The Somaskanda sculptures - The story of the missing Ganesha | Mamallapuram
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- The Somaskanda was a popular icon during the Pallava period. You can see it sculpted on the walls of the Atiranachanda Cave temple, the Shore temple and many other 7th-8th century monuments at Mamallapuram, Tamil Nadu. You can also see many spectacular Chola-period bronzes of the Somaskanda at the Egmore Museum in Chennai. The icon represents Shiva, the god of destruction, his wife Parvati, and their son, the ancient warrior god, Muruga. The picture, though, seems a little incomplete, doesn’t it? There’s someone missing from this family portrait. Why did the sculptors leave Ganesha out?
This short video explores some possible answers as it takes you on a journey through the changing religious landscape in Pallava territories during the first 1000 years of the common era.
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In Alagramam village , villupuram district, Tamilnadu there is an early vinayaga sculpture with 4rth CE inscription on it, athis idol was identified as earliest Vinayaga in Tamilnadu by Scholar Iravatham Mahadevan.
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Shiva is not only limited as god of destruction
But he is the suprme lord who is Sat-Chit-Ananda Sarveshwar Bhagwan Sadashiva Mahadeva.
Shiva means Atma/Parmatma
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If a person is absent in a family photo, that doesn't mean they don't have any relationship with him. In some Vinayaka temples Shiva is absent, that doesn't mean, those who constructed that temple don't know Shiva. Temples or deities in those temples were constructed depending on context and events.
As they said vinayaga came later them Murugan or shivan
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Sangam literature often depicts Murugan as Tamil God (and takes His Vel (Spear) as the symbol of their kingdoms). Ganesha on the other hand was more popular in the North, being associated with writing Mahabratha Epic.
Ganesha was hijacked from Aseevakam Tamil naadu
@@vasanthasrikantha6512 your brain was hijacked it seems😂
Ganesha is not a vaccine to inject😀
Nowadays we see Ayappa and Sai getting popular due to adoption.
Ganesha is the oldest god named in Tulu oral literature ( the Pad'daanas)
Ganesha did not wrote MB because...
He doesn't exist😂
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@@StorytrailsChannel beautiful lies
Very interesting video especially the bhakti movement
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Ganesha is the cutest in the pantheon, and after visiting the Puducherry Vinayaga temple, I have truly fallen in love with legends which speak of Ganesha.
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In this video, when there is a mention about tamil naalwar, Sundarar is mentioned as Chandikeshwarar. Is there a story behind that?
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the pallavas made the soma Skanda statue because those days more and more people followed Jainism and Buddhism which stresses on renunciation of worldly pleasures including family .Hence Pallavas made the soma Skanda statues to motivate people to enter household and familyhood
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What you consider Lord Murugan in sountern states, we consider him as Lord Kartik in Bengal.😊😊😊
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2:23 Shiva name was absent but In Tamilnadu the earliest references to the worship of Shiva date back to the Sangam period(600 B.C to 300 C.E). Sangam literature, which comprises the ‘Ettuthogai’ (or the Eight Anthologies)(300B.C) and ‘Pathupaatu’ (or the Ten Idylls), are replete with references to Shiva.
The anthologies which are a part of ‘Ettuthogai’(300B.C) contain vivid descriptions of the various attributes of Shiva.A song in ‘Agananuru’ speaks of Him as the God with the ‘third eye’ on his forehead’. Similarly, the ‘Kalithogai’ hails Him as the Lord who bears the ganges on his head. The invocatory verses in ‘Aingurunuru’, ‘Kalithogai’, ‘Agananuru’ and ‘Purananuru’ celebrate the greatness of Shiva. These texts also have numerous references to puranas associated with the cult of Shiva. Some of the anthologies in ‘Ettuthogai’ allude to the festivals and rituals associated with Shiva. The ‘Paripadal’ speaks of the festival of Thiruvathirai, while a verse in ‘Agananuru’ mentions the ‘Velan Veriyaattu’, a ritual dance associated with saivism.
Very nice🤙🙏 Shiva is the Adi guru and was in Harappa site also. Hope they correct the video and stop misinformation🙏
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Very interesting observations :)
Thank you :)
Hinduism name is just 200 year's old, given by British, these sculptures are TAMIL CULTURE SAIVAM
Thank you. Very factual narration of history. What happened to the all Jain Buddhist temples described around that time? Why they don’t exist anymore?
