Thanks 404! I agree with you, with the products that are out on the market right now, it's difficult to pick a wrong choice unless you're dishing out an ungodly amount for something like TopCoat F11. In the consumer world: Meguiar's, Turtle Wax, Griot's, Mothers CMX, I think these are all very capable especially if you're running regular maintenance.
@@WaxMode How do you feel about chemical guys? I'm a fan of the blazin banana, only downside is it doesn't last long. I have a bottle of the Ice seal n shine that I'm going to try out tonight!
@@ReaperKezia I've enjoyed using Chemical Guys' glaze and paste wax combos for years. I'm a fan of Black Light, EZ Creme, and Glossworkz Glaze, and you combine one of those with Pete's 53 and you have a solid combo fun for spring and summer periods. Their discontinued Classic Paste Wax is one of my favorite waxes. I think V7 and their detailing sprays like Synthetic Quick Detailer, Speed Wipe are solid. Good soaps too, Mr. Pink and Honeydew both smell fantastic. Chemical Guys is not going to win any durability battles though. Decent if you're always up on maintenance, but not built to withstand any area with some serious winter weather.
Thanks so much Neil! Yeah I actually was in the process of uploading the video from iMovie to RUclips when it started raining out, so that gave me that great opportunity to show what I've been seeing.
Awesome video brotha! Both 4 months not bad at all. Still there for sure.. especially in the rain here showing great signs they are still protecting 👍👍👍 another awesome update. Looking forward to the next!
Thanks Smurf! I've got to jump on the update for the Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax and Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating, both of them look like they're still holding up inbetween 8-9 months!
You bring up an insanely good point about the rain. Also I had been a bit of a snob about not using Turtle Wax products but man I have been blown away by some of the videos. I bought the Ice Wax on a lark after seeing some videos and it's been fantastic (only been 3 weeks or so but so far so good) but I wanna try the seal n shine now. Impressive bang for the buck.
This is an excellent example of just how many variables there are when comparing paint protection products. Old, oxidized and sun soaked paint simply will not accept or retain most paint protection products even AFTER paint correction.
I'm inclined to agree, but in all honesty I've brought some pretty oxidized, sun soaked paint, back from the dead. I'm talking little to no clear coat left. But I guess at some point, it would be less and less effective.
@@jamest7485 You can certainly restore the looks, but in my experience it sometimes will behave differently when it comes to wax and sealants. It’s especially true for newer products in my experience, where as old school waxes tend to do a little better.
Good to see you in here again Markus! Absolutely, putting these products on a much newer and healthier paint could have a drastic difference in lasting performance, which is one of the reasons why even the popular pure durability tests might only be relevant to the individual performing the test. The compounding and polishing can correct the oxidation and look like you're getting near perfect correction, but when done on top of paint that has already shifted into the process of full failure, the protectants will not respond as well in these areas and will fail prematurely. The other Honda test car with CarPro Lite is a better example of this for the viewers, I'll have to do an update video for this section.
As always, nice job on this video. Your analysis and explanations are great. Love the comparison to a non-protected area. It might be helpful to split each section by doing a topper so we can see how each product holds up compared not only to the other but to itself with a little maintenance. Also, maybe I have to listen again but--maybe intentionally?-- you do not conclude on product over the other for your preference. Thanks again for doing these videos.
Thanks for another great update WaxMode! I have a new favorite combo. I have put Griot’s 3 in 1 Ceramic wax on topped off with a coat of the new formula of Seal N Shine. Really like how it looks and feels. 2 durable products together! I tried it with Seal N Shine on bottom and didn’t like it as much. Either way, I keep refreshing my car with something. I like to keep a fresh coat of something on. No matter what the bottom coat product is. Nice to know these products last long even though they may not have fresh beading. Do you have a favorite combo yet?
Glad you enjoyed it Robert, appreciate your feedback as well! Good to hear that the Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax works well underneath of the new Seal N Shine for you! I think the star of the consumer lineup is the Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax, it has undoubtedly performed the best in my durability tests so far. I'm still not sure if I can narrow down my favorite combo's. In the consumer world I think our options right now are really good across the board with Meguiar's, Turtle Wax, Griot's, even Mothers CMX can satisfy me with regular maintenance usage. I would be interested in seeing just how well these could hold up in the colder northern winters, I haven't seen much feedback on that. I still want to see someone bring a true Polish Angel High Gloss/Cosmic Spritz/Rapidwaxx equivalent to the market at a much less expensive pricepoint. Those three still top my list of favorite toppers to work with and all three of them are pretty similar to one another.
How is the Seal N Shine compared to the Griot’s Garage 3 in 1? I got both products recently. But the durability show very differently on two different car.
Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax has performed the best in my durability tests at 2 coats. I should have done two coats of this latest Seal N Shine but I didn't get to washing it until much further down the line than I wanted, so I only stuck with 1 coat. Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax has been able to maintain the best hydrophobic performance for the longest period so far, and I'm currently in between 8-9 months with it on this test car without maintenance toppers.
