Your story is horrifying. We trust our pharmacists, our doctors to have our best interests in mind. I hope this hun has quit her MLM, knowing she nearly lost her job. You were right to change CVS, better safe than sorry!
@@LilithPl3asant my research shows the max fine is $250,000, but that may be for each individual violation. It could be, depending on the judge and the lawyers, she could be charged the maximum fine per patient, potentially adding to over a million.
Hannah, you’d be so proud! My son turned 18 recently so I had the “talk” with him and warned him about “business opportunities” and anyone asking him to join their teams. He said “oh like LulaRoe!” (I was involved in LulaRoe. He’s a pretty smart and intuitive person so I’m not too worried about him getting involved with them.
I suspect that the reason why they didn't interview OP is because of her experience working in a lab. They don't want people with that experience because such a person is a potential whistleblower. She could cause them a lot of trouble.
I mean, if you’re testing for their own recipe for their own certification, it seems that whatever adulterants are present are there on purpose. That’s the beauty of making your own certification; you can fit the test to overlook the the crap you put in on purpose. 😂
Technically, they're right that the ring finger has no muscles... Because none of the fingers have muscles in them. Fingers move using tendons which are connected to the muscles in the forearms! That's why when you wiggle your fingers you can see the tendons in your hand and wrist move.
My husband and I allowed our daughters friend to do a Cut Co demonstration and we ended up buying the scissors. We knew it was an MLM, but our daughter begged us to help him out. We've had the scissors for almost 20 years. They are really good scissors. Every time we use them, we laugh about it!
Lol when I was in my teens cutco hoodwinked me into selling it and I did make a few sales, I will say the product is good, I still have my starter kit and everything still looks and works like they're brand new, it's been at least 20 yrs if not more. I think if they hadn't made it an MLM company they would have succeeded better
My dad bought one of the smaller sets probably 20 years ago. My step sister was dating a guy that was selling cutco. I inherited the set and the scissors are amazing. It's unfortunate it's an MLM which would explain the cost of the products because they are really nice.
That pharmacist should have absolutely have been fired. Healthcare workers are under fire in so many ways these days, and while many of the reasons aren’t legit, this one is. This is a gross ethics violation. I’m very shocked CVS let this slide!!!
Me too. Being fired would probably have driven her further into the clutches of the scheme. I absolutely think she deserved to be fired, but this way it is more likely that she’ll learn from this experience.
It's nice that the customer was kind and understanding about it, but I am genuinely shocked she wasn't fired, too. I like Hannah's take that giving her some grace hopefully kept her from going further down the MLM path, but I wouldn't blame CVS for taking a hard line stance one bit.
It's tough to find techs for retail these days because of how poorly the industry was treated during COVID. Techs are still underpaid (probably why she's in an MLM and attempting to recruit!) and a lot left due to burnout and PTSD. I also assume the pharmacy doesn't want to go through being investigated by the state board for the HIPAA breach. Source: I'm a tech who thankfully no longer works in retail.
The pharmacy tech one was shocking to me! Im also a pharmacy tech, and the only time I have ever seen a coworker use patient information for anything outside of patient care was when we had one regular patient whose wife passed, the pharmacist used the patient's address to send a beautiful bouquet of flowers as a condolence for his wife passing. Never, ever for personal gain or harassment
When I was a new mom, I lost my job. My good friend who lived across the street from me was a “business owner” with Monat. She hounded me for months about joining her team, to use a credit card to buy my starter kit, that I’m missing my opportunity to get ahead and support my family by not jumping in. One day I came home to a huge box at my front door. She had bought the most expensive starter kit for me without telling me. I took it over to her, said thanks but no thanks AGAIN, and told her that if we couldn’t squash this subject, we won’t continue to hang out. I hated it! It made me feel so awkward, but it also made me feel like I wasn’t doing the best for my family!
Good for you! I hope she was able to drop it after that. And I kno u prob kno already but you were taking care of your family by not joining. MLM's drain your acct, they make their money off their "associates" buying product, not from the products themselves.
@@leahyvonne1572 thank you for saying that. I STILL have guilt about that time in my life, but that’s what we do as mothers. I’m glad I was smart enough to not make more trouble for myself. This company is not doing well today either!
My mom was apart of an mlm cult that she thought would create her own business but it was just overconsumption of jewelry that we didnt even sell or use!
Oh my goodness! Im 64 years old and sat at the table of a Mary Kay presentation when I was 17(?) and was told that exact line about the ring finger having no or weak muscles, so use that one to apply your makeup. I'm intelligent but sadly, gullible too. 😅 I can't believe that I believed that. I mean, she wouldn't lie to us, right? Yes, sadly, I am prone to gullibility and that is how these huns get us They pray on our trusting nature.
In the late 90s, I had a friend who was in Mary Kay and never pressured me to join but would periodically bring me to events because she needed a plus one. They always did talk about the ring finger but at the time they just mentioned that it was a weaker finger and would be less likely to accidentally caused damage. That has now morphed into that there is no muscle is crazy to me. And while I would hate to see anyone lose their job, I feel like finding customer information through CVS is such a major violation that I am surprised that they let the hun stay employed
It’s ridiculous to think fingers don’t have muscles. The tendons in your middle and ring finger are connected, so if you put your hand palm down on the table and bend your middle finger under, you can lift your index finger and pinkie, but your ring finger won’t budge. The nerves of the ring finger and pinkie are intertwined, making those somewhat connected, too.
@@kconway2263 That’s so interesting! Of course, I had to try it and you are correct. If I bend my pinkie under, I can’t lift my ring finger although I can lift the other fingers, but bending my ring finger under has no effect-I can lift all the other fingers. Ain’t anatomy cool!
Yes! The MK "weaker ring finger" of the 90's (maybe even 80's?). Even as a teen I thought this sounded hokey. But what did I know? Im surprised they STILL promote this.
Honestly, the Cut Co story is a lesson in how to easily be removed from invites forever. Get invited to a presentation for an MLM? Show up with a raw chicken breast and kitchen shears (any brand) in your pockets and clock how quickly you get asked to leave. Being blacklisted would be worth touching the raw chicken.
I think it's because there was no formal complaint and was probably handled by CVS rather than through a medical entity. They probably didn't write it up as a HIPAA violation so that they wouldn't have to report it to the medical board.
Tech here, we had an employee steal a male patient’s phone number to ask him out. Needless to say, his wife was not happy and the employee is no longer with us.
