Why have two of the same gun?
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Host: Joel Persinger
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Q: Why have two of the same gun?
A: It’s usually because I couldn’t afford three or more.
Good question.
1. one will be shtf. You load and test fire the shtf mags. Then you load up the mags and put them aside.
2. It is cheaper to buy spare parts and magazines if you have the same gun.
3.If you use inexpensive white box ammo that goes bang every time, that is sufficient.
A miss with a defensive round that cost $2 each is still a miss. You don't have to waste space and get dirty reloading.
Great point, 2 is one and 1 is none. I do the same as you Sir!
@@kenmccarthy5025 great last name…
I think the same. 2 is 1, 1 is none. Always have a spare, or 2, or 3.....
This is an overused and illogical statement. One is one and two is two (obviously). 😂 The point is to have a backup plan, that's if, but you don't need to bring the kitchen sink! Or based on your logic, two kitchen sinks!
@@fckjoebdn1776 You've never done any serious work in your life.
My wife asked why I felt the need to own so many. One is so if I end up having to use it in defense, I still have others to carry. 2 is because I just love guns. Lol.
My wife asked me that too years ago and my response was why does she have so many shoes, purses and sweaters? She never brought up the subject again.
I live in Florida, so things are a lot easier here. Have two Smith & Wesson shield plus identical with red dots agree with you wholeheartedly.
CO is an Open Carry state (no permit required)...but only for handguns?
-- BR
After I watched Antonio Banderas walking down the bar shooting a pair of Ruger P- 90s in Desperado, I was hooked. I always buy in pairs.
👏👏👏
I like your logic good sir
@@dennisbarrett6148 I think Del Fatti leather or Desantis made leather shoulder rigs: duel guns in the 1980s 1990s era. 1911s SIGs Beretta models.
I bought a p95 (similar gun) after that movie 😂
@@stevenbrown5210 Excellent choice! P95 was my first pistol. I wish Ruger would come out with an updated version of their old P Series.
I wish I could afford 2 xmacro with the green optic and light/ green laser combo with the Mags. .....
Maybe I go the HiPoint route lol.
My uncle was LE back in the 70's and 80's and he carried 2 of the same 38 special Charter Arms Undercovers on him and was very fast with a NY reload. He carried one in a shoulder holster and one on his hip 3-oclock.
Another reason for doing what you suggest is to carry two revolvers. I occasionally carry both of my S&W 642’s instead of a speed loader. They are so comfortable and concealable that it’s easy to do.
Good advice for people in many states. I live in a very Red, very Pro 2A, very Pro self defense state. We don’t have to list what we are carrying. But great advice.
I live in Missouri. We are just as red. We have conceal carry and open carry no permit required. And I do. I'm to old to wrestle bad guys.
I have both the Taurus G3 and the G3C. so, they do use the same holster and I carry the G3C the most.
Nice. I carry a G2C, of which I own two.
@@Poser_Metal_Records groovy! one on each hip?😁
Excellent points, I live in Massachusetts which is almost as bad as Cal. I carry a Bodyguard 38 the majority of the time but depending on where I'm going I might carry my SD9VE. My thought process is if I lose my gun to an investigation I'm not out a lot of money. Plus I actually do really like both guns and fairly proficient with both.
I am surprised no one else has brought this up.
As a daily open carrier I like to have the same two handguns for carry. I practice with both and rotate them for carry.
....way back in 1992, gun writer Dwayne Thomas wrote an article titled " The Perfect Four Gun Carry System", in it he explained the same reasons you had shown, a second gun, or as he put it, the Replacement Gun, makes perfect sense. Not only to replace your primary pistol after a shooting incident but in case your primary gun needs to be repaired for some reason. I have done this practice for many years and tell this to many people who carry concealed ...
I carry a light J Frame and if it goes into evidence there’s a spare in the safe. Your dad was a wise man.
A lightweight j frame is an indispensable carry tool. The last gun I would ever sell.
Years ago, I saw a Ruger LCR in the case at my range's gun shop. It was lightly used and set up *identical* to mine with CT red laser grip and Hi-Viz green front sight. It was $250 less than it would cost me to build a twin...so I had to get it. So glad I did. I love the option of one gun or two for the day or event. I also like the option of handing one to a friend in a bad situation when I'm carrying both at once.
