I'm actually sad that this is the last one of the twilight saga. We deserved more of Jonathans disgusted face and Alan's "why is this happening" face. It was spiritual healing to watch them
If you consider this franchise from Charlie's perspective, it becomes downright horrifying. His daughter gets married, barely out of high school, at 18, to her boyfriend, the same person who caused her to be depressed for months on end after he abandoned her for her protection. Then, he hears that she was hospitalised on her honeymoon, and next time he sees her, her eyes have changed colour, and she's obviously not the same person. Add to Jacob revealing his Werewolf form to him, and growing older while Bella lives forever, always looking like a teenager, and you have yourself a psychological horror.
@@TheShaleco that unfortunately would require any semblance of acknowledgement from stephenie meyers that the foundation of anything she deems to be romantic is in fact horrifying
Everyone likes Charlie as a favorite character and he is funny and plays a sweet and very attentive great Dad, but best character in a movie with supernatural characters.... He's good, but not the best character, he just has some of the best comedic lines...
@@lunavioleta001 absolutely, and I agree with Alan on the point he made with regards to Bella wanting to keep her baby. It also comes across as anti-choice propaganda. I still think it's funny those words came out of his mouth though.
Bella throwing Jacob and beating of the shit out of him for imprinting on his daughter seems to be the most realistic and awesome moment-because Bella for once pulls her head out of her ass and realizes a toxic relationship.
I've got to admit that I agree, even though I'm not interested in this series anymore. But, I have enjoyed these guy's commentaries on it though. I don't understand why Stephanie Meyer chose to go into that creepy direction, with those characters. He could've just offered to be her godfather instead. But, I didn't write the books.
Precisely, kudos to Bella for not being passive, and actually being the tar out of Jacob for daring to imprint on her infant daughter. Though NOBODY could take the line "YOU NICKNAMED MY DAUGHTER AFTER THE LOCH NESS MONSTER?!" seriously! 😂🤣
And the Cullens think it's funny that Bella is beating on Jacob for imprinting on her child? What if she killed him then Bella & the Cullens would've been exterminated by Jacob's pack Bella's choices would've destroyed an entire family. Jacob's dad Billy would've been devastated so would Charley because both fathers have lost their children on Bella's account of wanting to be a vampire so she can tell everyone that was in her human life to kiss her ass. And speaking of toxic relationship look at her & Edward their relationship isn't love Bella loves Edward for what he is, what he can give her & Edward is nothing but a control freak.
Im wondering if this pedophilia type relationship was thev reason Hollywood picked up this story and pushed it so hard... because this was the final relationship
No, he would have been drawn to Edward only on the day he impregnated Bella. Because, while all the thousands of eggs stay in the ovaries of a woman for her whole life, sperm cells are freshly created almost every day. Of course we don’t exactly know how Vampire balls work (I just wrote that) but I don’t believe Edward carried the same semen for over 90 years (GOODBYE 💀)
@@bonessai well, didn’t Edward say he was a virgin? So maybe he held on to his human swimmers-cryopreserved, y’a know?-and that’s how he got Bella pregnant, and that’s why Jacob is hot-glarin at Edward for too many movies.
Yes. This. I always wanted to find a way to watch these movies just to know exactly what I was disgusted by, but I couldn’t bring myself to fully watch them. This is FAR better.
My dad had a friend who saw me as a newborn and told my dad, in that moment, "She is going to be my wife". Years later, I am married to someone my age, and that friend hasn't been allowed in my parents lives since he left that day he said that to my dad. It's creepy, that's a fact. Edit: I didn't expect so many likes lol. For those who are curious, this "friend" had a lot of mental issues and claimed I was going to marry him with the utmost seriousness, and it absolutely freaked my dad out. When he retold this story to me, after I was grown and married for a few years, he still was super creeped out by it. It made him super protective, and he taught me about keeping creeps out of my life which was useful, as this "friend" was the first of at least seven people who would creep on me, most of them appearing in my late teens/young adult years, and one as recently as a month ago.
I love how apart from "Don't model your relationships after this" the most important message of this reaction series is "If you can get Michael Sheen, GET MICHAEL SHEEN"
" you will not learn anything about healthy sexuality from Twilight" as someone who spent their formative tween years obsessed with this series I can say with 100% certainty that this statement is correct
Well, you can definitely learn what not to do which, in a sense, can be considered learning about healthy sexuality. It's possible to learn good things from bad examples after all. You just need to realize it is a bad example.
Oh honey I’m sorry that no one explained to you that this franchise both the books & movies were fantasy and therefore not at all based in reality no matter how hard they tried to mesh the two. Nonetheless they’re fiction fantasy! That’s it and that’s all.
@@tbow7785 Stories, as fictional as they may be, convey messages that can affect the reader subconsciously - in this case, it's the messages about toxic relationships portrayed as "romantic"
For real though! I was never in the series for any of the romance. I like to Charlie and I liked Carlisle. That was why I read the book. And it wasn't even in a romantic way. I just thought they were good people.
You guys didn’t mention this, but Bella was totally willing to just let Charlie think she was dead and never see him again. Then Jacob told Charlie sort of the truth, and Edward and Bella got mad at him for it. Edward talks about Bella‘s pain, but neither of them has given a single thought to Charlie’s pain.
Cause who cares about her lame old dad when she’s got important people like husband and daughter /sarcasm but this is sadly what people seem to think. Teenage girl logic
I have always wondered how she was just going to let her mom and dad think she was dead as well. They just wrote off the mom as just some airhead but she very obviously still loved her daughter.
Exactly!!! This is what I don’t like about Bella’s character. She only cares about herself and being with Edward and she doesn’t care about how her decision affects everyone else in her life.
22:40 this also sends the very dangerous message, that many abuse victims believe that "if I just prove myself worthy then he will stop abusing me and be a great partner" thanks stephanie
“The whole point of twilight is my magic sex will fix broken boy” and it’s even funnier because Jonathan was laughing his arse off and Alan maintained his straight face through it xD
I don't get that, though. If Jacob was so in love with Bella's egg, (cringe) then why would he want to kill Renesme in the first place? He would have no feeling for Bella once Renesme was born, and would have no urge to 'avenge' her death. Also, he would have been able to sense her presence as soon as he walked in the room. After all, "it's a wolf thing."
@@returnoftheromans6726 Well he didn't know he was going to imprint on Rocketship at all. The notion was always that there was this inexplicable bond between Bella & Jacob and a part of them that was "meant to be". Because of the nature of her pregnancy, no one was supposed to be able to see or interact with the baby through the amniotic sack (except when Edward could telepathically hear it because... reasons lol). I'd have to double check the books, but as far as I remember it's a "first laid eyes on her" type situation
Special effects guy here, thank you so much for pointing out the fact that the creepy baby isn’t the fault of the special effects artists but rather the director/producers/etc who made the decision. I’ve lost count of the amount of times I hated how something turned out but had no choice because of the director. It’s the downside of the job, especially when you get blamed for it.
True but they had to make the best of the bad decision since it was a reshoot with almost no time. Look up Chucknesmee and you'll see the "baby" that was used in the scenes that Renesmee was still a newborn. After seeing THAT you won't think the CGI baby is as bad considering they had almost no time to make her better
In the book Renesmee develops abnormally fast due to being part vampire and that's why they needed to CGI a more mature face on the baby. It was the film being faithful to the book, not an actual choice outside of the book.
Because all of this is what she LIKES. She didn't character assassinate Jacob intentionally, she was trying to HELP. According to Stephanie Meyer, she was taking pity on the people who for some reason preferred Jacob to Edward. Someone that, to her eyes, had literally nothing going for him while Edward had everything. So everything prior to this was her trying to make him more appealing as an acknowledgement of her fans, and this was her attempting to give the shippers a consolation prize. It's like your cat noticing you like to watch the blue jays on your porch, and deciding to leave half of one in your slipper overnight. Just a horrific misunderstanding.
@@Bonnie_B365 Mormons, also known as the Latter Day Saints, are an American Christian religion. Their theology is incredibly misogynistic; particularly in promoting polygamy (but only where men may have multiple wives). The state of Utah is the Mormon holy land (est 1830ish), and I really wish I was making it all up.
“Magix sex fix broken boy” is actually the most accurate and legit summerization of this series, because I think it is literally based on that existing teenage girl delusion. I can feel it, because I had it! This classic of Alan moment shall remain for eternity! 🤣
"You will not learn anything about healthy sexuality from Twilight.” I mean you will if you look at Carlisle and Esme. The only real example of what a healthy and happy marriage look like… Which explains why they have no screen time.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343she was dying because she wanted to commit suicide…. Maybe give her a painless death instead of a l an eternity of depression from what she wanted to kill herself over
"He said it's fine. She's amazing, right?" is hand's down my favorite Edward line in this franchise. The just absolute joy on his face when he sees his wife beating up Jacob.
"I'm just tired" sums up the feeling at the end of these movies. Also, Bella getting PISSED at Jacob was the only time in the whole series that she was being reasonable for once! As soon as Bella became a vampire she grew a damn spine.
Which is a F-ing shame🤦🏾♀️ Stephanie could have had a real story about love and abuse and standing up for your selves. That way not only young girls but boys as well, can see what happens when you fall for the wrong person or people with supernatural theme to make then interested. But no she instead romanticized it.
I watched Twilight as an 18-year-old and told my friends that I found Charlie very attractive, and they all made fun of me coz he was in his 40s. But after watching your commentary, I now think it was healthier to crush on Charlie than on Edward or Jacob. 😂
I swear Micheal sheen was like "ok I'm just going to exaggerate my character from like a 5 to an 11 because it's not like you can replace me in the next one. I'm just here for the paycheck. So I'm going out with deranged laughter and absolutely no shame." And I loved that for him.
@@Yoursoulismine814 oh no. He is being utterly intentional. He read it and thought 'Am I the only one who sees this should be a comedy??' and just decided to have a whale of a time while making a whale of a paycheck. The Sheen will not be subdued in Michael.
Good lord, that one. It feels at least as weird as Twilight, and that perpetually guilt-tripping queen bitch who apparently uses half a lip-stick a day is only the tip of the iceberg.
I vividly remember going to this movie on opening night and when the battle sequence was happening, the entire audience was FREAKING OUT. And then they LOST it when it was all a vision. It was a hilariously awesome and weird moment.
I just remembered I also watched this one at the movies and I was PISSED it was all a lie. I left with the feeling that nothing interesting happened in the movie haha
Same! I just literally remember saying " its not real, its not real" and felt so vindicated when I was right lol. When I thought about it, I remember a moment in the book where Alice brings the South American vampires (one of then was half human too) to show the Volturi that half human vampires are safe to keep "alive". Alice goes to speak directly to Aro and he reads her mind. I figured out that was the moment he saw what would happen
Same!! I had Teenage girls next to me and they started screaming and SOBBING when Carlisle died. I was shocked and confused. When it shot it back to Alice, half the audience laughed and the other half cried harder. I'll never forget it. It was amazing.
I was forced by a friend to see this movie in the theater on a trade (I subsequently forced her to go to Jackass 3D with me; worth it). I will never forget the entire theater around me erupting into literal sobs during that battle scene. Meanwhile, I had my hands over my mouth trying to stifle my own gleeful laughter. Best moment of the whole franchise, IMO.
Oh man that part where charlie went in to hug Bella and then recoiled in concern because she was cold and then went in to hug her again because of the conversation they just had was so touching. The most touching scene in the franchise I think
The whole 'bone-breaking' sound design and whatnot when Bella was pregnant, is legit the first and only time I have ever had to walk out of a cinema to recompose myself and not vomit. They did an incredible job at making that all hit so hard
The birth is like either the Xenomorph birthing scene from Alien and either Ben or Chief Irons having the mutated William Birkin's G-Virus spawn rip out of them in Resident Evil 2. But in that film and game those scenes were horrifying and shown as such but Renesmee breaking Bella's back and Edward having to eat through Bella to get her out is presented as happy.
Jonathan's yell when Edward walked in with the baby literally has me CRYING laughing oh my goddess 😂😂 I had to pause the video lol I love this channel so much.
I love when Alan tells us what he would’ve done as a director! The shot about the wolf and Alice, him describing literally gave me chills. Sounded soooo scary!!! More of that please!!!
Honestly? I feel like he's on point, but the real viscera comes from the human reaction of *being murdered*. When I heard Alan's description of what he wanted my mind immediately went to Pedro Pascal portraying Oberon's death in Game of Thrones. The screaming and the writhing as he was murdered still disturbs me to this day. Not the actual head pop, but the moments before of human suffering knowing that he knew it was futile is just *ugh*. Horrible. Amazing.
I am actually kind of sad that this particular series is finished. If Twilight is junk food entertainment to some people, watching you guys dump on it is mine 😂
Same for me There's not much that's more fun than seeing stuff like this. (except maybe (cis) men who act like period pains aren't a thing getting to experience them through the simulation of it. Peak entertainment)
@@nikk-named I think I have to agree. They may be the only two very specifically weird things that are 1:1 for each other in their own very specifically weird ways. 🤣🤣👌
I used to be obsessed with the books in my late teens/early twenties. At that time, I was in an abusive/toxic relationship with a man who in hindsight turned out to be a narcissist and maybe even a sociopath. I know there are narcissists and sociopaths out there who are self-aware and try their best to behave morally, but he did not. He brainwashed, manipulated, and gaslit me. He took my agency away and made me believe that no one in the world loved me as much as he did (not even my family and I have very loving parents and sisters) and that without him there would be no love in my life. All my other relationships suffered while I was with him. I basically became the person he wanted me to be, depending on him for everything. My family and friends absolutely hated him and he made me dislike my friends and family, because "no one understands how much he loved me and how misunderstood he is" blegh. He was the main character in my life. I related so much to Bella and always thought how accurately Twilight portrayed "real love" in the movies as well. And even Bella's night terrors didn't seem over the top to me at the time because I had similar break downs (while awake). I was overly emotional and my life was super dramatic (I didn't realize that he was the one making it that way). Fast forward to now. Man, I was really brainwashed to believe that this is what love looks like. I never understood why people made fun of Twilight because to me it portrayed parts of my relationship so accurately. I thought this was love. Man was I wrong. Thank you Jonathan and Alan for opening my eyes to the toxic relationships in Twilight. This is not romantic, this is freaking garbage! I enjoyed watching your Twilight series commentary, some parts of your analysis were real eye-openers. Thank you!
I knew someone who is unfortunately in a similar situation. I kind of wonder what things are like from their perspective, if they still think they choose the best path or are loved by him. Thanks for sharing some insight into it.
When they said "They suck at protecting her from Jacob, they let him turn into a wolf around her" I was taken aback for a moment, like of course they do, why wouldn't they? Then my mind flashed back to Sam and Emily and YIKES.
