All these problems scare me..but u know what? This has been my dream car for years and now that they are cheap I'm finally looking to buy one you only live once!!
they are not as unreliable as they say on RUclips. i have one with 80k miles 2006 in priston condition. I don't ride hard, I don't push M botton like anyone else does (maybe few times a month). i did have to replace clutch 2 weeks ago $3200.. my bearings are perfect, my vanos lines are good, and i did replace SMG pump at 65k miles $4000. these cars are cheap nowadays but keep in mind maintenance is like carring for a $120k car. oil change every 3k miles $280 i do it myself. let the car get to the right temp before riding (no rpm over 3k). its a fun car but got to have some.money saved up for surprises. good luck!
Today is Feb 27 2019, my daily driver E60 M5 has been bulletproof reliable, normal stuff like an alternator and the feared throttle actuators have been the only normal replacement at 60k so far. (big deal) the actuators were cheap, get them from england at half the price and get a qualified local BMW specialist to do it in a morning for $500, you'll spend more on a Toyota Camry new set of shocks.
@@dzionisis maybe I just didn't believe the hype. I heard the same thing before I bought my E46 M3, and 1988 Porsche 911 Cabriolet, few issues if any. Many people who don't have the money or the balls to buy one of these cars, like to ruin it for everybody else, so they project their fears on others. Their thinking is "if I can't have it, no one will".. Take your time shopping, have our mechanic check it out (no seller objects to check ups as long as you pay for the $70) buy a car from a reliable owner, not some kid that red-lines it on a cold engine daily and you will be fine.
"unreliability" ? the thing is been solid reliable since I bought it, if you take care of the car and do not do stupid things with it (like daily launches) the car is solid and dependable. Its my daily driver even in 8 degrees below zero weather.
Eh that's not really true. I own one as well. There is no fix for the rod bearings, SMG problems, other fairly expensive problem areas. Sure, you can just fix everything before it breaks, and you'll spend thousands and thousands a year anyway. I love my car, and I am hoping I don't have to sell it any time soon - but to pretend it's as reliable as anything else is just not true. And yes, I do daily mine, winter too. And I've got the repair bills to back up what I'm saying here.
Wow! Ferrari and F10 in the garage, e60 m5 as a "beater" talk about 1st world problems!!, good on you for looking after it though, these will appreciate as cars get more and more boring.
Can get a sl v10 can get a vw v10 can get an audi s8 v10 he'll can get v12s as well. It's not that hard to find a v10 more reliable. Its just people love bmws and I agree this particular v10 is immense. Just better on the wallet to get an s8.
I have to say something about all this. I currently own my 2nd E60 M5, both bought used. I, for safety sake had my rod bearings replaced at 72K, one had minor scuffing. I have read numerous posts/blogs, where they say the bearings are to soft. NONSENSE. Living just outside the Seattle area for issues I don't trust my skills on, I use two independent BMW shops, Strictly BMW in Bellevue Wa, and Eastside Bavarian in Issaquah Wa. Both, and the M division of Seattle BMW have all told me the same thing. People do not know how to warm this engine up correctly before accelerating correctly. They think the temp gauge is water, it is not, it is oil, on the head up display the tach will stay in the yellow area 4/4.5Krpm until completely warmed, many, many owners don't do that. This engines redline is about 8,400rpm, if you go anywhere near that number before it is thoroughly warmed up, you are going to damage bearings. It is always helpful to read the manual with the car, but being men, most don't, they start it up, hit the highway/freeway and kick it in the caboose.
This video literally killed any hope of me buying a V10 M5/M6. I'd love to own one and don't mind DIY but this is just too much to worry over. (Love this channel btw).
The connecting rod bearings are part # 11247841702 and 11247841703, top and bottom. They were used on every single S85 V10 and S65 V8 car that BMW made. There were no revisions, so all cars will be affected by pre-mature bearing wear.
I own one, 2006, no issues, awesome vehicle, if you research you will see all serious problems and there is only a few of them can all be fixed within$2-$5K if you get one $70K discounted, say you pay $20, you area way ahead of the game! hell its the low price you can get them for right now that makes them so irresistible and great proposition. But if you are still scared, this car is not for you, there are always Honda Accords out there lol happy motoring!
First off I must say, the best looking 06 M5 out there. Now, my question is the rod bearing job with the oil chain thing Vanos line and whatever for $3,200 was done in the dealer? Id guess not but would still like to get an answer from you. Thanks
most of the time the top bearings are more damaged compared to the bottom ones (they get all the force when the piston comes down). great job man, you can clearly see you love these cars. I have never seen a M5 E60 with no errors :)
The E60 is awesomely sorted. Good idea to install 4 brand new wheel hub bearing assemblies with that mileage. It may surprise you how smooth the ride and handling improves.
Look at Exotic Car Play Place. He has figured out that the rod bearing issue is directly related to using oil that is too thick. The 10w/60 that BMW used and recommended for these engines is far too viscous for an engine that has internal tolerances as tight as the S-85 or S-65. He's not the only one who has determined that switching to 0w/30 or 40 will make that engine as reliable and durable as any Honda. This also effects the life of the VANOS pumps.
Absolutely love the detail in your videos. Perfect for OCD and detail oriented people like myself. Damn though 80k on rod bearings your dad run 6000 rpm all day?
Thanks for the feedback! Actually, quite the opposite. It very rarely exceeds 4,000RPM. Most of it's live is cruising along on the highway at 80mph in 7th gear.
