Would've been nice for Eric Carr's songs to have made their way onto Kiss albums. The way Eric's death & firing from the band was handled was completely egregious.
Ace wanted Eric to drum on Break Out but Gene and Paul wouldn't let him do it. Ace probably wanted to give Eric a writing credit as well because he knew a good riff.
Eric was under contract. He was never a actual member of Kiss. Eric Singer, Bruce Kulick, Tommy Thayer, Mark St John, Vincent, none of them have been actual members. Gene & Paul would never let anyone become a actual member. When Peter Criss came back, they made damn sure not to make him a member. In fact, Ace was just a hired gun on the reunion tour. Gene & Paul are business partners. Paul Stanley probably hasn't wrote 20 unassisted songs in the past 30 years. The reason Kiss lost that original sound is because they stopped working on music and placed business first. Ace's solo's however, have always sounded like a song within a song. I believe that is why he's in the top 100, greatest of all time.
@thebluesrockers I know the history thank you. They easily could have let him go and help Ace on a couple of songs. But their egos just couldn't do it. One thing I don't need is a history lesson on this band.
@@karlshuler1011 I agree, they should have allowed him to record his own damn song. I bet his drum work would have added a lot to that tune. I just prefer Ace on vocals with his band. However, if someone else was going to sing that tune Eric would have been the man to do it. He had really good vocals, you know it? His vocals on "Young & Wasted" sure kicked ass when I seen him on the Asylum tour.
The reason it took Ace several years to release his first "Frehley's Comet" album was because of a ongoing contract. When that contract ended, Ace came out with that debut album. Ace was still taking 1/4 of his Kiss earning with all things "Kiss" and had he have released his debut album, He would have had to have paid Paul, and Gene 3/4 of the profits. As far as Ace stealing the song that he and Eric had worked on, I wouldn't call that stealing. I have always said Eric Carr was perfect for the "Creatures Of The Night" & "Lick It Up" albums but I prefer Peter Criss on the drums with the 74-78 recordings. Peter was perfect for all those recordings. His jazz touch and driving grooves held the bottom end together on those albums. And I've always liked jazz drummers over Rock drummers. But again, I loved Eric Carr's drum style.
You don't know what you are talking about. They started coming up with it when Ace was still in the band- mainly Ace and Eric. Ace continued to mold it into Breakout and gave Eric writing credits. Kiss had Bruce replace Ace's guitar and released it as Carr Jam. Ace recorded it in 87- not because he was short on material but because he thought it was a great song
No one ripped anyone off! These guys were all still working together, outside of KISS. Paul helped Ace. Ace helped Gene. Etc. Etc. It was even known at THAT time. Peace!
Nobody ripped off anybody. Ace made so much money in Kiss. Kiss is a band that makes money and isn't ashamed of capitalism. Fame and fortune and everything that goes with it is what Rock and Roll is all about.
The song BreakOut /Carr Jam out sounds a bit like a song called White Lightning from the band Angel (KISS Casablanca label mates from the 70s . Check out The song White lightning from the Angel - Live without a Net album released 1980 for the hot riff & thunderous live drum solo from their drummer Barry Brandt ...I wouldn't be surprised if Eric Carr got some drum solo inspiration there . Alternatively you check out the studio version of White lightning on the 1977 On earth as it is in heaven album by Angel if you want to compare the riffs to Carr Jam breakout
if Ace played guitar on the original recording, i really hope they didn't erease the original tracks from the 24-track 2" tape when Bruce did the overdubs. if they did, i'd be very angry at Paul and Gene. would have been a very stupid move from them and the producer.
@ yes, depending on how many tracks were left to use. i hope they bounced the whole tape to another 24-track machine for the new version and saved the original tape for the archive. the problem with moving media on tape from one machine to another is that the hiss from the tape increases if you do it too many times. in this case, it would have only been one transfer which is acceptable. i find it hard to believe they did it like this since you would need another 24-track machine in the same studio which would have been rare. i think Bruce didn't want to erease anything from the original which means they recorded him on the empty tracks that were left. if it wasn't done like that, there must be two tapes, the original with Ace (if he played on it) and the copy of the original but with Bruce doing overdubs.
I have a copy of the first two demos Ace didn't do any soloing on the first onet-just rhythm but on the second he ripped. some of his best playing I have heard. Let me know if you wanna hear it. It's just them jamming and putting it together
Ace Frehley is an over rated guitarist and a low grade human being. But not as low as Gene who I'm surprised hasn't somehow sued Carr and Frehley for simply existing after their time in Kiss
Would've been nice for Eric Carr's songs to have made their way onto Kiss albums. The way Eric's death & firing from the band was handled was completely egregious.
Ace wanted Eric to drum on Break Out but Gene and Paul wouldn't let him do it. Ace probably wanted to give Eric a writing credit as well because he knew a good riff.
Eric was under contract. He was never a actual member of Kiss. Eric Singer, Bruce Kulick, Tommy Thayer, Mark St John, Vincent, none of them have been actual members. Gene & Paul would never let anyone become a actual member. When Peter Criss came back, they made damn sure not to make him a member. In fact, Ace was just a hired gun on the reunion tour.
Gene & Paul are business partners. Paul Stanley probably hasn't wrote 20 unassisted songs in the past 30 years. The reason Kiss lost that original sound is because they stopped working on music and placed business first. Ace's solo's however, have always sounded like a song within a song. I believe that is why he's in the top 100, greatest of all time.