The CVS pharmacy tech looking up names on Facebook is not a HIPAA violation. It is creepy and possibly violates a CVS policy, but not a HIPAA violation. Names are not considered protected health information (PHI) in and of themselves under HIPAA. If the employee also used treatment or payment information in addition to the name, that would be a HIPAA violation.
As a former Mary Kay consultant, the Mary Kay lady got her stories mixed up, it’s suppose to be said something like, “your eyes show the first signs of aging because there are no muscles here (idk if this is true or not lol) so you want to be sure to use an eye cream, and your ring finger is the best to use to apply eye cream as it is the weakest finger” lol
No one is taking away her job. If a pharmacy tech or anyone else chooses to abuse their position for personal gain, THEY have taken away their own job. Consequences for their own actions.
16:56 I’m so impressed with how this writer handled such an incredibly awkward situation with such grace. I almost want another horror story from the pharmacist’s perspective, since the way they immediately knew who it was makes me think they had previously talked to the Hun about catching her doing this and thought they had put a stop to it, only to get a call like that from a customer.
I can't believe that people would go to extreme lengths and steal CC information so they can rank up in an MLM. I know that many of them sign up even their dog but stealing CC info is crazy.
@@corrinnelepage888 would you say the same for the one who stole credit card info? The consequences of illegal behavior aren't the fault of the person who reports it.
Absolutely this, as someone whos ex-friend was into this kind of job for a long time and genuinely didn't feel any guilt about people under her losing tons of money, some of these people NEED to face harsh consequences to realize they need to leave. "Almost" losing her job and getting scolded really isn't much of a consequence for what is an ACTUAL felony and extreme breach of policy and privacy. Those rules are there for a reason? Like if you get to pick and choose who breaks them how is that fair to other people she may have already turned into victims. Not to mention if she did that so easily and confidently, who's to say she wasn't willing to sell customer information other ways? MC of that story didn't know her, neither did her coworkers obviously. All they knew was she was willing to do that...there's a difference between upholding ethics and safety of customers and wishing ill on someone, she should have lost her job absolutely. Not wishing her harm at all, but she should have to face how big a fuck up that is. People find new jobs all the time, save your sympathy and empathy for the people she likely hurt.
I agree but I also think someone being told the gravity of what they have done and given the chance to rectify behavior is not a bad thing. Some people may not fully understand Hippa and consider reaching out personally not the same as sharing health information with random strangers. I found out the hard way at my job in healthcare I’m not even allowed to look up MY OWN information of it isn’t part of my job. That floored me cause, well I’M ME I already know it. LOL I knew I wasn’t supposed to talk about pt’s to other people, or reach out, make contact or even acknowledge I knew them if I saw them in public but the minutia of HIPPA maybe over someone’s head.
@@cmcoy5982 that's a logical fallacy though -- you can feel sympathy or pity for someone without needing to blame anyone for causing the situation. Even if it was someone's own fault. You see it in movies all the time -- understanding that someone got themselves into a situation, but still feeling for them because you know that they're now in an even tougher spot.
My son just graduated from High School on May 11th. Less than 5 days later he got a letter in the mail from Vector I believe it was. It sounded familiar, so I googled it and was correct about it being about selling cutco. I already talked to him about MLM's so he is aware of them and we shredded the mailing. He got another letter 5 days after the 1st one. We both laughed and shredded it. I am angry how fast this "company" preys on young graduates. I really hope the school did not give out addresses. Being in a small town I bet it is not hard to come by this info. I am also educating my 15 yr old daughter about MLM's, so neither of them will become victims of these scams. I am very glad I found your channel.
Cutco will show up to school job fairs under all sorts of names so they won't know its them till day of. And then ask kids to sign their sheet to spin a wheel or something to get "prizes" I have a pair of scissors and a knife sharpener from 2 different job fairs they were at at my college and I know friends who went to the bigger high school who got stuff from them from their job fair in high school. Cutco is kinda scary.
@alexanderhenby1362 they are crazy and I wish they would go away. Thank God my son has a job that he likes. He now knows what to look for and he can run in the opposite direction.
The pharmacy is definitely a place where you need discretion and trust. I can't believe anyone would think it's okay to conduct ANY business in conjunction with your pharmacy duties! Like my favorite anti-MLMers say.. Would they behave this way if they weren't in an MLM??
The woman stealing the debit card is actually insane to me. I don't think stealing another person's debit card just pops into normal peoples head as a solution to make money. I wouldn't want to be friends with her anymore either..
#3 isn't just gross misconduct, it's a literal federal crime. I work tech that's healthcare adjacent and HIPAA is beat down our throats on a regular basis under threat of having the entire company audited, so I have no doubt CVS has even stricter training on it. There's no way that tech couldn't know.
That second story: I understand being desperate for money but damn, it sounds like she had so many other options and people to help her. She ruined her life for nothing.
The CVS story was WILD!! As a high schooler, I went to a Mary Kay makeover with my mom and using your ring finger for eye cream was definitely part of the lesson! It stuck because I still use my ring fingers for eye cream even though I know logically it doesn’t matter lol
I used to work at a local pharmacy and I can tell you that what she did was NOT a minor transgression. It is a huge issue when pharmacy workers contact customers for any personal reasons. Where I worked had a strict policy that included MLMs! We would have gotten fired! I am now a healthcare worker and can’t even be friends on social media with patients. Crazy!
I mean she was technically correct in saying the ring finger has no muscle, because none of our fingers do. But ring fingers absolutely are attached to muscles in the hand/forearm, unless an abnormality exists.
That's really interesting! I had to look it up and went down a rabbit hole of hand anatomy and why it's so hard to draw. Maybe that's why AI generated art always gets the hands wrong.
I will never forget when I was 18 and didn’t know anything about MLMs I was meeting with an Amway couple that was trying to recruit me and my boyfriend, I ended up blowing them off because I got in a fight with my boyfriend and told them I wasn’t interested out of frustration with them. Looking back at it now I thank god for my angsty impulsive underdeveloped prefrontal cortex for saving me from the mlm nightmare 😂😂😂
Recently my mom and I took a vacation and at one inn we spent a night at, when checking in my mom asked where to get coffee (she is the type who needs 3 cups in the morning), and the guy at the desk said just across the street is a place that has coffee- plus energy teas and nutritional shakes. That instantly pinged to me as MLM-y. Once in our room I looked online as read some google reviews and provided photos. absolutely an MLM, I told my mom my thought/findings and she agreed that she did not want to support an MLM, so we didn't. Thanks for your work!
