In the 1930's, our football team traveled to Mexico to see actual bullfighting. The head coach thought it was so inhumane, that he believed we should never be called the Matadors again. Dude was ahead of his time
Matadors is still in the school song and involved throughout a ton of the current Texas Tech campus, memorabilia, lore, history, tradition etc. They do a really nice job of connecting the two names.
Personally, I think this Dust Bowl rivalry between Oklahoma State & Texas Tech could become a real rivalry down the line. First of all, with the Sooners & Longhorns leaving for the SEC, if anyone replaces Oklahoma & Texas as the Big 12's marquee teams, it might as well be Oklahoma State & Texas Tech. Plus, both of these teams are about pass-first, wide-open offenses, which is my favorite style of football. Finally, Mike Gundy is still coaching OK State. ("COME AFTER ME! I'M A MAN! I'M 40!")
As a Red Raider, our traditional rival was Texas A&M, but that was ruined by UT. The UT rivalry was manufactured by the Big XII after the departure of the Farmers for greener money… I mean pastures. It was more of a strange threesome of dislike between the three universities, though, since A&M considered UT as their rival, but Texas never cared about A&M. Meanwhile, Tech considered A&M as our rivals, but A&M acted like they didn’t care.
OSU and OU's rivalry is sort of similar. It's like winning a National Championship when OU wins, but they suddenly don't care "because it's not a real rivalry" when they lose.
As a Pokes fan here, I would love to see this become a rivalry game (especially with OU leaving). The jilted lovers comment is a good point, and personally I have always sensed a lot of hostility from the tech side (and vice versa) at both football and basketball games. While there is no traditional beef, I just HATE losing to tech more than any team in the B12 today. A shame we don't play them every year anymore. Edit: The agriculture quadrangle of hate probably won't occur but it definitely should.
Since you're focused on rivalries being born I think there is an interesting comparison for how to build a rivalry. When the ACC formed divisions in 2005 with the additions of BC and the year before Miami and VT, a cross divisional game was mandated. The conference forced a rivalry of BC VT, but the rivalry that actually was born was VT GT, the battle of the Techs or Techmo Bowl. The winner of the GT VT game won the coastal division the first 8 years of the division. Today VT and GT consider each other secondary rivals despite playing once before sharing a conference. Would make a great video topic
As an OSU alum, I like TT and have many friends who went there. We absolutely stole the spirit rider, the grad student who started it for us was a TT alum. Our “1 ring” is also a carbon copy that came about years after TT adopted theirs, down to having the mascot in front of the library on one side and the school seal festooned with wheat on the other. Pistol Pete is NOT NOT NOT a carbon copy of Raider Red. Both were cartoon characters penned locally, but Pistol Pete is based off of a real life cowboy named Frank Eaton.
Hope you continue on the history of conferences series. Even with the big ones left (ACC, Big 10, and SEC) I feel like there is still a lot of drama and interesting tidbits to go into.
As a Tech fan In order for this game to become a rivalry it would take okst to do something to make us very angry which isn’t hard considering we’re a highly territorial warlike fanbase. But look at tcu calling Lubbock a desert and no recruits should ever go there. That started the 🌵 emoji incident which you still see everywhere. So seeing okst killing a longhorn for the Texas game it seems very likely that they could do something similar to anger a whole fanbase. It would most likely take these teams to play at a time when both are very good though to create more animosity.
My personal opinion. In a super-conference with 16 teams or more, it would be Very fun if there was a grouping of 4 teams- in conference- that did an in-season tournament at the end of the year. They rotate the dance partners that they start with in game 1, but game 2 isn't a set schedule ahead of time. Winner plays winner, loser plays loser, and the team that wins it all gets to keep a rivalry trophy. That would be dope. That doesn't really apply here, but I will mention that the Big 12 figures to have four Texas schools in the conference going forward. Maybe maybe maybe, this is a way to generate some rivalry buzz around the conference and the state?
Was really hoping the SEC would do this.....BUT it isnt the best idea since the playoff selection committee has shown ZERO respect for conference championship games. If i ran a conference, id eliminate the championship altogether. I hate the selection committee.
As a tech fan personally I would like is too focus more on rivalries with tcu and Baylor but I have thought about this a bit with okst probably becoming on of the bigger teams in the big 12 with Texas and Oklahoma leaving so I think this could turn out to be a pretty fun rivalry to watch and I think it should be called the cowboys shoot out and whoever wins gets a old west Texas rifle
Being a sooners fan myself I see this as the little brother to the red River shootout. I think the big 12 would benefit a lot from it just like they did from the Red River rivalry.
As a TTU CASNR alum and Ag teacher, I love the idea of the "Quadrangle of Ag" but I don't think it could get as hateful as a OU/UT or Michigan/Ohio State. Ag is such a tight-knit and friendly community, I for one (and most others) often cheer for other ag schools when possible, because we're such a family, except those few schools that think they're the only viable option for a quality ag degree 🙄. It would be a fun rivalry but not a hateful one by any means. Like you said very much a fun one like Farmageddon.
As a Red Raider, I got to say it SHOULD be a rivalry. Yet, I think most in Texas, depending on where you live it's either lists Baylor or Houston as a rivalry. Yet yeah most if not all OSU traditions are very much a copy of Techs.
I have always felt OSU as a rival ever since 2007 game where Michael Crabtree drops a pass in the end zone in the final seconds. Hit him right in the hands and he drops it. Tech lost 49-45. I have always felt OSU as a rival since that game. I hate loosing to OSU. Bring on the Dust Bowl.
