Brandenburg... Better than Tirpitz and Odin? World of Warships Legends 4K
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Brandenburg is the newest addition to World of Warships Legends at a Tier where the Tirpitz and Odin have already established themselves as being great torpedo battleships. So, which one of the three is the better ship? Check out this in-depth review, and breakdown of each ship with gameplay footage and commander setup. 4K
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Brandenburg is based on an academic design study of the Bismarck-class armed with twelve 305 mm guns that was brought forward around the time of the 1936 London Naval Treaty. During this time, the naval high command demanded more new ships. Although that wasn't meant to be. Plan Z was just getting started around 1939 until it fell in WWII. Battleship Brandenburg's keel was never laid down. And was later used for U-Boat Designs from the second half of the 1930s.
Interesting ship!
@@DerkaGames Agreed
The Brandenburg class consisted of four pre-dreadnought
🤔olny thing I could find on it
So it was real but was nothing like that odd
@@1addy101 Your on the Kaiserliche Marine. Not Kriegsmarine
thanks for the breakdown - will be interesting to do some comparison - i currently got Odin and Tirpitz, but i prefer Odin due to its speed and manoeuvrability and the sonar makes it much better ship with its reload can catch people out as i like to play it on more aggressive side - will have to see what Brandenburg is like once i grind out the campaign 😁
They are all just barely different, and all still very fun to play!
I am grinding for the Odin right now and your comments on movement/sonar sealed it for me. Thanks! Tirpitz will be next on the list to get..
I like my big guns not that huge of a fan on small guns
Look I'll make it really easy to understand, Brandenburg is a more armored version of the Odin with slightly less mobility than Odin and that's it along with secondary range being extended because it lacks sonar. Tirpitz is still hands down the best one of those failures to get sank in, notice how I worded that. I speak from experience not that any of you millennials care because I know you don't because all of you think that you know everything. War thunder still has better ships than your little game.
Will you be doing some Italian BB reviews?
Given the RoboCop-like effect of the SAP secondaries which will literally disintegrate destroyers on contact, your perspective on this matter would be quite interesting.
Great Video as always!
Secondary video on T6 Italian BB drops tmrw, it's just a gameplay review, but fun ship no doubt!
Very good analysis. I always wanted Odin. But since I'm not a BB player I think I'll buy Scharny first
Cant go wrong with Scharnhorst!
I like my big guns not that huge of a fan on the small guns
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I love your videos man. Can you please do guides how to play the new italians bbs, looking forward to it. : >
Hey thanks! If I have time after work I'll get a video out on the T6 Italian BB, Francesco Caracciolo!
We could make an argue that Siegfried should be compared to theese ships
Yeah it could!
I wanted the Brandenburg until I played several games against them in my Iowa and GA. Nearly every engagement ended the same way. Start at range, then Brandenburg rushes in to get secondaries involved.....I let em keep coming. Let em set a few fires, now they're salivating at the opportunity to drop torps.....I let em keep coming while consistently chunking HP and turning main guns red. When they get to about the 8km mark put it in reverse and there's nothing they can do. Brandenburg bring nothing new or exciting to the German line. It should have gotten 8km torps and shorter range secondaries.
Lol yeah it can be easily countered. Best way to play them is around islands so that you can disengage. Rushing in open water is usually not the best! They will learn eventually 😄
On Brandenburg, I'm currently running a 16/2 Henry Hide with Cunningham and Von Hipper as inspirations. Going for a hybrid/secondary build has been pretty fun so far
I missed out on Hyde but that sounds like a fantastic build
@@DerkaGames yeah it’s also good because of Hide’s base skill which buffs your ship’s HP, giving Brandenburg at least a *bit* more of a chance to go through a match
@Usuario that too. I've since adjusted my build for full secondaries by applying Franz Hipper and ARP Haruna as inspirations, sitting at an 11.7km secondary range atm
Meanwhile Bismarck is over in the sad corner...
Nice overview, sir.
But he doesnt have torps! Haha i thought it was redundant to put big boy in there.
