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BibleLine Mailbag 3 | Sinful lifestyles, David Benjamin and Gregg Jackson, and Clarity on Salvation
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Question 1: Can someone be saved if they do not give up certain sins?
Question 2: What do we think about "hyper grace" viewpoints that seem to be posed by teachers such as "Sniffing Out Pharisees?" Also mentioned: David Benjamin, Gregg Jackson and Petra Renatus.
Question 3: Is a person saved if they currently trust in confession, turning from sin AND Jesus? How can we be sure a person is saved?
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Clearly you have not done your due diligent regarding Greg Jackson. While there are a couple of things that I don't agree with him on, He is very clear on the Gospel of Jesus and His finished work alone. I have to wonder if you even took much time to listen to Him. Don't accuse people of things without knowing for sure their stance.
Gregg adds CONFESS To the Gospel. He believes that 1st John 1:9 was written to UNBELIEVERS. Check Middle East meltdown NO 3 out by Andy Woods and you can see, he's saying that 1 John 1:9 was written to Unbelievers. @savedInANanosecond.
@@user-tb5gq7kp5u😂 ok
No he's not
@@Andrewelite Yes he wrote that. Check it out for yourself.
Gregg Jackson teaches and promotes hyper-grace. He is saved and understands the gospel.
But after a person is saved there are things God wants us to do. Believers will be rewarded for works done with the proper motivation.
Gregg Jackson And David Benjamin are both on the level. They don't discount good living, they hammer the distinction between salvation and discipleship however.
In the months I've consumed their content they've never advocated for sinful living in any way. They are against the Ray Comforts of the world, and the Pharisees that think "thank you God I'm not like THAT sinner".
Read db's books. He mixes salvation with the Christian life
no they say the Christian life is salvation. i've studied the teachings of DB. he literally teaches that salvation is not the forgiveness of sins and thinks the Christian life is salvation. i've read quotes from his actual books and he's talked about this in his community posts. they literally teach 0 fear of the Lord. No reverence to Him whatsoever. the Lord rebuke him
Jesse is pretty clear in his assessment. In our observation, it seems that DB and GJ have the issues concerning James, Rewards, 1 John and a handful of other things out of wack. We believe it is due to their lack of understanding the scriptures.
- Trent
@@BibleLine
Yes!
DB and GJ claim that James was "confused" when he wrote the book of James. In other words, they don't believe in the inerrancy of Scripture.
@@BibleLine You people are clearly liars who misrepresent what their positions are.
@1:45 everyone lives a life of sin and will continue to live a life of sin until their flesh is dead. Committing one less sin than another person does not make you any better than the other person.
Correct and 1CORINTHIANS 3 talks about loss of rewards for the carnal Christian. Plus Paul says in romans why should we continue to live in sin in romans 6,7. Who loves the physical outcome of sin anyways: untimely death from drugs, disease from sexual promiscuity, jailtime for breaking laws, and loneliness for treating people in a carnal selfish way.
Uh thats why it's called wisdom....
You want to have a bad time here as a christian? Have at it but it won't be fun or rewarding. God bless!
Right but God cares for us and he will chastise us when we do bad things
@@baconhair5609 I agree.
@@baconhair5609 why are we always looking at God being mad at us? He’s not mad at us at all. Your sins are small. You’re focusing on the wrong thing.
@@baconhair5609 Before you were a believer. When you got into trouble with those of the world. Did those consequences not bother you? Those consequences that made you realize you were wrong for your words, actions, or both. Were disciplines that were held to you by people. But ultimately, who inspired those people to hold you accountable? That was God. The very people who corrected us as unbelievers, always did it out of love for wanting you to be better. That's how God works through mankind in this world.
The moment God takes away his holy spirit from this earth, those very people who witness our wrongful actions will show justice back by the same actions as revenge onto us without restraint. Which will display the world as Hell on earth.
Sin will always be about until God eradicates it from eternity. As a Christian, or non-Christian. Sin will always be abound to you to fall into, and whether you mean to do it or not. God still loves you, and not only that. He forgives you, but sometimes when you stray too much, for too long. He will see you out for a means of worldly correction and discipline by using those closest to you as a means to correction through consequences. For consequences are the only way to make a person wake up to themselves from the state their in.
As long as you believe in Jesus Christ, your Sins will be forgiven, and forgotten at judgement. If you don't believe, then you have everything to worry about.
You can never perfect the flesh to make it acceptable ever! Any reliance on your own self-righteousness = shine that cup!
For salvation, yep, you are completely right. We cannot rely on any fleshly works to get our way to heaven. That much is clear. Eph. 2:8-9.
Jesse isn't saying we can perfect the flesh.. what are you even talking about? Shine that cup? 🤣
These frauds think that God’s only good enough to save us, but the christian walk is all about us. Thinking that we can put God in our debt.
@@Ruben27780 I agree! They are back loaders of works! fruit inspectors. Live by Faith!
We do not teach a reliance upon our own self-righteousness. Salvation never hinges on any loading of works. Nonetheless, to walk in the spirit (after being saved), you must choose to yield yourself to him. You must decide to make the right decisions, and one may call that works. That plays no part with regard to your justification before God. It is your practical day to day sanctification. It’s the 1 John fellowship aspect. We should suppress the “cup” - our flesh if you will - and choose to obey the Lord by submitting to the Spirit.
- Trent
"They take grace to the furthest extreme"... erm, I think Abba does that too you know!
@conorthompson943 No.
Hyper-grace says that the Father always approves of the believer, irregardless of walk. That is not true. A believer is always in the family of God, but not always approved. Biblical grace includes chastisement when believers get out of line.
Hyper-grace isn't biblical grace. If you are without chastisement, you must have a different father than the One in the Bible.
"But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons." (Hebrews 12:8)
They don't believe in serving God!
@FaithAloneSavesForever chastisement isnt "punishment" it is discipline and we "hyper-gracers" believe in that. Obviously. You people are just creating a strawman because by your definition of these terms you show you dont understand it. It isn't there isnt chastisement or that God hasn't prepared works for us, it's the the means and the end of that chastisement/discipline are the same. That is that by way of discipline God shows you even more and more how you are sinful and in dyer need of the savior incontrast to the worlds idea that YOU can accomplish it, you can do it. Rather in Christ the more you let go and stop "working" the more His powerbis manifest and you actually bare fruit unto to God from a place of rest. Not you saying I'm gona do the works and im going to please God and recieve a wage. It doesn't work like that. Anything you do in that mindset you are doing it in the flesh. It us who glory not in the flesh but rather we hear and believe and recieve in God's do time both what to want to do and also WHAT to do as it is Him working in and through us.
In other words You guys wanna see tangible work?And you ignore that god might be doing a totally different work , and a person might be something a subtle and as simple as something in their hearts that they've been dealing with their whole lives yet you might not see this "big change".
Nevertheless we are encouraged unto good works as long as we have this hope.
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain?
Theres paul teaching the same....by the way Paul was a hyper grace preacher.
The Greek words hyper and perisseúō combined in the phrase hyperperisseúō translates to "hyper abounded" or "super abounded". Paul the apostle uses this phrase in reference to "grace hyper abounding" or "hyper grace"
@@gregorylatta8159yes we do thats a false accusation I serve God in man ways but not I but Christ in me. What we argue is that when you say serve you mean just do a bunch of Good things, what we mean is do those things that are done only by faith in Jesus as justification and salvation and what He works in you when you are in complete faith knowing you do nothing. It's avery sutle difference but Paul speaks it this way.
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain?
@@FaithAloneSavesForever what you talking about "approves"?! Show me what verses you get this idea/word from
We are righteous and sanctified as Christ. Can’t get anymore complete than that. Just renew your mind in the Grace that has done that, who is Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 1:30 + Colossians 3:10
Amen!
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The whole tirade made no sense; according to the video chastening is between you and God but also somehow very public. It came across as very Calvinist in nature; that if you aren’t feeling chastisement, you should be questioning your status in Christ.
That’s not what was said at all. Chastisement is not the proof of your salvation. Jesus Christ is why you’re saved, if you’ve believed in him.
The works done or not done after salvation have no bearing on salvation. Chastisement simply WILL come to believers who walk in their flesh.
- Trent
@@BibleLine’Chastisement will come’ sounds a lot like it’s proof of your salvation.
Sin debt paid in full. Sometimes we sin without even realizing it. Sometimes in our fleshes weakness we sin, and sometimes habitually, I believe that is known as iniquity. However, if Jesus blood and Resurrection didn't cover our sins we are still sinners and still in our sins and doomed for hell. No matter how "good" anyone thinks they are, we will never be "good enough" in God's perfect view. Sin is called falling short. James 2:10 If any man keeps the whole law, but offends in any one of them, he is guilty of all. This verse shows why ALL of us need the Savior. The Hardest part for men and women is admitting we are not good, we are sinners, and believing Jesus died for those sins. Once we swallow our pride and realize we have fallen short, and no matter how "good" or righteous we think we are receive that Gospel by faith, we are sealed. Rely on The Savior, not we the sinners. To God be the Glory.
