Are you confused when you read the Old Testament?
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Dr. Tim Mackie explains a helpful step for understanding the Old Testament.
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Tim Mackie is a master communicator and teacher.
Good communication, horrible exegesis.
He is a gift to humanity
Wow. This little clip helped me remember about listening with open ears. At my local church, we have a Wednesday night Bible study time where the floor is always open for questions and comments. I get really anxious when we disagree on things, then I have to remember to listen to others’ opinions with grace. Thanks for the reminder. Tonight is Wednesday.
Context is key. Good short here.
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This is a very hard thing to do but very important .
The more I listen to Tim Mackie the more I realize he is sharing life giving truth & theology in a palatable way for Protestants to digest. If he didn’t share with wisdom & humility many Protestants would reject what he is saying.
Why did you say "Protestants"?
Why not "people"?
I think Tim presents things in an exceedingly sensitive and humble way, in deference any who perhaps have been scalded by past experience in church or Bible study.
In this passage, he is talking about getting over oneself, to be able to have fertile soil for planting God's word.
I actually (my fault) grow a little impatient with his forbearance with students who have not yet let go of their wounds. I understand it, and I'm grateful for his sensitivity. But I'm also very glad in this passage that he effectively is telling people to leave their baggage at the door.
I too am confused by your specifying Protestants
So as a protesting Protestant, I see that a couple of folks are confused by your statement. For clarification, the Protestant community has huge issues with the Authority of the RCC, which has permeated the discourse between the respective camps for over 500 years. “We” have thrown out so much of the basis for the practice of our faiths, that we have been dividing the Truth under the premise of finding it. This conflict has been more political than spiritual in many ways, with both sides maintaining arguments against one another’s doctrines and practices. Over the last several years, I’ve tried to recognize that our ancestors have let our “Revolutionary” mindsets from the 1700s be our underpinning guides in the attempt to establish a State “free” from the oppressive system of Royal entitlements and distant obligations in the name of Philosophy, which supplanted the Concept of fealty to Heaven… by rebranding it to the Rule of Natural Law.
We modern Protestants are blinded by such branding, imho, forgetting sometimes that our particular observations have detached from the Root of our Faith, over the course of time, and that the division is self-inflicted by our own egoism and opinions that are frequently no less presumptuous than many of the beliefs that permitted the rift in the first place.
Politics should not be the arbiter of our faith anymore now than it would’ve been 2000 years ago. I sometimes wonder what our Lord would say about us for deviating so much so that we have been willing to kill one another to be heard, but then I just go back to the words of Jesus, and it’s all there. Our duty is to the Father in Heaven, to ourselves and neighbors and then to the lost, the struggling and towards our enemies.
It’s so easy to forget how simple God’s version of Faith actually Is.
“ Do justly, love mercy… walk humbly with your God.”___ Micah 6:8
@@Ricca_Day Thank you for sharing! I am very encouraged by what you have to say. I completely agree. Much love in Christ!
@@Ricca_Daystricly speaking, the term “protestant” doesnt fit anymore. Because since the Council of Trent, the RCC is considered an apostate church with a different Gospel. Nothing to protest, we walk opposite paths.
Humility and grace❤
Yes!
Amen Hallelujah ❤❤❤
We have trained people to use personal, modern "lenses" rather than contextual lenses. It feels like academic dishonesty. I hadn't thought of it as an act of loving my neighbour.
I thought in this clip Tim was trying to tell people to stop making the Bible about them.
People always look at the Bible as if it is about their life. That's like reading someone else's diary and pretending it is all about you and your life.
@@br.mI agree!
I see that stemming from being told something such as “the Bible is God’s love letter to me”.
It is… but only at its deepest, synthesised level. On the surface, the texts are what they are in their own contexts.
@@kymdickman8910so its not really about me? That makes me sad because thats how im reading bible
@@IsraelCountryCube There are definitely words directly aimed at you, that’s for sure.
God’s wonderful gift of His Holy Spirit directs our hearts to hear His voice and to follow His instructions for us individually. We pray before we read, don’t we, and ask Him to speak into our individual situation… and He does.
But, Tim’s teachings here are reminding us that not everything at its micro level, especially in the Old Testament narratives, can be considered that way.
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I like your breakdowns...I am trying to read learn and study and it is hard...full of names geography language history and terminology that in my 33 years have never known or heard
That's OK keep it up ,I'm 81yrs lol we are all at a different stages and that's just fine,we learn from our Christian brothers and sisters🙏
I can relate! Listening to the Bible for the first time at 27 and finding it challenging
Amen! The bible was written for us, but not to us.
I’m not sure what you mean by to, but the Bible absolutely was written to humanity; in the same way a loving father’s instruction is both for and to their child.
