E63, RaceStart VS Brakeboosting AND AMG drive modes explained
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- Опубликовано: 15 янв 2022
- Which is faster? Brakeboosting or using Launch control (race start).
PLUS I explain All the different AMG Drive modes in the w212 E63
How to program the AMG button
How to use Launch control (racestart)
What are the different suspension levels?
s+ vs s vs c
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Great video once again 👍🏽 to the point. I prefer brake boost on my E63s and doesn’t disappoint. More of your E63s vids please 🙏🏽
I also think brake boosting is better for the car.
Considering these have a wet clutch, I would imagine that using race start intentionally slips the clutch for its 4000 RPM launch.
Obviously there is a little slipping going on with brake boosting, but if you're doing it only for a half second like I did in the video, I would imagine that is less wear on that clutch. Now if you're sitting at a light brake boosting for 10 seconds that's a different story
With the brake boost your car is already preloaded. With the race start you have to transfer power/ load the suspension and actually move forward. It is rather violent and “shocks the system “ so to speak. Very useful in RWD platforms with a radial, not so much on AWD with run flat tires lol. just my .02¢
yes i get better traction and faster times in my RWD tuned cls63 using race start vs brake boost@@blade08gt
Great video. I just did some roll racing on our local track that has a 1/4 mile drag strip. I did my best in S+ at a 40 role downshifting into second as I crossed the line and hammered it. Trapped 125mph at 40. I am drag racing today so I am going to try both methods today as well. Thanks for the video. Going to turn on my draggy as well and will report back my results and see if they match up
I was surprised how accurate the draggy is. Sucks there are no drag strips within 4hours of me.
So far, s vs s+ seen to be pretty even in mine, sounds better in s+
Most helpful video so far on this topic. Thanks!
Thanks!
I agree with you 100%. All the topics, testing is spot on. I have noticed brake boosting is the best outcome WITH traction "fully off" and in S+. The part you mentioned about the delay in RS is very true too. Again, this is why I experimented on my own with Brake boosting and RS. Very boticeable difference, even without showing numbers! Another fun one is brake boosting while doing a roll race. Talk about torque!
Never tried the brake boosting while rolling but I would imagine that would be very effective.
I mentioned this to another person's comment, I also think that there is less wear on the wet clutch when brake boosting versus race start as long as you're not brake boosting for very long obviously.
My best times we're done with traction control off, brake boosting, and actually just an S, not S+ interestingly enough
Great job on your resonator mod!
Great informative video as always 💯
Thanks buddy
Make a new E63s m157 video it’s been a long time no video, you’re doing good stuff and sharing good information for the E63s w212 community
I have a couple filmed, but just been so slammed at work, haven't even edited anything. It would be cool to do this full time haha
Great Videos, can't wait for winter to be over to get the E63 back on the road. (MN) 😔
burrr, at least your keeping the miles down haha
In the UK I bought mine a little over a month ago, have had one or two suitable days so far. Can't wait!
Man, I love your videos cuz I love this car. I was trying to decide between w212 e63 or BMW X5M f85. Went with x5m
I currently own w212 facelift e350. It’s on of the most reliable cars I’ve had.
I think I will sell my e350 and get e63…
Hey, thanks for the kind words. There all good cars, each have pros/cons. A friend here at work had a f10 m5... It's cool, but I absolutely prefer the e63... So I bought it over that.
Amazing platform I had a 2015 CLS63S and it shared the same engine and it was a beast once it got a pair of downpipes and pump tune. 0-60 3.2 & 1/4 11.2 the one thing this car slacked in was the transmission even with my TCU tune it was still sluggish. I’ve now upgraded to a 2019 E63S with the 4.0 & 9speed and I’ll tell you it’s as quick as my stage 2 M157 engine in stock form. Shifting is lightning fast in S+ and it’s just an overall better car interior/tech. That bark the m157 engine had was hard to beat, my new AMG pops way more and is much more fun to drive but since it’s missing 1.5 displacement it doesn’t sound as aggressive but sounds really good.
