I love how Biz can get big names like Sid and McKinnon on his pod and Sportsnet has to interview him. Its just another example of how people don't care for big media like Sportsnet, we're just stuck with them due to the stranglehold they have over NHL game coverage. Keep doing your thing Biz, Spittin Chicklets is a great podcast.
I agree. Teams that win Cups sacrifice. Win the Cups, the money will folllow. At least enough money will follow. Great point by Biz: can you settle for 10.5 instead of 11 million? Greedy players don’t usually win anything, anyways.
I think that's the beauty of hockey tho. Let players focus on the tasks and goals at hand, not media click bait. I think its great some players keep their personal lives...personal.
Interesting point Biz makes about saying whatever he wants based on financial security. I agree with that. Have come to like Biz alot more, always enjoyed his humor but his mind is very interesting.
Cannot deny that Crosby is a top 3 all time all around player. He isn't the best offensive or defensive player he just does everything so good doesn't really have a weakness.
Top 3 ever? Ok let's think about this. Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Gordie Howe, Bobby Orr, Maurice Richard, Guy Lafleur. Ok I am going to stop now. Top 3 my ass.
Yes, Sid won the Conn Smythe in the B2B season Championships vs Sharks & Nashville. Malkin won it in 2009 vs Red Wings. I know Talbot played awesome with 2 goals, but remember how great Kennedy played? Even Scuderi with some huge plays by the net. Flower made the save of his career, and played the last 2 games like the superstar he is..What a series!
Let's talk about Crosby! Spends three minutes on it, tries to shift the overton window about making NHL a lame overly player driven drama filled circus show like the NBA, inevitably talks about the Leafs.
Lol yes. He is speaking to a Canadian broadcast that likes click bait and viewers so they will want to try and talk about the leafs. Not to mention, it fit in with what the leafs are trying to do. Marner might be the only 10 mil+ a season RFA. Say what you want but when a leaf RFA is looking at the most money then sportsnet and tsn will run with it. ESPN never focuses on the leafs. Go read up on some college football or don't watch the video
Andrew Bout ESPN never focuses on hockey period because of the contracting rules for the NHL. That’s part of why many Americans are annoyed with 24/7 Leafs on Sportsnet. It’s the only place to get good NHL news. Personally I’m just sick of the Marner debate because there’s never anything new. We heard everything that’s come out so far already in the first couple weeks. They just spent the rest of the time bickering.
Ten Best players: 10. Alexander Ovechkin 9. Nicklas Lidstrom 8. Sidney Crosby 7. Jaromir Jagr 6.Terry Sawchuk 5. Maurice Richard 4. Mario Lemieux 3. Wayne Gretzky 2. Gordie Howe 1. Bobby Orr
So there are 11 NHL players who have more points then Crosby at 30 years old. With the adjustment for "Today's NHL" he still falls way short of the elete. So please tell my how he is the GOAT?
bunari Before you go name calling- (too late) why don’t you take your own advice. Even just looking at the top 3, he absolutely isn’t #1 when you factor in the games. Crosby is almost 1,000 points behind Gretzky in 125 less games so unless he can put up half his career total next year, that game comparison doesn’t matter. He has almost 200 points LESS than Lemieux except Lemieux did is with 183 FEWER games played. Jagr is where it starts getting debateable. Jagr has about 130 more points in 93 more games. So if Crosby given this year as well to count as age 30, he would still need a spectacular season to pass Jagr. If you really want to talk look at game counts...some of the all time greats that won’t come close to #1 like Howe, or Richard or any of your older era players- they all played half the amount of games by age 30 if that. Howe or Marcel Dionne are probably the two best for a statistical analysis with even games played
JeremyCuddles There’s a reason for that. Everything gets “bigger, faster, stronger” as the game evolves. You know what else changed? Rules. Equipment. Give Crosby a wood stick with no flex-no curve or a home made curve and leather skates and limit the training he’s given to 1960-70s hockey and physical training and tell me he’d be as good as he is now. Not to mention murder was basically legal in the game back then, and players just had to deal with it. He wouldn’t survive the slashing and stick work that went on back then for sure, not to mention the constant hitting. The primary reason for the evolution of the speed and skill being “better” today, is because of the rules and game style changes. Players are given more space, and defenders are given more limitations. That’s why you can run a 4-1 set up and teams will take defensemen who don’t actually play defense very well. In terms of goalies, that’s a function of equipment again. Goalies