Weight isn't totally irrelevant (a 13kg race bike will be slower than a 7kg one), but it's not the biggest factor. For a 70kg rider on a 7kg bike, a 1kg weight saving is a negligible weight difference and will make a tiny difference up hill, but on the flats and downhills it will likely be slower. Having said that, part of people's frustration is likely that to get a 7kg aero bike is a £10k investment which is, frankly, ridiculous.
For those enraged by the added weight of the aero bike I ask this, how many of us (myself included) are carrying an extra 1, 2, 3, + kilograms of weight on our bodies? I know I could lose excess weight to make up for the difference an aero bike vs lightweight climbing bike incurs.
@@25jmarch Absolutely. How many of us have ripped, pancake stomachs? That leaves 98% of us out of the conversation. I'm often in Central Park here in NYC. It's generally the super-rich who ride their $15,000 Calfees and Pinarellos around the loop. They have all the right gear. The bibs. The gel shorts. The featherweight shoes... and yet their beer bellies touch the top tube. Oh no, this isn't about losing weight. See you at Peter Luger's!
@@davidhunternyc1 absolutely. I’ve lost 20 pounds from the weight I was riding with last summer (Too many beers and pastries last year) this yea with the same bike, very similar power, but lots of PR’s this season.
I would suggest that when you're playing £10,000 for a bike, weight really does matter. At that price, you really should be able to expect both top end aerodynamics and light weight.
How much time do you spend climbing vs flat or downhill? If you were ONLY riding uphill get the lightweight bike .. Whats the point in going faster up the hill when you are 2 minutes behind the AERO bike?
@@johnnybravo1912 I spend more time climbing than riding on flats. In the past 3-4 years, I've climbed in average more than 1000m for every 100 km ridden, at average speeds under 25 km/h. An aero bike is pointless in this case.
I have Hi-mod team edition 2021. I live in the middle hilly country, CZ. It is pretty fast bike. I have quicker times on the same tracks then I did on Focus Izalco max(6,9 kg). Benefits on the flat roads and small hills is bigger then weight. However, depend on a stage. To the Alps I would prefer Supersix, but for all other stages SystemSix. It just look beasty and great :)
I won a Masters national crit championships on a Systemsix - it is very fast on the flat and undulating courses, but i prefer my supersix for hilly road races, simply because its about 1.5kg lighter. In choosing a light weight versus an aero bike, it is also important to consider how heavy you are relative to the bike (e.g. 88kg Conor Dunne is less likely to be disadvantaged riding an 8kg Systemsix compared to 63kg Rigoberto Uran).
Yeah, aero does beat weight, but it’s really hard to actually prove that an “aero road bike” is actually aero. Companies constantly claim of aero gains when in reality it’s just a bunch of marketing BS. If you want to actually “get aero” learn to ride in a more aerodynamic position, buy a skin suit, and also buy a helmet specifically made for TT events.
Precisely... Marketing can't make crazy claims regarding weight since everybody has access to a scale, but they can make whatever aero gains claims they want since those are pretty impossible to disprove unless you have access to a wind tunnel... If weight wasn't important at all, pros wouldn't be riding lightweight (and often rim brake) bikes in the hillier stages of the GTs.
Power to weight ratio will always be a thing when your using a high performance vehicle. Aero at low speed hill climbing will give very little gain. The extra weight will be an issue.
So that logic says my 3600 peak wattage at 235 lbs. is slowing me down and I should slim down to 200 pounds with less muscle and a peak wattage of 2900 so that I can get my body up hills better. I never come out of the saddle on group rides in hills while the other riders are left stood on the pedals gasping for air.
I used to ride a very heavy steel bike and didn't really notice the extra weight when climbing hills. The geometry was very favorable, so I was able to put down more power than with the other bike I was riding at the time (the other bike wasn't my size), so it's probably not a fair comparison. Additionally, the heavy steel bike was a tri-fork, so as long as I wasn't riding into a crosswind, there was a significant aero advantage. In fact my only issue with the cheap steel bike was the drivetrain. At around 21-22 mph on the flats, I was running out of gears.
I bought this bike and in flats it goes very fast. Once you go over 27 mph you don't need the same amount of effort required in other bikes (non aero) to mantain a high speed. I had a Tarmac which is a lighter bike but I used to get dropped in fast rides. With the Cannondale, although is heavier, I don't get dropped that easy.
First of all: Thank you for bringing us the latest tec etc. BUT can we come back to a little more realistic price points? I mean we all love eTap etc. but the price inflation across the board in the last few years is insane. Maybe you can also make a new video category: Best bang for your buck bike 2021?
I love diving deep into tech and looking at marginal gains but as someone who’s been riding road on an mtb for the past month I’ve come to realize that you don’t need the best everything. All you need is something that you can have fun on and won’t break while you’re riding. I’d rather have a bike that works than waiting forever to make enough money to buy the top spec bike.
As a owner of one, just let me tell you!! It’s AWESOME!!! Such a pretty, sexy and fast beast!! I couldn’t be happier!! Well I’m thinking on getting the CFR also hahaha the Aero Gains are worth it 😁😁!!
Si's TT vs the whole squad series kinda proves areo is king in going fast in a race. That said most would likely prefer light given the speeds most people average.
When Sprinting and going uphill, weight does matter. I have one question for you: - If weight doesn’t matter why are EF education not using the SystemSix, not even on the flats, it’s all SuperSix Evo.
That's not true if you would be watching TDF carefully you would spot it there, not the entire team, but some guys have been using it. So be careful with your claims before posting.
@@bayerr12 As far as I know Rigoberto Uran’ only used his SystemSix on the final stages. I can’t remember have seen the SystemSix on any other stages. If so it has been very rarely.
I am all in for the looks of aero bikes with aero wheels. The aero wheels are a bit annoying on daily use because of the wind, but the aero frames are my favorites. This Canondale and the Giant propel are the best looking bikes around.