I don’t think, in this particular case, reporting the pharmacist would drive her further into the MLM. It would have put her in jail for 10 years per charge. What she did is a felony and she absolutely did know better.
this pharmacy story made me so nervous! omg...I cannot even imagine doing this to someone. I am involved in healthcare myself...and the thought of outwardly abusing my privelkage of having this information in front of me, and violating someone's PHI is incomprehensible. im stunned, actually, im sick
I am a nationally and state licensed CPhT and I am speechless on this one. I get occasional mishaps like accidentally telling a patient's wife about their husbands need or something (cause it happened to me and oh boy....I had to sit with corporate and the whole nine. Never again). But THIS.... THIS is beyond my comprehension. Do not pass go, do not collect your last paycheck....FIRED. I have so many thoughts and yet nothing to say. Unbelievable.
I weirdly just learnt this week that none of your fingers have muscles in them! The muscles are all in the hand and they move your fingers via the attached tendons
Omgggg 😂😂😂 I'm not a doctor, but I work in the fitness industry (I know a bit about the muscular system) and skincare is a hobby of mine, so I think I know what that MLM lady was trying to say: Obviously the ring finger has muscles in it 😂 But it's the weakest of all our fingers - our other fingers are larger (therefore stronger) except for the pinkie, which is actually significantly stronger than it's size would indicate. So, when our goal is to be as gentle as possible (roughly tugging/pulling at our skin is never great), it's a good idea to use our ring fingers to apply creams, etc. I think that's what she was trying to get at, but because she didn't understand it properly it came out as nonsense...
but none of the fingers have muscles in them. Movement of the fingers is governed by tendond that link to muscles in your underarm and the palm of your hand.
This unlocked a memory!!!!When I was in middle school I went to my friend “grownup” party her mom hosted. It was about makeup. I hardly remember anything EXCEPT that the makeup woman gushed about our young beauty and how we needed to use our ring finger to apply makeup so not to over press or damage our faces. 😂 must have been Mary Kay.
Wow! I was also told by a Mary Kay rep to use my ring finger for putting makeup on under the eyes. Thankfully she only said it was because that finger was the weakest one.
I’ve been listening to your videos for months now and I love them! Also I switched from Monat hair care to Morracanoil hair care bc of you. I had been using monat hair care since 2020, and my hair & scalp was …. Ok. Better than the drugstore stuff but after watching your videos, I could not keep supporting them. So I switched to moraccanoil hair care and my hair is literally thriving! I will never go back to monat and I try to keep an eye open to not support mom business. Keep up the good work!!❤️
Okay the story in the college dorm was wild! I can just picture this dude pulling raw chicken and knives out of his pockets like a nightmare magician and trying to cut it in his hands! Next would have been: “See how easily it sliced my pinky off, guys? No resistance at all!” 😂
I am a healthcare worker. She used the patient's chart for personal gain. As bad as I feel for her, she should have been fired. That is wrong at every level. Plus, she used company time to trap patients to pitch them.
I was taught the ring finger thing years ago by a non-MLM related makeup artist when I was learning how to wear makeup as a teen. She didn't say that it had no muscle but that you can't apply as much pressure without meaning to with that finger.
The whole claim by Mary Kay reps about using your ring finger has been around for a loooooong time. In the mid-90s, one of my best friends in high school had her sweet 16 party, and her mom's best friend was a Mary Kay rep and did "makeovers" with us at the party. She didn't say anything about a lack of muscles in our ring fingers but did say that those fingers use the least amount of pressure and so are best for applying cream around the eyes. The funny part is that she was having us put cream down our necks but insisted we call our necks "throats" because "chickens have necks, women have throats". I am nearly certain that my other best friend, who's now an MD (and still my friend 30 years later), and I probably communicated with just a look in that moment.
QA chemist here: I can’t confirm or deny anything doterra does because I worked in a medical grade lab, but, we did ask our new hires, especially those just out of college, with little experience (sorry, working in college labs isn’t considered much experience), questions about their lab ethics. We would ask if they would ever go off protocol, why, how they would handle ethical situations etc. this was to weed out anyone who didn’t uphold strict quality standards.
OMG I did a Southwestern Summer back in 1990! It was something else. I didn't know it was MLM, but dang. The deal breaker for me was how one of the "selling points" was that evolution was not in the regular books, and there was a special set for fundamentalist Christian home schooling.
So, my day job is in class action, I'm a legal editor. My specialties are in anti-trust & data breach. Data breach for me often involves HIPPA violations and I have special certifications to handle data breach cases with HIPPA information in them. For each person that RX hun contacted using information from her job, she (and her job) can risk $100 to a max of $25k PER PERSON she violated. It is rare for a single person to hit $25k unless they're selling that information, but just imagine how many people the hun did this too, and if she had to pay $100 per person that could add up fast.
I have so many eps to catch up on! I suddenly remembered an MLM story - a family friend hosted a Mary Kay party at my house back in the mid-90s. Filo party = lots of people. Teenage girls = lots of friends. Representative came in all smiles. Smiles kind of faded when she realised that the 30-odd people were mostly Asian and with darker skin tones, and this was 1995 - yes, it's Mary Kay, but she had a very Caucasian palette with her. She did have the whole kit, and she did have some darker shades, but I recall that the shade she matched for me and a couple of others wasn't quite suitable. I think in the end only six or seven people purchased something small from her (which honestly, was probably still a good day for her! But there were 30 or so people present) and the rest of us younger girls had a bit of fun with free makeup at a house party. I hadn't had a lot of exposure to makeup at that time because I was about 13 and my parents wouldn't let us have makeup (my sister was 16) - but I do remember coming away from that day thinking that makeup wouldn't work for me anyway, because it didn't suit my skin tone even though the magazines made it look pretty.
It's funny because a lot of beauty influencers have said you should apply with ring finger. Not because it has no muscles but because it has less strength. Not sure if true but I've been doing it forever! 🤣😂💕
Memory unlocked, I was in Mary Kay for a little while and I remember being told to use the ring finger to put eye cream on because "It's the weakest finger and would be extra gentle" Thankfully didn't stay long and now Mary Kay is no more in Australia
I remember the ring finger from Mary Kay! I had a couple of college friends who sold Mary Kay and would mention the ring finger was the weakest of the fingers and would not cause wrinkles when applying eye cream lol.
