I just bought the Worksaver mini grapple 48 inch model for my L2501 Kubota ( 25 hp) tractor. It is going to really come in handy around here on this farm.
Brother, you are a true resource to a fellow TN boy! I just bought a T25 Sunday , mainly because of your videos. I grew up running Massey Ferguson 135s, all the way up to big International 1066 and 1086s....but I've never owned a tractor with a warranty OR a phone charger😂 I really appreciate your in-depth explanations and reviews. I'm looking forward to getting a grapple and putting this little feller to work around the property.
Lot of good info. Weight is a big factor as you pointed out. You hate to burn up all your lifting capacity with just the implement. I have only used the clamshell type grapple and like the ability to dig up roots. One never knows how handy a grapple is until you actually have one.
I watched a video buy Everything Attachments one time and the guy made the comment that weight is as important as horsepower in a tractor. He was talking about plows at the time, but I think that applies to just about every implement you could put on a tractor. You can have as much horsepower as possible, but if you can't get traction, it's worthless, weight will add traction in most cases ( good tires help too of course). Ballast is crucial when using a loader, grapple, or whatever you have on the front.
@@TonysTractorAdventure I was thinking more about using the loader and any ground contact implements like plows, harrows, etc. For lawn mowing, I don't see why anybody needs extra weight at all unless you're on side hills. Then maybe you should rethink what kind of mowing machine you should be using, if you should hire it out, or if it should be mowed at all if it's that steep.
I bought a bolt on “add-a-grapple” I can mount it to my standard bucket, the rock bucket, and onto my my fork lift forks. I thought about buying a dedicated grapple, and after I thought about it, I decided that having a rake style grapple wasn’t worth the extra cost. it would be handier, but One of my prime uses for the tractor is digging the rocks out of the dirt to try and get soil. The combination of the rock bucket, with the added grapple is the perfect tool for that. As, it allows me to screen to 2.5-inch minus, and close the grapple to keep the larger rocks on the bucket.
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I am convinced the grapple you have is absolutely the best one you could use for that tractor! Do you weigh every log you pick up? I don’t, either I can pick it up or I can’t!
Yeah, grapples are the rage on YT. But unless you spend a LOT of time condensing and moving brush, a set of pallet forks beats the heck out of a grapple with a lot less cost. Moving that log on the opening scene ? Forks do it just as well. And even with brush, forks will do nearly as well as a grapple....you might drop the occasional piece, or have to get out of the seat once in a while to pick up a piece, but it doesn't take long to figure out as you cut brush, you pile it all running in one direction so the forks can easily slide under the pile and away you go. Plus forks can move lumber/slabs (if you have a sawmill), pallets with almost anything you can get ON a pallet, round hay bales, pick up the lawnmover to change oil, take the garbage cart down to the county road for pickup, probably a dozen other things a grapple can't do......so buy a set of forks first, and see if you really need a grapple later. I've gotten by just fine for decades without one, and still see no need for it.
I understand your point of view and I recommend forks to anyone who can't afford a grapple. Having said that, having a grapple is a must for moving logs on to a mill and much better at clearing brush. Rolling a log onto the mill off of forks is less precise. You can do it, but soon or later one will roll off hard and knock the mill out of level. I use the grapple for everything. I needed to load a plow and just picked up without a chain. Still, for people starting out, I recommend forks. Once a person has a grapple, they will never be without one again.
Great info Tony. You explained things well. I'm kinda in the market for a grapple in the near future and after seeing your video I'll probably go with the more narrow and lighter made one. Thanks buddy
I am glad it helps. I am finding more and more things to use the grapple for. I pinched a post yesterday with the grapple and pulled post right out of the ground. I thought to myself, "how cool!"
I just purchased a Grapple for my Kioti CK2610. 60” Wolverine Root grapple. I live in the mountains and rocks are a big concern, So the teeth on the bottom tines can be replaced on this model. The grapple weighs around 600 pounds, and the lifting capacity of my tractor is 1850 pounds. The only thing I don’t like about the grapple is it uses grade 8 bolts to hinge on. I’m wanting to put a ‘greaseable” bearing so it operates much smoother. I would like to see how other grapples hing to get some ideas, but NO ONE has made a video on this aspect of the grapples. Operation is important , but so is construction.