Regarding the weight I was always obsessed with breaking the limit. I'm riding 61 cm frames. My lightes bike was 2017 Scott Addict SL with Enve 3.4 tubular wheels. Its weight was 6 kg with pedals, cages, comp holder. Last year I made a switch to the reviewed bike, just the champagne color (agree that it this year color it would not be my choice). Now the point. In the area where I'm living 900 m hills around, flat for me is 350 m on 30 km if I'd like to do flats. The hill just needs to my home in 10 km long with 6,5% grade, 550 m elevation. The SistemSix performs the same with its 8 kg as the Scott. The SS is faster on descends, flats and I confirm that is very handy. All personal records have been beaten on the SS. So for me the aero works. For the pro's on the a 3 week race having 1 kg more can be victory desiding factor, but I'm not qualified to judge this. I can only share my experience with a bike with 2 kg difference.
Hard to deny real-life use. I think weight becomes more of a factor when the grade increases - maybe gets in the double digits, 12%+. I don't know - never tested.
I have this bike and I agreed with him...tyres need to go no good everyday use, this bike is amazing had this bike with the Di2 for still January and the speed of this thing is unreal on flats I can get mid 30's no problem very happy with this thing
Beautiful review of my dream bike. The systemsix is not just a great fast bike, I think it’s the most beautiful looking bike ever! Yes, weight is not everything, if I want to reduce the weight of my bike I will start with my body weight! 😂
If aero had advantage over weight, all of the riders at a grand tour would pick aero bike over light-weight. Some companies have decided to dodge this dilemma of aero vs light-weight, by completely omit aero model, and call their light-weight bike an aero bike, such as Specialized SL7.
when you are comparing a heavy aero bike to a lighter climbing bike, and the differences on a short climb are seconds, those extra lost seconds still means you got dropped or lost the race. Testing seems to show that, aero depends on the speed and grade of the climb and aero starts to balance equally with weight at around 5%, and the lose as the gradient increases. Dropping water bottles and a saddle bag can offer you a few more seconds on a segment, so yeah, weight does matter.
Assuming that you have lightweight wheels (especially rims), and crank/pedals - all of the other weight of the bike is static and is part of the "system weight" which included bike and rider. If the average rider is 72 kg and the light bike weighs 6.8 kg - then they system weight is 78.8 kg. If the bike weighs 8kg then the system weight is 80kg. The additional weight means that the overall system weight is 1.5% heavier. This could cause marginal losses on steep, or long climbs...but the aero bike will be faster in all other sections of a given ride. So while you would do well on a light bike for a hill climb event - the aero bike will be faster in every other scenario. I love my SystemSix!! And you don't need the top spec to take advantage of the aero savings. I have the bottom spec which is the non HiMod frame and components are Ultegra mechanical - it is a fast bike...especially going down hills!!
I love my SystemSix Hi-Mod. Absolutely nothing beats it in a straight line. Nothing. End of..... and it keeps TT bikes honest. Just stop making videos about it. Last thing I need is for more riders showing up with it at my local Crits. hahahaha I run mine with Conti 5000 Tubeless 28mm and a 38cm Knot System Handlebar. Best.... Bike..... Ever!!!!!
Sorry bro, but my bike is faster. xD I have Felt AR FRD latest version with rim brakes, size 58. 65mm deep wheels and 25mm Schwalbe pro one. Enve SES aero cockpit 39cm on hoods and 44cm on drops. 7,7kg with Asioma duo, botle cage, computer and varia radar mounts. Groupset is Ultegra di2. Both are stuning bikes for sure. Have a nice rides.
@@mislevis Felt AR frame CdA is higher than SystemSix frame, so SystemSix is the faster platform. Deep wheels help with cutting through wind but it will be somewhat unstable in crosswinds. I'd say SystemSix is still faster overall. Great setup on your Felt though!
To be honest, the debate is less about weight and more about what you get for your $13,000. If I'm paying that much for a damn bicycle I better see the manufacturers going the extra mile; I should be getting aero AND light. I should be getting body-specific geometry. I should be getting custom paint colors. I get that hobbies are expensive, but at least a Ferrari is a cathartically different experience than a Corvette for costing an order of magnitude more. I can't say the same about bicycles.
#BikeRadar this is spot on. I’m not Andrew Feather or Richard Carapaz. Why spend tons of money measuring grams when I’m the heavy guy? Give me aero any day.
Amazing presentation. And I like aero bikes a lot. Just that the System Six has always looked wonky to me. 8kg for a road bike if it costs around 2.5k is alright. Heck that's what my road bike weighs with midrange components. But for the price of that bike? Heck no. I'd rather get a bike that's both aero and light.
I bought a SystemSix a couple of years ago. A very fast bike. But, at 46 and more a sportive and weekend rider than a racer, I’ve traded it in for a Specialized Aethos. It’s more comfortable and easier to climb. But all my PBs are on the SystemSix 🤷🏻♂️
I had that bike. Brake rub every ride, maddening. The knot wheels had no compatible tire, 30mins per tire change. Lastly the bike is heavy, very heavy. On the plus side the bars are great and the AXIS group set is lovely.
Well, Tarmac sl7 has the most stage wins, both Giro and Tdf are won on rim brakes, most Trek Segafredo riders choose émonda over Madone…… The only reason that pure aero bikes sell like a hot cake is because they are way flashy/cool than climbing bikes
nice bike however it is missing edge. price, weight and design I would choose project one madone or canyon aerod cfr or sworks tarmac sl7 other bikes beating systemsix in design, weight, component and price!
If a 7kg bike for £10,000 qualifies as 'progress' I prefer to be stuck in the past, with my newly acquired 2017 Super 6 @5.55kg (54cm w.o. pedals or w.b. cages) ...
Yes Aero is faster more of the time, but most non-professionals ride bikes for pleasure and a light weight bike is more responsive, more flattering and more fun to ride than an aero bike even if it is ultimately slower.
It's around 2.9 kg heavier than my 2008 Fuji SL/1 (5.1 kg w/ pedals and bottle cage). This is below UCI limit, but USA Cycling rules don't have a weight limit, just a safety requirement. If I'm climbing @ 1200 VAM, this adds 28.4 joules/meter, or @ 1 meter / 3 seconds, 9.5 watts. If I'm climbing @ 20 kph (6% grade), offsetting this would require a CdA reduction of 0.09, which is close to all of the aerodynamic drag of bike + wheels. So my 13 year old Fuji is in theory faster. Of course much of the Cannondale's excess mass is in the disc brakes, which do nothing for climbing speed, and if pro stage racing results tell anything, don't help with overall race results either (no Grand tour has as yet been won purely on disc brakes).