E39Source I guess my humor is too abstract.... I know it’s a bad design I watched the video lol. And I knew this before the video from another owner. I was just playing.
Unplug the IBS Cable in the boot that's connected to your battery...it helps with loads of electric gremlins...I had a bmw m6 and did this...game changer...
Omg 😲 I didn't buy an m5 e39 because of the maintenance but holy crap the e60 seems like a nightmare! I'm kool with my 525 and 540, wrenching on these cars is not to bad
Is it possible to change out the rod bearings without pulling the engine? This car can survive in So. Cal-anywhere else it would be junked. I live near Boston-and old Bimmers are never seen (they rot away due to wintertime slat).
That's sure in fantastic condition, love the color --I watch Exotic Car Play place and he does his share of E-60 vids, he also talks about rod bearing issue issues though he hasn't had any YET but he did the actuators, basically its an expensive to maintain 4 door toy and owners need to be prepared to take a huge loss when selling especially if they bought new. Sad such a beautiful car is plagued with some many 'issues' thus making resale very lowHow is the performance of the F-10 VS the E-60?
Agree with TheBimmerMan As you have access to all 3 models, you should produce a series of comparison videos. Maybe one on the interior, one for the exterior, one for the engine, drive-ability, practicality ect I mean we know which one will win...:) but would be entertaining! A different style video for E39 source Maybe. Either way I love this site! Cheers Ryan...Paolo
I was actually considering a Jaguar XFR over one of these or a E63AMG. That V10 going through rod bearings is just too much for me to consider one as a daily driver.
The only thing I don't like about my LCI E60. If it has Bi-Xenons, then only one bulb/LED lights both rings and the way it's positioned, it illuminates the inner rings brighter than the outer ones. The Halogen headlights however, for some bizarre reason has separate bulbs/LEDs illuminating each ring.
Great video, I live in Southern California (Rancho Cucamonga) can you recommend a good bmw shop to do my rod bearings? As I want to get mine done because I don't have any records to know if they've ever been done. New owner of my e60 M5 (1 month now) and I want to prevent ruining my motor. Any help would be greatly appreciated Thanks
What rod bearings did you go with? If its not BE Bearings, is there a reason why you did not choose extra clearance? Do you think an aftermarket warranty would make sense with this car?
Factory rod bearings. Aftermarket parts are just a gray area. The OE ones are a known quality, even if they require replacement every ~80k miles. Owning one of these with any kind of capable warranty would be very wise.
Quick question for you: How do I check if my suspension is still good on my e60 M5? I've had mine since new, an '06 as well, and I feel like they've hardened over the years. Thanks and great vids.
A visual inspection of everything is the best way to determine that. Get under the car and inspect the bushings for signs of cracks/leaking/wear. Make sure that struts rebound without extra bouncing too.
Beautiful, well-cared for example. Great looking car. Video does a great job of outlining why the value is where it is...too bad. That V-10 is a wonderful sounding engine.
Hey I also live in San Diego and own a 2007 E60 m5 with 101,000 miles on it and since I will probably be needing to change my rod bearings after I do an oil analysis. I was wondering where you went to get the rod bearings replaced for $3200.00. Also I was wondering your thoughts on getting aftermarket rod bearings? By the way you did an excellent job with the video. I look forward to your response. Alex
Hi Alex, we went to B&B Autohaus on Balboa avenue. I don't know if aftermarket bearings are even available. But if they were, I doubt that I'd use them. Even stock ones get a solid 75k, which is 6-10 years of normal driving.
Wow, really cool video. Regarding the rod bearings- I could have sworn there was an aftermarket solution that addressed the abnormally short wear. I suppose BMW wouldn't warranty that. Kind of sad though considering Honda has been putting 8000 RPM engines in cars 1/5th the price for 30 years. Nothing like an M5 though.
Gary, just a quick question since you mention transmission, are you considering manual swap? Asking because someone with another channel feels that engine's power characteristics aren't really best suited for the manual transmission ratios, just your thoughts
I have heard that from a people as well. To me it sounds like somebody's reason to convince themselves that the 7-speed SMG is worth keeping. Eve if the gear ratios aren't quite as suiting, the driving experience and reliability of the manual would make it 100% worth it to me.
I drive a 2005 Altima 3.5L with 142,000 all original miles on all shocks, motor, trans, ALL accessories, electrical parts, etc. Brakes, tires, oil, and use. 12 years of everyday back and forth. Seriously the most reliable car I've ever owned. It's not babied either.
Ha! Totally thought that diesel noise at the end of the vid was HORRENDOUS Vanos noise on the e39 m5 and then i saw the delivery truck... great vid as always Ryan.
hi I've the same E60 (2009 model), I;ve the same problem with the rear windscreen shield. May I know where can we find the rear windscreen shield online.
You're right Ryan! A 6 speed manual would be great for an E60 ///M5! Plus the manual ones are hard to find, but you can do a SMG to manual tranny swap though.
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing. I'm trading in my BMW for a totally different brand. Although they look fantastic and are extremely fun to drive, they eventually reach a point where they lose tremendous value (as you pointed out), and I can no longer justify the cost of repairs. It would be a tad easier if I was retired... I could do the work myself. But, I'm ready to move on.
A very good and detailed video👍 I heard you say it's still for sale for a right price, and with all the maintenance that's been done to it would be probably well worth it. What's the sale price on it now. Please let me know as soon as you can. Thank you.