I think this has the chance to be a FRIENDLY rivalry, which is not something you see a lot in college football. I don't get the sense that either school hates each other. Hell - I have a dog in the fight. I'm an OSU alum, and my best friend who I was best man for at his wedding, was a TTU grad. So we both have dogs in the fight. Now that TTU and OSU are some of the oldest schools in the Big 12 that cross the Texas-Oklahoma border, it will be interesting to see this become the new "Red River Rivalry" of sorts.
I currently go to tech. 1/2 of everyone here likes OSU. When we play them now it’s just for bragging rights. I cannot really see it growing from that. Then with TCU it feels more like two teams that are annoyed at each other, cause we look at TCU as California transplants or daddy’s money, and they look at us like drunks and uneducated. It’s sad cause here at tech we pride ourselves for being one of, if not the most hostile atmospheres in the big 12, but now. There is just a little less hate around. Now all us red raiders could hope for is that one of the pac schools fucks around, and we let them find out. But yeah, you did an amazing job covering the feelings we got for those pokes.
If TTU was a good program a rivalry might actully happen but when there are no larger stories other than "we don't like them" there will never really be a rivalry.
Yeah A&M historically was our main foe. But the dust bowl is kinda a rivalry. I like beating them more than most, always have. Like you said it is an issue cause we like each other too much.
Baylor and BYU feels like whatever the opposite of a rivalry is. In a lot of ways Baylor was BYU's welcoming party into the Big 12, so they feel a lot friendlier than even just a normal exhibition would
Baylor/BYU being Baptist and Mormon schools could end up being a nice little game that is circled on each schools calendar. Now TCU/Utah with their shared time in the WAC/Mountain West before having enough success to move to a power conference could make that game spicy
Terrible take. They are unofficial rivals. The game is unofficially known as the Red Dirt Rivalry. Dust Bowl doesn’t have a ring to it. You say not being good at the same time is not the making of a rivalry. Look at the Florida - Georgia rivalry, most of the time one team is good
@@lukeontheplains Baseball wise, Texas Tech is not a rival of Oklahoma. The Amarillo Sod Poodles organization was pushing for the “rivalry” and their name of it. Oklahoma is a usual hate, not rivalry hate. Idk anyone who calls the game against Oklahoma State the Dust Bowl. I’ve only heard the Oklahoma State game called the “Red Dirt Rivalry” but what do I know I’m just a guy from Texas😂
If all college teams in Texas were in big 12 way back when college sports started it would be fun to see Houston rivalry with all teams in Texas to form a bowl best of Texas bowl lol And it’s Interesting how college teams like middle Tennessee version of a blue raider is a Pegasus while Texas tech version is a bounty hunter on a horse
In Kansas, there's a high school called Wamego that uses the nickname Red Raiders-except their Red Raiders are Native American. Interesting how "raider" can mean different things. Vegas' Raiders are pirates, MTSU's are essentially Knights, Tech's are bandits; I totally agree.
Not sure why...but i think osu vs cincy is going to be a rivaly game. If the XII was in a bar, I would expect those two to get into a fight over something eventually.
As an OSU fan, I'm not sure if it could ever become genuinely hostile, I only really hate two schools, and I dont feel like a hateful 8 school could get there. But I don think it's a good "fun rivalry" for a lack of a better term.
They're a rival, just not an intense one. The games get wild, the fans tease each other. Raider power chant could be said to be a copy of orange power, which I've seen plausible claims that say it originated with OSU. As an aside, I like the idea of rekindling border conference rivalries. Did you know, though, that Texas tech and Arizona State didn't play each other as members of the border conference? One of those weird quirks of old football, the teams never shared a schedule. In any case, the big xii knows how to hate. It's a friendly hate, like the hate that two quarreling bothers have for each other, but it's still hateful. Maybe something to do with the conference being in the Bible belt? My favorite rival for Tech is West Virginia. The two teams play each other hard in both football and basketball, and it's got history: it's the battle for John Denver's soul. Good rival.
They're not a rival at all. This series has never, ever mattered. It has never had any implications for the Big XII championship, never made a difference for recruiting, never had any cultural impact of any kind, and really almost never even produced any good games. Oklahoma State owns Texas Tech. They have for the entire Gundy era. The games are rarely ever even close. The debate over traditions is stupid manufactured nonsense by Tech fans on Twitter. The claim that Oklahoma State "stole" any of their traditions has long been debunked and Tech fans only keep stoking the embers because they're desperate for engagement. Without UT, they're on an island. No one cares about playing them because they're never in contention for the conference title and they have no strong cultural connections to anyone else. They'd have a better rivalry with UTEP. They're more on par with that team than they are with Oklahoma State.
@@kayakyakyakr It took me like 5 minutes. It wouldn't even take half that to read it aloud. The entire series can be summed up in those 2 short paragraphs. That's how insignificant it is.