I like grease fittings on my pins. I feel like your grapple is way to overbuilt for your tractor. Two years ago, I bought a Mini Rack Grapple from Precision Manufacturing. It has due clams with twin cylinders. It weighs only 260 pounds, but was engineered for up to 40 hp.
An inexpensive, solution might be to ream out the existing holes and add some bronze bushings. Then replace them periodically. You could go over board and add the hollow bolt with the Zerks fitting in the end and drill it to feed grease to the bushings. Not sure where you can buy the bolts, short of having some machined. You might be able to add the bushings, and go to grease able pins like you find on the pivots of the Front End Loader. You probably won’t find grease-able pin joints on most of the aftermarket implements because for 90% plus of he users, it will never be an issue. But adding them would add high cost components, and manufacturing steps requiring humans, and drive the cost up significantly. All the implements I have looked at can be cut on CNC water jet, or plasma torch set ups, and most of the welding could be done with CNC welders. Both of which keep the cost down. I have an electro hydraulic snow plow, which came with grade 5 bolts as the rotating points. I replaced them with grade 8s, after the first winter when I inspected things at the end of the season. But after six years the steel holes are wallowing out. So, I’ll be reaming out the holes and adding the sacrificial bronze bushings this spring when I pull the plow off my tiny truck.
Most grapples are damaged through misuse, because people think they're indestructible. I have a 55" EA grapple which is technically only "rated" up to 40hp. While i do feel it's under-rated, I have it on a 52HP LS and have never had an issue or come close to damaging it. It's lifted plenty of 16ft+ logs and large boulders without breaking a sweat. Don't treat it like a backhoe and you'll be fine.
Thanks for the video! From you experience it seems to me that both the work saver as well as the precision manufacturer grapples are outstanding products. If you have to decide for one for your T25 which would that be? T I ordered my T25 last week.
Very good video. I would suggest Homestead Implements and Everything Attachments for light weight grapples. Both made in USA and made lightweight to maximize lifting ability. But as you said in the video one needs to know that lightweight grapples can be damaged easier if one works them too hard. If you want to lift more weight with a smaller tractor however that is the way to go.
Nice explanation of the 2 different types. I'm sure if you really wanted the lighter one, you wouldn't have any trouble selling that one. Have a good day my friend.
The T264 handles it pretty well, so I will stay with it most likely . Also as I demo tractors with the third function valve, I can handle tractors up top 50HP with this one.
Tony, in your view does a double clamp grapple have better use compared to a single clamp? I'm leaning more towards a double clamp clamshell style for my future subcompact tractor.
Absolutely. First off, I had no mechanical failures on this grapple, but I did sell it. I ended up going with a Precision Manufacturing Mini Rake Grapple. It has duel clamps and weighs only 260 pounds. It does better on everything. I hope this helps.ruclips.net/video/ZvYAfO6mz8M/видео.html
Glad it was helpful! I ended up finding a double clamp grapple by Precision Manufacturing which is only 260 pounds and is rated for both of my tractors.
To be clear, if you know your "working weight" is 900 lbs (or whatever the case may be), you do NOT have any sort of "little fudge margin", because in the vast majority of scenarios, you have no idea how much weight you are actually trying to lift. It's just a log, or a rock, or some big piece of junk, or whatever. Nobody weighs the tree trunk on the forest floor before picking it up to bring it back for firewood. Are you less than, close to, or more than 900 lbs? Who knows?!? The truth is, you just get a gut feeling after much trial and error. You attempt a lift, it either does fine or it groans and says "please DON'T", and you hopefully learn from that experience and hope to make better guesses each successive time.
