I think the providence is one of the best capital ships in star wars. It has very good long-range firepower with all of its missiles, a decent amount of shorter range anti capital weapons, an exceedingly powerful complement of fighters (those tri-fighters are lethal and compact, a perfect ship for a capital ship to carry into battle), and balanced point defense weapons. It has no large weaknesses, while having many strengths. Also, I think you underestimate the effectiveness of the torpedoes somewhat. I think the amount of torpedoes grants the ship sufficient firepower to compete with the imperial 2, personally, given how powerful we've seen missiles to be when they are used. Plus, they may also be effective against fighter craft with their homing ability that I assume they have.
If you scale it up, that happens in all three dimensions, instead of just the length. So it's very likely that you're underestimating the number of guns and fighters it has. For reference: A cube with double the diameter quadruples its surface and has eight times the volume. Surface is probably the deciding factor for gun emplacements and volume is likely to play a role in how many fighters it can carry in a hangar - though vultures might not use a hangar.
with this being the case it probably has double the firepower stated in the video, not only that the proton torpedo was devastating since I was designed to partially or completely negate the shields of a target hence why the x-wings used them against the shielded exhaust port on the death star. leaving the providence with 56 quad turbo lasers(28 each side most likely) 400 proton tubes (capable of negating some of the SD shields) 8 heavy ion cannons -for use against capital ships shields and subsystems 48 ion cannons and 132 dual laser cannons for point defence 480 trifighters 480 vulture droids VS the imperial 2 with 8 octuple heavy turbolasers 50 heavy turbolasers 50 turbolaser batteries 20 heavy ion cannons 70 ties
The real deciding factor is actually power generation. If there's not enough power, the turbolasers will simply malfunction. The standard providence had only ~1x10^24 W peak reactor output, while a standard ISD-II had >9.5x10^24 W peak reactor output.
the reactor on the Invisible Hand was quoted to annihilate 12,000 tons of fuel at peak power. but the Invisible hand was a custom ship in that the hanger was much larger. that space was normally used to accommodate the reactors. I propose the Invisible Hand used proton torpedoes and point-defense ion/mass driver cannons (ep 3 visual dictionary) because the reactor was smaller due to being placed in the nose. a standard ship with the reactor in the proper spot would have more reactor output and more of a dedicated turbolaser weaponry
I would argue that if a single kamikaze A-wing could knock out a SSD, then a few dozen Vulture droids could easily do the same to the bridge of an ImpStar Deuce. I mean, not like they have pilots, why not ram? Yeesh, I posted this 4 years ago? Dang. Anyway, point of order: I am, and was, aware the shields were down. But an ImpStar Deuce is not an SSD. A squadron of X-wings shooting proton torpedos can kill the shields on an ISD, a squadron or 3 of Vulture droids can take it down and have a few leftover to trash the bridge. I mean, holy crap, how do 72 TIE fighters stop and 0 point defence even begin to stop over 300 fighters?
The issue was that the SSD's shields were already down, and they didn't have point defense to deal with the A-Wing. If the SD's shields are up, then just like in Rogue One, the Star Destroyer is just gonna tank the rams and brush it off like nothing.
spencer settle The SSD shields we're already down after an organized attack by admiral Ackbar with several Moncalamari ships and smaller frigates and Corvettes along with star fighters and also bombers
The issue still stands; if a ship can be disabled by ramming its bridge, then that is a catastrophic, even criminal level of negligence on the part of the designer. Even modern fighting boats don't fight from their bridge. They fight from the CIC, which is buried so deep in the hull that you have to dismantle the ship just to get to it.
Bro in that battle the ships have been firing at their shield generators for about a day. After a day the shields were finally destroyed. It’s not as easy as you think.
I’m pretty sure the Providence Dreadnaught had double the weapons of the Providence cruiser, and it had stronger shields. Along with the amount of droid star fighters I would say Providence wins.
Honestly, I love this match up, but I feel like you may be underestimating the use of the torpedoes. While most ships in Star Wars don't use them, I feel that this is because they are fairly bulky and would not be able to rival a turbolaser battery in prolonged engagements. From I was able to gather, the Rebels liked to use them on star fighters as anti capital vessel weapons. In real life, aircraft mounted torpedoes are much smaller than ship based ones, which do a huge amount of damage, with some models being able to snap destroyers in half, so I don't see why it would be any different in Star Wars. They have shown that they can track targets and have a very long range, the latter also being akin to certain real life models. Assuming the larger Providence has double the torpedo tubes as the smaller one, that would be 204. If it could launch all of it's torpedoes before the Star Destroyer is in range, then the ISD would be in pretty deep trouble. I also assume this is why we don't see them in Revenge of the Sith, as they all would have been fired off before the opening scene. This leads me to believe that the Providence itself would never have to engage with the Imperial II, as it would be softened up, if not destroyed by the early barrage of torpedoes, and finished off (if needed) by the droid star fighters, which could also be used to ram the ISD's bridge.
There are seige ships that had just hundreds if not thousands of proton torps as primary armament, for crushing hard targets like planetary shields (granted, they worked by analysing and targeting weak points in a shield). So it stands to reason that mass launches are quite devastating. And 200+ launchers, means a pretty big launch. Also, fighter based torps probs have shorter ranges than capital ship based torps. If the providence class can carry out massed launches, and have them strike concentrated points in sync, they should be quite effective. But if torp range is indeed in turbolaser range, thats still a slug fest, and hull durability wise, the isd-ii would probably win that. Wildcard, punch holes through shields and outer hull with torps, send the buzz droids through those holes deep into the hull like done in "x-wing: wraith squadron". Two star fighters entered a hole in an ISD's hull and just started coring out fuel cells. Both those pilots died, but no one would miss a bunch of buzz droids.
So just my 2 cents. Considering how slow the torpedoes seem to move (much slower then a turbo laser bolt) if you fire from too far out of range ships can track them and get a good shot off from long range with laser fire they dont dodge like a fighter would so they are easier to shot down. Thats probably why you only see this with bombardment ships against plants and stationary targets because you can saturate its defense fire and get a few hits in. Against a moving target its not work the waist in ammo. But if you get into turbo laser range weaken shielding then hit those spots with a barrage of missile that would do a lot of damage. Any thoughts guys.
As far as I could tell, you forgot one of the providence's main weapons. This was the mass driver cannons. These were some of the main weaponry on a ship designed for broadsiding, which would technically halve the ISD's main armament able to fire.
When the buzzdroids ended up ripping the Imperial 2 Star Destroyer's Bridge open... Its not clones flying out into space this time by droids, Its Imperial personnel flying into open space by droids...
You forgot about the 100 hyena bombers the providence (dreadnought variant) carries, which carry proton bombs, proton torpedos, and concussion missiles. So I think it would not as close of a match up, with the providence winning maybe 6-7 times out of ten. But everything else was spot on! Great video
When you double the dimensions of something, if I remember right, you increase it's volume 8 times. So, in theory, doubling the Providence-class size would mean it could carry 8 times as many weapons, fighters, etc. not double.
@@derrickmeade4891 the surface area would be more than just double, if it was only a doubling of the length then it would be the case, but the increase to height and width will result in a surface area around 4x that of its smaller cousin, with the volume being 8x in turn, allowing for much larger hangars and internal systems (reactors, shield systems, etc.) resulting a very significant jump in likely performance. TL:DR actual results are between the stated numbers made by you and 177SCmaro.
@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 if that were the case its proportions would be visually very different, with the larger ship looking very elongated compared to the normal providence.
Providence had around 110 guns,while ISD2 had around 130,and they were heavier,which is quite comparable. In battle of christophsis,Dreadnaught could bring out most of its firepower while facing forward,so I guess it had most of its guns in the trench around its "beack". Vic1 could take down the shields of mc80 liberty in a single missile volley,so I guess torpedoes would be quite deadly in a capital ship battle. And "Invincible" also had at least 2 squadrons of Hyena bombers carried under its hull,which would be quite effective against a battleship like ISD,even might take out some of its octuple turrets,giving the Dreadnaught a serious firepower advantage. And the point defence ion cannons are still ion cannons,and they have to be quite effective against ISD. I think that you are gravely underestimating the fighting capability of a Providence dreadnaught. IMHO,it would win like 8.5/10. The only concern I might have is sensor equipment or power generation. So I guess if Berch Teller had a full "Invincible" instead parts of it,there would have been no Tarkin in Star Wars,and maybe even no Death Star at all.
chris pearson Weapon placement on the star destroyer has always bothered me. In TESB and Rouge one we can see that upper and lower parts of the ship's nose are littered with turbolaser turrets,which I suppose are the 50 turbolaser turrets/batteries mentioned in the weapons roster. In "tie fighter" we see that its superstructure between the main hull and command tower has forward-facing "slots" that you have mentioned,which ,I assume, are 50 heavy turbolaser batteries("slots" in the superstructure can be facing both forward and at flanks,and these weapons are described facing in multiple directions). In New Hope these were filled by the turbolasers,so I guess those are main,or at least secondary, guns too. Plus 8 octuple turrets. But there have to be some aa-level guns in the trench(in TESB some of the shots originating from the trench are used to shoot fast-moving rocks,and in "Zero Hour" of the rebels some shots from the trench are used to shoot damaged ywings that are going to ram the isd). Either those are some kind of weapon batteries listed in the roster and turrets on the front are considered secondary and are not mentioned in the roster ,or there are some unlisted secondary guns. So I'm really not sure how to treat its real firepower. I assumed that octuple turrets are either easy prey for hyena bombers and will be quickly taken out or they will be counterbalanced by dreadnaught's missile launchers.