I liked listening to your teachings, until you started falsely accusing David Benjamin and Gregg Jackson. I've listened to hundreds of hours of their teachings, including numerous teachings on the book of James, and responses they gave to some negative feedback about their views on James. Sadly, you took the same bait from the enemy, and are falsely accusing them based on a straw-man argument. Just as I've heard so called discernment ministries (mostly reformed Calvinists) accuse you, Ralph Yankee and other OSAS and easy believism teachers of preaching a false gospel and license to sin, based on straw-man arguments, you just did the same to David, Gregg and Petra.
They falsely accuse us of Galatian error. David believes we preach a false gospel because we believe James 2 does not contradict Roman’s 4. I listened to his latest video on James 2 where he makes this claim.
Will you stop listening to them due to their constant slander of us, Yankee, Onorato, Cucuzza and others? They attacked us for no reason a year ago. It was wild.
- Trent
@@ScottWLyonsIf he doesn't, it definitely says A LOT.
I love this channel so much. Thank you for being here
We are not sinners because we sin.
We sin because we are sinners.
One cannot stop sinning while one remains in this corruptible and corrupted flesh.
The standard is perfection.
The standard is NOT “doing better”.
The standard is NOT “sinning less”.
The standard is perfection.
Jesus Christ is our perfection.
Jesus Christ is our justification.
Jesus Christ is our redemption.
Jesus Christ is our salvation.
Jesus Christ is our righteousness.
Perfectly. Completely. Eternally. Period.
The standard for salvation is perfection, yes.
Spot on
- Trent
@@nathangreenwood580 Amen!!
@@nathangreenwood580 Colossians 2:10
and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
1 Corinthians 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
This is what DB teaches. This guy made nothing accept false accusations.
@@Ruben27780 Do you believe that 1st John was written to unbelievers as GJ has stated?
You said you didn't know concerning what Greg is teaching so how do you openly rebuke someone in ignorance. I've never heard him ask for money unlike so -called preachers like you. You should know what you are rebuking beforehand.
Yankee does not teach to work for salvation or work to prove salvation. He does correctly teach that God chastens his disobedient children for sins and can take your physical life because you won't heed the chastening.
Yankee teaches against fruit inspecting.
@@albertjmajor1973 so Jesus paid for all our sins by his blood and we have the imputed righteousness of Jesus and God says he remembers our sins no more but he then punishes us for sin and will even take our live...I don't think so.
The word chastisement means the full training and instruction of children. And God doesn't kill His Children. We can have earthly consequences for bad choices but thats not God doing it to us. Matter of fact scripture says to boldly come to the throne of Grace in our time of need.
1 Cor 5:5 Says it’s a possibility. That person isn’t going to hell, just coming home to heaven a little early
@@victorialdavis9221 It is about discipleship (spiritual growth for believers after they are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone). It is not about spiritual birth or salvation. That’s why you don’t understand the big difference between the two like those hyper grace folks MISUNDERSTOOD!
@@Jahvari215 People need to see the big difference between Ephesians 2:8-9 and Ephesians 2:10. The problem is that most false religions like hyper grace movement MISUNDERSTOOD the big difference between the two. Jehovah’s Witnesses mix service with salvation. That’s sad 😔
@@albertjmajor1973 and what do you consider spiritual growth?
Very eye-opening, keep up the good work. May God bless this ministry in Jesus' name.
Pastor Jesse, i watch your videos and Gregg Jackson and i have seen David Benjamins videos on the book of James. DB does not say James isnt inspired, quite the contrary. He does cite where Paul rebuked Peter for caving in to the Judaisers who were sent by James who were teaching circumcision and mixing in the Jewish Law for salvation. He is only saying that James' own disciples were mistaking his teachings on grace-works salvation. GJ's videos focuses on salvation through faith alone. He explains why he does this having spent the better part of his life under the same Calvinistic doctrine that keeps most believers from experiencing Gods grace. Now these guys can defend themselves but i can tell you thay i habe sen Daniel comment some weird.stuff on their videos. Dont know if it is the same guy but a lot of these questions seem to lack informed understanding of Gods word. GJ does not condine or promote sin living. He does promote living a life of thanksgiving and letting God reward eternally those who live in his grace.
"DB does not say James isnt inspired, quite the contrary"
uhhhh.. he teaches James was in error and was a false teacher.. teaching a works based gospel. yea that would mean he believes James is uninspired by the Holy Sprit. James is the LITERAL author of the book of James. why would God allow James as an author of his own book to teach a false gosepl? the answer is God wouldn't. Benjamin has no idea what he's talking about and is a literal cult leader
I love Jesse's videos but I think he's not completely informed on GJ. I've watched all of these guys and it seems videos are made about on other creators without really knowing their positions on scripture taking one video out of context. DB comes out and says the Book of James is inspired. He does note what you said when Paul rebuked Peter and James disciples.
@@christianforreal please cite the video where he says this? If this is a true claim then be more specific on where he claims it's false?
@@JokersWild139 read his book "james trouble"
@@AppalachianHistoryDetectives Gregg jakson believes that unbelievers need to confess their sins in order to be saved. He said that 1 John was written to UNBELIEVERS. Gregg is accursed for adding confess to the Gospel of grace.
I do know at one point in the past Gregg shares the Gospel correctly. I have not listened in awhile. The chastening of the Lord is personal. I found out that our obediance to our calling really matters to the Lord. I also learned that our calling and good and necessary works are two different things...
Many can’t accept the simplicity of salvation so they come up with straw mans, front loading, backloading, ignore God’s chastisement, the transformation from the Holy Spirit and the words of Paul. Gatekeeping salvation brings confusion and a spirit of fear. Salvation is a gift and brings Joy. God’s grace brings peace and ends anxieties. Praise God and give thanks to him!
Yes. These are the works of faith. Peace. Joy. Freedom. Forgiveness of sins. These are the works we do by preaching the gospel. Every Christian with the gospel of God coming out of their mouths is doing works. This is in no way saying our works save us. But God’s work saves us. These are the good works we were created in Christ Jesus to do. So everyone fighting over works Vs no works need to relax & realize YES we are doing good works by preaching the gospel, the works of GOD, not our flesh. ONLY God is GOOD. This is why it’s called GOOD WORKS. The flesh profits nothing. When referring to Christian works we are in no way referring to our dead works of the flesh, but the work of God’s grace accomplished through faith in Christ Jesus.
Don't let these DB worshippers discourage you from preaching the truth. Great video as always!
Gregg Jackson teaches a clear as a bell Gospel. How can you not know that if you investigated him? The Gospel is what saves. Id rather believe in grace alone and possibly be wrong on other theology, than to mix faith plus works and end up in Hell.
We know they preach the gospel clearly. They have just compounded great confusion among other areas.
- Trent
@@BibleLine The devil loves confusion. I believe everyone is more on the same page than realized. Have a great weekend Trent.
Love you guys!!
He promotes David Benjamin's teaching and DB has a false gospel. claiming Jesus needed to partake in salvation. wicked. gregg may have taught the true gospel at one time. but as long as he's promoting this cult leader DB i wouldn't listen to him
@@christianforreal what?????????? that a blasphemy, telling that Jesus needed to partake in salvation.
@@user-tb5gq7kp5u yes it is. I literally have a video about that on my channel with proof he believes that
why do you equate chastening to punishment? This is a human mindset which does not line up with the nature of God. Yes he does chasten (paideuo in the Greek). ie correct/instruct/teach. That is what chastening is. It’s not God making you sick to teach you a lesson or killing you. It is him instructing you in righteousness, because you are his child. If you sin… he instructs in righteousness. If you stumble… he corrects in righteousness. All to lead to spiritual growth, which is the fruit of righteousness. The reason it is sad/painful in the moment is because you realise that you have fallen short of who you are, but it leads to repentance and thus fruit of righteousness/spiritual growth because you have now learnt not to do that again.
I hadn’t known about David Benjamin until I came across some of his videos literally this morning 😂 but from what I’ve seen he is teaching truth, about the nature of God and about the nature of the believer. A flawed understanding of the true nature of God would lead us to read our ideas into the text. This is what the Old Testament fathers and the nation of Israel did. They saw God as a tyrant who needed to be appeased by sacrifices (even though he did not desire them - Psa 40:6; Psa 51:16; Hos 6:6; Jer 7:21-23; Heb 10:4-10). They saw God as one who kills even though Satan is the one who kills, steals and destroys. God is the one that gives life and provides an escape from temptation. God would never use the means of the devil to teach his children.