As a nurse, these healthcare workers shilling mlm products is so upsetting. No one should be using their position of power/respect/perceived knowledge in that way. Also HIPPA violations are not minor infractions, they are a big deal. Depending on the situation, you can loose your license, be fined, or even get some jail time.
The CVS pharmacy tech looking up names on Facebook is not a HIPAA violation. It is creepy and possibly violates a CVS policy, but not a HIPAA violation. Names are not considered protected health information (PHI) in and of themselves under HIPAA. If the employee also used treatment or payment information in addition to the name, that would be a HIPAA violation.
OMG the finger thing from the Mary kay party brought back a childhood memory of my mom bringing me to a coworkers house who sold Mary kay. I remember the lady telling us to use our ring finger to apply eye cream. Nothing about the muscle but just because it was smoother and more gentle on the delicate eye area. I was a kid and didn't know about pyramid schemes, so I really took her tips to heart as I grew older! Other tips I remember from that party was to always rub upwards on the face never downwards because it pulls the skin more? And to save money by using rags instead of cotton balls. This was like 30 years ago, lol.
A few weeks ago I watched one of your Influencer insanity episodes that YT brought to my way, and something about you made me watch more. Your style of presenting yourself, I think. Now I've watched/listened to all your MLM top fails and horror stories! MLMs aren't as common here in Finland, but of course we have different kinds of reps here, too. Maybe not as "bad" ones, because we Finns are a bit reserved 😅 It was great to also follow your personal journey, getting married and becoming a parent. I will watch your videos also in the future, keep up the good work. 😊
Uggg, I'm a homeschool mom and got thrown under the bus by a "friend" to SWA, I literally live on a farm in the middle of no where, they never would have stumbled across me. I ended up only buying the encyclopedia for history and still regret it. She sold me on the belief it was a full curriculum, it was not, it is only a resource. We pinch pennies so that I can homeschool, and this caused us to be over budget for curriculum because I still had to buy actual history curriculums for three kids. I warn everyone I see about this MLM and spread the word every time I see they've gotten a soliciting permit from the town.
My understanding is that doTERRA had to change the T in CPTG from therapeutic to tested because therapeutic implies a health claim. Also, my uplines regularly did what is alleged in that story to hit/maintain rank, including placing orders on my account.
South Western Advantage has sales people in my local area a few years ago. I’m in the UK and it’s the first and only time I’ve seen it active locally. It was two very young students from Spain I believe, and they had the photos with the local police on Facebook too. It was just weird, and I wasn’t fully aware of it at the time, but looking back I’m so worried for those two young people (probably 18 or so) being in a different country for the summer, during the height of COVID restrictions. I just hope they were safe and had somewhere to stay during their time here.
My mom signed up for Mary Kay in the late 2000s. She learned the “ring finger tip”. Although, her upstream said it’s the weakest finger, not that there is no muscle.😂
Good for the lab tech for turning down the (alleged) job! Hubby was (allegedly) asked a similar question about being willing to follow corporate orders vs. the LAW!
Oh my goodness! I’m the Caroline from the CVS horror story! Thank you for reading my story and all the support in the comments! I feel so famous!
Wait..your the cvsTechnician? or your the person that was asked if you wanted a job? Was just going to say..mumms the word if you are the Technician
@@Smag-wm4bxshe’s the one who had the tech contact her to try to sell her the makeup.
Your story is horrifying. We trust our pharmacists, our doctors to have our best interests in mind. I hope this hun has quit her MLM, knowing she nearly lost her job. You were right to change CVS, better safe than sorry!
That is nuts. I definitely would have reported her
@@LilithPl3asant my research shows the max fine is $250,000, but that may be for each individual violation. It could be, depending on the judge and the lawyers, she could be charged the maximum fine per patient, potentially adding to over a million.
Hannah, you’d be so proud! My son turned 18 recently so I had the “talk” with him and warned him about “business opportunities” and anyone asking him to join their teams. He said “oh like LulaRoe!” (I was involved in LulaRoe. He’s a pretty smart and intuitive person so I’m not too worried about him getting involved with them.
As a pharmacy technician, I’m floored. I can’t imagine risking my license for an MLM.
Also a tech here, the embarrassment I feel at just the thought of something like this is so bad.
@@JKMama1920 second hand mortification, honestly
“Falsifying lab reports.”
Triggered medical lab scientist in the house. 😜
I suspect that the reason why they didn't interview OP is because of her experience working in a lab. They don't want people with that experience because such a person is a potential whistleblower. She could cause them a lot of trouble.
I mean, if you’re testing for their own recipe for their own certification, it seems that whatever adulterants are present are there on purpose. That’s the beauty of making your own certification; you can fit the test to overlook the the crap you put in on purpose. 😂
Hello fellow triggered lab scientist lol
Saying that during a job interview is CRAZY
Technically, they're right that the ring finger has no muscles... Because none of the fingers have muscles in them. Fingers move using tendons which are connected to the muscles in the forearms! That's why when you wiggle your fingers you can see the tendons in your hand and wrist move.
accurate!
Right but it is true that the connections to the ring finger are SHARED with other fingers, and it doesn't have its own. So it's not entirely untrue.
My husband and I allowed our daughters friend to do a Cut Co demonstration and we ended up buying the scissors. We knew it was an MLM, but our daughter begged us to help him out. We've had the scissors for almost 20 years. They are really good scissors. Every time we use them, we laugh about it!
We have scissors and a few knives. They’re excellent, but man, it was weird buying them! Knowing what I know now, I wouldn’t buy from them again.
Lol when I was in my teens cutco hoodwinked me into selling it and I did make a few sales, I will say the product is good, I still have my starter kit and everything still looks and works like they're brand new, it's been at least 20 yrs if not more. I think if they hadn't made it an MLM company they would have succeeded better
Yeah. Some of these companies sell good products. But the salespeople rarely get fairly compensated which is why I can't support them
My dad bought one of the smaller sets probably 20 years ago. My step sister was dating a guy that was selling cutco. I inherited the set and the scissors are amazing. It's unfortunate it's an MLM which would explain the cost of the products because they are really nice.
Someone should bring Cutco to retail, like as a company. Avon sells at makeup stores they can sell at normal stores.
That pharmacist should have absolutely have been fired. Healthcare workers are under fire in so many ways these days, and while many of the reasons aren’t legit, this one is. This is a gross ethics violation. I’m very shocked CVS let this slide!!!
