left and right. You're working on timing, conditioning and muscle memory. It's about moving your body into those positions and switching on the right muscles when you need them. In covering up, deflecting and jamming. All of the body mechanics used in blocking come into play inside the clinch too but you're not blocking strikes but manipulating their limbs with the same movements. The problem with some traditional Martial Arts is that this side of training is not drilled as much as it should be or at all. Most Karate schools never get off the ground floor when it comes to robust combat theory and practice. - Source: Have been training in Karate for 31 years.
I didn’t say they are useless, I said they are not actually blocks.
Alright, but the set up at the beginning of this video tries to cast a bad light on these techniques being practiced.
They're called blocks because that was the attempt to water down the translation and soften Karate. The work Uke actually translates to "receive". With that in mind we have an offensive toolkit "strikes" and defensive toolkit "receiver's." The Karate Kid did not lie to us - it showed us Okinawan defensive pad drills - but with arms. Beginners lessons.
Thanks for another video coach
Yeah I haven't gotten to that step I'm still trying to catch a fly with my chopsticks.
Even in some of the traditional arts like Karate that I trained, the instructor always stated that block was not entirely accurate as "uke" means "receiving", or more accurately intercepting, thus the defensive movements ("blocks" or parries) were always used in conjunction with angling footwork, and the "blocks" were either redirecting the attacking limb, actually counter attacking strikes to the attacking limb, or were actually our counterattacking strikes to open targets on the attacker's body that we now have access to, because the footwork used had us evading the attack and being positioned to immediately counter. Good video.
This is one of the best most informative videos on your channel. Great techniques and tactics in a short amount of time.
For anyone who looks at Daniel's skills compared to the other fighters and considers that he wins the tournament for brown belts and higher, this should be the least of their concerns.
Thanks for an informative exposition on blocking. Mahalo and Aloha.
Was about to rage "Yes they do" until I realised the topic wasn't about wether they work or not BUT "not blocks, redirects".
I like good old "windshield wiper".
As far as deflecting kicks go....Yeah, not quite there yet.
Also thank you so much about explaining the cross, always wondered about that...
The "wax on wax off" motion in Karate Kid does work to block hooks if you're fast enough to react and if you are confident it isn't a feign to open up your guard for a straight punch. Most of the time covering the back of your ears as you showed in this video is probably the safest way to block if you can't dodge the attack.
A lot of traditional martial artists have an impractical idea of blocking. I've run into several of these practitioners who swear they can catch and trap a straight punch so I said let's test that in a safe way. I would proceed to repeat 1-2 punches or just a straight right cross targeting the space between their head and shoulders such that if I targeted a few inches to the right, the punch would crash into their mouth. This gave them repeated opportunities to catch and trap either the jab or right cross mid-flight by grabbing my wrists. But every time they either couldn't even touch me or my hands and wrist would just slide right out of their grasp. I can see the shock on their face as they realize they can't do what they thought they could do even though I am repeating a consistent predictable motion. They can eventually time it to grab the arm but they were never even close to controlling the arms or fist on the way in or on the retract motion. They don't even have to worry about being hit in the face as my punches are moving just a few inches past their chin.
Wax on wax off is much better to set up an arm drag.
@@RamseyDeweywhat's that
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The karate master was teaching the student to block foot short punches to give the impression to the opponent of being in range when he was really out of it. Brilliant!
I like the camouflaged left sleeve so that your opponent won't see your left jab coming if you're fighting in a forest.
Exactly!
This is fascinating, learned a lot today
These videos are just getting better and better. I'm learning a lot!
Another great video Ramsey!!
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Stay focused and train hard has always been my philosophy.
Hey Ramsey, we're learning about different defences and how to apply them like parries and counters. This is super helpful.
I enjoy this coaching, the movements are brilliant.
I still agree with you tho it's just that I have a much different concept of what a "block" is than people typically would.
I miss being able to practice like this with teachers. Maybe one day the lockdown will be over in my state, but it seems doubtful. At this point I'm just thankful the dojo is still open and we're able to still get some sort of in-person feedback...
As I learned more and more, strikes should be able to break the opponent or at least redirecting the attack. Good video, stay strong
I have had long hooks that I throw (I’m gangly) that can be blocked because it hits the elbow other than that I very much agree with this...Great vid Ramsey!
I remember in one of jesse enkamps videos, he showed that the "blocks" I karate from the katas, turn into other things at different ranges. Ex: the high block becomes a frame at close/clinch range. Etc. And one of the things I like about some trapping, is it's not just a "block," but a redirection, jam, and counter strike all at once.