Well, allow me to throw out any notion of these words “punishment, chastening and condemnation” as being hell or separation from God spiritually. This would be in the context of an already saved person. I’m sure we agree that there is no eternal hell or condemnation set out for the saved believer in Christ.
Nonetheless, we use the term punishment and chastening (even Romans 8:1 refers to condemnation being possible for the believer who is fleshly - again, not eternal condemnation) pretty interchangeably.
We know that everything God does is righteous, and he cannot sin against us.
1 Cor. 11 makes it clear that God brought sickness, weakness and even death upon some who had sinned.
God brought death to Ananias and Sapphira.
God was very much not pleased with Simon the sorcerer.
1 John makes mention of a sin unto death for the believer. We tend to think this is an amount of sin as opposed to a specific sin.
Hebrews 12 details the chastening hand of God that can be quite severe. It is NOT fun at all. It’s not wrong to say that is punishment toward the believer for living fleshly or backsliding doctrinally.
Hebrews 10 details God as a “consuming fire,” and this is very much in reference to “his people.”
1 Cor. 10 details catastrophic and deadly events that came upon those who disobeyed in the wilderness.
Yes, God is a loving Father, but part of that love is pouring out consequences for our often fleshy, unbelieving, rebellious decisions! To split a hair concerning our word choice is something I desire you to be unconcerned with. We hear you, we do.
- Trent
Trent, in love. In what world was Ananias and Sapphira saved. And none of your cross references not one point to the conclusions you make or teaching your trying to support that there is even more punishment for sins of the flesh after Jesus Christ paid it all and became our chastisement of peace. You really Do not understand what chastisement is and you put people back under the law which was done away with.
Free grace is way wrong on chastisement and rewards. David gets James and psalms incorrect.
I suggest anyone who reads this fact check these verses used and do ya own study and let the bible say what it says. Bc lighting bolts from God after calvary is unbiblical there isn't 1 single new testament example. Ananias and sapphira not saved.
How would it be “tempting the Spirit of the Lord” if they were not saved? Why also was there “great fear” that came upon the church? Why would believers need to fear?
Yes, Jesus was chastised for our sins. He paid our sin debt. Nonetheless, believers do still sin, and they sin often. Does God turn a blind eye? Positionally, we are in Christ, and that never changes.
It isn’t going under the law, but it is obedience through love. Love is the fulfilling of the law. Am I “putting you under the law” by quoting Christ when he says to love God and love neighbor? You must choose to do those things, unless you believe they come automatically.
- Trent
@BibleLine
It's all a choice but I reject your definition of love your neighor and lusts of the flesh.
And I ask you to explain the fear of the Lord and your first point bc I don't understand the point you making.
7:20 that’s if you backslide from faith trying to do the law, like I did. Christ and Paul always talked about right Spirit contrary to “right action”. “Let the inner part of you cup be clean”.
I remember how it happened to me, when I saw “so I can do whatever just hold onto that new Spirit inside of me, it cannot be, what about outside actions? “ And I didn’t trust it… and that very thing stumbled me, mistrust towards the Spirit of God, I backslid from holding on onto the Spirit of faith in Christ ”
Inner cup clean leads to outer cup clean. If not then the inner cup is unclean
@@Philip__325correct, but the Spirit of God, that’s Who we must hold on to first and foremost.
Salvation is about what's eternal. It covers the eternal consequences of sin, this life still has consequences until we die.
Amen brother. I have discussed this with them before also. They say Christ is our reward. No, Christ is our salvation, rewards are earned. First Corinthians 3:11-15. And there is the chastening of believers, who are living in sin. Colossians 3:5-6.
Case in point. First Corinthians 5:5. Turn such a one over to Satan to kill the flesh so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord. This was a born again believer who was sleeping with his fathers wife.
He was about to lose his life, and the rewards he could have had in heaven, but the man was still saved so as by fire. Only his rewards he could have had in heaven were burned up.
In second Corinthians the man got out of that sinful relationship and tried to come back in to fellowship with the church. Then, the church would not accept him back. Paul said the man has suffered enough, you need to let him back in.
They say Christ is our reward. They do not understand the discipline of God for living in sin. And rewards for service. It is true, God cannot lie. John 6:47. But there are rewards in heaven for the faithful in Christ Jesus. But once saved always saved is salvation by grace apart from any works. Romans 4:5-8. Romans 3:26-28. God cannot lie. John 6:40, and John 6:29. John 10:28-29. Hebrews 13:5. But God will discipline His children if we do not discipline ourselves.
Having been a child of God for 76 years, I have experienced the chastening of the Lord. If you have not the bible says we are bastards and not sons. The good news. Hebrews 13:5. He will never leave us or forsake us. He will never cast us out. John 6:37-39. John 10:28-29. No one can pluck us from His hand.
You guys are doing a great job! Your channel stands out as a great one for eternal security. I dont listen to the other channels being promoted in the comments so im not offended lol yankee arnold is great though!
@bibleline
You need to contact Gregg and speak to him personally.
Even do a video together going over what each of you believe and stand behind.
It's a great opportunity to repent and to show the body how brothers can talk things out in love and truth.
The truth of scripture in context
I’d love to see Gregg or DB debate Jesse or Trent on the Standing For Truth yt channel.
@@DaveSorenson me too
We wouldn’t mind doing that. We don’t even care to do things like that on camera. We called them out because it’s evident that their teaching is disrupting the body.
- Trent
@BibleLine I've only been watching Gregg for 3 or 4 weeks, and I have honestly been very impressed with his standing up for the truth of the gospel.
I haven't heard him say any of the things you brought up.
So, I'm not sure whether you actually have evidence of what you were saying about him or if you trusted someone else's word on the matter.
He made a video after yours refuting your video about him.
I think you should watch it and if need be, contact him.
And the only disruption that I could see Gregg causing would be to 'Christians' who have an issue with the message of grace.
I pray you guys can set an example for everyone and get this taken care of.
@@BibleLineyou're disrupting the body. For no reason too, as you made at least 6 false accusations against them. You should be better than this.
So this is a modern day pastor ? This channel is exactly why the church is divided. The channels you are attacking are great brothers and sisters . You made countless false accusations against them .
They claimed they barely teach the gospel which is a 100% falsehood.
Did David Benjamin at pages 11-12 of his book James Trouble contend that his interpretation of James was “no longer a secondary issue.”
Yes or no?
@@DaveSorenson Gregg is accursed for adding confess to the Gospel of grace.
@@ScottWLyons You are a liar as satan your father. GJ, DB and that foolish Petra are accursed for adding CONFESS to the Gospel. They said that 1st John was written to UNBELIEVERS which means they (unbelievers) need to confess their sins in order to be saved. They are enemies of the cross. You have been deceived.
@@DaveSorenson He has a video which I watched 2 years ago. He talked about 1st John was written to Unbelievers. Gregg is a liar. many have been correcting him on 1st John but he is unteachable. Ask him if 1st John 1:9 was written to believers or unbelievers?
The gospel is simple,getting saved is simple....but people have been taught man made doctrines...so many people are lost
So true!
Jesse, you say they spend to much time on the internet. Brother, check your pride right now because that is what you do. And it's not a shame for brothers spending their time on the internet preaching the gospel. It's the age and reach we live in. Love ya brother
Check your pride ur wrong on this too
@@Andrewelite😂
Jesse actually is the pastor of a local church dealing with real people in person. The Lord rebuke you. You're exposing your own pride
@@christianforrealreally! Is this what we do as Christians argue and rebuke? No wonder so many are done with the church. 😢
@@nobodieshome_ you won’t catch me in a physical building, that’s for sure.
This is a pittyful state of affairs .
In a court of law , you would have been laughed out of it.
Proof , evidence, statements,
Possibly links to videos, time stamps, anything, If not it's just hear say and speculation .
Pls help everyone one out,
My self included.
Blessing.
When I watch those hypergrace channel always get this odd feeling. Like I know they know the gospel and are saved. And I would agree with them more than a lordship salvationist who makes it all about behavior FOR SURE. Yet all these channels do is argue, bicker, call other human beings demons/devils, etc. Thumbnails with 666 over peoples heads (people who GOD created). I often see very bad fruit because their belief is "i'm saved no matter what" (which is true). However very little love for others, cursing freely to prove the point no works save etc. Corinthian church vibes. If I was a non-beliver their outward works would make me stumble and not look into Jesus because I would think they represent christians. Profitability unto men is important to be a disciple and someone who plants seeds for Christ
Couldn't agree more well said!