Say you fully prep and coat sns. You wash every 2 weeks consistently and every wash you top with ice spray wax... How would you ever know the ice spray wax is no longer cutting it and you should spray SnS and then go back to ice spray wax as a topper? Would it be better or worse to apply sns, top it with ice spray wax, and re apply sns every 6 months even if it's not necessary, just to be safe? My bottom line question I guess is if you fully prep a car and coat it with seal n shine, what do you do with the rest of the bottle if all you need is a topper and not clogging with another sns application in the short term. Hope this makes sense.
You should be able to tell if the spray wax or SnS isn’t performing the same as it initially was (hydrophobics, dirt repellency, slickness, etc...). If it’s performing well I’d just keep the same routine. The simplest way to do another coat of SnS is to use a panel prep product to strip off the wax. It would probably take off the old SnS if it’s been 6 months. I would just make sure not to put SnS over the wax or anything other than itself or clean paint.
Great question LeoC, and it's a long answer so bear with me. The short answer is I wouldn't have any problem swapping back and forth between Seal N Shine and Ice Spray Wax. Get Seal N Shine down as your base protectant, you can use Ice Spray Wax as your main topper after your washes, and I would prefer to reapply an application of Seal N Shine after about 2-3 months or so. You could technically use Seal N Shine after every wash but it's just a little heavy for that and I wouldn't prefer to do that as it can clearly hold up for months on its own. The long answer, is outside of the testing realm my overall paint maintenance schedule is not usually governed by the performance of the base layer protection, it's governed by how often I feel the need to decontaminate the paint and polish it. Even with regular uses of Seal N Shine and Ice Spray Wax, bonded contamination will eventually find itself into the paint over time that requires claying to remedy. Whether it's brake dust, industrial fallout, or in my case hundreds of stubborn tree sap spots, it's going to find its way into the paint that doesn't come out during regular washes and begins to breakdown protection and stick into the clearcoat until it's clayed out. The protection should still slow the extent of the contamination really building up compared to unprotected paint, but it still gets through to some degree. On top of that, I'm not as careful enough to 100% prevent lighter wash-induced marring from popping up during the wash process, so if the paint doesn't really require decontamination, I'll usually still want to perform a lighter/mild polish to remove that marring over time. I start checking for this contamination or marring around 6 months since the last decon and polish and take the proper steps from there. I could decide at 6 months to not require the need to do any decon or polishing, in which case I could just continue maintaining with either Seal N Shine or Ice Spray Wax. I think switching back and forth between both of these is a good idea and should be beneficial for the best performance. 2-3 months could go by, I'm thinking about reapplying the stronger spray protectant, and not really worrying about the base hindering the performance of the topper. Once the base protectant is on the paint, I can be a mad scientist as far as maintenance goes over the month so long as the protectants are compatible and non-abrasive to one another. The guys up north in the cold areas usually have a more strict schedule. You decon/polish/protect before the cold season, and think about decon/polish/protecting after the cold season. Run maintenance as best you can in between. Otherwise I think it would be difficult to pinpoint through water behavior alone with regular maintenance applications of Ice Spray Wax to know for sure just how well Seal N Shine is doing underneath of it, because Ice Spray Wax is quite durable and hydrophobic by itself.
Hank is correct, here in the Florida the upper areas on the paint feel the bulk of the intense constant heat and UV bombardment, this will accelerate paint weathering and clearcoat failure in these areas. So all of the horizontal panels (roof, trunk, hood), will fail first, then the top sections of the vertical panels, and the failure will work its way down from there. During this specific test before compounding and polishing, these upper vertical areas were the most oxidized and already undergoing full paint failure. They cleaned up really well during the compounding stage but once the failure has begun to really start, there is no stopping it, so usually the protectants will suffer from being applied on those sections that are marginally weaker compared to the more healthy paint below them. Also, the protectants feel the bulk of the heat and UV bombardment at the same time compared to the middle/lower sections. So it's a compounded problem by applying protectants to weaker/less healthy paint, and on an area that faces tougher weathering at the same time in this environment.
Good video, from here on out I’m gonna start spraying Moonlight , CarPro lite as my base because most of these sprays aren’t lasting past 60 days. After topping with PolySeal or any of the sprays you’ve reviewed I’ll probably get much better durability than using these sprays. But good video either way love your vids.
Consider the price though. For the price, TW Seal n Shine is worth it, even if it only lasts 60 days. Anything by Car Pro is atleast twice the cost, but are you really getting double protection?
@@jamest7485 I haven’t seen a six month review of any of the Turtle wax sprays including Seal & Shine and I actually used that a lot last year but needs two coats of the original to achieve 8 weeks. But yeah I get it , really inexpensive for the performance but moonlight will probably last longer, same with CarPro lite maybe moonlight wouldn’t and would need a topper at 4 months but it looks better longer. Definitely not as chemical resistant but not by much and the price is a lot better( Turtle Wax) but on a single application or even maybe two you’ll see CarPro lite and moonlight stay on the panel a really long time looking good. The Fillers still standing tall and the shine and gloss hasn’t diminished much after 90 days. I’m not sure we can say that about the Turtle Wax offerings. In fact on some of the cars I used the seal and shine beaded ok after 35-40 days but the shine wasn’t there. Unlike Moonlight and the CarPro lite which I had on the hood and still beaded and still mad shiny after 90 days & on the roof of the car. That’s just me tho. Maybe other folks had different results but I’ll try and hunt down a 60 day review of seal and shine as well.