But good video. Always enjoy your vids.
Ah, reminds me of some lessons of our 1 or 3-step kumite (shotokan). We'd start off warming up with less range of motion and fairly low intensity and work up to faster / deeper strikes. Eventually you realize that mobility is way better than standing your ground and soaking up the strike. While our blocks are just considered strikes, there's only so many bruises you can take in training before you realize that evasion is the clearly superior alternative (or deflecting to some extent, too). It was always a fun time working with the less experienced students when you stopped being a "compliant" training partner and they have to adapt on the fly to the increased intensity. Big difference between practicing a technique and having to make it work. :)
Got a black belt in Shito-ryu Karate when I was young, and went on to study other styles such as Krav Maga, and Kickboxing. They call them blocks in karate but it's really a form of deflecting an attack with power in order to hurt the opponent's hand/arm. You don't ever stand still when "blocking" you're on the balls of your feet like I'm boxing, and using your opponents momentum against them. It's similar to grappling in the way that you always find an opportunity to intercept. Great video, and great job explaining that these martial arts movies are purely cinematic, not practical.
The way I train and was taught is that the initial chambering/starting position is your guard/deflection and the move that follows ( the "block") is usually a counter strike or used to set up distance or frame against an opponent.
The key to this is in the term "uke." Many students have been told this is the Japanese term for block, but it not at all. The word "uke" stems from the "ukeru," meaning "to receive." So instead of just treating as if you're blocking or repeplling an attack, you're receiving and responding. Iain Abernethy, an expert and proponent of realistic karate application, points out that at close range these long "blocks" simply don't work, and that just blocking like that neglects other ways and ranges in which the movements can be used.
Large over exaggerating movements in basics are to get you to work the muscle groups. It’s essentially a drill. Sparring is totally different problem is where that connection is never made.
I trained in Okinawan karate as a young man and we were taught to strike as a block, much like in Karate kid. Our regular block to be used around the chest area started with your fist down low by your side and you would sweep it up across your entire body until your fist is facing up in front of you. I remember even then thinking there was no way I would have time to block a punch with a longer, slower movement. Funny enough, when we prepared for competitions, we never did any of that and instead employed more basic, Western boxing style blocks. I never understood why we were taught one way for katas and then another way to actually compete, but that was how it went down.
As soon as it started i was going to say "its not blocking, its a parry" major part of actually using them is to move as you do it to attack, as you pointed out.
I use block if I think he's tired and I don't want to move away anymore. Usually this means I want to hurt you now cuz i don't respect your power anymore so I block in order to stay in position to do some real damage with my counters. Blocking in my opinion is a lot more advanced then moving away because there's a lot of minute details that are important but can probably only be learned threw real fight experience or sparring. Also blocks in martial arts are also a strike and a guide or bender of energy. This concept can also be used in boxing. Like the shoulder roll for example. The shoulder roll is a block a move and a parri. The hardest way to use the shoulder roll is as a guide of energy it requires you let the opponent hit you in the shoulder and then slightly move to the direction you want to send the punch to leaving him exposed to a counter. This concept can be used with any type of block and is whet the concept of chi manipulation comes from
I think the question of every karate guy in this video is: so the block that they taught me is useless and if i use it in a real fight i'm gonna get punched?
1000% correct. If you can move out of the way, just move! And weaponize blocks! But also keep in mind, some of those old school blocks aren’t solely for fighting someone with their hands up in front of you. Also some of that is for basic movements. Can’t trust someone to block a fast jab if they can’t stop a slow haymaker.
Those karate blocks are grappling techniques.
When I started doing HEMA I started to learn how powerful swaying in and out of range was really good for baiting weapon swings and punishing with counter strikes
hey boss, fomrer student of World Tang Soo Do academy in PA. we learned the "wax on wax off" blocks with correct technique exactly for the purpose of passing punches. in drill or sparring we keep it light and do over exaggerated technique so people learn the muscle memory to do an inside or outside pass with any of those blocks you showed at the beginning combined with how u passed ur sparring partners punches at 2:30. maybe that will help clear things up
Mr. Miyagi was legit damn it!! 😝
A great display of skill. I learned a lot, thank you.
He was TRAINING him!
It wasn't full force,but it DID show Daniel that all those chores were to help him learn the basics!😎
Mr Miyagi taught the basics WRONG.
In a way your demonstrations of the meanings of these blocks is just as cool as the scene where danial discovers that he was training karate blocks by doing wax on and wax off the whole time.