Dust bowl could be fun. Cool idea for pods. Farm school Texas Tech Oklahoma St Kansas St Iowa St Mountain Division Arizona Colorado Kansas Utah Big East/American Cincinnati Houston UCF West Virginia Arizona St and Religion Arizona St BYU Baylor TCU But a correct method would be to keep 3 protected games and rotation Arizona; Arizona St, Colorado, Utah Arizona St; Arizona, BYU, Texas Tech Baylor; BYU, TCU, UCF BYU; Arizona St, Baylor, Utah Cincinnati; Houston, UCF, West Virginia Colorado; Arizona, Kansas, Utah Houston; Cincinnati, Texas Tech, UCF Iowa St; Kansas St, Oklahoma St, West Virginia Kansas; Colorado, Kansas St, West Virginia Kansas St; Iowa St, Kansas, TCU Oklahoma St; Iowa St, TCU, Texas Tech TCU; Baylor, Kansas St, Oklahoma St Texas Tech; Arizona St, Houston, Oklahoma St UCF; Baylor, Cincinnati, Houston Utah; Arizona, BYU, Colorado West Virginia; Cincinnati, Iowa St, Kansas Tried to keep Historical Rivalries, past Rivalries and Kansas st vs TCU have been heart breaking games. Oklahoma State is the trickest but since there were in the south division for year playing in texas. I figured i would keep 2 of there game in northern texas afterall.
that's Twitter. Off of Twitter it's actually significantly less heated. The only reason it's considered a "rivalry" at all is because of trolls on both sides
I don’t think the name Dust Bowl will work. And I think Tech probably doesn’t want to make a rival with someone outside of the state. The Big 12 should market the TCU/BU/TT rivalries like the military academies do. Winner gets a specially named trophy.
I live in Kansas, man. How do you think I feel about it? The other name it has is "Xerox Bowl" which is outright slanted against one of the teams. It does need a new one.
Also Texas Tech’s most hated wasn’t Texas at least at the beginning. Texas A&M and Tech absolutely hated each other always having pranks or fights break out and the series is still close
I wonder, if this does become a genuine and noteworthy rivalry could it have the unintended negative side effect of being considered the “inferior” red river rivalry. Also…I need them to bring back games in Tokyo!
Texas aTm and Tech (as much as the ags hate to admit it) were neck and neck. Texas owns aTm but not Texas Tech. Once Tech joined the SWC up until the ags left to the sec, Tech won more games. I was hoping the B12 would protect the OSU/Tech game and make it a yearly match up. (Home and home) not neutral ut/ou bs. It just made sense. The two programs could build a solid rivalry if the game was played every year. Both teams have the potential to be perennial conference contenders. The game would have large stakes. But Tech got f’d as usual (probably didn’t even stand up for itself) and got zero protected games moving forward. Nothing to see here
UT earned hate from Tech for too many reasons to list. We had close series in all sports vs aTm but they got so bent out of shape losing to Tech despite having so much more $ it became no fun. That Tokyo Bowl game , while I was a Tech student, was one of the best games no one got to see. IMO Tech will never sports hate any future Big 12 team because they can never be as arrogant as UT or as lame as aTm. GUNS UP!
I love the idea for the quad of ag. we could even make some names like OSU vs ISU as the Upset Bowl (cuz we upset osu every time they are good), or K-State vs Texas Tech, Battle for Tornado Alley. idk
When I was a kid I always internally referred to K-State / West Virginia as the Country Roads Rivalry. For some reason I took the 2012 game as evidence of a rivalry existing even though they hardly played each other until then, and that since Kansas had roads in the country it was a fitting name. There's a cool name for just about every game in the conference even if it isn't a rivalry
I think the Big 12 will try and force the rivalry. I don't think will ever reach the level of Bedlam on the OSU side but I can see it more growing into a friendly sibling rivalry that will give fans of both sides a chance to give each other crap for a week and then go hangout for a beer with each other after the game
If you want a nod to history then take Texas Tech and either of the 2 Arizona schools because they were all in the Border Conference. With historic rivals being thrown away left and right these days this is a golden opportunity.
I do hope The Dust Bowl becomes a real rivalry. They could become the next Red River rivalry with how strong both of each teams offenses have been. And i always thought of them having similar cultures so maybe they will see who is the better of each team. But we will have to see, but i do think they could maybe make a trophy to help make the game more official?
Honestly the two like each other too much. Tech and OSU both suffer from being second(or in tech’s case third) fiddle to more successful or richer schools. However I can see a rivalry forming since they love playing each other
We do not love playing Tech. We genuinely could not care less about them. Kansas State, Baylor and TCU are far closer to our rivals than Tech. Hell, even Iowa State has a better case for it.
@@m00t53 why you lying? Baylor doesn’t even care for you they have TCU and they don’t give a shit about you either. Always copying tech too even trying to claim you have our rivals
@@TheBML2 Obviously Baylor cares about their chief rival more, but to claim they don't care about OSU at all is just total lack of ball knowledge. They've had multiple pivotal matchups in recent history that have had Big XII title implications. You can claim whatever you like about OSU copying Tech but you know it isn't true and you just look dumb. You can either accept your irrelevance or you can keep fighting to no avail.
@@m00t53 OSU has only been relevant since Gundy took over. And your rival abandoned you without a second thought. Don’t think for a minute that Baylor gives two shits about you
@@TheBML2 And that's longer than Tech has ever been relevant. Tech has had one season *ever* where they have done anything notable and they didn't even win their bowl game. Didn't make it to the conference title game either. Baylor cares infinitely more about OSU than anyone does about Tech.
Similarity and brief conference overlap doesnt prevent a rivalry. VT & WVU, and Blacksburg/Morgantown by extension, are insanely similar. Its a more ironic/sibling rivalry for most, but the potential energy is high
As a Cowboy alumnus... No. When the pirate was there I cared about the game but not now. Now I care more about playing UCF or Utah... Teams that more stand in the way of winning the conference now that Texas and OU are finally gone.