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I believe there are references to shiva in sangam literature like in puranaanuru and akanaanuru but there isn’t any explicit mention. The god is only mentioned implicitly like the one with long hair or the one under a banyan tree. Correct me if I’m wrong.
I want to know how do we relate these gods mentioned in Sangam literature to the Vedic & Puranic gods? Are there any common characteristics or references?
Dude I think it's mixed up, Vedas has Devas such as Indra, Varuna, Vayu, Agni, etc but also the Ultimate and Supreme, Lord Vishnu, Lord Shiva, Durga Mata, but we don't find Indra, Varuna,etc or even Lord Brahma being worshipped here in other parts of India, whereas South India do have Lord Varuna, Lord Murugan.
There's nothing we can say, cause Hinduism as even today, got evolved as individual and community beliefs.
Interesting
The pantheon is borrowed and expanded as different human groups came.
Vinayaga called in the name of pillaiyar in tamilnadu. There's pillaiyar temple in thirunangur which was installed by Rama and worshipped by him.
How about introducing yourself? very good presentation. Thanks
Thank you :) And point taken. The presenters in this video are Sara Mohan and Vijay Prabhat Kamalakara.
What is the female anchor’s name?
Thanks
Shiva is not the God of destruction. Please understand 12 Thirumuraigal before calling Shiva is the God of destruction. The concept of Shiva is auspicious and performs 5 functions Formation, Transformation, dissolution, concealing, and revealing.
Downgrading Sivan is not good. In the future if they speak up rama, I want to take the spear to them.
What about the Pillayarpatti rock-cut Ganesha? What about the Ganesha in Alagramam temple in Villupuram district?
yeah. What *about* them?
Read sivaramamurti shiva in art dance and literature...shiva is the lord of creation. Sustenance and destruction in shiva Siddhan ta
Ganesh statue brough from Vatabi, where is it now.
Important detail: sa + umā + skanda = somāskanda, not somaskanda.
thanks
When I visited mahabalipuram I looked at that sculptures and wondered why Ganesha is missing and there were two couples (foreign origin)from Karnataka were asking the same question .. Now I got the answer why Ganesha is missing. 😅
In Thamil Ganesh or Ghana Eeswar or the Commander of Ghanam's of the Theva forces is know as "Kuncharam Udayar". Pillaiyar his other name is given to "Pillaiyar Patti" where he was born. Somaskanda has an another name called "Alla vaya Udayar" who is the husband of Mathurai Meen Atchi the Udayal. Murugan's vaganam the Rooster is know as "Murugi" in the North, his favorite tree is know as Murungai Kai where as his Vaganam is know as "Sev Vel". Some people have lost the language and some have kept the language is the outcome.
No. Vinayakar was a symbol of Aaseevagam and it wasn't incorporated into Hinduism until the Bhakthi period. Pillayarpatti is a temple from the Sangam age and Vinayaka was always there in the Tamil Regions.
Shiva should have references even before that right? What about Nayanmargal and Thirumandiram?
Shiva gave ganesha north india and kartikeya south india. Ganesha visit kartikeya as guest for 10 days maharashtra people celebrate ganapati and two gaury some part of karnataka andhra also . South people did not know about ganesha married or single and north people did not know kartikeya is married . In north only single ganesha murty is worshiped at temple they dont celebrate ganesh chaturthi like maharashtra thats reason . South people know more kartikeya than ganesha . In mumbai many north indians now celebrate ganesh chaturthi.
I have one request/suggestion
'Hindu' is a word not native to this land
'Hindu-Ism' was a misinterpretation of the native culture, later conceptualized as a religion and then propagated until it happened to look like a religion. Same with Jainism Buddhism
Why should we not call this land for what it is? A land of liberation
Different ways of life undertaken for one purpose. also this land celebrates life through its stories
Siva chopped off Ganesha's head and replaced it with an elephant's head. Parvati had made him from the sandlewood paste.
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Please tell in the next video that the origin of the idol of Nataraja in Tamil Nadu is also Badami from Karnataka.
