MLM HORROR STORIES #32 | Selling Isogenix to young athletes
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As someone in HR for over 15 years, I can concur that any MLM "work experience" is not considered actual experience. And if you are applying for a skilled position, it will actually hurt your chances.
Can confirm!!! I was an IT recruiter and now do Talent Acquisition (recruiting recruiters lolol) at a Fortune 500 company. Resumes mentioning anything MLM related don’t hold much if any weight
Oh!!! Why so?
@@fraumdI think Hannah mentioned it in this video (or maybe a previous one?), but basically, if you’re in an MLM for a long time, it shows that you don’t know how to balance checkbooks, you don’t have a good sense of spending, and you don’t make good financial choices. Since MLMs usually make people lose money, it means you most likely spent many years losing money.
"Sometimes that happens when we don't take care of ourselves" - that is the worst thing I've ever heard someone say to a pregnant person. After a miscarriage a person is usually already feeling guilty thinking it was caused by something they did. This is why the first thing a medical professional typically says is "this wasn't your fault." To outright insinuate that her miscarriage had anything to do with her eating patterns or weight is so terrible. I can't even fully express how angry that made me.
The OP definitely handled it better than I would have. Besides blasting those screenshots all over social media, I probably would have done something to get me thrown in jail. Hats off to the soon-to-be mama (again) with way more class than I possess.
My jaw literally dropped when she read that part. What an awful, awful thing to say to somebody!
@@angieemm you and me both. I was so angry that I had to pause and walk away just from hearing the story.
As far as I'm aware, it's more uncommon for women to not experience miscarriage at some point than to do.
@@leahpetrova2942 that’s exactly right. It’s actually really common to have early term miscarriages and have no idea because it just seems like a heavy period.
As a supervisor for >25 years, MLMs listed on resumes were definitely a red flag for a number of reasons:
1. Participation in an MLM can indicate poor judgement
2. Participation in an MLM can mean that the applicant has wasted time when they could have been doing better things to advance their career in our field
3. There is a risk that an applicant currently involved in an MLM will bring that crap into our office and pester co-workers and our clients
We didn't deal with financial issues, so unlike the horror story in this episode, it wasn't an automatic trip to the circular file, but seeing that on a resume would make me rate the resume lower than I might have otherwise.
Definitely worth asking in the interview of their experience. If they can show that they now know the problems and want a better life away from MLM then they could be a good employee. (I'm doing interviews on Tuesday for a new colleague).
@@eloisepharmacist Oh, definitely that!
Excellent summary! I was waiting for someone to mention the possibility of the applicant bringing the MLM into the office. The drama!
They’re also participants in scamming people out of a lot of money 💴. MLMs are simply pyramid schemes and are notorious for lying and deceiving people
these are all good points. i hope this kind of information gets disseminated to high school and college students.
I was in Monat for 3.5 years and left earlier this year. I am now polishing up my resume for other sales opportunities and so happy I found this because I was going to put that I was in sales for Monat for that many years. Luckily I was also a part time jewelry designer during my Monat years (currently still am) so I'll emphasize those skills over the ones I learned in my MLM experience. Thanks for the insight! Also wanted to share that my son has watched my highs and lows in Monat. He is 12 and now hears me playing your videos and fully understands why I left. And he even tells me that he loves how I'm not spending so many late night hours on Zoom meetings and how I'm not stressing over end of month goals anymore. This last holiday weekend was our first memorial day weekend in a long time where we actually got to relax together.
I'm so proud of you. Thank you for sharing ☺️
I actually feel as though being in an MLM is WORSE than having a gap/unemployment in your resume for exactly the reasons they listed. Shows a lack of critical thinking skills, irresponsible, etc. I think an employer would rather have someone who “took a few years off” than someone who was in a pyramid scheme.
Ooh isagenix unlocks some memories- a local it works team moved over to them and their tag line was “It actually works!” The shade 😂
As an ED survivor, my heart both breaks and goes out to the mother targeted by huns due to her trauma and body. So beyond messed up. Sending her love ❤️❤️❤️
I'm still working on my horror story email, but I grew up with my parents in Amway. And I was TOTALLY groomed into wanting to be in "the business" and wanted to sign up as soon as I turned 16 (which was allowed if we had someone over 18 signed up with us). It sickens me looking back.
Something similar happened to me as well. Fortunately I found out they sell in China before I dive into it. Too this day amway is my biggest company disappointment, because I did love their products and they were quite affordable, in my country at least.
Also the hiring manager would have to consider the possibility that the candidate would join another mlm or still in their mlm. I wouldn't want to bring that energy into my office.