I'm a tech alum. I genuinely like Okie State. Just don't like how much of our traditions they swiped.. But they are a great program with a better history of success. We are so similar in many ways.
Not a rivalry. No case for one. The winner has never determined anything of substance for either side. The only things people can come up with are that they have similar traditions and mascots which is a dumb reason to call it a rivalry. The history between the two is lame. No one from Oklahoma State cares about Texas Tech. Not a single person circles this game on the calendar.
The conference has tried to make this a rivalry for a few years. Honestly most pokes dont care about tech. Not as rivals, not as friends, not really anything. Seems like Iowa st is more of a rival for us than tech. K-state is a pretty ok group so no chance of hate there. Colorado though, that has some potential.
I think uo and uw suffered from “not being good at the same time” until recently. As a uo fan I’ve always hated uw more than osu but it feels like it means more now.
I'm an oSu alum and especially during the Mike Leach years, Tech was a force with which one had to reckon and I always had some fear and trepidation about getting blown out. Sonny Dykes always seemed to have our number, too. Driving from Oklahoma City to Lubbock, as you got close to Lubbock you could smell the stockyards and of course it really smells. Sooner fans used to say the same thing about driving up to Stillwater. Neither the Dust Bowl nor Xerox Bowl fit this game . . . we Pokes fans call the TT fans the "Flying Tortillas" to perhaps the Golden Tortilla Bowl would be more fitting.
Before Tech joined the SWC , they had a pretty good rivalry with Hardin Simmons. After joining the SWC , A&M was a pretty big one for them but A&M saw Texas as their main rival.
Iowa State is another team that needs rivalries, even though they have Farmageddon. That rivalry isn’t protected by the big 12 for some reason. Ok State, Colorado and Kansas could be good options to start a rivalry with them
As an Iowa State fan I think Kansas would be the most likely rival. There is already the start of a rivalry with them in basketball, and with both football programs relevant again they are likely to form some sort of rivalry.
Why Tech ever abandoned Matadors as a nickname is just insane. Someone should go to jail for that decision.
I actually like "Red Raiders" more. Matadors isn't a bad name but the one they have now sounds like a modern, kick-your-butt team.
i mean red raiders still just sounds as cool
In the 1930's, our football team traveled to Mexico to see actual bullfighting.
The head coach thought it was so inhumane, that he believed we should never be called the Matadors again. Dude was ahead of his time
Matadors is still in the school song and involved throughout a ton of the current Texas Tech campus, memorabilia, lore, history, tradition etc. They do a really nice job of connecting the two names.
We didn’t abandon it. Plenty of people still say it.
Personally, I think this Dust Bowl rivalry between Oklahoma State & Texas Tech could become a real rivalry down the line. First of all, with the Sooners & Longhorns leaving for the SEC, if anyone replaces Oklahoma & Texas as the Big 12's marquee teams, it might as well be Oklahoma State & Texas Tech. Plus, both of these teams are about pass-first, wide-open offenses, which is my favorite style of football. Finally, Mike Gundy is still coaching OK State. ("COME AFTER ME! I'M A MAN! I'M 40!")
As a Red Raider, our traditional rival was Texas A&M, but that was ruined by UT. The UT rivalry was manufactured by the Big XII after the departure of the Farmers for greener money… I mean pastures. It was more of a strange threesome of dislike between the three universities, though, since A&M considered UT as their rival, but Texas never cared about A&M. Meanwhile, Tech considered A&M as our rivals, but A&M acted like they didn’t care.
OSU and OU's rivalry is sort of similar. It's like winning a National Championship when OU wins, but they suddenly don't care "because it's not a real rivalry" when they lose.
As a Pokes fan here, I would love to see this become a rivalry game (especially with OU leaving). The jilted lovers comment is a good point, and personally I have always sensed a lot of hostility from the tech side (and vice versa) at both football and basketball games. While there is no traditional beef, I just HATE losing to tech more than any team in the B12 today. A shame we don't play them every year anymore.
Edit: The agriculture quadrangle of hate probably won't occur but it definitely should.
Since you're focused on rivalries being born I think there is an interesting comparison for how to build a rivalry. When the ACC formed divisions in 2005 with the additions of BC and the year before Miami and VT, a cross divisional game was mandated. The conference forced a rivalry of BC VT, but the rivalry that actually was born was VT GT, the battle of the Techs or Techmo Bowl. The winner of the GT VT game won the coastal division the first 8 years of the division. Today VT and GT consider each other secondary rivals despite playing once before sharing a conference. Would make a great video topic
ACC: You'll be rivals with Boston College and you're gonna like it!
VT: No thanks
Similar to the SEC's old system they are moving away from@@lostinrabbithole12
Uh oh, that boy's 12posting again
I would love an Independent video of teams like Notre Dame and how Penn St or Florida St could have went that direction
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The Tahj Brooks and Ollie Gordon game next year could be the spark for the rivalry like the massive overtime game was for A&M/LSU
I think the dust (xerox) bowl will become a rivalry over time.
As an OSU alum, I like TT and have many friends who went there. We absolutely stole the spirit rider, the grad student who started it for us was a TT alum. Our “1 ring” is also a carbon copy that came about years after TT adopted theirs, down to having the mascot in front of the library on one side and the school seal festooned with wheat on the other. Pistol Pete is NOT NOT NOT a carbon copy of Raider Red. Both were cartoon characters penned locally, but Pistol Pete is based off of a real life cowboy named Frank Eaton.