Oh god, I forgot about that part. I'm surprised they didn't cover that, but I also don't remember how much of it was discussed in the movie. Then again, this series is more focused on the Trinity of Toxic Relationships
@@sosanmia3 longer version: Sam and leah actually used to be together. Emily is leahs cousin...she was there on a visit. Then he disappeared for a few days (bc he turned into a wolf for the first time), then came back. For some reason (i think something to do with imprinting on her) he changed too close to her => mauled her face and one arm (so yea...big fat scars, not the 3lines on her cheek like in the movie)... soooo he breaks up with GF (leah), and gets together with emily (her cousin!). In short: near wolf is dangerous
As someone who devoured all of these books as a kid…I sincerely wish that “you nicknamed my daughter after the Loch Ness monster” WAS NOT a real line in the books…but it unfortunately is lmfao. Even reading it at 15 I was like “BRUH”
So much of that is tied in with the mormon culture Meyers grew up in. Reducing women to wives and mothers means the only things girls are left to dream about are getting married and having babies, and they expect their husband to make all the decisions in the marriage, so the only control they get over anything in their lives is the tradition that the moms pick the kids' names. So, a lot of young girls who've been raised like that have a *lot* of strong feelings about their planned baby names, and it regularly causes drama (oh no, they "stole" my name!), etc etc. So yeah. Bella's reaction to her stupid baby name (Renesmee is just... oh honey, no) being replaced with a nickname is almost definitely something Meyers considers normal.
Dude when Seth “died”, I cried so hard in the theater. He was my favorite character out if the whole series because he seemed to be the only nontoxic character in the whole series, lol.
Same! That's why it's so sad to me that people see this scene and go, "Wait, which wolf is this? I don't care about their death because I don't know who this is." Like, there were multiple scenes with wolf-Seth in it. How did you miss this?
Wait, so they actually killed characters? My sister made me read those damn books and I about threw it across the room when the climax was "and then they talked while looking intimidatingly at each other and nothing happened".
@@tiph3802 Not technically. The fight was one of those “and it was all just a vision” tropes, but it was nice getting some more action and fighting. Characters only died in the vision with the exception of Irina.
@@i-landsleepaid2452 that’s more of the movie. In the books, the only vision that happens comes from Renesemee. They literally gather everyone to just be witnesses and end up talking their way out of getting killed. Alice showing Aro a vision does not happen. And some of the witnesses they get are vampires the Volturi would love to see dead (in the books, it is expanded that the two Romanian vampires they get used to be part of a large coven that attempted, in their hubris, to overthrow the Volturi and as a result the rest of their coven is dead; frankly it’s characters like that that show that Meyers just shouldn’t have written a romance)
To be fair, at that point, Bella was looking like an emaciated corpse who was being killed by her unborn hybrid human/vampire fetus. I’m not denying the fact that Edward and Jacob are both trash. They absolutely are, but it would be completely human to say horrible shit that you don’t really mean like “If the unborn fetus inside you kills you, I’ll kill it” when the currently living person you loved was unilaterally deciding to endanger their life by carrying it.
@@Schoolgirl325 I do think we need to differentiate Edward from Jacob here. Both were willing to kill the unvorn fetus to save Bellas life. And that I think was understandable. But Jacob was willing to kill the baby AFTER she was born (at least until he imprinted). It wasn't about saving Bellas life so much as it was about revenge. It's way more messed up.
Okay I know they said they didn’t want to do 50 shades, but I would love to see them rip that series a new one. Calling out toxic messaging and the romanticism of terrible things is important, because it helps people recognize the separation between entertainment and reality. As well as the dangers when media like this effects it’s audience who so often have those two lines blurred. Love this stuff
Hope that the remission you mentioned goes on indefinitely and also know that if it's plural and neautal, or plural and masculine, it's not bravo but bravi Free Italian lessons with me/sarcastic
@@SG-zp4fz omg ok weird but: I should've known that. I studied vocal performance at the collegiate level for six years, and literally my entire life before that. Basically like taking Italian language as a minor, all things considered. I literally *should've* known that, given all the Italian Opera and essays about the Italian Renaissance and Madrigals I've written. My deepest, genuine, apologies. I, being American, didn't even consider that anyone would notice and/or care 🤣😭🤣
I'll point out one of the redeeming qualities of Twilight, which I think isn't talked about enough. It's one of the (very) few pieces of media with a female werewolf. Leah is such a great character, and the books go into a lot more detail about her feelings of alienation in this male-dominated pack of dudebro werewolves, the leader of which is her ex (Sam) who imprinted on someone else. Leah is the white wolf in the movies, and she's constantly being rejected by her younger brother (Ceth) who looks up to Sam and Jacob et al. She's also generally rejected by her pack, and that's a constant nightmare because they're all telepathically connected when in wolf form. When Bella hits Ceth during the "Nessie" confrontation, Leah is the one snuggling up to Ceth, making sure he's okay. In the flash-forward fight scene, Ceth is the orange werewolf who's killed and Leah starts howling. I love her in the books and wish they had shown her more in the movies. In fact, I wish all the supporting characters in this series had their own stories fleshed out instead of the silly love/hate triangle. Who doesn't want to read about a psychic who ends up in a mental institution in the 1800s before becoming a vampire, or a vampire doctor whose empathy just won't let him kill humans for food, or the naive romantic who goes after her rapists when she gets her vampire powers? Instead, we get this toxic trio who wouldn't know maturity if it bit them on the nose. What a shame Meyer made these choices!
Leah ( and to an extent rosalie) really is a an accidental great part of the series, and it’s really telling what kind of writer smeyer is since Leah is written to be the opposite of a great ; in short her ( and Rosalie) are the designated scary sues of the series ( characters whose sole purpose of existence is to be crapped on by the author in order to make the main character look good in comparison). Instead smeyer straight up accidentally wrote a character who’s far more sympathetic and interesting than Bella could ever be.
Allow me to give you a list of werewolf fiction with wonderful female werewolves in them because Twilight should not be praised for having a single female wolf....
Yeah I always felt bad for Leah. Especially because if memory serves, she didn't want to be a wolf. I remember her mentioning something about her not having a menstrual cycle due to her shifting. Seth is like any younger sibling so naturally he doesn't want his older sister to baby him. But Leah needed something to focus on
The look on Charlie’s face when he hugs Bella after she’s a vampire, and you know it’s because she feels like cold stone to the touch to him now, is great.
Her being stone cold actually never occurred to me 😅 I always assumed he noticed a difference in her strength when she hugged him - obviously she'd be holding back, but maybe he noticed?
After having made it through this whole series, I would love to see you guys review another romance film with positive relationships and character growth as a sort of palate cleanser. I'd personally love to see Pride and Prejudice done because for such a relatively old story, it shows a lot of realistic growth and respect in relationships.
I've been thinking the same thing! It would be great timing for Pride and Prejudice, and I saw a clip of Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy from the end of the movie at the end of this video, so maybe that's their plan 👀
I think it would have been better plot wise if they showed other kinds of imprinting where it was like uncling or grandmothering.... but its very creepy with how they presented it.
Literally an entire character could've been saved with A SINGLE WORD. like Jacob could've just been "I am a pack leader so I am a father and protector so renegade is like a daughter to me"
The story keeps pressing that imprinting is pure love and not sexual, but then the part where Jacob asks Edward if he should start calling him dad presses otherwise.
It would actually be a really interesting idea for imprinting to be about protecting and helping guide children. Also, I have this funny thought about a kid and they’re emotional support wolf. 😅
The thing that drives me the most crazy about Edward's accountability moment is that it doesn't come until AFTER Bella is turned into a vampire, because I've always read his underestimating her as "oh she's a dumb weak human, of course she can't do anything for herself" and that's something he does even when the challenge in question isn't one of physical strength or resilience (where the fact that she's a squishy human would be a legitimate issue). There SHOULD have been a moment where he saw human-Bella as being fully his equal and worthy of his respect. But there wasn't - she didn't become his equal until she became a vampire. And that's gross.
@@tybrown7112 That's what he SAYS, certainly, but actions speak louder than words - and his actions very much suggest that he thinks she's lesser than him.
Edward could be acting superior because he doesn't want Bella to know he is inferior. Not like the difference matters all that much. Both options are horrible and Bella should stay away.
He did have that moment in Eclilse, when he realized he was too controlling and decided to let her go to LA Push if she wanted. But the thing to remember us the root of his controlling behavior was his need to protect her. Once she became a vampire and capable of protecting herself, it was moot.
Another problem that I realized watching Edward admitting he always underestimated Bella, is how much he saw himself as superior to her due to his supernatural status. He only acknowledges this and respects her as an equal because of the big change in power dynamics. Bella is a vampire that can kick his ass now, she's no longer a "fragile" inferior human. He can't use her humanity as an exuse to manipulate/gaslight her anymore, so he starts kissing up. "You're not a weak mortal human anymore (and you're able to beat me), so now I (mostly) respect your autonomy as a person."
Another pushback in defense of Edward: Edward was the reluctant party about having sex. He didn't anticipate pregnancy, but he wanted to wait till she was a vampire in case something bad happens. And she begged and pleaded and cajoled him into having sex. I think this is important to remember. But that is the extent to which my defense of Edward extends. He is, in general, terrible.
Right in that she didn't respect his decision to wait. Had their genders been switched, viewers would see it as unfair. Pushing your partner to have sex (married or not) is garbage. If you can't level with your hearts and minds, leave the body/flesh out of the equation. ESPECIALLY since he couldn't fully enjoy it (and told her that). I wouldn't want my partner to fake it or not enjoy it. WTF message is that? "We are married now, so his (or her) body is mine." 😑😠 and now you also get to feel guilty about the bruises.🙄
Yeah it made me slightly uncomfortable to see the two celebrating over her finally getting sex, since that sends a pretty gross message imo of the other party is wrong if they are uncomfortable with doing something to you or engaging in sexual behaviour, and the wife is justified in constantly pushing and pushing. It's like they're Charlie, Bella is Jacob, Edward is Bella, and rather than blatant sexual assault it's simply disrespect for consent. I'd rather they just focus on Edward's fixation on telling Bella that he knows SHE doesn't want sex, agreed he should not tell her what she wants. But instead they focus more on he's not giving her what she wants and THAT'S wrong, which I wholeheartedly disagree with.
@@MerelvandenHurk They had no experience with any pregnancies. Carlisle is like 400 years old and hadn't come across it. They couldn't plan for something their experience told them was impossible.
For those who don’t understand, they used a CGI baby because they had many failed attempts with using a real baby. The babies were moving around and just being babies. Renesme is suppose to represent a hybrid human. You can’t tell a baby to stare lovingly into a persons eyes for 45 seconds straight 😅 so that’s why they used CGI.
The first Kristen Stewart film I saw was “Speak“ a school drama about coping mechanisms filmed when she was still a teenager. It is still one of the best and most haunting movies I have seen. I would love for a therapist to react to it and tell us how accurate it is to real world situations. Please and thank you.
I'm so glad someone finally says the birth scene is traumatizing. I am traumatized by birth scenes and lost consciousness for the first time of my life when I watched this movie. Really just, fainted on spot and almost fell off the bed we were sitting on. It happened again with other movies. When I confess that I fainted watching Twilight, people are confused. But this scene? It's so much worse than any horror movie because it wasn't supposed to be. It was supposed to be a cheesy bad romance, not this. And 12 years later, I'm so relieved to hear that I'm not weird, that this scene actually is horrible.
I’m so sorry you had to endure that. I don’t think it’s weird to find birth scenes traumatizing at all bc they can be disturbing. It’s understandable to me. I heard some other ppl said they were scared of pregnancy after watching this movie. I was scared to watch that scene even during my Twilight phase (which I obviously outgrew after I got bored of it and then realized how problematic, antiquated, and messed up that godforsaken series is). One of my friends was also scared to see it. and I still am scared now. People who think it’s weird to faint after seeing the birth scene in Breaking Dawn traumatizing are sus to me. I think that scene is enough to make someone faint considering Bella died of childbirth and the fetus was sucking the life out of her.
You just reminded me of when I took child development as a class in school and there was one boy and about thirty girls who had chosen it. We watched a very graphic birth video one lesson and the poor boy had to run out and throw up.
Coming from a woman who's given birth twice, childbirth can be scary, especially if you don't know what's happening fully. Outside of the whole discussion of raising said children and just focusing on the birthing, do your research, talk to medical professionals, and just be aware that there will be pain. It's been years since and though I don't remember everything, there have been things that have stuck in my memory. I definitely wish I was calmer during my first labor, but I can forgive myself since it was my first. Obviously, though, real pregnancy and childbirth is NOT like what Bella had to go through. The baby's not a blood-thirsty leech that will tear your body apart and shatter half your bones.
Mustache Dad: "Jacob...put your clothes on." Wolfy: "This may seem strange, but stranger things happen every day." *I LEFT CC ON AND IT WAS THE GREATEST THING*
"What is it about the fifth movie that makes it actually entertaining" Bella finally has an ounce of agency. That's it. She actually can stand on equal footing and is not constantly being subjugated by everyone around her lmao
Saying the CG baby is the worst decision is hilarious. They need to look up pictures of Chuckesme..the doll they filmed with and will definitely agree that CG is a thousand times better 😆
I looked that up - MY GOD that thing looks like it probably axe murders people. Heck it makes the Annabelle doll seem saintly by comparison. No wonder some people think it's haunted. The CGI was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY less horrifying.
If it wasn't specifically Edward's sperm that Jacob was also attracted to, just the egg within Bella's ovaries, then....what if Bella chose him and he fathered the baby instead....would he have imprinted in his own daughter? I ask because Jacob HATED Edward, so clearly being attracted to both parts that make up whatever child would have been born in any case isn't neccessary.... Just to make everyone feel as uneasy as me, thought I should share. Have fun trying to move from this. Also, does this mean Bella was one period away from losing her connection with Jacob anyways?
Sperm only lives 5 days in the balls and 1-2 days outside of the balls or womb. So it would’ve been him getting real hot for Eddy boy like, on his wedding day maybe?
Oh man, the first part of this video, when they are talking about Bella being pregnant and at risk, really hit home for me. When my mum was pregnant with my brother, she was diagnosed with an aggressive form of melanosarcoma (skin cancer) that had already spread to her lymph nodes. The medical advice they got at the time was that she should abort and immediately start treatment, to improve her chances of survival. I was only 6 at the time, so I don't remember a huge amount of what was going on, but I remember it being a sad and scary time. Props to my Mum and Dad, there was never any argument or disagreement between them - they chose to face and fight the battle together. In the end, they chose to continue the pregnancy - she had surgery to remove the primary tumour and all the local lymph nodes, and then had my brother, and then started treatment afterwards. 37 years later I still have my baby brother AND my mum and dad, so it was the right call :)
23:52 "My magic sex will fix broken boy" JUST KILLS ME!!! It was so funny!! And the way Alan doesn't even smile a little bit after he said that just makes it even funnier! I'm so grateful that you make these videos! I love them and I love you you two are just amazing people ^^ :D
That sad moment when Charlie hugs Bella and feels how cold and hard she's become, like a statue; further solidifying that his daughter has become something else, and has gone where he can't follow. God, Charlie deserved a better daughter! A better story!
Literally. I feel like Bella loved the idea of being a vampire more than she loved Edward tbh. She was OBSESSED with turning when she knew she was leaving behind her father, mother, humanity. Edward advised her against it, Rosalie tried to stop her. But she wanted to be a vampire without even thinking about the consequences of it on her eternal life and family!
@@jasminecruz This, this, all of this! I 100% agree. This was one of the (many) things that I hated about her character. You are so caught up in your obsessive desire for "perfection" that you toss aside your entire family without even batting an eyelash. What really pushed me over the edge and what actually caused me the stop ready BD for months was the part where she has the audacity to say that she was "born to be a vampire" after her transition...to this day I still laugh in disbelief at that line. After that... the story just turned into wish fulfillment (i.e. Bella never truly/realistically losing anything from her transition, her father stays in her life and she doesn't lose her relationship/dependency with Jacob) and Bella becomes a complete Mary Sue character (and not even a good one... -_- ).