I'm definitely been considering upgrading to the 213, nice to hear your perspective having owned the m157
W212 looks better on outside and better engine
Only problem is lots and lots of recalls on the 4.0 engine. The old 5.5 had very few in 8 yrs compared to more than 10 for the 4.0 V8 from 2019-2021.
The CLS was actually same chassis’s and engine, trans, but with a more aerodynamic, svelte body wrapper. The E is athletic, the CLS is unassuming, the wolf in sheep’s clothing. The E was Jaun Claude Vandam. The newer post 2018-19 models are ugly and all look hideous with their tablet dashes and they’d heavier despite smaller engine. How? Lots more safety and tech for dumb, on-the-phone distracted drivers. Folks,might you have to use the phone in the car, you don’t deserve a license. Texting is 23X more deadly than drinking and driving and even hands free phone calls while driving are 3-4X more dangerous.
What happens if you do the test starting with Brake boost? The ECU is improving for each automatically
Love your videos man. Does the car make air pump sound when going up or down on the ride height mode? Please let me know. Sound as in air release and pump working when you change the ride height?
There pump is very quiet, tiny "hum".
It does however make a lot of phhhsssfft. Air release sounds, all the time .. even when off
If this is a stock car, pretty good. A few mods and you could be in the 2.8 sec range,
I own 2014 e63s. I have had for about 3yrs now. I will marry it. I love everything about it. I have a Uniden R3 radar on it, and I dont even worry about the police. I drive it like I am a F1 car. A true joy. I look forward to my daily drive every day.
I havent done the brake boost but I never feel a lag when I use. My car peels out right away. So if your telling me brake boost is fast, holy cow!
I almost bought a e63s a while ago but the cilinder wall scoring scared me away so I bought a C63S instead. Still love the E and it was a monster with the 4matic system. I just couldn't risk blowing or damaging the motor because I can't afford a rebuild. My next goal is a E63 pre-facelift with the M156 engine next to my C63S and use the E63 for holidays.
@@tubejorrit you wont regret it. Its the best bang for your buck out there. I have a 2023 M5 Competition now and I still think the E63 is way better.
Great video and what is the difference between the 0-60(1ft) vs the draggy time as they differ?
Draggy actually gives you both.
I read an great article from car and driver, basically the 1ft rollout attempts to achieve a more accurate time, it starts the time once the car reaches one foot.
Love the way how your car is stanced/lowered, mind telling us your setup?
Thanks man!
H&R springs and 10mm spacers in the rear.
I actually have alignment and spacers videos on the channel as well, ruclips.net/video/aN4EARQpeJ0/видео.html
So in brake boost, did you just stay in the comfort control knob?
great video and explanation of the launch options on the E63 / W212 AWD!
Quick question, what RPM did you launch at when you brake boosted?
if stock you're typically safe launching at 2200-2500 RPM but if tuned then wouldnt go above 1500-ish otherwise you'll risk output shaft snapping.
Also think your Race Start launch was "invalid" per Dragy due to the slope being > minus 1 degree but I know sometimes Dragy can report inconsistent slope even on repeated runs on same stretch.
I definitely don't want to slip the clutch too long while holding the brake. I shoot for letting off the break as soon as it gets close to 2200. I actually can hear the turbos and that's when I know it's ready.
Of course it's kind of hard to be super precise if you're doing it quickly.
All the runs were done on the same stretch of road, I had to switch phones and so it didn't download the data I guess and it showed it as invalid. But yes sometimes it shows a slope and other times it doesn't show slope on the exact same road.
Watch the video dipstick. And you’ll see the rpm. It’s difficult to see what the race start launched at but I think it’s near 4k rpm but drops down to near 3300 once rolling. Race start is. To the quickest way to get great runs on these.