Василий Данилов The Dagger shape that is used is so that all the gun batteries are facing forward. They were designed that way because they are assault ships, they have more advanced firepower to aid this. Providence class had guns littered around the vessel to have a full 360° firing field. And the stock version was the not as deadly as an upgraded version. The Providence would need to turn and have a broadside to effectively target the ISD-II, giving it an easier taget to hit, but also making it an easier target. The only advantage the Providence would have would be in its fighter/bomber numbers. But add in the Tie Incercepter and possible Tie Defenders the Providence would be beaten. But in saying that I do love the Providence, but I love the ISD-II more.
1. Modified Cr-90 "Farstar" vs. Arquitens-class 2. Mandalorian Kandosii-Class Dreadnought vs. Harrower-class 3. Hamerhead-corvette (Rogue one) vs. Crusader-class corvette 4. Victory II-class vs. Assault Frigatte Mark 2 5.Gozanti-class vs. Hammerhead corvette (pre Rogue one) 6. AT-UT vs. AT-AT 7. AT-AT vs. T4B heavy tank 8. Recusant-class light cruiser vs. Vindicator-class heavy cruiser 9. Marauder-class corvette vs. Broadside-class cruiser And finally : 10. Kedalbe-class Battleship vs. Venator-class Star Destroyer
A Keldabe-class Battleship would literally steamroll a Venator. It's a dedicated battleship with a viable array of point-defense cannons and is fairly maneuverable.
Acclamator class assault ship vs nebulon b frigate or 5 Acclamator class assault ship's vs 1 venator class star destroyer or nebulon b frigate vs munificent class frigate
fleetus odin for god I am pretty sure that the nebulon would lose to the munificent because wasn't the nebulon a pretty weak ship? I have not done any research on the ship but just from what i have seen it seems like the nebulon would be outmatched by the firepower that the munificent has. It also depends on the fighters because of the nebulon has X wings then vulture droids don't stand much of a chance and then nebulon would win but I'm not sure.
I would argue that the Providence has more like 6x the firepower of the 1km version, because of the square-cubed law. You scale up all dimensions by 2 and instead of double the weight you get 8x the weight. 8x does seem like a bit much for even a ship of that size, so I’d say more like 6x or so
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When you deducted the amount of guns from the larger Providence-Class Dreadnought, you only doubled the amount of guns from the smaller version, even though it should have 8 times the mass and 4 times the surface. I think it would be more likely for the L-Providence to have 8 times as many guns as the S-Providence.
Imagine if the providence took a design idea from the munificent frigate, and add one or two very large/powerful cannons mounted at the front of the providence.
Well, i´m still on the side of the ISD, but i can see, why you gave this one to the Providence. I just wanted to mention: You might underrestimate the speed of the ISD. Its not slow at all. The Providence is faster, but as long as these 2 arent comming out of Hyperspace in an gigantic distance to each other, there are 3 scenarios: -The Providence is shooting a broadside to maximise its firepower and becomes a huge target for the ISD. -It shoots face forward to the ISD and gets a pretty small target, but putting its bridge right in front of the enemy in the ine of fire and also weakens its firepower. Both of these scenarios would probalby end in a victory for the ISD. -The Providence would try to fly away as predicted. But come on, even the ISD is not that slow and unprecise to be unable to hit its engines at that point. The providence even needs time to turn itself. It must have been a huge distance between these ships to make this happen. Yes, the third one is realistic, but to be honest, i would have given this one to the ISD 5,5/10 just because the last one is the only realistic scenario for the Providence to win. I dont see, that the Starfighters can make a difference to this battle in time, before the Providence is destroyed in another scenario than the third.
counterpoints; -he underestimated the firepower of the providence by a longshot, as its not doubled but 8-times the number of the cruiser. thats because you dont just scale length, but also width and height. -the dreadnoughts thermal shielding can take more than just a beating, certainly enough for the hundreds of fighters and bombers to desteoy at least the shield generators of the ISD.
When you can see what damages a wing of rebel fighters (A or X-wing) can do to the shield of an ISD II around its bridge... 240 Tri droids could destroy most of the shield+ lots of weapons before the ISD starts launching TIE. Other point : the droids are really fast to launch un huge numbers, because no needs for pilots to get to their fighters. Also the flight deck of the Providence is HUGE, and allow ships to take of from both sides at the same time. 70 TIE could take really a long time to lauch, if they aren't destroyed on sight when leaving the ISD. IMO, the Providence could use all its proton torps to destroy those nasty turbolaser after the droids nuke the shield with ion torp, or its own ion canon take care of it.
@@infinitecanadian Assuming the fight begins immediately and they're right next to eachother, then yes, maybe the providence wouldn't get many fighters off. If they started at a distance though, I'd give it to the providence. It'd give them both time to deploy fighters, but the thing about droid fighters is that they're smaller, lighter, more maneuverable, easier to deploy, and there is a *lot of them.* I have no doubt whatever ungodly amount of fighters the providence can carry would mop the floor with imperial TIE fighters very quickly and without issue, which would leave the ISD vulnerable to getting destroyed by fighters alone.
@@adudeontheinternet8246 That's assuming the ISD isn't equipped with point defense lasers (and there is nothing that says that this layout isn't possible).
@@infinitecanadian A lack of evidence isn't evidence. Even if there was an ISD that had point defense for this battle specifically I don't believe it would be enough to stop CIS vulture droid swarms. If you want to go by that logic, I could just say that the providence had exclusively ion cannons, turbolasers and point defense and have it disable the ISD and kill it immediately.
The regular Providence was extremely overpowered for it's weapons leading them to be more destructive then regular weapons of their kind. I would presume the same would go for the dreadnought. The Providence was the precursor to the MC series of ships has they were designed on the same planet and is evident from their streamline shape. The maneuverability and speed would come it handy and it can greatly use this to its advantage as it can position its self and stay out of the forward position of the Stardestroyer. However the Stardestroyer is the more advance in terms of technology and is heavily armed. For me its just to close, this is the reason i ask for this match up for your opinion, and i can agree with you.
When ever considering proton torpedoes or concussion missiles I tend to go with the "empire at war rule." What I mean is that standard shield are primarily meant to block incoming fire from turbo lasers and other lasers alike, however a solid object like a missile, torpedo, or a ship are able to bypass the shield and strike the ship directly. I think its a nice balance as there expensive enough to we're its not feasible to equip an entire standard of ship, like the Star Destryoer' with one but when a ship does posses them its cause for alarm.
I think you should reconsider the effectiveness of droid starfighters, as in Episode 1 and Episode 3 there are large swarms of droid starfighers which appear, but the CIS still loses. In particular, a small squadron of old Naboo N-1 starfighters was able to hold out reasonably well against a large Lucrehulk fighter swarm until Anakin blew it up.
I think you overestimate the effectiveness of the droid fighters against the armor of the SD. I think that they definitely have air superiority, but I question their ability to actually do crippling damage to the destroyer, let alone completely destroy it. I think best case scenario for the fighters they can harass the more exposed weapons of the destroyer and the bridge. If the Empire fights intelligently and uses all their TIEs to focus on bridge defense, then I think the bridge survives 7-8 times out of ten for as long as the battle lasts. Also, you said that the Providence should simply turn and run, but that's a bad idea for that commander: the SD is designed as a pursuit destroyer, hence the wedge shape. It allows them to bring all their weapons to bear at once which spells doom for the CIS. And again, because the Providence's fighters can't destroy the SD on their own, it needs to get close and use as many anti-ship guns as possible. Their best play is to get broadside the SD, as their ship is designed to do, and use as many of their turbolasers as possible while also halving the number of imperial guns. While this is going on, use the fighters to harass and disable to SD. This is a risky move because it is intentionally getting close to the SD, but remember that this is what the Providence is designed for-broadside ship-to-ship with fighter screening. It may not be able to take the punishment of the SD's guns, but at least this way the number of imperial guns is cut in half. This is their best chance, but I think they lose 6-7 out of ten rounds agains the empire.