All I would be thinking is 'will I spend the next X weeks being informed by my staff that Sarah's harassing them to join her pyramid scheme and they're uncomfy?'.
A friend told me about how she got this GREAT job in a dental office. It was really a job she actually liked going to. ... but in a few weeks, she was apparently pressured into joining into meetings for "increasing teamwork" because "they're like a FAMILY in that office!" When she wouldn't go, there were passive-aggressive pressures. Finally, she told me that she was worried because the job market is REALLY tight here and when the next job calls her reference for her LAST job, they can't say more than a person did/didn't work there... but the verbal tone of that is enough to make or break your next job. She had kids to pay for, on top of just herself. If she didn't start going to these after-work get-togethers, they might cut her hours or fire her for "poor performance." I'm in a right-to-work state. You can basically do anything here if you're an employer (or a landlord.)
Scientology. It was Scientology. They wanted her to join Scientology and hand over her paycheques to them, essentially keeping her perpetually broke so she'd rely on other Scientologists to support her and her kids. So they'd join Scientology, too, seeing the 'outside world' as harsh and proof that Scientology is Good and Nice. And if they're bad or things don't happen how anyone wants, it's because they weren't Really believers or they aren't working hard enough.
Cult tactics are extremely similar to MLMs. The person who's in one doesn't even CONSIDER that what they're doing is predatory, once they're past a certain point.
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But people need to give these people another chance. Otherwise they won't leave the MLM or start with a new one.
And good luck finding a job with a big gap in your resume... Just ask people if they are still in the business. That should be enough.
@@JuMiKu nobody said they should not get a second chance but when I as a recruiter see an MLM added to a resume I will refuse the candidate. The fact they put it on there shows they do consider it real valid experience and/or signals to me they have not left it behind entirely 🤷🏻♀️ most people searching a job after MLM did not only do the MLM for years. Few people make enough to not do anything else on the side. So to not have a gap leave out the mlm and put the other thing on instead. Even raising kids is valid and for me does not count as a gap as the person was actually working hard
Regarding resumes (not MLM related): I use to have to go through applicant resumes for a very large Canadian insurance company. I wad told, "the second you find a spelling or grammar error, toss it." QUADRUPLE CHECK YOUR SPELLING AND GRAMMAR! Good companies are very picky about resumes.
Good advice. Also have someone else read it - my wife has caught mistakes on presentations after I’ve gone over them already 😬
@@JamesQMurphy Super good advice, it’s always good to have someone else proof-read stuff because a lot of times our brains just skip over some errors for whatever weird reason. I’m the unofficial proof-reader for a lot of my friends 😅
Nutritionists technically don't need to have any qualifications to call themselves as such:
"Depending on the state in which you practice, you can call yourself a nutritionist without any formal nutrition education, training, licensing or certification, but it’s illegal to call yourself a dietitian without proper credentialing."
Thank you for sharing this information. It just reminded me of a "Nutritionist" (I was impressed with his title. I thought he went through addition education.) who I used to work with. I found him to be a creep so I wouldn't talk with him outside of business. He was "helping" people I work with lose weight (they never really did). He was pushing supplements and I thought at the time they were sold at GNC. Now I'm sure it was a MLM.
That explains the "nutritionist" I saw on campus when I was in college. She just made things worse!
Yep! I came here to say this. I can say I'm a nutritionist. You can. Hannah can. We're all nutritionists.
social worker and social service worker is similar to dietician and nutritionist
as someone who has lost a baby myself, if I EVER get a message like that, I will post screenshots of it on every social media possible with the MLM hun tagged so everyone can see what a trash person they are. absolutely not. that makes me furious and my heart goes out to the lady in the story. I pray all is going well with her pregnancy ❤️
omg this video made me call my mom & check in on her pro-mlm status & it's been years of discussions, but she's unofficially anti-mlm!! a prior member of amway and long time supporter of all friends in schemes, she finally sees how predatory they are and searches for alternative products to the ones she used to source from mlms.
I missed out on a job promotion because an applicant off the street was hired because she had sales experience and I didn't. Eventually I found out her sales experience was Avon!!!
( I do know her aunt worked for the company so that was probably the real reason she was chosen over me)
Nepotism sucks, sorry that happened.