A little story of my experience watching that birth scene they mention at 12:40 when I was a teen: I was in high school and went to see it in theaters with my sisters. That scene came on, and just as Alan and Johnathan described, the sound design was traumatic. I started to feel sick and told my sisters I was going to run to the washroom real quick. I scurry between the seats and out the doors of the theater, making my way down the hall to the bathroom. Suddenly I feel lightheaded and my vision tunneling. I saw a woman coming towards me, so I look at her and go "excuse me. I think im gonna--" and BONK. I FAINT. Right in the middle of the hallway to the bathroom. I wake up seconds later with a crowd around me asking if I was okay. God I was so embarrassed and could not handle any bloody scenes from any movie after that for years.
As someone with anger issues, I think the scene at 6:22 is a pretty decent example of anger management from Bella. She's aware that she's getting really angry and can communicate "get my daughter out of the room, and my husband shouldn't be touching me right now." And once she's sure no one else is going to be harmed, she goes off on Jacob. Also, the scene where she goes off on Jacob is probably my favorite one in the series xD (minus any scene with Michael Sheen in it, of course)
I think Jacob imprinting on Renesmee would have been more palatable if their relationship had STAYED a niece/uncle relationship or brother/sister relationship instead of developing later on as a romantic relationship. It would make more sense for him to just be protective of her, rather than him destined to be her future lover. I also would have liked to see the other aspects of imprinting that Jacob mentioned, like being a protector, brother or friend, in other pairings to further cement the “being what she needs” instead of “being what she needs until she falls in love with me”. I also would have liked to see some same sex imprinting, both romantic and platonic, but unfortunately, considering the fact that Meyers in Mormon, the only time you would get that is in fanfiction. I like the idea of soulmates not always having to be romantic or hetero, because irl it’s not like that.
Oh my God ! Thank you ! I just commented on that. I don't remember a lot about those movies. But it never occured to me that imprinting was for lovers only. And yeah ! Totally agree on the soulmate thing.
@@anonymousfellow8879 Jacob didn’t imprint on Bella. Werewolves only imprint on one person in their lives and for Jacob, that was Renesmee. And Jacob assaulted her cause he’s a fucking asshole. I’m not saying people would have liked it (though, some weirdos would), I’m just saying it would be more palatable, which isn’t the same thing.
I think an in-universe explanation for why same-sex imprinting doesn't happen is that they imprint based on who gives their werewolf genes the best chance to be passed on? Pretty sure it's in book 2 or 3 somewhere. Which is still super weird because of all of those implications. They made the correct decision to leave that out of the movies.
"to whoever worked on that visual effect : we don't blame you for this work". True men with actual respect and brains there. Sirs, you're awesome. Sending a bunch of virtual hugs to you.
I remember loving this series in middle school, but me and my friend would literally debate for hours as I told her how awful imprinting is. I didn't see how awful Bella and Edward's relationship was at the time, but god I knew fully how imprinting is creepy as hell. Good for you younger me, at least you didn't support grooming!
The whole "I don't want this baby who killed you" IS a real-life thing and it's pretty horrifying. My best friend from childhood works in a maternity hospital, and once she had this horrible story of a perfectly healthy mom who went into labour and it started to go bad after she delivered the baby. She went into reanimation, then sceptic shock. All the while during his wife's agony, the husband was telling my friend how much he loved his wife, how he could not live without her, and how SHE wanted the child and he kinda got along with it because he loved her so much and she was going to die and he would be left alone with this baby he did not want that much. After like 23 hours, she passed away. My friend and the hospital crew had to do checkups on the dad after this horrible day. They did not do these only out of concern for poor bloke's mental health but for the baby, they were genuinely scared that he might hurt her or abandon her - even making plan for a possible adoption. Hopefully, the dad had a great support system and he grew to love his and his late wife's daughter. Upon hearing the story, my boyfriend and I went "nope, we're never having a baby".
I can understand husbands who love their wives and wives who love their husbands being devastated if they died but in a healthy relationship one would be able to go on without the other because it's what the other would want them to do. People who say "I can't live without you" are teetering on the verge of obsession.
@can.tgoback You think Twilight is a good exploration of trauma? You're giving a series as shit as it too much credit. Edward didn't love Bella. He somehow mistook wanting to drink her blood for wanting her. Meyer only portrays their relationship as love because her mind is warped.
Not quite related but personally I always assumed this is the real reason Snape hates Harry Potter. He just doesn't want to admit it because people have an easier time accepting that he hates his bully's child than "if this child was never born the person I love would still be alive." Which is really an omission of guilt for the part he played in causing Lily's death. Kinda feel like I'm alone in this opinion though.
The reason Edward relaxed when they married was because she was committed to him. Then he was ultimately "accountable" when she turned into a vampire because she was final form and there was no way for her to ever leave him at that point. As soon as toxic people realize they've trapped the people they want to control with them, then they relax because that person no longer has options OTHER than them.
Within the books' lore, those who are changed have an almost psychic bond with the one who changed them and somehow can't leave or be without them. It's inconsistent what the relationship is, but it's shown to be incredibly difficult to leave them. It is a "trapping" situation, regardless of how sinister or innocent the act is. Carlisle changed Edward at his mother's request, Rosalie at Edward's request, Emmett at Rosalie's request, and Esme as his match. Alice had no memory of who changed her so it's almost like she's an orphan. Jasper, I think, was the only one who managed to leave those who changed him, and that might have only been because he had more control over himself and because his change was as a war asset.
@@hayleybartek8643 Wait, really? Damn, I only remember that Bella and Edward were destined because her blood "called him", like the attraction was too strong between them
I always thought it was interesting that Edward couldn’t treat Bella with any kind of autonomy until she was a vampire and therefore his equal. Like they kept grasping at the idea that Bella needed to stay human and at the same time played it as an inferior or weaker way to be that needs to be guarded (which if this book series had any moral metaphors, it vaguely resembles how we often treat female virginity)
I guess, if you squint hard... you'll see Bella finally finding herself and becoming the person she really wants to be? While everyone around her trying to put her in her place, how she should be and how she should behave according to the right society norms? Though even if this was the intended message, it is still very much burried under all that toxic relationship bulls-t.
The problem I have with this moral metaphor is that it takes the entirely irrational cult around the "pure helpless virgin that needs to be protected" and represents it by something that gives it some serious legitimacy that it doesn't deserve. The vampires have the religious believe that they are cursed and their souls are doomed to hell (which somewhat corresponds with the asinine conservative religious trope of being "tainted" and becoming sinful by sex, with almost no regards to the circumstances), but the vampires are bloodthirsty monsters with an urge to kill and are blatantly supernatural, so their believe that they are cursed and that humans should not be turned into them (least of all humans they like) makes a whole lot more sense than protecting virginity. Also, all of them are multiple times stronger, more durable and more experienced, living this undead existence for many decades if not centuries and she is a clueless teenager who didn't even know vampires existed until she met them, so them treating her like a clueless child who can't make her own decisions regarding issues that connect to the vampire world and who certainly can't protect herself is also a whole lot more legitimate than the real world issue it is supposed to symbolize. Especially because Bella almost constantly confirms it by making the most immature and dangerous decisions possible.
@@alhena11 But not before marrying and sacrificing almost her entire life and changing to become Edward's equal. That just sends the message that you won't be their equal unless you change yourself completely, while the message should have been that he accepts her either way.
I remember how obsessed I was with this series. I cried when I finished reading BD. Returning as an adult, I’ve realized just how much I have had to unlearn because I initially didn’t see the horrible side of these stories. I agree with Alan and John. Imprinting is truly horrifying.
I never realized, to this moment, how abusive Edward was. As a teenage girl, I thought, he was caring and "sexy refusing and denying" and "sexy" overprotective and there was this thrilling tension between her suicidal commitment (meeting with stranger in ballet studio) and Edwards neurotic "protecting", always ending in bigger problem, for me, romantic tragedy. Now I see, how this romanticization and dream of similar boys, even before seeing Twilight, was unhealthy for me and leaded me to wanting some drama and tension between every boyfriend and maybe also friend, I had.
…oh honey there’s a whooooole subgenre of it. Twilight’s just the most infamous ig?? 😅🤣 -and my female friends WONDERED why I, also female, haaaaaate romcoms as a General Rule (yes there’s exceptions but y’know.) and just. Refused to eeeeveeeer read/watch this crap…-
I watched this second part on the cinema with my cousin. When Jane died, EVERYONE cheered. It was epic! But then we found out it was a just Alice's vision, everyone booed and threw popcorn at the screen.
I only watched this one in the theaters- my friend introduced me to breaking dawn part 1 and I saw that right before- never saw the middle to at that point (thank goodness) twilight was playing at a group thing when it first came out but I just kinda didn't pay any mind to it. I actually like the blue filter indy vibes of the first one. The second one tried too hard to be hollywoody- new director and such. I remember people actually liked the first one cause it was a new concept before vampires and wolves were overdone. I think people started to take it less seriously or started hating it during the second and third movie. I know by the end of the series and once 50 shades came out they hated it and started analyzing it more. I thought the last two really stood on their own with their own vibes from the second and third in a really great campy way- they just felt more mature in a sense with acting and direction. Point of comment was yes the fight scene was EPIC and kinda a let down it was just a dream lol
@@tiph3802 Jane was the one that could inflict pain on people. At first,the movie make us think a bunch of characters died,but turns out it was just a vision
I read all the books in three days when I was home sick from school, and even with a teenage brain I could see how toxic the relationships were. I watched the first three movies when they came out and they were so terrible I never watched the two Breaking Dawn ones. So apparently I missed the only moments of entertainment to be had in the entire franchise. Please don't do 50 Shades. You deserve better.
The whole “baby” makes no sense because Stephanie Meyer explained, unless I’m remembering wrong, that Vampires don’t have flowing blood so how could Edward get it up to even get Bella pregnant 🤷🏻♀️😂
Of all the ideas Stephanie had to conclude Jacob’s arc, this was what she came up with! Not make use of an existing age appropriate character, but this!
What’s even more disturbing is the assumed alternate (but discarded?) plotline implied by the fact that Jacob was so attracted to Bella because of the future Renesmee. Let alone that it is basically straight up grooming in the published canon… but then one wonders what Meyer’s intentions were if Bella had chosen Jacob; it’s not hard to cringe at where she might have taken the imprinting plot point! It’s just so gross no matter which way you round it
On the grooming problem: How is Jacob grooming the little CGI creature? He's the one who has no choices: he's stuck to her and her needs, and _he_ is the one who will adapt to whatever she needs. There's nothing there about _her_ adapting to him. So basically, whatever Jacob was up to that point, his personality is now poured into a "Renecreme's needs" mold that keeps changing. The most harmless outcome of that is that when she's five, Jacob can probably look forward to being obsessed with Elsa for a couple of years, because that's what Renegotiate wants to talk about at least two hours a day. How about that for creepy.
@@Julia-lk8jn he isnt actually doing it but its the concept and it applies here, because the story simply went that way. jacob could have been a brother, uncle, etc. but nope the story demanded him to take care of her until she is old enough to be his romantic partner. which is grooming.
@@Darkstormsun9865 not buying it. _normally_ that would be grooming because if you raise a child you inevitably firm that child's character, and you'd have to be the perfect person. To not do that with "what sort of partner do I want" in mind. But Jacob's the one being formed not the little CGI doll. If she turns out a lesbian, he's going to be her platonic friend for ever. Which would be grimly hilarious because that's exactly what he was for her mother.
I really love that Allan talks about directing in those videos, I feel like he doesn't talk about it enough. We have a lot of therapy (and it's awsome) but the film direction part is as much as important and interesting in my opinion. Thanks for the hard work though :)
While it is true that Bella's turn did ultimately bring her happiness, I'm not on board with the subtext. The idea that you have to change yourself completely - and I'm not referring to change that naturally comes with personal growth and improvement - to find your sense of purpose and be happy is a dangerous message to send to young girls.
especially considering the change canonically makes her extremely beautiful, as though Kirsten Stewart wasn't already stunning by any normal person's standards
I think we can look at it differently though. I only read the 1st book (and only watched the 1st movie) but I remember Bella was kinda out of it from the very beginning, even before meeting Edward. She was uncomfortable for me to read about as she was awkward and with very low self-esteem. I think the fact that she was attracted to Edward, that she wasn't afraid of him and that she wanted to become a vampire, shows us she didn't feel natural as a human. Just like there are people born with the wrong gender, and they feel much better after going through a transformation. So yeah, I prefer to see this as a metaphor for changing yourself to better fit who you really are, as she didn't change for Edward but for herself. (Still this series is terrible and I can't believe I was able to go through a whole book)
@@nettaboyar9870 you make a fair point, maybe the metaphor could work in that sense for people who are transgender. But since I’m not myself, I don’t want to speak for them. I am curious how a transgender person would feel towards this metaphor.
@@courtneylovett8307 I'm enby, so in the general field? I'd say that tracks if they put more focus on her wanting vampirism for herself and less focus on her obsession with Edward and his abuse. It can be read either way depending on how it's handled.
Edward, when Bella cuts her finger and Jasper goes nuts: Throws Bella into a glass table Bella: Take Reneesme out of the room. Edward, don't touch me right now, I don't want to hurt you. Bella has more self-control and good sense on her first day as a vampire than Edward at 109.
"I hope they don't make us do 50 shades or the after series" Damn, there goes my idea... But if they ever do any of those, I hope they'll watch some great, wholesome movies before that.
I did learn something about healthy relationships from Twilight: what a healthy relationship *isn't.* I read the books when I was a teen and was obsessed with them for months and thought they were so romantic and just kept rereading them until I'd read them so many times that I could no longer ignore the red flags that I'd initially brushed over and started to realize that the relationship wasn't healthy. I think Twilight were the first romance books I'd ever read and afterwards, seeing aspects of relationships in other books that were similar to Twilight was an immediate red flag to me.
@@paulnicholson5997 That certainly is a red flag, but it's not what made me realize the relationship wasn't healthy -- it was that Edward knew his very presence put Bella in grave danger and yet gives in to his own desire to be with her anyway, and that he agreed to turn her into a vampire even though he was genuinely convinced that becoming a vampire destroys your soul.
@@Lucky10279 yeah he did do that, your right. I also remember he did try to convince her not to be a vampire pretty strenuously though, and even bailed on her hoping she would give it up( which shows a serious lack of understanding when it comes to a love obsessed teenage girl) considering how long he's been alive. So my wife read all the books and said there was much more nuance, like you would expect in a book vs. Movie scenario. But one of the things that continued to piss me off was the " have your cake and eat it too" way Bella treated both Edward and especially Jacob, man she used poor Jacob for a doormat and he was simping for her way to hard.
@@paulnicholson5997 Yeah, Bella isn't great either. I don't think she meant to hurt Jake -- she was just in so much emotional pain and didn't know how to act around him. What _really_ gets me though is that, rather than, you know, _reasoning_ with Edward when he says he thinks becoming a vampire destroys your soul, she just completely disregards his belief and focuses solely on what _she_ wants, regardless of how it makes Edward feel. Neither one of them knows what a healthy relationship looks like.