E39Source Yea $30 is a bit high since the 2013 F10 M5 is around $40 with higher millage like 80k on it now a days. Still worth it with all the maintenance that was done to it.
Yeah we don't expect to sell it for that, and even if somebody offered cash theres a good chance we'd still decline. Seeing that the last 12 months have seen over $11,000 in maintenance and improvements.
Great looking car. I have a 2010 E-60. Just has 12K miles on it, garage queen big time. I bought it with 9K in 2012. No problem yet. I did just replace the battery and had the original tires replaced with the Pilot Sport 4S units. I used it for canyon fun runs to my sister in Acton so Angeles crest and Angeles forest hwy. Doing a track day at "Bimmerfest" at Cal. Speedway, my first track day tomorrow. Hope it does not let me down. Of about 60 BMW I'm the only E-60 on the rooster. Not a good sign. Oh well, I'm still going to hammer it.
Report on track day.......... 4 session, novice class, point by on 2 straight aways. Pushed hard, instruction at meeting told the crowd to turn on your driver aids on if you have them, so I did. Traction control light was on a lot in the corners. In the end I learn that it really hurts the drive out of corners by not letting the engine power up even if you have the pedal pressed.Light on dash had to go off that traction control off before engine was allowed to make good power. It would go into a limp mode kinda thing when light was on. I wanted to go fast from the get go so the cars electronics were saving me big time. I'm sure if anti lock and DCS were off I would had spun. If I do it again the DCS will be off and will have to learn the limits by slowing advancing my skills. Only one car needed a point by . It was a old M3 gutted with roll cage and he got me in the corners but I had him in the straights. Late braking was where everybody was blowing it. They broke way to early and I was hammering it. I was a blast. I have stock exhaust so very hard to ear shift points so I hit the rev limiter once. My new tires took a beating. If it means anything my time was 2:06 sec. I was hanging it out big time except in the nascar oval turn. 140mph in but hit the brakes slightly before the apex and little power out. Lost time by being chicken there. I'm sure the tires and car had more.
Thanks for the report! Sounds like you learned a lot about your car and had a fun time. I've never tracked mine or been in one on a track, I guess it's just not my thing. Definitely a good, legal, and relatively safe place to feel out the limits though.
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I have a 2010 e63 M6 with 37k miles , a check engine light due "increased emissions" came up last week while driving it . any advice? I still have the extended warranty. thank you, Ps. I had the same Silverstone blue E39 M5 as you for seven years! Thank you ,
Sam Toure if you still have warranty take it to the dealer asap and claim the problem under your warranty. It may just be due to your exhaust mods if you have any.
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shadowp80 My exhaust is all stock, no mods. thank you,
Sam Toure if you don’t want to check it at the dealer just clear the code then. they’re can’t be anything else triggering it but an exhaust leak. Happy to help
What’s interesting to me is how the e60 M5 seems to get much more attention and wary attitudes from potential buyers than the e92 does which makes no sense at all. I still kind of want a 2002 m3/M5/z3 m coupe, and a 2008 variant of the same cars
I have the same exact car and color with 84,000 miles on it I'm also in Ohio but it is smoking out of the tail pipes whiteish blue color any ideas on what is going on it's funny though cause I started it this morning and it's not smoking anymore but I did lose a little power a couple weeks ago and it was smoking really bad but not today any suggestions or ideas,,?
That sounds like an oil leak inside the engine. Pull the spark plugs and check for oil in the spark plug wells, you could have bad valve cover gaskets which are leaking and fouling the plugs, causing a poor-running engine. You could also have bad valve seals- but that's not super common on the S85 V10, and oh man would that suck.
@@E39Source oh man it all sounds bad lol but I will definitely check now let me ask you this the car is in great condition body wise and interior with a clean title it has 84000 miles on it the only problem with it is the smoking now that being said is there anyway you could tell me roughly what it is worth as is it's in great condition I just have no ideo what it's worth or how to even go about valuing it
@@DavidSanchez-hn6dj I haven't checked the market on these for a while. Just go to cars.com and look for similar cars. 2006-2007 M5s with similar miles in similar condition.
$3200 wow. I was thinking you was going to say $5,000. When that engine came out I didn't like it because it was peaking too high to only make 500 hp. I had the chance to buy an 07 but I checked the oil cap and the sludge was milky. I thought the head gasket was weak.
Lovely car but they are very tempremental. I had the E63 M6 for 18 months and it went back to the main dealer 8 times to have something fixed. Clutch Flywheel Clutch position sensor Parking sensor Power steering pump failure Throttle actuators Thermostat Lower radiator VANOS valves replaced Fortunately all under warranty but it made resent the car and ultimately get rid of it. They are EPIC when working though and that V10 is glorious at full chat but never again for me.
Yeah, this is why I don't personally like new cars as much. If you don't code the new battery, the alternator will not adjust to 'how it likes to be charged' and the new battery won't last very long.