The people who place "Thumbnails with 666 over peoples heads (people who GOD created)" don't consider themselves "hyper grace" they are followers of this church. Jesse went on one of their livestreams which was in bad taste. Kowing what you know about them I am not convinced he didn't know what kind of content that produced. And the fact that they hearted your message is telling and if they're going to address one "clique" then why not address the error of the ones you associate yourself with.
I've noticed quite a few Hyper Grace people came out of Calvinism. I'm glad that God led me to brothers like you that helped ground me in proper exegesis before I was led astray by HG. Thank you for faithfulness in ministry.❤🙏❤
Good point. They seem to believe humans don't have free will and God will force them to walk in the Spirit. Lol but they're dead wrong. It's a choice we make to walk in the Spirit. And they don't like making that choice apparently 🤷🏽
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Great point!
Many who promote "hyper grace" seem to have been under the yoke of Calvinism earlier in life. I'm so glad they were led out of that false doctrine; but, seemingly have now "over corrected" into hyper grace.
@christianforrel You are so off, it's laughable
I get annoyed with Gabe the street preacher with his holier than thou approach. It’s clear he reads from the NLT, telling people they must turn or burn. He never gives the gospel, always condemns like he has it together. Love to see a video on his unbiblical approach
I agree, Jesus didn't come to condemn and neither should we. Gabe always goes to pride events which irks me a bit. Why do some Christians always go straight to that subject as if only the "bad sins" condemn? We should share the gospel and with love help people understand why they need it.
This video was an eye opening moment for me. Amen 🙏 and Yes God does Chastise Me and still struggle with the sins. I don’t want to be disobedient to the Lord as I am Grateful Jesus Christ Saved Me and I don’t deserve it and that’s incredible Love God has For Us. I want To be obedient because I love God too.
Amen bro. Gary!
Thank you very true we all want this truth but the point is gregg Jackson and david Benjamin preach the same and more mr Martinez is calling them charletons when I fact they do preach on discipline to the believer and to strive to live Godly life with the knowledge of the word. Scripture. Peace ❤ Mr Martinez should apologize for his wrongful accusations on another brother
David mentioned James, yes, but he was referencing Martin Luther's opinion of how Martin Luther thought James was an epistle of straw. Martin later changed his mind but Benjamin didn't think James should be out, he only mentioned how another saint had that opinion but it wasn't held by Benjamin.
This was my take on it as I've listened to him for awhile.
David Benjamin is a wicked cult leader and is not to be listened to at all. he literally believes james taught works salvation
@@christianforreallol OK 👍
Used to watch Jackson and Benjamin but I stumbled onto their writing my teachings about the judgment seat of Christ and that we are in constant favor with God no matter how we walk the Christian life and that all believers get all rewards… there’s no differentiating. They constantly push there no progressive sanctification and that we are ALWAYS in right fellowship in our relationship with the Lord.
This really troubled me because I’d never heard that and it didn’t seem biblical and I certainly cared about how I represented the Lord regardless if rewards were involved.
I’m so glad you’re addressing these guys. Thank you
It's satanic do what thou wilt stuff
@@Unleavened-777No no, satan will tell you “ do what is said from outside”.
But we trust Jesus Christ Who said “ the Kingdom of God is inside of you “,, after conversion.
And we know that “stronger is He Who is in us than that which is in the world.”
Satan will tell not to touch his kingdom, under pretext of doing commandments.
It is what spirit you obey that makes sin actually sin.
But we receive the Law Maker inside us in the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
This is the New Covenant.
@@user-kh1vo2fc6s cringe
@@Unleavened-777No it's rest and peace. It's not so what you wilt. It's understanding we do what we don't want to do because of sin that is in us but we are still right before God because of what Christ did for us.
Christ Jesus is the reward. You don't seem to grasp that concept.
Amen
Thank you Jesse and Trent.
David Benjamin said that Jesus was the first to take part in the great salvation. Like Jesus needed to be saved?!! Had sin to pay for? Then wouldn’t be the perfect sacrifice!!!
Very dangerous.
Like dispensationalists that get the gospel right but then teach faith + works and salvation loss in OT and TRIB, the likes of the Ruckmanites, Gene Kim, Robert Breaker, hope bible church etc etc. Why they focus on these dispensational salvation doctrines I don’t know.
God bless
Where did he say this 😂 post the vid and time stamps. People just make stuff up, hearing what they want to hear
WOW, Thats a blasphemy!!!! Jesus is God, sinless. They must believe in a different Jesus which is not Jesus at all. The one who died for me is God in the flesh and SINLESS.
@@user-tb5gq7kp5uyup just believe in rumors without any proof, very Godly of you
Slander, lies or just ignorant accusations. I will never watch any of your videos again unless you repent and apoligise. No longer will I recommend BibleLine.
In what way did we slander or lie about the men mentioned?
- Trent
Grow up he didn't lie it's you that is the liar
@@BibleLineyou lied when you said they don't preach the gospel, you lied when you said they don't say James is legit, you lied when you said they don't teach discipline, you lied when you said they spend too much time on the internet. Cut your losses Jesse and admit you're a fool. 😂
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~ Untrue that they believe the book of James is false teaching OR that James should be “put on a shelf”.
They teach that there’s good reason that James is included in the canon. It gives historical and theological context and a record of the early Church’s development. James’ epistle represents the perspective of the Jewish Believers in Jerusalem, who didn’t yet have an understanding of justification by faith, as it was revealed to Paul. Jewish Believers in Jerusalem had not YET reconciled their long-standing traditions and understanding of the Mosaic law with the new covenant teachings that the ascended Christ had revealed to Paul.
~”They hardly ever talk about the gospel anymore.”
Seriously? I’m pretty confident that they make the gospel of our salvation clear in every video and in their writings.
~”IF they’re clear on the gospel….”
My goodness. If you don’t know that THEY ARE CLEAR on the gospel, should you be speaking on their beliefs at all? How can you not know (“IF…..”) their eternal salvation message, yet have so much to say?
~”To satiate their pride”, is the reason they speak?
A statement made based on nothing but a blind assumption, and sounds like it’s said out of pure spite, because YOU DON’T KNOW THESE BRETHREN, THEIR HEARTS, NOR THEIR MOTIVE.
If you did, you’d know better.
~”There’s no chastising in the Christian life”
A completely false statement. They do not believe, nor teach such. They DO speak of God’s chastising His Children.
If the disagreement is about WHY and HOW God chastises His children, your statement is false.
I could go on, but that’s enough to establish that you’ve mischaracterized and misrepresented your BRETHREN.
@@BibleLineyou have been given multiple examples in the comments but you ignore them.
@bibleline I get it now. So we trust that his death paid for our sins as we know the wages of sin is death. He was then buried to prove he did die and we trust that he rose again as a guarantee of everlasting life. Is that correct ?
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You are falsely accusing, twisting words and gaslighting, Mr Pastor guy. I notice quite a few wolfish channels in agreement in your comments which only exposes what YOU truly believe as well and by that I will mark and avoid. How disgraceful you all are!
Can you please expound on what we said that makes you think these things about us? We dare not call David Benjamin “disgraceful.” I’m willing to chat, but we can avoid any character attacks Ms. Alisha person. 🤣
I like “Mr Pastor guy.” That’s funny
- Trent
@@BibleLineI like Mr. Pastor Guy, too.
@@BibleLine birds of a feather flock together. Simple as that. You clearly have proven you don't understand the true Character of Christ or you wouldn't be coming against believers who actually do teach the truth the way you just did. Bunch of nerds with barely any biblical understanding nor any desire to understand either. Glad you got a laugh, Trent pastor nerd.
Thank you for showing your character. I legitimately would chat openly with you here, but I’m unsure why you double down in what seems to be anger toward us. We aren’t attacking David, but you have single handedly rely attacked myself and Pastor Jesse. Thanks.
- Trent
@@BibleLine boo hoo, couldn't care less how offended you are nor your opinion on pretty much anything. It's not about feelings, it's about truth.
Mate! You obviously haven't listened to, or read any of these peoples teachings. I've been saved for 4 decades and have listened to David Benjamin, Gregg Jackson, Petra and Daniel. They have very sound biblical teachings and have really great Christian life instructions. Even being an older believer, I have benefited much by continuing to listen to these brothers and sisters. You seem to be very misinformed about what they teach. I would encourage you to actually go listen to what they say, before you sprout off with your half cocked false ideas about them, its quite slanderous to listen to your false accusations. Everything you said, about their teachings, was incorrect. Please review your information before you continue as your audience is being given false information about very good Christian teaching.
Blessings and kindest regards David from Melbourne.
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Ur not saved if you add for ur salvation period
@@Andrewelite I'm not sure what you are directing at me or referring to in my comment, Andrew!
Have you read David Benjamin’s book, James Trouble?