@@Obeu Paul's letter to the Romans was not written to us today (it was written to Chrustians in Rome). But is was written for us (as God meant for us to learn from it too).
@@ir0nic303 Ah, I understand what you are saying, now, thank you! I see the logic of it, but perhaps it is a bit confusing to word it that way, (or, at least without further context) :p
@@Obeuthey’re speaking about the audience
If you all haven’t watched any of the Bible project classrooms…YOU NEED TO!! They’re incredible and present a unique perspective on the Bible
Amen!
Beautiful. Thanks. Very well said!
Wow. That really opens my eyes
Everyone has an understanding, because of their
individual education and culture. The bible speaks
simple truths. Read it and you will understand.
I love his voice and listening to him explain The Holy Bible.
Look at it with fresh eyes without any opinion without any prior influence
Yes I love it this! Thank you Tim
Beautifully said, thank you!
Wow, this blew my mind
This is why I am trying to do in some how read the Tanakh/Old Testament. I can't read Hebrew but I am looking for a direct translation from Hebrew to English of the Tanakh.
Young's Literal Translation combined with Blue Letter Bible's interlinear feature has been helpful for me personally. Along with a blog called hebrew word lessons and some general web scrounging to help flesh out subtleties.
May the LORD bless you and keep you
Shalom Alechem!
This kind of thinking is life-changing!
I took this class online, what an amazing course for free!
Such a great perspective!
Wow that opened my eyes thank you
Love this. Thank you for putting this out here.
Dude, love your insight
The denomination I grew up in did not teach me to read the Bible to understand it but to confirm the ideas they wanted to promote. This left me with a very shallow and pretty useless faith.
I was challenged to prove some very basic concepts I held dear such as proving Jeaus was the Messiah. I took up the challenge and really read the Bible for the first time. I learned who the Messiah was and what he taught. I kept seeing things he taught or did that I not only didn't do but... no one I knew did.
I began to walk in the same manner as my Messiah and... I was told I was working for my salvation. It has not always been an easy path but I have grown closer and closer to my God, my Messiah, and the spirit that guides me.
The one thing that has stuck with me all these years is that Jesus said he would tell the lawless he didn't know them. I don't suggest keeping the law for salvation as that won't work. However, if you keep the law because you are saved then that is following the Messiah.
Your voice is much younger than you look
Its beautiful, God Bless you
He’s the epitome of “soft spoken.”
Thissssss !!!!! Listen to the speakers and writers to get their point!
Amazing!!
Wow.
I hear this from other Christians as well and after reading over half of the bible, you really do have to just take the information at face value and not try to apply all of to your life and/or situation. Just listen as you read and hear what the author is trying to say. 🥰
Great insight
Oof, had never thought to see the bible in that way
Not a "what can I get from the bible" reading attitude but a "what did they get, what impact did it have, how did it affect them and their history" reading attitude
Seeing the bible not just as God's words but a miracle in and on itself, and its ramifications, for example the ramifications of the existence of the old testament in people's lives in the new testament.
I never thought it like that. That was great I love how you put God word in it. Keep up the great work in Jesus name Amen
Wow♥️
his voice is so iconic
The idea that he is expressing literally would keep many Christians from unnecessarily putting themselves against culture(s). Simultaneously, it is obedience to the law of empathy- treat others how you would wish to be treated.
How can we view the classes without using an app?
That's a great case for accepting the Deuterocanon and maybe even the Book of Enoch.
How does that relate to this clip?
That’s good
Tim, that is a difficult task for some people.
This is true. It is a good thing that we are yoked to Jesus and never have to do anything all on our own, and also that God is mindful of our forms, that we are but dust. Jesus is your ever patient ever gentle teacher, who is there to encourage and help you when you make mistakes.
May the LORD bless you and keep you.
It comes down to “adopting their mindset” & essentially “speaking their language”. Otherwise you end up talking past each other
Hi BibleProject, what classroom video is this part?
I have tried with the Old Testament but I can't make any sense of all the genealogy. Name after name. This guy had 3 sons of this age. This guy has 5 sons of this age. These guys went here and had 2 sons aged this and this. Then his son aged this went here and had these sons.
What am I supposed to get from all of this? It's really hard to follow
I’ve never heard any good answer. Personally I think they were added later by those who wanted to connect their tribe to the stories they had about Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, etc
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It's more about God's encyclopedia and agenda, and not mine or theirs. We are encouraged to interpret the scriptures and ask for wisdom to do so as well. 1st Timothy 3, and James chapter 1
Too, the OT all points to Christ as the fulfillment of the Law and God’s promise to mankind to send a redeemer to save them. For gentiles, it’s the apex of the great mystery that Paul writes about in his epistles.