@@AmirAbdullah I still think Moonlight and definitely CanCoat and CarPro Lite are a leap above the performance of what you can get with products like Seal N Shine in the wild. I haven't tested Moonlight yet, but CanCoat and CQ Lite just deliver on maintaining their stronger hydrophobic nature over time and don't diminish at the same rates. I still feel I have to respect CanCoat much more with its application, it's not a quick spray protectant to work with, it needs to be properly wiped down thoroughly as you would a coating. Whereas Seal N Shine you can overapply it and get streaking but no high spots as you would with CanCoat and CQ Lite and likely Moonlight. I feel this Seal N Shine has been able to maintain good gloss on this rear quarter panel section over the months, the paint still looks great to me.
@@WaxMode I feel you. Me tho if I’m gonna go through the whole process of road grime and traffic film remover , iron remover , clay...the whole 9 I want more durability out of my work. I want it to look better longer, I personally dig the CanCoats , the CarPro CQlite and the Moonlights. I enjoy those as much as I do the acrylics from Xtreme Solutions. Again another way to get more out of my work the acrylics from Xtreme, And I know it’s not apples to apple but it seems so much more rewarding after 90 days and my bucket Kia is still looking really good with a coat of PolySeal on either the Acrylics or the lite coatings. That’s just me tho. I’m getting older I don’t wanna be reapplying a product every 45 days or so. I’d like to see these sealants go 60 days but a good looking 60 days maybe even 75 days looking outstanding on one application. I get that from the lite coatings. Yeah I know it’s different products but that’s just me. Excellent video as well tho.
@@WaxMode I feel You and your assertion is 100% correct. CanCiat is a dam good product. I just feel like I’m moving away from sprays like turtle wax as my base. I feel like the above mentioned products are a better deal for durability of the top coat. I did see where you had mentioned that the top coats perform so much better with other base layers. In those examples you used some ceramics and the top coat of your choice and then you were seeing those 90 day durability claims but looking better along the way. That to me is a twice a year application of the base layer and then the top coats. In my case now I have the CQ lite and the RX Coating performing outstanding on a black test panel. Application after the prep wasn’t to bad but if I’m gonna get a year of really freshly looking applied material after rains and whatnot that’s so much more for me. I know a lot of folks enjoy washing the car and using the sprays it’s very therapeutic for a lot of folks. Even myself but this here for me is the way. Also interesting to note is I don’t lose clients to longer lasting coatings. Just a side note. Yeah you’re 100% right different products 100% of the way.
Hey buddy, what are your thoughts on using Turtle Wax Seal and Shine on rims? I was thinking about using this on my 370Z's rims as a spray sealant. I reached out to Turtle Wax to see if that was even worth it or would Seal and Shine just flash off quickly under high heat scenario such as rims heated up by hot brakes? What do you think? A viable option as a rim sealant? What about reapplication of this product? Could I just reapply over itself every time I washed the rims? I wasn't sure what you thought of reapplication of Seal and Shine over itself after every wash as a topper? I know you mention using Turtle Wax Ice Spray Wax as they topper for this, but what about just using this stuff again, over the top of itself?
Hey Joe! I'm still hooked on the spray and rinse style protectants for the wheels. This is where 303's Touchless Sealant really "shines", because unlike Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Wax that can be hit or miss when used as a straight spray and rinse protectant in some instances, the 303 has no trouble reacting positively and providing that awesome hydrophobic protection immediately on the first spray and rinse. So 303 Touchless Sealant, Gyeon Wet Coat, or CarPro Hydro2 are still my go to products for wheel maintenance. I actually haven't tested Seal N Shine out on the wheels, I remember someone saying they got good results when using it as a spray and rinse so I'll have to check this out. I think it should be able to hold up to the heat, and likely better if you're always running a wheel specific cleaner to be able to hold up better to that by being more chemically resistant. For maintenance, I could see myself swapping back and forth between both Seal N Shine and Ice Spray Wax, and then back to Seal N Shine every once in a while. If you've found that Seal N Shine works really well for you on your paint without streaking, I wouldn't see any problem using it very regularly as its own maintenance topper and skipping Ice Spray Wax. Ice Spray Wax I find it can still be a bit heavy, but generally easier to work with compared to Seal N Shine and I can be less worried about chasing down the paint with a damp microfiber towel after I use it. Ice Spray Wax is also nicely durable by itself, so I find it fun to work with and a perfect compliment to the heavier Seal N Shine.