Only put the best oil in! There are huge differences in oil film strength between what we think that should be a better oil, and what really is! There are huge variations across the same brand! Quiz... which one has better oil film strength/which one would you buy? Who can get 5 out of 5? The oil film strength across all of the oils below is as much as 5 times different. 1. Motul 8100 X-clean C3 5W40 or Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5W40 2. Castrol Magnatec C3 5W40 or Valvoline MaxLife 5W40 3. Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 or Mobil 1 ESP 0W40 4. Shell Helix Ultra ECT C3 5W30 or BMW TwinPower Turbo LongLife-04 5W30 5. Mobil Super 3000 X1 5W40 or Millers oils Nanodrive EE Longlife 5W40
wow.. 3 grand every 100k and I get to drive a $95K car, and you say they did it in 2 days on top of it?? nice! I spend that on a l simple ski trip ! I also researched SMG and throttle actuators all these fixes are between $3 - $5K and when you factor in the fact that you can get these for $20K (I bought one with 38K for $22k this year) I am still about $75 ahead of the game making this car extremely cheap to own!! As far as the insurance company deeming the car nothing if an air bag goes off, who cares what they think? I am not 'selling' to them, they don't judge driving enjoyment, to them its just a number on a sheet of paper, I bought this beauty to drive it, don't let them in influence you as to the real value of a $95k solid super-car with a Williams Formula one technology engine. Happy motoring and thanks again for the awesome videos, keep up the good work.
31acruz I’m glad that’s the case for you but for most people buying this car they’re buying it as a 10-20k car & aren’t able to much less prepared to maintain it like a $75k car, his point was if you buy an there’s no reason to worry about the mod increasing the chance of the passenger airbag going off because you’re m5 for 13k was just totaled out, and for 99% of people that means they’re either turning it over to insurance to write a check, can’t or won’t buy it back because it can’t or won’t be insurable, or again simply don’t have the money to repair a totaled car out of pocket. For those that do great, well done, that’s awesome, but for the vast majority his points are valid & solid advice. Most people certainly don’t expect to put damn near half the value of a car into maintenance/repairs every few years they own it
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All these problems scare me..but u know what? This has been my dream car for years and now that they are cheap I'm finally looking to buy one you only live once!!
they are not as unreliable as they say on RUclips. i have one with 80k miles 2006 in priston condition. I don't ride hard, I don't push M botton like anyone else does (maybe few times a month). i did have to replace clutch 2 weeks ago $3200.. my bearings are perfect, my vanos lines are good, and i did replace SMG pump at 65k miles $4000.
these cars are cheap nowadays but keep in mind maintenance is like carring for a $120k car. oil change every 3k miles $280 i do it myself. let the car get to the right temp before riding (no rpm over 3k).
its a fun car but got to have some.money saved up for surprises.
good luck!
Today is Feb 27 2019, my daily driver E60 M5 has been bulletproof reliable, normal stuff like an alternator and the feared throttle actuators have been the only normal replacement at 60k so far. (big deal) the actuators were cheap, get them from england at half the price and get a qualified local BMW specialist to do it in a morning for $500, you'll spend more on a Toyota Camry new set of shocks.
@@31acruz Maybe your just a few of the lucky ones with a reliable E60 M5
@@dzionisis maybe I just didn't believe the hype. I heard the same thing before I bought my E46 M3, and 1988 Porsche 911 Cabriolet, few issues if any. Many people who don't have the money or the balls to buy one of these cars, like to ruin it for everybody else, so they project their fears on others. Their thinking is "if I can't have it, no one will".. Take your time shopping, have our mechanic check it out (no seller objects to check ups as long as you pay for the $70) buy a car from a reliable owner, not some kid that red-lines it on a cold engine daily and you will be fine.
@@republicofu.s9642 hey dude, how do you check if your rod bearings are doing good?
Definitely a car worth hanging on to. Only a matter of time before they become collectible and this one is in impeccable condition
Sean Petersen at least 5 years from now! Same thing happened to E39 but E60 is whole other level of unreliability.
In 15 years they will be worth a fortune,classic collectable. I would use that on weekends only now,not daily....gorgeous example guys.
This is already happening in europe
"unreliability" ? the thing is been solid reliable since I bought it, if you take care of the car and do not do stupid things with it (like daily launches) the car is solid and dependable. Its my daily driver even in 8 degrees below zero weather.
Eh that's not really true. I own one as well. There is no fix for the rod bearings, SMG problems, other fairly expensive problem areas. Sure, you can just fix everything before it breaks, and you'll spend thousands and thousands a year anyway. I love my car, and I am hoping I don't have to sell it any time soon - but to pretend it's as reliable as anything else is just not true. And yes, I do daily mine, winter too. And I've got the repair bills to back up what I'm saying here.
Wow! Ferrari and F10 in the garage, e60 m5 as a "beater" talk about 1st world problems!!, good on you for looking after it though, these will appreciate as cars get more and more boring.
There will never be another V10 engined sedan.
In about 5-7 years, the market will realize just how good that engine is.
Meh....not sure.
i got 08 m5 with 60.000 miles no problem and its a manual the smg trani is really bad
It really isn't. It just needs to be shifted manually and in the right way.
Can get a sl v10 can get a vw v10 can get an audi s8 v10 he'll can get v12s as well.
It's not that hard to find a v10 more reliable.
Its just people love bmws and I agree this particular v10 is immense.
Just better on the wallet to get an s8.
Listening to the video it doesn't sound like it. Not unless you got some really deep pockets.
Own one, love it, maintenance continues, but it gives me goosebumps everytime I hit the M button
I have to say something about all this. I currently own my 2nd E60 M5, both bought used. I, for safety sake had my rod bearings replaced at 72K, one had minor scuffing. I have read numerous posts/blogs, where they say the bearings are to soft. NONSENSE. Living just outside the Seattle area for issues I don't trust my skills on, I use two independent BMW shops, Strictly BMW in Bellevue Wa, and Eastside Bavarian in Issaquah Wa. Both, and the M division of Seattle BMW have all told me the same thing. People do not know how to warm this engine up correctly before accelerating correctly. They think the temp gauge is water, it is not, it is oil, on the head up display the tach will stay in the yellow area 4/4.5Krpm until completely warmed, many, many owners don't do that. This engines redline is about 8,400rpm, if you go anywhere near that number before it is thoroughly warmed up, you are going to damage bearings. It is always helpful to read the manual with the car, but being men, most don't, they start it up, hit the highway/freeway and kick it in the caboose.