The Baylor TCU rivalry is the oldest rivalry in Texas. They first met on the gridiron in 1899 when TCU was located in Waco.
I always thought the Battle of the Skillet betwixt SMU and TCU...the whole Ft. Worth , Dallas thing was each others main rivalry....
As an Oklahoma State fan, I like Tech. Their fan base is fun, but beating them is even more fun 😎🤠
As an OSU fan I love playing tech. So many classic shootouts
This could either be the next iron bowl or the next civil conflict
Hope you continue on the history of conferences series. Even with the big ones left (ACC, Big 10, and SEC) I feel like there is still a lot of drama and interesting tidbits to go into.
The BU TT Bowl has to be a thing it's perfect
Hey man, love college football, love history, love your videos
As a Tech fan In order for this game to become a rivalry it would take okst to do something to make us very angry which isn’t hard considering we’re a highly territorial warlike fanbase. But look at tcu calling Lubbock a desert and no recruits should ever go there. That started the 🌵 emoji incident which you still see everywhere. So seeing okst killing a longhorn for the Texas game it seems very likely that they could do something similar to anger a whole fanbase. It would most likely take these teams to play at a time when both are very good though to create more animosity.
My personal opinion. In a super-conference with 16 teams or more, it would be Very fun if there was a grouping of 4 teams- in conference- that did an in-season tournament at the end of the year. They rotate the dance partners that they start with in game 1, but game 2 isn't a set schedule ahead of time. Winner plays winner, loser plays loser, and the team that wins it all gets to keep a rivalry trophy. That would be dope.
That doesn't really apply here, but I will mention that the Big 12 figures to have four Texas schools in the conference going forward. Maybe maybe maybe, this is a way to generate some rivalry buzz around the conference and the state?
Was really hoping the SEC would do this.....BUT it isnt the best idea since the playoff selection committee has shown ZERO respect for conference championship games. If i ran a conference, id eliminate the championship altogether. I hate the selection committee.
DUST BOWL let’s goooooo
As a Red Raider living in Oklahoma married to an OSU grad, this game already IS a rivalry in my house
You have a great way of explaining things that I do not care about, I'll give you a thumbs up just because of how entertaining it is. Go Blue,
Really love this thumbnail
As a tech fan personally I would like is too focus more on rivalries with tcu and Baylor but I have thought about this a bit with okst probably becoming on of the bigger teams in the big 12 with Texas and Oklahoma leaving so I think this could turn out to be a pretty fun rivalry to watch and I think it should be called the cowboys shoot out and whoever wins gets a old west Texas rifle
Or a set of matching colt revolvers, that would fit so well since both fan bases use the finger guns
I mean we seeing Baylor and OSU heating up. I also see ASU and Tech becoming a Rival ( Dual in the West)
Being a sooners fan myself I see this as the little brother to the red River shootout. I think the big 12 would benefit a lot from it just like they did from the Red River rivalry.
As a TTU CASNR alum and Ag teacher, I love the idea of the "Quadrangle of Ag" but I don't think it could get as hateful as a OU/UT or Michigan/Ohio State. Ag is such a tight-knit and friendly community, I for one (and most others) often cheer for other ag schools when possible, because we're such a family, except those few schools that think they're the only viable option for a quality ag degree 🙄. It would be a fun rivalry but not a hateful one by any means. Like you said very much a fun one like Farmageddon.
Honestly our rivalry should be against Colorado. They are one of the pack 2 teams coming in without a rival. They also have close proximity to Lubbock
I can see that.
As a Red Raider, I got to say it SHOULD be a rivalry. Yet, I think most in Texas, depending on where you live it's either lists Baylor or Houston as a rivalry.
Yet yeah most if not all OSU traditions are very much a copy of Techs.
Propaganda
Nuh-uh
I have always felt OSU as a rival ever since 2007 game where Michael Crabtree drops a pass in the end zone in the final seconds. Hit him right in the hands and he drops it. Tech lost 49-45. I have always felt OSU as a rival since that game. I hate loosing to OSU. Bring on the Dust Bowl.
I think this has the chance to be a FRIENDLY rivalry, which is not something you see a lot in college football. I don't get the sense that either school hates each other. Hell - I have a dog in the fight. I'm an OSU alum, and my best friend who I was best man for at his wedding, was a TTU grad. So we both have dogs in the fight.
Now that TTU and OSU are some of the oldest schools in the Big 12 that cross the Texas-Oklahoma border, it will be interesting to see this become the new "Red River Rivalry" of sorts.
I currently go to tech. 1/2 of everyone here likes OSU. When we play them now it’s just for bragging rights. I cannot really see it growing from that. Then with TCU it feels more like two teams that are annoyed at each other, cause we look at TCU as California transplants or daddy’s money, and they look at us like drunks and uneducated.
It’s sad cause here at tech we pride ourselves for being one of, if not the most hostile atmospheres in the big 12, but now. There is just a little less hate around. Now all us red raiders could hope for is that one of the pac schools fucks around, and we let them find out. But yeah, you did an amazing job covering the feelings we got for those pokes.
I think it could because I think those two schools care about football more than other schools in that conference
TTU v BU is called the “Snobs versus the Slobs” bowl
Being a Nebraska fan, I'd never heard of the “Quadrangle of Hate” before.