@@WaxMode Thanks for the extensive reply. I have actually been using the spray and seal type sealants myself on my wheels for the past couple months. I start out with Polish Angel Supersports as the base or initial coat and then after every wash, i've been topping them off with the spray and seal product. I'm using McKee's version of it right now. Not sure which one i'm going to try next. The McKee's was OK, but nothing to write home about. I need to get a better one. The only reason I mention Turtle Wax Seal and Shine is the extreme durability that seems to be the trademark of the product. And the superb value. I thought it might be a great product to put on like Supersports as the initial coat and then keep it going with the Si02 wet spray products after every maintenance wash.
I appreciate it Hank! I actually haven't seen too much feedback on the durability for TLC2, I'm going to have to do some digging to see how it has been holding up for others. I still think in general that TLC2 is better to work with compared to the heavier Seal N Shine, but the pricepoint of SNS and performance would have me choosing it all day compared to the $35 or so for TLC2.
I think Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Wax is more fun for me to work with. Tighter initial beading, smells better to me, and fun to work it in real quick after washing and then blast rinse it off with the pressure washer. Also comparable in durability, at least compared to the first generation of Seal N Shine. Either one is a good choice, if you pick up Hybrid Ceramic Wax, definitely snag Hybrid Ceramic Detailer at the same time, really good combo. If you pick up Seal N Shine, snag up Ice Spray Wax at the same time and run those for maintenance over the months.
@@TechnoGaming9683 Actually I think a lot of these products are currently out of stock in India right now, possibly due to Covid delays. I know Turtle Wax just recently entered the marketplace in India and Meguiar's looks like they've been selling products but most of what I'm seeing at first glance is out of stock.
@@WaxMode m ordering meguiars ceramic wax and meguiars nxt gen car wash and one amways silicon glaze polish ... is this combo right for my white verna fludic?
@@WaxMode thanks alot Sir ... your big fan from today as u reply my comment... sir my last query i hav 7 years old white verna fludic ... i dnt hav any roof to park car ... so my car every year park outside the house in all seasons rain, winter, and summer... plz guide me suitable car wash, polish,wax or ceramic sprays or any other product which u can recmend with whom i can protect my car paint
Maybe initially, but as that unprotected panel fills up with H2O, you notice it will remain flat and pool/sheet water off instead. I mostly notice it when comparing my car (which is protected) to my neighbors vehicles, which are older cars that haven't been maintained in quite some time. The rain just results in sheeting on the panel for those older vehicles. Meanwhile, my vehicle will bead the water up like crazy.
So infinite TW seal and shine and after 6 months I want to reapply do I just simply reapply or is there certain prep cleaning I have to do ?(plan to maintain it every month with TW spray wax)
I would say yes, Seal N Shine is something I would want to reapply within 4-6 months if you are maintaining with the spray wax, or 2-4 months if you’re just using Seal N Shine by itself. You can apply right on top. For me, since I have a paint polisher my prep changes. I look at the paint after maintaining the base protectant for six months and check for embedded contamination, and if the paint has light swirling or marring that I want to clean up after claying. If so I will polish it out, reapply the main protectant like Seal N Shine, and then recheck for embedded contamination and swirling at 6 months again.
Yeah it's definitely a shame because other than the exterior of this car, it's a fantastic driver. There's a massive amount of rust that has popped up during the rainy seasons, originally this car was from up north which just accumulated too much rust from the salt dumped on the roads during the winters. Previous owner brought it down south to Tampa when he moved here and was selling it for practically nothing and I couldn't pass it up.
Backyard relatability and professional execution, well done👍👍 These companies should be reaching out to you MUCH more❗
Thanks so much Klasse Act, as always I really appreciate your awesome remarks!
Excellent review on these 2 titans wax mode. Can't go wrong with either one. Definite loving the Turtle Wax updated version.
Thanks 404! I agree with you, with the products that are out on the market right now, it's difficult to pick a wrong choice unless you're dishing out an ungodly amount for something like TopCoat F11. In the consumer world: Meguiar's, Turtle Wax, Griot's, Mothers CMX, I think these are all very capable especially if you're running regular maintenance.
@@WaxMode How do you feel about chemical guys? I'm a fan of the blazin banana, only downside is it doesn't last long. I have a bottle of the Ice seal n shine that I'm going to try out tonight!
@@ReaperKezia I've enjoyed using Chemical Guys' glaze and paste wax combos for years. I'm a fan of Black Light, EZ Creme, and Glossworkz Glaze, and you combine one of those with Pete's 53 and you have a solid combo fun for spring and summer periods. Their discontinued Classic Paste Wax is one of my favorite waxes. I think V7 and their detailing sprays like Synthetic Quick Detailer, Speed Wipe are solid. Good soaps too, Mr. Pink and Honeydew both smell fantastic.
Chemical Guys is not going to win any durability battles though. Decent if you're always up on maintenance, but not built to withstand any area with some serious winter weather.
Really good informative video. Both products were still protecting after four months. The real rain versus the hose was very telling.