Thanks brotha, appreciate
I am so tired of Brandenburg. yeah its good but just a pain to deal with it in every match.
I’m thinking of using my Scharnhorst/Gneisenau build on Brandenburg which is Scheer 16/3 with AL Baltimore 16/2 and Guepratte 16/3. This is an agile/speed build that’s very effective for me.
I can take zero credit for this build as it was inspired by VII Hipper’s videos regarding both ships and the agile build that he demonstrated quite well.
I have Henry J. Hyde at 16/3 as well so I might use my Bismarck, Odin, Tirpitz, G.K. build which uses Hyde, von Essen and Cunningham.
Sounds low key awesome, I'll have to check it out! Thank you sir
First!
Great video, lots of good information.
For what it’s worth, I’m not sure that this kind of “direct comparison” is the best way to discuss the pros and cons of each ship. It’s certainly a valuable starting point, but I think it loses sight of how the differences between each ship can favour different play styles.
For example, I knew very early into this video that you would end up preferring the Tirpitz, because your build leaned into the strengths of the Tirpitz. That build is fine on the Brandenburg, but it certainly does not lean into the Brandenburg’s strengths. You state early in the video that you weren’t going to focus too much on the secondaries because you don’t think secondaries are that important in WoWs Legends… that’s a perfectly reasonable opinion in many cases, but I would argue that until you play with a full secondary build Brandenburg, you haven’t experienced what makes the ship special. With my Brandenburg build, any Destroyer that gets spotted within 12km just gets shredded. Cruisers too. And against enemy battleships, I’ve defeated Bismarcks, Iowas, Massachusetts, and even GKs, all of whom have far superior main guns, simply by getting inside my secondary range while staying outside of theirs and then carefully managing my angles and distance.
Now there’s plenty of room to argue that a Tirpitz with an accuracy build is still the better ship… that’s a fair debate. But at least it’s a debate that looks at the actual strengths of both ships, rather than picking a build that favours the tirpitz right out of the gate.
Like mentioned near the end of the video, I think different set ups are warranted, not only to bring a little variety into the equation, but because they are all unique in their own way. It's just not reasonable to objectively measure each ship against each other with an entirely different build (modules, commanders, inspirations, perks, it gets very messy).
I've played Brandenburg with a full secondary build, it's great and it is also great fun (vid to come, maybe). I truly enjoy it. It still does not sway my opinion on what a Tanky battleship should be able to do successfully though in the current Meta.
I will say secondary viability has improved greatly since I started playing this game at launch, and old salty players such as myself, should do well to remember that.
Thanks for the comment, Douglas! I appreciate it
i allways have good games with Odin. It s a good allrounder. After the buff is the tirpitz much better but i prefer Odin. The sonar is such a powerful weapon. Brandenburg: The dispersion looks awful on the brandenburg in comparison with tirpitz and odin.
Good point, Tirpitz wasnt always this enjoyable LOL. The buffs helped a lot
I will wait for Brandenburg to come back as a global xp ship.
hopefully she does
Everyone is different but Tirpitz is one of my favorite battleships and my most used ship right now. I run a full dispersion build and it works wonders a lot of the time. I'd pick Tirpitz everyday, but that's just my 2 cents
Same, mostly dispersion set up witha
A little brawling. Works great! Such a fun ship
@@DerkaGames tirpitz i think the best kriegsmarine battleship
TIRPITZ Was My 1st GLOBAL XP SHIP 😃. I've Used Him 1,146 Times & Counting 😃. My TIRPITZ HP Is 72,100 For Now 😃
The Brandenburg is a secondary ship tho kinda not fair
Great presentation. My first time on your channel. Subscribed👍
Glad you enjoyed!
I like them all. On Odin I’ve been running a very odd build. Lutjens with teslau and Baltimore as inspirations. He brings the rudder shift down to under 8 seconds and it’s a fun build. On Tirpitz I run Hyde.