My aunt is very into MLMs, and I was at lunch with my my aunts, mom & grandma when she said something about a new weight loss product she found and I was like “I swear if this is an MLM, I will lay it all out right the heck now” and she looked at me very hatefully!! She’s always tried to get my mom and their sisters into MLMs when the only reason SHE is able to do that stuff is bc she hasn’t had to work a day since she married a multimillionaire 25 years ago. Especially the weight loss ones bc she’s had 3 weight loss surgeries sooooooo……….. I also lived with her for a few weeks before I was placed into a group home (bc she couldn’t “handle me” aka the oils weren’t working lol), and she tried to use Young Living to heal my mental health issues…and sent me away when I wasn’t getting better. She kept my sister. We were separated for years
Edit: turned out to not be an MLM so all that happened was a mean look 😂
Your aunt is such a vile human being. The fact you're kind enough to grace her with your presence shows your strong moral character (something you didn't pick up from her). Your story shows how devastatingly destructive MLMs are. What makes the story worse is she didn't need the money. Keep up your anti-MLM ways, it might save your mom and grandma from this predatory business model.
I'm so sorry she put you in a group home when it sounds like it wasn't warranted! :(
ugh I hate oils huns especially when they use them on kids!! so sorry that happened to you
@@schrdngrskat3847 it could’ve been warranted depending on how you look at it…she said I was negatively influencing her own kids but she knew about the mental health before I went to live with her. That’s what makes me the most mad 😂 it’s like she really thought some Theives would cure me lol. If I would’ve been sent to a home to begin with, then i would’ve understood that I just needed extra help. But I wasn’t ): lots of false hope just to try to affirm her beliefs in an MLM. sorry for the rant 😂 feels good to talk about this w people who get how awful MLMs truly are
I don't know why I never saw your reply until now, sorry! It sucks that you didn't get the type of help you needed earlier on, and I hope you're doing better now! ❤️
I would report that optometrist so fast even she wouldn't see it coming.
OMG, my optometrist ALSO tried to pitch her MLM. Only hers was Rodan and Fields. She noticed my acne and took that as an opportunity to pitch her products. Thankfully, she wasn't pushy when I said no, I already had products that were helping.
Is that even ethical? Is there a board or something that you can complain to about it? Like, if I were the lady in the story, I'd be mad that I had to go find a new optometrist after that, because I wouldn't trust them at all at that point.
What does acne have to do with eyes? Lol. I would report that to her licensing board - she is in a position of power as a doctor and shouldn't use that power dynamic to push her MLM.
Thank you for the trigger warning and also the comments about story 4. I'm TTC after a miscarriage and am terrified of having to go through that again. Didn't want to hear about an abusive person trying to use that traumatic experience to make sales. 😢
Re: MLMs on resumes
Like you said in the video, if someone gets caught in an MLM for a lengthy period of time but eventually gets out, they now have a gap on their resume.
So that person now has to decide between:
a) Having a big gap on their resume, which will likely to be a major red flag for employers and could lead to some hiring managers throwing their resume in the trash
OR
b) Listing their MLM experience, which could also be a major red flag for employers and could lead to some hiring mangers throwing their resume in the trash.
For that reason, I'm not a fan of the whole "if I see an MLM on a resume, it automatically goes in the trash" thing.
Yes, if there's no end date on the listing or the listing claims that they were a "CEO" or "business owner" or uses the MLM's weird language, that's definitely a red flag! But if there's a clear end date and the person isn't misrepresenting what they did in the MLM, I think it's worth keeping that person in consideration and asking about their MLM experience at the interview.
At the end of the day, we all want people in MLMs to get out of them, right? If so, ex-distributors need to be able to find employment outside of the MLM world. Automatically throwing their resumes in the trash just because they list their MLM experience isn't going to accomplish that.
I think it's more normal these days to have gaps in the resume. If asked, people can just say "worked on myself" and it wouldn't be wrong.
Yesss! I was just about to sit down and draw, now I have something infuriating/interesting/hilarious to listen to! 😄 let’s go!!
I'd add devastating and demoralizing (sometimes these stories make me lose faith in humanity) too. I know the pregnant woman's story was infuriating. But as a woman who always wanted a child and my body wouldn't cooperate, I feel so desperately sad for her. I don't even know her and I feel this way. Apparently a friend cared more about selling a product than being a decent human being.
SAME
Yes I love listening to these while painting!
there's no way in hell I would ever allow my 12 year old daughter to count her calories because she gained a bit of weight that was completely normal for puberty.
My kids are climbers, and there's a girl on their team who weighs a little more, and the trainers think they have the right to not just comment on that, but actually put a little girl on a scale every other day and try to control how much she loses. We switched teams immediately. It's abusive for a trainer to tell a little girl how much she's supposed to weight, and parents who hear that and then get their child on an app that tracks all their calories and everything they eat are disgusting.
Thank you for doing Isagenix! My grandparents were in that company for almost 20 years before jumping to a new, younger MLM. It’s hard to listen to them talk about it and being anti-MLM at the same time. To save arguing, we just don’t talk about it. Thank you for all that you do!