@@Lucky10279 your right about that too. She was extremely selfish, bording on Narcissistic. Then again, it is a work of fiction written by a woman, clearly from a womens point of view. I can remember when I was a teen, I had a couple " run, don't walk to the exit" type chicks, so they are out there. Stephanie Myer new her fan base though and had all of those young tween and some not so young( I'm looking at you, wife) eating out of her palm with what is basically a Vampire vs Werewolf, meets harlequin, only not as smutty, Romance that puts the female reader in the shoes of bella. Pure Genius, $ Cha- Ching$!
I honestly can't believe that I grew up loving these movies and the books as a teen.. I can't fathom what my teenage brain saw in it, or if it was just the hype because everyone was obsessed. But watching you guys go through all the movies in such detail an honesty taught me so much about myself and how I've grown as a person, because now I can't watch these movies with anything but horror and disgust. Thank you so much!
I was the same way, but to be fair, it is a very interesting phenomenon: Meyer took a fandom that had just come out off Rowling's work and was juuuuust the right age to really buy into the whole late teen angst fantasy romance thing the books were attempting to convey, while living in a time where people didn't really talk about healthy vs toxic behavior in relationships and a lot of rom coms from the same era would never fly nowadays.
That’s precisely why they market these kinds of movies/shows/books to teens, because they know that their undeveloped brains won’t fully comprehend all the terrible social implications.
I was also a big fan of the movies and the books. I seriously loved them. Now, I enjoy them as the cheese garbage they are and laugh at their garbageness.
I never thought I’d complement a twilight film for anything but as an animator, those wolves are genuinely so well done. They’re actually so entertaining to watch, the subtle acting when the wolf gets up after being slammed into the tree and the other one comes over to help is just unexpectedly good? It’s like a really strong mix of human emotion on top of recognisable canine behaviour.
They're basically weightless, though :( they kinda drift through space like holograms and their movements are not very canine at all, it's generic Big Predator Movements
Just to be “that guy”, you guys really SHOULD cover how problematic 50 Shades is. I don’t enjoy seeing the two of you in pain, but I’ve had an AMAZING time listening to the two of you tear Twilight apart from start to finish. As a human who wasted hours of her life that she can never get back to prove a point, it feels like everything has come full circle. It all started when one roommate said the book series was awesome and another roommate cried about life wasted, I was thrust into the tiebreaker roll and by the GODS did I tear down the books after finishing. After that I was tricked by various other friends into going to see literally ALL of the movies and risked life and limb to do “in-theatre” what you guys did here on RUclips and it was WORTH EVERY MINUTE to see the utter hate in the faces of those around me as I cracked joke after joke. It’s the theme of this channel to teach from film and should ABSOLUTELY include problematic films from time to time. Thank you guys for covering this utterly terrible series. While the movies are 100% un-re-watchable (as if that were an actual word), these episodes are hilarious and will be rewatched many many times.
If you're looking for quality content on how problematic 50S is (until Alan and Jonathan decide to buckle up and fall into the void), may I recommend you check out Kennie J.D., Amanda The Jedi and Dominic Noble's channels?
@@elenabe4718 hmmm maybe not Dominic Noble, he only focuses on one side’s toxicity. A lot of people tend to only focus on Christian being a bad boyfriend, but Anna isn’t any better in terms of being toxic. (Both parties are equally bad and I hardly see people talk about that.)
@@AnInkStick I think he talks about Ana too, maybe in the sequels' videos... But I don't remember that well tbh. One I know addresses both Christian and Ana's toxicity is Kennie. I really enjoy her analysis even when I haven't watched the movie
So I only read the first book and it took me waaaaay longer than I usually take to finish a book. By the end i was so furious for wasting ,y life reading that garbage. Every time I stopped reading I would think to myself "that can't be it, there must be a real plot somewhere in this story" when I reached the end where he hit her and she ran home and was crying on her bed, I felt just so angry. There was no plot, there was no story. It was literally just about this fetish of a man and how he abused a super naïve young lady and it's honestly disgusting
@@elenabe4718 I appreciate the offer and I may look into those channels at some point, but I am already very aware of how problematic 50 Shades is without having spent a single moment of my own time on it. Those in my community were very quick to spread the word that it was NOT what it presented itself as and even attempted damage control in the months that followed the release of the first movie in hopes of stopping it in it’s tracks. As we all know, their efforts were in vain as the series continued with more installments.
I was in an abusive relationship in my early 20s. I also read twilight when I was a teen and idolized Edward and Bellas relationship. To be perfectly honest I blame it, in part, for the unrealistic and dangerous ideals I had on love. My ex abused me but I often told myself that the obsessive controlling behavior was just him loving me so much. I convinced myself that him taking my phone away from me and deleting messages from my friends was because he loved me and wanted to protect me. I convinced myself that when he hurt me it was okay because he loved me and was doing it to better me and protect me from myself. It took me years to realize the truth. So while I find the thought of banning books abhorrent I think books like this need to come with disclaimers. So people can see red flags for what they are and not romanticize them.
Woah... I am so sadden to hear what you went through. Yes, I always thought these books need to have a disclaimer of some sort. Young audience sometimes don't understand. I read the first book of twilight when I was in middle school and admittedly, I did like it. But I never based my relationship on Edward and Bella's relationship. I think I always knew it wasn't realistic. I made it out fine. But others may not. And that's what scares me. Everyone really deserves to know that these books are not romantically healthy in reality.
I love how you just glossed over the suicidal ancient vampire, that closed his eyes gracefully and said "Ah finally" as he was ripped to shredds. Honestly, that moment shaped me as a person 😂. I remember being an: abused, homeless, honors student, with a full ride scholarship and violent parents. Watching that in the theaters and thinking to myself "Yes, I want to experience that moment of all this pain, coming to an end...finally."
Marcus one of the Voltori elders his wife(Aro's sister) died centuries earlier and he's been wanting to die ever since he realized there was no chance of getting revenge. What he doesn't know is that Aro killed her because Marcus was going to leave the Volturi with her and he saw Marcus's power he has one apparently as more valuable than hers so he killed her to keep Marcus but then Marcus has been depressed they've been using the powers of another voltarian member who can create and Destroy bonds to keep him bound to the Volturi so he won't try to die.
I mean, I interpreted it as a human person trapped in an immortal, ancient body - which is unnatural and takes a toll, because humans are meant to die after a while. Same take as in the movie In Time. Not teenage suicidal thoughts which indicate the person should seek help to live a healthy lifespan and quality of life.
Okay but that fake-out fight scene for the first time in theaters was a thrilling take. I'd read the books, more than once, and had seen every movie in theaters. I was 16 and I remember having the cohesive thought while watching it "Okay, this is a different direction an- oh shit people are actually dying? Okay okay let's see where this goes, this is great! What can they do with this?" and then it was revealed to be a vision and someone in the theater shouted out "SHUT THE FRUNT DOOR!" and I couldn't have agreed with an outburst more. I was slightly disappointed that it wasn't real.
I'm actually sad that this is the last one of the twilight saga. We deserved more of Jonathans disgusted face and Alan's "why is this happening" face. It was spiritual healing to watch them
Schadenfreude at its finest
@@scofieldvictoria oh my god, completely correct 😄
Likewise, I'll miss seeing Jonathan and Alan make fun of this franchise, and acknowledge how NOT to go about relationships.
I was secretly hoping that this was a Breaking Dawn part 2 of the first movie, and that we would get 2 more parts of Breaking Dawn 2 LOL
I know! I mean they’re so happy for it to be done, but I’m kinda sad😆
If you consider this franchise from Charlie's perspective, it becomes downright horrifying. His daughter gets married, barely out of high school, at 18, to her boyfriend, the same person who caused her to be depressed for months on end after he abandoned her for her protection. Then, he hears that she was hospitalised on her honeymoon, and next time he sees her, her eyes have changed colour, and she's obviously not the same person. Add to Jacob revealing his Werewolf form to him, and growing older while Bella lives forever, always looking like a teenager, and you have yourself a psychological horror.
And your granddaughter is being groomed and no one is horrified by that
Let's not forget his granddaughter aged like 10 years in one year and all Bella keeps saying is "you don't need to know". Charlie is a literal saint.
It would be actually so cool to have like a movie from charlies perspective and like really leaning into the psychological horror of it all
@@TheShaleco i would totally watch this
@@TheShaleco that unfortunately would require any semblance of acknowledgement from stephenie meyers that the foundation of anything she deems to be romantic is in fact horrifying
I laughed so hard at "Jacob.... put your clothes back on." It's like Charlie is the only person in this series who actually knows what's up.
it may seem strange that I am stripping naked but stranger things happen everyday🤣
Everyone likes Charlie as a favorite character and he is funny and plays a sweet and very attentive great Dad, but best character in a movie with supernatural characters.... He's good, but not the best character, he just has some of the best comedic lines...
he's the best character in a movie with supernatural characters because the movie is that terrible.@@judelyanne2966
"Jacob, keep your shirt on!"
_"NO."_
Whoever did the closed captioning and referred to Edward, Jacob and Bella as “Sparky”, “Wolfy” and “Mama Bear” is a friggen genius.
Vampire Bride... there's EXCELLENT snark for the whole series in closed caption!!
Mama BLING! at 18:54 💎
And what about Moustache Dad 😂😂😂?!
Yees. They clearly enjoyed this.
@@chrysleague LOL WUT
And he's also like, "How dare you make a decision without me!" when throughout the whole series he keeps making decisions without her "for her sake".
Yes!
A decision that affects him and kills her. Just because he was wrong before, doesn't mean he isn't right in this.
XD it’s basically Bella taking revenge on the crap Edward has done to her
@@lunavioleta001 absolutely, and I agree with Alan on the point he made with regards to Bella wanting to keep her baby. It also comes across as anti-choice propaganda. I still think it's funny those words came out of his mouth though.
@@lunavioleta001 Certainly, but he's still a hypocrite.
The best thing about Twilight is that Robert Pattinson kept repeating FOR YEARS that Edward is fucked up and we collectively decided to ignore him XD
Just like Penn Badgley with "You"
When he describes the 2nd movie as literally nothing happens LOL
Major respect to patty robbs
Speak for yourself, some of use were screaming about this garbage since the beginning!
Yeah, I do love how no-one is more done with the franchise than him.
Bella throwing Jacob and beating of the shit out of him for imprinting on his daughter seems to be the most realistic and awesome moment-because Bella for once pulls her head out of her ass and realizes a toxic relationship.
I've got to admit that I agree, even though I'm not interested in this series anymore. But, I have enjoyed these guy's commentaries on it though. I don't understand why Stephanie Meyer chose to go into that creepy direction, with those characters. He could've just offered to be her godfather instead. But, I didn't write the books.
I'm imagining Taylor taking a break every time they finish a shoot for him to go puke in the bathroom cuz of how gross the story is. XD
Precisely, kudos to Bella for not being passive, and actually being the tar out of Jacob for daring to imprint on her infant daughter. Though NOBODY could take the line "YOU NICKNAMED MY DAUGHTER AFTER THE LOCH NESS MONSTER?!" seriously! 😂🤣
And the Cullens think it's funny that Bella is beating on Jacob for imprinting on her child? What if she killed him then Bella & the Cullens would've been exterminated by Jacob's pack Bella's choices would've destroyed an entire family. Jacob's dad Billy would've been devastated so would Charley because both fathers have lost their children on Bella's account of wanting to be a vampire so she can tell everyone that was in her human life to kiss her ass. And speaking of toxic relationship look at her & Edward their relationship isn't love Bella loves Edward for what he is, what he can give her & Edward is nothing but a control freak.
Im wondering if this pedophilia type relationship was thev reason Hollywood picked up this story and pushed it so hard... because this was the final relationship
Jonathan’s reaction to the CGI baby is so freakin’ funny😂😂
🙈🙈
I had to pause and rewind for The scream 😂😂😂
I swear scorpion king had better CGI than this crap
CGI baby: Uh, meow?
you should see the animatronic they were originally gonna use. much, much worse
Hold up. If Jacob was drawn to Bella because half of Nessie "wanted" him, shouldn't he have also been drawn to Edward for the other half?
Lol
No, he would have been drawn to Edward only on the day he impregnated Bella. Because, while all the thousands of eggs stay in the ovaries of a woman for her whole life, sperm cells are freshly created almost every day.
Of course we don’t exactly know how Vampire balls work (I just wrote that) but I don’t believe Edward carried the same semen for over 90 years (GOODBYE 💀)
he totally WAS drawn to Edward, we all saw it
😳
@@bonessai well, didn’t Edward say he was a virgin? So maybe he held on to his human swimmers-cryopreserved, y’a know?-and that’s how he got Bella pregnant, and that’s why Jacob is hot-glarin at Edward for too many movies.
To Alan and Jonathan: Thank you for all your service.
Preach, they sit through it all for our sakes. Hallelujah, our RUclips Dads! 💜
Yea I was gonna say that😂
Articulating what we couldn't about the entire Twilight franchise 😂
Yes. This. I always wanted to find a way to watch these movies just to know exactly what I was disgusted by, but I couldn’t bring myself to fully watch them. This is FAR better.
Alan Seawright: For all your film decapitation & appendage removal shot needs!
My dad had a friend who saw me as a newborn and told my dad, in that moment, "She is going to be my wife". Years later, I am married to someone my age, and that friend hasn't been allowed in my parents lives since he left that day he said that to my dad. It's creepy, that's a fact.
Edit: I didn't expect so many likes lol. For those who are curious, this "friend" had a lot of mental issues and claimed I was going to marry him with the utmost seriousness, and it absolutely freaked my dad out. When he retold this story to me, after I was grown and married for a few years, he still was super creeped out by it. It made him super protective, and he taught me about keeping creeps out of my life which was useful, as this "friend" was the first of at least seven people who would creep on me, most of them appearing in my late teens/young adult years, and one as recently as a month ago.
I thought this was going to be a joke. I was mistaken. I'm glad that guy is out of your family lmfao
Glad to hear it
Yikeeessss. That's insane. He really risked it all for a baby. And said it out loud! Good riddance
@Anne Day Double EW
Glad your dad didn't keep him as a friend cause that was weird as hell
I love how apart from "Don't model your relationships after this" the most important message of this reaction series is "If you can get Michael Sheen, GET MICHAEL SHEEN"
Michael Sheen IS awesome
Fr he's a gem
Also, in this case, he’s the only person who understands what movie he’s in.
" you will not learn anything about healthy sexuality from Twilight" as someone who spent their formative tween years obsessed with this series I can say with 100% certainty that this statement is correct
Well, you can definitely learn what not to do which, in a sense, can be considered learning about healthy sexuality. It's possible to learn good things from bad examples after all. You just need to realize it is a bad example.
You poor thing... And all others who had the same experience
@Kyle Rivera very true
Oh honey I’m sorry that no one explained to you that this franchise both the books & movies were fantasy and therefore not at all based in reality no matter how hard they tried to mesh the two. Nonetheless they’re fiction fantasy! That’s it and that’s all.
@@tbow7785 Stories, as fictional as they may be, convey messages that can affect the reader subconsciously - in this case, it's the messages about toxic relationships portrayed as "romantic"
The best analysis I’ve ever seen of this series is “you know you’ve matured when you realize Charley was the hot one all along”
TEAM CHARLIE
For real though! I was never in the series for any of the romance. I like to Charlie and I liked Carlisle. That was why I read the book. And it wasn't even in a romantic way. I just thought they were good people.