If TTU was a good program a rivalry might actully happen but when there are no larger stories other than "we don't like them" there will never really be a rivalry.
Being a tech fan living in oklahoma i consider this a rivalry
You can still play non-conference games against each other! Unreal rivals act like they cant get rid of a cupcake or two to still play every year!
Yeah A&M historically was our main foe. But the dust bowl is kinda a rivalry. I like beating them more than most, always have. Like you said it is an issue cause we like each other too much.
This has a lot of similarities with Oregon st-Washington st rivalry
Lsu and Texas A&m aren’t rivals. Lsu just beats the shit outta them annually lol. Lsu Texas will be a huge rivalry tho book it
I agree on that
I think Baylor vs Utah BYU could be a really cool rivalry if they play each other enough
Baylor and BYU feels like whatever the opposite of a rivalry is. In a lot of ways Baylor was BYU's welcoming party into the Big 12, so they feel a lot friendlier than even just a normal exhibition would
Baylor/BYU being Baptist and Mormon schools could end up being a nice little game that is circled on each schools calendar. Now TCU/Utah with their shared time in the WAC/Mountain West before having enough success to move to a power conference could make that game spicy
Terrible take. They are unofficial rivals. The game is unofficially known as the Red Dirt Rivalry. Dust Bowl doesn’t have a ring to it. You say not being good at the same time is not the making of a rivalry. Look at the Florida - Georgia rivalry, most of the time one team is good
The Red Dirt Rivalry is Tech against OU, not oSu, and it's mainly a baseball rivalry
@@lukeontheplains Baseball wise, Texas Tech is not a rival of Oklahoma. The Amarillo Sod Poodles organization was pushing for the “rivalry” and their name of it. Oklahoma is a usual hate, not rivalry hate. Idk anyone who calls the game against Oklahoma State the Dust Bowl. I’ve only heard the Oklahoma State game called the “Red Dirt Rivalry” but what do I know I’m just a guy from Texas😂
As a huge red raiders fan, I think this is going to be a rivalry since tech lost ut and Oklahoma state lost ou.
If all college teams in Texas were in big 12 way back when college sports started it would be fun to see Houston rivalry with all teams in Texas to form a bowl best of Texas bowl lol
And it’s Interesting how college teams like middle Tennessee version of a blue raider is a Pegasus while Texas tech version is a bounty hunter on a horse
In Kansas, there's a high school called Wamego that uses the nickname Red Raiders-except their Red Raiders are Native American. Interesting how "raider" can mean different things. Vegas' Raiders are pirates, MTSU's are essentially Knights, Tech's are bandits; I totally agree.
Not sure why...but i think osu vs cincy is going to be a rivaly game. If the XII was in a bar, I would expect those two to get into a fight over something eventually.
I thought it was a rivalry already.
Look who’s back, back again. I am back, I am back, I am back
That sounds good to me.
As an OSU fan, I'm not sure if it could ever become genuinely hostile, I only really hate two schools, and I dont feel like a hateful 8 school could get there. But I don think it's a good "fun rivalry" for a lack of a better term.
Still waiting for that Kansas video mister lukeontheplains
Stay tuned.
It will be a rivalry. The creator of this video has greatly underestimated the TCU/Tech game too.
Video on West Texas Championship is being considered if these rivalry videos pop off
Do the Kansas v K State game
They're a rival, just not an intense one. The games get wild, the fans tease each other. Raider power chant could be said to be a copy of orange power, which I've seen plausible claims that say it originated with OSU.
As an aside, I like the idea of rekindling border conference rivalries. Did you know, though, that Texas tech and Arizona State didn't play each other as members of the border conference? One of those weird quirks of old football, the teams never shared a schedule.
In any case, the big xii knows how to hate. It's a friendly hate, like the hate that two quarreling bothers have for each other, but it's still hateful. Maybe something to do with the conference being in the Bible belt?
My favorite rival for Tech is West Virginia. The two teams play each other hard in both football and basketball, and it's got history: it's the battle for John Denver's soul. Good rival.
They're not a rival at all. This series has never, ever mattered. It has never had any implications for the Big XII championship, never made a difference for recruiting, never had any cultural impact of any kind, and really almost never even produced any good games. Oklahoma State owns Texas Tech. They have for the entire Gundy era. The games are rarely ever even close.
The debate over traditions is stupid manufactured nonsense by Tech fans on Twitter. The claim that Oklahoma State "stole" any of their traditions has long been debunked and Tech fans only keep stoking the embers because they're desperate for engagement. Without UT, they're on an island. No one cares about playing them because they're never in contention for the conference title and they have no strong cultural connections to anyone else. They'd have a better rivalry with UTEP. They're more on par with that team than they are with Oklahoma State.
@@m00t53 they're not a rival! *Writes 300 words to a 3 week old comment*
I don't even miss UT anymore.
@@kayakyakyakr It took me like 5 minutes. It wouldn't even take half that to read it aloud. The entire series can be summed up in those 2 short paragraphs. That's how insignificant it is.
Dust bowl could be fun.
Cool idea for pods.