Wasnt a pharmacist, was a tech.
I am so surprised that CVS hun didn’t get fired. She totally violated HIPAA and those fines can get quite high!
It's HIPAA
Me too. Being fired would probably have driven her further into the clutches of the scheme. I absolutely think she deserved to be fired, but this way it is more likely that she’ll learn from this experience.
It's nice that the customer was kind and understanding about it, but I am genuinely shocked she wasn't fired, too. I like Hannah's take that giving her some grace hopefully kept her from going further down the MLM path, but I wouldn't blame CVS for taking a hard line stance one bit.
It's tough to find techs for retail these days because of how poorly the industry was treated during COVID. Techs are still underpaid (probably why she's in an MLM and attempting to recruit!) and a lot left due to burnout and PTSD. I also assume the pharmacy doesn't want to go through being investigated by the state board for the HIPAA breach. Source: I'm a tech who thankfully no longer works in retail.
Yeah, it’s such an invasion of privacy. I’m a pharmacist and my hospital has a zero tolerance policy with any type of HIPAA violation.
The pharmacy tech one was shocking to me! Im also a pharmacy tech, and the only time I have ever seen a coworker use patient information for anything outside of patient care was when we had one regular patient whose wife passed, the pharmacist used the patient's address to send a beautiful bouquet of flowers as a condolence for his wife passing. Never, ever for personal gain or harassment
Oh, that was truly sweet!
When I was a new mom, I lost my job. My good friend who lived across the street from me was a “business owner” with Monat. She hounded me for months about joining her team, to use a credit card to buy my starter kit, that I’m missing my opportunity to get ahead and support my family by not jumping in. One day I came home to a huge box at my front door. She had bought the most expensive starter kit for me without telling me. I took it over to her, said thanks but no thanks AGAIN, and told her that if we couldn’t squash this subject, we won’t continue to hang out. I hated it! It made me feel so awkward, but it also made me feel like I wasn’t doing the best for my family!
Good for you! I hope she was able to drop it after that. And I kno u prob kno already but you were taking care of your family by not joining. MLM's drain your acct, they make their money off their "associates" buying product, not from the products themselves.
@@leahyvonne1572 thank you for saying that. I STILL have guilt about that time in my life, but that’s what we do as mothers. I’m glad I was smart enough to not make more trouble for myself. This company is not doing well today either!
My mom was apart of an mlm cult that she thought would create her own business but it was just overconsumption of jewelry that we didnt even sell or use!
was it ring bomb lol
Paparazzi or something like that?
Lia Sophia?
Holy cow why are there so many crappy companies
@@lucianavaliente5020 yep :(
Oh my goodness! Im 64 years old and sat at the table of a Mary Kay presentation when I was 17(?) and was told that exact line about the ring finger having no or weak muscles, so use that one to apply your makeup. I'm intelligent but sadly, gullible too. 😅 I can't believe that I believed that. I mean, she wouldn't lie to us, right? Yes, sadly, I am prone to gullibility and that is how these huns get us They pray on our trusting nature.
It isn't entirely wrong. It doesn't have ITS OWN muscle, but it just uses the ones for the other fingers haha.
In the late 90s, I had a friend who was in Mary Kay and never pressured me to join but would periodically bring me to events because she needed a plus one. They always did talk about the ring finger but at the time they just mentioned that it was a weaker finger and would be less likely to accidentally caused damage. That has now morphed into that there is no muscle is crazy to me.
And while I would hate to see anyone lose their job, I feel like finding customer information through CVS is such a major violation that I am surprised that they let the hun stay employed
It’s ridiculous to think fingers don’t have muscles. The tendons in your middle and ring finger are connected, so if you put your hand palm down on the table and bend your middle finger under, you can lift your index finger and pinkie, but your ring finger won’t budge. The nerves of the ring finger and pinkie are intertwined, making those somewhat connected, too.
@@kconway2263 Yeah but those are tendons, not muscles though? It's a different tissue.
@@kconway2263 That’s so interesting! Of course, I had to try it and you are correct. If I bend my pinkie under, I can’t lift my ring finger although I can lift the other fingers, but bending my ring finger under has no effect-I can lift all the other fingers. Ain’t anatomy cool!
Yes! The MK "weaker ring finger" of the 90's (maybe even 80's?). Even as a teen I thought this sounded hokey. But what did I know? Im surprised they STILL promote this.
I was laughing because my Nana JUST told me abt the ring finger thing a few months ago (I’ve grown up around Mk because of my mom)
I'm finally caught up on the anti-MLM playlist. Now I don't know what to listen to on the daily...
Just listen to it again!
Same!
You've gotta start all over relistening to them like the rest of us!😂
same for me 😂
Same here
Honestly, the Cut Co story is a lesson in how to easily be removed from invites forever. Get invited to a presentation for an MLM? Show up with a raw chicken breast and kitchen shears (any brand) in your pockets and clock how quickly you get asked to leave. Being blacklisted would be worth touching the raw chicken.
LOL
That pharmacy tech is lucky to have kept her job. Usually you don’t get second chances with a HIPAA violation.
I think it's because there was no formal complaint and was probably handled by CVS rather than through a medical entity. They probably didn't write it up as a HIPAA violation so that they wouldn't have to report it to the medical board.
Right, that was not a “minor transgression” in the medical world. It was a major transgression.
That’s not even addressing the selling of, in this case, non-cvs products on company time.
Tech here, we had an employee steal a male patient’s phone number to ask him out. Needless to say, his wife was not happy and the employee is no longer with us.
The CVS pharmacy tech looking up names on Facebook is not a HIPAA violation. It is creepy and possibly violates a CVS policy, but not a HIPAA violation. Names are not considered protected health information (PHI) in and of themselves under HIPAA. If the employee also used treatment or payment information in addition to the name, that would be a HIPAA violation.
As a former Mary Kay consultant, the Mary Kay lady got her stories mixed up, it’s suppose to be said something like, “your eyes show the first signs of aging because there are no muscles here (idk if this is true or not lol) so you want to be sure to use an eye cream, and your ring finger is the best to use to apply eye cream as it is the weakest finger” lol
No one is taking away her job. If a pharmacy tech or anyone else chooses to abuse their position for personal gain, THEY have taken away their own job. Consequences for their own actions.
100%
YAS. They knew it. And also, while feeling sorry for themselves they had no problem with putting others into the same scheme situation.