@@synthraofficial5366 Same! Charlie and Carlisle are the only things I like about this movie 😂
personally i’m team carlisle
*cough* Team Dilf *cough* So sorry for that bone my throat
You guys didn’t mention this, but Bella was totally willing to just let Charlie think she was dead and never see him again. Then Jacob told Charlie sort of the truth, and Edward and Bella got mad at him for it. Edward talks about Bella‘s pain, but neither of them has given a single thought to Charlie’s pain.
It's really messed up
Cause who cares about her lame old dad when she’s got important people like husband and daughter /sarcasm but this is sadly what people seem to think.
Teenage girl logic
I have always wondered how she was just going to let her mom and dad think she was dead as well. They just wrote off the mom as just some airhead but she very obviously still loved her daughter.
That’s just horrible. I really don’t u understand Twilight
Exactly!!! This is what I don’t like about Bella’s character. She only cares about herself and being with Edward and she doesn’t care about how her decision affects everyone else in her life.
22:40 this also sends the very dangerous message, that many abuse victims believe that "if I just prove myself worthy then he will stop abusing me and be a great partner" thanks stephanie
Oh lol 20 seconds later you say the same
“The whole point of twilight is my magic sex will fix broken boy” and it’s even funnier because Jonathan was laughing his arse off and Alan maintained his straight face through it xD
This was legit the best line either of them said in this entire video series.
Keeping a straight face through that is the true super power.
@@kateworkman921 I feel the same, this was powerful
Magical healing vagina.... 😲
I have been that girl before, trust me, it doesn't work
"I was in love with the egg inside you." 😂😂😂 I'm truly sad that you guys are done with this Saga because this commentary has been GOLD!
I don't get that, though. If Jacob was so in love with Bella's egg, (cringe) then why would he want to kill Renesme in the first place? He would have no feeling for Bella once Renesme was born, and would have no urge to 'avenge' her death. Also, he would have been able to sense her presence as soon as he walked in the room. After all, "it's a wolf thing."
@@returnoftheromans6726 Well he didn't know he was going to imprint on Rocketship at all. The notion was always that there was this inexplicable bond between Bella & Jacob and a part of them that was "meant to be". Because of the nature of her pregnancy, no one was supposed to be able to see or interact with the baby through the amniotic sack (except when Edward could telepathically hear it because... reasons lol). I'd have to double check the books, but as far as I remember it's a "first laid eyes on her" type situation
I seriously hope you spelled it Rocketship on purpose
@@amyturner2034 What do you mean 😂 Oh you talking about Reunion?!
@@TejahG misspelled it twice it’s actually Rotisserie
Special effects guy here, thank you so much for pointing out the fact that the creepy baby isn’t the fault of the special effects artists but rather the director/producers/etc who made the decision.
I’ve lost count of the amount of times I hated how something turned out but had no choice because of the director. It’s the downside of the job, especially when you get blamed for it.
True but they had to make the best of the bad decision since it was a reshoot with almost no time. Look up Chucknesmee and you'll see the "baby" that was used in the scenes that Renesmee was still a newborn. After seeing THAT you won't think the CGI baby is as bad considering they had almost no time to make her better
And they used ACTUAL BABIES on the set when filming! It was just stupid
In the book Renesmee develops abnormally fast due to being part vampire and that's why they needed to CGI a more mature face on the baby. It was the film being faithful to the book, not an actual choice outside of the book.
The fact that Charlie never questioned how Recalibration went from a baby to an 11 year old in like under a year is beyond me.
She was only a couple months old by the end of the second movie btw.
Who tf is recalibration? XD
renesme i’m guessing lol
RECALIBRATION😭😭😭
@@billbombshiggy9254 I knew what they meant but still asked myself this as well 😆
As a native Scottish person, can confirm that Alan's accent is 100% accurate and we would like him to return to be our rightful King!
I giggled like a school girl and blushed through that entire ad.
LOVE a Scottish accent!!!
Fellow Scot agrees
Getting total Outlander vives
Especially the landowner = laird bit, something they should have left in the Old World...
Long live King Alan
“Imprinting is grooming” - Yes. How did Stephanie Meyer not realize how fucked up this whole process is?
Because she’s Mormon, and clearly is into that shit
Because all of this is what she LIKES. She didn't character assassinate Jacob intentionally, she was trying to HELP. According to Stephanie Meyer, she was taking pity on the people who for some reason preferred Jacob to Edward. Someone that, to her eyes, had literally nothing going for him while Edward had everything. So everything prior to this was her trying to make him more appealing as an acknowledgement of her fans, and this was her attempting to give the shippers a consolation prize. It's like your cat noticing you like to watch the blue jays on your porch, and deciding to leave half of one in your slipper overnight. Just a horrific misunderstanding.
@@arikray7030 what is a mormon? Did u make this word up?
@@Bonnie_B365 Mormons, also known as the Latter Day Saints, are an American Christian religion. Their theology is incredibly misogynistic; particularly in promoting polygamy (but only where men may have multiple wives). The state of Utah is the Mormon holy land (est 1830ish), and I really wish I was making it all up.
@@arikray7030 to be fair, LDS Church doesn't promote polygamy, it actually condamns it since 1890.
“Magix sex fix broken boy” is actually the most accurate and legit summerization of this series, because I think it is literally based on that existing teenage girl delusion. I can feel it, because I had it! This classic of Alan moment shall remain for eternity! 🤣
"You will not learn anything about healthy sexuality from Twilight.”
I mean you will if you look at Carlisle and Esme. The only real example of what a healthy and happy marriage look like…
Which explains why they have no screen time.
put it away🤣
to be fair - he was the one, who turned her into a vampire. Which makes him a dick
@@AlinaAniretake Uh she was dying? And he gave her a beautiful life and family and a real love after her abusive one when she was alive?
OOF 😂
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343she was dying because she wanted to commit suicide…. Maybe give her a painless death instead of a l an eternity of depression from what she wanted to kill herself over
"He said it's fine. She's amazing, right?" is hand's down my favorite Edward line in this franchise. The just absolute joy on his face when he sees his wife beating up Jacob.
"Goooood!"
Poor Robert Pattinson, he only got to actually act in that one scene. 😆
"I'm just tired" sums up the feeling at the end of these movies.
Also, Bella getting PISSED at Jacob was the only time in the whole series that she was being reasonable for once! As soon as Bella became a vampire she grew a damn spine.
Which is a F-ing shame🤦🏾♀️ Stephanie could have had a real story about love and abuse and standing up for your selves. That way not only young girls but boys as well, can see what happens when you fall for the wrong person or people with supernatural theme to make then interested. But no she instead romanticized it.
Yeah, because her human one snapped. 😅
@@returnoftheromans6726 lol 😂
@@returnoftheromans6726 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@returnoftheromans6726 i had the same thought :p
I have to say that I do love Jacob’s reaction when Bella says: “Take Renesmee out of the room.” Like he knows he’s in deep shit.
Top that off with the reaction to her telling Edward not to touch her because she doesn't want to hurt him.
Rosalie is loving iiiit tho...
I watched Twilight as an 18-year-old and told my friends that I found Charlie very attractive, and they all made fun of me coz he was in his 40s. But after watching your commentary, I now think it was healthier to crush on Charlie than on Edward or Jacob. 😂
“Why did we go for CG baby?” I am horrified to inform you there was an animatronic baby that was even WORSE
Wait, when and where?
@@grapeypear4558 ruclips.net/video/94ZxsZ3B1fE/видео.html be warned, it's nightmare fuel
@@grapeypear4558 Lookup “Chuckesme.” That's all I will say.
@@firefly5934 Oh dearie 💀💀💀💀💀💀
CHUCKESME!
I swear John screaming at the CG baby is the funniest thing ever.😂
It gave me a heart attack lmao
More reason for him to react to Chukesme
Absolutely
I started laughing sooo hard
I feel like the actor had a blast : "The movie is so bad, what else could I possibly do ? "
I swear Micheal sheen was like "ok I'm just going to exaggerate my character from like a 5 to an 11 because it's not like you can replace me in the next one. I'm just here for the paycheck. So I'm going out with deranged laughter and absolutely no shame." And I loved that for him.
He's like John Travolta in Battlefield Earth. Unintentionally hilarious and the best part of the movie
@@Yoursoulismine814 oh no.
He is being utterly intentional.
He read it and thought 'Am I the only one who sees this should be a comedy??' and just decided to have a whale of a time while making a whale of a paycheck.
The Sheen will not be subdued in Michael.
Michael Sheen is an international treasure.
My six year old sometimes laughs that exact laugh and nothing makes me happier. Best. Laugh. Ever.
To the editor who wrote 'probably hasn't seen Riverdale', you are underappreciated and thank you for giving me a laugh XD
Good lord, that one. It feels at least as weird as Twilight, and that perpetually guilt-tripping queen bitch who apparently uses half a lip-stick a day is only the tip of the iceberg.
Wait, when?
I vividly remember going to this movie on opening night and when the battle sequence was happening, the entire audience was FREAKING OUT. And then they LOST it when it was all a vision. It was a hilariously awesome and weird moment.
I just remembered I also watched this one at the movies and I was PISSED it was all a lie. I left with the feeling that nothing interesting happened in the movie haha
It was the same experience to me XD
Same! I just literally remember saying " its not real, its not real" and felt so vindicated when I was right lol. When I thought about it, I remember a moment in the book where Alice brings the South American vampires (one of then was half human too) to show the Volturi that half human vampires are safe to keep "alive". Alice goes to speak directly to Aro and he reads her mind. I figured out that was the moment he saw what would happen
Same!! I had Teenage girls next to me and they started screaming and SOBBING when Carlisle died. I was shocked and confused. When it shot it back to Alice, half the audience laughed and the other half cried harder. I'll never forget it. It was amazing.
I was forced by a friend to see this movie in the theater on a trade (I subsequently forced her to go to Jackass 3D with me; worth it). I will never forget the entire theater around me erupting into literal sobs during that battle scene. Meanwhile, I had my hands over my mouth trying to stifle my own gleeful laughter. Best moment of the whole franchise, IMO.
Oh man that part where charlie went in to hug Bella and then recoiled in concern because she was cold and then went in to hug her again because of the conversation they just had was so touching. The most touching scene in the franchise I think
Charlie is a good boy
Billy Burk is such a great actor. He did the best with what they gave him.
I nearly teared up 😭
The whole 'bone-breaking' sound design and whatnot when Bella was pregnant, is legit the first and only time I have ever had to walk out of a cinema to recompose myself and not vomit. They did an incredible job at making that all hit so hard
Precisely, say whatever you want about the quality of this franchise, but the sound effects for that scene was actually effective, for once.
@@trinaq Regarding the book, I saw someone say it's a shame Stephanie Meyer isnt a horror writer, because those scenes are horrifyingly effective.
The birth is like either the Xenomorph birthing scene from Alien and either Ben or Chief Irons having the mutated William Birkin's G-Virus spawn rip out of them in Resident Evil 2. But in that film and game those scenes were horrifying and shown as such but Renesmee breaking Bella's back and Edward having to eat through Bella to get her out is presented as happy.
@@Xehanort10 Due to your avatar I read that at the 'Xehanort' birthing scene. Hoo boy no thanks.
@@koheikyouji Now that'd be freaky. Old man Master Xehanort being birthed.
Jonathan's yell when Edward walked in with the baby literally has me CRYING laughing oh my goddess 😂😂 I had to pause the video lol I love this channel so much.
Same! I could not stop laughing! 😭🤣
I love when Alan tells us what he would’ve done as a director! The shot about the wolf and Alice, him describing literally gave me chills. Sounded soooo scary!!! More of that please!!!
Yes! I want to see Alan's version of these movies so bad!
That’d be sick to see and hear more of!
Honestly? I feel like he's on point, but the real viscera comes from the human reaction of *being murdered*. When I heard Alan's description of what he wanted my mind immediately went to Pedro Pascal portraying Oberon's death in Game of Thrones. The screaming and the writhing as he was murdered still disturbs me to this day. Not the actual head pop, but the moments before of human suffering knowing that he knew it was futile is just *ugh*. Horrible. Amazing.
Same! I wanted to see his version so badly!
Yes. More alternate takes for sure.
I was cry laughing when they said "oh, I hope they dont make us do the 50 shades of after movies" this is amazing😂
Evil kermit: *Do it*
LETS DO IT
right like i mentioned that they should do the after movies because it would be hilarious😂😂😂
I am actually kind of sad that this particular series is finished. If Twilight is junk food entertainment to some people, watching you guys dump on it is mine 😂
Same for me
There's not much that's more fun than seeing stuff like this.
(except maybe (cis) men who act like period pains aren't a thing getting to experience them through the simulation of it. Peak entertainment)
@@nikk-named that last point is... highly specific and came absolutely out of nowhere but okay i guess? lol 👀
@@roserose109 yeah I know.
Just... I feel like the appeal of both to me is related. Idk. C:
@@nikk-named lmao
@@nikk-named I think I have to agree. They may be the only two very specifically weird things that are 1:1 for each other in their own very specifically weird ways. 🤣🤣👌
I used to be obsessed with the books in my late teens/early twenties. At that time, I was in an abusive/toxic relationship with a man who in hindsight turned out to be a narcissist and maybe even a sociopath. I know there are narcissists and sociopaths out there who are self-aware and try their best to behave morally, but he did not. He brainwashed, manipulated, and gaslit me. He took my agency away and made me believe that no one in the world loved me as much as he did (not even my family and I have very loving parents and sisters) and that without him there would be no love in my life. All my other relationships suffered while I was with him.
I basically became the person he wanted me to be, depending on him for everything. My family and friends absolutely hated him and he made me dislike my friends and family, because "no one understands how much he loved me and how misunderstood he is" blegh.
He was the main character in my life.
I related so much to Bella and always thought how accurately Twilight portrayed "real love" in the movies as well. And even Bella's night terrors didn't seem over the top to me at the time because I had similar break downs (while awake). I was overly emotional and my life was super dramatic (I didn't realize that he was the one making it that way).
Fast forward to now. Man, I was really brainwashed to believe that this is what love looks like. I never understood why people made fun of Twilight because to me it portrayed parts of my relationship so accurately. I thought this was love. Man was I wrong. Thank you Jonathan and Alan for opening my eyes to the toxic relationships in Twilight. This is not romantic, this is freaking garbage!
I enjoyed watching your Twilight series commentary, some parts of your analysis were real eye-openers. Thank you!
I'm so glad you're in a better place now.
Ty for your candidness. You provided a Perfect counterpoint to ppl who defend that this story is harmless because its not real.
I knew someone who is unfortunately in a similar situation. I kind of wonder what things are like from their perspective, if they still think they choose the best path or are loved by him. Thanks for sharing some insight into it.
I hope your family forgave you and you rediscover your self worth and self care
I'm so sorry to hear your story. I too was in a similar situation. I hope you are doing well.
When they said "They suck at protecting her from Jacob, they let him turn into a wolf around her" I was taken aback for a moment, like of course they do, why wouldn't they?
Then my mind flashed back to Sam and Emily and YIKES.
Oh god, I forgot about that part. I'm surprised they didn't cover that, but I also don't remember how much of it was discussed in the movie. Then again, this series is more focused on the Trinity of Toxic Relationships
Wait what happened with Sam and Emily? I didn't watch the movies lol
@@sosanmia3 Sam accidentally turned into a ware wolf when he got mad one time and ended up really hurting her
@@sosanmia3 longer version:
Sam and leah actually used to be together. Emily is leahs cousin...she was there on a visit.
