I mean, the Time Lords in Classic Who kind of got more and more incompetent with each subsequent appearance. Keep in mind they almost got conquered by the Sontarans once.
No amount of bs they claim will make this ok. He was trapped in the time vortex and lived by hanging onto the Tardis. Except he was trapped in a time corridor, and aged to unalive. The 4th Doctor literally says that!!
So suthek was hanging on to the tardis since 1975 I have a few questions : 1. The deadly assassin, The invasion of time , the five doctors (he had a chance to get all of the doctors former selves in one go ) . The doctor returned to Gallifrey why didn't Suthek destroy the time lords while he was there? 2. In frontios the tardis was torn apart did Suthek go for a stroll and a cup of tea while the tardis was put back together? 3. In the mark of the rani the tardis was thrown down a mine shaft surely that would have woken him up 4. When captain Jack clung on the tardis the tardis went to the edge of time to try and shake him off wouldn't the tardis try and shake suthek off 5. When the doctor returned to gallifrey surely the time lords would have spotted suthek. 6. The tardis was thrown into a inferno the heat from that would have alerted suhtek 7. The tardis appeared in human form and would surely tell the doctor about suthek clinging to the tardis . 8. how did suthek jump from doctor 14's tardis to shitty's
Not to mention Amy having to remember the Doctor and the TARDIS back to reality after the universal reboot... How did Sutekh come back? He was only hanging on to the exterior of the TARDIS, not an actual part of it. The TARDIS which for a period of time didn't actually exist.
If someone punches me in the face, it doesn't matter if they told me about it a month ago, it's still a punch in the face and it blooming well hurts! No amount of foreshadowing can turn an abysmal script into a good one.
The most upsetting thing is that Gabriel Woolf was clearly putting his heart and soul into it. With every single line that he delivered, you can tell that he CARED. This will most likely be the last time he ever plays Sutekh. It's the role he will be remembered for when he dies. And Retarded Trash Dildo completely fucked it up for him. There's a video on RUclips that isolates all of Sutekh's voice clips. Without the context of the episodes being terrible, you can actually enjoy Woolf's performance. The man's voice oozed menace and charisma, sounding like a genuinely powerful and ancient deity even when he was delivering cliches. Gabriel Woolf should have left on a high note after voicing Satan in The Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit. Those episodes gave him a banger of a villain and story to work with. They showed how to respect an actor from the Classic Era.
Well...Hmm...I'm not convinced. If such 'hints' don't feel legitimate in retrospect, then the writers are grasping at straws. More sophistry on part of Screen Rant. I get so tired of them shilling.
It's nonsense from beginning to end. The simple matter is, no matter what they say, Sutekh could never have been there even if there were all these masterplan hints and foreshadowing. Which there wasn't, it's just drivel.
I still maintain that in classic _Who_ the bloody Toymaker outranked Sutekh in power and capabilities; ultimately Sutekh was just a mortal alien Osiran / Osirian. The Toymaker was literally a ‘god’ along with Fenric, The Great Old Ones, The Gods of Ragnarok and the Mara. Sutekh was basically ‘only’ just as powerful as a corporeal entity could get but absolutely cannot be considered a Toymaker-tier entity. Even disembodied entities like The Great Intelligence outranked him.
If he was genuinely a god, then the smarter - than - recently 4th Doctor wouldn't have thought that *ageing* him to death would work in the first place.
Just to set (no pun intended) the record straight on Set's appearance. It was Anubis who had the head of what was purely a Jackal (which was what was incorrectly displayed in Empire of Death). Set on the other hand appears to have the head of a non-existent chimeric creature. "In art, Set is usually depicted as an enigmatic creature referred to by Egyptologists as the Set animal, a beast not identified with any known animal, although it could be seen as resembling an aardvark, an African wild dog, a donkey, a hyena, a jackal, a pig, an antelope, a giraffe, or a fennec fox." While internet searches reveal the Set animal to have something similar to a dog, hyena, jackal-like body, the head most definitely resembles an aardvark with its squared ears and curved elongated snout. The visuals for Sutekh in Pyramids of Mars were actually FAR closer to the correct appearance of Set. He is absolutely NOT a traditional domesticated dog of ANY breed, so his method of defeat, a leash and a dog whistle, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. This is not only incredibly lazy writing, but shows a lack of research and a total disregard for the 'real life' inspiration for the character. But what else can you expect from a writer who doesn't know what an anagram is...