This video literally killed any hope of me buying a V10 M5/M6. I'd love to own one and don't mind DIY but this is just too much to worry over. (Love this channel btw).
Any M car requires frequent maintenance, but these things truly are over the top. Go get an E39 M5!
fr never mind im just getting a 3 series
I've read somewhere that only 2006-2008 years had the issue with the rod bearings, it might have only the 2006 year.
The connecting rod bearings are part # 11247841702 and 11247841703, top and bottom. They were used on every single S85 V10 and S65 V8 car that BMW made. There were no revisions, so all cars will be affected by pre-mature bearing wear.
I own one, 2006, no issues, awesome vehicle, if you research you will see all serious problems and there is only a few of them can all be fixed within$2-$5K if you get one $70K discounted, say you pay $20, you area way ahead of the game! hell its the low price you can get them for right now that makes them so irresistible and great proposition. But if you are still scared, this car is not for you, there are always Honda Accords out there lol happy motoring!
Hey man, just came across your channel while looking at E60 videos. Excellent video style and extremely informative!
Thank you! I appreciate the kind feedback
Wow. What a bank drainer! The Anthracite 2000 looks amazing. Hurry up on that video please:)
First off I must say, the best looking 06 M5 out there. Now, my question is the rod bearing job with the oil chain thing Vanos line and whatever for $3,200 was done in the dealer? Id guess not but would still like to get an answer from you. Thanks
most of the time the top bearings are more damaged compared to the bottom ones (they get all the force when the piston comes down). great job man, you can clearly see you love these cars. I have never seen a M5 E60 with no errors :)
Thankful my LCI E60 M5 was under factory warranty. Been there - done that and didn’t lose my shirt. Wowzer.
The E60 is awesomely sorted. Good idea to install 4 brand new wheel hub bearing assemblies with that mileage. It may surprise you how smooth the ride and handling improves.
I recently replaced the rotors and gave all 4 bearings an inspection. None of them show any signs of wear or needing replacement yet.
what kinda tint is on that 2000 m5? i coundnt hear you but it looks really good
I like your videos the cars are just amzingly maintained . Also I just feel peace in that dream neighborhood 😀
Great video! That is a massive amount of maintenance.
Look at Exotic Car Play Place. He has figured out that the rod bearing issue is directly related to using oil that is too thick. The 10w/60 that BMW used and recommended for these engines is far too viscous for an engine that has internal tolerances as tight as the S-85 or S-65. He's not the only one who has determined that switching to 0w/30 or 40 will make that engine as reliable and durable as any Honda. This also effects the life of the VANOS pumps.
Absolutely love the detail in your videos. Perfect for OCD and detail oriented people like myself. Damn though 80k on rod bearings your dad run 6000 rpm all day?
Thanks for the feedback! Actually, quite the opposite. It very rarely exceeds 4,000RPM. Most of it's live is cruising along on the highway at 80mph in 7th gear.
E39Source I guess my humor is too abstract.... I know it’s a bad design I watched the video lol. And I knew this before the video from another owner. I was just playing.
Unplug the IBS Cable in the boot that's connected to your battery...it helps with loads of electric gremlins...I had a bmw m6 and did this...game changer...
Hehe, you end an E60 review video with a walkaround of the E39.... it really shows which 5 series generation is the true beauty.
Damn, you keep it real. Love the video!
So E39 M5 is still the way to go. Got ya!
amazing detail, are the bearings done from under the car? the price is way cheaper than a v8 valve seals job
Yes, front subframe removal is required though.
I just bought 1 of these with 41k miles its so lovely I wish you would have provided links for lights
Great content for those of us thinking about an E60
honestly idc about the issues this car has i love it and ill get one in 1 or 2 years
Did you hit that m5 yet
What shop did you get the rod bearings done at?
E39 is stunning
Subbed. Despite the content, which is great, I like the way you speak through the video, not much editing, cut.
Omg 😲 I didn't buy an m5 e39 because of the maintenance but holy crap the e60 seems like a nightmare! I'm kool with my 525 and 540, wrenching on these cars is not to bad
Is it possible to change out the rod bearings without pulling the engine? This car can survive in So. Cal-anywhere else it would be junked. I live near Boston-and old Bimmers are never seen (they rot away due to wintertime slat).
Yes, the connecting rod bearings can be changed by relatively simply dropping the front subframe. Engine can certainly stay in the car.
Best spoken person I have ever heard!
That's sure in fantastic condition, love the color --I watch Exotic Car Play place and he does his share of E-60 vids, he also talks about rod bearing issue issues though he hasn't had any YET but he did the actuators, basically its an expensive to maintain 4 door toy and owners need to be prepared to take a huge loss when selling especially if they bought new. Sad such a beautiful car is plagued with some many 'issues' thus making resale very lowHow is the performance of the F-10 VS the E-60?
F10 makes worlds more power and torque throughout the entire rev band. E60 really only makes respectable power above 6,000RPM.
Agree with TheBimmerMan
As you have access to all 3 models, you should produce a series of comparison videos. Maybe one on the interior, one for the exterior, one for the engine, drive-ability, practicality ect I mean we know which one will win...:) but would be entertaining!