Tadej Pogacar won the Tour, not a bike. He would have won with a disc bike just as well. Also, yeah, a lighter bike is faster if all you ride is 1200 VAM climbing. Even if all you do is climbing, there has to be some descending or headwind sections, right?
@@LarsRR Sure, except in hill climbs which are fairly popular, but I've seen no evidence in dry conditions that disc brake riders are dropping rim brake riders. Do rim brake riders crash more? If you don't count Thomas... And honestly don't think many riders spend much time in their lives descending at the limit in the rain.
I'm not a natural buyer for a full on aero bike but i'm lucky to have a Cervelo S3 which almost looks identical to the dale including the colour! Weighs more than my CAAD but is faster everywhere than my 2015 6.3kg Evo and as i don't have any climbs longer than 6 minutes works surprisingly well. I feel that the evo accelerates faster but that could just comedown to perception or the different gearing of compact vs mid
Rather than bike makers claiming to have made the fastest, lightest, most aero or whatever I’d instead love a bike maker to invest in creating the most reliable, comfortable or easiest to maintain/customise. We’re already at the extreme end of what our technology is capable of (and UCI will allow) so any gains are always going to be tiny (2W here or 0.02seconds there) so focusing on other real world metrics for the people that actually buy the bikes would possibly offer more design, engineering and marketing opportunities.
People whining about weight and Miguel Indurain was crushing it at the TDF on his Banesto team-issued Pinarello weighing 10.2kg 💀... Is on the legs guys... As they say in my country "No es la flecha, es el Indio" (Is not the arrow, is the Indian) 🤷♂
Simon, handlebars should be the width of your shoulders and shouldn't have to do with being "more aero" that's only for pro's. So people with wider shoulders should be able to get 44cm, I myself have more narrow shoulders so I choose 38 or 40cm but it has NOTHING to do with aero! I really hatye this notion that people think narrow bars are for aero and not for fit and to bad you guys don't help with this! Aerobikes in it self is also a very niche in the whole industry and for a good reason because lets be honest if you are not racing you don't need to be "aero" you first need to be comfortable and most aerobikes are just not as comfortable as their climbingbike brothers and because of the stupid aerobars a lot harder to work on! Also weight does matter especially on steep short climbs (my aera for example) where you have no advantage with aerobikes, trust me my latest bike is more aero than the one before but I'm slower up the climbs (and that's because I gained some weight). For us normies (so people above 20 BMI) we don't go fast enough to have an aero advantage on climbs!
10,000 quid? Ugh. Unfortunately, most of these that will be sold are to people who are 15 kilos overweight and just want to impress their mates. What would be more impressive is if they lost the weight and bought a bike at a quarter of the price...and they'd be three times as fast.
@@Indoor-Cyling-Revolution sorry what? Why do you tali about who buys what bike at what weight, I was refering to beiing jelaous at their bikes :). Keep it up with the fitness
@@_Philip_. Sorry, I was posting someplace else that wasn’t meant for you. No not at all. Put me on a cheap bike and I can smoke 99% of the people out there.
@@_Philip_. there is no more satisfying feeling then doing a seated climb at a monstrous pace, and passing people who are up out of the saddle and struggling. Especially when you’re on the less expensive bike. It’s as if you’re saying to them, “yeah, you’re a poser, no matter how much money you spend… I’m still gonna kick your ass“. I have A time trial bike that’s around that price, but for me, every gram counts.
At 10k, surely you're looking at low to mid 7kg for an aerobike. A smidge under 8kg is something I would expect in the 3k price range. From statistics, there is not denying that an aerobike will reign supreme on the flats and mild to moderate climbs. But there is also something about a lightweight bike being thrown around when you stamp on the pedals out of the saddle going up a climb. Similar thing can be said about the ease at which an aerobike holds its speed on the flats...
MTB guy here. Is a true aero bike like this one for racing only, or do some of you guys and gals buy them for everyday road riding as your one and only bike?
If you are racing uphill and have nothing on you or the bike then bike weight makes some difference. For the rest of us that that carry two water bottles, tools, 2x inner tube, bike pump, food, extra clothes it makes no difference. If care about 2 to 3lbs savings between bikes there's cheaper ways to save it for what's in your load bag.
Its all about greed mate. All about ripping people off in the cycling industry. But you can’t blame them, blame the fools who falls for marketing bs that has disposable income. It is what it is.
Then why do Pro's switch bikes for mountain stages? Hmm I was one of the 1st people who received a System Six in the USA back in 2018. It sux at climbing due to its weight
My current steed is considerably weightier than 7.9kg, so it seems like a mighty fine lightweight option to me! I don’t live anywhere near an Alp either! When can you drop one off? A 54cm would be perfect. Thanks!
Totally agree about the weight vs aero argument. As a percentage of (rider+total bike weight) 1kg is naff all. Compare that to the ratio of drag and speed, and boom. My opinion is that it’s about CdA and stiffness and if you need a lighter bike, have a big shit before your ride 😀
I’m looking for aero bikes always liked the system six heard a comment about the weight once but 7.9kg is nothing plenty light enough to be good uphill aswell as on the flats I have a giant tcr advanced pro1 I’m sure that’s similar weight without the aero so this I’m sure would be a fantastic upgrade.
I always wonder what people do to have "calm handling" in gusty conditions with 65mm rims. It always seems like i'm driving drunk in those conditions, whatever 50-60mm rims I ride and i'm even a higher weight. I'm just guessing that I call gusty conditions something more extreme
For 10k, I'd really want all cables hidden and the bike lighter. So instead I spent 7k AUD and got a propel that's lighter and has everything hidden. And it's bloody fast too. If I start to worry about weight, I just remind myself to eat less and not be a fatty. Perfomance for free!
If you lose 1 kg of body weight it’s not the same as the bike losing 1 kg. Try shoes that weigh 500 grams each vs 250 grams and you will see a crazy difference. It’s about the thing that transports you.