Thanks so much Neil! Yeah I actually was in the process of uploading the video from iMovie to RUclips when it started raining out, so that gave me that great opportunity to show what I've been seeing.
Awesome video brotha! Both 4 months not bad at all. Still there for sure.. especially in the rain here showing great signs they are still protecting 👍👍👍 another awesome update. Looking forward to the next!
Thanks Smurf! I've got to jump on the update for the Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax and Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating, both of them look like they're still holding up inbetween 8-9 months!
@@WaxMode 😳 that's fantastic!!! Loooing forward to the update for sure!!!
You bring up an insanely good point about the rain. Also I had been a bit of a snob about not using Turtle Wax products but man I have been blown away by some of the videos. I bought the Ice Wax on a lark after seeing some videos and it's been fantastic (only been 3 weeks or so but so far so good) but I wanna try the seal n shine now. Impressive bang for the buck.
This is an excellent example of just how many variables there are when comparing paint protection products. Old, oxidized and sun soaked paint simply will not accept or retain most paint protection products even AFTER paint correction.
I'm inclined to agree, but in all honesty I've brought some pretty oxidized, sun soaked paint, back from the dead. I'm talking little to no clear coat left.
But I guess at some point, it would be less and less effective.
@@jamest7485 You can certainly restore the looks, but in my experience it sometimes will behave differently when it comes to wax and sealants. It’s especially true for newer products in my experience, where as old school waxes tend to do a little better.
Good to see you in here again Markus! Absolutely, putting these products on a much newer and healthier paint could have a drastic difference in lasting performance, which is one of the reasons why even the popular pure durability tests might only be relevant to the individual performing the test. The compounding and polishing can correct the oxidation and look like you're getting near perfect correction, but when done on top of paint that has already shifted into the process of full failure, the protectants will not respond as well in these areas and will fail prematurely. The other Honda test car with CarPro Lite is a better example of this for the viewers, I'll have to do an update video for this section.
@@WaxMode I always enjoy your content - it’s trustworthy stuff which is hard to come by. 👍
hello, question. Does the Turtle Sealant have an expiration date?
No expiration date listed on my bottle. I’ve used mine recently from a bottle a few years old and it’s still working fine.
As always, nice job on this video. Your analysis and explanations are great. Love the comparison to a non-protected area. It might be helpful to split each section by doing a topper so we can see how each product holds up compared not only to the other but to itself with a little maintenance. Also, maybe I have to listen again but--maybe intentionally?-- you do not conclude on product over the other for your preference. Thanks again for doing these videos.
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Thanks Dana!
Thanks for another great update WaxMode! I have a new favorite combo. I have put Griot’s 3 in 1 Ceramic wax on topped off with a coat of the new formula of Seal N Shine. Really like how it looks and feels. 2 durable products together! I tried it with Seal N Shine on bottom and didn’t like it as much. Either way, I keep refreshing my car with something. I like to keep a fresh coat of something on. No matter what the bottom coat product is. Nice to know these products last long even though they may not have fresh beading. Do you have a favorite combo yet?
Glad you enjoyed it Robert, appreciate your feedback as well! Good to hear that the Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax works well underneath of the new Seal N Shine for you! I think the star of the consumer lineup is the Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax, it has undoubtedly performed the best in my durability tests so far.
I'm still not sure if I can narrow down my favorite combo's. In the consumer world I think our options right now are really good across the board with Meguiar's, Turtle Wax, Griot's, even Mothers CMX can satisfy me with regular maintenance usage. I would be interested in seeing just how well these could hold up in the colder northern winters, I haven't seen much feedback on that.
I still want to see someone bring a true Polish Angel High Gloss/Cosmic Spritz/Rapidwaxx equivalent to the market at a much less expensive pricepoint. Those three still top my list of favorite toppers to work with and all three of them are pretty similar to one another.
Another great video, thank you 🏆 Hey, what that other cool BMW in the background?
How is the Seal N Shine compared to the Griot’s Garage 3 in 1? I got both products recently. But the durability show very differently on two different car.
Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax has performed the best in my durability tests at 2 coats. I should have done two coats of this latest Seal N Shine but I didn't get to washing it until much further down the line than I wanted, so I only stuck with 1 coat. Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax has been able to maintain the best hydrophobic performance for the longest period so far, and I'm currently in between 8-9 months with it on this test car without maintenance toppers.
So of all the waxes/sealants, Griot's Garage has the best products? If you were to recommend any product, what would it be?
Say you fully prep and coat sns. You wash every 2 weeks consistently and every wash you top with ice spray wax... How would you ever know the ice spray wax is no longer cutting it and you should spray SnS and then go back to ice spray wax as a topper?
Would it be better or worse to apply sns, top it with ice spray wax, and re apply sns every 6 months even if it's not necessary, just to be safe?
My bottom line question I guess is if you fully prep a car and coat it with seal n shine, what do you do with the rest of the bottle if all you need is a topper and not clogging with another sns application in the short term.
Hope this makes sense.