I’ve been doing this for years now as my Father worked as a deputy sheriff in California in the 60’s and always had at least two guns that were the same. I had actually asked him that question once when I was about ten, that was the same thing that he told me and from the time I started carrying, I always kept two identical weapons for that same reason! Good information.
Very well presented. Back in the day many officers purchased a 2nd weapon identical to their duty weapon, for home defense. That was the firearm that they taught family and friends to shoot. It is a very sound policy.
A year ago I was asked to sell my #1 carry pistol back to the original owner as a family keepsake. I did that, but then I had to scurry around to find a replacement for that pistol and have that added to my CCW list. I have a bit of money invested in that frame and caliber, in ammo, magazines and holsters, besides 50 years of experience shooting on that platform.
yes. I did this (Berretta M9A3 x2) for two other reasons (you have a good one I hadn't thought of)
1. in an EOTWAWKI 🎶 scenario, I have a way to canibalize parts to get one gun working.
2. Berretta offers a .22 LR conversion kit that I installed so I can plink less expensively with the same manual of arms. It also serves as my wife's gun when we go to the range together.
Excellent advice, Joel! I have done the same thing for many years. Always enjoy your various channels.
Agree 100%. I first was made aware of this idea of having 2 guns of the same make from an article Mas Ayoob wrote right after Obama was elected. Your reasoning is absolutely on point. I began this practice almost 15 years ago by now.
God bless Mr. Ayoob. He always has sound advice.
Spot on from a retired LEO-at one time the youngest police officer in America-I’ve been carrying almost 53 years.
My three guns are s&w 640, 642and a351c. They all fit in the same holsters. Two use the same speed loaders and cartridges. The third is the same manual of arms
I've got three j frames, too. A 432, a 332 and a 43c. Similar situation, the 22 is a bit different but it's a backup to the backup at this point and a lot cheaper to shoot. Having to buy only one holster for the lot is awesome.
I’m in California near you. I have 3 guns on my permit
1. Smith and Wesson shield 9mm
2. Smith and Wesson 442
3. Glock 17
Same 3 for years & they work. Home defense is a bit different but regimented as well . Be safe & shoot straight, be prepared. Thanks Joel.
Permit? In free America no permit required.
@ I agree but I’m behind enemy lines
10 round magazines are a joke.
@@therealrobincCarry extras
I already thought of this. While the two guns I like to carry are not exact, they are extremely similar. They both fit the same exact holsters and both have dot sights. While slightly different models they are the same brand with the same ammo and use the same magazines.
Great video! I'm in CO where we can carry anything so long as it's a handgun. While I don't have an exact clone for a replacement, I have several that I can choose from that have similar holsters and the same manual of arms.
I used to work at a few different gunshops and whenever anybody wanted a carry gun, I used the same argument. Weather it was for Home Defense or Personal Defense (i.e. Concealed Carry). If God forbid you've gotta use it, you're gonna loose it and if you just shot a bad guy, he might have friends who aren't happy that he's no longer around anymore so they might come after you. So again if ya use it, ya loose it and it's not a bad idea to have either the same or similar gun as a backup. Also parts break, guns break and if somethin breaks and say you can't get the part for a little while or even if it takes a few days to get to you, you're without your gun until you can get it back up and runnin. So why not have another one. I used to say the same thing to police, again say ya gotta use it, they take it for evidence. Well you've still gotta go back to work so if they give you a Glock 17, Glock 19, 47, 45, ect... ect... The first fun that you should buy it that gun and then the next one down (i.e. Glock 17 then a Glock 19 and then maybe a 26). This way you're mags can work. But also I know a guy who worked for a department where they issued Glock 21's and one of their guys got into an Officer Involved Shooting. The prosecutor had a hard on for cops, they took his gun and when they said not guilty and dropped all of the charges, he asked when he could come buy and pick up his gun. The prosecutor said no, it was used in the commission of a crime and wouldn't let him have it back. The department obviously wouldn't put him back to full duty without a gun and they fought with the prosecutors office to get his gun back. Eventually their PBA Rep showed up and collected donations to get him a new gun. When he retired he didn't have hand his gun back in because it was his gun. But if ya had your own Glock 21 then you could've tried to ask to use your own personal gun until they could get it sorted out and or then possibly tried to get reimbursed for having to provide your own pistol for work. I definitely agree with having 2 or more of the same gun, especially if you're gonna carry it.