Sutekh didn't "return" in Doctor Who. The thing they called Sutekh bore no similarity to the one from Pyramids of Mars beyond sharing the same name and the original voice actor.
Sutekh was never in the Vortex. It's stated in Pyramids he was in a Time Corridor, they are two separate things. If you want another example, the Time Corridor in Resurrection of the Daleks proves it and the Vortex aren't the same, as the human prisoners were able to escape down it without harm. Therefore the Screen Rant theory is null and void. QED.
Yup , bundle of crap. Just watched Pyramids of Mars the other day. Still classic, still wonderful. Gave up on this crap after the specials where Tennant's Doctor is now gay. Hard to go back and watch the Tennant era now.
It was the ripped off scene from Pyramid of Mars that made me think that Sutekh was "the one who waits." Would've liked to have been wrong but sadly I wasn't.
Okay to be fair they explained why groaning only started in Wild Blue Yonder, in some interview or something. Basically explosion in the end of the Star Beast woke him up *Pandorika Opens laughs in the distance* Also Pantheon was established back in RTD 1, but I think only is Sarah Jane Adventures.
Its bullshit. The whole Sutekh revival idea was crap anyway. They keep on going back to the classic era for ideas because they don't have the imagination to create something new. Lets just fuck around with somebody else's genuinely great idea from 50 - 60 odd years ago and screw it up. Look at that Timeless Child crap - unable to actually come up with anything ingenious they just fuck with something that has been perfectly acceptable since the word go and crap all over it for no reason, other than they can. I wasn't a fan of the Davison era at the time, but recently re-watched Series 19 - 21 and on the whole its a gazillion times better than anything delivered by RTD - in either his 1st or 2nd stint - and I'm still not a huge fan of the Davison era! These agenda driven apologists for RTD2 should just be ignored in my opinion. They're never going to alter my opinion, so bollocks to them.
Sounds like some crap Roger the Alien would come up with in American Dad. "It's. Been. Established!!!" Screenrant are behaving like kids. Desperate kids who are trying too hard to justify "their" show, brand, franchise etc. Playground talk, if you will.
"The Art of Tard"!!! I love it dude!! As for that list? It's as much bollocks and nearly as illogical and poorly written as anything that appeared in Series 1, 14 or 40. I'd expect no less from Screen Rant. Talk about flimsiest of clues, more like clutching at straws!
Nope, that whole article was a reach and exercise in cope overload. You are correct in your assessment the whole Sutehk storyline, like the majority of the episodes from "S1," gives the impression of a first draft submission of a teenage RTD fanw@nk, not something a seasoned writer would present. It was all quite embarrassing.
I don't think they understand what foreshadowing is because it's not something that happens as part of the reveal (Sue Tech)nor is it the title of an episode after the reveal. The only one that may be vaguely foreshadowing would be the dog song but that's a stretch because, as you say, he didn't look like a dog originally, and jackals don't really look like dogs. Mind you he looked more like a donkey in the show. It's seriously reaching on something that makes no sense within the show's canon
That version clearly established the Fob Watch and what it could do. It wasn't a throwaway clue, the Fob Watch was vital to Human Nature and The Family of Blood, so it was more than just a setup. Plus, it emphasizing Martha's observational skills by having her be the first to notice it was the same watch. Paul Cornell saved Retarded Trash Dildo's arse with that. Dildo has no idea how to do setup and payoff - he's always standing on the shoulders of more talented writers (except Midnight which I'll reluctantly but sincerely give him full credit for, even though I'd love that episode more if it was written by Steven Moffat) - but Cornell smoothed out the transition with the 2-parter of David Tennant being a human.
I stopped watching after ncutis inception. As the old saying goes:" to taste the ocean all you need is one gulp". I'm only here for the popcorn now. And for that moment all this will be gone and Mr Capaldis voice intones "...and it was all a dream...."
The writing was poor and the premiss invalid from the start. I had seen better fan ideas than what we actually got, mainly involving the Trickster, that could have explained other parts of the series that are now either mistakes or deliberate red herrings?
Sorry mate. It turns my stomach now having to watch shit about Doctor Who. I thought we'd all agreed it's dead and we should move on with our lives. I'll mute you and keep the tab open but I can't endure this. I never even watched any of it so it's not relevant to me anyway. I suggest moving on yourself or these people will get bored and up and leave also. They've probably abandoned the show anyway, and if they haven't then why put out good contents for these people. You know they'll be waiting to pounce on you at the first whiff of coloured hair violence. Funny isn't it with this lot that mis gendering someone is violence but they can all laugh and joke about how the 2nd assassination attempt missed! Go figure. You've seen the state of it out there! I blame them.