@@GiftofGod289 No I haven't. But I had come to a similar conclusion around Grace 4 decades ago. I have listened to all the teaching on James Trouble and read quite a bit on DB's ideas and conclusions. I don't disagree on his findings. These conclusions about the book of James have been around since the first century AD, is my understanding. Many teachers over the time since then, have known of the contradictory teachings between James and Paul. It's obvious that James had a limited notion on what Justification by Grace was, at the time of writing his epistles. Doesn't mean James was a heretic, or that his writing wasn't inspired.
Blessings and kindest regards David from Australia.
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Anything that negates Paul's doctrine to the gentiles is a fraud. Does James? Did Peter when he had to be rebuked by apostle Paul because Peter wouldn't even eat with us? Did revelation and the mystery come to James or to Paul. Fools!😂
You are preaching error when it comes to the Christian life. Your accusations are False. You are stumbling babes in Christ. A believer NEVER loses fellowship with God. It is sad that many in your comment section have received the leaven that you have served up.
Romans 8:6 KJV
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace
You don't understand the dual nature we have as a believer. When youre operating in the flesh you will experience death. To be spiritually minded/abiding in Christ is when you have fellowship.
John 15:4 kjv
“Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me
@@christianforrealYou don't understand what it means to be operating in the flesh. You think operating in the flesh means not following law. Operating in the flesh is unbelief. Going back to the works of the law for the perfecting of the flesh. You deny all that Christ has accomplished on our behalf. You don't understand what it means to abide. Again, you think abiding is doing fleshly good works, commandment keeping , etc. You disregard grace and look at law. You put a limit on grace as though one can exhaust it. You speak as though you are wise yet are a fool. Read the entire book of Galatians
No he's not grow up
Hebrews 10:38. Romans 1:17 Go look at Gregg Jackson's hateful rebuttal to this video. He adds to Hebrews 10:38 and Romans 1:17. Now the just shall live by faith. That means we are going to live (have eternal life by faith). Gregg says, "now the just shall live the CHRISTIAN LIFE by faith". He doesn't understand what that verse is saying. He also thinks that chastisement is just God teaching us his word. That doesn't sound grievous to me. Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. He also doesn't know what the REAL Galatian error is. It's when the Judaizers came the region of Galatia and started to preach another gospel than the one that was given to them. They were preaching you have to keep the law TO BE SAVED. That's the real Galatian error. It had nothing to do with rewards. Because he does not believe we will receive rewards for our service after we are saved, 1st Corinithians 3:8-15 he has to believe that James was in error because James taught about the judgement seat of Christ and profit. (rewards earned for faithful service) James 2:12. And now David Benjamin has now had an "inspiration" saying that the book of 1st John should not be taught. REALLY? Not to mention that the book of Psalms is also in error. Now getting back to Gregg. About a year ago in his comments, he attacked preachers like Ralph Yankee, Bob Wilkins, Norm Diamante, and now Jesse Martinez. He said to mark and avoid these people. It was just recently when we started to defend of where we stand and all of a sudden we are the ones attacking them. Interesting. David Benjamin would prefer you ditch the bible and read his teachings. Gregg Jackson took down his whole website and said he would not be doing anymore videos for this family's sake. Turned out to be a lie. He was getting attacked in the comments about his Galatian error garbage and started another site. He said that ALL of his past teachings would be on Benjamin's site. The only teachings that Benjamin kept were the ones of him teaching about Galatian error. Sounds to me Benjamin got to him and deceived him of taking all of his past teachings down because he thought they were wrong. Gregg Jackson used to love Ralph Yankee Arnold a few years ago. Even made a video about him and praising him for teaching a clear gospel. He also used to be correct of James. He has changed all his beliefs and now only listens to what David Benjamin teaches. This is the REAL reason why he took down his old site. David Benjamin is a brainwashing cult leader. How many more books of the bible can we throw out or say is in error???
@@magicalmike3629 Woww. GJ used to love Andy Woods' teaching as well and from last 2 years, calls him of being a Galatian error. He deleted his video on 1st John 1:9 about unbelievers need to confess their sins. he wrote a comment on middle east meltdown NO 3" 1john 1:9, in context was written to UNBELIEVERS", which means they have to confess their sins in order TO BE SAVED.
There are several scriptures that suggest that you can't live in sin. For example John says don't live in sin, Paul said we shouldn't sin to let grace abound, etc.
DB believes that the book of James is inspired and belongs in the canon, he just believes it’s a clear picture of the early church error that mirrors what we see in the book of Acts
David and Gregg share the gospel perfectly accurate according to scripture, that faith alone in Christs finished work on the cross is fully sufficient in ALL things, leaving the believer fully justified, sanctified and redeemed.
The fact that this wage taking “pastor” Jessie is misrepresenting them in the manner that he is, tells you all you need to know about he and his ilk.
“Get your butt in a pew and tithe so we ‘pastors’ don’t have to get a real job and then you might can call yourself a good Christian”. - your loving “pastor”
They believe that John the apostle was unsaved since 1st John was written to UNSAVED. They add CONFESS of sins to the Gospel, thats another Gospel and are accursed according to Galatians 1:8-9.
@@user-tb5gq7kp5u who is “they”?
Are you referring to the hirelings that host this channel, if so, I have no clue but if you’re referring to DB and GJ, you’re either ignorant, intellectually dishonest or stupid
I assume you’re referring to “pastor” Jessie who doesn’t want to get a real job?
@@user-tb5gq7kp5u who is they?
@@benprestridge6787 David Benjamin and Gregg Jakson. You are an ignorant, intellectually dishonest and stupid. Pastor Jesse is a Pastor gifted by The Holy Spirit. GJ wrote on the comment section of middle east meltdown No 3 by Andy Woods that" 1st John 1:9, in context can only be for unbelievers UNBELIEVERS". Read for yourself. He called John unsaved. If WE in 1st John 1:9 were unbelievers then John would have been an unbeliever, we would have had 4 books written by an unbeliever. WE is referring to John as the author and his audience.
"In humility correcting those who are in opposition; if perhaps God will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive to do his will"
1st TIMOTHY 2:25
Can a person be saved by faith in Christ without turning from their self-righteousness?
Think about this pastor: Concerning the 2nd question, you are telling your listeners that someone who does not know the Gospel can know they are saved because of God's chastisement. How do you know as a believer that you are saved by looking at what you are going thru like a health or other issue caused by an accident, sickness, or natural calamity or God's chastening? As a Muslim, Mormon, Jehovalh Witness I could say I'm saved because I am going thru this or that problem because God is chastening me. There is no evidence or proof that a person can have except that you believe the promise of God upon belief that He gave you everlasting life.
The last line you said is absolutely correct. Jesse said nothing to the effect of knowing you are saved by chastisement… The point of Hebrews 12 is NOT assurance of salvation. The point of Hebrews 12 is assurance that believers (children of God) will face chastisement.
- Trent
We still sin and it is very easy to think it is the other guy that does the “bad” sins.
Great Video!
What I find funny about salvation talk is that I always hear these hypothetical scenarios that are so isolated that doesn’t capture any realism. Use REAL people not just made up examples. People have history and their sin often is a coping mechanism, addictions due to childhood upbringings and etc. The convenience of using these made up examples is that they ignore the other factors that had years of study and psychology. It’s easy to make up a “awful” sinner rather than a real person.
The substance changes not actions. Otherwise you will withhold yourself and suppress the new content of yours which is the Holy Spirit, quenching Him, trying to comply with the written letter and that leads to Hebrews 6.
Apostle Paul definitely got a taste of it, that is why he spent almost all of his epistles admonishing against checking yourself with the law. “Those who love ME, do MY commandments” = “MY ship know MY voice”- which is direct leading of the Holy Spirit.
Spirit revives, letter deadens.
It is no longer I who live but Christ that lives in me . Gal 2:20. But now it is no longer I who do it but sin that lives in me. Rom7:17. It’s no longer about the big I.
What a shameful mischaracterization of David Benjamin and Gregg Jackson. Yall didn't do your homework at all or your just out for clicks yourself.
I don't think he even listened to more than one or two of the thousands of videos
Clicks for calling out David Benjamin? 😂 thats hilarious. barely anyone knows who he even is.. it's much easier to get clicks talking about actual famous people like Joe Rogan, Andrew Tate. Etc. even bigger Christian RUclipsrs like Isaiah salad bar will bring in clicks. I've done videos on David Benjamin and they have been some of my lowest viewed videos recently. Trust me we don't call him out for "clicks" that's a foolish assumption that makes 0 sense
@@christianforreal I couldn't care less what the motivation behind it was. Lying about these brothers and mischaracterizing them is simply inexcusable.
How did we lie?
Explain it. We didn’t mischaracterize anything. Meanwhile, we’ve been called all sorts of names in this comment section. Time stamps please. Give the receipts. Give the scriptures.