Wow!! 7.9k for a 10g bike got to be out of your mind, bikes keep getting more expensive can we just get a aero bike at 6.8 uci limit , do you think f1 or motogp teams come in over weigh i think not
these brands think we customers are stupid ... instead of going under 6,8 they only modify bikes for pros and for rest they make new bikes extremely heavy with no bike quality compensation ... it will be soon like with car industry ... older cars will have more value than newer
You can wake up in the morning and be 2kg lighter - bike weight in the 6.8kg - 8.5kg range makes little difference. A lot of Pro teams don’t even bother getting their bikes down to 6.8kg
This bike was really easy to assemble ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
If you wear headphones while you ride you'll never hear your creaky bb (BB90 in my case) or disc brake pad rub. Before you attack me in the comments, a lot of riders wear headphones, it's not just me, lol
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@@bikeradar cheers for clearing that up I assumed and got it wrong. I've watched too much of GCN I think getting sick of every video referring to buying a whoop or disc brakes lol
Why am i continually reading the body position is 70% the biggest aero gain in how you ride,and the rest is frame,wheels and lycra,,save your money and change your position
Why did they outfit it with the Vittoria Rubino Pro? They are around 5 watts slower PER Tire than something like a Continental GP5000 C. Basically that alone takes away the entire Speed advantage it has over the Supersix Evo.
Please, there is no such thing as "Watts slower"! While speed factors into power, it is still measured in kilometers/miles per hour, not Watts. But you are right that a less-than 20$ tyre does not belong on an almost 10,000$ bike.
Weight matters more for RECREATIONAL riders unless you live in a very flat area. Most recreational riders cruise on the flats and save their their energy for hills. Have you ever met a cyclist who goes all out on the flats and then takes it easy on the climbs ?
Depends what you’re doing. If your doing a long group ride you won’t notice any aero advantage in a pack. But you’d wish you had a lighter bike when the road ramps up. If your riding solo wanting to go faster you could always just put on aero bar clips or learn how to hold a better position. System six is unrealistically heavy. “Super”six evo is a sweet bike though
Guys, it's easy, below 40 kph, on a bendy track, or climbing, you really do care about weight, and aero is an afterthought, but if you go over 40 kph and ride in a straight line a lot, aero has a bigger impact. For racing / pros who ride at blistering speeds and have a min weight requirement aero will make all the difference, but for the average rider weight will still affect ride quality and speed more, especially since you can go below 6.8 kg for your personal bike.
Sram axs is several watts slower than shimano. And for the weight, come to the alps were I live and you are going to save every gram. Aero+relative low weight up to 7.5 kg ok but not way over 8 kg.
Why not shed 5kg and those grams do not matter. Its the engine not the bike. Im sure sagan riding this bike will drop you and other weight weenies weekend warrior to dust. Grams don’t matter to average punter like you and majority of consumers. Plain and simple.
@@PhiyackYuh what if i cant shed 5 kg? Im 180 cm and weight 63/64 kg. Of course its tue engine and of course sagan would drop me but thats not the topic
10K quid but comes with Rubino Pros?? That alone shows the credibility of cannondale’s marketing claims to me. You earned my downvote with your scientific opinion of weight doesn’t matter. Where is the data for your informed opinion again?
@@dominicbritt vittoria’s top of the line is Corsa series, fantastic tires and they cost about double the dollar of Rubinos. Vittoria sponsored team DSM used Corsas on the TT stage on TdF.
@@cyclingchainsawchap9822 dude pay attention. It's a Centerlock rotor. It's a SRAM XR rotor. Centerlock is patented by Shimano, so it uses a lock ring made by Shimano.
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Weight isn't totally irrelevant (a 13kg race bike will be slower than a 7kg one), but it's not the biggest factor. For a 70kg rider on a 7kg bike, a 1kg weight saving is a negligible weight difference and will make a tiny difference up hill, but on the flats and downhills it will likely be slower.
Having said that, part of people's frustration is likely that to get a 7kg aero bike is a £10k investment which is, frankly, ridiculous.
Yikes !!! It's really heavy !!!
For those enraged by the added weight of the aero bike I ask this, how many of us (myself included) are carrying an extra 1, 2, 3, + kilograms of weight on our bodies? I know I could lose excess weight to make up for the difference an aero bike vs lightweight climbing bike incurs.
@@25jmarch Absolutely. How many of us have ripped, pancake stomachs? That leaves 98% of us out of the conversation. I'm often in Central Park here in NYC. It's generally the super-rich who ride their $15,000 Calfees and Pinarellos around the loop. They have all the right gear. The bibs. The gel shorts. The featherweight shoes... and yet their beer bellies touch the top tube. Oh no, this isn't about losing weight. See you at Peter Luger's!
@@davidhunternyc1 absolutely. I’ve lost 20 pounds from the weight I was riding with last summer (Too many beers and pastries last year) this yea with the same bike, very similar power, but lots of PR’s this season.
I love The beauty and simplicity of a light weight bike
Agreed. The "simplicity" part is impossible. Somehow, they've got to get rid of the logos! They give me a headache.
I would suggest that when you're playing £10,000 for a bike, weight really does matter. At that price, you really should be able to expect both top end aerodynamics and light weight.
I'd say its tendancy to destroy its own headtube is what really matters
Agreed, at that price, I would expect the setup to be at the UCI limit.
@@messi9991 your back wouldn't agree
@@dantindley5181 what does the weight of the bike have to do with my back?
@@messi9991 i was talking as if everything would be set at uci limit. The position you would be in on the bike would be painful
7.1/7.2 kg aero vs 6.8kg…ok maybe it’ll be close. 8.5kg aero vs 6.8kg climbing? No.
How much time do you spend climbing vs flat or downhill? If you were ONLY riding uphill get the lightweight bike ..
Whats the point in going faster up the hill when you are 2 minutes behind the AERO bike?
@@johnnybravo1912 I spend more time climbing than riding on flats. In the past 3-4 years, I've climbed in average more than 1000m for every 100 km ridden, at average speeds under 25 km/h. An aero bike is pointless in this case.
@@11robotics amazing...
@@johnnybravo1912 because LWbike will get draft from aerobike on flat way more easy than aerobike get draft from LWbike on climb.