Plus guns are mechanical things and mechanical things do break or have serious malfunction that demands repair, maybe part(s).
Two is one & One is none as they say.
This was a great video. You raised a few points I hadn’t considered.
I carry a Sig P224 but keep a P229 and P226 at the house. The idea was to have the same manual of arms, caliber and LOTS of magazines that fit the family.
I am thinking about getting a trade-in P226 to be my “truck gun”.
Two of the same, one kept loaded for carry and the other for both live and dry fire practice, and once a month or so I switch them. A lot of jealousy between them if I don't. Saved on bullet setback too, which happened a lot when I had only the one. And now that I think about it, I'd have one if the other got taken 🙂 Good point! Good video, thanks.
I hear you about the jealousy factor. I used to take all of mine out boating to make them all feel appreciated until that one stormy day where we capsized and well….. you know the rest of the story.
I have (2) beretta 92fs brigadier. I need a backup
Shield for me too... thought about 2.0 version... but didn't. Then when the Shield Plus came out, immediately jumped on it. Same exact size basically, but more rounds. And get those 2.0 upgrades too.
Bodyguard 2.0, like the LCP Max, are both guns to just jump on immediately.
Great advice. Something I had not considered. Thanks.
Agree, because this is what I figured out many years ago.
Sir good evening you are a absolute genius I carry for my EDC the Smith and Wesson Model 36 snubby all redone called the chief by Smith and Wesson your knowledge of a second gun makes total sense and it being the same kind makes it very very appealing thank you so much for your input on this situation hello from the glorious state of Texas
Definitely have a spare or more for a particular model of firearm that one is partial to. And even beyond that, I would highly recommend to keep spare parts on hand for some of the guns.
That is exactly why I have two Wilson Combat SFT9s and two EDCX9s.
Excellent idea, makes sence!
Agreed. I have 3 guns of the same manufacture. They are 3 different variants of the same gun. The sights are similar. And I practice with all 3 regularly. The takedown and cleaning of all of them is similar. They can all use the same 9mm ammo.
in CA/NY, if you're under investigation that may be a felony, you have to hand in all your firearms
That is not entirely true! However, if you are in some sort of federal investigation it is true.
Very well said, I've done the same thing however I have a revolver in bothering 38 spc. And 9mm, as well as a 9mm auto
. Same idea! Thanks for taking the time to share!!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👍😎
Related comment I think. My wife and I have identical guns so that either of us can pick one up and be totally familiar with it. Was not always the case and had different operational lay-outs, magazines, etc. Insurmountable? No, but uniformity has benefits.
I have been doing this for years! I got 3 copies of a pistol I don't carry any more! Then I got 2 Glock 19s. Now I carry a Glock 26 which fits in the G19 holster & my reload is a G19 mag which works in the G26 & G19. Also springs break on pistols & other stuff. Easy to teach in the range bag & grab a pistol that fits in the holster you're wearing!
I thought this was just common sense , but common sense is so un-common it should be considered a super power these days ,,, but i have 2 - .308 rifles , i have 2 - AK-47's , i have 3 - 9mm pistols a 9mm SBR and a 9mm PCC , i have 2 - .357 revolvers (one of which also fires 9mm with a convertible cylinder) , i have 2 - .12 gauge shotguns and 2 - Ruger 10/22's
If i could never buy another gun for the rest of my life i'd prolly still be ok , most of these guns will last longer than i will.
Thanks Joel, love the great information.
Thanks Joel!
I think keeping manual of arms the same is a great practice. Like most California M&P shields, mine has a manual safety. As a result, I don't carry it very often. Usually I prefer a compct, or full sized.
But if I really need to be more discrete, I will carry the shield or a 38 revolver.
I generally prefer striker fired without a manual safety , a double action, or double to single action. I have trained quite a bit with the shield, and even so, I have missed taking off the safety on occasion. I have seen it happen to others in various classes I have attended as well. As a result I prefer a grip safety, trigger safety, or just a good long double action (with a decocker for semi-autos). Thus basically it is pull the gun, and if appropriate, pull the trigger. No extra manipulation to mess up under stress.
If you're going to carry one with a manual safety, you have to train, and train, and train some more until it's completely autonomic to disable the safety.
Hey Joel, I wanted to thank you for this helpful advice. This is the first video like this that I've seen. Thank you sir, awesome.