Love these guys, straight up tho Tim has an NPR voice
The Torah is for every believer in יהוה
Wow
God loves you and proved it on His cross. Jesus Christ is coming back soon, I hope you make the rapture and don't be left behind. Put your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and believe the gospel. God bless! See Romans 10:9-10 KJV Bible.
Absolutely! Context is super important when it comes to the bible and the understanding that words have been changed and passages modified to make it easier to read to a modern audience. However, that's not how it should be perceived words change as the people do.
I’m always confused
Ask to be filled with
The 🕊️Holy Spirit🔥
I am
Are you?
Yeah, I need to put my agenda aside.
We all do, good job 👍
What about using God’s plumb line as a method of evaluating both my and other’s agenda.
This whole time I thought this guy was a young guy😂 (only heard his voice)
Honest question: how does this help Christians to understand why the OT reports God as saying/doing problematic things?
Because it sets the narrative within its historical context.
@@kymdickman8910 Thanks, I understand that. I suppose that I'm asking is this: what is it about the historical context that justifies the apparently problematic things that God says and does?
For example, in 2 Samuel 24, God kills 70,000 people because David counted the people of Israel and Judah. What is it about the historical context that makes this okay? And if God were to do this at another time in another historical context - say, now - what about *that* historical context would make it *not* okay?
Cheers!
@@IndyB23 Yes… it is important to understand these things.
In God’s covenant agreement with Israel, He had told them specifically never to take a census of the population of His nation without paying an atonement tax for the lives counted. [Exodus 30:11-16] This links back to God’s promise to Abraham: Genesis 13:16
I will make your offspring as the dust of the earth, so that if one can count the dust of the earth, your offspring also can be counted.
The inference is: you don’t need to try and count them… there is no benefit in counting them.
@@kymdickman8910 Thanks, I'm aware of that - it's just that killing 70,000 people as a punishment for that "crime" could be seen as rather extreme and unjust. What is the historical context that justifies what God does here, and how does it justify it?
@@IndyB23
70000 lost their right to life on Earth. The evil one was winning his battle for supremacy over the Earth. But that’s not their biggest problem… please read this carefully to the end.
2 Samuel 24 is at the point in human history where the whole world, except Israel, is under the domination of the evil one. The evil one had tricked Eve - and Adam had joined her - into subjecting themselves and all their offspring to the power of death. The evil one wanted them all gone from the earth.
But God instituted substitutionary atonement and preserved humanity. But, they were still dominated by the evil one.
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Israel was uniquely in covenant with The Most High God. Their strict adherence to His detailed covenant conditions was what prevented the evil one dominating them completely and wielding the weapon of death against them. The moment they turned against God - ignoring / rebelling against / turning away from His ways - they left themselves vulnerable to the curse of sin and death.
God’s atonement - ie, covering - was achieved through blood:- an innocent animal giving up its life in their place.
This was only a temporary atonement. It was a thousand years later in history that Jesus brought permanent/eternal atonement through His death… and redemption from the power of death and deliverance from the evil one’s domination.
Please don’t forget that someone who leaves Earth doesn’t leave their life behind. We say they die. God doesn’t. He calls that ‘sleep’.
He calls death the ‘second death’ - resulting from His final judgement of all of Adam and Eve’s offspring. Only through the spilled innocent blood of Jesus’ sinless life are we covered eternally, redeemed from the curse of sin and death forever and delivered from the evil one’s domination.
I hope this long winded answer gives you some insight into the historical context of that OT narrative.
which talk is this from?
Context?! What is he talking about?
Dang... that's baller
Leviticus
No. The NT is more confusing.
Wow about reading it like it’s the words of Yahweh and be obedient 🤷🏼♂️
I see the Old Testament as a spirituality and the New Testament as religion. Religion is worshiping somoene as God and spirituality is just living your best life with God
I would also suggest reading the (unedited) Talmud directly after reading the Torah.
Since the Talmud is the definitive Hebrew interpretation of the Torah.... well, you'll see how they feel about Gentiles, Christians, and Christ.
Lmfao, the definitive interpretation? So you don't know what the Talmud is at all, got it, I'll help you out: the Talmud is a collection of essays that all disagree with each other and they include a variety of interpretations in a debate format, there are ZERO conclusions drawn in the Talmud, you should def read it sometime so you stop embarrassing yourself
Actually, I’d argue that the Talmudic writings are like Supreme Court Decisions. They provide arguments for and against the subject at hand, and there are Always differing opinions. Nothing definitive. Just attorneys doing what they do, because after the Babylonian Captivity, there weren’t any intact traditions, because everything was Temple/Jerusalem centric from around 1000-400 years before the birth of Yeshua, and after the Exile, the priesthood had become more of a legislative body attempting to reconcile their faith in the absence of their Focal Point and ritual practices.