- Trent
@@BibleLine ruclips.net/video/dYX0btqPsJA/видео.htmlsi=dBXqFK6XP4WX8GiV
He speaks himself better than I could.
God doesn't want us to partake of sin, because...IT WILL KILL YOU. That's why Jesus came to save us FROM it. Sometimes, sin looks inviting, but it will end up biting you in the wrong place.
This is gooooood teaching!!!!
Love your videos, by the way!
Amen
The bible IS the word of GOD, however...God EXPECTS you to rightly divide the word of truth to be unashamed before HIM, not man. James was not written to you, unless your a scattered jew. James was written at least 7 years before the first epistle of Paul was even penned. In fact James was not even an apostle, but the brother of Jesus, like Jude. The mysteries were given to Paul, not even the son of man "JESUS" revealed all things to the 12 apostles. Let's not be silly and mix oil with water, which is what you do when you add the 12 apostles to the thirteenth APOSTLE, the one whom GOD sent unto the gentiles. The New Testament didn't even begin until the last chapters of the books of Mathew-John. AMEN,AMEN!
They are calling us hateful and slanderers, but look at the hatred in all of their comments on this video. The results speak for themselves. They are walking in darkness, blind. Only Jesus Christ can open their eyes
jacksmack77 has a great video by David Benjamin on his channel ruclips.net/video/_b4GltunUmQ/видео.html
We are not conflating salvation and service, which is what both works based doctrine and hyper grace are guilty of.
No one can perfect the flesh no one
@@magdaedithvillarreal6008 No one is saying to perfect the flesh.
Just to do what the Bible says to do after salvation.
@FaithAloneSavesForever that's my point your works will.never be enough in. other words you sin constantly thats what I mean about no one can I perfect the flesh. Of course you strive to change the old man dies and you renew your mind. And change your l Iife to follow christ. Grace. Christ alone faith alone. peace 😍
@@magdaedithvillarreal6008 Right on. We still have the Old Man as believers and still sin. But we do have a choice to follow the new man and yield to the Spirit rather than our flesh.
Grace and peace to you.
@FaithAloneSavesForever thats what i expressed on my previous comment we are led by the Holy spirit to live an acceptable Godly life but we are still carnal.and we all fall short of Oyr Father's Glory but praise our Savior Jesus for His GRACE ❤️. PEACE CHRIST ALONE FAITH ALONE JESUS IS MY REWARD
@@magdaedithvillarreal6008 Jesus isn't the only reward. Listen to what Jesus says, and have faith in what He says here:
"And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work." (Revelation 22:12)
They don't want to be held to any moral standard. That's what this is
Your buddy is clearly overweight even obese on probably on meds and shortening his own life. Is his gluttonous lifestyle sin? Is he under God's chastisement?
Sir could you please go over this verse in depth I found it online
Chronicles 7:14 says, "Then if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land". This verse suggests that repentance is necessary to receive forgiveness and salvation.
Context is important. Solomon had finished the house of the Lord, and he had prayed intently toward the Lord. God had heard his prayer, and this was part of God’s response. God was dealing with his people Israel, and He wanted them to obey him.
This verse is not stating that they must “turn from their wicked ways” to be saved into eternal life. That’s ridiculous that one might even suggest such. Israel knew the promised Messiah, and they knew they need only believe as Abraham believed.
This verse is about God’s expectation of service toward his people. If they serve; they’ll be blessed. If they turn away, they’ll be cursed.
- Trent
@@BibleLine thank you I just saw it online and my NLT Bible says in Matthew Chapter 3 verse 2 repent of your sins but the KJV only says repent and when I looked up in the concordance I have for my KJV called Key Word Study Bible it said it’s a change of mind just didn’t make sense to me but I am thinking about sticking with KJV. I have a whole Bible collection and I just was informed about copyright rules for the modern bibles and etc and it’s so sad. But I believe the KJV with a concordance is probably if not guaranteed the best translation to stick with
@@USMC199 The NLT is a corrupt translation. The KJV is mathematically proven to be THE word of God...
There IS no fear of God for those in Christ. Rom. 8. we are to live in love. Love casts out fear. Did you mean respect?
There is a certain level of fear concerning the idea that God can chasten us and God will judge us. If we live according to the flesh (Romans 8:1), then there is condemnation in such living. You are not spiritually condemned, and there is no fear of hellfire. Nonetheless, God is never okay with sin; I would argue especially when his children continue to sin. Sure, it’s a healthy respect of God and fear of the chastening and judgment if we lack service toward him. James 2:12-13, 1 Cor. 5:10-11, 1 Cor. 3:10-16, Hebrews 10:26-39.
- Trent
I always preach the chastening of the Lord on the side, when preaching the gospel 😎 That doctrine aint dying on my watch, no matter what bratty hypergracers say.
How can you say ANYTHING about anyone that you have NO CLUE TO WHAT THEY TEACH!!! You are one that falsely accuses the brethren. How about doing this “pastor”…how about not saying anything about someone ministry when you falsely say what they teach. You’re despicable!
Please enlighten us to what is false here. I’m happy to respond to what you have. Jesse is truly a “Pastor.” Okay.
We have read, and we do understand what they teach…
- Trent
Foolish woman!!!!!!!
I would call her foolish tbh…
- Trent
@@BibleLineok here ya go…
You just blankly say they say that James is a false teaching with out explaining what you mean. You say that you don’t know if they’re clear on the gospel. Yet you say that they are charlatans and that they are puppets who like to control their audience. You don’t explain in what you mean by that. That they hardly talk about the gospel anymore. Wrong! They contend strongly for it. You say they are prideful. No a prideful person is one who thinks they’re living in such a way to keep their relationship with the Lord and to keep Him from chastening them. You said that they say that there is no chastening in the Christian life. Wrong again! They have NEVER said that God doesn’t chasten His children and in fact they teach that God chastens all of His children. You say they say that there’s no point in living a righteous life…that it will just happen. No they teach God’s prescribed order for how one can live a righteous life. You say they twist the scriptures yet you gave no scriptures that you say they have twisted. By the way, walking in the flesh does not just mean sinning it up. Also I’m not a babe in Christ and I read and study the Word of God for myself like the Bereans. I test the spirits to see if what someone is saying lines up with the Word.
@@BibleLine I just gave you an explanation for the errors the “pastor” spoke and you removed my comment. That says it all.
Gregg posted a rebuttal video on his channel Salvation is Easy. I pasted the video to a comment on here, but it must of been deleted.
Jesse and Trent, I encourage you guys to watch the video, and to try and reach out to Gregg and David, and talk with them.
@@ScottWLyonsYes, thats what it certainly looks like.
@@ScottWLyons you are a joke!!!!
@@DaveSorenson you are a joke.
@@user-tb5gq7kp5u You are a liar.
@@user-tb5gq7kp5uVery Christianly of you Dona saved by Grace.
Matthew 28:19-20 KJV
[19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [20] teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Hebrews 11:6 it's IMPOSSIBLE to please God without Faith Romans5:1,2 Justified by Faith in Jesus Christ we have peace with God Romans 1:17 The Just shall live by Faith Romans 14:23 anything Not of Faith is sin ( So if you think turning from Sin in your own strength your flesh is pleasing to God your highly mistaken ONLY By Faith in Jesus Christ His death burial resurrection you are Saved and after you are saved you live by Faith in Jesus Christ death burial resurrection anything other than this you are highly mistaken Coallsions 2:8,10 COMPLETE in Christ ( And walking in the Spirit is by Faith not you turning from sin and your supposed law keeping you are a law breaker Jesus is the author and finisher of our Faith ( You are sinning if you are not walking in the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ this guy was looking at himself
Does being gluttonous and obese equate to living and sin and not treating your body as the Temple of God? Just sayin....
Yes, of course. But why assume things about someone of which you know not?
- Trent
@@BibleLine you can see with your own eyes. Just like someone living in sin, if you are on meds for Type 2 Diabetes as a result of what you eat then you are under the chastisement of God. Its shortening your life.
I think the common misconception is that sin is an action, but sin is a “ spirit”. So you can either be in Christ or in sin. And “those who are in Christ do not sin because the seed of God abides in them”.
I think sin is both an "action" and a "concept"/contrary to God/law. Which results in death,sickness, etc. The spirit or father of "sin" being Satan encouraging sin
Yeah, but the root is exactly satan. If a person is not born again and his nature is defiled by sin “matter” no matter how well he behaves, he is still a sinner.
@Unleavened-777 but we must most and foremost listen to the direct voice of The Lord Jesus Christ.
Well what sin is going on in your life? You said at the 920 mark that they are dead set on no Christian living which they aren’t… They never said that… But then you turn around and say there’s going to be sin in everyone’s life and God will chasing all of his children… I’m just curious what sin do you struggle with? And what kind of chasing has he given you?