were originally butterfly because their pads weighed 10x more than the ones they wear today. “No flexibility” may be how you see it because they weren’t forced to sprawl all the time, but actually hockey is likely to transition back to a stand-up primary hybrid style instead of a butterfly primary hybrid or pure butterfly. The damage done to goalies by trying to be ultra flexible is why you have guys like Carey Price that don’t make it past 30. They’re destroying their hips before they’re even into the NHL with the current style. Many of the newer modern goalies have already started shifting away from using a butterfly primary stance. With lighter pads, being able to stay up more often gives them a better chance to make a save anyways if they cut down the angles. I disagree that Defense are stronger today. Give me one example of a current defensemen who is better defensively physically and positionally than the 80s-90s at the very least. You’ll always be able to find better examples in the past. Offensively I agree it seems that way, but that’s because with the rule changes the game has transitioned to a 4 man rush instead of a 3 man rush, and the point shot is going away so defensemen are being used like 4th and 5th forwards. My personal belief is that you simply can’t compare eras point for point. If you gave Gretzky or Lemieix modern training, modern equipment, faster goalies and today’s hockey with less holding, slashing, and checking, would they score more or less? If you gave Crosby a wood stick, no curve leather skates, less padding, and 1960-70s training and nutrition, violent hitting, violent, constant, slashing and constant holding but gave him stand up goalies, would he score more or less. The end result is today’s game is a product of what hockey was and what the league decided to do with that. Modern training wouldn’t exist without what came before, and modern rules and equipment have either been changed because of the past or changed in spite of the past. I think the best example of a player who could be considered an all time great if not the best by any standard is Gordie Howe. He manages to score at least 20 for 22 years straight, starting his pro career in 1945, and then continuing to score at least 15 goals each year- up to multiple 30-40 goal seasons and 90-100 point seasons for another 35 years. He played in 5 different decades but the stint with the Detroit Vipers in the IHL was really a publicity/celebration thing. He was dominant for almost 40 years though, while most players get 10-15 and then another 5-10 of being good but no longer as meaningful as they once were. During all those seasons, Howe was also playing a bare minimum of 12 less games as well. I think the average comes closer to -25 per season not counting playoffs. Those high 20 goal seasons would be high 30s at the very least probably more like 40. The 30s and 40s would be more like 45-60. They would all be good no matter when they grew up but you can’t compare players point for point without them actually playing through those eras. Howe is as close as you can get.
Crosby is the best. Canadian hero. Once he is done with hockey he is a movie star. Him and MacKinnon on trailer park boys.
Lion heart your drunk
@@lionheart9902 He's not even the best player on his team, let alone the entire NHL. Malkin is way better than Crosby.
@@brandons9138 you have got to be kidding. Crosby is way more consistent and doesn't take shifts off and disappear last year Malkin was a -25 lmfao.
@@brandons9138 Crosby > Malkin
@@brandons9138 LSD is a helluva drug.
I love how Biz can get big names like Sid and McKinnon on his pod and Sportsnet has to interview him. Its just another example of how people don't care for big media like Sportsnet, we're just stuck with them due to the stranglehold they have over NHL game coverage.
Keep doing your thing Biz, Spittin Chicklets is a great podcast.
Crosby got the Chiclets bump, Pens win the cup again this year
Biz nails it during the last 2 minutes of this interview!
I agree. Teams that win Cups sacrifice. Win the Cups, the money will folllow. At least enough money will follow. Great point by Biz: can you settle for 10.5 instead of 11 million? Greedy players don’t usually win anything, anyways.
Excellent last 5 minutes about the contracts and winning the Cups. SPOT ON Paul!
Sid the GOAT.
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@Carleton Rutherford you must be blind.
@Carleton Rutherford Right! No idea what he his talking about.
Not even close lol
How do these guys at sportnets not know Crosby won both mvps in 16,17 lol.
Ikr
Kennedy Because they obsess over Canadian teams, specifically the Leafs
Jonathan Z as a die hard pens fan I had to think about it. Kessel honestly should have won the first
"Frish to fry" god damnit Biz
I think that's the beauty of hockey tho. Let players focus on the tasks and goals at hand, not media click bait. I think its great some players keep their personal lives...personal.