Green log weight charts are readily available man. Weight in diameter per foot is how we measure wood in the forest floor. If I have 2200lbs lift capacity and my grapple weighs 350lbs, I have 1850lbs. 1850 pounds of red oak is around 11’ at 22” diameter or 5’ of 32” diameter. For loblolly pine that’s around 11’ of 24” diameter. When it comes to wood… we know exactly how heavy our rigging or equipment is lifting…. Or dropping. 🤙🏼
@@two5seven14 okay, I'll concede that there are a small subset of people such as yourself that are highly experienced, have memorized charts like that, and can rattle off numbers like that. But I would wager that the majority of people who are using subcompact equipment to manage their own private wood lots are probably just guessing as best they can most of the time.
The land pride root grapple is a terrible choice for compact utility tractors. Not because it is a bad grapple, but because it is too heavy. The lightest one weighs over 900 pounds. This grapple will use a big percentage of most tractor's lift capacity. The smallest one should be mated to a 80hp tractor or better yet a skid steer. There are many smaller better suited grapples made for the smaller tractor market. Land Plane makes several better suited grapples for the compact market.
@@TonysTractorAdventure hate to disagree but you are wrong about the weight of a Land pride root grapple I can move it around by hand all day long I don't think it was 200 lb
observation: Why is it there are countless videos for a grapple hook for tiny non-green tractors? Hell, just pick up the twigs by hand and stick the twigs in a garbage can.
You will not be disappointed. It will last you the rest of your life. The cylinders are easy to buy and replace if it ever does go bad. It is a lifetime purchase and I love using. So fun.
Bless your heart. 14 thousand people have watch this and figured out I was talking about needing rear weight with a grapple. In my comments, I also included the rear implement in with the loaded tires. This most definitely changes the pivot point. Have a great weekend. By the way, you are absolutely correct. Loaded tires by themselves helps with functionality, but takes no load off the front axle.
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I just bought the Worksaver mini grapple 48 inch model for my L2501 Kubota ( 25 hp) tractor.
It is going to really come in handy around here on this farm.
Brother, you are a true resource to a fellow TN boy! I just bought a T25 Sunday , mainly because of your videos. I grew up running Massey Ferguson 135s, all the way up to big International 1066 and 1086s....but I've never owned a tractor with a warranty OR a phone charger😂 I really appreciate your in-depth explanations and reviews. I'm looking forward to getting a grapple and putting this little feller to work around the property.
It is my pleasure. I have truly enjoyed my T25. It is a work house.
Lot of good info. Weight is a big factor as you pointed out. You hate to burn up all your lifting capacity with just the implement. I have only used the clamshell type grapple and like the ability to dig up roots. One never knows how handy a grapple is until you actually have one.
Amen to that. I keep my grapple on my tractor a lot! Love it
I watched a video buy Everything Attachments one time and the guy made the comment that weight is as important as horsepower in a tractor. He was talking about plows at the time, but I think that applies to just about every implement you could put on a tractor. You can have as much horsepower as possible, but if you can't get traction, it's worthless, weight will add traction in most cases ( good tires help too of course). Ballast is crucial when using a loader, grapple, or whatever you have on the front.
Weight is an essential factor depending on the job at hand. The tractor will damage the yard mowing if the tractor is too heavy.
@@TonysTractorAdventure I was thinking more about using the loader and any ground contact implements like plows, harrows, etc. For lawn mowing, I don't see why anybody needs extra weight at all unless you're on side hills. Then maybe you should rethink what kind of mowing machine you should be using, if you should hire it out, or if it should be mowed at all if it's that steep.
I bought a bolt on “add-a-grapple” I can mount it to my standard bucket, the rock bucket, and onto my my fork lift forks. I thought about buying a dedicated grapple, and after I thought about it, I decided that having a rake style grapple wasn’t worth the extra cost. it would be handier, but One of my prime uses for the tractor is digging the rocks out of the dirt to try and get soil. The combination of the rock bucket, with the added grapple is the perfect tool for that. As, it allows me to screen to 2.5-inch minus, and close the grapple to keep the larger rocks on the bucket.
It sounds like you have a good solution. For me, a grapple rake is a must. Clearing roots, brush, and trees happen often. I appreciate you watching.