Instead of waiting 10sec for it go back into auto mode, you can hold the + pedal for 2 sec and it will go into auto mode. This works in any trans setting except manual of course. Great video ken👌
I that is correct. I'm always trying to figure out the balance of over explaining versus losing viewers LOL.
So a few years back I test drove a 2009 c63, and I downshifted into 2nd using the paddles only, It hit redline it didn't shift into 3rd. In my e63, using the paddles to put in second, it will automatically shift into third. Which is perfect for a quick pull or race. And if you want manual, you put it in manual. Much more sense than that c63
Or push down on the gear selector lever to "D" momentarily and that does the same thing but instantly. Another great video! Thank you for uploading! 🥳
If you want to do a roll race in the best gear, hold the "down" paddle and it will shift it to the best gear for a pull.
Look into 5Soko Transmission Tune. Stock TCU tune only cars hitting sub 3 seconds with the tune.
Yup, one of my forum buddy's. Pretty cool what kind of gains you get just from a TCU.
Another great video for us E63 owners! How did you get your steering wheel looking brand new like that?
My car only has 15k miles.
I've heard gently cleaning it with sonax work when use gets dirty
@@ExoticCarDIY I just cleaned the alcantara recently, it was so dirty from prior owners you wouldn't have thought it was even alcantara!
I use some griots interior cleaner and a brush followed with a microfiber cloth. Good enough for an 8 year old daily
I could use some help for a friend and his E63S. It’s a 14’.
What RPM did you break boost? Looks like you let go at 2K. Have a 2014 E550 tuned want to try this on. Idle launch I got 3.8 hoping for better since no race start.
I'd estimate around 2200 on that one. I really don't like to hold it very long, it takes a little practice to nail it . My best time probably was around 2,300 RPM. I got a 3.3 flat.
But like I said, If you go above 2500 rpm., the engine completely cuts out and goes to idle for a couple seconds, it'll scare you LOL
Prior to 2016 or so,the mags never used a 1 foot roll out.
When you brake boost do you do it in d or manual shift on s+?
Auto in either S or s+
Is there anyway you can see the quality of transmission fluid via computer on your radio display screen on E63 AMG 2010
Sorry forgot to mention I have a E63 AMG 2010
I briefly look through all the functions on the screen, and I did not see one for transmission fluid
Hey I wanted to ask is your car rwd or is it 4 matic
4matic
best e63
:)
What are you thoughts on a muffler delete on my M157 GLE63?
I would assume they're both muffler and resonators like the other m157 vehicles. I did something similar to a muffler delete on my e63. Minor, but nice sound increase. I would recommend it.
@@ExoticCarDIY I have 1 huge muffler and 1 resonator and 2 cats. Not sure why they couldn’t do a dual muffler system like your car.
@@jimmytran1870 interesting, not sure then. I like cars to sound good, that doesn't always mean loud. I'm sure someone has some sound clips
Bro. I'm wondering have u experience the right center dashboard clicking noise for this car. Mine is having this noise for a while. Not sure Where's that coming from.
I hate rattles, never had one from dash yet. Might be the harness advice the radio. I remember on my c6z06, I swear it had a rattle from the dash, I took it completely apart. Turned out to be something in the overhead console bouncing sounds of the windshield that made me think it was the dash.
Anyway, the only things on my E63 that rattled were the dang b&o tweeters! Fixed with hot glue from the inside
@@ExoticCarDIY thanks for noted. Does the BO speaker noise come from the A pillar? Just wondered
@@winstonw5273 yes. To be a no trim is conducted of a piece of aluminum inside of a piece of plastic. That's certain temperatures, they just ticked or rattled like crazy. I put a tiny bit of hot glue between the aluminum and plastic from the inside, fixed everything
@@ExoticCarDIY i see. I'm worried about the A pillar airbags. Any suggestion or steps that i Need to be aware of?
