Fun fact: When Thor returns to Jane in the end credits, Natalie Portman wasn't available to shoot the scene, so the substituted her with Hemsworth's real life wife, Elsa Pataky. The just put a brown wig on her. She's an actress as well.
The avengers aren't always free you know. They're all happening at the same time so imagine Iron Man 3, Thor The Dark World and Captain America: The Winter Soldier all happening at the same time in different locations dignifying how GRAVE and in trouble the universe is constantly in.
"Why wouldn't the Avengers show up?" That last fight is is England. The Avegers are based in NY. The battle took like ten minutes? Maybe? The Avengers couldn't have seen the news and gotten there before it was all over.
@numbersasaname2291 I think mophat is right, but also. We're still talking about a few minutes of action. That honestly might not have been long enough for them to even be aware that anything had happened til it's over. Not to be grim about it, but look at the timeline for 9/11 from when the first plane hit to when it was reported for the first time on TV. It was almost three minutes before even local NY stations were showing the footage. I would say that's a comparable event. I think it's reasonable that no one would be able to respond to the site, even from London, before the fight was over.
"Our next MCU movie is Captain America: Winter Soldier. I'm excited." As you should be, Stef. It's been ten years since Winter Soldier's release and an additional 24 MCU movies have been added to the franchise since then. And it's STILL regarded as one of the best MCU films of all time.
This movie suffered from comparisons to Avengers; it just couldn't compete; but in reality it's not NEARLY as bad as people would have you believe: don't buy into the rage-bait. It's almost precisely equal to Iron Man 2 in overall quality, it's a 7/10 in a field of 8's 9's and 10's.
Agreed. It's honestly the same comparison to the last five years. To quote the obnoxious fanbase, "Everything the MCU has put out since Endgame has been trash". Well duh. Infinity War/Endgame were lightning in a bottle. Trying to capture that same magic again is near impossible, so having Infinity War/Endgame-level expectations with every MCU release is just gonna disappoint.
@@DukeDarkshadow _precisely!_ (doc brown voice) This is why I like a good reactor that hasn't seen things; they haven't been poisoned by the Toxic AF fanbase/critics I've tried to keep out of online fanbases and critical communities ever since WAAAY back when The 5th Element came out. It's a solid 7/10 movie and I love it, but the critics acted like it was as bad as "the room". and I got into Anime in the 80's, so I got to watch that whole community go off the rails in real time... 🤦 Some people just want to shite on everything to make themselves feel superior, or as an ulterior motives...
@@DukeDarkshadowyou totally right. And we have some evidence now. Some reviews of "Deadpool and Wolwerine" say it's the best MCU film since "Endgame". That proves the point that in spite of the problems every individual film has, they are criticized using Infinity War or Endgame as a standar, an impossible one to replicate in every movie. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
@DukeDarkshadow Let's not act like the MCU has only been releasing good projects lately. They wouldn't have done a whole recall if they were making bangers regardless of what the fans say. The movies have been sucking hard these past 2 years. The marvels is a prime example.
@@treyvondavis3503 I'm not talking about the post-endgame dip here. I'm just saying that this movie is NOT the horror that some folk like to claim it is. and 6/10 is objectively average, not horrid. it's an issue of expectations that I'm talking about. and unfair comparisons in general. people saw the avengers' best films and _expected_ ALL the films to be 9-10/10's which is impossible. so anything less than an 8/10 is called 'horrid', and an average score of 5-6/10 is considered unforgivable in the now-highly-toxic MCU core fandom. note, T:TDW is Pre-Endgame, but came out after The Avengers and right before Captain America: Winter Soldier, so got compared to both in peoples' minds... and in comparison it's not as good, plainly, but that does NOT mean that it's "not good" it's just not AS good as a couple of epic-instant-classics...
The guy in the final scene is the collector, its a character from the comics who is all about collecting the most unique things in the universe, animal, plant, people object, anything unique or powerful. They never really say how loko replaced odin, but loki is a mster of illusion so what evactly happened when he died we may never know which parts were illusion amd which true.
49:53 That is Taneleer Tivan, aka The Collector. And he wants the other 5 infinity stones now that he has the Reality Stone, aka the Aether. I mean, of course the guy named The Collector is going to want to collect all parts of a set, and what better set to collect than the set of Infinity Stones!
To add to this - that's what all the glass cases you see are for - to display his collection. He likes to show it off, not just stick things in a drawer and not look at them. His collection stretches for miles.
Here are some the dark world facts. The bifrost got fixed after Thor retrieved the tesseract because Odin use the tesseract to create the bifrost. Odin or Heimdall had the ability to send thor off Asgard using dark magic but it was a one-way trip the return with the tesseract. The average asgardian strength level is around 1 to 3 tons. The average Palace guard strength level is around 10 tons. As for more advanced warriors like the lady Sif and the warrior 3 their strengths are around 50 tons that also includes Loki. At least regarding Loki's physical strength telepathically he can lift over 100 ton not to mention the dozens of different power Loki is capable of doing. Then there are special cases like Heimdall with abilities that rival odins then Thor who physical strength on average is around 450 tons then there's his power scaling which he has the ability to destroy a continent. So the dark elf who used the kursed stone which was made of matter particles from The Aether aka the reality infinity stone. If you're wondering why the dark elves want to turn make the universe dark is because the elves thrive in darkness so in a dark universe the elf species would receive ability similar to the kursed one.
ROFL at your reaction to the end. XD GOT YOU. Loki dying was one of his illusions. He has always wanted to be a king, to rule. Just as Odin told both him and Thor, "You were both meant to be kings." Loki took that to heart. And he saw his chance to do so here. The question is... what did he do with Odin??? ;)
Actually the Space stone is in both the "Avengers" and "Captain America" movies respectively..😅 But it depends on what MCU movie you watch first, that way you might spot one of the Infinity Stones 🔵
She’s gonna love the next movie. Captain America Winter soldier!!!🔥🔥🔥 after that your going to experience a lot banger marvel movies. CAP 2 is the start of the banger MCU movies
Most people don't like this movie because they don't understand it. The convergence is explained to us multiple times. The place where Jane and her team were, was essentially a developing portal. The Ether looks for host bodies and pulled Jane to it.