Well done video love how you don't give a minute plus into about stuff I don't care about thank you
Two types of watchers. Viewers and followers. I find information videos draw viewers just wanting the base information. In other videos we share our life and struggles. Those watchers are followers.
I am convinced the grapple you have is absolutely the best one you could use for that tractor!
Do you weigh every log you pick up? I don’t, either I can pick it up or I can’t!
I have lifted so many logs now, I have a ballpark idea for their weight. I think this grapple is about perfectly matched.
Great content Tony! My TYM 474 cab is being delivered tomorrow morning. Your videos were a great resource that helped shape my decision.
Thanks
Thank you. I really love the T474. I is is one workhorse.
Yeah, grapples are the rage on YT. But unless you spend a LOT of time condensing and moving brush, a set of pallet forks beats the heck out of a grapple with a lot less cost. Moving that log on the opening scene ? Forks do it just as well. And even with brush, forks will do nearly as well as a grapple....you might drop the occasional piece, or have to get out of the seat once in a while to pick up a piece, but it doesn't take long to figure out as you cut brush, you pile it all running in one direction so the forks can easily slide under the pile and away you go.
Plus forks can move lumber/slabs (if you have a sawmill), pallets with almost anything you can get ON a pallet, round hay bales, pick up the lawnmover to change oil, take the garbage cart down to the county road for pickup, probably a dozen other things a grapple can't do......so buy a set of forks first, and see if you really need a grapple later. I've gotten by just fine for decades without one, and still see no need for it.
I understand your point of view and I recommend forks to anyone who can't afford a grapple. Having said that, having a grapple is a must for moving logs on to a mill and much better at clearing brush. Rolling a log onto the mill off of forks is less precise. You can do it, but soon or later one will roll off hard and knock the mill out of level. I use the grapple for everything. I needed to load a plow and just picked up without a chain.
Still, for people starting out, I recommend forks. Once a person has a grapple, they will never be without one again.
@@TonysTractorAdventure very well said
Thinking about building one... watched a lot of videos and ended up back at your channel again. Great points, wise advice.
Thank you. I can show you everything to do wrong. LOL! I appreciate you, my friend. Thank you for the support
you have rated a comment Mr. Tony! Great job explaining so many points about the grapple and the sub-compact tractor.
Thank you. A grapple is such a useful tool, but can be a production killer if the wrong grapple is not sized correctly.
Great info Tony. You explained things well. I'm kinda in the market for a grapple in the near future and after seeing your video I'll probably go with the more narrow and lighter made one. Thanks buddy
I am glad it helps. I am finding more and more things to use the grapple for. I pinched a post yesterday with the grapple and pulled post right out of the ground. I thought to myself, "how cool!"
Great video, I learned what I needed to about the difference between the two.
I just purchased a Grapple for my Kioti CK2610. 60” Wolverine Root grapple. I live in the mountains and rocks are a big concern, So the teeth on the bottom tines can be replaced on this model. The grapple weighs around 600 pounds, and the lifting capacity of my tractor is 1850 pounds. The only thing I don’t like about the grapple is it uses grade 8 bolts to hinge on. I’m wanting to put a ‘greaseable” bearing so it operates much smoother. I would like to see how other grapples hing to get some ideas, but NO ONE has made a video on this aspect of the grapples. Operation is important , but so is construction.
I like grease fittings on my pins. I feel like your grapple is way to overbuilt for your tractor. Two years ago, I bought a Mini Rack Grapple from Precision Manufacturing. It has due clams with twin cylinders. It weighs only 260 pounds, but was engineered for up to 40 hp.
An inexpensive, solution might be to ream out the existing holes and add some bronze bushings. Then replace them periodically. You could go over board and add the hollow bolt with the Zerks fitting in the end and drill it to feed grease to the bushings. Not sure where you can buy the bolts, short of having some machined. You might be able to add the bushings, and go to grease able pins like you find on the pivots of the Front End Loader.