Wow these just keep getting more wild! I’m so angry for the story about the pregnant woman, and I really hope she updates you on how she’s doing. I also hope she knows that she’s absolutely a bad ass to fight so hard against her ED for a healthy pregnancy and to be there for her older daughter too. I think she’s amazing and I hope she knows we are all pulling for her💞
I hope she sees how many people were touched by her story. That so many of Hannah's viewers are sending her positive vibes. There is a supportive community here.
The pregnant woman's story makes me so sad without the MLM. Any decent human, especially a woman, should never callously talk about a woman's miscarriages. Any decent human (with the exception of a medical professional, who would give AMA approved advice without blaming you) would never say YOU WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR MISCARRIAGES (I'm shouting because it makes me so, so, so angry). The person who said this is the lowest of the low, I hope that person doesn't claim she's religious (I don't think this would be okay in any religion.). I hope one day she realizes she how vile her statements were and apologizes. I'm praying you and your baby make it through the last few weeks without any issues. I'm praying that your older daughter continues to have progress with her developmental delays. Thanks for sharing your story. This is an example of how desperate these salespeople are. Usually Hannah is very forgiving of the MLM Huns, but wasn't in this situation. Line were crossed and it's hard to defend someone who is being so hateful and hurtful to sell a product.
As a medical professional and someone who’s suffered a miscarriage I can’t even imagine a doctor telling you it was your fault even if they think something you did caused it because I think they know the type of mental damage that would do to a woman.. MLM huns are disgusting and have no shame
Just like the OP, I was screaming and throwing things. How evil do you have to be to tell a vulnerable mother who has experienced multiple pregnancy losses, C@
This story was one of the most infuriating stories I’ve ever heard! What a vile creature to come after a pregnant person in such a disgusting way, blame them for something out of their control and then have the MF audacity to peddle her unregulated snake oil like that would be the cure to all her troubles.
I teared up listening to the pregnant lady's story, i lost my baby earlier this year, and you already have more than enough guilt and self-blame and the audacity of that "mlm hun" to say you need their bullcrap to help keep the baby. I HAD TO GO TO A PSYCOLOGIST JUST TO HELP ME NOT BE SO DEPRESSED. And to hear someone say "oh you should've taken what i'm selling..." it literally makes my blood boil. Praying that the lady would have a safe delivery🙏
@@mynameiskaren1681 I'm sorry you had to deal with such a devastating loss. I'm glad you were strong enough to get the psychological help you needed. I hope you have a rainbow baby if that is what you want.
Would have 100% screenshot those dms and put them on blast. Let everyone else see how terrible she was and maybe she’d have a “oh shit” moment. I hope her and her baby are doing amazing
Normally like Hannah I feel for the Hun. I know that they're not evil people, they're just misguided. But what that woman said was so evil, so vile, so hateful, so destructive...... I find it hard to feel any compassion for that Hun. I hope one she does have a "oh shit" moment soon before she spreads more toxicity into the world.
My favorite series! I prefer people's stories over annoying hun videos.
Same!
That is so awful how that rep treated the pregnant person! I'm proud of them for sharing their story and hope they had a healthy and safe pregnancy/delivery. Sending them love and wishing the best in recovery and everything!
As a competitive figure skater of 20 years, I can totally believe that Isogenix dude just had tons of clients in a rink. Especially 10 years ago, figure skating is in many ways wildly unregulated but usually an extremely large part of skaters’ lives. I had coaches with no actual personal training or nutrition certifications make us do extreme off ice conditioning and push disordered eating practices on us as early as 9 years old. I am so relieved that the figure skater in your story didn’t have her relationship with food ruined by this Isogenix distributor considering that most skaters I have grown up with, MLMs or not, have had to grow out of horrific relationships with food and exercise.
As someone who helps with the hiring process at my company, I 100% agree that when I see a MLM on a resume I automatically reject it/throw it out. It tells me that you have poor judgement, do not do your own research and are susceptible to the opinions of others no matter how misguided. Basically, you won't be a critical thinker and may double down on misguided opinions. Harsh, but it's the truth
The tangent of mlm parents makes me think - would their kids get indoctrinated from a young age that you should ingest essential oils for all illnesses or lose hair to let your scalp detoxify or replace all meals with low calorie supplement shakes?
The fact I can't confidently say no is terrifying.
I’d say 50/50 shot based on observing my friend and his 5 siblings. They grew up in a cult household with a lot of weird “health” beliefs. They are a complete spectrum of still believe to fully out. Luckily my friend is out.