Exactly! Actions have consequences and they made the choice of their actions!
I had a social worker pitch being a norwex rep during a call for government food assistance. It’s something that’s turned my stomach for years.
I beg you pardon? She was selling a scam to someone who litterally couldn't afford food? I'm so sorry it happened to you and hope you do better now.
As a pharmacy technician, that is a huge no no and I would have reported her. It is absolutely a Hipaa violation.
The highway mentioned in story 1 is I-15. I’m a UT resident and I too play the game of “is that company an mlm?” When driving along it 😂
16:56 I’m so impressed with how this writer handled such an incredibly awkward situation with such grace. I almost want another horror story from the pharmacist’s perspective, since the way they immediately knew who it was makes me think they had previously talked to the Hun about catching her doing this and thought they had put a stop to it, only to get a call like that from a customer.
I can't believe that people would go to extreme lengths and steal CC information so they can rank up in an MLM. I know that many of them sign up even their dog but stealing CC info is crazy.
Yeah and how does a dog have an SSN? LOL
What are doing with the products that they buy under their dog's name?
Let's not feel bad for people losing their jobs when they are violating the law and ruining other people's lives.
I get your sentiment, but making desperate people more desperate is often not productive in helping them change their behaviour
@@corrinnelepage888 would you say the same for the one who stole credit card info? The consequences of illegal behavior aren't the fault of the person who reports it.
Absolutely this, as someone whos ex-friend was into this kind of job for a long time and genuinely didn't feel any guilt about people under her losing tons of money, some of these people NEED to face harsh consequences to realize they need to leave. "Almost" losing her job and getting scolded really isn't much of a consequence for what is an ACTUAL felony and extreme breach of policy and privacy. Those rules are there for a reason? Like if you get to pick and choose who breaks them how is that fair to other people she may have already turned into victims. Not to mention if she did that so easily and confidently, who's to say she wasn't willing to sell customer information other ways? MC of that story didn't know her, neither did her coworkers obviously. All they knew was she was willing to do that...there's a difference between upholding ethics and safety of customers and wishing ill on someone, she should have lost her job absolutely. Not wishing her harm at all, but she should have to face how big a fuck up that is. People find new jobs all the time, save your sympathy and empathy for the people she likely hurt.
I agree but I also think someone being told the gravity of what they have done and given the chance to rectify behavior is not a bad thing. Some people may not fully understand Hippa and consider reaching out personally not the same as sharing health information with random strangers. I found out the hard way at my job in healthcare I’m not even allowed to look up MY OWN information of it isn’t part of my job. That floored me cause, well I’M ME I already know it. LOL I knew I wasn’t supposed to talk about pt’s to other people, or reach out, make contact or even acknowledge I knew them if I saw them in public but the minutia of HIPPA maybe over someone’s head.
@@cmcoy5982 that's a logical fallacy though -- you can feel sympathy or pity for someone without needing to blame anyone for causing the situation. Even if it was someone's own fault. You see it in movies all the time -- understanding that someone got themselves into a situation, but still feeling for them because you know that they're now in an even tougher spot.
I clicked so fast! I’m driving to Kansas City today and this will be perfect for my 3 hour drive!! Thanks Hannah!!
Drive safe! 🚘
My son just graduated from High School on May 11th. Less than 5 days later he got a letter in the mail from Vector I believe it was. It sounded familiar, so I googled it and was correct about it being about selling cutco. I already talked to him about MLM's so he is aware of them and we shredded the mailing. He got another letter 5 days after the 1st one. We both laughed and shredded it. I am angry how fast this "company" preys on young graduates. I really hope the school did not give out addresses. Being in a small town I bet it is not hard to come by this info. I am also educating my 15 yr old daughter about MLM's, so neither of them will become victims of these scams. I am very glad I found your channel.
Cutco will show up to school job fairs under all sorts of names so they won't know its them till day of. And then ask kids to sign their sheet to spin a wheel or something to get "prizes"
I have a pair of scissors and a knife sharpener from 2 different job fairs they were at at my college and I know friends who went to the bigger high school who got stuff from them from their job fair in high school. Cutco is kinda scary.
@alexanderhenby1362 they are crazy and I wish they would go away. Thank God my son has a job that he likes. He now knows what to look for and he can run in the opposite direction.
That CVS Hun is absolutely wild
That CVS story is WILD!!!! I was floored!
The pharmacy is definitely a place where you need discretion and trust. I can't believe anyone would think it's okay to conduct ANY business in conjunction with your pharmacy duties! Like my favorite anti-MLMers say.. Would they behave this way if they weren't in an MLM??
The woman stealing the debit card is actually insane to me. I don't think stealing another person's debit card just pops into normal peoples head as a solution to make money. I wouldn't want to be friends with her anymore either..
This is perfect to listen to in a massage chair!
19:24 There are no muscles in any of your fingers! Your fingers are controlled by the tendons in your hands and arms. Pretty cool!
Wow, I would’ve reported that CVS immediately. Drive right from the drive through back into the store, directly to the pharmacy manager
#3 isn't just gross misconduct, it's a literal federal crime. I work tech that's healthcare adjacent and HIPAA is beat down our throats on a regular basis under threat of having the entire company audited, so I have no doubt CVS has even stricter training on it. There's no way that tech couldn't know.
Congratulations! I don’t know how you consistently produce such horrifying and entertaining story content, but keep up the good work!
That second story: I understand being desperate for money but damn, it sounds like she had so many other options and people to help her. She ruined her life for nothing.
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The CVS story was WILD!!
As a high schooler, I went to a Mary Kay makeover with my mom and using your ring finger for eye cream was definitely part of the lesson! It stuck because I still use my ring fingers for eye cream even though I know logically it doesn’t matter lol
I used to work at a local pharmacy and I can tell you that what she did was NOT a minor transgression. It is a huge issue when pharmacy workers contact customers for any personal reasons. Where I worked had a strict policy that included MLMs! We would have gotten fired! I am now a healthcare worker and can’t even be friends on social media with patients. Crazy!
HANNAH! 319k subs?! Absolutely wild- congratulations
I mean she was technically correct in saying the ring finger has no muscle, because none of our fingers do. But ring fingers absolutely are attached to muscles in the hand/forearm, unless an abnormality exists.
That's really interesting! I had to look it up and went down a rabbit hole of hand anatomy and why it's so hard to draw. Maybe that's why AI generated art always gets the hands wrong.