What emerges beyond the Captivity is a reflection of this process, so much so that the purpose for Israel regarding the Law, was rather like an open courtroom that was always in debate and closing arguments, rather than an definitive Verdict.
The Talmud presents us with an opportunity to examine the different perspectives on the Law of Moses, but those are important for understanding the Human process, far more than the Divine… imho.
Jesus literally preached against the interpretation of the people who wrote that garbage. Get a grip.
Woah! That's what you look like.
Tim Mackie gets confused about the reality of hell.
What do you mean by this?
@@jesusbliss look up tim mackie and hell
Well he certainly doesn’t get confused about the Love of God. His approach is more about cultivating the Relationship between us and the Scriptures so that we can grow closer to the Lord and live our lives in harmony with the Gospel.
Don’t get me wrong. Not going to hell is definitely important, but it’s not the singular Point of Salvation.. although it can be certainly be argued. I was raised Baptist, and 50 years ago, we “got saved” every Sunday, because that was the emphasis. No complaints about that, but to grow in Christ, the process is more than just recognizing our position as sinners apart from our repentance.
This gentleman seeks to help us grow. That’s enough for one soul to undertake. There’s nothing wrong with a little more Grace from one source, because there’s always someone to preach the Hellfire.
@Ricca_Day its all part of the Gospel. Thats how i see it, so he glosses over one crucial point of the gospel. Thats a red flag, but we do need more grace and love emphasis I agree.
@@andar_k1194agreed, salvation is day one, service is day two. However their limp wristed stance on hell is an error; Christ preached it and so should we.
No. I just need to know how to say it to other people.
Exodus 21:20-21
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result,
21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."
- Act of loving your ancient neighbor :)
Lol! Talk about being out of context!
You are literally judging Against G0D by using a colloquial tradition and laws of conduct that were the practice of generations of humans across the world. This is a fallacious argument, brother. The only purpose for this is to set yourself Above G0D through your own perception of what is right and wrong within a world you know nothing about. I don’t argue that human life is valuable regardless of the status of an individual, but Property Law isn’t about human life at all, and neither does it confer any type of moral certitude. It is just the penalty for actions beyond the scope of acceptable behavior.
So, if I’m incorrect about my conclusions about your motives… apologies, but you’re attempting to Discredit my Creator, Christ and Redeemer using irrelevant material that was a Social Norm or even higher standard than the world at large for the vast majority of human history. That’s covert egoism, not a viable argument against the Lord or anyone else.
Tsk, tsk, huh?
Sounds like gibberish to me. Kinda like my dad that could talk for an hour and never really say anything.
its simply called the law and the prophets. calling it the old testament is disrespectful.
Not in the least.
feels like this channel has fallen, its a sad day
Not at all, they r growing and for the best, they have finally distrusted the European/western philosophy/culture and finally picked up the Biblical authors who r MIDDLE EASTERN and figured out how their culture was and what the actual Biblical authors are saying, so yes the Bible project is doing great
he looks so old, i hardly don't recognize him, they have the same voice though, maybe its him. Where is the sermon the kings in 5? Why did you delete it, i was about to slap it on someone's face. Saadd ... 😢
Some wonder why tim likes N T wright so much seeing that he denies the creation narrative BY GOD and denies a literal Adam and eve
Why not read a better book?
I do get confused when I read the bible.
I can't believe any functional human being
could be conned into believing any of it.
What a pathetic species we are.
I find the old testament easier to read. I find the Greek language abhorrent. It took decades before I realized why I absolutely hated reading anything of Greek origin, Biblical or secular.
Man, this sure is a video where a guy speaks a lot of words but says nothing.
Men should be capable of critical thinking. Otherwise we are just shallow.
@@briceyboy88 I spent plenty of time contemplating in my life. The result was realizing how much time I wasted in church. Spirituality is a langue, in that you are supposed to be in a community to communicate spirituality. That community was a cesspool, full of judgemental, hate filled individuals whose moral bankruptcy and lack of faith contrasted horribly with their projected piousness and stone-casting attitudes. I am a better person, and find myself among better people since I stopped calling myself a christian.
@@eatit8262what group do you associate with now that you consider to be better?
@ajwilkerson 8262
Ok ,,,,, listening to you....
@ajwilkerson8262 is it possible you were in the wrong church?
I've definitely been to a few subpar churches, with congregations filled with morally subpar people.
Orthodoxy speaks more truth to me than anything has, both in the Mass and in the actions of Parishioners.
lol he is talking absolute nonsense, for the sake of it. Yet somehow, people are nodding along...
This guy is pro homosexual. And doesnt preach against it
Where did he say he was pro homosexual
Amen!
Amen!