Excellent idea ! Been doing it to some extent for around 30 years now.
Blessings my friend !
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Thank you Joel. All good points. My daily carry gun that I have carried for a few years is a Kimber TLE II .45acp. Although I don't live in a roster state, I do take training classes and having a second identical Kimber TLE just made sense to me just in case my primary has a failure during class. It never has failed me. Like you, I know that should I ever have to use it in a self defense situation, I have my identical backup while my primary is sitting in an evidence locker somewhere. Thanks.
Great info, thank you.
Good points! The reason why I always like to have two of the same firearms for me was parts.. For example two Glock 19 which I have been accustomed to carrying allows me to interchange parts which are very accessible in cases.. Also training with the same firearm get you very familiar with that system as opposed to someone constantly switching to a different platform..👍
In the '70s movie "Shaft" the title character has a blued and nickel Detective Special. For some reason, he kept the spare in the freezer, but the idea is the same.
I live in GA, I have four different handguns in two different calibers, I like this system because the controls are all the same, all four pistols will fit in the same holster, and all of the magazines are interchangeable in the same caliber. So I only need two different types of magazines for the two different calibers and even though I have multiple holsters all of the guns will fit in any of them.
I bought a Bersa Thunder 8+1 and liked it so much I bought the Thunder Plus 15+1. I bought the LCP Max for $365 and after upgrading it with a Sigurd trigger, 13-pound spring and stainless-steel guide rod. I recently bought the LCP Max 75th anniversary edition for $279. G;ad I don't live in California. In Maryland you can carry any gun with your CCW permit.
Great content! Thank you!
great points
Got one in tan, one in black, I like that particular model. It also holds 30 rounds, however I download 10% or so.
In Los Angeles County. If your involved in a delf defense incident your gun will be taken as well as your CCW permit. You may get them back, but the probability is you will not. A second gun won't do you any good as you have no permit to carry.
Excellent points!!
I have a variety of different pistols and revolvers just for fun. But my EDC pistol was chosen for that purpose for specific reasons, and it's the best of my handguns for EDC. There's no reason why I wouldn't _always_ carry the gun that I've found the _best._ Further, I learned back during the Space Race days of the 1960s: "Everything essential must be redundant." So, I must have _two_ of the same EDC pistols. They must be the same because as I said, I've chosen that gun as the _best_ for my purposes. But then, if I use it, the police will probably take it, or I might have to leave it with a gunsmith for maintenance, or I might need parts that take time to order. Then I'd have only one...but I should always have two. That means I really need to have _three_ of the same model
Excellent point
I had two Glock 43x pistols...one without a red dot and light, and one with a red dot and light. Both had Shield 15 round magazines. The thought was that I could carry the first gun for personal defense in a pocket holster, and the other on my nightstand for intruders. I sold one and bought a Glock 48 and mounted the light, sight and Shield mags on it for home defense.
So, there is some method to the madness.
I also have a Springfield Armory 1911 that I like to shoot at the range. I love it for target shooting but it is a little heavy and big for defensive carry.
Loved this. Subscribed. Thanks.
You have me thinking. Interesting concept.
Yep, 2 is 1, 1 is none…
Very good advice
I carry .38 snubs, I have two, one is a da/sa the other is da only. Both fit the same holster and I carry both in the appendix.
So I agree with philosophy on this subject.
Been buying multiples for yrs. My thinking was more for repairs. I can use the same repair parts for multiple guns. Why the vast majority of my firearms are .45 caliber. Simplifies my reloading room inventory. Good video.
Excellent information
This happened to me and I only had one gun as a new shooter. (Had to fire at a bad guy, cops took the gun) the headache of trying to get the gun back would have cost me $700(the gun was $200)…. Went out the next day and bought another $200 gun.
Along those lines I carry the 40 S&W and 9 MM shield and the 380 bodyguard
I agree with you 100%! Use one platform that you are use to and your muscle memory will be the same.
Greetings, Joel, Many thanks for the great videos, and comments. Much appreciated on both counts. A question, if I might? In San Bernardino, we can have three handguns on our permit. But, as the serial numbers for each gun are required, I don’t see how swapping to another of the same model gun can be accomplished in this County. Don’t get me wrong, as I agree with your basic premise that having two of the same gun is a big plus. I have a Glock 27, and a Glock 23, as my way of accomplishing a similar goal. In any case, please share your thoughts on being able to swap another gun, with a different serial number, if you must turn in one of your carry guns after having to use it to defend yourself. Thanks, and keep up the good work! God Bless! - Doc
For a New York reload. That’s why.