Then he disappeared for a few days (bc he turned into a wolf for the first time), then came back. For some reason (i think something to do with imprinting on her) he changed too close to her => mauled her face and one arm (so yea...big fat scars, not the 3lines on her cheek like in the movie)... soooo he breaks up with GF (leah), and gets together with emily (her cousin!).
In short: near wolf is dangerous
Bella and Edward do not need to protect Renesmee like that, because her skin is vampire like and durable.
As someone who devoured all of these books as a kid…I sincerely wish that “you nicknamed my daughter after the Loch Ness monster” WAS NOT a real line in the books…but it unfortunately is lmfao. Even reading it at 15 I was like “BRUH”
So much of that is tied in with the mormon culture Meyers grew up in. Reducing women to wives and mothers means the only things girls are left to dream about are getting married and having babies, and they expect their husband to make all the decisions in the marriage, so the only control they get over anything in their lives is the tradition that the moms pick the kids' names. So, a lot of young girls who've been raised like that have a *lot* of strong feelings about their planned baby names, and it regularly causes drama (oh no, they "stole" my name!), etc etc. So yeah. Bella's reaction to her stupid baby name (Renesmee is just... oh honey, no) being replaced with a nickname is almost definitely something Meyers considers normal.
@@gayahithwen it wasn’t the strong reaction she had that bugged me. It was that she compared it to the Loch Ness monster of all things lmao
Same here, that line felt so weird to me even though I loved the books back then 😅
@@baileebee3708 that's what the theory fans call the loch Ness monster though. Like... It's right where the mind goes
@@shalonamaranth it’s such a dumb comparison though and the fact that she makes it…I can’t take her anger seriously lmfao
Dude when Seth “died”, I cried so hard in the theater. He was my favorite character out if the whole series because he seemed to be the only nontoxic character in the whole series, lol.
Same! That's why it's so sad to me that people see this scene and go, "Wait, which wolf is this? I don't care about their death because I don't know who this is." Like, there were multiple scenes with wolf-Seth in it. How did you miss this?
That broke my heart. Especially since Seth was like barely sixteen. Like why are you killing the baby!!!
Wait, so they actually killed characters? My sister made me read those damn books and I about threw it across the room when the climax was "and then they talked while looking intimidatingly at each other and nothing happened".
@@tiph3802 Not technically. The fight was one of those “and it was all just a vision” tropes, but it was nice getting some more action and fighting. Characters only died in the vision with the exception of Irina.
@@i-landsleepaid2452 that’s more of the movie. In the books, the only vision that happens comes from Renesemee. They literally gather everyone to just be witnesses and end up talking their way out of getting killed. Alice showing Aro a vision does not happen. And some of the witnesses they get are vampires the Volturi would love to see dead (in the books, it is expanded that the two Romanian vampires they get used to be part of a large coven that attempted, in their hubris, to overthrow the Volturi and as a result the rest of their coven is dead; frankly it’s characters like that that show that Meyers just shouldn’t have written a romance)
"My magic sex will heal broken boy"- that was my line sooooo many times. So, thanks, guys! You're doing amazing work awakening so many blind women.
Ohhhh I thought he said, "My magic sacks will heal broken boy". Thank you for the correction. : D
Jacob: “You know I would never hurt Renesmee”
Also Jacob (and Edward) less than a week ago: “If that thing inside of you kills you, I’ll kill it 😁😁”
To be fair, at that point, Bella was looking like an emaciated corpse who was being killed by her unborn hybrid human/vampire fetus.
I’m not denying the fact that Edward and Jacob are both trash. They absolutely are, but it would be completely human to say horrible shit that you don’t really mean like “If the unborn fetus inside you kills you, I’ll kill it” when the currently living person you loved was unilaterally deciding to endanger their life by carrying it.
@@Schoolgirl325 I do think we need to differentiate Edward from Jacob here.
Both were willing to kill the unvorn fetus to save Bellas life. And that I think was understandable.
But Jacob was willing to kill the baby AFTER she was born (at least until he imprinted). It wasn't about saving Bellas life so much as it was about revenge. It's way more messed up.
Okay I know they said they didn’t want to do 50 shades, but I would love to see them rip that series a new one. Calling out toxic messaging and the romanticism of terrible things is important, because it helps people recognize the separation between entertainment and reality. As well as the dangers when media like this effects it’s audience who so often have those two lines blurred. Love this stuff
And how it was originally a Twilight fanfic 😆
Also discussing how kink doesn't have to mean unhealthy and toxic relationships. You can engage in BDSM while ALSO having boundaries.
I've never seen 50 shades of grey, but I would %100 watch them tear it apart
Ohhh totally!! I'd love a 50 Shades saga. Also, if they would be doing some of You TV show I belive that it would be fantastic jaja
RUclips no likey racier series being portrayed in its algorithms
it wants to distance itself from its step-cousin twice-removed, YouPorn
I was diagnosed with cancer eight weeks into my pregnancy and ya'll handled that discussion better than Twilight would *dare.* Bravo, fellas.
Oh man, hope you are doing okay
@@lyndsaybrown8471 doing wonderful. Six years in remission. We count the years by the age of the weirdest kid I could possibly imagine.
@@oh_riley7104 glad to hear you guys are ok. 🍀
Hope that the remission you mentioned goes on indefinitely
and also know that if it's plural and neautal, or plural and masculine, it's not bravo but bravi
Free Italian lessons with me/sarcastic
@@SG-zp4fz omg ok weird but: I should've known that. I studied vocal performance at the collegiate level for six years, and literally my entire life before that. Basically like taking Italian language as a minor, all things considered. I literally *should've* known that, given all the Italian Opera and essays about the Italian Renaissance and Madrigals I've written. My deepest, genuine, apologies. I, being American, didn't even consider that anyone would notice and/or care 🤣😭🤣
I'll point out one of the redeeming qualities of Twilight, which I think isn't talked about enough. It's one of the (very) few pieces of media with a female werewolf.
Leah is such a great character, and the books go into a lot more detail about her feelings of alienation in this male-dominated pack of dudebro werewolves, the leader of which is her ex (Sam) who imprinted on someone else. Leah is the white wolf in the movies, and she's constantly being rejected by her younger brother (Ceth) who looks up to Sam and Jacob et al. She's also generally rejected by her pack, and that's a constant nightmare because they're all telepathically connected when in wolf form.
When Bella hits Ceth during the "Nessie" confrontation, Leah is the one snuggling up to Ceth, making sure he's okay. In the flash-forward fight scene, Ceth is the orange werewolf who's killed and Leah starts howling. I love her in the books and wish they had shown her more in the movies.
In fact, I wish all the supporting characters in this series had their own stories fleshed out instead of the silly love/hate triangle. Who doesn't want to read about a psychic who ends up in a mental institution in the 1800s before becoming a vampire, or a vampire doctor whose empathy just won't let him kill humans for food, or the naive romantic who goes after her rapists when she gets her vampire powers? Instead, we get this toxic trio who wouldn't know maturity if it bit them on the nose. What a shame Meyer made these choices!
There were so many interesting plot hooks, but we are stuck with Bella and Sparkle!
Leah ( and to an extent rosalie) really is a an accidental great part of the series, and it’s really telling what kind of writer smeyer is since Leah is written to be the opposite of a great ; in short her ( and Rosalie) are the designated scary sues of the series ( characters whose sole purpose of existence is to be crapped on by the author in order to make the main character look good in comparison). Instead smeyer straight up accidentally wrote a character who’s far more sympathetic and interesting than Bella could ever be.
Read Midnight Sun, the back stories are fun to read
Allow me to give you a list of werewolf fiction with wonderful female werewolves in them because Twilight should not be praised for having a single female wolf....
Yeah I always felt bad for Leah. Especially because if memory serves, she didn't want to be a wolf. I remember her mentioning something about her not having a menstrual cycle due to her shifting.
Seth is like any younger sibling so naturally he doesn't want his older sister to baby him. But Leah needed something to focus on
The look on Charlie’s face when he hugs Bella after she’s a vampire, and you know it’s because she feels like cold stone to the touch to him now, is great.
cold stone creamery
Her being stone cold actually never occurred to me 😅 I always assumed he noticed a difference in her strength when she hugged him - obviously she'd be holding back, but maybe he noticed?
@@myladynaynay could be both.
After having made it through this whole series, I would love to see you guys review another romance film with positive relationships and character growth as a sort of palate cleanser. I'd personally love to see Pride and Prejudice done because for such a relatively old story, it shows a lot of realistic growth and respect in relationships.
I've been thinking the same thing! It would be great timing for Pride and Prejudice, and I saw a clip of Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy from the end of the movie at the end of this video, so maybe that's their plan 👀
Yes! Pride and prejudice
YES PLEASE
Given that romcoms are festering piles of dog vomit, I don't think they could. The genre thrives of toxicity.
oh my god yes please
The legitimate scream of utter terror from Johnathan when Edward comes out with the cgi baby made me laugh aloud and I love it!
I know, right!!! That was hilarious, hands down!!! XD
I think it would have been better plot wise if they showed other kinds of imprinting where it was like uncling or grandmothering.... but its very creepy with how they presented it.
Literally an entire character could've been saved with A SINGLE WORD. like Jacob could've just been "I am a pack leader so I am a father and protector so renegade is like a daughter to me"
@@colbaltmind5696 ''renegade'' HAHAH
@@piscis210 it autocorrected so I just went along with it
The story keeps pressing that imprinting is pure love and not sexual, but then the part where Jacob asks Edward if he should start calling him dad presses otherwise.
It would actually be a really interesting idea for imprinting to be about protecting and helping guide children.
Also, I have this funny thought about a kid and they’re emotional support wolf. 😅
The thing that drives me the most crazy about Edward's accountability moment is that it doesn't come until AFTER Bella is turned into a vampire, because I've always read his underestimating her as "oh she's a dumb weak human, of course she can't do anything for herself" and that's something he does even when the challenge in question isn't one of physical strength or resilience (where the fact that she's a squishy human would be a legitimate issue). There SHOULD have been a moment where he saw human-Bella as being fully his equal and worthy of his respect. But there wasn't - she didn't become his equal until she became a vampire. And that's gross.
He never saw her as his equal because she still had a soul - so he “knew” she was better than him.
@@tybrown7112 That's what he SAYS, certainly, but actions speak louder than words - and his actions very much suggest that he thinks she's lesser than him.
Edward could be acting superior because he doesn't want Bella to know he is inferior. Not like the difference matters all that much. Both options are horrible and Bella should stay away.
He did have that moment in Eclilse, when he realized he was too controlling and decided to let her go to LA Push if she wanted.
But the thing to remember us the root of his controlling behavior was his need to protect her. Once she became a vampire and capable of protecting herself, it was moot.
I think this is a bias that most Twilight vampires have
Another problem that I realized watching Edward admitting he always underestimated Bella, is how much he saw himself as superior to her due to his supernatural status. He only acknowledges this and respects her as an equal because of the big change in power dynamics. Bella is a vampire that can kick his ass now, she's no longer a "fragile" inferior human. He can't use her humanity as an exuse to manipulate/gaslight her anymore, so he starts kissing up.
"You're not a weak mortal human anymore (and you're able to beat me), so now I (mostly) respect your autonomy as a person."
Another pushback in defense of Edward: Edward was the reluctant party about having sex. He didn't anticipate pregnancy, but he wanted to wait till she was a vampire in case something bad happens. And she begged and pleaded and cajoled him into having sex. I think this is important to remember.
But that is the extent to which my defense of Edward extends. He is, in general, terrible.
Right in that she didn't respect his decision to wait. Had their genders been switched, viewers would see it as unfair. Pushing your partner to have sex (married or not) is garbage. If you can't level with your hearts and minds, leave the body/flesh out of the equation. ESPECIALLY since he couldn't fully enjoy it (and told her that). I wouldn't want my partner to fake it or not enjoy it. WTF message is that? "We are married now, so his (or her) body is mine." 😑😠 and now you also get to feel guilty about the bruises.🙄
Yeah it made me slightly uncomfortable to see the two celebrating over her finally getting sex, since that sends a pretty gross message imo of the other party is wrong if they are uncomfortable with doing something to you or engaging in sexual behaviour, and the wife is justified in constantly pushing and pushing. It's like they're Charlie, Bella is Jacob, Edward is Bella, and rather than blatant sexual assault it's simply disrespect for consent. I'd rather they just focus on Edward's fixation on telling Bella that he knows SHE doesn't want sex, agreed he should not tell her what she wants. But instead they focus more on he's not giving her what she wants and THAT'S wrong, which I wholeheartedly disagree with.
They could've just used a condom, right?
@@MerelvandenHurk They had no experience with any pregnancies. Carlisle is like 400 years old and hadn't come across it. They couldn't plan for something their experience told them was impossible.
I agree
For those who don’t understand, they used a CGI baby because they had many failed attempts with using a real baby. The babies were moving around and just being babies. Renesme is suppose to represent a hybrid human. You can’t tell a baby to stare lovingly into a persons eyes for 45 seconds straight 😅 so that’s why they used CGI.
The first Kristen Stewart film I saw was “Speak“ a school drama about coping mechanisms filmed when she was still a teenager. It is still one of the best and most haunting movies I have seen. I would love for a therapist to react to it and tell us how accurate it is to real world situations. Please and thank you.
Speak would be a great movie for cinema therapy!
YES THIS
Yes please??!!
We need to hype this cus yesssss
@@discreetscrivener7885 absolutely!!
I'm so glad someone finally says the birth scene is traumatizing. I am traumatized by birth scenes and lost consciousness for the first time of my life when I watched this movie. Really just, fainted on spot and almost fell off the bed we were sitting on. It happened again with other movies. When I confess that I fainted watching Twilight, people are confused. But this scene? It's so much worse than any horror movie because it wasn't supposed to be. It was supposed to be a cheesy bad romance, not this. And 12 years later, I'm so relieved to hear that I'm not weird, that this scene actually is horrible.
I’m so sorry you had to endure that.
I don’t think it’s weird to find birth scenes traumatizing at all bc they can be disturbing. It’s understandable to me.
I heard some other ppl said they were scared of pregnancy after watching this movie.
I was scared to watch that scene even during my Twilight phase (which I obviously outgrew after I got bored of it and then realized how problematic, antiquated, and messed up that godforsaken series is). One of my friends was also scared to see it.
and I still am scared now.
People who think it’s weird to faint after seeing the birth scene in Breaking Dawn traumatizing are sus to me. I think that scene is enough to make someone faint considering Bella died of childbirth and the fetus was sucking the life out of her.
You just reminded me of when I took child development as a class in school and there was one boy and about thirty girls who had chosen it. We watched a very graphic birth video one lesson and the poor boy had to run out and throw up.
Coming from a woman who's given birth twice, childbirth can be scary, especially if you don't know what's happening fully. Outside of the whole discussion of raising said children and just focusing on the birthing, do your research, talk to medical professionals, and just be aware that there will be pain. It's been years since and though I don't remember everything, there have been things that have stuck in my memory. I definitely wish I was calmer during my first labor, but I can forgive myself since it was my first.
Obviously, though, real pregnancy and childbirth is NOT like what Bella had to go through. The baby's not a blood-thirsty leech that will tear your body apart and shatter half your bones.
I HATE it when it's done for horror! It's an automatic nope for me!
Then the scene met its purpose.
Mustache Dad: "Jacob...put your clothes on."
Wolfy: "This may seem strange, but stranger things happen every day."