You should be able to tell if the spray wax or SnS isn’t performing the same as it initially was (hydrophobics, dirt repellency, slickness, etc...). If it’s performing well I’d just keep the same routine.
The simplest way to do another coat of SnS is to use a panel prep product to strip off the wax. It would probably take off the old SnS if it’s been 6 months. I would just make sure not to put SnS over the wax or anything other than itself or clean paint.
Full prep is unnatural by average joe.
@@kimdavis5631 just washing a car regularly is unnatural for the average joe 😅
@@muckeyn lol
Great question LeoC, and it's a long answer so bear with me. The short answer is I wouldn't have any problem swapping back and forth between Seal N Shine and Ice Spray Wax. Get Seal N Shine down as your base protectant, you can use Ice Spray Wax as your main topper after your washes, and I would prefer to reapply an application of Seal N Shine after about 2-3 months or so. You could technically use Seal N Shine after every wash but it's just a little heavy for that and I wouldn't prefer to do that as it can clearly hold up for months on its own.
The long answer, is outside of the testing realm my overall paint maintenance schedule is not usually governed by the performance of the base layer protection, it's governed by how often I feel the need to decontaminate the paint and polish it.
Even with regular uses of Seal N Shine and Ice Spray Wax, bonded contamination will eventually find itself into the paint over time that requires claying to remedy. Whether it's brake dust, industrial fallout, or in my case hundreds of stubborn tree sap spots, it's going to find its way into the paint that doesn't come out during regular washes and begins to breakdown protection and stick into the clearcoat until it's clayed out. The protection should still slow the extent of the contamination really building up compared to unprotected paint, but it still gets through to some degree.
On top of that, I'm not as careful enough to 100% prevent lighter wash-induced marring from popping up during the wash process, so if the paint doesn't really require decontamination, I'll usually still want to perform a lighter/mild polish to remove that marring over time. I start checking for this contamination or marring around 6 months since the last decon and polish and take the proper steps from there.
I could decide at 6 months to not require the need to do any decon or polishing, in which case I could just continue maintaining with either Seal N Shine or Ice Spray Wax. I think switching back and forth between both of these is a good idea and should be beneficial for the best performance. 2-3 months could go by, I'm thinking about reapplying the stronger spray protectant, and not really worrying about the base hindering the performance of the topper. Once the base protectant is on the paint, I can be a mad scientist as far as maintenance goes over the month so long as the protectants are compatible and non-abrasive to one another.
The guys up north in the cold areas usually have a more strict schedule. You decon/polish/protect before the cold season, and think about decon/polish/protecting after the cold season. Run maintenance as best you can in between. Otherwise I think it would be difficult to pinpoint through water behavior alone with regular maintenance applications of Ice Spray Wax to know for sure just how well Seal N Shine is doing underneath of it, because Ice Spray Wax is quite durable and hydrophobic by itself.
Did I miss something? Which one performed better?
Hi, what spray nozzle are you using in your videos, I've been trying to find out, figured I ask , thanks.
The nozzle in this video is an MTM Hydro SGS-28 pressure gun, with a 40 degree fan tip. This is paired to a Ryobi pressure washer.
Did you compound and polish the trunk of the BMW too? If not this could explain the difference in water behaivour.
Compounding and polishing the trunk would give very little benefit. The trunk is basically just unprotected, with zero wax or sealant on it.
Unnatural
Last time I attempted decon + compounding and polishing on the trunk was back in March and I left this unprotected since then, but regularly washed.
Why do you think a lot of these products fail much quicker above the crease line(ie, the suface that actually cops weather and sunlight directly)?
UV!!! Florida is heavy on uv rays. A lot of sun. Same with California
Nothing lasts forever.
Hank is correct, here in the Florida the upper areas on the paint feel the bulk of the intense constant heat and UV bombardment, this will accelerate paint weathering and clearcoat failure in these areas. So all of the horizontal panels (roof, trunk, hood), will fail first, then the top sections of the vertical panels, and the failure will work its way down from there.
During this specific test before compounding and polishing, these upper vertical areas were the most oxidized and already undergoing full paint failure. They cleaned up really well during the compounding stage but once the failure has begun to really start, there is no stopping it, so usually the protectants will suffer from being applied on those sections that are marginally weaker compared to the more healthy paint below them.
Also, the protectants feel the bulk of the heat and UV bombardment at the same time compared to the middle/lower sections. So it's a compounded problem by applying protectants to weaker/less healthy paint, and on an area that faces tougher weathering at the same time in this environment.
Good video, from here on out I’m gonna start spraying Moonlight , CarPro lite as my base because most of these sprays aren’t lasting past 60 days. After topping with PolySeal or any of the sprays you’ve reviewed I’ll probably get much better durability than using these sprays. But good video either way love your vids.
Consider the price though. For the price, TW Seal n Shine is worth it, even if it only lasts 60 days. Anything by Car Pro is atleast twice the cost, but are you really getting double protection?