TIE Defender is the second most OP star fighter ever created in Star Wars, only the Imperial Missile Boat puts it to shame... TIE Defenders were the fastest TIE's ever built, had sheild strength that could make a Corvette blush, hyper space capable, had quad laser cannons, twin ion cannons and a warhead launching system... Every game since TIE Fighter that has tried to put in the TIE Defender has nerfed it into the ground just to be playable... Hell I remember when X-wing Vs. TIE Fighter came out, with out the Defender in it, the DEV team said that they couldn't put it in, it was so over powered....
James, the TIE Defender would be maybe the 3rd most ridiculous fighter in Star Wars. Number One is, of course, the Bes’uliik (covered with Beskar iron, Class .4 Hyperdrive, and a ton of weapons.
Proton torpedoes are known as a very powerful anti capitalship weapon. It really depends on the shielding of the imperial 2 if they can withstand a full salvo.
Don't torps generally bypass shiels, since they aren't energy-based like lasers and turbolasers that shields are designed to block? In Empire at War they do, at least, but that's not exactly the most reliable source.
I once again thank you just minimize the confederacies weapons, I have no doubt and agree that the imperial two was basically a floating platform for artillery pieces to take out other capital ships but I think you minimize the defensive an anti-capital ship weapon tree of the confederacy I think it would do more than enough damage with the help of all of it starfighters then it would be able to go toe to toe with the destroyer to and when I would guess 6.5 out of 10 times
Concussion missiles and proton torpedoes are frequently listed as weapons used to attack Capital ships by ships like the b-wing, so I would say 200 torpedo tube is pretty significant. Add to that the fact that every one of the Droid Fighters can also carry its own concussion missiles or proton torpedoes and I'd say that the Confederate ship is probably going to win more often than not.
Not saying that it would be easy to hit the engines of the Providence if it turned and attempted to distance itself, but your making it sound like a star fighter in turning. By the time it turned around it would have already taken shots from the Star Destroyer, not to mention the shear amount of firepower that would be aimed at the back if it managed to turn without being crippled. There is no such thing as luck when all your lasers are pointed at the back which is where the engines are. I do agree that the fighters would be a problem, but again your talking about a big ship doing a full turn exposing its side and then managing to evade concentrated fire in the back.
Could we see a three part/topic video: 1) About The Killiks VS the Trade Federation. 2) Dart Ships and Nest Ships VS Vulture droids and Lucrehulk-class battleship. 3) As well as Killik Troops VS Battle Droids if ether side tried boarding the other.
I pretty strongly disagree on this one, primarily due to the huge limitations of the droid starfighters which seems to have been glossed over or ignored in this matchup. The Imperial II would wipe the floor with the Providence. Why? The fighters, which were assumed to be capable enough to potentially rip the Imperial II apart even after the Providence's demise due to withering turbolaser fire, just seems improbable. Not only do the droid starfighters have incredibly short flight times due to limited fuel supply, requiring them to re-arm/fuel roughly every half hour, but they would have no real tactical direction after the destruction of their host dreadnaught. Who's telling them to attack vital points on the Imperial II, like the shield generators or the bridge? They'll just attack whatever they see in usual droid fashion. It's also not been established that buzz droids can attach to and damage a ship while its shields are up, which wouldn't make sense considering their historic usage in the prequels. If they were so effective in capital ship engagements against exposed bridge structures, why didn't the seppies just swarm Venators with tri-fighter buzz droid missiles? Surely enough would get through to start attacking the bridge superstructures, but this isn't what we saw. In fact, one of the only canon instances we see of the buzz droids' capabilities is against unshielded Jedi starfighters the size of a pickup truck. Not a lot of useful information there. Even IF buzz droids could attach to the hull and swarm the bridge, the Imperial II has a whole complement of stormtroopers, who would be able to exit the ship and clean the droids off the hull with blasters. If the Imperial II is able to take out their host ship, the droid fighters will eventually either just run out of fuel/power or get taken out over time by turbolaser fire. On the other hand, if the Providence is able to distract the Imperial II by drawing both its fighters and turbolaser fire, the fighters could swarm its engines in a targeted attack assisted by proton torpedoes. Taking out the engines would let the Providence get behind the Imperial II, where it could work away at its shields without the threat of overwhelming turbolaser fire. I'd give it to the Imperial II most of the time, but the Providence does have ways to win that don't involve it becoming a sacrificial lamb.
Andre hernandez In Legends,Dornean Gunship had the armaments of a light cruiser(8 dual turbos,8 dual laser canons and some concussion missiles),while being like 60% the size of a cr90. It could bang ships like carracks,although with some trouble. I guess raider won't have much of a chance.
The most ironic thing about this matchup is the fact that the Republic that later would turn into the empire had to spend a considerable amount of resources to deal with the fighters swarm the cis was pumping out, and then after the war they focussed on building ships that had trouble dealing with small maneuverable craft to the point that something like the cis dreadnought which would be considered out dated would have around a 50/50 chance in a 1v1 with the newer imp 2 Star destroyer because all the Providence would have to do is set up in a position where a good chunk of the main armaments can do something and just kite the star destroyer until the compliment of fighters eventually overwhelms the defenses and offenses of the star destroyers.
Even though I am writing this comment 2 years late, I kinda feel like the Imperial Star Destroyer should've won this match. The reasons for this are that the Providence-Class Dreadnought has been destroyed in easy ways, such as when Anakin redirected missiles fired by the Providence under command of Admiral Trench back to its bridge and quickly destroyed the entire ship at the Battle of Christophsis. Also during the Battle of Coruscant, a Venator-Class Star Destroyer, the Guarlara, was able to, one on one, cripple General Grievous' flagship without too much trouble. Also, buzz droid missiles could've perhaps ripped into the ISD's bridge by some chance, but, if the Providence was able to do that, why didn't it win on more occasions against Venator Star Destroyers during the Clone Wars? There are so many cases where these weapons could've come into use, but never did, and the Star Destroyer has a very thick hull/armor along with a pretty strong shield that could've quite easily stopped the missiles, and finally, it had many TIE Fighters that were agile enough and could've taken on a portion of Separatist-Droid Star Fighters and then left the rest of them to be destroyed by the ISD's point defense weapons. On the other hand, the Star Destroyer, if it went on the offensive, it could've easily destroyed the Providence Dreadnought and won the battle because it is a direct upgrade, in terms of canons, lasers, and armor, to the Venator-Class Star Destroyer of the Clone Wars. I know this comment is long so thanks to those who are seeing this last sentence as my opinions are now voiced on this battle.
I would just make a small jump outside the effective range of the Imp 2's Turbo-lasers and swarm it with a couple hundred concussion missiles. Its point defense is piss poor. So it'll basically just be sitting there impotently while it gets torn apart by missiles.
Those proton torpedo tubes are the ones shown being manned by the clones in episode III on the clone venators. The large cannons that a clone would sit on and small shell would be loader in.
Just a thought but the torpedoes can be seen in Star Wars commando "lost ship" mission. They look very large like they could do some serious damage but it appears they have a limited supply available.this being the reason they are not used often. I'm going to do more research based off that mission but to me the torpedoes look like they could deliver a large payload. But in the same instance the ones shown in this video launched by admiral trench look nothing close to the size.
I memory serves, in the Rogue Squadron Bacta War book, when Wedge's plan was basically use freighters to spam torpedoes at the Lusankya, the captain was crapping his pants over, what, 300 torpedoes? And that was a Super Star Destroyer. An Impstar deuce? Providence class salvos 204 tubes, that Star Destroyer is, best case scenario, gonna have a really bad day. Hell, it might even kill the ship outright.
Actually, twice the size mean 8 time the volume, so the correct numbers for the dreadnought would be 112 quad-turbolaser, 272 dual laser-cannons and 816 torpedo tubes. If the number of weapons scaled by the size, the executor, who is 12 time the length of a standard ISD, would only have about 800 turbolasers, instead of 4000.
Toxic RUclips but the fighters that the venetor could launch would be to fast for the turboblasters. And even if they did get hit there would be like 1000 of them, not including the tie fighters.
Toxic RUclips If worst gos to worst they can just ram the first order with the most useless ship in that battle. The venetor. Or they can hyperspace jump ram.
I understand your stance, but the Star Destroyer would never send its TIEs to attack the CIS ship, they would serve in a defensive, anti-fighter role for the duration of the battle. The only threat to the Star Destroyer would be Buzz Droids, and only to minor effect. The compliment of Storm Troopers inside the ship would be able to defend every critical part of said ship. Starfighter lasers wouldn't do any significant damage to the Destroyer. With how quick the Star Destroyer would annihilate the other ship, they wouldn't have their full compliment of ships to bear, and after destroying the CIS capital ship, the Star Destroyer would simply hyperspace away.