I understood it just fine. I disliked it because it's dour and dark and overserious even while Thor and Asgard are inherently very, very silly... it's a bad mix that brings out and underlines the silliness of the whole premise. I mean, you've got this supposedly advanced space-faring race... and they still use hammers and spears for weapons and wear plate male armor? Yeah... of course they get easily mowed down by the dark elves who use projectile weapons. Duh. On top of that... boring, underdeveloped, forgettable villain. Dumb MacGuffin quest. Poor chemistry between Hemsworth and Portman. A drab color palette for pretty much all of the film which matches the dour and overserious tone of the film but just makes it a drag to watch. Silly action sequences. I mean... for fuck's sake... this "ether" is supposed to be one of the most powerful objects in the entire Universe, you say? Some ultimate omnipotent weapon, you say? Oh no... the bad guy has it and is capable of wielding it now? Oh shit. What's it going to do?? Oh.... it.... knocked Thor off his feet momentarily. But it didn't break the skin or even cause any bruising. Um. Yeah. Wow. Super powerful. This was easily the worst film in the MCU for a very long time. It held on to that title until at least 2019 when Captain Marvel hit theaters. Pretty much all critics agreed. Were they all too dumb to understand it? Maybe you didn't understand it? Nah... must be that everyone else was wrong...
It seems iron man 3, winter soldier and dark world happen at the same time. Which is why shield was answering and iron man was MIA when people thought he was dead and he was disconnected
When you have non-crossover movies, unlike The Avengers, and they're focused on an individual hero, just assume that the story is this specific hero's story and try not to think/plug in how you think this might possibly connect to the greater MCU. (Mainly 'cause you'd never guess what's going to connect and what won't or maybe will much further down the line) Individual movies are like comic book where they show what trials and tribulations a particular hero has to go through. Crossovers are special events where they need to come together because no one hero can handle it. When we, who read comic books, read a Thor comic (for instance) and it looks like the villain is so powerful, we don't think "Where's Iron Man? Where's The Hulk?" We think, "Aw man, how's Thor gonna get outta THIS one?" We don't really expect other heroes to be waiting in the wings, because they're off dealing with their own problems, in their own comics. So, good rule of thumb is to just focus on what is happening to the characters in the current movie because it may or may not have something to do with whatever the next big crossover may be, but it will definitely be important to the individual hero later on 'cause all the experiences shape them. Look at how Tony was shaped by events from "The Avengers" or even how his whole life changed because of what happened in that cave with Yinsen in the first movie. Those are all HIS personal experiences. Best not to just brush off events in a movie because you're waiting for the next big thing. Now, if a movie, in and of itself feels lackluster, that's fair to say. Saying that it over all wasn't interesting because this or that, perfectly valid. For the longest time, this was my least favorite MCU movie because I thought the villains were not fleshed out so much and I thought we should've really felt the threat of them more.
I never thought The Dark World was the worst Marvel movie out there. I just think that they tried cramming a lot of exposition into a very limited amount of time, giving the movie kind of an unorganized, rushed feel to it. Pretty much, it could have been better produced, but as far as storyline goes, definitely not the worst of the Marvel films.
Svartalfheim: Svart = Black or Dark, Alf = Elf, Heim = Home It's Nordic influenced like Thor in general is supposed to be. The name is directly from Nordic 13th century mythology.
In the Scandinavian myths, Thor and Sif are married and have a daughter. You mention that Malekith reminded you of the "Lord of the Rings." It actually works the other way. Tolkien drew a lot of inspiration from the myths and fairy tales from ancient, pre-Christian German and Scandinavian culture. 🙂 "Svartalf" means "dark elf," and "heim" means "land of." When a catastrophe happens in the Marvel universe, that just means it's a Tuesday. Nah. This film isn't bad. Love & Thunder is *bad* bad, but this one isn't.
I do agree with the (somewhat general) perception that the relationship between Thor and Jane didn't really worked the way they expected, with the fact that the Jane character is one of, if not THE, main love interest of Thor from the comics in general... I'm one of the viewers who thinks that they should've gone full steam ahead with Thor's relationship with Lady Sif after the first movie when people said that they didn't really connect with Thor and Jane's romantic relationship (certainly after this movie it would make even more sense)... The curious part is that it has been said over the years that there was an early version of the script for this movie where the "triangle" and Sif's feelings for Thor played a little bit of a bigger role in the story... I 1000% would prefer Thor to be with Sif... It would make much more sense and can also lead to good scenarios and storytelling... The God of Thunder & The Goddess of War
I’ve loved this movie since it came out. Is it the best? Absolutely not, but given the recent MCU, it’s made appreciate this movie so much more. Loki is top 5 characters in the MCU.
Spiderman and some other Marvel superheroes got started in 1963. So did I. So I grew up reading these comics. By the mid 70s the story lines were intense and dramatic. I say this to highlight how good a job the MCU has done to amalgamate all the stories and histories of these characters from the last 60 years into movies that current audiences can follow and even form attachments to. For those who say that this movie or that movie is the worst or least one, I'd say that you've got to remember that they are all a part of a much bigger picture.
Loki: HA GOT EM I honestly love mythology and lore so Thor movies never bore me, I always appreciated the laughs in these earlier ones specifically keeping the serious parts and sprinkling in the humor. Not my favorite Avenger, but probably 2nd. Can't wait for Captain America The Winter Soldier.
Hi Steph. Great reaction! Remember that these movies are early on. Nobody knows about Thanos or the infinity stones yet except comic readers. Even they are not sure how those comics will translate to film or how much marvel will stick to them. So each movie is building out the universe and dropping hints of what's to come, but also focusing on one corner of the marvel universe and introducing us to more characters or teaching us more about the ones we've met. So far as why the avengers haven't arrived to save the day - they are not just waiting around for things to happen. They have only worked together once at this stage and even later on when they are actively intervening, lots and lots of things are happening all at the same time. These films show us some of the things that are happening and some of them make it more obvious when they are taking place in the timeline as well. Love to see you going back through these movies as well. I'm a huge Loki fan too so i'm hoping you one day react to his show. Cheers.