That's interesting...agile battleships can really surprise folks! I had an agile Dunkerque dunk on me one time when I was in T-61...never expected that kind of mobility out of a BB
I think that Odin is better because of larger secondary battery and good manuverability
also, the torpedoes are placed in a better spot.
Guten Tag. Not buying out the campaign, but next month she is mine. 🙂
That's a good call lol
Good breakdown Derka. Looking forward to the Brandenburg, but also comfortable in the fact that my Odin and Tirpitz will keep me company until the end of the campaign. I think I’ll set up the Brandenburg differently too…maybe all out secondaries. That never seemed to work like I wanted on Bismarck, but Bismarck doesn’t have torps…
Lol all out seconadaries rarely works for me...but yeah, they're all so similar, different set ups would be fun. What is it about 12 KM secondaries that always sounds so fun
Should i get tirpitz or kii? Btw grate video!
Grate*
Sorry for grate but is the corrector
Personally I enjoy Tirpitz a lot more. Might just be me!
I suppose if you already had Odin or Brandenburg that could sway your opinion, as Kii is very unique, as an IJN torpedo battleship.
@@DerkaGames thanks
You must understand that Odin has the same armament that Brandenburg gets, but instead of 9 guns Branden gets 12. Branden also gets faster reload time albeit minor. Branden has the superior 2ndaries compared to Odin and a spotter for her main guns with marginally better main gun accuracy. I went full secondary build with Admiral Lutjens, and due to no hydro acoustic search or radar smoked up destroyers are problematic. I usually will tail one of our dds and use their smoke while they spot and do their things. Once the 2s open up the enemy dds are fishfood. I’ll take the Bradenburg over Odin AND Tirpitzas long as it doesn’t come down to Braden vs a dd to finish the battle lol
Your edits are amazing so too is your commentary
Hey thanks! I appreciate that
Tirpitz #1, Odin #2, Brandenburg #3. Overall performance and survivability.
Fully built into, the secodary battery is better than bismarck's by .1klm. And it has 1 extra set of 105mm on each side
Im gonna buy massa then maybe odin next. what do you think?
thx for putting alot of effort in these vids.
Odin with sonar and her maneuverability....I think it's a solid ship. Super fun
i was in same dilemma and i went for odin and i would say i don't regret it. it's fun ship once you learn to play it.
Thanks guys! I just bought the Massa and it doesn't disappoint. Odin next!
@@wherethehellruobiwanluigi9573 how is the dispersion with Sims?
I myself would prefer the Brandenburg over all else, she has insane secondaries, and I realy enjoy secondary ships.
I think Tirpitz will remain my favorite and seeing as my best friend mains the Cleveland and hipper, sonar is almost always available but I totally see why that’s a huge help
Having a div could change all of this for sure. I'm solo 85% of the time
Tirpitz is my favorite ship
As a secondary addict (I almost tried secondary build for all bb even for Champagne 😉), Brandenburg is like a dream ship with max fun factor. There is something I would like to add : the 150mm secondaries are very easy to use because they are mounted on the front and back unlike those 105mm mounted on thr side. I noticed it in Odin and it is very enjoyable. Now you are telling me those 150mm have Bismark's range. Holy shit that will be fun as hell.
Edit: no I was wrong the 150mm turrets were not mounted on the middle like odins 😅
This is the ship for you! Haha, you'll love Bburg
Definitely looking forward to taking Brandenburg into battle but im not gonna buy out this campaign, I'm missing that extra thing with Bburg. I would've rather seen schlieffen or Preussen
Def not worth buying out! Good call, she is fun tho solid BB
I Love All Of Them 😍😃. If You Want Bigger Guns Then Go For TIRPITZ. If You Want To Go For SONAR Then ODIN. That's It For Now Cause I Don't Own BRANDENBURG Yet Until Tuesday 😃. My TIRPITZ Is All Ways My Go To Ship 😃
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How about Bismarck vs. those 3?
I got all three of them and by far odin is more fun to use with my build reload of main guns is 14sec range of 17.6 it can do some damage no other bb have that kind of reload with its speed you can run and gun that's CL game play
She's a beast!