Farm school
Texas Tech
Oklahoma St
Kansas St
Iowa St
Mountain Division
Arizona
Colorado
Kansas
Utah
Big East/American
Cincinnati
Houston
UCF
West Virginia
Arizona St and Religion
Arizona St
BYU
Baylor
TCU
But a correct method would be to keep 3 protected games and rotation
Arizona; Arizona St, Colorado, Utah
Arizona St; Arizona, BYU, Texas Tech
Baylor; BYU, TCU, UCF
BYU; Arizona St, Baylor, Utah
Cincinnati; Houston, UCF, West Virginia
Colorado; Arizona, Kansas, Utah
Houston; Cincinnati, Texas Tech, UCF
Iowa St; Kansas St, Oklahoma St, West Virginia
Kansas; Colorado, Kansas St, West Virginia
Kansas St; Iowa St, Kansas, TCU
Oklahoma St; Iowa St, TCU, Texas Tech
TCU; Baylor, Kansas St, Oklahoma St
Texas Tech; Arizona St, Houston, Oklahoma St
UCF; Baylor, Cincinnati, Houston
Utah; Arizona, BYU, Colorado
West Virginia; Cincinnati, Iowa St, Kansas
Tried to keep Historical Rivalries, past Rivalries and Kansas st vs TCU have been heart breaking games. Oklahoma State is the trickest but since there were in the south division for year playing in texas. I figured i would keep 2 of there game in northern texas afterall.
Definitely Oklahoma State will take uk the new top rivalry, but it could honestly be against Tech, Iowa State, or Baylor
Your take on Farmageddon is off imo. Just as a Twitter observer, it seems to me like KSU and ISU fans truly HATE each other.
that's Twitter. Off of Twitter it's actually significantly less heated. The only reason it's considered a "rivalry" at all is because of trolls on both sides
literally great value RRR lmao
You miss spelled Xerox University
After Tech steals OsU's "glory" in Stillwater this year (2024), they wont like us....bc it'll be Tech in the Championship game instead of them!!!
I don’t think the name Dust Bowl will work. And I think Tech probably doesn’t want to make a rival with someone outside of the state. The Big 12 should market the TCU/BU/TT rivalries like the military academies do. Winner gets a specially named trophy.
Hear me out, "The Guys Who Ride Horses Bowl".
It never will be a rivalry game tech an cowgirls
I hate orange
That game in 2011 was bad they got whooped
I'm out on the Dust Bowl name. I frankly find it insulting. Sorry.
I live in Kansas, man. How do you think I feel about it? The other name it has is "Xerox Bowl" which is outright slanted against one of the teams. It does need a new one.
Dust Bowl? You mean the Little Brother Bowl
As a Texas Tech Alumni, I find OKST to be our loveable brother from another mother
Same here. OSU is my favorite team in the Big 12 to play.
i find tech as that redneck cousin that’s super funny but can get on your nerves
Agreed. I’d only ever want a friendly rivalry with the cowboys. Great sister school in the conference.
Also Texas Tech’s most hated wasn’t Texas at least at the beginning. Texas A&M and Tech absolutely hated each other always having pranks or fights break out and the series is still close
I wonder, if this does become a genuine and noteworthy rivalry could it have the unintended negative side effect of being considered the “inferior” red river rivalry. Also…I need them to bring back games in Tokyo!
RRR is overrated
@@yetekt6953 True, fuck em both
Red Creek Rivalry
The Redneck River Rivalry
@@yetekt6953casual
Matadors is such a cooler name than Red Raiders
Texas aTm and Tech (as much as the ags hate to admit it) were neck and neck. Texas owns aTm but not Texas Tech. Once Tech joined the SWC up until the ags left to the sec, Tech won more games.
I was hoping the B12 would protect the OSU/Tech game and make it a yearly match up. (Home and home) not neutral ut/ou bs. It just made sense. The two programs could build a solid rivalry if the game was played every year. Both teams have the potential to be perennial conference contenders. The game would have large stakes.
But Tech got f’d as usual (probably didn’t even stand up for itself) and got zero protected games moving forward. Nothing to see here
UT earned hate from Tech for too many reasons to list. We had close series in all sports vs aTm but they got so bent out of shape losing to Tech despite having so much more $ it became no fun. That Tokyo Bowl game , while I was a Tech student, was one of the best games no one got to see. IMO Tech will never sports hate any future Big 12 team because they can never be as arrogant as UT or as lame as aTm. GUNS UP!
True. Although if Colorado keeps their ego up, maybe the same energy can be replicated against UT.
Now that Texas is no longer in the big 12
Can I root for Texas and TTU since the rivalry is officially dead
When's the last time a Rivalry organically became a real Rivalry?
if we're looking at all of FBS and not just power conference, there's Coastal and App State
GT VT. Only played once before VT joined the ACC
LSU and Texas A&M
I'd love this! Tech games are always super close and when they're not playing my Cowboys I genuinely root for them
7:33 No better idea. Call it the quadrangle of AGony
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I love the idea for the quad of ag. we could even make some names like OSU vs ISU as the Upset Bowl (cuz we upset osu every time they are good), or K-State vs Texas Tech, Battle for Tornado Alley. idk
When I was a kid I always internally referred to K-State / West Virginia as the Country Roads Rivalry. For some reason I took the 2012 game as evidence of a rivalry existing even though they hardly played each other until then, and that since Kansas had roads in the country it was a fitting name. There's a cool name for just about every game in the conference even if it isn't a rivalry
I think the Big 12 will try and force the rivalry. I don't think will ever reach the level of Bedlam on the OSU side but I can see it more growing into a friendly sibling rivalry that will give fans of both sides a chance to give each other crap for a week and then go hangout for a beer with each other after the game
It won't. If they wanted to, they'd make it an annual series. Thankfully, they didn't.