Conn Smythe trophy both years boys, come on!
NifeOO4niff just further proof that big hockey media doesn’t actually pay attention to hockey
ok, biz with some very legitimate points 🔥 Love what they bring with whit insight wise !!
It seemed clear to me that Crosby doesn't like anything to do with Subban, and really didn't want to give that clown any more media attention
I can't blame him at all. Impressed to hear about Sid's dedication.
Interesting point Biz makes about saying whatever he wants based on financial security. I agree with that. Have come to like Biz alot more, always enjoyed his humor but his mind is very interesting.
Cannot deny that Crosby is a top 3 all time all around player. He isn't the best offensive or defensive player he just does everything so good doesn't really have a weakness.
Top 3 ever? Ok let's think about this. Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Gordie Howe, Bobby Orr, Maurice Richard, Guy Lafleur. Ok I am going to stop now. Top 3 my ass.
@@JimS47 even gretzky and lemieux said they couldn't keep up with today's speed and overall level so there's that
@@JimS47 Crosby is 3rd all time.
@@JimS47 Richard and Lafleur! Come on man what next Cyclone Taylor.
Lmao Crosby is maybe top 300 but top 3 ? Never.
I love Paul B.’s insight :-)
Yes, Sid won the Conn Smythe in the B2B season Championships vs Sharks & Nashville. Malkin won it in 2009 vs Red Wings. I know Talbot played awesome with 2 goals, but remember how great Kennedy played? Even Scuderi with some huge plays by the net. Flower made the save of his career, and played the last 2 games like the superstar he is..What a series!
WHERE THE HELL IS MY DAILY MITCH MARNER UPDATE SPORTNET?!
*Leafsnet
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You know you don't have to watch sportsnet if you don't like it right?
I’m joking my guy. Also ew fwc
Yeah SOOOONNNNKKKKK
Dubas got biz on the show to talk marner into staying
Not a big deal
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How do they not know who won the Con Symthe certain years that are very recent? They work in hockey and have played?
They don’t know how to Google.
the difference between NHL and all other pro sports.... the other sports are all about individual, clickbait, soundbites, me me me where NHL isnt.
Sid had Mario to help guide him. Hard to beat that mentor
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JD Bunkis is sooooooo annoying. He loves to hear himself talk. Just shut up and let the guest speak
Marner to the islanders
HAHSHAHSHSHS
They desperately need top 6 help too.
Thicc
Let's talk about Crosby!
Spends three minutes on it, tries to shift the overton window about making NHL a lame overly player driven drama filled circus show like the NBA, inevitably talks about the Leafs.
Lol yes. He is speaking to a Canadian broadcast that likes click bait and viewers so they will want to try and talk about the leafs. Not to mention, it fit in with what the leafs are trying to do. Marner might be the only 10 mil+ a season RFA. Say what you want but when a leaf RFA is looking at the most money then sportsnet and tsn will run with it. ESPN never focuses on the leafs. Go read up on some college football or don't watch the video
Andrew Bout ESPN never focuses on hockey period because of the contracting rules for the NHL. That’s part of why many Americans are annoyed with 24/7 Leafs on Sportsnet. It’s the only place to get good NHL news. Personally I’m just sick of the Marner debate because there’s never anything new. We heard everything that’s come out so far already in the first couple weeks. They just spent the rest of the time bickering.
Justin Brewer NHL should sign some sort of deal with ESPN. They will get more exposure on it
why am i looking at Brad Marchand???
Let’s hush the leaf talk about biz20%
Ten Best players:
10. Alexander Ovechkin
9. Nicklas Lidstrom
8. Sidney Crosby
7. Jaromir Jagr
6.Terry Sawchuk
5. Maurice Richard
4. Mario Lemieux
3. Wayne Gretzky
2. Gordie Howe
1. Bobby Orr
Can I get some of those drugs?
Derek M Don't be shy... Let's see your list.
Mcdavid?
@@odoaceroftheneoromanempire7178
1. Orr
2. Mario
3. Howe
4. Gretzky
5. Crosby
Not gonna make a full list tbh..but Gretzky is easily #1, followed by Howe, Orr, Lemieux, Crosby (though when he retires I'd probably put him higher)
So there are 11 NHL players who have more points then Crosby at 30 years old. With the adjustment for "Today's NHL" he still falls way short of the elete. So please tell my how he is the GOAT?