We can only hope that the anti MLM movement will have had enough of an impact that the children of current huns will see them for what they are and rebel against them. If we keep fighting the good fight the next generation will be informed and will know exactly what to do when they get the pitch.
The last story made me laugh out loud literally. About 20 years ago my husband was the best man at his friends Wedding. It was a small affair (about 60 people). We got to the reception, the tables were set up in a U formation. Weird, but small gathering so okay. When it was time for the “best man speech” instead of my husband speaking about the loving couple, their up line got up and gave an Amway pitch!! Fortunately we had already turned down the “opportunity” but I was mortified for everyone else. Looking back now I feel sorry that is the memory the have of their wedding.
So thankful to the viewer that sent the first story to you! Thank you! Also thank you to you Hannah for continuining this series!
As someone who works with optometrists, that makes me angry. Pitching your MLM to your patients is extremely unethical.
Story number three really struck me - the one about putting your MLM "work experience" on a resume. All these companies lure you in with all these opportunities they say offer, that you're starting your own business and working for yourself. Someone who has very little experience in sales would think this is an advantage for them and falsely believe this kind of "work" would give them the qualifications they need for a job with a Fortune 500 company - or even a managerial position at a local retail store. To think you have a leg up and then be told that this is detrimental to your professional goals and that you don't have critical thinking skills or marketable competitive qualifications is such a slap in the face. I can't help but think of all those who have been in it for years thinking they were doing themselves a favor.
YAAY so happy for the person who cancelled their YoungLiving subscription!
I did a big fist pump!
I have never had such a visceral reaction to a RUclips video before but when you said "Yeah sometimes that* happens when we don't take care of ourselves, you've definitely put on some pounds in the last few years" my stomach dropped. My heart breaks for that lady to endure such a heartless, tactless and insensitive comment.
*the cherry on top really is the use of "that" to describe a miscarriage. Like it's just an inconvenient, easily dismissed little whoopsie and not one of the most traumatising things that can happen to parents 🙄😡
Thank you for your videos. I have binge watching your videos and it has highlighted how a couple of people have been contacting me to join the "business". I didn't join and these videos validate my feelings because I was beginning to think I am becoming too suspicious. Thank you for validating my feelings. 😊😊😊
You might be interested in this site about the difference between Dietitians & Nutritionists. The latter can be rather iffy.
Isagenix is the worst, one of my best friends from college got in early and she became a monster. Scammed a few of our friends who still are getting auto shipments. I told her no. She even offered that it could cure my moms lupus I LOST IT
I’m an optometrist, and there are so many in MLMs, mostly Rodan + Fields (the one I got sucked into) and Beautycounter! I never pitched to patients because it felt unprofessional to me, but my upline (also an optometrist) did pitch to her patients. 😬
Story 4 has me MORTIFIED. I can't believe this hun has the nerve to promote her mlm like this
I feel so bad for the pregnant lady, as women we know what hurts our feelings, it's not nice at all to mention weight!
You sound like you're feeling way better! Woo!! 🌼🌻🌼 And perfect timing. I had a horror story hole in my heart. It still makes me laugh that you didn't even try to make this a thing and now they're one of my favorites!
I’m binging your channel this weekend. You are SO easy to listen to. No cussing or junk. So thank you. I’m hooked!
I 100% believe that people should not say anything if they don't have anything nice to say! Your (society's) opinion is not asked for nor wanted. Thank you, Hannah, for all the work you are done to expose the toxic environment of MLMs.
Fastest way to get prayers and good vibes. I really hope pregnant story writer has a healthy baby.
To answer if MLMs can be multigenerational: no.
People who are successful are so for a reason. It’s at the expense of their families. I’m an MLM baby and it quite literally tore my family apart. 16 hour days, constant meetings, missing all my big events to push for end of month deadlines, employing me and my siblings, it was awful! The kids of the hons really have it the worst 😢
I am so happy this channel is thriving, it is one of my favorites! 💗
Love that you have made these videos longer! Looking forward to listening to this while working in the office today 😅
MLMs can absolutely be generational! Living in Utah and as a member of the LDS faith, where MLMs tend to run rampant, it seems normal to join them. I remember growing up and tagging along to parties with my mom. Some family members have been in a bunch of different ones over the years, Mary Kay, Stampin Up, there was a scrapbooking one I can't remember the name of, etc. They join because it seems normal! Their mothers and grandmothers have done it, so they do it. So crazy! I even thought about it when I was younger, but the pay to play kit buying always turned me off to it thankfully.