To pull a reference from Legends, in the Rogue Squadron series, the late Captain Drysso of Lusankya (an SSD) was terrified of facing a space station that lit up the SSD with enough sensors to represent 300 torpedoes and conc missiles. If 300 scared an SSD captain, I think 200 would have an ISD captain wetting themselves. So I think this would be a 9 out of 10 times for the Providence
Thats an Easy one. Imperium of Man. More Ships, More Overall Firepower, Adeptus Astartes (Imagine a Terminator Squad on an ISD. I don´t think they have much Crew left after a friendly Visit) ect. And The Death Star (or Both of them) - Well there are Bigger more Badass Things in the Universe of 40k. But you are absolutly right: I would also like to hear Eckhards Thoughts to that fight. Cause i know me: Maybe i just forget something :-)
Ha, the heretical Galactic Empire would be crushed and it's Xeno scum purged. It wouldn't stand a chance against billionaires upon billions of glorious smurf marines, metal boxes, and cannon fodder. And don't forget the EXTERMINATUS!!!!!!!
It makes a huge difference where guns are placed. The Star Destroyers had theirs arranged to be able to focus firepower forward, whereas the Providences had theirs split up between broadsides. That should be taken into account. Theoretically, the Star Destroyer would be able to bring many more guns to bear while approaching the target, maybe giving it enough advantage to make quite the difference.
You got it way wrong. The Vulture droids and trifighters had a maximum range from their home ship. If the Providence attempted to get some distance, then the Imps would just hammer away at long range, as their guns had an effective range longer than the fighters or the Providence weaponry. If they tried to get up close, then the TIEs would just have to hold off the droid fighters until the SD destroyed the home ship. Which would happen in short order. Also, this issue about the exposed bridge is ridiculous. If one know where the command station is on any vessel, it's an obvious weakness. The Imps would know where the bridge is on the Providence, and the fact that the Providence is far softer than the Imperial 2 means it's being wiped out instantly.
I see this matchup as a battle between a Battleship and an Aircraft Carrier...they end up destroying each other due to their respective combat styles (taking down ships with its armament and taking down ships with its complement).
I think that you are underestimating the power of proton torpedoes. In one of the Star War novels written in the 90's, I think one in the Wedge Antilles series of novels, there was a battle between a Super Star destroyer and a fleet of New Republic vessels. The New Republic was using a lot of transport vessels in the battle, but had placed more than 300 proton torpedo launchers on them, and because of this they were able to destroy the Super Star destroyer in the battle. I don't remember the book and the battles details exactly because it has been about 20 years since I read the book, but I clearly remember that the proton torpedo launchers have quite a punch and are effective against shields.
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Remember most of those proton Tubes are the Mass driver variants that each come with a medium Ion canon as an extra. And remember what those Mass Driver "torpedoes" did to a partially-shielded Acclamator, blew off an engine in one hit. Also the ISD2 carries 72 TIEs of various sorts, plus five Starwing Assault Gunboats, pluss some very well armed transports. (Sentinels, DX-9 Deltas, Alpha Class Assault Shuttles and Assault Transports, and the like are all absolute monsters.)
The funny thing is that technically, an Imperial-class and a CIS-spec Providence-class DID go head-to-head on one occasion in legends, specifically the Battle of Mustafar as portrayed in the campaign of Star Wars Battlefront II (the original, not EA's bastardized "remake"). The Imperials won hands-down in that fight. Granted, the Providence seen in Battlefront is a smaller twin-engined carrier, about the size of a Venator-class SSD, and it's safe to assume that the Imperial SSD was an Imperial I due to the fairly weak turbolaser armament but potent point defense system.
If the Providence-class commander was smart, he would keep his ship below the Imperial II's heavy main guns firing arc while using his dorsal cannons to fire into the hangar and ventral bulb of the Star Destroyer and his fighters picked apart the Destroyer's guns, fighters, and vulnerable areas.
The Proton Torpedoes work pretty much the same way as torpedoes during WWII, big, slow-moving, but devastating, once they strike. And since they are solid objects, the deflector shields, which are energy based will have no effect against the torpedoes. I recently made a video on the 6 main weapon types on SW spaceships. And I was kinda thinking and hoping that since we both do ship vs. ship combat videos, that perhaps we could work together in the future. Let me know what you think :)
I think the providence is one of the best capital ships in star wars. It has very good long-range firepower with all of its missiles, a decent amount of shorter range anti capital weapons, an exceedingly powerful complement of fighters (those tri-fighters are lethal and compact, a perfect ship for a capital ship to carry into battle), and balanced point defense weapons. It has no large weaknesses, while having many strengths. Also, I think you underestimate the effectiveness of the torpedoes somewhat. I think the amount of torpedoes grants the ship sufficient firepower to compete with the imperial 2, personally, given how powerful we've seen missiles to be when they are used. Plus, they may also be effective against fighter craft with their homing ability that I assume they have.
Innnit it’s underrated
Well, we know that protontorpedoes are a serious danger for an isd.
Innit
If you scale it up, that happens in all three dimensions, instead of just the length. So it's very likely that you're underestimating the number of guns and fighters it has. For reference: A cube with double the diameter quadruples its surface and has eight times the volume.
Surface is probably the deciding factor for gun emplacements and volume is likely to play a role in how many fighters it can carry in a hangar - though vultures might not use a hangar.
Droid ships still use hangars, in fact, you can see a huge hangar on the Providence-Class.
with this being the case it probably has double the firepower stated in the video, not only that the proton torpedo was devastating since I was designed to partially or completely negate the shields of a target hence why the x-wings used them against the shielded exhaust port on the death star.
leaving the providence with
56 quad turbo lasers(28 each side most likely)
400 proton tubes (capable of negating some of the SD shields)
8 heavy ion cannons -for use against capital ships shields and subsystems
48 ion cannons and 132 dual laser cannons for point defence
480 trifighters
480 vulture droids
VS
the imperial 2 with
8 octuple heavy turbolasers
50 heavy turbolasers
50 turbolaser batteries
20 heavy ion cannons
70 ties
The real deciding factor is actually power generation. If there's not enough power, the turbolasers will simply malfunction. The standard providence had only ~1x10^24 W peak reactor output, while a standard ISD-II had >9.5x10^24 W peak reactor output.
the reactor on the Invisible Hand was quoted to annihilate 12,000 tons of fuel at peak power. but the Invisible hand was a custom ship in that the hanger was much larger. that space was normally used to accommodate the reactors. I propose the Invisible Hand used proton torpedoes and point-defense ion/mass driver cannons (ep 3 visual dictionary) because the reactor was smaller due to being placed in the nose. a standard ship with the reactor in the proper spot would have more reactor output and more of a dedicated turbolaser weaponry
The Dreadnaught is the same height and width, the only difference is lenght so I'm not sure that's true
I would argue that if a single kamikaze A-wing could knock out a SSD, then a few dozen Vulture droids could easily do the same to the bridge of an ImpStar Deuce. I mean, not like they have pilots, why not ram?
Yeesh, I posted this 4 years ago? Dang. Anyway, point of order: I am, and was, aware the shields were down. But an ImpStar Deuce is not an SSD. A squadron of X-wings shooting proton torpedos can kill the shields on an ISD, a squadron or 3 of Vulture droids can take it down and have a few leftover to trash the bridge. I mean, holy crap, how do 72 TIE fighters stop and 0 point defence even begin to stop over 300 fighters?
The issue was that the SSD's shields were already down, and they didn't have point defense to deal with the A-Wing. If the SD's shields are up, then just like in Rogue One, the Star Destroyer is just gonna tank the rams and brush it off like nothing.
spencer settle The SSD shields we're already down after an organized attack by admiral Ackbar with several Moncalamari ships and smaller frigates and Corvettes along with star fighters and also bombers
Along with the shields down, the SSD was already fairly heavily damaged, most notably, its engines.
The issue still stands; if a ship can be disabled by ramming its bridge, then that is a catastrophic, even criminal level of negligence on the part of the designer. Even modern fighting boats don't fight from their bridge. They fight from the CIC, which is buried so deep in the hull that you have to dismantle the ship just to get to it.
Bro in that battle the ships have been firing at their shield generators for about a day. After a day the shields were finally destroyed. It’s not as easy as you think.
I’m pretty sure the Providence Dreadnaught had double the weapons of the Providence cruiser, and it had stronger shields. Along with the amount of droid star fighters I would say Providence wins.