Gudimallam has a fourth century BC Shiva temple. Gudimallam is at northern tip of the Tamil country. Kalahasti, also nearby was an important early Shaiva/Kapalika centre.
The Rudraprashna is in the Yajur Veda. It is however true that Rudra with the Blue Throat is important and the expression Shiva (The Auspicious One) is used sparingly.
According to Yuvraj Kishan in his comprehensive book on Ganesha, the Ganapati-Atharva-Sheersha-Upanishad is a post-Vedic text and is not a proper Upanishad, but merely named as such.
The first statues of Kartikeya/Subrahmanya/Muruga are from the Kashmir and Khyber areas and show a handsome young god with a peacock.
The Great Goddess and innumerable local and regional Goddesses are pretty much acknowledged as the same or as sisters or as differing aspects and so on.
We evolve, we change and so do our divinities.
@juniper7905 I am a tamil myself, and I don’t think it matters one bit who settled where first. What matters is what we are now.
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All scriptures about Ganesha are nor just "post-Vedic" but simply medieval. Why? Because he is a medieval Deity.
Madhukar Keshav Dhavalikar, M.A., Ph.D. (University of Poona) explained in 2016 trough his his book about Ganesha (Gaṇeśa: The God of Asia), the rise of the elephant- headed divinity from a sacred animal and an animal totem to the exalted position of a cult deity in Hinduism in the classical medieval era. At first he was known outside of Hinduism as vighma-karta (obstacle-creator) but became a vighna-harta (obstacle-remover) in Hinduism.
How did his happen?
Siddhānta astrology, which became dominant under Babylonian and Greek influence around the third century A.D. added a new dimension to the cosmic evil with which men had to contend: the planetary forces that were believed to shape an individual’s destiny. As protection against inauspicious movements of the Navagrahas, the nine heavenly bodies, the most effective counter-measures were held to be the performance of special, elaborate rituals, the graha pūjā or graha hōma - which weren’t always accessible. Thus the worship of other protective gods and goddesses was formalized to meet the needs of all socal classes. The cult of Vināyaka or Gaṇeśa became the most successful of these substitutes called on to meet the threats of both terrestrial and planetary forces of evil for many by which Vināyaka or Gaṇeśa became known as vighna-harta (obstacle-remover) and became more populair among the ‘lower’ social classes.
Note that he was at first absorbed in Shaivism through interpolated Puranas as an independent cult with Ganesha as the primary deity was well established by about the 10th century and after that time the most populair scriptures around Ganesha; Ganesha Purana and the Mudgala Purana which are verly late and interpolated puranas. Some scholars say the core of it came into existence around the 12th and 13th centuries, being subject to interpolations during the succeeding ages. R. Stevenson, in contrast, suggests the text was likely written in or after the 17th-century after having studies this purana. Every other scripture which mentiones Ganesha is from the classical mediaval Era (post-Gupta) hence, you will not find him in the spiritual Epics (viz. Rāmāyaṇa nor the Mahābhārata) which are Pre-Gupta.
Madhukar Keshav Dhavalikar, M.A., Ph.D. (University of Poona) explained in 2016 trough his his book about Ganesha (Gaṇeśa: The God of Asia), the rise of the elephant- headed divinity from a sacred animal and an animal totem to the exalted position of a cult deity in Hinduism in the classical medieval era. At first he was known outside of Hinduism as vighma-karta (obstacle-creator) but became a vighna-harta (obstacle-remover) in Hinduism.
How did his happen?
Siddhānta astrology, which became dominant under Babylonian and Greek influence around the third century A.D. added a new dimension to the cosmic evil with which men had to contend: the planetary forces that were believed to shape an individual’s destiny. As protection against inauspicious movements of the Navagrahas, the nine heavenly bodies, the most effective counter-measures were held to be the performance of special, elaborate rituals, the graha pūjā or graha hōma - which weren’t always accessible. Thus the worship of other protective gods and goddesses was formalized to meet the needs of all socal classes. The cult of Vināyaka or Gaṇeśa became the most successful of these substitutes called on to meet the threats of both terrestrial and planetary forces of evil for many by which Vināyaka or Gaṇeśa became known as vighna-harta (obstacle-remover) and became more populair among the ‘lower’ social classes.