*I LEFT CC ON AND IT WAS THE GREATEST THING*
YES! I adored the CC. "Sparky", "Mama Bling" - whoever did the CC text, you are glorious and brought the snark to a new level.
"What is it about the fifth movie that makes it actually entertaining" Bella finally has an ounce of agency. That's it. She actually can stand on equal footing and is not constantly being subjugated by everyone around her lmao
Saying the CG baby is the worst decision is hilarious. They need to look up pictures of Chuckesme..the doll they filmed with and will definitely agree that CG is a thousand times better 😆
I looked that up - MY GOD that thing looks like it probably axe murders people.
Heck it makes the Annabelle doll seem saintly by comparison. No wonder some people think it's haunted.
The CGI was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY less horrifying.
Couldn't have hurt them to just have a normal baby and work from there? 😭
Oh it can't be that ba...AAAAAHH AAAAAHH AAAAAHH WHY DID I LOOK? WHY??!!
@@Yoursoulismine814 same reaction. Same.
IT IS TERRIFYING!!! I try to forget it existed. 😬🤣
If it wasn't specifically Edward's sperm that Jacob was also attracted to, just the egg within Bella's ovaries, then....what if Bella chose him and he fathered the baby instead....would he have imprinted in his own daughter? I ask because Jacob HATED Edward, so clearly being attracted to both parts that make up whatever child would have been born in any case isn't neccessary....
Just to make everyone feel as uneasy as me, thought I should share. Have fun trying to move from this.
Also, does this mean Bella was one period away from losing her connection with Jacob anyways?
Oh....OH I’ll never unknow this.
Well done though for this insightful addition to reasons why I hate imprinting ✌🏼
Sperm only lives 5 days in the balls and 1-2 days outside of the balls or womb. So it would’ve been him getting real hot for Eddy boy like, on his wedding day maybe?
Moving away from it wont be hard because I dont give a rats ass about the plotline of this garbage fire of a series
@@SkagulTV proud of you
@@Wargatron If only Stephanie Meyers thought of that
The tagline for this movie should have been, "after 4 movies of people staring at each other, shit actually happens!"
And then they yank the rug out from under you 😂
...but not actually, since it's just a vision. Got ya!
Shang Tsung would be shit out of luck if he tried to absorb Edward and Bella's souls because they don't have souls.
@@Xehanort10 I tried, I was sick for a month 🤮
Yep
Oh man, the first part of this video, when they are talking about Bella being pregnant and at risk, really hit home for me. When my mum was pregnant with my brother, she was diagnosed with an aggressive form of melanosarcoma (skin cancer) that had already spread to her lymph nodes. The medical advice they got at the time was that she should abort and immediately start treatment, to improve her chances of survival. I was only 6 at the time, so I don't remember a huge amount of what was going on, but I remember it being a sad and scary time. Props to my Mum and Dad, there was never any argument or disagreement between them - they chose to face and fight the battle together. In the end, they chose to continue the pregnancy - she had surgery to remove the primary tumour and all the local lymph nodes, and then had my brother, and then started treatment afterwards. 37 years later I still have my baby brother AND my mum and dad, so it was the right call :)
23:52 "My magic sex will fix broken boy" JUST KILLS ME!!! It was so funny!! And the way Alan doesn't even smile a little bit after he said that just makes it even funnier! I'm so grateful that you make these videos! I love them and I love you you two are just amazing people ^^ :D
I need a t shirt with that on it.
The sort of women who like Twilight seem to believe that a bad man having sex with them once will transform him into a good man.
yes damn its best line to describe whole series
That sad moment when Charlie hugs Bella and feels how cold and hard she's become, like a statue; further solidifying that his daughter has become something else, and has gone where he can't follow. God, Charlie deserved a better daughter! A better story!
Literally. I feel like Bella loved the idea of being a vampire more than she loved Edward tbh. She was OBSESSED with turning when she knew she was leaving behind her father, mother, humanity. Edward advised her against it, Rosalie tried to stop her. But she wanted to be a vampire without even thinking about the consequences of it on her eternal life and family!
@@jasminecruz This, this, all of this! I 100% agree. This was one of the (many) things that I hated about her character. You are so caught up in your obsessive desire for "perfection" that you toss aside your entire family without even batting an eyelash. What really pushed me over the edge and what actually caused me the stop ready BD for months was the part where she has the audacity to say that she was "born to be a vampire" after her transition...to this day I still laugh in disbelief at that line. After that... the story just turned into wish fulfillment (i.e. Bella never truly/realistically losing anything from her transition, her father stays in her life and she doesn't lose her relationship/dependency with Jacob) and Bella becomes a complete Mary Sue character (and not even a good one... -_- ).
@Alice Nolfi Truth be told, Charlie did approve of Jacob forcing a kiss on Bella, so he's not much of a father himself.
@@jasminecruz Yep!
@@chiarardn2401 Yeah, even Alan and Jonathan chewed him out for that; and justifiably so. But with everything else? Charlie was a pretty decent guy.
A little story of my experience watching that birth scene they mention at 12:40 when I was a teen:
I was in high school and went to see it in theaters with my sisters. That scene came on, and just as Alan and Johnathan described, the sound design was traumatic. I started to feel sick and told my sisters I was going to run to the washroom real quick. I scurry between the seats and out the doors of the theater, making my way down the hall to the bathroom. Suddenly I feel lightheaded and my vision tunneling. I saw a woman coming towards me, so I look at her and go "excuse me. I think im gonna--" and BONK. I FAINT. Right in the middle of the hallway to the bathroom. I wake up seconds later with a crowd around me asking if I was okay.
God I was so embarrassed and could not handle any bloody scenes from any movie after that for years.
Oh my god 😂 I’m so sorry that sounds awful but you made me laugh today when I wasn’t feeling very good, so thanks for sharing
I’m sorry that happened to you, I can’t watch movies that are really bloody, I get sick to my stomach.
As someone with anger issues, I think the scene at 6:22 is a pretty decent example of anger management from Bella. She's aware that she's getting really angry and can communicate "get my daughter out of the room, and my husband shouldn't be touching me right now." And once she's sure no one else is going to be harmed, she goes off on Jacob.
Also, the scene where she goes off on Jacob is probably my favorite one in the series xD (minus any scene with Michael Sheen in it, of course)
I think Jacob imprinting on Renesmee would have been more palatable if their relationship had STAYED a niece/uncle relationship or brother/sister relationship instead of developing later on as a romantic relationship. It would make more sense for him to just be protective of her, rather than him destined to be her future lover. I also would have liked to see the other aspects of imprinting that Jacob mentioned, like being a protector, brother or friend, in other pairings to further cement the “being what she needs” instead of “being what she needs until she falls in love with me”. I also would have liked to see some same sex imprinting, both romantic and platonic, but unfortunately, considering the fact that Meyers in Mormon, the only time you would get that is in fanfiction.
I like the idea of soulmates not always having to be romantic or hetero, because irl it’s not like that.
Oh my God ! Thank you ! I just commented on that. I don't remember a lot about those movies. But it never occured to me that imprinting was for lovers only.
And yeah ! Totally agree on the soulmate thing.
No… it still would’ve been disturbing af considering Jacob imprinted “romantically” on Bella and sexually assaulted her “because” of it 🥲
@@anonymousfellow8879 Jacob didn’t imprint on Bella. Werewolves only imprint on one person in their lives and for Jacob, that was Renesmee. And Jacob assaulted her cause he’s a fucking asshole. I’m not saying people would have liked it (though, some weirdos would), I’m just saying it would be more palatable, which isn’t the same thing.
The fact that she's Mormon and came up with this same sex interaction being out of reach for her is completely absurd.
I think an in-universe explanation for why same-sex imprinting doesn't happen is that they imprint based on who gives their werewolf genes the best chance to be passed on? Pretty sure it's in book 2 or 3 somewhere. Which is still super weird because of all of those implications. They made the correct decision to leave that out of the movies.
"to whoever worked on that visual effect : we don't blame you for this work".
True men with actual respect and brains there. Sirs, you're awesome. Sending a bunch of virtual hugs to you.
I remember loving this series in middle school, but me and my friend would literally debate for hours as I told her how awful imprinting is. I didn't see how awful Bella and Edward's relationship was at the time, but god I knew fully how imprinting is creepy as hell. Good for you younger me, at least you didn't support grooming!
i got in a argument with someone about imprinting in a youtuber comment and i still think it is creepy as hell
@@dragongamerx12 yep, completely agree with you there
I'm amazed they didn't remove that part from the films
The whole "I don't want this baby who killed you" IS a real-life thing and it's pretty horrifying.
My best friend from childhood works in a maternity hospital, and once she had this horrible story of a perfectly healthy mom who went into labour and it started to go bad after she delivered the baby. She went into reanimation, then sceptic shock. All the while during his wife's agony, the husband was telling my friend how much he loved his wife, how he could not live without her, and how SHE wanted the child and he kinda got along with it because he loved her so much and she was going to die and he would be left alone with this baby he did not want that much. After like 23 hours, she passed away.
My friend and the hospital crew had to do checkups on the dad after this horrible day.
They did not do these only out of concern for poor bloke's mental health but for the baby, they were genuinely scared that he might hurt her or abandon her - even making plan for a possible adoption. Hopefully, the dad had a great support system and he grew to love his and his late wife's daughter.
Upon hearing the story, my boyfriend and I went "nope, we're never having a baby".
I can understand husbands who love their wives and wives who love their husbands being devastated if they died but in a healthy relationship one would be able to go on without the other because it's what the other would want them to do. People who say "I can't live without you" are teetering on the verge of obsession.
@can.tgoback You think Twilight is a good exploration of trauma? You're giving a series as shit as it too much credit. Edward didn't love Bella. He somehow mistook wanting to drink her blood for wanting her. Meyer only portrays their relationship as love because her mind is warped.
@can.tgoback I was talking about Edward's reaction to Bella dying not the OP's friend's wife.
And this is still pretty current. Having children is still risky. 😢
Not quite related but personally I always assumed this is the real reason Snape hates Harry Potter. He just doesn't want to admit it because people have an easier time accepting that he hates his bully's child than "if this child was never born the person I love would still be alive." Which is really an omission of guilt for the part he played in causing Lily's death. Kinda feel like I'm alone in this opinion though.
The reason Edward relaxed when they married was because she was committed to him. Then he was ultimately "accountable" when she turned into a vampire because she was final form and there was no way for her to ever leave him at that point. As soon as toxic people realize they've trapped the people they want to control with them, then they relax because that person no longer has options OTHER than them.
True
Within the books' lore, those who are changed have an almost psychic bond with the one who changed them and somehow can't leave or be without them. It's inconsistent what the relationship is, but it's shown to be incredibly difficult to leave them. It is a "trapping" situation, regardless of how sinister or innocent the act is.
Carlisle changed Edward at his mother's request, Rosalie at Edward's request, Emmett at Rosalie's request, and Esme as his match. Alice had no memory of who changed her so it's almost like she's an orphan. Jasper, I think, was the only one who managed to leave those who changed him, and that might have only been because he had more control over himself and because his change was as a war asset.
@@hayleybartek8643 Wait, really? Damn, I only remember that Bella and Edward were destined because her blood "called him", like the attraction was too strong between them
@@hayleybartek8643 I forGOT about that, oh god it's so much worse now
@@EJK-wy3eb I remember the "your blood calls to me" thing, too. But I thought that was only Edward's attraction to Bella.
I always thought it was interesting that Edward couldn’t treat Bella with any kind of autonomy until she was a vampire and therefore his equal. Like they kept grasping at the idea that Bella needed to stay human and at the same time played it as an inferior or weaker way to be that needs to be guarded (which if this book series had any moral metaphors, it vaguely resembles how we often treat female virginity)
According to Meyers...yeah, that's exactly what she did there. 🤢
I guess, if you squint hard... you'll see Bella finally finding herself and becoming the person she really wants to be? While everyone around her trying to put her in her place, how she should be and how she should behave according to the right society norms?
Though even if this was the intended message, it is still very much burried under all that toxic relationship bulls-t.
The problem I have with this moral metaphor is that it takes the entirely irrational cult around the "pure helpless virgin that needs to be protected" and represents it by something that gives it some serious legitimacy that it doesn't deserve. The vampires have the religious believe that they are cursed and their souls are doomed to hell (which somewhat corresponds with the asinine conservative religious trope of being "tainted" and becoming sinful by sex, with almost no regards to the circumstances), but the vampires are bloodthirsty monsters with an urge to kill and are blatantly supernatural, so their believe that they are cursed and that humans should not be turned into them (least of all humans they like) makes a whole lot more sense than protecting virginity. Also, all of them are multiple times stronger, more durable and more experienced, living this undead existence for many decades if not centuries and she is a clueless teenager who didn't even know vampires existed until she met them, so them treating her like a clueless child who can't make her own decisions regarding issues that connect to the vampire world and who certainly can't protect herself is also a whole lot more legitimate than the real world issue it is supposed to symbolize. Especially because Bella almost constantly confirms it by making the most immature and dangerous decisions possible.
@@alhena11 But not before marrying and sacrificing almost her entire life and changing to become Edward's equal. That just sends the message that you won't be their equal unless you change yourself completely, while the message should have been that he accepts her either way.
I remember how obsessed I was with this series. I cried when I finished reading BD. Returning as an adult, I’ve realized just how much I have had to unlearn because I initially didn’t see the horrible side of these stories.
I agree with Alan and John. Imprinting is truly horrifying.
I remember liking the books until the last one. I was pissed after I finished it.
I really liked it as well, or more found it very entertaining and exciting. Didn't see why Bella liked Edward, though.
Stephanie Meyer basically wrote a plot to make grooming ok. I wonder how many teens it affected.
I never realized, to this moment, how abusive Edward was. As a teenage girl, I thought, he was caring and "sexy refusing and denying" and "sexy" overprotective and there was this thrilling tension between her suicidal commitment (meeting with stranger in ballet studio) and Edwards neurotic "protecting", always ending in bigger problem, for me, romantic tragedy. Now I see, how this romanticization and dream of similar boys, even before seeing Twilight, was unhealthy for me and leaded me to wanting some drama and tension between every boyfriend and maybe also friend, I had.
Literally dying when you said "My Magic Sex will fix broken boy." 😂😂 This needs to be on t-shirts immediately with Bella and Edward's faces on them.
…oh honey there’s a whooooole subgenre of it. Twilight’s just the most infamous ig?? 😅🤣
-and my female friends WONDERED why I, also female, haaaaaate romcoms as a General Rule (yes there’s exceptions but y’know.) and just. Refused to eeeeveeeer read/watch this crap…-
I watched this second part on the cinema with my cousin. When Jane died, EVERYONE cheered. It was epic! But then we found out it was a just Alice's vision, everyone booed and threw popcorn at the screen.
Yeah, my theater too. I didn't throw my popcorn cuz it's mine but I was upset but I was also MAD when Seth died...so I was like..."huh..."
I only watched this one in the theaters- my friend introduced me to breaking dawn part 1 and I saw that right before- never saw the middle to at that point (thank goodness) twilight was playing at a group thing when it first came out but I just kinda didn't pay any mind to it. I actually like the blue filter indy vibes of the first one. The second one tried too hard to be hollywoody- new director and such. I remember people actually liked the first one cause it was a new concept before vampires and wolves were overdone. I think people started to take it less seriously or started hating it during the second and third movie. I know by the end of the series and once 50 shades came out they hated it and started analyzing it more. I thought the last two really stood on their own with their own vibes from the second and third in a really great campy way- they just felt more mature in a sense with acting and direction. Point of comment was yes the fight scene was EPIC and kinda a let down it was just a dream lol
Wait, so was it a vision or not? And who's Jane? I don't remember half the characters.