Ahora el providencia contra la supremacy
Honestly, I love this match up, but I feel like you may be underestimating the use of the torpedoes. While most ships in Star Wars don't use them, I feel that this is because they are fairly bulky and would not be able to rival a turbolaser battery in prolonged engagements. From I was able to gather, the Rebels liked to use them on star fighters as anti capital vessel weapons. In real life, aircraft mounted torpedoes are much smaller than ship based ones, which do a huge amount of damage, with some models being able to snap destroyers in half, so I don't see why it would be any different in Star Wars. They have shown that they can track targets and have a very long range, the latter also being akin to certain real life models. Assuming the larger Providence has double the torpedo tubes as the smaller one, that would be 204. If it could launch all of it's torpedoes before the Star Destroyer is in range, then the ISD would be in pretty deep trouble. I also assume this is why we don't see them in Revenge of the Sith, as they all would have been fired off before the opening scene. This leads me to believe that the Providence itself would never have to engage with the Imperial II, as it would be softened up, if not destroyed by the early barrage of torpedoes, and finished off (if needed) by the droid star fighters, which could also be used to ram the ISD's bridge.
The torpedoes wouldn't have the range of the turbolasers.
@@infinitecanadian and you base that opinion on...
TheDubstepAddict On the fact that torpedoes only ever are seen used at short range.
There are seige ships that had just hundreds if not thousands of proton torps as primary armament, for crushing hard targets like planetary shields (granted, they worked by analysing and targeting weak points in a shield). So it stands to reason that mass launches are quite devastating. And 200+ launchers, means a pretty big launch. Also, fighter based torps probs have shorter ranges than capital ship based torps. If the providence class can carry out massed launches, and have them strike concentrated points in sync, they should be quite effective. But if torp range is indeed in turbolaser range, thats still a slug fest, and hull durability wise, the isd-ii would probably win that. Wildcard, punch holes through shields and outer hull with torps, send the buzz droids through those holes deep into the hull like done in "x-wing: wraith squadron". Two star fighters entered a hole in an ISD's hull and just started coring out fuel cells. Both those pilots died, but no one would miss a bunch of buzz droids.
So just my 2 cents. Considering how slow the torpedoes seem to move (much slower then a turbo laser bolt) if you fire from too far out of range ships can track them and get a good shot off from long range with laser fire they dont dodge like a fighter would so they are easier to shot down. Thats probably why you only see this with bombardment ships against plants and stationary targets because you can saturate its defense fire and get a few hits in. Against a moving target its not work the waist in ammo. But if you get into turbo laser range weaken shielding then hit those spots with a barrage of missile that would do a lot of damage. Any thoughts guys.
As far as I could tell, you forgot one of the providence's main weapons. This was the mass driver cannons. These were some of the main weaponry on a ship designed for broadsiding, which would technically halve the ISD's main armament able to fire.
The malevolence vs executor class star destroyer
Ion cannon = battle over
well, depends on if it can CHARGE in time. if it COMES charged, its fine. otherwise...
malevolence vs eclipse
The Executor can blast the Malevolence to bits with overwhelming firepower.
The ion cannon can disable the executor or the eclipse.
When the buzzdroids ended up ripping the Imperial 2 Star Destroyer's Bridge open...
Its not clones flying out into space this time by droids, Its Imperial personnel flying into open space by droids...
You forgot about the 100 hyena bombers the providence (dreadnought variant) carries, which carry proton bombs, proton torpedos, and concussion missiles. So I think it would not as close of a match up, with the providence winning maybe 6-7 times out of ten. But everything else was spot on! Great video
When you double the dimensions of something, if I remember right, you increase it's volume 8 times. So, in theory, doubling the Providence-class size would mean it could carry 8 times as many weapons, fighters, etc. not double.
The surface area would double tho which for weapon emplacements means they would double, tho the fighters probably would be 5 to 8 times more yes
@@derrickmeade4891 the surface area would be more than just double, if it was only a doubling of the length then it would be the case, but the increase to height and width will result in a surface area around 4x that of its smaller cousin, with the volume being 8x in turn, allowing for much larger hangars and internal systems (reactors, shield systems, etc.) resulting a very significant jump in likely performance. TL:DR actual results are between the stated numbers made by you and 177SCmaro.
@@NoivaVerocci so I was half right with my math lol
@@NoivaVerocci There's no increase in height or width, just lenght
@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 if that were the case its proportions would be visually very different, with the larger ship looking very elongated compared to the normal providence.
Bruh the vultures would just blow up the "Pls shoot me im over here shield generators" that are located above the bridge then just kamikaze..
Providence had around 110 guns,while ISD2 had around 130,and they were heavier,which is quite comparable. In battle of christophsis,Dreadnaught could bring out most of its firepower while facing forward,so I guess it had most of its guns in the trench around its "beack". Vic1 could take down the shields of mc80 liberty in a single missile volley,so I guess torpedoes would be quite deadly in a capital ship battle. And "Invincible" also had at least 2 squadrons of Hyena bombers carried under its hull,which would be quite effective against a battleship like ISD,even might take out some of its octuple turrets,giving the Dreadnaught a serious firepower advantage. And the point defence ion cannons are still ion cannons,and they have to be quite effective against ISD. I think that you are gravely underestimating the fighting capability of a Providence dreadnaught. IMHO,it would win like 8.5/10. The only concern I might have is sensor equipment or power generation.
So I guess if Berch Teller had a full "Invincible" instead parts of it,there would have been no Tarkin in Star Wars,and maybe even no Death Star at all.
chris pearson Weapon placement on the star destroyer has always bothered me. In TESB and Rouge one we can see that upper and lower parts of the ship's nose are littered with turbolaser turrets,which I suppose are the 50 turbolaser turrets/batteries mentioned in the weapons roster. In "tie fighter" we see that its superstructure between the main hull and command tower has forward-facing "slots" that you have mentioned,which ,I assume, are 50 heavy turbolaser batteries("slots" in the superstructure can be facing both forward and at flanks,and these weapons are described facing in multiple directions). In New Hope these were filled by the turbolasers,so I guess those are main,or at least secondary, guns too. Plus 8 octuple turrets. But there have to be some aa-level guns in the trench(in TESB some of the shots originating from the trench are used to shoot fast-moving rocks,and in "Zero Hour" of the rebels some shots from the trench are used to shoot damaged ywings that are going to ram the isd). Either those are some kind of weapon batteries listed in the roster and turrets on the front are considered secondary and are not mentioned in the roster ,or there are some unlisted secondary guns. So I'm really not sure how to treat its real firepower. I assumed that octuple turrets are either easy prey for hyena bombers and will be quickly taken out or they will be counterbalanced by dreadnaught's missile launchers.
Василий Данилов The Dagger shape that is used is so that all the gun batteries are facing forward. They were designed that way because they are assault ships, they have more advanced firepower to aid this. Providence class had guns littered around the vessel to have a full 360° firing field. And the stock version was the not as deadly as an upgraded version. The Providence would need to turn and have a broadside to effectively target the ISD-II, giving it an easier taget to hit, but also making it an easier target. The only advantage the Providence would have would be in its fighter/bomber numbers. But add in the Tie Incercepter and possible Tie Defenders the Providence would be beaten. But in saying that I do love the Providence, but I love the ISD-II more.
You're wrong on so many levels. You're comparing non-stock models and dictating a winner from that.
1. Modified Cr-90 "Farstar" vs. Arquitens-class
2. Mandalorian Kandosii-Class Dreadnought vs. Harrower-class
3. Hamerhead-corvette (Rogue one) vs. Crusader-class corvette
4. Victory II-class vs. Assault Frigatte Mark 2
5.Gozanti-class vs. Hammerhead corvette (pre Rogue one)
6. AT-UT vs. AT-AT
7. AT-AT vs. T4B heavy tank
8. Recusant-class light cruiser vs. Vindicator-class heavy cruiser
9. Marauder-class corvette vs. Broadside-class cruiser
And finally : 10. Kedalbe-class Battleship vs. Venator-class Star Destroyer
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Jonas Schiffbauer I like you included some Mandalorian ships
I just love the crusader-class, best ship
A Keldabe-class Battleship would literally steamroll a Venator. It's a dedicated battleship with a viable array of point-defense cannons and is fairly maneuverable.
@@assaultfrigate9470 I know a better matchup:
Keldabe battleship vs Allegiance battlecruiser.
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Acclamator class assault ship vs nebulon b frigate or 5 Acclamator class assault ship's vs 1 venator class star destroyer or nebulon b frigate vs munificent class frigate
fleetus odin for god I am pretty sure that the nebulon would lose to the munificent because wasn't the nebulon a pretty weak ship? I have not done any research on the ship but just from what i have seen it seems like the nebulon would be outmatched by the firepower that the munificent has. It also depends on the fighters because of the nebulon has X wings then vulture droids don't stand much of a chance and then nebulon would win but I'm not sure.
Its funny cause after i made that comment i found out that the nebulon b frigate is a weak ship soooooo ya
but i have not done much research to all i now really is that the nebulon b was once a empire ship
fleetus odin for god funny
jwasher I agree long range turbolasers are going to tear apart the nebulon b
The pride of the core vs a excutor super star destroyer
This is like the 20th I have asked for this battle
Blood Reaper 88 the outcome is too easy. Executor is twice the size, is far better armed and newer.