Note that he was at first absorbed in Shaivism through interpolated Puranas as an independent cult with Ganesha as the primary deity was well established by about the 10th century and after that time the most populair scriptures around Ganesha; Ganesha Purana and the Mudgala Purana which are verly late and interpolated puranas. Some scholars say the core of it came into existence around the 12th and 13th centuries, being subject to interpolations during the succeeding ages. R. Stevenson, in contrast, suggests the text was likely written in or after the 17th-century after having studies this purana. Every other scripture which mentiones Ganesha is from the classical mediaval Era (post-Gupta) hence, you will not find him in the spiritual Epics (viz. Rāmāyaṇa nor the Mahābhārata) which are Pre-Gupta.
@@krisc3371 chalukyas who introduced in Deccan region then pallavas adopted 'Ganesa' in south Deccan
Don't say it was HINDUISM, it's the latest name given .. The religion which coexist with Buddhism and Jainism was Saivism.. and it still exists but in the name of HINDUISM.. Hinduism is the recent name.. Saivism and Vainavism was the older Tamil religions..
It is not just a stone lingham. It is Basalt.
Mayon is not Vishnu, later adoption only, Which is why Shiva was missing in Sangam literature.
WTF you have to define in Colonial terms, 'Shiva, the god of destruction' ?????
Exactly😂
Make a detailed video on jainism please
What is the oldest evidence available till today coz still wherever a digging happens jain statues scriptures we are getting
Jainism was also found in harrppan mohan jodaro civilisation
Make a detailed video please coz once in south India jainism was on peak
Nd reason for declining also
Jainism has lot nd lot of impact on today’s indian society nd their thought process
Once it was biggest religion nd then suddenly it declined like 50% to 0.1% what is the reason
Thanks for doing interesting videos based on archeology. In this video video you state that Shiva was not mentioned in Sangam literature. This contradicts with your other video on Brahmi script where you say Harappa scripts were found in archialogical finds in Vaigai areas. Harapppans worshipped Shiva/Shakti Are you saying they got only the script and not Shiva?
Shiva is the oldest in our Hindu pantheon. So what you say in this video makes little sense.
Pillayarpati and alagramam ganesh were older than vatapi ganapati..pls do your research clearly
TIL!!
ancient old name is pale kannadam Karnataka kingdom❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Modern name is Tamil nadu😂😂😂 😢😢😢 😅😅😅
Tulsidas was under the Mughals and was more worried about promoting Brahmavad (cows) and saving Ram idols from the Mughals, not Hinduism. Jains collectively decided in the 13th century to become vegetarian and slowly commit suicide to finish Janinism on the orders of Ashadhara. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu also spread Brahmavad (cows) and Krishnanism, not Hinduism. He adopted ideas from Jainism and supported a Brahmanical diet called Satvic.
Wh y there is no GOD in vedas
lol budda not like idols@@iamgreat151
Kumar
Skanda
Kartikeya
Make a detailed video on jainism please
What is the oldest evidence available till today coz still wherever a digging happens jain statues scriptures we are getting
Jainism was also found in harrppan mohan jodaro civilisation
Make a detailed video please coz once in south India jainism was on peak
Nd reason for declining also
Nd please make a video without any false information
Coz I believe jainism is more old nd then it got separated in hinduism
Lord Ganesha comes from Vajrayana Buddhism branches.
This panal Mamallaphuram
I'm not sure of your source of Shiva's history. My reading suggests that there is evidence that Shiva was worshipped at Indus Valley Civilization.
Im sorry bro .three are no related .....( Mean lord shiva ,Muruga,Ganesha)
🙏🙏🪔
God Shiva not known??. Get your facts correct before blabbering. 1st sangam was presided by God Shiva himself as Sundara pandiya king at kumari kandam. Poet was Agasthiyar who gave first grammer to Tamil. Sangam literature describes God Shiva as "Pirava yaakkai periyon" means "Never birthed Mahadev". How did you say God Shiva was not mentioned in sangam literature.
In Tamil land, since ages, the word God/Eshwara will always refer to Shiva only.
Bhakthi movement spread from Tamil Nadu to other parts of the India is exaggerated stmt
Bhakthi movement started from tamilagam to Northern parts
It is misleading, the fossils of dinosaurs' giant eggs were presumed by humans as ling of something which was beyond their knowledge and perceptions, and hence ended up as usual worshipping it.