@@jamest7485 I haven’t seen a six month review of any of the Turtle wax sprays including Seal & Shine and I actually used that a lot last year but needs two coats of the original to achieve 8 weeks. But yeah I get it , really inexpensive for the performance but moonlight will probably last longer, same with CarPro lite maybe moonlight wouldn’t and would need a topper at 4 months but it looks better longer. Definitely not as chemical resistant but not by much and the price is a lot better( Turtle Wax) but on a single application or even maybe two you’ll see CarPro lite and moonlight stay on the panel a really long time looking good. The Fillers still standing tall and the shine and gloss hasn’t diminished much after 90 days. I’m not sure we can say that about the Turtle Wax offerings. In fact on some of the cars I used the seal and shine beaded ok after 35-40 days but the shine wasn’t there. Unlike Moonlight and the CarPro lite which I had on the hood and still beaded and still mad shiny after 90 days & on the roof of the car. That’s just me tho. Maybe other folks had different results but I’ll try and hunt down a 60 day review of seal and shine as well.
@@AmirAbdullah I still think Moonlight and definitely CanCoat and CarPro Lite are a leap above the performance of what you can get with products like Seal N Shine in the wild. I haven't tested Moonlight yet, but CanCoat and CQ Lite just deliver on maintaining their stronger hydrophobic nature over time and don't diminish at the same rates. I still feel I have to respect CanCoat much more with its application, it's not a quick spray protectant to work with, it needs to be properly wiped down thoroughly as you would a coating. Whereas Seal N Shine you can overapply it and get streaking but no high spots as you would with CanCoat and CQ Lite and likely Moonlight. I feel this Seal N Shine has been able to maintain good gloss on this rear quarter panel section over the months, the paint still looks great to me.
@@WaxMode I feel you. Me tho if I’m gonna go through the whole process of road grime and traffic film remover , iron remover , clay...the whole 9 I want more durability out of my work. I want it to look better longer, I personally dig the CanCoats , the CarPro CQlite and the Moonlights. I enjoy those as much as I do the acrylics from Xtreme Solutions. Again another way to get more out of my work the acrylics from Xtreme, And I know it’s not apples to apple but it seems so much more rewarding after 90 days and my bucket Kia is still looking really good with a coat of PolySeal on either the Acrylics or the lite coatings. That’s just me tho. I’m getting older I don’t wanna be reapplying a product every 45 days or so. I’d like to see these sealants go 60 days but a good looking 60 days maybe even 75 days looking outstanding on one application. I get that from the lite coatings. Yeah I know it’s different products but that’s just me. Excellent video as well tho.
@@WaxMode I feel
You and your assertion is 100% correct. CanCiat is a dam good product. I just feel like I’m moving away from sprays like turtle wax as my base. I feel like the above mentioned products are a better deal for durability of the top coat. I did see where you had mentioned that the top coats perform so much better with other base layers. In those examples you used some ceramics and the top coat of your choice and then you were seeing those 90 day durability claims but looking better along the way. That to me is a twice a year application of the base layer and then the top coats. In my case now I have the CQ lite and the RX Coating performing outstanding on a black test panel. Application after the prep wasn’t to bad but if I’m gonna get a year of really freshly looking applied material after rains and whatnot that’s so much more for me. I know a lot of folks enjoy washing the car and using the sprays it’s very therapeutic for a lot of folks. Even myself but this here for me is the way. Also interesting to note is I don’t lose clients to longer lasting coatings. Just a side note. Yeah you’re 100% right different products 100% of the way.
Hey buddy, what are your thoughts on using Turtle Wax Seal and Shine on rims? I was thinking about using this on my 370Z's rims as a spray sealant. I reached out to Turtle Wax to see if that was even worth it or would Seal and Shine just flash off quickly under high heat scenario such as rims heated up by hot brakes? What do you think? A viable option as a rim sealant? What about reapplication of this product? Could I just reapply over itself every time I washed the rims? I wasn't sure what you thought of reapplication of Seal and Shine over itself after every wash as a topper? I know you mention using Turtle Wax Ice Spray Wax as they topper for this, but what about just using this stuff again, over the top of itself?
Hey Joe! I'm still hooked on the spray and rinse style protectants for the wheels. This is where 303's Touchless Sealant really "shines", because unlike Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Wax that can be hit or miss when used as a straight spray and rinse protectant in some instances, the 303 has no trouble reacting positively and providing that awesome hydrophobic protection immediately on the first spray and rinse. So 303 Touchless Sealant, Gyeon Wet Coat, or CarPro Hydro2 are still my go to products for wheel maintenance.
I actually haven't tested Seal N Shine out on the wheels, I remember someone saying they got good results when using it as a spray and rinse so I'll have to check this out. I think it should be able to hold up to the heat, and likely better if you're always running a wheel specific cleaner to be able to hold up better to that by being more chemically resistant.