@@Nicky458itl you believe what you want.. ,😁
I love aero bikes I think they always look super cool. Im glad companies are still developing them
I have Hi-mod team edition 2021. I live in the middle hilly country, CZ. It is pretty fast bike. I have quicker times on the same tracks then I did on Focus Izalco max(6,9 kg). Benefits on the flat roads and small hills is bigger then weight. However, depend on a stage. To the Alps I would prefer Supersix, but for all other stages SystemSix. It just look beasty and great :)
I’ve got an Ultegra High Mod and love it. Getting GP5000s on those rims was …. …. hard. If I get a flat that won’t seal out on the road I am effed
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I won a Masters national crit championships on a Systemsix - it is very fast on the flat and undulating courses, but i prefer my supersix for hilly road races, simply because its about 1.5kg lighter. In choosing a light weight versus an aero bike, it is also important to consider how heavy you are relative to the bike (e.g. 88kg Conor Dunne is less likely to be disadvantaged riding an 8kg Systemsix compared to 63kg Rigoberto Uran).
Yeah, aero does beat weight, but it’s really hard to actually prove that an “aero road bike” is actually aero. Companies constantly claim of aero gains when in reality it’s just a bunch of marketing BS. If you want to actually “get aero” learn to ride in a more aerodynamic position, buy a skin suit, and also buy a helmet specifically made for TT events.
Don’t see EF-education using the system six, which they surely would if it was actually faster
Precisely... Marketing can't make crazy claims regarding weight since everybody has access to a scale, but they can make whatever aero gains claims they want since those are pretty impossible to disprove unless you have access to a wind tunnel... If weight wasn't important at all, pros wouldn't be riding lightweight (and often rim brake) bikes in the hillier stages of the GTs.
Base on my experience with an aero bike, it's absolutely crap on low speeds. But its easy to maintain at least 30km/h. It kinda worth it
Power to weight ratio will always be a thing when your using a high performance vehicle. Aero at low speed hill climbing will give very little gain. The extra weight will be an issue.
So that logic says my 3600 peak wattage at 235 lbs. is slowing me down and I should slim down to 200 pounds with less muscle and a peak wattage of 2900 so that I can get my body up hills better. I never come out of the saddle on group rides in hills while the other riders are left stood on the pedals gasping for air.
@@jmorgan87 lol with that power you'd be faster than MVDP on a flat 😂
... when you're* using ...
Not if you take a dump before riding…
I used to ride a very heavy steel bike and didn't really notice the extra weight when climbing hills. The geometry was very favorable, so I was able to put down more power than with the other bike I was riding at the time (the other bike wasn't my size), so it's probably not a fair comparison. Additionally, the heavy steel bike was a tri-fork, so as long as I wasn't riding into a crosswind, there was a significant aero advantage. In fact my only issue with the cheap steel bike was the drivetrain. At around 21-22 mph on the flats, I was running out of gears.
I bought this bike and in flats it goes very fast. Once you go over 27 mph you don't need the same amount of effort required in other bikes (non aero) to mantain a high speed. I had a Tarmac which is a lighter bike but I used to get dropped in fast rides. With the Cannondale, although is heavier, I don't get dropped that easy.
I have one at the moment and could not be happier. If you don't have steep climbs this is the perfect bike.
First of all: Thank you for bringing us the latest tec etc. BUT can we come back to a little more realistic price points? I mean we all love eTap etc. but the price inflation across the board in the last few years is insane.
Maybe you can also make a new video category: Best bang for your buck bike 2021?
Felix has got to be one of the best Bike Radar Presenters!
I love diving deep into tech and looking at marginal gains but as someone who’s been riding road on an mtb for the past month I’ve come to realize that you don’t need the best everything. All you need is something that you can have fun on and won’t break while you’re riding. I’d rather have a bike that works than waiting forever to make enough money to buy the top spec bike.
As a owner of one, just let me tell you!! It’s AWESOME!!! Such a pretty, sexy and fast beast!! I couldn’t be happier!! Well I’m thinking on getting the CFR also hahaha the Aero Gains are worth it 😁😁!!
Si's TT vs the whole squad series kinda proves areo is king in going fast in a race. That said most would likely prefer light given the speeds most people average.
Si's TT vs not whole squad but on climb?
When Sprinting and going uphill, weight does matter.
I have one question for you:
- If weight doesn’t matter why are EF education not using the SystemSix, not even on the flats, it’s all SuperSix Evo.
That's not true if you would be watching TDF carefully you would spot it there, not the entire team, but some guys have been using it. So be careful with your claims before posting.
@@bayerr12 As far as I know Rigoberto Uran’ only used his SystemSix on the final stages. I can’t remember have seen the SystemSix on any other stages. If so it has been very rarely.
... weight does* matter* ... if weight doesn't matter* ... as far* as ...
I am all in for the looks of aero bikes with aero wheels. The aero wheels are a bit annoying on daily use because of the wind, but the aero frames are my favorites. This Canondale and the Giant propel are the best looking bikes around.
Regarding the weight I was always obsessed with breaking the limit. I'm riding 61 cm frames. My lightes bike was 2017 Scott Addict SL with Enve 3.4 tubular wheels. Its weight was 6 kg with pedals, cages, comp holder. Last year I made a switch to the reviewed bike, just the champagne color (agree that it this year color it would not be my choice). Now the point. In the area where I'm living 900 m hills around, flat for me is 350 m on 30 km if I'd like to do flats. The hill just needs to my home in 10 km long with 6,5% grade, 550 m elevation. The SistemSix performs the same with its 8 kg as the Scott. The SS is faster on descends, flats and I confirm that is very handy. All personal records have been beaten on the SS. So for me the aero works. For the pro's on the a 3 week race having 1 kg more can be victory desiding factor, but I'm not qualified to judge this. I can only share my experience with a bike with 2 kg difference.
Hard to deny real-life use. I think weight becomes more of a factor when the grade increases - maybe gets in the double digits, 12%+. I don't know - never tested.
I have this bike and I agreed with him...tyres need to go no good everyday use, this bike is amazing had this bike with the Di2 for still January and the speed of this thing is unreal on flats I can get mid 30's no problem very happy with this thing
Beautiful review of my dream bike. The systemsix is not just a great fast bike, I think it’s the most beautiful looking bike ever! Yes, weight is not everything, if I want to reduce the weight of my bike I will start with my body weight! 😂
If aero had advantage over weight, all of the riders at a grand tour would pick aero bike over light-weight.
Some companies have decided to dodge this dilemma of aero vs light-weight, by completely omit aero model, and call their light-weight bike an aero bike, such as Specialized SL7.
when you are comparing a heavy aero bike to a lighter climbing bike, and the differences on a short climb are seconds, those extra lost seconds still means you got dropped or lost the race. Testing seems to show that, aero depends on the speed and grade of the climb and aero starts to balance equally with weight at around 5%, and the lose as the gradient increases. Dropping water bottles and a saddle bag can offer you a few more seconds on a segment, so yeah, weight does matter.