A different style video for E39 source Maybe. Either way I love this site! Cheers Ryan...Paolo
I was actually considering a Jaguar XFR over one of these or a E63AMG. That V10 going through rod bearings is just too much for me to consider one as a daily driver.
If I can figure out how to get the viper v10 to work in this car I'd get one in a heartbeat. Anybody got any ideas on defeating or gutting the CanBus?
The only thing I don't like about my LCI E60. If it has Bi-Xenons, then only one bulb/LED lights both rings and the way it's positioned, it illuminates the inner rings brighter than the outer ones. The Halogen headlights however, for some bizarre reason has separate bulbs/LEDs illuminating each ring.
Great video, I live in Southern California (Rancho Cucamonga) can you recommend a good bmw shop to do my rod bearings? As I want to get mine done because I don't have any records to know if they've ever been done. New owner of my e60 M5 (1 month now) and I want to prevent ruining my motor.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Thanks
Sorry for the delay. Shady Hassan from Speed Haven is a good bet!
@@E39Source Great Thanks and no problem on the response time. Much appreciated 🙏🏿
Love how far from the kerb the e39 ended up
What rod bearings did you go with? If its not BE Bearings, is there a reason why you did not choose extra clearance? Do you think an aftermarket warranty would make sense with this car?
Factory rod bearings. Aftermarket parts are just a gray area. The OE ones are a known quality, even if they require replacement every ~80k miles.
Owning one of these with any kind of capable warranty would be very wise.
Quick question for you: How do I check if my suspension is still good on my e60 M5?
I've had mine since new, an '06 as well, and I feel like they've hardened over the years.
Thanks and great vids.
A visual inspection of everything is the best way to determine that. Get under the car and inspect the bushings for signs of cracks/leaking/wear. Make sure that struts rebound without extra bouncing too.
Thank you!
Beautiful, well-cared for example. Great looking car. Video does a great job of outlining why the value is where it is...too bad. That V-10 is a wonderful sounding engine.
What was the shop in down south? Not everyone wants to do the bearings without taking the motor out and go through the whole deal for ~7k.
B&B Autohaus did the labor.
i ve been cloning my 530 msport to an m5 but i wonder if the real thing is too much work or should i just jump to the e60
E39 530i? Real E60 M5s are VERY maintenance-intensive. Just get an E39 M5 and live the good life.
Hey I also live in San Diego and own a 2007 E60 m5 with 101,000 miles on it and since I will probably be needing to change my rod bearings after I do an oil analysis. I was wondering where you went to get the rod bearings replaced for $3200.00. Also I was wondering your thoughts on getting aftermarket rod bearings? By the way you did an excellent job with the video.
I look forward to your response.
Alex
Hi Alex, we went to B&B Autohaus on Balboa avenue. I don't know if aftermarket bearings are even available. But if they were, I doubt that I'd use them. Even stock ones get a solid 75k, which is 6-10 years of normal driving.
It is not a matter of if, but when the rod bearings will go, or the throttle bodies. I instead bought an E55 and it hauls with simple mods.
That's very true. You're best to just replace the throttle body actuators and rod bearings every ~90,000 miles.
Hey are there any plans to buy the F90 M5?
Wow, really cool video. Regarding the rod bearings- I could have sworn there was an aftermarket solution that addressed the abnormally short wear. I suppose BMW wouldn't warranty that. Kind of sad though considering Honda has been putting 8000 RPM engines in cars 1/5th the price for 30 years. Nothing like an M5 though.
Gary, just a quick question since you mention transmission, are you considering manual swap? Asking because someone with another channel feels that engine's power characteristics aren't really best suited for the manual transmission ratios, just your thoughts
I have heard that from a people as well. To me it sounds like somebody's reason to convince themselves that the 7-speed SMG is worth keeping. Eve if the gear ratios aren't quite as suiting, the driving experience and reliability of the manual would make it 100% worth it to me.
Been trying to get in touch to see if you going to sale
I drive a 2005 Altima 3.5L with 142,000 all original miles on all shocks, motor, trans, ALL accessories, electrical parts, etc. Brakes, tires, oil, and use. 12 years of everyday back and forth. Seriously the most reliable car I've ever owned. It's not babied either.
Very nice video and car!!
Ha! Totally thought that diesel noise at the end of the vid was HORRENDOUS Vanos noise on the e39 m5 and then i saw the delivery truck... great vid as always Ryan.
Thank god that was not the case! And thank you, Stephen
I found 2006 m5 At 153000km. Clean title. Selling for 20k$ CAD. What do you think about price and mileage and what to look for?
It desperately needs rod bearings if they haven't been done yet. Otherwise if the car is clean, that doesn't seem too high.
hi I've the same E60 (2009 model), I;ve the same problem with the rear windscreen shield. May I know where can we find the rear windscreen shield online.
Are you referring to the rear windshield rubber seal/gasket? If so, it is BMW part # 51317027916 and is available here: bit.ly/36nh75Y
What a great video.
So clean
At 13:56, are you installing a DCT from an E9X M3 or a 6 spd manual from a manual E60 M5?
We would definitely prefer the real manual gearbox.
You're right Ryan! A 6 speed manual would be great for an E60 ///M5! Plus the manual ones are hard to find, but you can do a SMG to manual tranny swap though.
Rod bearing are good to go for another 85k - so a 4K issue every 75k miles? Not too bad considering what you can buy these for.