Great reaction! 😊 This is one of those movies where the more I watch it the more I like it. Loki will always 100% be the best part of this movie. I love Natalie Portman's Asgardian wardrobe in this movie. It gives "Star Wars Episode 2" Naboo wardrobe vibes. RIP to Frigga, Queen of Asgard. 😭 31:40 - 33:27 The best part of the whole movie. LOL! Loved Stef's reaction to the Loki twist reveal at the end. LOL! Up next one of the best MCU movies "Captain America: The Winter Soldier". Looking forward to your next reaction. 😊
Takes a little longer than 20 minutes to get from America to London, even for the avengers. :) but I’m sure they were on their way. Might even have been sucked up by one of those anomalies like the fighter jets were
Yep That's kinda odd and refreshing at the same time: I know both 😉 Natalie Portman and Chris have excellent social skills and chemistry(even though they are both actors) but I wouldn't be comfortable with another woman or another individual kissing my partner 😅.. "just no,just just no no ."
Best aspect of this movie was Thor and Loki dynamic. Loki was not once a bad guy in that movie if you think about it. Polt wise the villain was weak and the plot was not good because they wanted jane to do something and not be the mistress in distress, but that failed . because Jane is human and all the other Gods and Dark Elves.
This is really the first film where they assume that you know a lot of background from the Thor comics. If you don't have that background knowledge it make the movie feel a lot more disjointed. I think that this is a reason that a lot of people didn't rank this one very highly. From a story perspective this one really is a lynchpin for a lot that is to come.
So, Stef, you asked about the connection between this movie and the overall saga. I think it’s more a character building movie, relations between Thor, Loki, Odin and Friga and that influence on future movies. Of course, the aether will enter into the plot of future movies in the hands of the Collector. So glad you liked. On to CA, Winter Soldier. 👍🏻😊 Good intuitive foresight at 42:35 on “wanting them to think he’s dead”. And Stef, you didn’t recognize Benicio Del Toro as the Collector? Stef! Loki’s death was a projection illusion; after all he is the God of Mischief. Avengers don’t respond to every conflict or disaster. It just doesn’t serve the saga to have a team up every movie.
To be fair almost everything happen out of earth, when they came to earth the fight happen in the moment it would give time to put the avengers together, remember in avengers 1 it took like a day to put together the team
I personally think this film is over-hated as well. It also plays a significant role later on. And, it's at this point that things really start to connect and get REALLY good moving forward. Enjoy!
You may want to avoid confusing MCU movies with Marvel associated movies. Ghost Rider, The Amazing Spider-Man & other Spider-Man adjacent movies are part of Sony movies branch of Marvel, while Blade was part of New Line Cinema's branch & Mutant-stories plus the distribution of Fantastic-4 are part of the 20th Century Fox branch, then Hulk & Sub-Mariner were licensed to Paramount. This all happened because Marvel was in financial trouble at one time. They sold off a bunch of their characters for "movie rights only" to various studios. As a result the love story in The Amazing Spider-Man came from Sony not Marvel.
55:00 - How quickly do you think the Avengers move? The whole climax took maybe an hour. It's not like they're all sitting around in a ready room waiting for a batsignal or something.
Especially because these films take place in the time they were released. So thor was dealing with this whilst iron man was dealing with anxiety and cap was dealing with whatever happens in the next film. Its all basically simultaneous
Tony Stark is probably still recovering from open-heart surgery. And none of the Avengers (other than Thor) have any experience with "mystical, mythological" threats like this.
Don't forget to include the Spider-man entries, last I checked they weren't on the Disney+ list, so you'll have to attain them elsewise! (they're great, so don't hesitate to buy them!)
I have no problems with Thor: The Dark World. In fact, one of the upcoming films actually makes this a better film. This film is very important in the overall storyline, and the film is heavy with exposition, but it’s all important information eventually.
Other Avengers (or SHIELD) not coming to help only means they are somewhere else busy with their own missions or problems and would not even be aware of what’s happening in this movie. But simplest reason is, it wouldn’t be a Thor movie if he needed other heroes to defeat the movie’s villain. This goes for any solo Marvel hero movie. It would only be an Avengers movie if a situation needed for all of them to defeat it. 😁
You will find out about the Collector two movies ahead. Of the first 3 Thor movies I'd rank this last, but I liked it better on rewatching than I did the first time. The director of this movie also directed multiple episodes of Game of Thrones including the one where Ned was executed in the first season.
stef, i think that alien ship might have appeared and the final battle only took as long as that group of scenes did for the movie, so the avengers if they did see that ship on tv, it would have taken them a couple hours to fly to england, and by that time, the movie/battle was over and the alien ship was on another planet
The ‘weak spots’ were random. Jane tried to open them but didn’t know where it would open to. Marvel has had many artists and writers throughout their comic book history. Which means many versions of characters and stories. Marvel Studios had a specific story to tell that spanned multiple characters and comic issues. Trimming the story or changing things slightly rubs some fans the wrong way. There are movies that fall into that category. See you in the next one or the painter post.. ✌️🥰
If you've got people telling you what's going to happen, or even telling you if a movie is good or bad before you watch it, I don't think those are fans. People that truly want to see a blind reaction won't tell you anything about what's coming up, so that it doesn't get ruined. 🤷🏻♂️
I agree with you that there is a lack of chemistry between Thor and Jane. The relationship just doesn't work like Tony and Pepper or Steve & Peggy, or even Bruce & Betty. Or any of the other relationships in the upcoming movies. No spoilers! You'll have to discover them for yourself. This is far from the worst MCU movie. It's not even the worst in phases 1-3. It might be the worst specifically in phase 2 - but that's a pretty high bar. IMO, the main problem is the villain - just generically evil-for-evil's-sake, not at all interesting, like Loki or most of the other MCU villains. The Collector is an odd case. He's neither a good guy nor a bad guy. Without going into too much detail, he's just obsessed with his collection. He's not trying to conquer the universe or kill anyone, or anything like that.