45bullshark yeah
45bullshark Actually. They're pretty even. I checked the stats on both. They're the same size. Pride of the Core has almost 2000 more weapons though
Dreymannn the fanon version maybe, not the actual Mandator 2
I would argue that the Providence has more like 6x the firepower of the 1km version, because of the square-cubed law. You scale up all dimensions by 2 and instead of double the weight you get 8x the weight. 8x does seem like a bit much for even a ship of that size, so I’d say more like 6x or so
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EckhartsLadder it's cool. Please do Executor class Vs The Mantle's approach from Halo
How does the MC75 vs a Munificent class frigate sound. Neither one are very well armed nor carry many, if any fighters.
EckhartsLadder every time I hear you say your name I hear "A carts slaughter"
EckhartsLadder tie avenger vs pelican (halo)
Charlie Haywood-Sharp a pelican is only a support gunship and/or transport man.
When you deducted the amount of guns from the larger Providence-Class Dreadnought, you only doubled the amount of guns from the smaller version, even though it should have 8 times the mass and 4 times the surface. I think it would be more likely for the L-Providence to have 8 times as many guns as the S-Providence.
X WING V.S. DEATH STAR
Payton Douglas joking right?
Payton Douglas nah X wing vs Starkiller Base
+Mic Clank no im not joking
X wing vs the entire empire
Charlie Haywood-Sharp x wing versus the galaxy
Imagine if the providence took a design idea from the munificent frigate, and add one or two very large/powerful cannons mounted at the front of the providence.
Well, i´m still on the side of the ISD, but i can see, why you gave this one to the Providence.
I just wanted to mention: You might underrestimate the speed of the ISD. Its not slow at all. The Providence is faster, but as long as these 2 arent comming out of Hyperspace in an gigantic distance to each other, there are 3 scenarios:
-The Providence is shooting a broadside to maximise its firepower and becomes a huge target for the ISD.
-It shoots face forward to the ISD and gets a pretty small target, but putting its bridge right in front of the enemy in the ine of fire and also weakens its firepower. Both of these scenarios would probalby end in a victory for the ISD.
-The Providence would try to fly away as predicted. But come on, even the ISD is not that slow and unprecise to be unable to hit its engines at that point. The providence even needs time to turn itself. It must have been a huge distance between these ships to make this happen.
Yes, the third one is realistic, but to be honest, i would have given this one to the ISD 5,5/10 just because the last one is the only realistic scenario for the Providence to win. I dont see, that the Starfighters can make a difference to this battle in time, before the Providence is destroyed in another scenario than the third.
counterpoints;
-he underestimated the firepower of the providence by a longshot, as its not doubled but 8-times the number of the cruiser. thats because you dont just scale length, but also width and height.
-the dreadnoughts thermal shielding can take more than just a beating, certainly enough for the hundreds of fighters and bombers to desteoy at least the shield generators of the ISD.
Secutor Class star destroyer vs. larger providence class carrier.
N. Nnamkcurts secutor wins easy
Zann Consortium Aggressor Class Star Destroyer vs UNSC Remberance Class Frigate
The "who has the bigger gun" pissing contest
When you can see what damages a wing of rebel fighters (A or X-wing) can do to the shield of an ISD II around its bridge... 240 Tri droids could destroy most of the shield+ lots of weapons before the ISD starts launching TIE. Other point : the droids are really fast to launch un huge numbers, because no needs for pilots to get to their fighters. Also the flight deck of the Providence is HUGE, and allow ships to take of from both sides at the same time. 70 TIE could take really a long time to lauch, if they aren't destroyed on sight when leaving the ISD. IMO, the Providence could use all its proton torps to destroy those nasty turbolaser after the droids nuke the shield with ion torp, or its own ion canon take care of it.
Yeah, but the Star Destroyer would use its turbolasers to completely maul the Providence before it could even launch fighters.
@@infinitecanadian Assuming the fight begins immediately and they're right next to eachother, then yes, maybe the providence wouldn't get many fighters off. If they started at a distance though, I'd give it to the providence. It'd give them both time to deploy fighters, but the thing about droid fighters is that they're smaller, lighter, more maneuverable, easier to deploy, and there is a *lot of them.* I have no doubt whatever ungodly amount of fighters the providence can carry would mop the floor with imperial TIE fighters very quickly and without issue, which would leave the ISD vulnerable to getting destroyed by fighters alone.
@@adudeontheinternet8246 That's assuming the ISD isn't equipped with point defense lasers (and there is nothing that says that this layout isn't possible).
@@infinitecanadian A lack of evidence isn't evidence. Even if there was an ISD that had point defense for this battle specifically I don't believe it would be enough to stop CIS vulture droid swarms. If you want to go by that logic, I could just say that the providence had exclusively ion cannons, turbolasers and point defense and have it disable the ISD and kill it immediately.
@@adudeontheinternet8246 The ISDs turbolasers are longer range.
The regular Providence was extremely overpowered for it's weapons leading them to be more destructive then regular weapons of their kind. I would presume the same would go for the dreadnought. The Providence was the precursor to the MC series of ships has they were designed on the same planet and is evident from their streamline shape.
The maneuverability and speed would come it handy and it can greatly use this to its advantage as it can position its self and stay out of the forward position of the Stardestroyer.
However the Stardestroyer is the more advance in terms of technology and is heavily armed.
For me its just to close, this is the reason i ask for this match up for your opinion, and i can agree with you.
When ever considering proton torpedoes or concussion missiles I tend to go with the "empire at war rule." What I mean is that standard shield are primarily meant to block incoming fire from turbo lasers and other lasers alike, however a solid object like a missile, torpedo, or a ship are able to bypass the shield and strike the ship directly. I think its a nice balance as there expensive enough to we're its not feasible to equip an entire standard of ship, like the Star Destryoer' with one but when a ship does posses them its cause for alarm.
I think you should reconsider the effectiveness of droid starfighters, as in Episode 1 and Episode 3 there are large swarms of droid starfighers which appear, but the CIS still loses. In particular, a small squadron of old Naboo N-1 starfighters was able to hold out reasonably well against a large Lucrehulk fighter swarm until Anakin blew it up.
very good video. i like that you up graded the star destroyer to the 2. It made this battle more interesting coming so close to a draw.
I think you overestimate the effectiveness of the droid fighters against the armor of the SD. I think that they definitely have air superiority, but I question their ability to actually do crippling damage to the destroyer, let alone completely destroy it. I think best case scenario for the fighters they can harass the more exposed weapons of the destroyer and the bridge. If the Empire fights intelligently and uses all their TIEs to focus on bridge defense, then I think the bridge survives 7-8 times out of ten for as long as the battle lasts.
Also, you said that the Providence should simply turn and run, but that's a bad idea for that commander: the SD is designed as a pursuit destroyer, hence the wedge shape. It allows them to bring all their weapons to bear at once which spells doom for the CIS. And again, because the Providence's fighters can't destroy the SD on their own, it needs to get close and use as many anti-ship guns as possible. Their best play is to get broadside the SD, as their ship is designed to do, and use as many of their turbolasers as possible while also halving the number of imperial guns. While this is going on, use the fighters to harass and disable to SD.
This is a risky move because it is intentionally getting close to the SD, but remember that this is what the Providence is designed for-broadside ship-to-ship with fighter screening. It may not be able to take the punishment of the SD's guns, but at least this way the number of imperial guns is cut in half. This is their best chance, but I think they lose 6-7 out of ten rounds agains the empire.
How to truely know : Put them in space engineers and have two clones of captain Jack's brain fight against each other
T-70 X-Wing VS Tie Defender
T-70 X-Wing is the upgraded model from The Force Awakens.
GSarge17 TIE defender, hands down.
GSarge17 I think the T-70 wins.
TIE Defender is the second most OP star fighter ever created in Star Wars, only the Imperial Missile Boat puts it to shame... TIE Defenders were the fastest TIE's ever built, had sheild strength that could make a Corvette blush, hyper space capable, had quad laser cannons, twin ion cannons and a warhead launching system... Every game since TIE Fighter that has tried to put in the TIE Defender has nerfed it into the ground just to be playable... Hell I remember when X-wing Vs. TIE Fighter came out, with out the Defender in it, the DEV team said that they couldn't put it in, it was so over powered....
James Harrington thank you for typing that so I didn't have to!
James, the TIE Defender would be maybe the 3rd most ridiculous fighter in Star Wars. Number One is, of course, the Bes’uliik (covered with Beskar iron, Class .4 Hyperdrive, and a ton of weapons.
Proton torpedoes are known as a very powerful anti capitalship weapon. It really depends on the shielding of the imperial 2 if they can withstand a full salvo.