Random thought: I know you get some flack for this in your hate comments, but I truly enjoy how much you edit your videos. It’s very aesthetically pleasing! 😊
Same! I love how she edits her videos. The haters are just doing what comes naturally to them, even when it makes no sense. They’re complaining that Hannah edits her videos? 🤷🏾♀️
I don't even notice it, I don't know what people are complaining about
OMG. I'm shocked that you read MY story! Mine was the last one. Yeah, it's definitely easier to look back and laugh now. I loved your perspective about the whole Amway thing sort of botching all her memories of what should have been a happy time, and I hadn't really thought about it until now. I think about them often since that was my first encounter with an MLM and they seem to be everywhere now. I'm glad I could give y'all a laugh at Lisa's expense!
That was a great story! First dates can be weird but glad yours ended well!
@@JamesQMurphy Too bad the entire relationship didn't end well! That's a whole other crazy story nobody wants to hear!
Imma be honest - we're in a scenario like that and the host starts pointedly asking about the tea, I'm grabbing you and dragging you out of there, because I'm assuming there's something in the FlavorAid. Your date should have done better.
@@kateemma22 lol. Maybe so. He never had my best interests in mind, looking back over the 15 year, on again off again relationship we had. He passed away in 2001 right after we got engaged. I met his other fiancée at the funeral. :/
Always a wonderful day when Hannah releases a video! ❤️
Ewwww is isagenix still a thing??? My mom put me and my sister on isogenix back in 2007 (when I was 13)and it caused me all kind of problems including an eating disorder. I was 13 DOING DIET CLEANSES (2 days of not eating)…I destroyed my metabolism as a young teen and now still struggle with my weight despite eating the same calories as other people
That is so sad! I'm so sorry you're having to deal with these chronic issues because of your mom's MLM. 🥺
This is absolutely so sad and heartbreaking.
Thanks for the pregnancy loss warning. It’s honestly crazy how much content talks about babies. I’ll click on a random video about nails and then the nail tech is talking about how this lady is getting special nails for her soon to be baby and there was literally no indication of this being what the video was about when I clicked. I know that I can’t expect the whole world to stop for me but it’s so difficult to navigate when you’re trying to find distraction from after your world was shattered and although you do your best to avoid all the baby content the algorithm thinks tou still want and still see it to remind you of your broken heart
As a Career Coach and Learning & Development professional who's worked closely with recruiters in both private and public sector I can also confirm that you should absolutely not put an MLM on your resume. Unless the recruiter simply doesn't know it's an MLM and you spin it really well, it would absolutely reflect negatively. Even and sometimes especially for a sales position because if it's a well-known brand being sold, very likely they have a well-established sales culture and with the inconsistent and often terrible sales tactics taught in MLMs they would be weary of someone they may have to train bad habits out of.
My SOs aunt joined optivia recently and I was talking about how awful that is and a huge mistake and he assure me that she’s persuasive and has already recruited people under her she’s making money off of.
Was that supposed to make me feel better or make me not like her as a human anymore since she’s taking advantage of people?
RE the children of MLM huns wanting to follow in their footsteps, based on what the homelife of a devoted hun must be like, I doubt her kids got much of her attention at all. They probably get shooed away because it's the end of the month and mama has to rank up. She can't read them stories because she's on her laptop, and they have to stay out of the room when she's on a training call. I bet alot of those kids have terrible memories of what it's like to have a hun for a mom, and maybe they wouldn't want to wish it on their own kids.
Remember the 14 year old was mama's assistant. Does she get anytime to be a kid? Is she too busy helping Mama in the business to concentrate of her school work?
As an optometrist this is absolutely horrifying to me. I can’t even imagine thinking it’s acceptable OR appropriate to make a sales pitch to your patients. So gross and inappropriate. This is what makes people lose their trust in their health care providers. I’m so sorry to the writer of that story and I hope she never has that experience again 😭😭😭
OMG Monavie! That’s the one! I’ve been trying to remember which one I got sucked into for a very brief moment when I was fresh out of high school. Them and their magic açai berry juice
I have had a nutritionist for the last 3+ years. I can almost guarantee that "Daniel" wasn't a nutritionist.
44 seconds ago! I'm always on watch for your video - I look everyday!
I'm so glad I never got sucked into an MLM but most women I know have! I would buy from them in support but now I realize that I wasn't actually helping them.
Best way to spend my time while I analyze school counseling program data😎
These MLM distributors definitely do try to groom their children. My mum has been involved in so many over the years When I was a kid she always tried to encourage the 'business' and would get frustrated if I wasn't interested. Then as an adult she signed me up into the latest one as a Christmas present. I had explicitly told her no multiple times and that I didn't want to join. To this day she still runs the profile herself.