Agree the movie isn't the worst Marvel movie. Know of some people who think this is one of the best. Lack of chemistry between Chris Hemsworth and Natalie Portman has been evident since the first Thor movie. Not that they are bad actors. Both are excellent actors. Christopher Eccleston is a very good actor. The suit they had him in restricts his motion making him less menacing. Portals and swapping between the different realms can be confusing. It seems there are no rules in where they pop up. Reality is portals are random during the Convergence until the realms are perfectly aligned. They made clever use of this having the portals send characters to different locations. Loved Thor's hammer leaving Earth to head to Elfland Svartalfheim. Then back to Earth when Thor and Malekith portaled back to the Gherkin skyscraper. That was very clever. Even with these flaws the movie is still enjoyable. The interaction between Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston is perfect. The cast does great. Of course, Loki fooled Thor into thinking he was dead. Apparently Thor did flunk out of Med School. The big rock guy Thor smashed in the fight is a Kronan. Rock beats scissors. Scissors beat paper. Paper beats rock. Hammers also beat rocks and scissors. But can hammer beat paper?
Avengers couldnt be there for 2 reasons. first , it all happened too quick , even the avengers needs time to go from DC to London. And the second one is that , this is a Thor movie 😁. Same thing happens in the comics , so many times we readers asked "soooo why spiderman fights him that is overpowered but never calls hulk!"
you can always ask why the avengers didn't help. The avengers could've helped Tony fight the mandarin too. the movie isn't about the avengers. that's pretty much the reason why they weren't in it or don't show up in future movies. That's all really. that and they all went their separate ways at the end of the avengers. I believe this takes place a few weeks after that.
People are weird when it comes to media takes. If something isn't perfect, it's terrible. Or in the case of this movie, if the villain is pretty boring and one note (if that), then the movie sucls. Apparently. I disagree. I agree Malekith isn't an interesting villain in this film, but I don't think that makes the movie bad. There are plenty of movies with uninteresting villains that are near universally loved. Like, basically any horror movie ever, because horror movies kinda suck as far as movies go (and I say that as a horror fan). I also don't think Jane and Thor have much chemistry in this film, much like with the first film, but part of that is due to directing. Chris Hemsworth was also fairly new to acting in the first film (compared to Natalie Portman, that is), and in this film Natalie grew kinda upset behind the scenes because she felt her character was underserved. She had such a terrible time working on this film that she didn't come back for the third Thor film, or any other MCU film until the fourth Thor movie, Love and Thunder. You're not there, yet, but I must say that Natalie and Chris actually have chemistry in that film. Bottom line, I think this film is massively underrated. It's easily one of the most fun films in the MCU, and that should count for something.
Fun fact: When Thor returns to Jane in the end credits, Natalie Portman wasn't available to shoot the scene, so the substituted her with Hemsworth's real life wife, Elsa Pataky. The just put a brown wig on her. She's an actress as well.
Captain America The Winter soldier is next and i cant wait for you to see that!!!
One of my favourite movies in the mcu line up 🙂🙌
Peak MCU
The movie that began the MCUs legendary run
The Russo brothers have entered! Peak MCU
The best💯
He's called God of Mischief for a reason 🤷♂️😆
That tricksy, tricksy, mischievous scamp!
The avengers aren't always free you know. They're all happening at the same time so imagine Iron Man 3, Thor The Dark World and Captain America: The Winter Soldier all happening at the same time in different locations dignifying how GRAVE and in trouble the universe is constantly in.
"Why wouldn't the Avengers show up?" That last fight is is England. The Avegers are based in NY. The battle took like ten minutes? Maybe? The Avengers couldn't have seen the news and gotten there before it was all over.
But, without a spoiler so treading lightly, isn’t a Sanctum in London? 🤨
@@numbersasaname2291 DS doesn't exist yet and as stated in that movie sanctums only guard against more mystical threats.
@numbersasaname2291 I think mophat is right, but also. We're still talking about a few minutes of action. That honestly might not have been long enough for them to even be aware that anything had happened til it's over.
Not to be grim about it, but look at the timeline for 9/11 from when the first plane hit to when it was reported for the first time on TV. It was almost three minutes before even local NY stations were showing the footage. I would say that's a comparable event.
I think it's reasonable that no one would be able to respond to the site, even from London, before the fight was over.
"Earth's" mightiest heroes.......
"Our next MCU movie is Captain America: Winter Soldier. I'm excited."
As you should be, Stef. It's been ten years since Winter Soldier's release and an additional 24 MCU movies have been added to the franchise since then. And it's STILL regarded as one of the best MCU films of all time.
Stef at Loki's twist at the end-"Oh you gotta be shitting my pants"
😂😂😂😂😂😂
So... we're shitting in her pants? Kinky lol
This movie suffered from comparisons to Avengers; it just couldn't compete; but in reality it's not NEARLY as bad as people would have you believe: don't buy into the rage-bait. It's almost precisely equal to Iron Man 2 in overall quality, it's a 7/10 in a field of 8's 9's and 10's.
Agreed. It's honestly the same comparison to the last five years. To quote the obnoxious fanbase, "Everything the MCU has put out since Endgame has been trash". Well duh. Infinity War/Endgame were lightning in a bottle. Trying to capture that same magic again is near impossible, so having Infinity War/Endgame-level expectations with every MCU release is just gonna disappoint.
@@DukeDarkshadow _precisely!_ (doc brown voice)
This is why I like a good reactor that hasn't seen things; they haven't been poisoned by the Toxic AF fanbase/critics
I've tried to keep out of online fanbases and critical communities ever since WAAAY back when The 5th Element came out.