You probably won’t find grease-able pin joints on most of the aftermarket implements because for 90% plus of he users, it will never be an issue. But adding them would add high cost components, and manufacturing steps requiring humans, and drive the cost up significantly. All the implements I have looked at can be cut on CNC water jet, or plasma torch set ups, and most of the welding could be done with CNC welders. Both of which keep the cost down.
I have an electro hydraulic snow plow, which came with grade 5 bolts as the rotating points. I replaced them with grade 8s, after the first winter when I inspected things at the end of the season. But after six years the steel holes are wallowing out. So, I’ll be reaming out the holes and adding the sacrificial bronze bushings this spring when I pull the plow off my tiny truck.
Most grapples are damaged through misuse, because people think they're indestructible. I have a 55" EA grapple which is technically only "rated" up to 40hp. While i do feel it's under-rated, I have it on a 52HP LS and have never had an issue or come close to damaging it. It's lifted plenty of 16ft+ logs and large boulders without breaking a sweat. Don't treat it like a backhoe and you'll be fine.
I agree with everything you say.
Thanks for the video! From you experience it seems to me that both the work saver as well as the precision manufacturer grapples are outstanding products. If you have to decide for one for your T25 which would that be? T
I ordered my T25 last week.
The precision 322
Very good video. I would suggest Homestead Implements and Everything Attachments for light weight grapples. Both made in USA and made lightweight to maximize lifting ability. But as you said in the video one needs to know that lightweight grapples can be damaged easier if one works them too hard. If you want to lift more weight with a smaller tractor however that is the way to go.
I have recently went with Precision Manufacturing for my grapples. Great American company and a well engineered 260 double action grapple. Mini 322
A lot of good points you made Tony! A lot to think about when getting a grapple! Have a good week my friend!
Thank you. Lessons bought.
Thanks for the info and I like the chain saw holder on the tractor.
The SawHaul is awesome. Best thing around for chainsaws.
Nice explanation of the 2 different types. I'm sure if you really wanted the lighter one, you wouldn't have any trouble selling that one. Have a good day my friend.
The T264 handles it pretty well, so I will stay with it most likely . Also as I demo tractors with the third function valve, I can handle tractors up top 50HP with this one.
Good content without a lot of wasted time... thanks!
I am learning, that I am not as interesting as I thought. LOL! I am making a real effort to talk less and show more.
Thanks for the info!👍 I'm thinking about getting one soon
I didn't know how useful it was until I started using one. I pinched a wood fence post yesterday and pulled it strait out of the ground.
Thanks,very informative . Have good week!
I appreciate that. You have a great week too. Tony
Very useful information Tony.👍
Thank you. Learned at the school of hard knocks.😁
Great video. I really like the saw holder. Did you do a video on the saw holder and install?
Jeremy, I did. ruclips.net/video/Mj5boAbmHeU/видео.html
I think you have a good program
I appreciate that. There are so many people who are mean. You are breath of fresh air. Tony
Tony, in your view does a double clamp grapple have better use compared to a single clamp? I'm leaning more towards a double clamp clamshell style for my future subcompact tractor.
Absolutely. First off, I had no mechanical failures on this grapple, but I did sell it. I ended up going with a Precision Manufacturing Mini Rake Grapple. It has duel clamps and weighs only 260 pounds. It does better on everything. I hope this helps.ruclips.net/video/ZvYAfO6mz8M/видео.html
Certainly does Tony. I've seen Tim of TTWT use various double grapples on his three smaller tractors.
It is all about weight. Make sure the grapple is matched. I appreciate your comments.
Good day Sir 😊 Great informative video Sir 👍 Have a blessed Sunday Sir Cheers !!!
Hey my friend. Thank you. There are so many types and so many brands, I knew someone else was going through what I went through. Tony
👍😊@@TonysTractorAdventure
Great video very informative
Glad it was helpful! I ended up finding a double clamp grapple by Precision Manufacturing which is only 260 pounds and is rated for both of my tractors.
Don't tell Hank
I really did enjoy that will it start video on bull dozer
I will not tell him. LOL
Great grapple overview! 👍
Great information! Thanks!!!
Thank you
Was that a bobcat that walked behind you in the video?
That was my big cat.