You can try and polish a turd for months and it will still be a piece of shit And that’s what that whole series was and the big bad was equally as shit Along with the “showrunner” and “star” of the show
Sutekh's presence would've been detected & purged the moment the Tardis landed on Galifrey in Deadly Assassin.
I mean, the Time Lords in Classic Who kind of got more and more incompetent with each subsequent appearance. Keep in mind they almost got conquered by the Sontarans once.
No amount of bs they claim will make this ok.
He was trapped in the time vortex and lived by hanging onto the Tardis. Except he was trapped in a time corridor, and aged to unalive. The 4th Doctor literally says that!!
Exactly, he was never in the Vortex! If he had been, how did he survive it when it killed him in Empire of Death???
So suthek was hanging on to the tardis since 1975 I have a few questions :
1. The deadly assassin, The invasion of time , the five doctors (he had a chance to get all of the doctors former selves in one go ) . The doctor returned to Gallifrey why didn't Suthek destroy the time lords while he was there?
2. In frontios the tardis was torn apart did Suthek go for a stroll and a cup of tea while the tardis was put back together?
3. In the mark of the rani the tardis was thrown down a mine shaft surely that would have woken him up
4. When captain Jack clung on the tardis the tardis went to the edge of time to try and shake him off wouldn't the tardis try and shake suthek off
5. When the doctor returned to gallifrey surely the time lords would have spotted suthek.
6. The tardis was thrown into a inferno the heat from that would have alerted suhtek
7. The tardis appeared in human form and would surely tell the doctor about suthek clinging to the tardis .
8. how did suthek jump from doctor 14's tardis to shitty's
All excellent questions!
Not to mention Amy having to remember the Doctor and the TARDIS back to reality after the universal reboot... How did Sutekh come back? He was only hanging on to the exterior of the TARDIS, not an actual part of it. The TARDIS which for a period of time didn't actually exist.
I love humans...always seeing patterns in things that dont exist. - The 8th Doctor
I'm here for the RTD impression.... Don't let us down Will
If someone punches me in the face, it doesn't matter if they told me about it a month ago, it's still a punch in the face and it blooming well hurts! No amount of foreshadowing can turn an abysmal script into a good one.
The most upsetting thing is that Gabriel Woolf was clearly putting his heart and soul into it. With every single line that he delivered, you can tell that he CARED. This will most likely be the last time he ever plays Sutekh. It's the role he will be remembered for when he dies. And Retarded Trash Dildo completely fucked it up for him.
There's a video on RUclips that isolates all of Sutekh's voice clips. Without the context of the episodes being terrible, you can actually enjoy Woolf's performance. The man's voice oozed menace and charisma, sounding like a genuinely powerful and ancient deity even when he was delivering cliches.
Gabriel Woolf should have left on a high note after voicing Satan in The Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit. Those episodes gave him a banger of a villain and story to work with. They showed how to respect an actor from the Classic Era.
Well...Hmm...I'm not convinced. If such 'hints' don't feel legitimate in retrospect, then the writers are grasping at straws. More sophistry on part of Screen Rant. I get so tired of them shilling.
It's nonsense from beginning to end. The simple matter is, no matter what they say, Sutekh could never have been there even if there were all these masterplan hints and foreshadowing. Which there wasn't, it's just drivel.
The fact that the simp press is trying to rationalize the stupid decisions means the whole thing was a massive failure.
The Beatles dog song reminds me of the "It's OK to leave your dog in a hot car" Meme tune.
I still maintain that in classic _Who_ the bloody Toymaker outranked Sutekh in power and capabilities; ultimately Sutekh was just a mortal alien Osiran / Osirian. The Toymaker was literally a ‘god’ along with Fenric, The Great Old Ones, The Gods of Ragnarok and the Mara. Sutekh was basically ‘only’ just as powerful as a corporeal entity could get but absolutely cannot be considered a Toymaker-tier entity. Even disembodied entities like The Great Intelligence outranked him.
He definitely was different to all of those. He was just a super advanced alien.
Facts
If he was genuinely a god, then the smarter - than - recently 4th Doctor wouldn't have thought that *ageing* him to death would work in the first place.
@@steventhomas2856 exactly, gosh I hate what they did to Sutekh🤦♂️
Just to set (no pun intended) the record straight on Set's appearance. It was Anubis who had the head of what was purely a Jackal (which was what was incorrectly displayed in Empire of Death). Set on the other hand appears to have the head of a non-existent chimeric creature.