It's a solid 7/10 movie and I love it, but the critics acted like it was as bad as "the room".
and I got into Anime in the 80's, so I got to watch that whole community go off the rails in real time... 🤦
Some people just want to shite on everything to make themselves feel superior, or as an ulterior motives...
@@DukeDarkshadowyou totally right. And we have some evidence now. Some reviews of "Deadpool and Wolwerine" say it's the best MCU film since "Endgame". That proves the point that in spite of the problems every individual film has, they are criticized using Infinity War or Endgame as a standar, an impossible one to replicate in every movie. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
@DukeDarkshadow Let's not act like the MCU has only been releasing good projects lately. They wouldn't have done a whole recall if they were making bangers regardless of what the fans say. The movies have been sucking hard these past 2 years. The marvels is a prime example.
@@treyvondavis3503 I'm not talking about the post-endgame dip here. I'm just saying that this movie is NOT the horror that some folk like to claim it is. and 6/10 is objectively average, not horrid.
it's an issue of expectations that I'm talking about. and unfair comparisons in general.
people saw the avengers' best films and _expected_ ALL the films to be 9-10/10's which is impossible. so anything less than an 8/10 is called 'horrid', and an average score of 5-6/10 is considered unforgivable in the now-highly-toxic MCU core fandom.
note, T:TDW is Pre-Endgame, but came out after The Avengers and right before Captain America: Winter Soldier, so got compared to both in peoples' minds... and in comparison it's not as good, plainly, but that does NOT mean that it's "not good" it's just not AS good as a couple of epic-instant-classics...
WORST? - MCU films are so well done, saying one film may be the worst of the bunch, doesn't mean it's a terrible film.
The guy in the final scene is the collector, its a character from the comics who is all about collecting the most unique things in the universe, animal, plant, people object, anything unique or powerful.
They never really say how loko replaced odin, but loki is a mster of illusion so what evactly happened when he died we may never know which parts were illusion amd which true.
49:53 That is Taneleer Tivan, aka The Collector. And he wants the other 5 infinity stones now that he has the Reality Stone, aka the Aether. I mean, of course the guy named The Collector is going to want to collect all parts of a set, and what better set to collect than the set of Infinity Stones!
To add to this - that's what all the glass cases you see are for - to display his collection. He likes to show it off, not just stick things in a drawer and not look at them. His collection stretches for miles.
Iron Man 3, the Dark World and The Winter Soldier take place at roughly the same time which is why the other Avengers aren’t involved.
Fun fact: Because of Asgardian physiology, Thor weighs roughly between 600-800 lbs. His muscle density is incredible and gives him great endurance.
Stop massaging his muscles, Gamora! Lol XD
@@open_my_eyes3311 who you kidding Quill. You're one sandwich away from being fat XD
Loki will definitely be your favorite after watching the show
I can't wait to see her eventual reaction to Loki Seasons 1 & 2
"Loki understood rule as I know I never will. The brutality, the sacrifice..."
Yep. *winks at those up to date on MCU*
The Aether even though it’s in its raw form, it’s called the Reality Stone
Here are some the dark world facts. The bifrost got fixed after Thor retrieved the tesseract because Odin use the tesseract to create the bifrost. Odin or Heimdall had the ability to send thor off Asgard using dark magic but it was a one-way trip the return with the tesseract. The average asgardian strength level is around 1 to 3 tons. The average Palace guard strength level is around 10 tons. As for more advanced warriors like the lady Sif and the warrior 3 their strengths are around 50 tons that also includes Loki. At least regarding Loki's physical strength telepathically he can lift over 100 ton not to mention the dozens of different power Loki is capable of doing. Then there are special cases like Heimdall with abilities that rival odins then Thor who physical strength on average is around 450 tons then there's his power scaling which he has the ability to destroy a continent. So the dark elf who used the kursed stone which was made of matter particles from The Aether aka the reality infinity stone. If you're wondering why the dark elves want to turn make the universe dark is because the elves thrive in darkness so in a dark universe the elf species would receive ability similar to the kursed one.
Nerd rage aside, even the "bad" MCU movies are still pretty good.
ROFL at your reaction to the end. XD GOT YOU.
Loki dying was one of his illusions. He has always wanted to be a king, to rule. Just as Odin told both him and Thor, "You were both meant to be kings." Loki took that to heart. And he saw his chance to do so here. The question is... what did he do with Odin??? ;)
The hunt for the 6 Infinity Stones begins....
Actually the Space stone is in both the "Avengers" and "Captain America" movies respectively..😅
But it depends on what MCU movie you watch first, that way you might spot one of the Infinity Stones 🔵
She’s gonna love the next movie. Captain America Winter soldier!!!🔥🔥🔥 after that your going to experience a lot banger marvel movies. CAP 2 is the start of the banger MCU movies
Great job realizing Loki and Thor were pulling a trick! I’ve never seen anyone figure that out so quickly.
Also, you almost immediately realized Loki wasn’t really dead!
Loki is great and this is not the worst of MCU Movies...
Facts!!!
Currently the worst mcu movie is madame web I think.
@@lzniR madame web is not a MCU movie
@@kadencastro8168correct .. but wait for the collab of Kraven the hunter and Morbius
Yes my most hated mcu movie is another one. İ will tell it when stef watched it
Loki has Illusion magic he can make anything look however he likes, including himself dying.
"You gotta be shitting my pants."
🤣💀🤣💀🤣💀
Most people don't like this movie because they don't understand it.
The convergence is explained to us multiple times.
The place where Jane and her team were, was essentially a developing portal.
The Ether looks for host bodies and pulled Jane to it.