If you want a nod to history then take Texas Tech and either of the 2 Arizona schools because they were all in the Border Conference. With historic rivals being thrown away left and right these days this is a golden opportunity.
Whoops. I just got to that part of your video, did not mean to steal it
I do hope The Dust Bowl becomes a real rivalry. They could become the next Red River rivalry with how strong both of each teams offenses have been. And i always thought of them having similar cultures so maybe they will see who is the better of each team. But we will have to see, but i do think they could maybe make a trophy to help make the game more official?
As a tech fan we don’t care about Houston at all. We don’t think they deserve to be I. The big 12
Honestly the two like each other too much. Tech and OSU both suffer from being second(or in tech’s case third) fiddle to more successful or richer schools. However I can see a rivalry forming since they love playing each other
We do not love playing Tech. We genuinely could not care less about them. Kansas State, Baylor and TCU are far closer to our rivals than Tech. Hell, even Iowa State has a better case for it.
@@m00t53 why you lying? Baylor doesn’t even care for you they have TCU and they don’t give a shit about you either. Always copying tech too even trying to claim you have our rivals
@@TheBML2 Obviously Baylor cares about their chief rival more, but to claim they don't care about OSU at all is just total lack of ball knowledge. They've had multiple pivotal matchups in recent history that have had Big XII title implications.
You can claim whatever you like about OSU copying Tech but you know it isn't true and you just look dumb. You can either accept your irrelevance or you can keep fighting to no avail.
@@m00t53 OSU has only been relevant since Gundy took over. And your rival abandoned you without a second thought. Don’t think for a minute that Baylor gives two shits about you
@@TheBML2 And that's longer than Tech has ever been relevant. Tech has had one season *ever* where they have done anything notable and they didn't even win their bowl game. Didn't make it to the conference title game either. Baylor cares infinitely more about OSU than anyone does about Tech.
Similarity and brief conference overlap doesnt prevent a rivalry. VT & WVU, and Blacksburg/Morgantown by extension, are insanely similar. Its a more ironic/sibling rivalry for most, but the potential energy is high
As a Cowboy alumnus... No. When the pirate was there I cared about the game but not now. Now I care more about playing UCF or Utah... Teams that more stand in the way of winning the conference now that Texas and OU are finally gone.
I'm a tech alum. I genuinely like Okie State. Just don't like how much of our traditions they swiped.. But they are a great program with a better history of success. We are so similar in many ways.
I did think there was a new rivalry starting to form, but they put a wet blanket on it with the new schedules.
tell me about it
The 2nd Ammendment Bowl
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Mic drop.
As a Red Raider and having OSU friends I kinda want this to be a rivalry
Not a rivalry. No case for one. The winner has never determined anything of substance for either side. The only things people can come up with are that they have similar traditions and mascots which is a dumb reason to call it a rivalry. The history between the two is lame. No one from Oklahoma State cares about Texas Tech. Not a single person circles this game on the calendar.
The conference has tried to make this a rivalry for a few years. Honestly most pokes dont care about tech. Not as rivals, not as friends, not really anything. Seems like Iowa st is more of a rival for us than tech. K-state is a pretty ok group so no chance of hate there. Colorado though, that has some potential.
As long as Coach Prime is doing a lot of talking without a lot of results there are plenty of opportunities for Colorado to get some new rivals.
K-State fans are expecting some rough roads ahead with Colorado. Really the entire old Big 8 that's still here might end up being a cluster lol
I think uo and uw suffered from “not being good at the same time” until recently.
As a uo fan I’ve always hated uw more than osu but it feels like it means more now.
Matadors is a cooler name than Red Raiders, but they got double alliterations in their name, and that is pretty cool too. Texas Tech Red Raiders.
Bushel of wheat, more like a bushel of corn
I'm an oSu alum and especially during the Mike Leach years, Tech was a force with which one had to reckon and I always had some fear and trepidation about getting blown out. Sonny Dykes always seemed to have our number, too. Driving from Oklahoma City to Lubbock, as you got close to Lubbock you could smell the stockyards and of course it really smells. Sooner fans used to say the same thing about driving up to Stillwater. Neither the Dust Bowl nor Xerox Bowl fit this game . . . we Pokes fans call the TT fans the "Flying Tortillas" to perhaps the Golden Tortilla Bowl would be more fitting.
Before Tech joined the SWC , they had a pretty good rivalry with Hardin Simmons. After joining the SWC , A&M was a pretty big one for them but A&M saw Texas as their main rival.
Yeet yeet I am a beet
Iowa State is another team that needs rivalries, even though they have Farmageddon. That rivalry isn’t protected by the big 12 for some reason. Ok State, Colorado and Kansas could be good options to start a rivalry with them
at least they’ll keep their in-state rivalry even though iowa usually beats yall
As an Iowa State fan I think Kansas would be the most likely rival. There is already the start of a rivalry with them in basketball, and with both football programs relevant again they are likely to form some sort of rivalry.
The Xerox Bowl is a fitting name for the game now because it’s just a knockoff Texas vs OU for the Big12 now that both those Schools are in the SEC
Never thought I’d see the day that the big 12 became so bad that the best rivalry was ku k st btw MIZ I will cheer for k st every year against Kansas
Neither fanbase travels, so this will never be a real rivalry.
Idk man. They were in the same division of the big 12 for what? Around 15 years? So if it hasn’t yet, than idk
Watching this on the ride out to Shreveport to watch the Red Raiders play Cal. Wreck em tech