Might be an old BMW, ,but were will you get a car that still looks great with 507hp for maybe $10000
e60 m5 Beater?
Wow. I did not realize the door panels were redesigned during this series.
One thing i hate is the pre lci door hands in the interior. I hate that so much. I prefer the post lci doors
I would say pretty normal maintenance for a V10 from 2006. And they will also be appreciated!!!
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing.
I'm trading in my BMW for a totally different brand. Although they look fantastic and are extremely fun to drive, they eventually reach a point where they lose tremendous value (as you pointed out), and I can no longer justify the cost of repairs. It would be a tad easier if I was retired... I could do the work myself. But, I'm ready to move on.
A very good and detailed video👍 I heard you say it's still for sale for a right price, and with all the maintenance that's been done to it would be probably well worth it. What's the sale price on it now. Please let me know as soon as you can. Thank you.
Probably about $30,000.
E39Source Yea $30 is a bit high since the 2013 F10 M5 is around $40 with higher millage like 80k on it now a days. Still worth it with all the maintenance that was done to it.
Yeah we don't expect to sell it for that, and even if somebody offered cash theres a good chance we'd still decline. Seeing that the last 12 months have seen over $11,000 in maintenance and improvements.
Quick question does these cars come with a mpm module ?
Good question, I am not familiar with that, sorry!
This car is mint just keep the beast
Fuel pump (in the fuel tank) will go soon too, if not already!
Thanks for the video and talking me out of making a huge mistake.
@14:44 I thought the diesel sound was coming from the vanos haha but it was just the truck
Hey! Did you ever sale that 2006 M5 if not iam interested in it
No, we still have it. The market is crap on the E60 M5, so we've decided to keep it and use it as a daily driver for now.
I have question , is the e60 m5 a v10 engine ?
yes..
Oh ya!
ghs77 LOL , funny hahaha
If you end up keeping it another 80k go BE bearings clearances are a bit better and should last longer.
Some cars are not meant to buy used. My 02 dodge neon still going strong.
Great looking car. I have a 2010 E-60. Just has 12K miles on it, garage queen big time. I bought it with 9K in 2012. No problem yet. I did just replace the battery and had the original tires replaced with the Pilot Sport 4S units. I used it for canyon fun runs to my sister in Acton so Angeles crest and Angeles forest hwy. Doing a track day at "Bimmerfest" at Cal. Speedway, my first track day tomorrow. Hope it does not let me down. Of about 60 BMW I'm the only E-60 on the rooster. Not a good sign. Oh well, I'm still going to hammer it.
Hey that's great! Sounds a beauty, enjoy it!
Report on track day..........
4 session, novice class, point by on 2 straight aways. Pushed hard, instruction at meeting told the crowd to turn on your driver aids on if you have them, so I did. Traction control light was on a lot in the corners. In the end I learn that it really hurts the drive out of corners by not letting the engine power up even if you have the pedal pressed.Light on dash had to go off that traction control off before engine was allowed to make good power. It would go into a limp mode kinda thing when light was on. I wanted to go fast from the get go so the cars electronics were saving me big time. I'm sure if anti lock and DCS were off I would had spun. If I do it again the DCS will be off and will have to learn the limits by slowing advancing my skills. Only one car needed a point by . It was a old M3 gutted with roll cage and he got me in the corners but I had him in the straights. Late braking was where everybody was blowing it. They broke way to early and I was hammering it. I was a blast. I have stock exhaust so very hard to ear shift points so I hit the rev limiter once. My new tires took a beating. If it means anything my time was 2:06 sec. I was hanging it out big time except in the nascar oval turn. 140mph in but hit the brakes slightly before the apex and little power out. Lost time by being chicken there. I'm sure the tires and car had more.
Thanks for the report! Sounds like you learned a lot about your car and had a fun time. I've never tracked mine or been in one on a track, I guess it's just not my thing. Definitely a good, legal, and relatively safe place to feel out the limits though.
I have a 2010 e63 M6 with 37k miles , a check engine light due "increased emissions" came up last week while driving it . any advice? I still have the extended warranty. thank you, Ps. I had the same Silverstone blue E39 M5 as you for seven years! Thank you ,
Sam Toure if you still have warranty take it to the dealer asap and claim the problem under your warranty. It may just be due to your exhaust mods if you have any.
shadowp80 My exhaust is all stock, no mods. thank you,
Sam Toure if you don’t want to check it at the dealer just clear the code then. they’re can’t be anything else triggering it but an exhaust leak. Happy to help
Shouldn’t *
shadowp80 Thank you..
Nice improvements, I was wondering do all pre lci cars have reflectorless front bumpers?
Yes, I think the LCI cars got the reflectors in the bumpers.
Well... this certainly puts trying to speed-build a Perfect Grade Gundam into perspective. (I still want an E60...)
"its mechanically perfect"--- wait a week and you will get the BMW double dong of death.
What brand are the LED license plate light?
Just bay ones. Make sure you get 6,000k LED error-free bulbs. No brand is mentioned.
I’ll buy this beast!
Show me the moneyyyyy
What’s interesting to me is how the e60 M5 seems to get much more attention and wary attitudes from potential buyers than the e92 does which makes no sense at all. I still kind of want a 2002 m3/M5/z3 m coupe, and a 2008 variant of the same cars
I have the same exact car and color with 84,000 miles on it I'm also in Ohio but it is smoking out of the tail pipes whiteish blue color any ideas on what is going on it's funny though cause I started it this morning and it's not smoking anymore but I did lose a little power a couple weeks ago and it was smoking really bad but not today any suggestions or ideas,,?