Gudimallam temple lingam is said to be the oldest lingam in India. Very close to Tirupati. But you claim Shiva worship in South India happened after 5th Century CE. Get your facts right before publishing
@3.43 outplayed caste 🤣🤣🤣 from that time onward casteism become rampant
That Ganesh/Kumar story and understanding is incorrect
The meaning of the story ridicules almost everything you said
But then I guess the Slavers did a good job or eradicating the understanding of the story
These stories and not properly researched. Just that the presentation being good, doesn't mean that the script was too. Weak writing.
foncusing
We are not Hindu.. we are Not Muslim and Christen.. that means not we are hindu.. then who we are?
that is yet to explain..
Ganesha came as a competition to Buddhists elephant. Any thing original from non-Vedic the Vedic people bring thousands of new Puranas to diminish the value of the original. Why no good original religious scriptures in Sanskrit in the last 2000 years.
I think you right.
Ganesha is fake hindu deva😂
Madhukar Keshav Dhavalikar, M.A., Ph.D. (University of Poona) explained in 2016 trough his his book about Ganesha (Gaṇeśa: The God of Asia), the rise of the elephant- headed divinity from a sacred animal and an animal totem to the exalted position of a cult deity in Hinduism in the classical medieval era. At first he was known outside of Hinduism as vighna-karta (obstacle-creator) but became a vighna-harta (obstacle-remover) in Hinduism.
How did his happen?
Siddhānta astrology, which became dominant under Babylonian and Greek influence around the third century A.D. added a new dimension to the cosmic evil with which men had to contend: the planetary forces that were believed to shape an individual’s destiny. As protection against inauspicious movements of the Navagrahas, the nine heavenly bodies, the most effective counter-measures were held to be the performance of special, elaborate rituals, the graha pūjā or graha hōma - which weren’t always accessible. Thus the worship of other protective gods and goddesses was formalized to meet the needs of all socal classes. The cult of Vināyaka or Gaṇeśa became the most successful of these substitutes called on to meet the threats of both terrestrial and planetary forces of evil for many by which Vinayaka or Ganesha became known as vighna-harta (obstacle-remover) and became more populair among the ‘lower’ social classes.
Note that he was at first absorbed in Shaivism through interpolated Puranas as an independent cult with Ganesha as the primary deity was well established by about the 10th century and after that time the most populair scriptures around Ganesha; Ganesha Purana and the Mudgala Purana which are verly late and interpolated puranas. Some scholars say the core of it came into existence around the 12th and 13th centuries, being subject to interpolations during the succeeding ages. R. Stevenson, in contrast, suggests the text was likely written in or after the 17th-century after having studies this purana. Every other scripture which mentions Ganesha is from the classical medieval Era (post-Gupta) hence, you will not find him in the spiritual Epics (viz. Rāmāyaṇa nor the Mahābhārata) which are Pre-Gupta.
So these people didn't read MAHABHARATHAM and its DOCUMENTER 😂😂😂
@@prabhakar0076 Ganesha as Mahabharat scribe is later interpolation, We r not like you who believes everything blindly 😆
Would you name your forefathers, ancestors with the name you give now? NO RIGHT.. then why are you naming the older religions as HINDUISM when. It was SAIVISM (& VAINAVISM) ...SPEAK THE FACT AS IS WITH THE PERIOD NOT CORELATE WITH THE LATER PERIOD. THEN THE HISTORY WILL BECOME FALSE
misleading to say the least
Budhist sripture
you are totally wrong! Elephant was the symbol of Aseevakam, a religion that existed in Tamil Nadu long before Hinduism, and it is the elephant-headed god was hijacked to Hinduism as Shiva's son, a fake Purana story.
Fake id convert spotted .. can you present any historical reference for ur propaganda ??
Sound stupid hinduism did not exist in That time itvwas way of live maby you need learn more and listen to sadhguru
Lot of conjectures in this video. Avvaiyar who belonged to the sangam period sang in praise of Ganesha long before Pallavas. She in fact asks a boon from Karimuga Ganapathy which bestows on her mastery of 'Sanga' Tamil Language. She also wrote the Vinayagar Agaval. So this part of the video is just DMK propoganda.