@@winstonw5273 anytime working around airbags, unplug the battery
Hello how are you keeping mate, though I would ask, my e63 keeps pulling to the left ? Any ideas, i did the tracking
What were the alignment specs?
You could swap the front tires side to side of they aren't directional.
Likely just need them to realign it again. When they use a machine the computer will show a thrust angle. When they do it again you can just have them adjust the thrust angle to slightly right of where it is now. (Likely by adding a little caster to the left side)
@@ExoticCarDIY how you doing there, just thought i let you know it might help someone as well, it was the tyre run flat tyre heavier, do you know your tyres size ? Also are they normal or rft? Please let me know
Mine are all non run flats. Michelin ps4. 255/285
@@ExoticCarDIY Pirelli P Zero 255/35/19 thats what i have apart from one that was run flat tyre that needs to be removed, rear tyres should be wider
No torque converter, right? I would think those are some expensive brake boosts.
No torque converter, it's a wet clutch. So too my surprise I have not seen/heard of a single failure of the wet clutch on these. And even if they did, it's a $400 part. Crazy
Is this car stock? I think it is but I only ask because the exhaust sounds louder than others I've heard.
The car is bone stock other than the mufflers. They have been slightly modified.
I have a video on my channel showing what was done to my mufflers.
@@ExoticCarDIY Thanks for the info on mufflers. I'll check out your other vids to see exactly what you've done to them. And that's funny... yes, I'm bidding on (and likely taking home 😜) that BaT wagon. But in all seriousness, I've got a budget in mind and I've been looking for months, so no big deal to continue the search if this one doesn't work out. I''m also actively considering two other vehicles, so we're just gonna see how it all plays out. My preference would be one with less miles, as it will be my DD and I drive a lot but you can't have it all, lol. And yes, I do have a CTS-V wagon currently. Bought with 18K miles on it and now has 95K... like I said, I drive and enjoy them. I'd ask if you want to buy it and do me the favor of not driving the price up on the E63, lol, but I've already got a buyer for it. How about this, you let me snag the E63 and then I'll continue watching and supporting your channel?! ;) "See you" tomorrow!
@@CarCrazyRDM yeah, if you look back at all the history on BaT and CbB, looking at the prices of all the wagons that have currently sold, you may have already made the winning bid. This one does have more miles than I'd like, and to be completely honest, that Matte paint kind of worries me the more I read about it. It looks good, but basically seems like if there's any defects, you can't fix them like you would on normal paint.
Sounds like we're in the exact same boat, I've got a bunch of cars around the country I'm looking at, none of them just pushed me over the edge yet
@@ExoticCarDIY I can wish all day that $55K is gonna get it but not a chance. Any of the historical bids older than maybe 6 months unfortunately don't mean a lot in this crazy market. My guesstimate... very low end $60K, high end maybe $70K. Then there's that damn 5%...doh! I actually talked to the owner of this car before it was on BaT and he only had it listed on Auto Trader. But when I did he had already committed it to BaT and I had another car I was chasing. I'll be curious to see if he makes out better or worse with BaT. He told me then he actually thought he'd net less money but that BaT would keep him from dealing with tire-kickers and "drama." I guess we'll find out in about 30 hours! :)
Rwd or awd?
In the us, they're all all wheel drive
Can you use brake boosting while under race start mode?
no, its just not set up like that. in RS you simply push the pedal all the way and the computer sets the rpm at a predetermined level.
@@ExoticCarDIY thanks for the reply, so when using RS mode, you dont need to push the brake at all?
@@jackeyzhu3702 you do.
To do race star:
come to a complete stop
Firmly depressed the brake
Put car into sport mode (traction control)
Turn mode knob to RS (race start)
The dash will ask you to confirm by pulling the right paddle once.
Push the gas all the way down up to 5 seconds I think
Let off break when you're ready to go
@@ExoticCarDIY so from an operation perspective, race start and brake boosting (when start the car) are essentially the same and the main difference is that when doing race start you need to switch to the delegated RS mode?