I understood it just fine. I disliked it because it's dour and dark and overserious even while Thor and Asgard are inherently very, very silly... it's a bad mix that brings out and underlines the silliness of the whole premise. I mean, you've got this supposedly advanced space-faring race... and they still use hammers and spears for weapons and wear plate male armor? Yeah... of course they get easily mowed down by the dark elves who use projectile weapons. Duh. On top of that... boring, underdeveloped, forgettable villain. Dumb MacGuffin quest. Poor chemistry between Hemsworth and Portman. A drab color palette for pretty much all of the film which matches the dour and overserious tone of the film but just makes it a drag to watch. Silly action sequences. I mean... for fuck's sake... this "ether" is supposed to be one of the most powerful objects in the entire Universe, you say? Some ultimate omnipotent weapon, you say? Oh no... the bad guy has it and is capable of wielding it now? Oh shit. What's it going to do?? Oh.... it.... knocked Thor off his feet momentarily. But it didn't break the skin or even cause any bruising. Um. Yeah. Wow. Super powerful.
This was easily the worst film in the MCU for a very long time. It held on to that title until at least 2019 when Captain Marvel hit theaters. Pretty much all critics agreed. Were they all too dumb to understand it? Maybe you didn't understand it? Nah... must be that everyone else was wrong...
@@nooneofconsequence1251 wow. I said most people. Not 100 percent of the people. Your opinion differs from mine.
@@nooneofconsequence1251 bro didn't read the "most people" part
@@nooneofconsequence1251”Most people.” Nobody asked you to write all this lmao
It seems iron man 3, winter soldier and dark world happen at the same time. Which is why shield was answering and iron man was MIA when people thought he was dead and he was disconnected
When you have non-crossover movies, unlike The Avengers, and they're focused on an individual hero, just assume that the story is this specific hero's story and try not to think/plug in how you think this might possibly connect to the greater MCU. (Mainly 'cause you'd never guess what's going to connect and what won't or maybe will much further down the line) Individual movies are like comic book where they show what trials and tribulations a particular hero has to go through. Crossovers are special events where they need to come together because no one hero can handle it. When we, who read comic books, read a Thor comic (for instance) and it looks like the villain is so powerful, we don't think "Where's Iron Man? Where's The Hulk?" We think, "Aw man, how's Thor gonna get outta THIS one?" We don't really expect other heroes to be waiting in the wings, because they're off dealing with their own problems, in their own comics. So, good rule of thumb is to just focus on what is happening to the characters in the current movie because it may or may not have something to do with whatever the next big crossover may be, but it will definitely be important to the individual hero later on 'cause all the experiences shape them. Look at how Tony was shaped by events from "The Avengers" or even how his whole life changed because of what happened in that cave with Yinsen in the first movie. Those are all HIS personal experiences. Best not to just brush off events in a movie because you're waiting for the next big thing. Now, if a movie, in and of itself feels lackluster, that's fair to say. Saying that it over all wasn't interesting because this or that, perfectly valid. For the longest time, this was my least favorite MCU movie because I thought the villains were not fleshed out so much and I thought we should've really felt the threat of them more.
@Stefsolari I absolutely loved the way this movie cuffuffled your brain and kept throwing you threw loops,
The faces you puled were priceless x
I think this is a lesser MCU film, but still very good.
I never thought The Dark World was the worst Marvel movie out there. I just think that they tried cramming a lot of exposition into a very limited amount of time, giving the movie kind of an unorganized, rushed feel to it. Pretty much, it could have been better produced, but as far as storyline goes, definitely not the worst of the Marvel films.
This movie introduced you to the fluid known as The Aether is the liquid form of one of the infinity stones. It affects reality
stef, the guy at the very end, the Collector, he is very old, so is his collection, you will see more of it later , and other things and people
Svartalfheim: Svart = Black or Dark, Alf = Elf, Heim = Home
It's Nordic influenced like Thor in general is supposed to be. The name is directly from Nordic 13th century mythology.
Loki was my first diamond character, absolute slayer
Stef-48:27 "You've got to be shitting my pants!"
Us-"Yes. we are shitting your pants." LMAO
One cool thing about Chris is that he only kisses his wife. That was her he kissed in this movie.
In the Scandinavian myths, Thor and Sif are married and have a daughter.
You mention that Malekith reminded you of the "Lord of the Rings."
It actually works the other way.
Tolkien drew a lot of inspiration from the myths and fairy tales from ancient, pre-Christian German and Scandinavian culture. 🙂
"Svartalf" means "dark elf," and "heim" means "land of."
When a catastrophe happens in the Marvel universe, that just means it's a Tuesday.
Nah. This film isn't bad.
Love & Thunder is *bad* bad, but this one isn't.
I do agree with the (somewhat general) perception that the relationship between Thor and Jane didn't really worked the way they expected, with the fact that the Jane character is one of, if not THE, main love interest of Thor from the comics in general... I'm one of the viewers who thinks that they should've gone full steam ahead with Thor's relationship with Lady Sif after the first movie when people said that they didn't really connect with Thor and Jane's romantic relationship (certainly after this movie it would make even more sense)... The curious part is that it has been said over the years that there was an early version of the script for this movie where the "triangle" and Sif's feelings for Thor played a little bit of a bigger role in the story... I 1000% would prefer Thor to be with Sif... It would make much more sense and can also lead to good scenarios and storytelling... The God of Thunder & The Goddess of War
We have entered the rise of the MCU
You've seen Ragnarok, you know where Odin is.
We all love Loki
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person in the world that loves this movie.
I’ve loved this movie since it came out. Is it the best? Absolutely not, but given the recent MCU, it’s made appreciate this movie so much more. Loki is top 5 characters in the MCU.
I also love this movie and have loved it since it came out. So you’re not alone :)
Spiderman and some other Marvel superheroes got started in 1963. So did I. So I grew up reading these comics. By the mid 70s the story lines were intense and dramatic. I say this to highlight how good a job the MCU has done to amalgamate all the stories and histories of these characters from the last 60 years into movies that current audiences can follow and even form attachments to. For those who say that this movie or that movie is the worst or least one, I'd say that you've got to remember that they are all a part of a much bigger picture.
The exposition required her to fall through space to find the Ether.
Loki: HA GOT EM
I honestly love mythology and lore so Thor movies never bore me, I always appreciated the laughs in these earlier ones specifically keeping the serious parts and sprinkling in the humor. Not my favorite Avenger, but probably 2nd.
Can't wait for Captain America The Winter Soldier.