Visiting this five months later I pray the woman in story 4 is doing ok!!
My current work contract prohibits me from joining an MLM as a "side hustle", and I love it! 😁
the pregnancy ones are so freaking infuriating, like they genuinely bring me to tears. Like I dont care for kids much and never want any but im always so happy for someone when they have a baby, especially when it's been tough, and I know that miscarriage can be so completely devastating. It should be common sense to not say horrible/judgmental things to pregnant women, and for the love of everything not to pitch freaking MLMs!! Thank you for sharing this story, both OP and Hannah
MLM on a CV is definitely a red flag. It’s a shame that people are duped into thinking it’s work experience, buts it’s simply not. They’re not in a workplace, working towards anything.
MLM's can be generational. I was in Primerica, I actually send you an email about my story, but get to it when you get to it, and there were MANY parents who were getting their kids to join. One of the RVP's had his kids, no older than 5, saying their dream was to work at their "Daddy's business", and one of the SVP's had their kids out recruiting for them at their school because they're too young to start themselves. Even a couple who had to leave to get money to buy food for their kids were trying to get their kids to join.
The last story in this video was mine. I didn't mention it, but Lisa had been introduced to Amway by her stepdad and that's how she got involved. So yeah, it happened even back in the 90s.
Interesting, probably unpopular, opinion, while listening to your feedback on the first story what popped into my mind was how I completely agree with you that the "nutritionist" getting financial compensation for selling his MLM products undermines his credibility, because it shows how his intentions are not purely altruistic. Similarly, I think it discredits actual doctors' advice in my mind when you know they get kickbacks from pharmaceutical reps for prescribing you certain medications over others.
I recently went to my local goodwill and found a shit load of Lula Roe clothing. I laughed thinking hmmm must have been a hun who donated these. No I did not buy.
You can put MLM on resume under the failure and what you learn from it. 5/5 companies asked me about what is the most disappointing or failure in my life
I loved your asides and rants in this one! Spicy Hannah is in the house! 🌶️🌶️🌶️
In regards to the first story: Another important thing to note is 'nutritionists' require no qualifications or any sort of certification. In most places, you can just call yourself a nutritionist. What you want is a -dietician-, who do require actual qualifications.
One of the PT’s at my gym tried to rope me into this MLM a few months ago under the guise of “bio hacking”my life/body and helping me with my energy levels and hormone issues. I was so shocked someone who is so knowledgeable and active in the industry was susceptible to such BS and so ready to pass it onto people who trust them with their health. After attending their info session night (which I had no idea what it was)
I told her that I wasn’t interested coz I was already seeing great results at the gym and already had normal supps from legit places like nutrition warehouse. I also told her that I have history with ED so things like this are a slippery slope back into bad habits and body image issues.
She backed off thank god but she still wanted me to let her know if anyone I knew would be interested in it as well.
I have said this before - we need to stop being polite to rude people. That hun that was insulting and offensive to the pregnant woman needs to be put on blast. I don’t often think blasting someone is appropriate but this is one case when it is.
Stumbled across your channel and have become hooked. As someone who is still struggling after miscarriage, those hurt the worst. Thanks for showing these predatory and awful huns and mlms for what they are
Speaking of the generational view - do a deep dive on the Mary Kay leadership structure as far as National Sales directors and the percentage with daughters who spend their entire lives “working the business” in their down line. Off the top of my head I can think of 10 pairs.
Probably the same for Avon in the UK
I knew a girl who was with “ It Works” she had a baby, gained 30 lbs during her pregnancy. She started drinking her “Keto Coffee” after a month she lost 30lbs. Claimed it was the coffee, not anything to do with the fact, that a month post partum, you generally lose the extra water, baby’s weight, and extra fluids that go along with pregnancy.
Perfect timing for lunch break 😃
So sad. A woman I know at my church is in Plexus. She reached Emerald status and she got the Lexus. I went to her daughter's high school graduation open house a few years ago. I asked her what her future plans were. She was off to college. She told me she was majoring in business and she wanted to use that for her future Plexus business so she would be able to be a stay-at-home mom someday.
Making her engagement party into a sales pitch screams desperation. They always say “make your own hours and make lots of money!” And then literally turn their wedding events into a pitch. That’s not exactly the work life balance I’d want to sign up for
I could listen to these all day, another great video!