@thebluesrockers I know the history thank you. They easily could have let him go and help Ace on a couple of songs. But their egos just couldn't do it. One thing I don't need is a history lesson on this band.
@@karlshuler1011 I agree, they should have allowed him to record his own damn song. I bet his drum work would have added a lot to that tune. I just prefer Ace on vocals with his band. However, if someone else was going to sing that tune Eric would have been the man to do it. He had really good vocals, you know it? His vocals on "Young & Wasted" sure kicked ass when I seen him on the Asylum tour.
Why is this guy yelling?
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The reason it took Ace several years to release his first "Frehley's Comet" album was because of a ongoing contract. When that contract ended, Ace came out with that debut album. Ace was still taking 1/4 of his Kiss earning with all things "Kiss" and had he have released his debut album, He would have had to have paid Paul, and Gene 3/4 of the profits.
As far as Ace stealing the song that he and Eric had worked on, I wouldn't call that stealing.
I have always said Eric Carr was perfect for the "Creatures Of The Night" & "Lick It Up" albums but I prefer Peter Criss on the drums with the 74-78 recordings. Peter was perfect for all those recordings. His jazz touch and driving grooves held the bottom end together on those albums. And I've always liked jazz drummers over Rock drummers. But again, I loved Eric Carr's drum style.
I believe Bruce's version ,
So Ace credited Eric Carr but Kiss didn’t credit Ace. Makes sense
Why would they? Eric said he composed all of the music.
@@gmoulder4567 Not all- the main riff
You don't know what you are talking about. They started coming up with it when Ace was still in the band- mainly Ace and Eric. Ace continued to mold it into Breakout and gave Eric writing credits. Kiss had Bruce replace Ace's guitar and released it as Carr Jam. Ace recorded it in 87- not because he was short on material but because he thought it was a great song
No one ripped anyone off! These guys were all still working together, outside of KISS. Paul helped Ace. Ace helped Gene. Etc. Etc. It was even known at THAT time. Peace!
the demon with short hair lol - I bolted after Dynasty
Nobody ripped off anybody. Ace made so much money in Kiss. Kiss is a band that makes money and isn't ashamed of capitalism. Fame and fortune and everything that goes with it is what Rock and Roll is all about.
The song BreakOut /Carr Jam out sounds a bit like a song called White Lightning from the band Angel (KISS Casablanca label mates from the 70s . Check out The song White lightning from the Angel - Live without a Net album released 1980 for the hot riff & thunderous live drum solo from their drummer Barry Brandt ...I wouldn't be surprised if Eric Carr got some drum solo inspiration there . Alternatively you check out the studio version of White lightning on the 1977 On earth as it is in heaven album by Angel if you want to compare the riffs to Carr Jam breakout
if Ace played guitar on the original recording, i really hope they didn't erease the original tracks from the 24-track 2" tape when Bruce did the overdubs. if they did, i'd be very angry at Paul and Gene. would have been a very stupid move from them and the producer.
As you said, IF. Not likely they would have erased anything. More likely they turned down the volume and replayed it and recorded Bruce's solo
@ yes, depending on how many tracks were left to use. i hope they bounced the whole tape to another 24-track machine for the new version and saved the original tape for the archive. the problem with moving media on tape from one machine to another is that the hiss from the tape increases if you do it too many times. in this case, it would have only been one transfer which is acceptable. i find it hard to believe they did it like this since you would need another 24-track machine in the same studio which would have been rare.
i think Bruce didn't want to erease anything from the original which means they recorded him on the empty tracks that were left. if it wasn't done like that, there must be two tapes, the original with Ace (if he played on it) and the copy of the original but with Bruce doing overdubs.
I have a copy of the first two demos Ace didn't do any soloing on the first onet-just rhythm but on the second he ripped. some of his best playing I have heard. Let me know if you wanna hear it. It's just them jamming and putting it together
Ace never ripped no one off!! Gene per usual is a Liar.
I have the original demo with Ace and Eric. If anyone wants to hear it hit me up
Eric would have got royalties from Ace's album sales.
he did
Nice Bait Click title. Any true KISS fan knows this.
Which one gave Eric money while he was alive? Right.
Great video cat!
Thanks, man! I'm glad you enjoyed it! 🤘
*Rip it Off
I see what you did there!
Take my song...
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@1968spikey 🤣🤣🤣
Why is he yelling? And interview says Eric Carr was happy…nobody ripped nobody off…
I wouldn't call it a rip off ..ace got his credit as did eric
No "rip off" from Eric Carr.
It was Sebastian Bach who complained Ace ripped his song off. Can you please make a info-clip about this?
@@HappyMachorino-bd8no Here you go!
ruclips.net/video/-hg_KimuHpo/видео.htmlsi=MFFrgW8JhF_FZrgk
I wish I could retract my view
This is crap. Ace didn't rip Eric off.. they were friends and Eric got paid for the use of the track.
Eric would have got royalties from Ace's album sales
Interesting
Ace Frehley is an over rated guitarist and a low grade human being.
But not as low as Gene who I'm surprised hasn't somehow sued Carr and Frehley for simply existing after their time in Kiss
And you.??
@@Acejustforalaugh Someone who doesn't worship entitled jack ass's