Very informative video. Thx 💪
Helping my dude with the algorithm. Don’t have time to watch the vid right now but dropping a like and comment.
You da man. Appreciate it
Good analysis of those ships. I like the Oden myself so far. Looking forward to trying out the Brandenburg soon. Thanks for the Video. 👍
Thanks! Hope you enjoy Brandenburg
Great video. Would you ever do a video like this for Anchorage Rochester and wichita they are all very similar they have so many almost identical ships in this game I love videos like this comparing them side by side and nobody really makes videos on it I think you could get some good views on them keep up the great work
Ill never say never! and thank youfor the kind words
Hmmm, all german BBs are good, if you have 1 of them, it is nice
I really enjoy them as well
Very well done
🙏
Nice video Derka. I was thinking of getting odin or Azuma, and i dont know which one should i choose.
I'd pick azuma personally, there are a million T7 German BBs
Nice breakdown.
Thank you sir
Hello Derka, where I can find these Information at 5:17 in your Video? Can you send me a Link? Thx.
Wowsft.com
Perhaps because it's the only 1 of the 3 I currently own, but Tirpitz is Topps for me.
Howard, somehow I knew you would choose Tirpitz 😄
Odin will be when I aquire the gxp!
Great video, love the German’s bb can’t wait for this ship
Thanks!
Hmmm terpitz and Brandon are played totally different. The commanders (main commanders) have a lot to do with it. Why would I use shinyhorse cap when I have the almighty hide? The torps should neve be your main use because it get knocked out way to easy so secondaries are the way to go..no one is going to push into you unless they see those knocked out..fighting at mid to close with Brandon with only going in at the last minute. If your secondaries can light fires from 11.9km away Why the hell would you initiate a brawl when you have more fire power..or I should say more shells going down range. Shinyhorse should be used on certain ships Brandon is not one of them neither is the terpitz. Odin yes and scharnhorst but not Brandon or terpitz you have hyde for that
Nah man lol I got ever German bb in game and this ship is what they all should have been.Very accurate secondaries and very hard to remove.It has more secondary range then bizzy too.Best German bb by a land slide. 820 degree turning radius is great too with a 12.3 second rudder.Removed cruisers even 32 mm cruisers.There’s no ship good against this ship not even destroyers because of its rudder.I bought her day one.I have at least 3 colors comabats a game and always sink 1 or 2 destroyers without actively firing at them.12 km secondaries melt everything
the biggest weakness of this ship is
torpedo tubes destroyed
Yeah! No Bueno
I can tell you right now there is no difference in how there turrets get knocked out the 3 gun turrets are wider while the 2 are a but taller. They all get knocked easily though have done it and had it done
Too bad she doesn´t get sonar like Bismark and Odin...
The sonar is so good...it hurts to not have it!
@@DerkaGames all they needed to do was to put Odin's turrets and torpedo position on the Bismark, and it would be perfect.
Odin is my baby. Ive got so many brawls in her.
Its such a great ship
Indeed she is, I run AL Scharnhorst on her. I don’t know if Henry J. Hide would be a beneficial option though.
Odin's problem is it has standard range on secondaries instead of German
Tirpitz is my favorite...since it's the only one I have! 🤣😜
I bought the Admiralty Backing, for the extra insignias and commendations, but undecided if I'll devote the time to grinding out the campaign...will likely wait for a more unique ship
Haha nice. I guess Odin for GXP wouldnt be a bad choice at all!
Its hard to say because Clara N.Teslau would be good commander option since her base trait increase turret traverse and ruddershift plus her special skill called "Boom stick" gives torpedo reload of 15% and 10% Main battery reload but con side shell grouping of 10%
Personally, I couldn't stomach boomsticks with the accuracy nerf
@@DerkaGames with you be brawling ...it might not so bad but il do some experimenting
The only this I don't like about Brandenburg is that the main battery reload is so long
Mine is 19 seconds lol