1 down, 5 to go! Go Collector go! He just wants them for his Collection... right?
Hi Steph. Great reaction! Remember that these movies are early on. Nobody knows about Thanos or the infinity stones yet except comic readers. Even they are not sure how those comics will translate to film or how much marvel will stick to them. So each movie is building out the universe and dropping hints of what's to come, but also focusing on one corner of the marvel universe and introducing us to more characters or teaching us more about the ones we've met. So far as why the avengers haven't arrived to save the day - they are not just waiting around for things to happen. They have only worked together once at this stage and even later on when they are actively intervening, lots and lots of things are happening all at the same time. These films show us some of the things that are happening and some of them make it more obvious when they are taking place in the timeline as well.
Love to see you going back through these movies as well. I'm a huge Loki fan too so i'm hoping you one day react to his show.
Cheers.
Loki is the best. The Real GOAT 🤍💚
Great reaction! 😊
This is one of those movies where the more I watch it the more I like it. Loki will always 100% be the best part of this movie.
I love Natalie Portman's Asgardian wardrobe in this movie. It gives "Star Wars Episode 2" Naboo wardrobe vibes.
RIP to Frigga, Queen of Asgard. 😭
31:40 - 33:27 The best part of the whole movie. LOL!
Loved Stef's reaction to the Loki twist reveal at the end. LOL!
Up next one of the best MCU movies "Captain America: The Winter Soldier".
Looking forward to your next reaction. 😊
Takes a little longer than 20 minutes to get from America to London, even for the avengers. :) but I’m sure they were on their way. Might even have been sucked up by one of those anomalies like the fighter jets were
50:14 fun fact, the one kissing Chris is actually his wife Elsa and not Natalie Portman since she wasn't able to make to the reshoots
Yep
That's kinda odd and refreshing at the same time: I know both 😉 Natalie Portman and Chris have excellent social skills and chemistry(even though they are both actors) but I wouldn't be comfortable with another woman or another individual kissing my partner 😅.. "just no,just just no no ."
Best aspect of this movie was Thor and Loki dynamic. Loki was not once a bad guy in that movie if you think about it. Polt wise the villain was weak and the plot was not good because they wanted jane to do something and not be the mistress in distress, but that failed . because Jane is human and all the other Gods and Dark Elves.
This is really the first film where they assume that you know a lot of background from the Thor comics. If you don't have that background knowledge it make the movie feel a lot more disjointed. I think that this is a reason that a lot of people didn't rank this one very highly. From a story perspective this one really is a lynchpin for a lot that is to come.
So, Stef, you asked about the connection between this movie and the overall saga. I think it’s more a character building movie, relations between Thor, Loki, Odin and Friga and that influence on future movies. Of course, the aether will enter into the plot of future movies in the hands of the Collector. So glad you liked. On to CA, Winter Soldier. 👍🏻😊 Good intuitive foresight at 42:35 on “wanting them to think he’s dead”. And Stef, you didn’t recognize Benicio Del Toro as the Collector? Stef! Loki’s death was a projection illusion; after all he is the God of Mischief. Avengers don’t respond to every conflict or disaster. It just doesn’t serve the saga to have a team up every movie.
So glad you git back into the MCU Stef!
To be fair almost everything happen out of earth, when they came to earth the fight happen in the moment it would give time to put the avengers together, remember in avengers 1 it took like a day to put together the team
Yep. It will all come together for you. Thanks for helping us relive the saga. I love your attention to details. They are necessary.
I personally think this film is over-hated as well. It also plays a significant role later on. And, it's at this point that things really start to connect and get REALLY good moving forward. Enjoy!
You may want to avoid confusing MCU movies with Marvel associated movies. Ghost Rider, The Amazing Spider-Man & other Spider-Man adjacent movies are part of Sony movies branch of Marvel, while Blade was part of New Line Cinema's branch & Mutant-stories plus the distribution of Fantastic-4 are part of the 20th Century Fox branch, then Hulk & Sub-Mariner were licensed to Paramount. This all happened because Marvel was in financial trouble at one time. They sold off a bunch of their characters for "movie rights only" to various studios. As a result the love story in The Amazing Spider-Man came from Sony not Marvel.
55:00 - How quickly do you think the Avengers move? The whole climax took maybe an hour. It's not like they're all sitting around in a ready room waiting for a batsignal or something.
Especially because these films take place in the time they were released. So thor was dealing with this whilst iron man was dealing with anxiety and cap was dealing with whatever happens in the next film. Its all basically simultaneous
Tony Stark is probably still recovering from open-heart surgery. And none of the Avengers (other than Thor) have any experience with "mystical, mythological" threats like this.
Sif and Thor are lovers in the comics.
Don't forget to include the Spider-man entries, last I checked they weren't on the Disney+ list, so you'll have to attain them elsewise! (they're great, so don't hesitate to buy them!)
I have no problems with Thor: The Dark World. In fact, one of the upcoming films actually makes this a better film. This film is very important in the overall storyline, and the film is heavy with exposition, but it’s all important information eventually.
Loki is a master of illusions, feigning his injury and death wouldn't have been difficult for him
Other Avengers (or SHIELD) not coming to help only means they are somewhere else busy with their own missions or problems and would not even be aware of what’s happening in this movie. But simplest reason is, it wouldn’t be a Thor movie if he needed other heroes to defeat the movie’s villain. This goes for any solo Marvel hero movie. It would only be an Avengers movie if a situation needed for all of them to defeat it. 😁
You will find out about the Collector two movies ahead. Of the first 3 Thor movies I'd rank this last, but I liked it better on rewatching than I did the first time. The director of this movie also directed multiple episodes of Game of Thrones including the one where Ned was executed in the first season.
A "painting" session sounds like a terrific idea to me!