That sounds like an oil leak inside the engine. Pull the spark plugs and check for oil in the spark plug wells, you could have bad valve cover gaskets which are leaking and fouling the plugs, causing a poor-running engine. You could also have bad valve seals- but that's not super common on the S85 V10, and oh man would that suck.
@@E39Source oh man it all sounds bad lol but I will definitely check now let me ask you this the car is in great condition body wise and interior with a clean title it has 84000 miles on it the only problem with it is the smoking now that being said is there anyway you could tell me roughly what it is worth as is it's in great condition I just have no ideo what it's worth or how to even go about valuing it
@@DavidSanchez-hn6dj I haven't checked the market on these for a while. Just go to cars.com and look for similar cars. 2006-2007 M5s with similar miles in similar condition.
May I know where's this car now? And what's that color ? I look like grey but Silverstone
It's with us in San Diego still, in significantly better condition than when this video was filmed!
@@E39Source do you have an Instagram with picture of the car? I still don't understand what color is it
@@javierjimenez3627 It is Silverstone Metallic II. I can email you more photos ryan@e39source.com
$3200 wow. I was thinking you was going to say $5,000. When that engine came out I didn't like it because it was peaking too high to only make 500 hp. I had the chance to buy an 07 but I checked the oil cap and the sludge was milky. I thought the head gasket was weak.
The E60 M5 will be a future classic hang on to it!! Look at the original M3!! $$$$$$
Lovely car but they are very tempremental. I had the E63 M6 for 18 months and it went back to the main dealer 8 times to have something fixed.
Clutch
Flywheel
Clutch position sensor
Parking sensor
Power steering pump failure
Throttle actuators
Thermostat
Lower radiator
VANOS valves replaced
Fortunately all under warranty but it made resent the car and ultimately get rid of it.
They are EPIC when working though and that V10 is glorious at full chat but never again for me.
You had a warranty so what was the worry? It can be rather annoying going back and forth to the dealer but definitely worth it!
How can I contact you to talk about the car?
ryan@e39source.com
why so much I wonder, here in Michigan we can get it done for $1300 parts and labor included.
For Genuine BMW/Hella parts? If that's the case, it cost your shop thousands of dollars to install that for you.
..as I said, parts "and" labor, out the door price.
Are you talking about LCI head/tail lights, or rod bearings
What did the rod bearings cost you?
$3300 or so.
You invested so much money in this engine. Wouldn't it be better decision if you put new engine in it since bmw still sales them ?
It would cost significantly more
OK, I'll take it! Beautiful m5. I just needs to be painted black.
Are 08 m5’s more reliable ?
Nope. Same S85 engine, same SMG. They did get nicer headlights and tail lights though.
Wait... You need to code a new battery change? Is that really necessary, or just a precaution in case of the electronics flipping out?
Yeah, this is why I don't personally like new cars as much. If you don't code the new battery, the alternator will not adjust to 'how it likes to be charged' and the new battery won't last very long.
Only put the best oil in! There are huge differences in oil film strength between what we think that should be a better oil, and what really is! There are huge variations across the same brand!
Quiz... which one has better oil film strength/which one would you buy?
Who can get 5 out of 5? The oil film strength across all of the oils below is as much as 5 times different.
1. Motul 8100 X-clean C3 5W40 or Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5W40
2. Castrol Magnatec C3 5W40 or Valvoline MaxLife 5W40
3. Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 or Mobil 1 ESP 0W40
4. Shell Helix Ultra ECT C3 5W30 or BMW TwinPower Turbo LongLife-04 5W30
5. Mobil Super 3000 X1 5W40 or Millers oils Nanodrive EE Longlife 5W40
Still bought one...
did the $3200 include labor? (you didn't say)
Yes, bottom line.
thanks
wow.. 3 grand every 100k and I get to drive a $95K car, and you say they did it in 2 days on top of it?? nice! I spend that on a l simple ski trip ! I also researched SMG and throttle actuators all these fixes are between $3 - $5K and when you factor in the fact that you can get these for $20K (I bought one with 38K for $22k this year) I am still about $75 ahead of the game making this car extremely cheap to own!! As far as the insurance company deeming the car nothing if an air bag goes off, who cares what they think? I am not 'selling' to them, they don't judge driving enjoyment, to them its just a number on a sheet of paper, I bought this beauty to drive it, don't let them in influence you as to the real value of a $95k solid super-car with a Williams Formula one technology engine. Happy motoring and thanks again for the awesome videos, keep up the good work.
You're completely right! It's absolutely worth it if you love the car enough. I've always made the same points with the E39.
31acruz I’m glad that’s the case for you but for most people buying this car they’re buying it as a 10-20k car & aren’t able to much less prepared to maintain it like a $75k car, his point was if you buy an there’s no reason to worry about the mod increasing the chance of the passenger airbag going off because you’re m5 for 13k was just totaled out, and for 99% of people that means they’re either turning it over to insurance to write a check, can’t or won’t buy it back because it can’t or won’t be insurable, or again simply don’t have the money to repair a totaled car out of pocket. For those that do great, well done, that’s awesome, but for the vast majority his points are valid & solid advice. Most people certainly don’t expect to put damn near half the value of a car into maintenance/repairs every few years they own it
Does the LCI M5 E60 get a hp increase ?
No, there were no engines changes. All are rated at 507HP I believe.
nope
I want one now