8.5kg riding weigh. or 6.5kg.... I really do not want lug 2kg more... ever...
You could drive to Koblenz if you want to test out an Aeroad before buying. Bigger problem will actually be to find one available.
Assuming that you have lightweight wheels (especially rims), and crank/pedals - all of the other weight of the bike is static and is part of the "system weight" which included bike and rider. If the average rider is 72 kg and the light bike weighs 6.8 kg - then they system weight is 78.8 kg. If the bike weighs 8kg then the system weight is 80kg. The additional weight means that the overall system weight is 1.5% heavier. This could cause marginal losses on steep, or long climbs...but the aero bike will be faster in all other sections of a given ride. So while you would do well on a light bike for a hill climb event - the aero bike will be faster in every other scenario. I love my SystemSix!! And you don't need the top spec to take advantage of the aero savings. I have the bottom spec which is the non HiMod frame and components are Ultegra mechanical - it is a fast bike...especially going down hills!!
I love my SystemSix Hi-Mod. Absolutely nothing beats it in a straight line. Nothing. End of..... and it keeps TT bikes honest. Just stop making videos about it. Last thing I need is for more riders showing up with it at my local Crits. hahahaha I run mine with Conti 5000 Tubeless 28mm and a 38cm Knot System Handlebar. Best.... Bike..... Ever!!!!!
Sorry bro, but my bike is faster. xD I have Felt AR FRD latest version with rim brakes, size 58. 65mm deep wheels and 25mm Schwalbe pro one. Enve SES aero cockpit 39cm on hoods and 44cm on drops. 7,7kg with Asioma duo, botle cage, computer and varia radar mounts. Groupset is Ultegra di2. Both are stuning bikes for sure. Have a nice rides.
@@mislevis doubt it 😆
@@mislevis Felt AR frame CdA is higher than SystemSix frame, so SystemSix is the faster platform. Deep wheels help with cutting through wind but it will be somewhat unstable in crosswinds. I'd say SystemSix is still faster overall. Great setup on your Felt though!
To be honest, the debate is less about weight and more about what you get for your $13,000. If I'm paying that much for a damn bicycle I better see the manufacturers going the extra mile; I should be getting aero AND light. I should be getting body-specific geometry. I should be getting custom paint colors. I get that hobbies are expensive, but at least a Ferrari is a cathartically different experience than a Corvette for costing an order of magnitude more. I can't say the same about bicycles.
#BikeRadar this is spot on. I’m not Andrew Feather or Richard Carapaz. Why spend tons of money measuring grams when I’m the heavy guy? Give me aero any day.
What would be the weight and price difference, if it has Sram Rival? technically almost the same, but the clutch, just heavier.
Amazing presentation. And I like aero bikes a lot. Just that the System Six has always looked wonky to me.
8kg for a road bike if it costs around 2.5k is alright. Heck that's what my road bike weighs with midrange components. But for the price of that bike? Heck no. I'd rather get a bike that's both aero and light.
Position on a bike means a hell of a lot more than the frame being aerodynamic.
I bought a SystemSix a couple of years ago. A very fast bike. But, at 46 and more a sportive and weekend rider than a racer, I’ve traded it in for a Specialized Aethos. It’s more comfortable and easier to climb. But all my PBs are on the SystemSix 🤷🏻♂️
I had that bike. Brake rub every ride, maddening. The knot wheels had no compatible tire, 30mins per tire change. Lastly the bike is heavy, very heavy. On the plus side the bars are great and the AXIS group set is lovely.
Well, Tarmac sl7 has the most stage wins, both Giro and Tdf are won on rim brakes, most Trek Segafredo riders choose émonda over Madone…… The only reason that pure aero bikes sell like a hot cake is because they are way flashy/cool than climbing bikes
Beauty!!! Great vid. 💜🚲 Greetings from Dallas. Tx.
Areo bikes are still around
They're called recumbents !
Still nice bike though whatever it is called.
but they suck at going uphill
@@DaveCM
The Bacchetta High Racer bicycle recumbent I ride climbs hills just fine.
6:00 it actually isn't. You can go to their store in Koblenz, Germany and ride it. Did that. ;)
nice bike however it is missing edge. price, weight and design I would choose project one madone or canyon aerod cfr or sworks tarmac sl7 other bikes beating systemsix in design, weight, component and price!
If a 7kg bike for £10,000 qualifies as 'progress' I prefer to be stuck in the past, with my newly acquired 2017 Super 6 @5.55kg (54cm w.o. pedals or w.b. cages) ...
Yes Aero is faster more of the time, but most non-professionals ride bikes for pleasure and a light weight bike is more responsive, more flattering and more fun to ride than an aero bike even if it is ultimately slower.
It's around 2.9 kg heavier than my 2008 Fuji SL/1 (5.1 kg w/ pedals and bottle cage). This is below UCI limit, but USA Cycling rules don't have a weight limit, just a safety requirement. If I'm climbing @ 1200 VAM, this adds 28.4 joules/meter, or @ 1 meter / 3 seconds, 9.5 watts. If I'm climbing @ 20 kph (6% grade), offsetting this would require a CdA reduction of 0.09, which is close to all of the aerodynamic drag of bike + wheels. So my 13 year old Fuji is in theory faster. Of course much of the Cannondale's excess mass is in the disc brakes, which do nothing for climbing speed, and if pro stage racing results tell anything, don't help with overall race results either (no Grand tour has as yet been won purely on disc brakes).
Just wondering how often you race entirely up a 6 percent plus climb,
Tadej Pogacar won the Tour, not a bike. He would have won with a disc bike just as well.
Also, yeah, a lighter bike is faster if all you ride is 1200 VAM climbing. Even if all you do is climbing, there has to be some descending or headwind sections, right?
@@LarsRR Sure, except in hill climbs which are fairly popular, but I've seen no evidence in dry conditions that disc brake riders are dropping rim brake riders. Do rim brake riders crash more? If you don't count Thomas... And honestly don't think many riders spend much time in their lives descending at the limit in the rain.