This video is kind of making reconsider buying a w204 c63 lol
I've always liked the way the w204 looked as well
Well, 500 rpm drop anyway in Race start. So technically race start should be the quickest. Odd.
What were the ambient temps and humidity when you did these tests.
Race start does not give u 557hp or 585hp direct the gearbox is electronicly delivering so much power so u wheels does not spin s u could hade like 500 HP on launch just So u dont spin bur brake boost all power directly my cls63 is the same
Is your car bone stock?
Yes
Hi,great car and great video. I have just buy one 63 w212 and it’s wonderful. Your model is the 525 hp? Not turbo model right ? Thanx
Mine has three m157 engine, 577/590 biturbo.
And you didn’t say what the suspension and traction were in during the brake boost. I didn’t see sport or traction squiggly lit up in fuel/temp gauge so that must mean normal traction, correct?
And, at 2:27 to 2:34, trans in C always raises the car, not lowers it. And there is no way to keep it lower with out special rear lowering links which are easy to swap. The car can not be programmed to start in sport, sport+ or manual modes. It defaults to C/ Eco mode every start up, no matter what trans mode.
At 3.33 first launch in sport suspension mode, comfort handling and sport+ trans. Hmmmm. How can you be in comfort handling with sport suspension on? The handling is the suspension button and traction doesn’t cover any of those.
Race start seems to have half the rpm drop at the start.
Why you never respond to my comments or questions?
3:32 he says sport handling mode
Plus he didn't detail what set-up was used for the brake boost part at 4:38.
The stupid 1ft roll out was brought out in 2016 or 17. Vehicles are doing between 5-7 mph by then. And 1 ft is barely 2/10ths of a sec or basically 3.3 sec vs 3.5 sec. And as slow as this cars 7 and MCT trans is, almost 1.2 seconds worth of time just shifting from 0-60, these cars would likely run 3.2 or even 3 sec flat if the trabs would shift quicker. I see now why everyone loves the 9 spd in the 2018 MY cars. They do have 50 lbs less weight and 40 ho and 45-50 lb ft more torque too. But geeez the 9 spd is amazing. Imagine a 7 spd MCT with a really good tune in a 2014-17' E63S or CLS63S and about 620 hp instead of 550 hp/531 tq. Sorry, I forgot too thst the E63S had the full 577 hp/590 tq while the CLS63S has the 550 hp/531 tq which would explain why the more svelte, luxurious CLS63S is slower to 60, to 100 and 1/4 and 0-130, 0-150.... heck above 100 the old 2012-2013 models with the P30 performance pack with 550 hp and RWD would pull ahead of newer AWD models. Alot less weight and different gearing.
And folks if you are considering one of these or a CLS63S
Mate, it’s you. That E63 S should pull a 3.3 all day and a 3.2 if you get it just right.
Give yourself a medal! You have the fastest bone stock E63 by far.
What is your draggy name? I'd love to see those Time slips
Um, mine is doing 3.3 .... 5:40 in the vid.
Having said that, I kind of agree with Mr E63, I've been following these for a long time I don't think I bones stock m157 has ever run 3.2s... and if they are, they've never posted proof.
Anyway, thanks for watching!
@@ExoticCarDIY
I’ve run 3.2 in mine many many times. I have a 2019 E63 S and I’m under 3 now.
Many things factor into it. Temperature, tires, the car itself, driver, etc.
You should be a little quicker is what I’m telling you. Keep practicing and try it with new tires, you’ll be surprised.
There is a RUclips video of a W212 smoking a P85D at the drag strip. Trust me, the W212 can run 3.2/3.3.
@@user-jh6hs4ve5d
You’re a fool.
@@electriceyeslide5959well there's why, you have a completely different car than this video is about.
W212 vs w213
And a w-213 should be running about 3.1