I am crying and obsessed with the Cutco story. I wish I was there with them to watch it go down.
I will never forget when I was 18 and didn’t know anything about MLMs I was meeting with an Amway couple that was trying to recruit me and my boyfriend, I ended up blowing them off because I got in a fight with my boyfriend and told them I wasn’t interested out of frustration with them. Looking back at it now I thank god for my angsty impulsive underdeveloped prefrontal cortex for saving me from the mlm nightmare 😂😂😂
Recently my mom and I took a vacation and at one inn we spent a night at, when checking in my mom asked where to get coffee (she is the type who needs 3 cups in the morning), and the guy at the desk said just across the street is a place that has coffee- plus energy teas and nutritional shakes. That instantly pinged to me as MLM-y. Once in our room I looked online as read some google reviews and provided photos. absolutely an MLM, I told my mom my thought/findings and she agreed that she did not want to support an MLM, so we didn't. Thanks for your work!
I don’t think, in this particular case, reporting the pharmacist would drive her further into the MLM. It would have put her in jail for 10 years per charge. What she did is a felony and she absolutely did know better.
MLM horror stories along with MLM deep dives are my favorite videos ever ❤
this pharmacy story made me so nervous! omg...I cannot even imagine doing this to someone. I am involved in healthcare myself...and the thought of outwardly abusing my privelkage of having this information in front of me, and violating someone's PHI is incomprehensible. im stunned, actually, im sick
I am a nationally and state licensed CPhT and I am speechless on this one. I get occasional mishaps like accidentally telling a patient's wife about their husbands need or something (cause it happened to me and oh boy....I had to sit with corporate and the whole nine. Never again). But THIS.... THIS is beyond my comprehension. Do not pass go, do not collect your last paycheck....FIRED. I have so many thoughts and yet nothing to say. Unbelievable.
That was such a good mix of fun and horrifying stories - thanks for the entertainment! 😅
The pharmacist one is horrifying! How Violating! 😬
I weirdly just learnt this week that none of your fingers have muscles in them! The muscles are all in the hand and they move your fingers via the attached tendons
As a CVS employee, I am angry and embarrassed that this happened.
Omgggg 😂😂😂
I'm not a doctor, but I work in the fitness industry (I know a bit about the muscular system) and skincare is a hobby of mine, so I think I know what that MLM lady was trying to say:
Obviously the ring finger has muscles in it 😂 But it's the weakest of all our fingers - our other fingers are larger (therefore stronger) except for the pinkie, which is actually significantly stronger than it's size would indicate. So, when our goal is to be as gentle as possible (roughly tugging/pulling at our skin is never great), it's a good idea to use our ring fingers to apply creams, etc.
I think that's what she was trying to get at, but because she didn't understand it properly it came out as nonsense...
but none of the fingers have muscles in them. Movement of the fingers is governed by tendond that link to muscles in your underarm and the palm of your hand.
This unlocked a memory!!!!When I was in middle school I went to my friend “grownup” party her mom hosted. It was about makeup. I hardly remember anything EXCEPT that the makeup woman gushed about our young beauty and how we needed to use our ring finger to apply makeup so not to over press or damage our faces. 😂 must have been Mary Kay.
I heard the Mary Kay ring finger tip at a party in 1984, so it's been around 40 years.
I think this was the best cutco pitch I have ever heard about and was laughing so hard listening to this.
Miss Hannah getting distracted by her hands is the most wholesome thing I've seen all day
19:52 lol Finally got there, cause your comment was confusing until I did. 😆😆🤣🤣😂
Wow! I was also told by a Mary Kay rep to use my ring finger for putting makeup on under the eyes. Thankfully she only said it was because that finger was the weakest one.
Several kettles worth of tea in that first story alone omg 😯
This was one of the best horror story episodes yet!
You are just so pleasant to listen to. I watch your videos while I work. Thank you for your videos.
I’ve been listening to your videos for months now and I love them! Also I switched from Monat hair care to Morracanoil hair care bc of you. I had been using monat hair care since 2020, and my hair & scalp was …. Ok. Better than the drugstore stuff but after watching your videos, I could not keep supporting them. So I switched to moraccanoil hair care and my hair is literally thriving! I will never go back to monat and I try to keep an eye open to not support mom business. Keep up the good work!!❤️
Okay the story in the college dorm was wild! I can just picture this dude pulling raw chicken and knives out of his pockets like a nightmare magician and trying to cut it in his hands! Next would have been:
“See how easily it sliced my pinky off, guys? No resistance at all!” 😂
Wow number 90! Holy smokes, I've been here since like horror story number 5.
I am a healthcare worker. She used the patient's chart for personal gain. As bad as I feel for her, she should have been fired. That is wrong at every level. Plus, she used company time to trap patients to pitch them.
It always makes my day when I see a new video posted 🥰
the actual audacity of MLM huns to solicit customers while working at the CVS pharmacy counter!
I look forward to Mondays because i get a Hannah Alonzo video to watch during lunch!
I was taught the ring finger thing years ago by a non-MLM related makeup artist when I was learning how to wear makeup as a teen. She didn't say that it had no muscle but that you can't apply as much pressure without meaning to with that finger.
The whole claim by Mary Kay reps about using your ring finger has been around for a loooooong time. In the mid-90s, one of my best friends in high school had her sweet 16 party, and her mom's best friend was a Mary Kay rep and did "makeovers" with us at the party. She didn't say anything about a lack of muscles in our ring fingers but did say that those fingers use the least amount of pressure and so are best for applying cream around the eyes. The funny part is that she was having us put cream down our necks but insisted we call our necks "throats" because "chickens have necks, women have throats". I am nearly certain that my other best friend, who's now an MD (and still my friend 30 years later), and I probably communicated with just a look in that moment.
QA chemist here: I can’t confirm or deny anything doterra does because I worked in a medical grade lab, but, we did ask our new hires, especially those just out of college, with little experience (sorry, working in college labs isn’t considered much experience), questions about their lab ethics. We would ask if they would ever go off protocol, why, how they would handle ethical situations etc. this was to weed out anyone who didn’t uphold strict quality standards.
I’ve missed these!! Also, I can tell that I love love looooove your blouse, even just by the sleeves and neckline I can see!
I’ve been to Mary Kay pitches where they say that same thing about using your ring finger! What a wild thing they’re teaching those reps. 😂
OMG I did a Southwestern Summer back in 1990! It was something else. I didn't know it was MLM, but dang.