Have two kimbers that are virtually the same except one is a SS frame and the other is aluminum alloy. I have a Glock 19 and 23…again virtually the same.
Great video, Joel. Thanks for sharing.
Good point. I carry a Taurus and also have a Glock that at least fit the same holster. I'm only partially there.
We have a different reason around our house for having two of a kind. My wife and I both carry a Kahr CW9. I carry 24/7--365, her about half the time. If we're out and something happens to one of us, the other can grab the firearm and be as proficient as they can be with the other's weapon. Has worked for a quarter of a century for us.
I carry a rotation, so I'm not super concerned. But it is a very solid point. I actually own 2 Canik mc9's, mostly because I love how it shoots
Masaad Ayoob advocates a pair and a spare of your serious carry. One in use, one for backup and one to step in if either of the first two is unavailable for any reason. It sounds extravagant but magazines, holsters and ammo can quickly out price the price of the carry piece itself. 2 or 3 that can share accessories is a huge cost savings. That is half the appeal of buying into the Glock ecosystem.
Sound logic from MFA. I'd add some semi auto pistols can also use the same caliber magazines, be used the same way: sights-triggers-controls. You can buy a Glock model 34 MOS 9mm & then add a smaller Glock 26 9mm. Magazines, parts work in either. Or get a Glock 22 .40 with a 27 model sub compact. I'd add with some models like the Glock 22 or 35 series, you can quickly swap out parts, barrels & shoot 9x19, .40S&W, .357sig, .22LR(with a added kit). I own a used Glock gen 4 22 with some part upgrades, barrels, HD orange sights, LDA extractor, Glock Store slide lock. I use 9mm on security posts, carry .357sig JHPs often.
Yep. I'm really excited to see the grip modules come out for the rxm. It gives me a duplicate option that I can play around with in regards to the grip frame, while still having the ability to go back to default if need be by just swapping out the grip module. I can have a g26L, a g19 and a g45 with just a quick swap.
Good points
Great video, but the odds of using and losing the gun have to be pretty small. I do agree on all your points but the most important is interchangeable loads, accessories.
Ive always had a spare in my primary duty/CCW.
Great advice.
Outstanding video and presentation
Thank you for the video! You've given me something to think about.
When I buy things like magazines I like to know they will fit more than one of my guns so if it goes down or whatever I still have another gun that will use them- mags are expensive investments
Solid advice.
I try to get of something i feel is a great asset. And both shield and 642 are two of those. 👍🏻
Loving the CA gun content
Agreed. Happy I have other arrangements in CA. CCW process is a pain for those having to deal with that….
😮Good point. I carry a Glock, but also an Sig 380 as a back up. I think I’ll be changing that.
It's important to have 2 of the same gun so your 3rd gun won't be lonely.
Good counsel.
Good reason to not carry a high dollar gun as an EDC. But as for pairs, I try and get pairs as availability permits, just for collecting.
I'd like to have 3 or maybe even 5 of the same guns stashed in strategic areas around in the house. With easy accessibility of course.
I hear you on the staged house. It’s crazy how many people keep a bunch like all over the place so somethings always within reach. Having no kids and very few guests makes it viable otherwise it’s a little sketchy.
@WheelgunsOnWheels of course, I would make it so no grandchildren would have any access, and the friends I do have come over every once in a while are kind of on the same page.
@WheelgunsOnWheels speaking of kid, that's why I bought a fairly good size Fort knox gun safe back in I think it was 1990.
Back in the 80's, I bought three of one rifle, two of two different ones, three of a revolver. Keep Prepping my friends.
Makes sense, especially with the laws in place where you live. I live in Minnesota, where the seasons change, so what we wear changes drastically, so I switch up what I carry based on the clothing I wear. it's easier to conceal a larger tool in the winter and it makes sense to carry something with more punch when we're all layered up in thick coats. I stick with the same type of action so they operate the same. Two fit in the same holster. So I get it. It would be nice if my semi autos took the same mags.
I have 2 of each gun 365x and 365xL, Glock 19 and Glock 45 they each serve their own purpose