Next Captain American The Winter Soldier. Oh yeah, she gonna be love that 🎯
You make a good point. It is crazy how all this crap is happening like in New York. And.... where are the other Avengers? Liiiiike...... >______>
stef, i think that alien ship might have appeared and the final battle only took as long as that group of scenes did for the movie, so the avengers if they did see that ship on tv, it would have taken them a couple hours to fly to england, and by that time, the movie/battle was over and the alien ship was on another planet
The ‘weak spots’ were random. Jane tried to open them but didn’t know where it would open to.
Marvel has had many artists and writers throughout their comic book history. Which means many versions of characters and stories. Marvel Studios had a specific story to tell that spanned multiple characters and comic issues. Trimming the story or changing things slightly rubs some fans the wrong way. There are movies that fall into that category.
See you in the next one or the painter post.. ✌️🥰
Let's 'dive' more into this 'Thor thing'.....
Loved your reaction at the end when Loki revealed himself!
If you've got people telling you what's going to happen, or even telling you if a movie is good or bad before you watch it, I don't think those are fans. People that truly want to see a blind reaction won't tell you anything about what's coming up, so that it doesn't get ruined. 🤷🏻♂️
You are going to love the rest of the THOR movies Ragnarok was especially amazing. You are amazing keep up the great work
The lack of chemistry between Thor and Jane has been debated extensively. Many are not fans of the relationship.
Your first comment in the end credit scene reminded me of,
“What is this a P.F. Chang’s?” 🤣🤣🤣 IYKYK
I agree with you that there is a lack of chemistry between Thor and Jane. The relationship just doesn't work like Tony and Pepper or Steve & Peggy, or even Bruce & Betty. Or any of the other relationships in the upcoming movies. No spoilers! You'll have to discover them for yourself.
This is far from the worst MCU movie. It's not even the worst in phases 1-3. It might be the worst specifically in phase 2 - but that's a pretty high bar. IMO, the main problem is the villain - just generically evil-for-evil's-sake, not at all interesting, like Loki or most of the other MCU villains.
The Collector is an odd case. He's neither a good guy nor a bad guy. Without going into too much detail, he's just obsessed with his collection. He's not trying to conquer the universe or kill anyone, or anything like that.
35:50 The Aether is one of the Infinity Stones, so yeah this is definitely advancing the MCU's big picture plotline if thats what you want to call it
stef , when this was in the movie theaters, lots of people went to this as a date movie
Agree the movie isn't the worst Marvel movie. Know of some people who think this is one of the best.
Lack of chemistry between Chris Hemsworth and Natalie Portman has been evident since the first Thor movie. Not that they are bad actors. Both are excellent actors.
Christopher Eccleston is a very good actor. The suit they had him in restricts his motion making him less menacing.
Portals and swapping between the different realms can be confusing. It seems there are no rules in where they pop up. Reality is portals are random during the Convergence until the realms are perfectly aligned. They made clever use of this having the portals send characters to different locations. Loved Thor's hammer leaving Earth to head to Elfland Svartalfheim. Then back to Earth when Thor and Malekith portaled back to the Gherkin skyscraper. That was very clever.
Even with these flaws the movie is still enjoyable. The interaction between Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston is perfect. The cast does great. Of course, Loki fooled Thor into thinking he was dead. Apparently Thor did flunk out of Med School.
The big rock guy Thor smashed in the fight is a Kronan. Rock beats scissors. Scissors beat paper. Paper beats rock. Hammers also beat rocks and scissors. But can hammer beat paper?
@@dsfddsgh I do appreciate your sentiment, but this is too spoilery. Please delete. Thank you.
The Aether demon "Kurse" is so badass, able to deviate Mjolnir in flight!
Avengers couldnt be there for 2 reasons. first , it all happened too quick , even the avengers needs time to go from DC to London. And the second one is that , this is a Thor movie 😁. Same thing happens in the comics , so many times we readers asked "soooo why spiderman fights him that is overpowered but never calls hulk!"
I promise you this film is relevant to the main plot of this entire chain of movies. Its just this one is not as obvious until u watch everything else
Love loki ❤❤❤❤
The battle in London happened pretty fast. They might not of had time to get there. Also the same thing can be said of Ironman 3.
I love how Stef calls it the esthar like from final fantasy 8 haha a good ode to it 😅😊❤
Hello 👋 Miss Stef !!! As always the like button 🔳 has been Illuminated 😊
Jane had no way of tracking anyone.
not to be overlooked.. Odin and his wife were in love for at least 4000 years
Agreed, the music in this one is fantastic. ^___^
You're in for an incredible ride with the next movie.
Your intro music is always a welcome sound!
stef, i like this movie because it's a mix of swords and sorcery and sci fi, like that movie called star wars
Loved your reaction to the end 😂
you can always ask why the avengers didn't help. The avengers could've helped Tony fight the mandarin too. the movie isn't about the avengers. that's pretty much the reason why they weren't in it or don't show up in future movies. That's all really. that and they all went their separate ways at the end of the avengers. I believe this takes place a few weeks after that.
People are weird when it comes to media takes. If something isn't perfect, it's terrible. Or in the case of this movie, if the villain is pretty boring and one note (if that), then the movie sucls. Apparently.
I disagree. I agree Malekith isn't an interesting villain in this film, but I don't think that makes the movie bad. There are plenty of movies with uninteresting villains that are near universally loved. Like, basically any horror movie ever, because horror movies kinda suck as far as movies go (and I say that as a horror fan).
I also don't think Jane and Thor have much chemistry in this film, much like with the first film, but part of that is due to directing. Chris Hemsworth was also fairly new to acting in the first film (compared to Natalie Portman, that is), and in this film Natalie grew kinda upset behind the scenes because she felt her character was underserved. She had such a terrible time working on this film that she didn't come back for the third Thor film, or any other MCU film until the fourth Thor movie, Love and Thunder. You're not there, yet, but I must say that Natalie and Chris actually have chemistry in that film.
Bottom line, I think this film is massively underrated. It's easily one of the most fun films in the MCU, and that should count for something.
The music from the first two Thor films are excellent imo
This movie was ok love the Stef stay motivated Dream big 1 mill on the way can’t wait to see you react to Captain America, the Winter soldier.