Don't torps generally bypass shiels, since they aren't energy-based like lasers and turbolasers that shields are designed to block?
In Empire at War they do, at least, but that's not exactly the most reliable source.
They need to make a game where you can pin two ships against each other like this. That would be fun!
It's called empire at war. And mods
Ebon Hawk vs The Ghost would be an awesome match up
30 Lucrehulk-class battleship vs The Death Star II
Connor Wilder the death star would one shot it
Blair Johnson You're probably right but that's why I say 30 because they are older and more of a supporting role
+Blair Johnson It can't shoot 30 ships at once
Thobias Eriksson this guy knows what I'm saying
Blair Johnson there's 30
I think you got this one right, the providence-class is like a carrier and carries a huge ammount of fighters and can overwhelm the star destroyer
I once again thank you just minimize the confederacies weapons, I have no doubt and agree that the imperial two was basically a floating platform for artillery pieces to take out other capital ships but I think you minimize the defensive an anti-capital ship weapon tree of the confederacy I think it would do more than enough damage with the help of all of it starfighters then it would be able to go toe to toe with the destroyer to and when I would guess 6.5 out of 10 times
I've been waiting for ever for this video and recusant class light Destroyer vs an Imperial 1 class star Destroyer please.
Republic LAAT Gunship vs UNSC Pelican Dropship
Concussion missiles and proton torpedoes are frequently listed as weapons used to attack Capital ships by ships like the b-wing, so I would say 200 torpedo tube is pretty significant.
Add to that the fact that every one of the Droid Fighters can also carry its own concussion missiles or proton torpedoes and I'd say that the Confederate ship is probably going to win more often than not.
Not saying that it would be easy to hit the engines of the Providence if it turned and attempted to distance itself, but your making it sound like a star fighter in turning. By the time it turned around it would have already taken shots from the Star Destroyer, not to mention the shear amount of firepower that would be aimed at the back if it managed to turn without being crippled. There is no such thing as luck when all your lasers are pointed at the back which is where the engines are. I do agree that the fighters would be a problem, but again your talking about a big ship doing a full turn exposing its side and then managing to evade concentrated fire in the back.
Could we see a three part/topic video:
1) About The Killiks VS the Trade Federation.
2) Dart Ships and Nest Ships VS Vulture droids and Lucrehulk-class battleship.
3) As well as Killik Troops VS Battle Droids if ether side tried boarding the other.
B-wing vs ARC170
james elliott B Wing. Even the Y wing is better.
Markhas wtf are you talking about the bwing is a superiority fighter !
Gabriel Brunet It is not. If it is then Y-wings are interceptors. As they are more maneuverable and faster as we see in wookiepedia.
finally someone who has good arguments and who does not denigrate the CSI
Mandalorian starfighter vs the X-wing
I pretty strongly disagree on this one, primarily due to the huge limitations of the droid starfighters which seems to have been glossed over or ignored in this matchup.
The Imperial II would wipe the floor with the Providence.
Why? The fighters, which were assumed to be capable enough to potentially rip the Imperial II apart even after the Providence's demise due to withering turbolaser fire, just seems improbable. Not only do the droid starfighters have incredibly short flight times due to limited fuel supply, requiring them to re-arm/fuel roughly every half hour, but they would have no real tactical direction after the destruction of their host dreadnaught. Who's telling them to attack vital points on the Imperial II, like the shield generators or the bridge? They'll just attack whatever they see in usual droid fashion.
It's also not been established that buzz droids can attach to and damage a ship while its shields are up, which wouldn't make sense considering their historic usage in the prequels. If they were so effective in capital ship engagements against exposed bridge structures, why didn't the seppies just swarm Venators with tri-fighter buzz droid missiles? Surely enough would get through to start attacking the bridge superstructures, but this isn't what we saw. In fact, one of the only canon instances we see of the buzz droids' capabilities is against unshielded Jedi starfighters the size of a pickup truck. Not a lot of useful information there.
Even IF buzz droids could attach to the hull and swarm the bridge, the Imperial II has a whole complement of stormtroopers, who would be able to exit the ship and clean the droids off the hull with blasters.
If the Imperial II is able to take out their host ship, the droid fighters will eventually either just run out of fuel/power or get taken out over time by turbolaser fire.
On the other hand, if the Providence is able to distract the Imperial II by drawing both its fighters and turbolaser fire, the fighters could swarm its engines in a targeted attack assisted by proton torpedoes. Taking out the engines would let the Providence get behind the Imperial II, where it could work away at its shields without the threat of overwhelming turbolaser fire.
I'd give it to the Imperial II most of the time, but the Providence does have ways to win that don't involve it becoming a sacrificial lamb.
Dornean Gunship vs Raider Class Corvette
Or
3 Venators vs one FO battlecruiser
Andre hernandez In Legends,Dornean Gunship had the armaments of a light cruiser(8 dual turbos,8 dual laser canons and some concussion missiles),while being like 60% the size of a cr90. It could bang ships like carracks,although with some trouble. I guess raider won't have much of a chance.
more like 10 venators vs Resurgent-class star destroyer
The shots fired from those deck cannons during the broadside scene WERE the proton torpedoes.
Lol must keep trying 1 interdictor class star destroyer versus 2 gladiator class star deatroyer please upvote this
#sixth attempt
So this is like going up to fight against some jacked dude, then you chuck a beehive in his face and run.
Hammerhead corvette vs. 1 squad of tie interceptor
The most ironic thing about this matchup is the fact that the Republic that later would turn into the empire had to spend a considerable amount of resources to deal with the fighters swarm the cis was pumping out, and then after the war they focussed on building ships that had trouble dealing with small maneuverable craft to the point that something like the cis dreadnought which would be considered out dated would have around a 50/50 chance in a 1v1 with the newer imp 2 Star destroyer because all the Providence would have to do is set up in a position where a good chunk of the main armaments can do something and just kite the star destroyer until the compliment of fighters eventually overwhelms the defenses and offenses of the star destroyers.
the Sun Crusher VS Starkiller Base.
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Harrower class dreadnought vs Munificent class star frigate (or) Providence class destroyer (1K long)
Even though I am writing this comment 2 years late, I kinda feel like the Imperial Star Destroyer should've won this match. The reasons for this are that the Providence-Class Dreadnought has been destroyed in easy ways, such as when Anakin redirected missiles fired by the Providence under command of Admiral Trench back to its bridge and quickly destroyed the entire ship at the Battle of Christophsis. Also during the Battle of Coruscant, a Venator-Class Star Destroyer, the Guarlara, was able to, one on one, cripple General Grievous' flagship without too much trouble. Also, buzz droid missiles could've perhaps ripped into the ISD's bridge by some chance, but, if the Providence was able to do that, why didn't it win on more occasions against Venator Star Destroyers during the Clone Wars? There are so many cases where these weapons could've come into use, but never did, and the Star Destroyer has a very thick hull/armor along with a pretty strong shield that could've quite easily stopped the missiles, and finally, it had many TIE Fighters that were agile enough and could've taken on a portion of Separatist-Droid Star Fighters and then left the rest of them to be destroyed by the ISD's point defense weapons. On the other hand, the Star Destroyer, if it went on the offensive, it could've easily destroyed the Providence Dreadnought and won the battle because it is a direct upgrade, in terms of canons, lasers, and armor, to the Venator-Class Star Destroyer of the Clone Wars. I know this comment is long so thanks to those who are seeing this last sentence as my opinions are now voiced on this battle.
The corvus vs CR70 BLOCKADE RUNNER
old video but I have been binging info on CIS Navy and droids lately. so its fun to go back and look
How about a Protoss Zealot from StarCraft VS a common Jedi.
or
Protoss Zealots from StarCraft VS Elites from Halo.
:)
I would just make a small jump outside the effective range of the Imp 2's Turbo-lasers and swarm it with a couple hundred concussion missiles. Its point defense is piss poor. So it'll basically just be sitting there impotently while it gets torn apart by missiles.
Halo covenant assault carrier vs MC80
You can’t forget that vulture droids are unpredictable
Eclipse Dreadnaught Vs. 2 Death Stars
Those proton torpedo tubes are the ones shown being manned by the clones in episode III on the clone venators. The large cannons that a clone would sit on and small shell would be loader in.
Hammerhead cruiser vs nebulon-b frigate!!!
ΔΗΜΟΣΘΕΝΗΣ ΜΠΑΛΑ I feel like it could ram into its middle
I think he mean the Hammerhead-class CRUISER used by the Old Republic.
I mean the cotor one.The Canon one is a Corvette.
Just a thought but the torpedoes can be seen in Star Wars commando "lost ship" mission. They look very large like they could do some serious damage but it appears they have a limited supply available.this being the reason they are not used often. I'm going to do more research based off that mission but to me the torpedoes look like they could deliver a large payload. But in the same instance the ones shown in this video launched by admiral trench look nothing close to the size.