The way you described this cannondale systimsix hi mod it makes me very interested but to be honest it’s very
Very
Expensive
True promo video
I'm not a natural buyer for a full on aero bike but i'm lucky to have a Cervelo S3 which almost looks identical to the dale including the colour! Weighs more than my CAAD but is faster everywhere than my 2015 6.3kg Evo and as i don't have any climbs longer than 6 minutes works surprisingly well. I feel that the evo accelerates faster but that could just comedown to perception or the different gearing of compact vs mid
Well, everyone in my family is getting a Polo!!!
Rather than bike makers claiming to have made the fastest, lightest, most aero or whatever I’d instead love a bike maker to invest in creating the most reliable, comfortable or easiest to maintain/customise. We’re already at the extreme end of what our technology is capable of (and UCI will allow) so any gains are always going to be tiny (2W here or 0.02seconds there) so focusing on other real world metrics for the people that actually buy the bikes would possibly offer more design, engineering and marketing opportunities.
Loving it!!
I have a non Hi-Mod version and its a tank. Heavy as hell...
Wish I could've afforded the Hi-Mod version
People whining about weight and Miguel Indurain was crushing it at the TDF on his Banesto team-issued Pinarello weighing 10.2kg 💀... Is on the legs guys...
As they say in my country "No es la flecha, es el Indio" (Is not the arrow, is the Indian) 🤷♂
The Cannondale make great bikes.... Great video. Greetings from Greece...
* Cannondale makes* great bikes ...
Simon, handlebars should be the width of your shoulders and shouldn't have to do with being "more aero" that's only for pro's. So people with wider shoulders should be able to get 44cm, I myself have more narrow shoulders so I choose 38 or 40cm but it has NOTHING to do with aero! I really hatye this notion that people think narrow bars are for aero and not for fit and to bad you guys don't help with this!
Aerobikes in it self is also a very niche in the whole industry and for a good reason because lets be honest if you are not racing you don't need to be "aero" you first need to be comfortable and most aerobikes are just not as comfortable as their climbingbike brothers and because of the stupid aerobars a lot harder to work on!
Also weight does matter especially on steep short climbs (my aera for example) where you have no advantage with aerobikes, trust me my latest bike is more aero than the one before but I'm slower up the climbs (and that's because I gained some weight). For us normies (so people above 20 BMI) we don't go fast enough to have an aero advantage on climbs!
10,000 quid? Ugh. Unfortunately, most of these that will be sold are to people who are 15 kilos overweight and just want to impress their mates. What would be more impressive is if they lost the weight and bought a bike at a quarter of the price...and they'd be three times as fast.
Jealous?
@@Indoor-Cyling-Revolution sorry what? Why do you tali about who buys what bike at what weight, I was refering to beiing jelaous at their bikes :). Keep it up with the fitness
@@_Philip_. Sorry, I was posting someplace else that wasn’t meant for you. No not at all. Put me on a cheap bike and I can smoke 99% of the people out there.
@@_Philip_. there is no more satisfying feeling then doing a seated climb at a monstrous pace, and passing people who are up out of the saddle and struggling. Especially when you’re on the less expensive bike. It’s as if you’re saying to them, “yeah, you’re a poser, no matter how much money you spend… I’m still gonna kick your ass“. I have A time trial bike that’s around that price, but for me, every gram counts.
@@_Philip_. Oh, and I am also dead sexy and pretty! I :-)
At 10k, surely you're looking at low to mid 7kg for an aerobike. A smidge under 8kg is something I would expect in the 3k price range.
From statistics, there is not denying that an aerobike will reign supreme on the flats and mild to moderate climbs. But there is also something about a lightweight bike being thrown around when you stamp on the pedals out of the saddle going up a climb. Similar thing can be said about the ease at which an aerobike holds its speed on the flats...
are these types of high end bikes built to last? are hi-mods high maintenance?
are cf frames not to brittle enough for long term use?
MTB guy here. Is a true aero bike like this one for racing only, or do some of you guys and gals buy them for everyday road riding as your one and only bike?
People buy them for everyday riding. Unless you live in the mountains, aero bikes are really just faster.
If you don't plan to climb a lot, aero bikes are worth looking into. These things love speed.
If you are racing uphill and have nothing on you or the bike then bike weight makes some difference. For the rest of us that that carry two water bottles, tools, 2x inner tube, bike pump, food, extra clothes it makes no difference. If care about 2 to 3lbs savings between bikes there's cheaper ways to save it for what's in your load bag.
Looks like Cannondale didn't make enough money to pay for R&D and the mold of this brick :')
Its all about greed mate. All about ripping people off in the cycling industry. But you can’t blame them, blame the fools who falls for marketing bs that has disposable income. It is what it is.
Then why do Pro's switch bikes for mountain stages? Hmm I was one of the 1st people who received a System Six in the USA back in 2018. It sux at climbing due to its weight
My current steed is considerably weightier than 7.9kg, so it seems like a mighty fine lightweight option to me! I don’t live anywhere near an Alp either! When can you drop one off? A 54cm would be perfect. Thanks!
7.9kg w/ out pedals, bottle cages, computer mout... it realistically weighs 8.5 kgs w/pedals
Totally agree about the weight vs aero argument. As a percentage of (rider+total bike weight) 1kg is naff all. Compare that to the ratio of drag and speed, and boom. My opinion is that it’s about CdA and stiffness and if you need a lighter bike, have a big shit before your ride 😀
I’m looking for aero bikes always liked the system six heard a comment about the weight once but 7.9kg is nothing plenty light enough to be good uphill aswell as on the flats I have a giant tcr advanced pro1 I’m sure that’s similar weight without the aero so this I’m sure would be a fantastic upgrade.
Outstanding performance and beautiful. But ten Grand.. OMG. anything similar possible in future in lower price
That’s the top model - they start at £2500 ish
A friend has last years System Six, deer gawd it is so fast.
I always wonder what people do to have "calm handling" in gusty conditions with 65mm rims. It always seems like i'm driving drunk in those conditions, whatever 50-60mm rims I ride and i'm even a higher weight. I'm just guessing that I call gusty conditions something more extreme
For 10k, I'd really want all cables hidden and the bike lighter. So instead I spent 7k AUD and got a propel that's lighter and has everything hidden. And it's bloody fast too.