Thank you bible line your videos help me a lot in my daily walk. God bless
THANKS, Martinez and Trent for exposing this stuff. Benjamin has caused so much division.
Why did Jesse go on a channel that openly makes racist comments in their livestream? I don’t care about David Benjamin and Gregg. They’re aren’t my issue. Toronto Bible Study has the full video on his channel. Did he disguise himself because he knew that being on that channel wasn’t a good look for his church?
I would like to know how come he hasn’t addressed his involvement with that channel. There are plenty of videos online showing the behavior of this group he associated himself with.
Amen to that! That man has a video where he claims he is half black and says the n word. Not once but 3 times. And then Jesse goes on to go on that channel? Very irresponsible
Do you have a link to that?
@@TheShadow.1 it’s called BLM it’s on Fuego savvy channel.
racist comments , talking about people’s weight/appearance (I won’t even comment on that one lol..) using the N word, and other degenerate behaviors :)
You can't even address Jesse's argument in this video so you switch the topic to try and sow discord. Yah rebuke you. Benjamin is literally teaching a doctrine of demons but I guess you could care less about that
I listened to what David Benjamin said. He did Not say that James was not inspired... which is exactly what Jesse just accused him of. The Bible clearly lays out that the early disciples did not immediately understand the mystery that would later be revealed to Paul. All of the way to acts chapter 10, Peter was clearly confused about salvation to the Gentiles. Acts clearly shows the early apostles struggling to understand how much of the law they should adhere to. I like Cucuzza, Yankee and Onorato, but David Benjamin‘s explanation of justification is more in harmony with Paul’s epistles, and a whole of scripture. I can’t say the same for Yankee and Onorato, but I’ve heard Cucuzza engage in at least some of what I think is Galatian error.
I’ve listened to you for a right good while I also listen to Greg Jackson, David, BENJAMIN, and sniffing out Pharisees… And a few others… I’ve never once got that impression from any of those guys🤷♀️
Great video, i personally have been cautious of Greg Jackson. I believe hes saved but he never gives time of day to Christian life. And God wants us to do the right thing not the wrong thing. Thank you for your help better understanding things.
Exactly. He has the gospel message down. But he’s doing a MAJOR disservice to the body of Christ by telling people basically it doesn’t matter how you live after you’re saved.
I am glad this video was made to shed light on hyper grace. Gregg jackson posted a response video, and according to him your 100% wrong and paul was a "super" apostle.... they definitely need to be marked and avoided.
Paul was the apostle to the gentiles. He was accused of grace. How was he wrong 😂
@@joe2825 Paul preached to the jews too. Romains 1:16
@joe2825 I never said paul was wrong, but to put him on a pedestal calling him super is idol worshipping. He was no greater than the twelve apostles or Abraham, Noah, or anyone else that followed after God in the Bible. Jesus said among men born of women, there is no greater prophet than John, but the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than him.
Greg recommended some female you tuber i had a listen to her and she said its ok to get an abortion. Needless to say i didnt listen to her after that. Dont really listen to Greg anymore.
You’re beating false witness and I’m not surprised because the heart is deceitful above ALL things and desperately wicked Jeremiah 17:9. She didn’t condone abortion but shared her testimony and how it affected her. You listened to her video with a judging and condemning ear. I have women come to me who have or will commit this sin. You know what I don’t do I do not judge them I love on them I cry with them. I tell them when they do it I STILL love them! I don’t run away and say I’m not talking to you again. Have you forgotten how sinful your flesh still is?
Some of these people used ”you do good works” as an ”insult” against me
@@Uralicchannel lol 🤣 wow. That's just silly
This video spoke to me. I got wrapped up in those you tubers. Sniffing Pharisees, and others and your rights they do live online. Social media can be easy to get sucked into and debate everyone. At the end of the day, What Gods word says stands.
Wow! I commented first, after only a couple of minutes into the video. After listening to the rest, I now consider my first comments to be too soft. The numerous and blatantly false accusations you made in the rest of the video are simply too much false accusation, slander and garbage to tolerate. I will no longer give any more time or support to this ministry.
Yeah the free grace community really been showing off their colors latley. I agree. Not even a David Guy but I seen them do nothing but slander and twist bible here.
This is the fruit of Fuego savvy right here ladies and gentlemen.
Uh, no, it is not. We recorded this weeks prior to that engagement. Nonetheless, I’ve seen your comments. Would you like to email or chat over the phone? We are free to chat. Maybe we would get accused of less if you understood us better.
- Trent
@@BibleLinewhy did Jesse go on Fuego livestream? Why did he disguise himself?
@@BibleLineFuego has been making crude comments towards black people for months. He thinks it’s funny but it’s not funny at all. Several brothers and sisters have addressed him about it yet he continues. Even in one of your recent videos he posts “black” emoji praying hands. I’m black and this isn’t funny. It’s hurtful.
@@Christ_saves_sinners right.
@@Christ_saves_sinners Do you have a link for that?
I have a question about John 3 where it says that we must be born again of water and of the Spirit. Is being saved different than being born again of the Holy Spirit? Or do we receive the Holy Spirit after we're saved, and will we know that we have the Holy Spirit?
Seriously can you guys use common sense? Yes it is.
Being born again in the "baptism" of the Holy Spirit.
Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal of a good conscience to God-through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
- 1 Peter 3:21
And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning. And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could prevent God’s way?” And when they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
- Acts 11:15-18
While Peter was still speaking these things, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the word. And all the circumcised believers who came with Peter were astounded that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and magnifying God. Then Peter answered, “Can anyone refuse water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did?” And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for a few days.
- Acts 10:44-48
He saved us, not by works which we did in righteousness, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
- Titus 3:5
Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit.
- John 3:4-6
"Flesh is flesh" being born from man/mother
"Spirit is spirit" being born of God
John 1:12-13 (KJV):
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
Being born of water is being born from your mother.
"Flesh is flesh"
Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit.
- John 3:4-6
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
- John 3:14-16
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
- John 3:18
Being born of "spirit" is being saved
I believe so.
Matthew 3:14-16 KJV
[14] But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? [15] And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. [16] And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Acts 19:1-6 KJV
[1] And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, [2] he said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. [3] And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. [4] Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. [5] When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. [6] And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 16:30-31 KJV
[30] and brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? [31] And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
To be born of water is your physical flesh birth. This part of you is sinful. (John 3:3-6)
To be “born again” is the new nature that is made alive and righteous when you believe in Christ. It was previously dead (Eph. 2:1).
The Holy Spirit is what seals you, and it is distinct from this new nature. (Eph. 1:12-14).
- Trent
@@Unleavened-777 You don't have to act that way. I do have common sense. I haven't read the whole entire Bible yet and I'm still learning. I definitely wouldn't want you to help me or anyone else with that attitude. Just because a person doesn't "Know" as much as you or have read as much as you doesn't mean that they don't have any common sense. Some people including myself have been led down the wrong path with scripture, but God opened my eyes and let me see that it was the wrong way. If it makes you that upset to read a comment asking questions that you already know the answer to, then maybe you shouldn't comment back.
It's horrible when people take that Hebrews chapter 12 passage out of context, which was written to legalist Hebrews that strive to keep the law mourning day and night and temple sacrifices, in the denial is the sufficiency of the cross of Christ...The chastise warnings are to legalist Jewish Hebrews who are denying the sufficiency of the cross in context...
But somebody's going to tell me that justified, not guilty people that are the righteousness of God, Holy, without blemish, and free from accusation, are being punished for sin in relation to a law that they're no longer under...🤦♂ P.S Salvific free will is a lie...
Sooooo, why are we exalted to walk in the spirit multiple times in scripture if God doesn’t care how we live after we’re saved? Just because we’re saved from the PENALTY of sin in Hell, doesn’t mean we’re saved from the chastisement of God for our sin here on earth. Sin is still sin. Just because we’re saved doesn’t mean we can go on living however we want to and expect no consequences.
Amen! Thank God for this video.
This… Is not,
from THE LORD YESHUA/JESUS !
This is not HOLY SPIRIT filled!
You know the old saying, maybe not !
I’m a bit more worn and older than you…😊
You can’t sling mud and not expect to get your own self dirty!
I will say this for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear… hand signs are telling ! Maybe that’s why you have accused the innocent?!
I pray in depth for people who have boasting in their heart and speak with contentment for CHRIST words!
Your problem is with YESHUA , not these brethren!
I, am, however, a first hand witness of people that lie or mock his children!
I want to leave the gospel here as the people here should know !
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
John 3:16
Follow Messiah not man! Men have agendas ! ADONAI, only has one agenda , to be with you whom HE CREATED!
Don’t add , don’t take away, don’t listen to anyone but MESSIAH!