Excellent information!
Thank you my friend
Great info Tony!
Thank you my friend. So much information and brands to go through. Thank you for watching. Tony
Nice ha tell would a mini-clip work on it, its 600 pounds??
I would not use a 600 pound grapple with the T264.
@@TonysTractorAdventure ok Thanks/ but it's a mini-clip for trees
To be clear, if you know your "working weight" is 900 lbs (or whatever the case may be), you do NOT have any sort of "little fudge margin", because in the vast majority of scenarios, you have no idea how much weight you are actually trying to lift. It's just a log, or a rock, or some big piece of junk, or whatever. Nobody weighs the tree trunk on the forest floor before picking it up to bring it back for firewood. Are you less than, close to, or more than 900 lbs? Who knows?!? The truth is, you just get a gut feeling after much trial and error. You attempt a lift, it either does fine or it groans and says "please DON'T", and you hopefully learn from that experience and hope to make better guesses each successive time.
Green log weight charts are readily available man. Weight in diameter per foot is how we measure wood in the forest floor. If I have 2200lbs lift capacity and my grapple weighs 350lbs, I have 1850lbs.
1850 pounds of red oak is around 11’ at 22” diameter or 5’ of 32” diameter. For loblolly pine that’s around 11’ of 24” diameter.
When it comes to wood… we know exactly how heavy our rigging or equipment is lifting…. Or dropping. 🤙🏼
@@two5seven14 okay, I'll concede that there are a small subset of people such as yourself that are highly experienced, have memorized charts like that, and can rattle off numbers like that. But I would wager that the majority of people who are using subcompact equipment to manage their own private wood lots are probably just guessing as best they can most of the time.
Good video
Glad you enjoyed
Hi I was looking at ur other, video and u said it was 200 pounds, just saying great info
Yep, I believe I did get it wrong in another video. I went back and removed it. Thank you for watching.
My problem how do you know how much does that log weight.
Log weight calculator online
I have decided to subscribe
I appreciate it. Tony
Did Hank ever find a wasp
I am sure he will find one in the future. Tony
Land pride root grapple hands down
The land pride root grapple is a terrible choice for compact utility tractors. Not because it is a bad grapple, but because it is too heavy. The lightest one weighs over 900 pounds. This grapple will use a big percentage of most tractor's lift capacity. The smallest one should be mated to a 80hp tractor or better yet a skid steer. There are many smaller better suited grapples made for the smaller tractor market. Land Plane makes several better suited grapples for the compact market.
@@TonysTractorAdventure hate to disagree but you are wrong about the weight of a Land pride root grapple I can move it around by hand all day long I don't think it was 200 lb
observation: Why is it there are countless videos for a grapple hook for tiny non-green tractors? Hell, just pick up the twigs by hand and stick the twigs in a garbage can.
What about the tiny green tractors? Feel free to pick up sticks.
4:45 There's a Bobcat or a Coyote in the background
That is my cat.
Should be called back saver instead of work saver LOL
I ended up getting a double-action clamp-style grapple by Precision Manufacturing. It weighs less than this one, but clamps loads better.
I'm really looking at getting the worksaver grapple like this but their electric version for my kioti ck2610.
You will not be disappointed. It will last you the rest of your life. The cylinders are easy to buy and replace if it ever does go bad. It is a lifetime purchase and I love using. So fun.
Loading the rear tires is not going to change the pivot point.
Bless your heart. 14 thousand people have watch this and figured out I was talking about needing rear weight with a grapple. In my comments, I also included the rear implement in with the loaded tires. This most definitely changes the pivot point. Have a great weekend. By the way, you are absolutely correct. Loaded tires by themselves helps with functionality, but takes no load off the front axle.
@@TonysTractorAdventure People don't seem to understand simple geometry.
I believe you mean physics! 😁
@@TonysTractorAdventure No
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noun: physics
the branch of science concerned with the nature and properties of matter and energy. The subject matter of physics, distinguished from that of chemistry and biology, includes mechanics, heat, light and other radiation, sound, electricity, magnetism, and the structure of atoms.