@@tiph3802 Jane was the one that could inflict pain on people. At first,the movie make us think a bunch of characters died,but turns out it was just a vision
@@yagami-chan1059 thanks. Can't tell which is worse, the book being a tease or the movie giving you a fake out. Ugh.
I read all the books in three days when I was home sick from school, and even with a teenage brain I could see how toxic the relationships were. I watched the first three movies when they came out and they were so terrible I never watched the two Breaking Dawn ones. So apparently I missed the only moments of entertainment to be had in the entire franchise.
Please don't do 50 Shades. You deserve better.
same here. exact same. didnt read it as quickly, more reluctantly but yeah. such bad writing. and the movies turned out accordingly
Charlie has been so patient and stayed out of everyones life throughout this series
I kinda feel bad for him in a way
Billy Burke ROCKED as Charlie. I´m not an expert but the way he delivered his lines, his gestures, and body language were 99% of the time on point.
He was my favourite in the movies.
Best acting in the films, totally.
I remember watching this in theaters and when Carlisle died, one lady screamed "no", stood up and left the theater.
Sounds like someone I know
as she should
The whole “baby” makes no sense because Stephanie Meyer explained, unless I’m remembering wrong, that Vampires don’t have flowing blood so how could Edward get it up to even get Bella pregnant 🤷🏻♀️😂
Pure pelvic muscel, yeah vampiers dont make logical sense.
Its like they are a delivery firm but without the delivery
@@rambo8863 I'm dying🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He's always erect cause he's stiff? Dunno 😅🤣
... Well, we're talking about immortal vampires with superpowers... I don't think "getting it up" is the biggest logical hurdle, lol
Similarly, how can Vampires smell so strongly when they can't breathe? 😂
I love Jonathan's reaction to Renesmee's baby cgi. I can't stop laughing.
Of all the ideas Stephanie had to conclude Jacob’s arc, this was what she came up with! Not make use of an existing age appropriate character, but this!
Right!?
What’s even more disturbing is the assumed alternate (but discarded?) plotline implied by the fact that Jacob was so attracted to Bella because of the future Renesmee.
Let alone that it is basically straight up grooming in the published canon… but then one wonders what Meyer’s intentions were if Bella had chosen Jacob; it’s not hard to cringe at where she might have taken the imprinting plot point! It’s just so gross no matter which way you round it
On the grooming problem: How is Jacob grooming the little CGI creature?
He's the one who has no choices: he's stuck to her and her needs, and _he_ is the one who will adapt to whatever she needs. There's nothing there about _her_ adapting to him.
So basically, whatever Jacob was up to that point, his personality is now poured into a "Renecreme's needs" mold that keeps changing. The most harmless outcome of that is that when she's five, Jacob can probably look forward to being obsessed with Elsa for a couple of years, because that's what Renegotiate wants to talk about at least two hours a day.
How about that for creepy.
@@Julia-lk8jn he isnt actually doing it but its the concept and it applies here, because the story simply went that way. jacob could have been a brother, uncle, etc. but nope the story demanded him to take care of her until she is old enough to be his romantic partner. which is grooming.
@@Darkstormsun9865 not buying it. _normally_ that would be grooming because if you raise a child you inevitably firm that child's character, and you'd have to be the perfect person. To not do that with "what sort of partner do I want" in mind.
But Jacob's the one being formed not the little CGI doll. If she turns out a lesbian, he's going to be her platonic friend for ever.
Which would be grimly hilarious because that's exactly what he was for her mother.
I really love that Allan talks about directing in those videos, I feel like he doesn't talk about it enough. We have a lot of therapy (and it's awsome) but the film direction part is as much as important and interesting in my opinion.
Thanks for the hard work though :)
Agree more Alan please
Definitely agree!!
Can't can't the cinema THERAPY without the CINEMA! Agreed! Alan and Jono balance each other out so nicely with their talents
While it is true that Bella's turn did ultimately bring her happiness, I'm not on board with the subtext. The idea that you have to change yourself completely - and I'm not referring to change that naturally comes with personal growth and improvement - to find your sense of purpose and be happy is a dangerous message to send to young girls.
Plus it's a weird suicide/death metaphor, kinda...
especially considering the change canonically makes her extremely beautiful, as though Kirsten Stewart wasn't already stunning by any normal person's standards
I think we can look at it differently though. I only read the 1st book (and only watched the 1st movie) but I remember Bella was kinda out of it from the very beginning, even before meeting Edward. She was uncomfortable for me to read about as she was awkward and with very low self-esteem. I think the fact that she was attracted to Edward, that she wasn't afraid of him and that she wanted to become a vampire, shows us she didn't feel natural as a human. Just like there are people born with the wrong gender, and they feel much better after going through a transformation. So yeah, I prefer to see this as a metaphor for changing yourself to better fit who you really are, as she didn't change for Edward but for herself.
(Still this series is terrible and I can't believe I was able to go through a whole book)
@@nettaboyar9870 you make a fair point, maybe the metaphor could work in that sense for people who are transgender. But since I’m not myself, I don’t want to speak for them. I am curious how a transgender person would feel towards this metaphor.
@@courtneylovett8307 I'm enby, so in the general field? I'd say that tracks if they put more focus on her wanting vampirism for herself and less focus on her obsession with Edward and his abuse. It can be read either way depending on how it's handled.
Edward, when Bella cuts her finger and Jasper goes nuts: Throws Bella into a glass table
Bella: Take Reneesme out of the room. Edward, don't touch me right now, I don't want to hurt you.
Bella has more self-control and good sense on her first day as a vampire than Edward at 109.
"I hope they don't make us do 50 shades or the after series"
Damn, there goes my idea... But if they ever do any of those, I hope they'll watch some great, wholesome movies before that.
Therapize the After films through the lense of the Before films. That's a way to combine the good with the bad and to maybe go slightly less mad.
I did learn something about healthy relationships from Twilight: what a healthy relationship *isn't.* I read the books when I was a teen and was obsessed with them for months and thought they were so romantic and just kept rereading them until I'd read them so many times that I could no longer ignore the red flags that I'd initially brushed over and started to realize that the relationship wasn't healthy. I think Twilight were the first romance books I'd ever read and afterwards, seeing aspects of relationships in other books that were similar to Twilight was an immediate red flag to me.
Like how creepy Edward is for breaking into her room at night to watch(stalk)Bella sleep?
@@paulnicholson5997 That certainly is a red flag, but it's not what made me realize the relationship wasn't healthy -- it was that Edward knew his very presence put Bella in grave danger and yet gives in to his own desire to be with her anyway, and that he agreed to turn her into a vampire even though he was genuinely convinced that becoming a vampire destroys your soul.
@@Lucky10279 yeah he did do that, your right. I also remember he did try to convince her not to be a vampire pretty strenuously though, and even bailed on her hoping she would give it up( which shows a serious lack of understanding when it comes to a love obsessed teenage girl) considering how long he's been alive. So my wife read all the books and said there was much more nuance, like you would expect in a book vs. Movie scenario. But one of the things that continued to piss me off was the " have your cake and eat it too" way Bella treated both Edward and especially Jacob, man she used poor Jacob for a doormat and he was simping for her way to hard.
@@paulnicholson5997 Yeah, Bella isn't great either. I don't think she meant to hurt Jake -- she was just in so much emotional pain and didn't know how to act around him.
What _really_ gets me though is that, rather than, you know, _reasoning_ with Edward when he says he thinks becoming a vampire destroys your soul, she just completely disregards his belief and focuses solely on what _she_ wants, regardless of how it makes Edward feel. Neither one of them knows what a healthy relationship looks like.
@@Lucky10279 your right about that too. She was extremely selfish, bording on Narcissistic. Then again, it is a work of fiction written by a woman, clearly from a womens point of view. I can remember when I was a teen, I had a couple " run, don't walk to the exit" type chicks, so they are out there. Stephanie Myer new her fan base though and had all of those young tween and some not so young( I'm looking at you, wife) eating out of her palm with what is basically a Vampire vs Werewolf, meets harlequin, only not as smutty, Romance that puts the female reader in the shoes of bella. Pure Genius, $ Cha- Ching$!
Dear Alan and Jonathan: thank you for putting yourselves through THIS. Feels like the end of an era!
I wouldn't go that far.
Jono's reaction to the baby entering in the room with Edward kills me. 😆 That's such a pure reaction. No acting in that. The poor guy is terrified. 😆
Seeing them both angry at Jacob's feelings for the baby made my day!!! I'm so happy!😁😁😁
I honestly can't believe that I grew up loving these movies and the books as a teen.. I can't fathom what my teenage brain saw in it, or if it was just the hype because everyone was obsessed. But watching you guys go through all the movies in such detail an honesty taught me so much about myself and how I've grown as a person, because now I can't watch these movies with anything but horror and disgust. Thank you so much!
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I think it was the hype at my school for me XD
I was the same way, but to be fair, it is a very interesting phenomenon: Meyer took a fandom that had just come out off Rowling's work and was juuuuust the right age to really buy into the whole late teen angst fantasy romance thing the books were attempting to convey, while living in a time where people didn't really talk about healthy vs toxic behavior in relationships and a lot of rom coms from the same era would never fly nowadays.
Saaame!
That’s precisely why they market these kinds of movies/shows/books to teens, because they know that their undeveloped brains won’t fully comprehend all the terrible social implications.
I was also a big fan of the movies and the books. I seriously loved them. Now, I enjoy them as the cheese garbage they are and laugh at their garbageness.
Honestly, the most traumatic thing about this series isn’t any of the toxic relationships or emotional abuse or blood… It’s that goddamn CGI baby
This whole series is a metaphorical CGI baby.
I never thought I’d complement a twilight film for anything but as an animator, those wolves are genuinely so well done. They’re actually so entertaining to watch, the subtle acting when the wolf gets up after being slammed into the tree and the other one comes over to help is just unexpectedly good? It’s like a really strong mix of human emotion on top of recognisable canine behaviour.
They're basically weightless, though :( they kinda drift through space like holograms and their movements are not very canine at all, it's generic Big Predator Movements
Just to be “that guy”, you guys really SHOULD cover how problematic 50 Shades is. I don’t enjoy seeing the two of you in pain, but I’ve had an AMAZING time listening to the two of you tear Twilight apart from start to finish. As a human who wasted hours of her life that she can never get back to prove a point, it feels like everything has come full circle.
It all started when one roommate said the book series was awesome and another roommate cried about life wasted, I was thrust into the tiebreaker roll and by the GODS did I tear down the books after finishing. After that I was tricked by various other friends into going to see literally ALL of the movies and risked life and limb to do “in-theatre” what you guys did here on RUclips and it was WORTH EVERY MINUTE to see the utter hate in the faces of those around me as I cracked joke after joke.
It’s the theme of this channel to teach from film and should ABSOLUTELY include problematic films from time to time. Thank you guys for covering this utterly terrible series. While the movies are 100% un-re-watchable (as if that were an actual word), these episodes are hilarious and will be rewatched many many times.
If you're looking for quality content on how problematic 50S is (until Alan and Jonathan decide to buckle up and fall into the void), may I recommend you check out Kennie J.D., Amanda The Jedi and Dominic Noble's channels?
@@elenabe4718 hmmm maybe not Dominic Noble, he only focuses on one side’s toxicity. A lot of people tend to only focus on Christian being a bad boyfriend, but Anna isn’t any better in terms of being toxic. (Both parties are equally bad and I hardly see people talk about that.)
@@AnInkStick I think he talks about Ana too, maybe in the sequels' videos... But I don't remember that well tbh. One I know addresses both Christian and Ana's toxicity is Kennie. I really enjoy her analysis even when I haven't watched the movie
So I only read the first book and it took me waaaaay longer than I usually take to finish a book. By the end i was so furious for wasting ,y life reading that garbage. Every time I stopped reading I would think to myself "that can't be it, there must be a real plot somewhere in this story" when I reached the end where he hit her and she ran home and was crying on her bed, I felt just so angry. There was no plot, there was no story. It was literally just about this fetish of a man and how he abused a super naïve young lady and it's honestly disgusting
@@elenabe4718 I appreciate the offer and I may look into those channels at some point, but I am already very aware of how problematic 50 Shades is without having spent a single moment of my own time on it. Those in my community were very quick to spread the word that it was NOT what it presented itself as and even attempted damage control in the months that followed the release of the first movie in hopes of stopping it in it’s tracks. As we all know, their efforts were in vain as the series continued with more installments.
I was in an abusive relationship in my early 20s. I also read twilight when I was a teen and idolized Edward and Bellas relationship. To be perfectly honest I blame it, in part, for the unrealistic and dangerous ideals I had on love. My ex abused me but I often told myself that the obsessive controlling behavior was just him loving me so much. I convinced myself that him taking my phone away from me and deleting messages from my friends was because he loved me and wanted to protect me. I convinced myself that when he hurt me it was okay because he loved me and was doing it to better me and protect me from myself. It took me years to realize the truth. So while I find the thought of banning books abhorrent I think books like this need to come with disclaimers. So people can see red flags for what they are and not romanticize them.
Woah... I am so sadden to hear what you went through. Yes, I always thought these books need to have a disclaimer of some sort. Young audience sometimes don't understand.
I read the first book of twilight when I was in middle school and admittedly, I did like it. But I never based my relationship on Edward and Bella's relationship. I think I always knew it wasn't realistic.
I made it out fine. But others may not. And that's what scares me. Everyone really deserves to know that these books are not romantically healthy in reality.
I love how you just glossed over the suicidal ancient vampire, that closed his eyes gracefully and said "Ah finally" as he was ripped to shredds. Honestly, that moment shaped me as a person 😂. I remember being an: abused, homeless, honors student, with a full ride scholarship and violent parents. Watching that in the theaters and thinking to myself "Yes, I want to experience that moment of all this pain, coming to an end...finally."
Marcus one of the Voltori elders his wife(Aro's sister) died centuries earlier and he's been wanting to die ever since he realized there was no chance of getting revenge. What he doesn't know is that Aro killed her because Marcus was going to leave the Volturi with her and he saw Marcus's power he has one apparently as more valuable than hers so he killed her to keep Marcus but then Marcus has been depressed they've been using the powers of another voltarian member who can create and Destroy bonds to keep him bound to the Volturi so he won't try to die.
Damn, bro, you okay?
Yeah, that would be pretty cathartic ngl
I mean, I interpreted it as a human person trapped in an immortal, ancient body - which is unnatural and takes a toll, because humans are meant to die after a while. Same take as in the movie In Time. Not teenage suicidal thoughts which indicate the person should seek help to live a healthy lifespan and quality of life.
@@tamakunminnip2117 Where did you see that?
Okay but that fake-out fight scene for the first time in theaters was a thrilling take. I'd read the books, more than once, and had seen every movie in theaters. I was 16 and I remember having the cohesive thought while watching it "Okay, this is a different direction an- oh shit people are actually dying? Okay okay let's see where this goes, this is great! What can they do with this?" and then it was revealed to be a vision and someone in the theater shouted out "SHUT THE FRUNT DOOR!" and I couldn't have agreed with an outburst more. I was slightly disappointed that it wasn't real.