Don’t put your trust in princes or people who have made themselves princes.
Or men of importance!
THE LORD IS COMING, I ask you publicly apologize, so that you may be like OUR FATHER in heaven! If that is your true intention!
You have caused great division in THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST! A lie can do that!
I would encourage all believers or seeking THE LORD JESUS, please seek MESSIAH first ! He will guide you and you will be able to discern in THE RUACH, whom is correct here!
SHALOM SHALOM!
THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON US ALL FOR THIS WICKED WORLD!
🙌❤️🔥⚔️🚨🎺❣️
Time is short! Imminent!
If my words from THE HOLY SPIRIT are not kept here to view, I will share this publicly!
Please humble yourself in the sight of THE LORD , he will lift you up🙏
The Lord will discipline those who belong to Him. If you are not be chastised/ dicplined for choosing a sinful lifestyle, then be concerned and bring this absence of discipline to the Lord
Ngl bro those cruel comments about the brethren were wrong. Of course, you wouldn't invite them for a public apology and chat. They're beneath you. I pray you prove me wrong.
Jesse is a paid hiriling. He gets tithes from the church and preaches hersey again the saints. Jesse did alot of damage to his ministry here.
Are you kidding me???? When has david benjamin ever had a discussion with anyone who disagrees with him. You're blind
Salvation does NOT equate to only having a pass into heaven nor only the removal of guilt. Salvation is ALSO the full restoration of Gds plan for your life, it is Chr st in you the hope of glory, it is the supernatural union into Js body: the crucified OLD man and the resurrected new man.
The NEW man is: Chr st in you the hope of glory. If you haven't repented from sin then you are living in the fleshly old man and aren't abiding and remaining within Js. The old man will NEVER receive forgiveness. Who FULLY believes in a matter but doesn't then ACT like it's true ? Obviously, if you believe in the TRUE salvation of Gd then you'll automatically repent from sin. Having faith that Js will save you is only an abbreviation. Honestly read ALL scriptures and you'll see that the peculiar way he saves us is as I've described earlier.
If acknowledging we've repented from sin is boasting then surely acknowledging we have faith to be saved by Js is boasting also? Repentance is no more an effort to earn salvation than a potential convert listening to the gospel, or reasoning about the gospel, or confessing Js as Lord and Savior, or having faith to be saved by Js. Besides, being holy and good or EVEN just everyday life is not supposed to be a struggle at all. We are supposed to rest in Js and HE is supposed to supernaturally work through us. If righteousness or repentance is "work" to you then you are living as the old unsaved man. The new man innately does only what Gd does because he's born of Gd.
Thank You Pastors for exposing false teachers. DB and GJ believe that 1st John was written to UNBELIEVERS which means they( unbelievers) need to confess their sins in order to be saved. We is referring to believers, including John The apostle. Was John unsaved?
Here is a copy and paste of Greggs comment for those people who claim he never said that. SavedInANanosecond.2 years ago
TJ, I agree. Believers are always "in fellowship" with Jesus and we are never "out of fellowship" based on "unconfessed sin." G9d is not sitting in the corner withholding fellowship until we confess certain sins. 1st John 1:9, in context, can only be for unbelievers since believers have once for all been forgiven for ALL their sins past, present and future at the very moment of justification (the NANOSECOND a person believes The Gospel). Andy is 100% correct on The Gospel of Grace but teaching that we are out of fellowship unless/until we "confess our sins" I believe is a form of Galatian Error.
@@magicalmike3629 Thank you brother in Christ! Gregg Jakson deleted one of his videos on that verse which he believed was written for UNBELIEVERS. He claims that John was unsaved . If That were true then We would have had 5 books written by AN UNBELIEVER.
@@magicalmike3629
Gregg has no clue about the three “tenses” of salvation. He doesn’t believe in progressive sanctification. Which basically means he just throws out good Christian living. Which is just ridiculous.
With the internet, we can see how many thousands of people disagree about what the gospel really is. Why do you think that is? Also, couldn't God just clear it up so we all believe the same thing and say that same thing? It's like everyone is fighting and going into groups. I used to just rest in the gospel as I heard it. Now, there is a thousand reasons how I might not have it right.
It is cleared up. John 3, Romans 3, Gal. 2, Eph. 2, etc..
Christ died for your sin, was buried and rose again. You can have eternal life by believing in him.
Have you believed in Him?
Yes?
Saved. Done.
Now go serve him. Tell others.
- Trent
It is clear. But the anti christ spirit is in the world , so we need to test everything with God's word.
@@BibleLine There are a thousand denominations that disagree with what you just said. Did God clear it up so we all speak the same thing and believe the same message? No, not even close.
@@kimwestwood8840 I know. I know God made the devil and all things. My question is, why does God let the devil successfully cause so much division in Christianity? Is there anything to hard for God?
@@kimwestwood8840 Many of the thousands of splits in Christianity say they test everything with the word of God. They use that against your church or podcast too. It is the will of God that we be split up?
Matthew 24 verses 11, 12, 13.
Galatians 1 verses 8, 9.
Mark 16 verses 15, 16.
Acts 2 verses 37, 38.
How can you tell if your being disciplined by someone if they're there, this whole father child relationship throws me off because he's not even here and it feels like he doesn't answer directly or obviously, All we have is a book.
Convictions of the heart. “The Holy Spirit will convict the world concerning sin because they do not believe in Me.”
That’s the discipline. Not trusting in Christ. Not living under grace. When we believe in Christ it is the end of the law for righteousness. When we don’t trust in Christ we go back into the law & works of the flesh & then the Holy Spirit reminds us we are forgiven & saved by grace & we believe on Jesus & enter His rest. The works of the Spirit are evident. Peace. Joy. Hope. Eternal life. Forgiveness of sins. Do not submit again to a yolk of slavery, law. When you do God disciplines you. By what? Taking away peace. Why? Because you are trusting in your works. Then what do I do? I stop trusting in my works. I trust in Christ. Then what happens? I have peace again. This is how God disciplines us. If you have no peace or no joy you are being disciplined because you are trusting in your works. When you trust in Christ then God gives you peace & joy back because you corrected the mistake & put your faith back in Christ.
10:03 Hebrews 12:9.
Fathering of our flesh by flesh is distinct from fathering of our spirit by Spirit. God's Word is Spirit and Truth.
God our Father, chastens and trains us primarily by speaking His Word and by His Spirit convicting the believer of his/her righteousness.
And God can even use natural consequences to our flesh as a result of our sinning in the flesh to get through to us
and even in our sinning bring us back to repentance, to trust in Him.
11:50 Hebrews 12:11.
The result of receiving God's chastening, i.e. hearing and receiving His Word, is that we turn to His grace and Truth, recognize that it is sufficient, rest in that,
and turn away from relying on our flesh to try to earn God's love by keeping commandments.
A saved individual can live however they choose I know people cringe at this and it does sound bad but it’s truth I haven’t heard any pastors or teachers encourage a reckless sinful lifestyle if anything I’ve heard them telling saved people that they should turn from things that are not pleasing to God and I agree with that it doesn’t keep us saved or prove we’re saved the pain suffering and misery of continuing in that path isn’t as appealing as it was before, I can see how God’s grace starts to loosen sins grip on individuals it’s a different experience for every individual that comes effortlessly at least that’s been my experience of course sinless perfection will never happen in this life.
Yes they can and still go to heaven but.... you can lose your inheritance 1000 year reign with Christ here on Earth in the Kingdom of God read Gal 5:21
It will be an Awesome event I'd hate to miss it
What's the truth about sinning everyday are they doomed?
You can and will sin every day for the rest of your life. Sinning is irrelevant for salvation. Believe today and be eternally free from the condemnation of sin. John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31.
Said it before and I'll say it again
Phil 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
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1 CORINTHIANS 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient. All things are lawful for me, but all things do not edify.
Hyper grace fails to have a proper law gospel distiction its like the opposite of lordship its unfortunate but this is a response to lordship just as lordship is a response to the truth
Why are you people even listening to this dude who calls himself a pastor and begs everyone for money?
@freegrace4ever you are false you are rebuked in Jesus name be gone Satan
Why do you listen to a the fatted calf teacher who's a literal cult leader teaching satanic doctrine? Looks like you're in Corinthian error
@@ScottWLyonsyour leader preaches corinthian error
@@christianforreal galatians error, James error and what's next???? DB needs to repent
@@user-tb5gq7kp5uYour favorite pastor in this video uses a Scofield bible and scofield himself coined the term galatian error. Dont be a hypocrite
We are asserting what the Bible says!!!
I’m relatively new to this page and also David Benjamin and Gregg Jackson. I’m surprise to hear criticism here because it appears you’re both on the same page about works and Calvinism ect ect