The deal breaker for me was how one of the "selling points" was that evolution was not in the regular books, and there was a special set for fundamentalist Christian home schooling.
So, my day job is in class action, I'm a legal editor. My specialties are in anti-trust & data breach. Data breach for me often involves HIPPA violations and I have special certifications to handle data breach cases with HIPPA information in them. For each person that RX hun contacted using information from her job, she (and her job) can risk $100 to a max of $25k PER PERSON she violated. It is rare for a single person to hit $25k unless they're selling that information, but just imagine how many people the hun did this too, and if she had to pay $100 per person that could add up fast.
The CVS....that's such a HIPAA violation I hope it was reported.
This is off topic but you radiate light and peace! Love your channel, new subscriber here (couple months now). Keep up the good work Hannah!
I have so many eps to catch up on! I suddenly remembered an MLM story - a family friend hosted a Mary Kay party at my house back in the mid-90s. Filo party = lots of people. Teenage girls = lots of friends. Representative came in all smiles. Smiles kind of faded when she realised that the 30-odd people were mostly Asian and with darker skin tones, and this was 1995 - yes, it's Mary Kay, but she had a very Caucasian palette with her. She did have the whole kit, and she did have some darker shades, but I recall that the shade she matched for me and a couple of others wasn't quite suitable. I think in the end only six or seven people purchased something small from her (which honestly, was probably still a good day for her! But there were 30 or so people present) and the rest of us younger girls had a bit of fun with free makeup at a house party.
I hadn't had a lot of exposure to makeup at that time because I was about 13 and my parents wouldn't let us have makeup (my sister was 16) - but I do remember coming away from that day thinking that makeup wouldn't work for me anyway, because it didn't suit my skin tone even though the magazines made it look pretty.
The moment the chicken breast was brought up, I thought for sure it would be a Norwex pitch.
It's funny because a lot of beauty influencers have said you should apply with ring finger. Not because it has no muscles but because it has less strength. Not sure if true but I've been doing it forever! 🤣😂💕
Memory unlocked, I was in Mary Kay for a little while and I remember being told to use the ring finger to put eye cream on because "It's the weakest finger and would be extra gentle" Thankfully didn't stay long and now Mary Kay is no more in Australia
"only finger without a muscle" - this sounds like some Gilderoy Lockhart magic here
I remember the ring finger from Mary Kay! I had a couple of college friends who sold Mary Kay and would mention the ring finger was the weakest of the fingers and would not cause wrinkles when applying eye cream lol.
I am so glad the person in story 3 reported the pharmacy employee!!
As a nurse, these healthcare workers shilling mlm products is so upsetting. No one should be using their position of power/respect/perceived knowledge in that way. Also HIPPA violations are not minor infractions, they are a big deal. Depending on the situation, you can loose your license, be fined, or even get some jail time.
The southwestern advantage story was fascinating after your top fails installment featuring those police PSAs.
I wonder if that CVS hun has any idea how lucky she was - HIPAA is no joke and OP could’ve absolutely called for her head.
The CVS pharmacy tech looking up names on Facebook is not a HIPAA violation. It is creepy and possibly violates a CVS policy, but not a HIPAA violation. Names are not considered protected health information (PHI) in and of themselves under HIPAA. If the employee also used treatment or payment information in addition to the name, that would be a HIPAA violation.
OMG the finger thing from the Mary kay party brought back a childhood memory of my mom bringing me to a coworkers house who sold Mary kay. I remember the lady telling us to use our ring finger to apply eye cream. Nothing about the muscle but just because it was smoother and more gentle on the delicate eye area. I was a kid and didn't know about pyramid schemes, so I really took her tips to heart as I grew older! Other tips I remember from that party was to always rub upwards on the face never downwards because it pulls the skin more? And to save money by using rags instead of cotton balls. This was like 30 years ago, lol.
A few weeks ago I watched one of your Influencer insanity episodes that YT brought to my way, and something about you made me watch more. Your style of presenting yourself, I think. Now I've watched/listened to all your MLM top fails and horror stories! MLMs aren't as common here in Finland, but of course we have different kinds of reps here, too. Maybe not as "bad" ones, because we Finns are a bit reserved 😅
It was great to also follow your personal journey, getting married and becoming a parent.
I will watch your videos also in the future, keep up the good work. 😊
Honestly the Collin guy is a legend! 😂
I remember once I worked at an Imaging Center, and a mammogram tech there got fired for offering essential oils to patients
These vids are the best❤ thank you for spreading awareness abt MLMs so people don’t get dragged into them
Uggg, I'm a homeschool mom and got thrown under the bus by a "friend" to SWA, I literally live on a farm in the middle of no where, they never would have stumbled across me. I ended up only buying the encyclopedia for history and still regret it. She sold me on the belief it was a full curriculum, it was not, it is only a resource. We pinch pennies so that I can homeschool, and this caused us to be over budget for curriculum because I still had to buy actual history curriculums for three kids. I warn everyone I see about this MLM and spread the word every time I see they've gotten a soliciting permit from the town.
I once had a friend that was into Mary Kay, and she did say to me the same thing about the ring finger 😂😭 They really do theach them bs!!
My understanding is that doTERRA had to change the T in CPTG from therapeutic to tested because therapeutic implies a health claim. Also, my uplines regularly did what is alleged in that story to hit/maintain rank, including placing orders on my account.
LOL I love the reiteration of your disclaimer during the middle of that first story. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly!! 😅
South Western Advantage has sales people in my local area a few years ago. I’m in the UK and it’s the first and only time I’ve seen it active locally. It was two very young students from Spain I believe, and they had the photos with the local police on Facebook too. It was just weird, and I wasn’t fully aware of it at the time, but looking back I’m so worried for those two young people (probably 18 or so) being in a different country for the summer, during the height of COVID restrictions. I just hope they were safe and had somewhere to stay during their time here.
My mom signed up for Mary Kay in the late 2000s. She learned the “ring finger tip”. Although, her upstream said it’s the weakest finger, not that there is no muscle.😂
Lol, the part about their products meeting the standards they set makes me laugh
I saw a Mary Kay pink SUV out in the wild yesterday!
There is actually one of those monstrosities in my small town!🇨🇦
I just found my new favorite channel. I am officially subscribed.
Good for the lab tech for turning down the (alleged) job! Hubby was (allegedly) asked a similar question about being willing to follow corporate orders vs. the LAW!