For maintenance, I could see myself swapping back and forth between both Seal N Shine and Ice Spray Wax, and then back to Seal N Shine every once in a while. If you've found that Seal N Shine works really well for you on your paint without streaking, I wouldn't see any problem using it very regularly as its own maintenance topper and skipping Ice Spray Wax. Ice Spray Wax I find it can still be a bit heavy, but generally easier to work with compared to Seal N Shine and I can be less worried about chasing down the paint with a damp microfiber towel after I use it. Ice Spray Wax is also nicely durable by itself, so I find it fun to work with and a perfect compliment to the heavier Seal N Shine.
@@WaxMode Thanks for the extensive reply. I have actually been using the spray and seal type sealants myself on my wheels for the past couple months. I start out with Polish Angel Supersports as the base or initial coat and then after every wash, i've been topping them off with the spray and seal product. I'm using McKee's version of it right now. Not sure which one i'm going to try next. The McKee's was OK, but nothing to write home about. I need to get a better one. The only reason I mention Turtle Wax Seal and Shine is the extreme durability that seems to be the trademark of the product. And the superb value. I thought it might be a great product to put on like Supersports as the initial coat and then keep it going with the Si02 wet spray products after every maintenance wash.
Great video. I personally never have had good durability with TLC2.
I think this shows how good WaxMode is at preparing his paint.
I appreciate it Hank! I actually haven't seen too much feedback on the durability for TLC2, I'm going to have to do some digging to see how it has been holding up for others. I still think in general that TLC2 is better to work with compared to the heavier Seal N Shine, but the pricepoint of SNS and performance would have me choosing it all day compared to the $35 or so for TLC2.
Can we get a long term durability test and early on chemical resistance test on the new Ethos Resist spray coating
Love your content.
Thanks so much!
What kind of gun are you using on your hose?
Love from India❤️.... Sir plz guide which one is best Meguiars Ceramic wax or Turtle Seal n Shine
I think Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Wax is more fun for me to work with. Tighter initial beading, smells better to me, and fun to work it in real quick after washing and then blast rinse it off with the pressure washer. Also comparable in durability, at least compared to the first generation of Seal N Shine. Either one is a good choice, if you pick up Hybrid Ceramic Wax, definitely snag Hybrid Ceramic Detailer at the same time, really good combo. If you pick up Seal N Shine, snag up Ice Spray Wax at the same time and run those for maintenance over the months.
@@WaxMode are these productes available in India
@@TechnoGaming9683 Actually I think a lot of these products are currently out of stock in India right now, possibly due to Covid delays. I know Turtle Wax just recently entered the marketplace in India and Meguiar's looks like they've been selling products but most of what I'm seeing at first glance is out of stock.
@@WaxMode m ordering meguiars ceramic wax and meguiars nxt gen car wash and one amways silicon glaze polish ... is this combo right for my white verna fludic?
@@WaxMode thanks alot Sir ... your big fan from today as u reply my comment... sir my last query i hav 7 years old white verna fludic ... i dnt hav any roof to park car ... so my car every year park outside the house in all seasons rain, winter, and summer... plz guide me suitable car wash, polish,wax or ceramic sprays or any other product which u can recmend with whom i can protect my car paint
i always thought that when talking about sheeting/beading .. rain no matter what (unless unprotected like you demonstrated) will make the water bead
Maybe initially, but as that unprotected panel fills up with H2O, you notice it will remain flat and pool/sheet water off instead. I mostly notice it when comparing my car (which is protected) to my neighbors vehicles, which are older cars that haven't been maintained in quite some time. The rain just results in sheeting on the panel for those older vehicles. Meanwhile, my vehicle will bead the water up like crazy.
So infinite TW seal and shine and after 6 months I want to reapply do I just simply reapply or is there certain prep cleaning I have to do ?(plan to maintain it every month with TW spray wax)
I would say yes, Seal N Shine is something I would want to reapply within 4-6 months if you are maintaining with the spray wax, or 2-4 months if you’re just using Seal N Shine by itself. You can apply right on top.
For me, since I have a paint polisher my prep changes. I look at the paint after maintaining the base protectant for six months and check for embedded contamination, and if the paint has light swirling or marring that I want to clean up after claying. If so I will polish it out, reapply the main protectant like Seal N Shine, and then recheck for embedded contamination and swirling at 6 months again.
How long did the ethos last? With no toppers?
Great video!! Can you do a review on black ice by TLC?
Oh man, how sad is to see paint failure next to the gas door on that BMW causing corrosion.
Yeah it's definitely a shame because other than the exterior of this car, it's a fantastic driver. There's a massive amount of rust that has popped up during the rainy seasons, originally this car was from up north which just accumulated too much rust from the salt dumped on the roads during the winters. Previous owner brought it down south to Tampa when he moved here and was selling it for practically nothing and I couldn't pass it up.
@@WaxMode Since the rust doesn't seem to have a hole it would be worth the effort to correct it so you can enjoy it a bit longer and flip it later.
Would you please test (kisho 24 plus) you will be impressed... It will set the standard.
3 months on shitty paint from a $9 spray wax is just nuts
I’d like to see SnS and BSD face off
Dent guys who come to dealerships could fix those dents. It's normally $40 a panel.
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ill call it dead in about 2 ..3 more months