After I graduated from college, I connected with a local job recruiting business to find a job in the city I was living in. That recruiter told me to put my MLM under job experience. The first two job interviews that I went to, The employers rejected hiring me simply based on that one piece of my résumé. This is such an important topic to talk about because people don’t realize how bad it can be for your professional work history. Having a gap in your résumé isn’t always a red flag, but filling that gap with some thing that the industry as a whole does not take seriously like this, can be a huge problem. Thank you for talking about this because I wish I had known not to put that on my résumé at all, but because the recruiter person told me that I should put it on there, I did. It cost me the opportunity for two different jobs, and we took it off the résumé and I ended up getting the next job I interviewed for, but I still had this huge uncomfortable feeling in my stomach every time I went to an interview.
I’m a recruiter and while I don’t necessarily disagree that joining an MLM shows a lack of judgment, I don’t think it’s fair to victim-blame and automatically disqualify them because it’s on their resume. I could see someone listing MLM experience on their resume to explain an employment gap.
Just to add - it also would depend on the position. Would I hire them for something in finance? Probably not. Could they be an administrative assistant or do something customer service oriented? Yes, it’s definitely possible.
Thank you for another great video. Hope you are feeling better vs last week! 💗
Ok so I have this girl as a friend on fb and she is with it works and one thing that she does that is so weird to me is she will ask a random question and if you answer her question, she'll do the cold message thing and I'm just weirded out by it. I remember one time she posted something like "my pregnant friend is looking for an old fashioned name for her baby girl, what was your grandma's name?! for a chance to win $1300 cash this month!"
Regarding children who grew up in cults; there is a channel on RUclips called Telltale. The creator is a guy who grew up JW. He does deep dives into the experiences of children who grow up in a cult. Love your channel
I've seen that channel too. He and his family were persecuted in their home state for calling out a health teacher's religious BS that doesn't belong in class, and they moved to NYC as de facto refugees as a result. I even managed to reach out to them a little (through comments, of course) during that time when they were being persecuted.
My mom joined Advocare when I was 16 and the moment i turned 18 I signed up under her. Neither of us made any money as we spent more than we made and didn't recruit more than a small handful of people. After Advocare went from multi level to single level I quit and joined zurvuta for a few months and my mom bought products from me but didn't sign up as a distributor. Then I quit that and about a year later I joined LeVel and signed my mom up under me. I lasted 1.5 years and spend 3.5k more than I ever made. My mom is still in it 2.5 years later and is on the fence about leaving. I found the anti mlm community a few months after I left and I'm super thankful as I'm definitely not going to get sucked into another MLM. I've tried to get my mom to quit completely but she's still sold on an MLM making all her dreams come true even though she still hasn't hit the 1st rank in the company with level. It makes me sad that she's lost a lot more money with LeVel than i did, although she won't do a profit and loss statement because she knows she's in the hole. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. I hope my mom gets out soon.
Had to laugh. Listened to several of your anti-MLM videos yesterday and last night a former high school classmate sent me a “hi, hon” message. Colorstreet! 🙄
It surprises me how up to now and all the damage they have caused that there are now better regulations and laws against them and their operations.
I needed this today, thank you so much for doing what you do Hannah!
I will say that when I worked hiring for entry level positions in the service/hospitality business, I looked favorably on MLM experience. I saw those individuals as hard working and great with customer service. I was always happy to see that they were getting a real job and out of the MLM. That said, these people could get the job WITHOUT the MLM, but I’m not penalizing them for that experience. I chalk it up like other youth experience (high school organizations, extra curricular, etc). Once you get past an intro level position, I certainly wouldn’t put it on. But I don’t think it’s as detrimental for a young person to have on a resume, as long as they aren’t going in being “pro MLM”
It seems like literally everybody was victimized by an mlm in some way
Lots of broken friendships and heartbreaking to say but families too.
Thankfully I haven’t had a horror story (at least not yet) but yeah it seems like they are everywhere
i got all caught up on the anti mlm playlist, so i’m so excited to see a new video up! 🍿 😊
While I agree for the most part about the resume. As an ex hun, who got divorced and had only SAHM & homeschooling to put along with MLM on resume. I was up front and added in the details that though I was in an MLM I listed what I learned. Including not to be in an MLM. And my honesty and upfront ness with what I learned negative and positive got me the job.
I’m not saying that it will always work like that. But to give hope for someone else who may be in similar shoes that once escaping multiple circumstances you can still find an out
If “Daniel” was only using my fitness pal as his nutrition tool (with a 12 yr old totally inappropriate!) I would bet money he was not a nutritionist.
Those poor girls aren't just going to join mlms because they don't know better, that mom is going to push them into hers. It's so sad.
The 14 year old is an assistant. I hope this mlm isn't effecting her education. I hope she has time to just be a kid and enjoy herself.
@@janejones7638 Ugh, I didn't even think of that