That block you show against a hook is almost verbatim the block posture taught against such punches in Isshin-ryu. The response is rapid backfist strike against the attacker coming from the blocking arm (follow the punch to land on their nose through their guard to disrupt them, and follow up with heavy attacks (basic shows a heavy punch to the solar plexus, but in practice the rule is "whatever you can get").
the first 1-2 parrying drill is basically karate's Soto Uke (out-to-in block) in full-contact style. the robotic-type blocks at the start of the vid would be better as a personal workout (for speed/power, for instance) than an actual partner drill/sparring in full-contact.
I also recall an Okinawan grandmaster describing karate blocks as "receiving & redirecting" rather than direct parries. apparently that notion got lost when karate went to mainland Japan.
Jeet Kune Do puts emphasis on counter-punching too..
I love the Tensho Kata..and is very effective obviously with combinations
It's a movie, they need to stand still while blocking to make it look cool. My karate teacher said if you try to block/parry without body movements, every third punch will land on your face because of 2 things:
1. The guy punching you by now will have the estimation of the punching range after 2 failed attempts
2. Because you are reacting to the attacks, it puts a lot mental strain on you so you will miss a punch eventually.
Agree with what you said. In the block position you demonstrated, though, aren't you limiting your field of vision? I guess it would work for protection if you're being pummeled with punches, but you have no hope of counter-punching from that position because you can't see
My last fight left me half blind. I can’t see anyway. That being said, you’ll have plenty of space between your arms to see everything you need to see- which isn’t much, since the more important sense in the scenario of covering up is to feel when the impact happens so you know exactly when your opponent’s arm is extended (ergo, his guard is open) so you can counter punch. Watch Ryoto Murata’s pro boxing career to see this concept in action at the highest level.
@@RamseyDewey Thank you. Sorry to hear about your injury. Please understand, I am not disagreeing with you, I just want to better understand. Wouldn't it be better if your hands were at chin level, as boxers do? I get your point about the punch to the back of the head, but for the opponent to do that, they need to throw a haymaker with such an opening that it would be easier to just move in and punch them straight in the face.
Personally, I love to throw an outer form block as a counter to a hook punch. SLAM my forearm/wrist into their bicep (preferably just above the elbow), and the harder the punch the more painful the impact for them. Then it segues nicely into a grapple (since your hand is already there, in a perfect position to grab their arm for a controlling position).
One of my favorite tactics is to block a couple of punches and grip their arms, then start slamming them with knees and kicks.
When I was still younger, I wanted to become a fighter and loved fighting, but I used to see boxers training, but didnt join them, because the movies made it look as if karate is superior to boxing and boxing isn't effective and for losers, so I snubbed the boxers all those due to movie fantasy and my greatest regret in live, am currently a judo freak and blue belt, but I wish I wasn't brainwashed and deceived by the movie industry
Love the TaiChi leg grab/throw.
Wow! Lots of great information in this video!
The sparring demonstration suddenly gave me a light bulb moment that kinda shows how you can use dirty boxing for self defense if rules dont apply and youre in an actual life and death situation
It's not just the karate kid that lied, but so did my karate class, because we were taught these movement were blocks.
Thankfully I never trained in the Karate-style blocks as I use to train in it back in my Taekwon-do days, funny enough I noticed the flaws of those types of blocking when I was choreographing a fight scene with my cousin 5-6 years ago in Pakistan.
I used to do Shotokan when I was a kid and once I did also one day at Viet Vo Dao. I saw similar things but one that was different is that they used to block with their fists instead of their forearms.
Respectfully, Dewey, blocking in my experience is vastly different with vs without gloves, and the type of gloves matter. As someone who trains without gear, I find the traditional "karate kid-style" blocks to be more effective when you condition and use your forearms as weapons for damaging your opponent's arms. That being said, I typically block/deflect with my palms (thanks focus mitts). Now I'm kind of scrawny so the coverup method doesn't work well for me, I have to move a lot.
If you’re blocking is vastly different without gloves, your technique is wrong. Fix it.
@@RamseyDewey i kinda agree with what he is saying, gloves play quite a lot of role
@@fenrir834 If you are trying to block with gloves, you will get hurt: ruclips.net/video/NzQheo6_SVA/видео.html
@@RamseyDewey Man you're delusional
@@bloodsports94 tell me you don’t know how to fight without telling me you don’t know how to fight!
i like watching these videos on double speed. looks crazy
Awesome techniques coach like always
Speaking of overconfidence and popular misconceptions:
Traditional martial arts are often practiced in a very restrictive setting without real intent making it safe to practice, but give you false confidence defending against real strikes...