If I start to worry about weight, I just remind myself to eat less and not be a fatty. Perfomance for free!
If you lose 1 kg of body weight it’s not the same as the bike losing 1 kg. Try shoes that weigh 500 grams each vs 250 grams and you will see a crazy difference. It’s about the thing that transports you.
The problem with this bike is that it is almost impossible to install tubeless tires like the GP5000tl, I know because I’ve done it
Those tyres are hard to fit on anything - try fitting Pirelli, Vittoria tubeless
5:33 rear derailleur 😫
That moment when you realize that your aluminium climbing bike looking 'thing' weighs more then the 'heavy' aero bike.......
Really? Most aluminum climbing bikes are around 8 KG
... weighs more than* ...
Wow!! 7.9k for a 10g bike got to be out of your mind, bikes keep getting more expensive can we just get a aero bike at 6.8 uci limit , do you think f1 or motogp teams come in over weigh i think not
How fast the bike much or run please?
No shop near me is ever going to carry a $10000 bike for me to just look at😔
Im not sure there is a country near me that will have one 😏
Whatever gets you out there riding!
these brands think we customers are stupid ... instead of going under 6,8 they only modify bikes for pros and for rest they make new bikes extremely heavy with no bike quality compensation ... it will be soon like with car industry ... older cars will have more value than newer
You can wake up in the morning and be 2kg lighter - bike weight in the 6.8kg - 8.5kg range makes little difference. A lot of Pro teams don’t even bother getting their bikes down to 6.8kg
@@dominicbritt yee false statement otherwise they would all ride Shimano Sora on bikes with 150€ wheelsets ... wake up :D
looks beautiful
Fanciest and best performing parts! Show a Rubino :)
For £10,000 you could go really aero and get a UCI-busting velomobile
This bike was really easy to assemble ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
what a terrible paint job for 10k$....
Nah, it looks great.
Love aero bikes. I think you need to have the power to get them upto speed and into their operating window though. I don’t 😮💨
If you wear headphones while you ride you'll never hear your creaky bb (BB90 in my case) or disc brake pad rub. Before you attack me in the comments, a lot of riders wear headphones, it's not just me, lol
But is it more fun to ride than the new supersix
If this is supposed to be a question, then where is your question mark?
just on the basis it's "paid promotion" makes it all a tad pointless.
That's for the clothing sponsor, not the bike
@@erich8258 you don't think Cannondale paid bikeradar for this review?
Hey! BikeRadar's reviews are 100% editorially independent and will never be for sale - no exceptions. In this case, our kit sponsor is Freewheel, which has no affiliation whatsoever with Cannondale. You can learn more about how BikeRadar makes money here: www.bikeradar.com/news/how-does-bikeradar-make-money/
@@bikeradar cheers for clearing that up I assumed and got it wrong.
I've watched too much of GCN I think getting sick of every video referring to buying a whoop or disc brakes lol
Why am i continually reading the body position is 70% the biggest aero gain in how you ride,and the rest is frame,wheels and lycra,,save your money and change your position
Why did they outfit it with the Vittoria Rubino Pro? They are around 5 watts slower PER Tire than something like a Continental GP5000 C.
Basically that alone takes away the entire Speed advantage it has over the Supersix Evo.
Please, there is no such thing as "Watts slower"! While speed factors into power, it is still measured in kilometers/miles per hour, not Watts. But you are right that a less-than 20$ tyre does not belong on an almost 10,000$ bike.
Are the tires 26"?
Weight matters more for RECREATIONAL riders unless you live in a very flat area. Most recreational riders cruise on the flats and save their their energy for hills. Have you ever met a cyclist who goes all out on the flats and then takes it easy on the climbs ?
You'll never know.
That's a beast!
Depends what you’re doing. If your doing a long group ride you won’t notice any aero advantage in a pack. But you’d wish you had a lighter bike when the road ramps up. If your riding solo wanting to go faster you could always just put on aero bar clips or learn how to hold a better position. System six is unrealistically heavy. “Super”six evo is a sweet bike though
Guys, it's easy, below 40 kph, on a bendy track, or climbing, you really do care about weight, and aero is an afterthought, but if you go over 40 kph and ride in a straight line a lot, aero has a bigger impact. For racing / pros who ride at blistering speeds and have a min weight requirement aero will make all the difference, but for the average rider weight will still affect ride quality and speed more, especially since you can go below 6.8 kg for your personal bike.
I approve the 9:30
Sram axs is several watts slower than shimano. And for the weight, come to the alps were I live and you are going to save every gram. Aero+relative low weight up to 7.5 kg ok but not way over 8 kg.
Why not shed 5kg and those grams do not matter. Its the engine not the bike. Im sure sagan riding this bike will drop you and other weight weenies weekend warrior to dust. Grams don’t matter to average punter like you and majority of consumers. Plain and simple.
@@PhiyackYuh what if i cant shed 5 kg? Im 180 cm and weight 63/64 kg. Of course its tue engine and of course sagan would drop me but thats not the topic
Why are "aerobikes" not aerodynamic?
10K quid but comes with Rubino Pros?? That alone shows the credibility of cannondale’s marketing claims to me. You earned my downvote with your scientific opinion of weight doesn’t matter. Where is the data for your informed opinion again?
They are Rubin’s Pro Speed tyres which are specifically designed for TT riding.
@@dominicbritt vittoria’s top of the line is Corsa series, fantastic tires and they cost about double the dollar of Rubinos. Vittoria sponsored team DSM used Corsas on the TT stage on TdF.
aero is definitely more important than weight
Ye ye but tell me who won 2021 tour de france? Tader on his lightweight bike on rim BRAKE :))))
Looks like a Canyon
Yes ,but what if you had a lightweight aero bike 😎
8:53 says shimano on rotor🤷♂️
This weighs nearly as much as my Merida Reacto which I could have bought 25 times with what the system six costs.
The Shimano on the "rotor" is just the cassette lock ring
Those are SRAM rotors
@@DaveCM got to 8:53 in the video, use your own eyes to read “SHIMANO”
@@cyclingchainsawchap9822 dude pay attention. It's a Centerlock rotor. It's a SRAM XR rotor. Centerlock is patented by Shimano, so it uses a lock ring made by Shimano.
@@conman1395 smashing, didn’t notice it was two pieces, it was pointed out 👆