Look at his games played compared to the others dumbfuck
bunari Before you go name calling- (too late) why don’t you take your own advice. Even just looking at the top 3, he absolutely isn’t #1 when you factor in the games.
Crosby is almost 1,000 points behind Gretzky in 125 less games so unless he can put up half his career total next year, that game comparison doesn’t matter. He has almost 200 points LESS than Lemieux except Lemieux did is with 183 FEWER games played.
Jagr is where it starts getting debateable. Jagr has about 130 more points in 93 more games. So if Crosby given this year as well to count as age 30, he would still need a spectacular season to pass Jagr. If you really want to talk look at game counts...some of the all time greats that won’t come close to #1 like Howe, or Richard or any of your older era players- they all played half the amount of games by age 30 if that. Howe or Marcel Dionne are probably the two best for a statistical analysis with even games played
Look at points per game. He's fifth overall all-time, without an adjustment for era.
JeremyCuddles There’s a reason for that. Everything gets “bigger, faster, stronger” as the game evolves. You know what else changed? Rules. Equipment. Give Crosby a wood stick with no flex-no curve or a home made curve and leather skates and limit the training he’s given to 1960-70s hockey and physical training and tell me he’d be as good as he is now. Not to mention murder was basically legal in the game back then, and players just had to deal with it. He wouldn’t survive the slashing and stick work that went on back then for sure, not to mention the constant hitting. The primary reason for the evolution of the speed and skill being “better” today, is because of the rules and game style changes. Players are given more space, and defenders are given more limitations. That’s why you can run a 4-1 set up and teams will take defensemen who don’t actually play defense very well.
In terms of goalies, that’s a function of equipment again. Goalies were originally butterfly because their pads weighed 10x more than the ones they wear today. “No flexibility” may be how you see it because they weren’t forced to sprawl all the time, but actually hockey is likely to transition back to a stand-up primary hybrid style instead of a butterfly primary hybrid or pure butterfly. The damage done to goalies by trying to be ultra flexible is why you have guys like Carey Price that don’t make it past 30. They’re destroying their hips before they’re even into the NHL with the current style. Many of the newer modern goalies have already started shifting away from using a butterfly primary stance. With lighter pads, being able to stay up more often gives them a better chance to make a save anyways if they cut down the angles. I disagree that Defense are stronger today. Give me one example of a current defensemen who is better defensively physically and positionally than the 80s-90s at the very least. You’ll always be able to find better examples in the past. Offensively I agree it seems that way, but that’s because with the rule changes the game has transitioned to a 4 man rush instead of a 3 man rush, and the point shot is going away so defensemen are being used like 4th and 5th forwards.
My personal belief is that you simply can’t compare eras point for point. If you gave Gretzky or Lemieix modern training, modern equipment, faster goalies and today’s hockey with less holding, slashing, and checking, would they score more or less? If you gave Crosby a wood stick, no curve leather skates, less padding, and 1960-70s training and nutrition, violent hitting, violent, constant, slashing and constant holding but gave him stand up goalies, would he score more or less.
The end result is today’s game is a product of what hockey was and what the league decided to do with that. Modern training wouldn’t exist without what came before, and modern rules and equipment have either been changed because of the past or changed in spite of the past. I think the best example of a player who could be considered an all time great if not the best by any standard is Gordie Howe. He manages to score at least 20 for 22 years straight, starting his pro career in 1945, and then continuing to score at least 15 goals each year- up to multiple 30-40 goal seasons and 90-100 point seasons for another 35 years. He played in 5 different decades but the stint with the Detroit Vipers in the IHL was really a publicity/celebration thing. He was dominant for almost 40 years though, while most players get 10-15 and then another 5-10 of being good but no longer as meaningful as they once were. During all those seasons, Howe was also playing a bare minimum of 12 less games as well. I think the average comes closer to -25 per season not counting playoffs. Those high 20 goal seasons would be high 30s at the very least probably more like 40. The 30s and 40s would be more like 45-60. They would all be good no matter when they grew up but you can’t compare players point for point without them actually playing through those eras. Howe is as close as you can get.
@@Pojotin whats the comparison
Pens done..won't make playoffs this year
Oops
Ruh Roh!
Lol