Now, MMA gives you more realistic practice, but gloves also give you the wrong impression. The first time I punched a heavy bag without gloves it hurt me real bad and the bag was definitely softer than a skull... Similarly, gloves allow some defensive maneuvers that make no sense on the street and some really hide behind giant gloves and their defense becomes static...
The biggest misconception however remains that you can punch full force without breaking your own hand... TV did a huge disservice here...
When I was taught these 'karate blocks,' we were taught to apply it for arm trapping and clinchwork.
Higher! Higher! Higher! 😂 You've ruined my childhood memories! RIP Mr Miyagi.
Thanks for this one coach!
Interesting.
I was told by my grandfather, who was in WWII & boxed golden gloves, that when he learned boxing as a kid that a cross was like a straight right but it crossed the centreline with the intended target primarily being the opponents right eye.
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@@RamseyDewey thank you for replying I get that in modern current boxing it definitely means what you're saying no argument there.
What I'm saying is years ago it could have meant something different and by years ago I mean like back in the bare knuckle error.
I'm sure you're aware how different bare knuckle boxing was to current market at Queensbury gloves on boxing.
my grandfather lost used to tell me a lot of stories about old barekel boxers even though he was born after that era ended.
Hammer fist are not allowed in boxing these days but a hammer fist at one point was referred to as a chopper earlier than that a chopper was using a downward vertical backfist with the knuckles....
So while it could be my grandfather was wrong altogether it could also be that he was taught a version of the Cross before it took on the meaning it now has.
but regardless I'm going to try to do some research and see what I can turn up again thank you for your prompt response
Brothers thanks I I appreciate your video and knowledge I like that better
Hey Ramsey, love your content :).
So, there's an interesting fact about the japanese word we associate with "blocking", uke. Like, at the beginning of the video, you show the fairly basic "blocks" of karate: soto/uchi uke, gedan barai (which is the exception), and age uke. Now, the first problem here, the first mistake we made that COMPLETELY dictates our vision of karate, and martial arts in general, is the association of "uke" with "block". In reality, uke comes from the verb "ukeru" (受ける), which means "accept, receive". So, basically, something like "age uke" doesn't quite mean "high block", but rather "accepting to receive a blow coming overhead". It's simply stating the knowledge that an attack is coming, and that we're ready to deal with it.
A thing that we also learn in karate, especially in shotokan, but I guess other styles do it too, is to "arm" the "block" by crossing your arms. So, to take the "upper block" age uke, if you block with your right arm, you'll have crossed your left arm first. Problem is, nobody is fast enough to see a punch coming, even in a consensual fight, and be able to "shoot" the non-blocking hand first, then block with the actual blocking hand. Nobody is ever that fast. But, if you listen to many karateka, it's almost like a divine superpower when you become fast enough to actually do it. Which, well... is great when you're 10 years old and MMA isn't on your radar, but if trained fighters like Amanda Nunes or Ernesto Hoost can't do it in a fight, I'm not sure Timmy, 4th dan who never had a professional full contact fight, would be able to.
But, if you think about the fact that "uke" doesn't mean "block" but "receive, accept", and has that idea of "readiness" towards an attack, then the ENTIRE technique makes much more sense, and is something that I personally find has some nice... similarities with Filipino Martial Arts: basically, just like you demonstrated with your jab parries, the ACTUAL defense part of the technique is the "arming" of the so-called "block", and the actual "block" being kind of a counter attack. In the case of uchi/soto uke (the name changes depending on the school, but it's basically the outside-inside "block"), the punch, for example, was parried by the first arm, possibly but not necessarily grabbing the hand, and the soto/uchi uke is actually either attacking the head, but also possibly the arm, not necessarily with the goal of breaking the joint, but at least hitting the muscle, among other targets. It's reminiscent, to me at least, of the "gunting" principles in kali, where you try to "destroy" the enemy's natural weapons by "destroying" them.
I think that the misinterpretation of the word "uke" in japanese techniques has lead to a general misunderstanding of the art, and martial arts in general, at least to the same level of misunderstanding of the word "Bu" in chinese, where the word was misunderstood for "stance" when it meant "step".
Cool video and good explanation.
I train in a IOGKF dojo , a Okinawan goju-ryu style karate, the application of uke(block) can be anything, it can be block, frame, joint lock, strike, and we do use gedan barai(downward block)as a way to disengage grab from opponent, and senseis from Okinawa often use kata move as grappling technique , rather is a throw or joint lock, I guess it's just because grappling is the most common and basic way of human fighting, and it's also common in a self-defense situation.
so I think Ramsey just accidentally found out what Okinawa karate really is. lol