Harrower vs venetor
I memory serves, in the Rogue Squadron Bacta War book, when Wedge's plan was basically use freighters to spam torpedoes at the Lusankya, the captain was crapping his pants over, what, 300 torpedoes? And that was a Super Star Destroyer.
An Impstar deuce? Providence class salvos 204 tubes, that Star Destroyer is, best case scenario, gonna have a really bad day. Hell, it might even kill the ship outright.
Executor class Vs The Mantle's approach from Halo
Oh please oh please..
Please please
Do you even know how big the Mantle's Approach is? It would lolstomp the executor.
morti dragon exactly!!!
fuck me mantles approach will steamroll the deathstar as if was a Columbine student
Actually, twice the size mean 8 time the volume, so the correct numbers for the dreadnought would be 112 quad-turbolaser, 272 dual laser-cannons and 816 torpedo tubes. If the number of weapons scaled by the size, the executor, who is 12 time the length of a standard ISD, would only have about 800 turbolasers, instead of 4000.
Vanguard Harbinger (star citizen) vs Milennium Falcon
Ok I have been requesting this for so long home 1 vs invisable hand
The Galactic Empire vs The Infinite Empire
Michael Tu Galactic Empire, especially if the Infinite Empire loses the Star Forge...
The thing Is:
If the Providence Attack First ( using it's droids ) It Will Always win .
If the Isd Attack First it's a 50% win rate
1 venator and 1 imperial star destroyer vs first order star destroyer
Toxic RUclips heck no!!! Two v one. And a venetor class ship. No way not giddy order.
Dam autocorrect I ment first order.
Toxic RUclips but the fighters that the venetor could launch would be to fast for the turboblasters. And even if they did get hit there would be like 1000 of them, not including the tie fighters.
Toxic RUclips and the fighters don't need missiles to destroy the ship. The bigger the ship the we better the hit. That's what I say.
Toxic RUclips If worst gos to worst they can just ram the first order with the most useless ship in that battle. The venetor. Or they can hyperspace jump ram.
I understand your stance, but the Star Destroyer would never send its TIEs to attack the CIS ship, they would serve in a defensive, anti-fighter role for the duration of the battle. The only threat to the Star Destroyer would be Buzz Droids, and only to minor effect. The compliment of Storm Troopers inside the ship would be able to defend every critical part of said ship. Starfighter lasers wouldn't do any significant damage to the Destroyer. With how quick the Star Destroyer would annihilate the other ship, they wouldn't have their full compliment of ships to bear, and after destroying the CIS capital ship, the Star Destroyer would simply hyperspace away.
Captain Rex vs Commander Cody
To pull a reference from Legends, in the Rogue Squadron series, the late Captain Drysso of Lusankya (an SSD) was terrified of facing a space station that lit up the SSD with enough sensors to represent 300 torpedoes and conc missiles. If 300 scared an SSD captain, I think 200 would have an ISD captain wetting themselves. So I think this would be a 9 out of 10 times for the Providence
Hammerhead cruiser vs acclamator
Wtf isnt this obvious?
like a fisherboat with a gun against a Battleship
DatGengariousboi You are thinking of the hammerhead corvette. I believe he is referring to the cruiser used by the old republic.
even the cruiser would loose i think, but it would be closer then
The Hammerhead is a warship with starfighters. The Acclamator is a carrier ship with no starfighters. The Hammerhead would most likely win.
You forgot to mention that the rebellion used proton torpedoes against star destroyers and it worked quite well
Galactic empire vs imperium of man
Thats an Easy one. Imperium of Man. More Ships, More Overall Firepower, Adeptus Astartes (Imagine a Terminator Squad on an ISD. I don´t think they have much Crew left after a friendly Visit) ect. And The Death Star (or Both of them) - Well there are Bigger more Badass Things in the Universe of 40k. But you are absolutly right: I would also like to hear Eckhards Thoughts to that fight. Cause i know me: Maybe i just forget something :-)
Ha, the heretical Galactic Empire would be crushed and it's Xeno scum purged. It wouldn't stand a chance against billionaires upon billions of glorious smurf marines, metal boxes, and cannon fodder. And don't forget the EXTERMINATUS!!!!!!!
Going just on length A Dauntless light Cruiser Vs. an Imperial 2 would seem to fit best I think.
Alexander Müller 40K imperium had a Phalanx,which is pretty much an equivalent of a Death star,although it has harder time killing planets.
Daniel Evans 2 Space Marines in Tactical dreadnought armour vs the entire storm trooper force on an ISD, and I'd still bet on the Marines in TDA.
It makes a huge difference where guns are placed. The Star Destroyers had theirs arranged to be able to focus firepower forward, whereas the Providences had theirs split up between broadsides. That should be taken into account. Theoretically, the Star Destroyer would be able to bring many more guns to bear while approaching the target, maybe giving it enough advantage to make quite the difference.
You got it way wrong. The Vulture droids and trifighters had a maximum range from their home ship. If the Providence attempted to get some distance, then the Imps would just hammer away at long range, as their guns had an effective range longer than the fighters or the Providence weaponry. If they tried to get up close, then the TIEs would just have to hold off the droid fighters until the SD destroyed the home ship. Which would happen in short order.
Also, this issue about the exposed bridge is ridiculous. If one know where the command station is on any vessel, it's an obvious weakness. The Imps would know where the bridge is on the Providence, and the fact that the Providence is far softer than the Imperial 2 means it's being wiped out instantly.
I see this matchup as a battle between a Battleship and an Aircraft Carrier...they end up destroying each other due to their respective combat styles (taking down ships with its armament and taking down ships with its complement).
With Vader commanding the star destroyer the separatists have no chance.
Nah
I think that you are underestimating the power of proton torpedoes. In one of the Star War novels written in the 90's, I think one in the Wedge Antilles series of novels, there was a battle between a Super Star destroyer and a fleet of New Republic vessels. The New Republic was using a lot of transport vessels in the battle, but had placed more than 300 proton torpedo launchers on them, and because of this they were able to destroy the Super Star destroyer in the battle. I don't remember the book and the battles details exactly because it has been about 20 years since I read the book, but I clearly remember that the proton torpedo launchers have quite a punch and are effective against shields.
Ideas
spider man vs Darth Vader
z-95 headhunter (as it was during the clone wars) vs the x-wing
and Han Solo vs a republic commando
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Sovereign class reaper (Mass Effect) against an Imperial Class Star Destroyer
Tie avenger vs pelican (halo)
Laat is fine aswell
Remember most of those proton Tubes are the Mass driver variants that each come with a medium Ion canon as an extra.
And remember what those Mass Driver "torpedoes" did to a partially-shielded Acclamator, blew off an engine in one hit.
Also the ISD2 carries 72 TIEs of various sorts, plus five Starwing Assault Gunboats, pluss some very well armed transports. (Sentinels, DX-9 Deltas, Alpha Class Assault Shuttles and Assault Transports, and the like are all absolute monsters.)
Here's a battle. Tie defender vs the droid tri fighter
Like is you agree
The_green_lanton this A bit unfair for the droid
The_green_lanton this The Tie Defender could take on 5 Tri droids. The Tie Interceptor might provide for a more fair contest.
Executor class Super Star Destroyer vs 10 trade Federation battleships
Tri droid fighter vs tie interceptor
Tri droid fighter(F-22 Raptor) vs tie interceptor(P-51 Mustang) LOL
The funny thing is that technically, an Imperial-class and a CIS-spec Providence-class DID go head-to-head on one occasion in legends, specifically the Battle of Mustafar as portrayed in the campaign of Star Wars Battlefront II (the original, not EA's bastardized "remake"). The Imperials won hands-down in that fight. Granted, the Providence seen in Battlefront is a smaller twin-engined carrier, about the size of a Venator-class SSD, and it's safe to assume that the Imperial SSD was an Imperial I due to the fairly weak turbolaser armament but potent point defense system.
This battle is kind of BS you changed it to ISD 2 ensted of ISD 1.
the ISD 2 is better dude
Soban Red it’s called an upgrade for a reason
I agree!! Especially because of the advantage the Dreadnaught has in its Ion cannons!
If the Providence-class commander was smart, he would keep his ship below the Imperial II's heavy main guns firing arc while using his dorsal cannons to fire into the hangar and ventral bulb of the Star Destroyer and his fighters picked apart the Destroyer's guns, fighters, and vulnerable areas.
The Proton Torpedoes work pretty much the same way as torpedoes during WWII, big, slow-moving, but devastating, once they strike. And since they are solid objects, the deflector shields, which are energy based will have no effect against the torpedoes. I recently made a video on the 6 main weapon types on SW spaceships. And I was kinda thinking and hoping that since we both do ship vs. ship combat videos, that perhaps we could work together in the future. Let me know what you think :)