"In art, Set is usually depicted as an enigmatic creature referred to by Egyptologists as the Set animal, a beast not identified with any known animal, although it could be seen as resembling an aardvark, an African wild dog, a donkey, a hyena, a jackal, a pig, an antelope, a giraffe, or a fennec fox." While internet searches reveal the Set animal to have something similar to a dog, hyena, jackal-like body, the head most definitely resembles an aardvark with its squared ears and curved elongated snout.
The visuals for Sutekh in Pyramids of Mars were actually FAR closer to the correct appearance of Set.
He is absolutely NOT a traditional domesticated dog of ANY breed, so his method of defeat, a leash and a dog whistle, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. This is not only incredibly lazy writing, but shows a lack of research and a total disregard for the 'real life' inspiration for the character.
But what else can you expect from a writer who doesn't know what an anagram is...
Somehow Sutekh returned...
Sutekh didn't "return" in Doctor Who. The thing they called Sutekh bore no similarity to the one from Pyramids of Mars beyond sharing the same name and the original voice actor.
Sutekh was never in the Vortex. It's stated in Pyramids he was in a Time Corridor, they are two separate things. If you want another example, the Time Corridor in Resurrection of the Daleks proves it and the Vortex aren't the same, as the human prisoners were able to escape down it without harm. Therefore the Screen Rant theory is null and void. QED.
Yup , bundle of crap. Just watched Pyramids of Mars the other day. Still classic, still wonderful. Gave up on this crap after the specials where Tennant's Doctor is now gay. Hard to go back and watch the Tennant era now.
The Pantheon Leader LOL. The leader of the pack.
Given RTDavros' Queer Eye For The Sci Fi makeover of Doctor Who, does that make it The Pink Pantheon?
Oh great. Now I got the Pink Panther theme running through my head.
It was the ripped off scene from Pyramid of Mars that made me think that Sutekh was "the one who waits." Would've liked to have been wrong but sadly I wasn't.
I was exactly the same
Okay to be fair they explained why groaning only started in Wild Blue Yonder, in some interview or something. Basically explosion in the end of the Star Beast woke him up *Pandorika Opens laughs in the distance*
Also Pantheon was established back in RTD 1, but I think only is Sarah Jane Adventures.
They forgot #7: The copy of The Pyramids of Mars in Gatwa's purse.
True. He has that shit on dvd
RTD trying to destroy another great villain, RTD you failed as I checked out back in 2017 so there. 🤣🤣
Well, I'm convinced -- that the article writer thinks we're gibbering idiots.
Very nicely put Sir. Do I detect a touch of sardony in your voice? 😊
You might say that lol
When you check Wikis, ALWYAS head to edit history to see how the page was before the revisionism.
Fun fact. Never watched any episode. Thank you for suffering for me.
And with one bound, he returned...
The clue to how bad this was is how hard 'fans' are simping for it.
I watched the first 20 mins of the Shitty Gatwa episode 1 and turned it off and didn’t go back !!
Its bullshit.
The whole Sutekh revival idea was crap anyway. They keep on going back to the classic era for ideas because they don't have the imagination to create something new. Lets just fuck around with somebody else's genuinely great idea from 50 - 60 odd years ago and screw it up. Look at that Timeless Child crap - unable to actually come up with anything ingenious they just fuck with something that has been perfectly acceptable since the word go and crap all over it for no reason, other than they can.
I wasn't a fan of the Davison era at the time, but recently re-watched Series 19 - 21 and on the whole its a gazillion times better than anything delivered by RTD - in either his 1st or 2nd stint - and I'm still not a huge fan of the Davison era!
These agenda driven apologists for RTD2 should just be ignored in my opinion. They're never going to alter my opinion, so bollocks to them.
All of classic Who is better than his drivel!
@@Farsight-nc1ib
Exactly!
Sounds like some crap Roger the Alien would come up with in American Dad. "It's. Been. Established!!!"
Screenrant are behaving like kids. Desperate kids who are trying too hard to justify "their" show, brand, franchise etc. Playground talk, if you will.
It's as bad as Empire of Death irself!
"The Art of Tard"!!! I love it dude!! As for that list? It's as much bollocks and nearly as illogical and poorly written as anything that appeared in Series 1, 14 or 40. I'd expect no less from Screen Rant. Talk about flimsiest of clues, more like clutching at straws!
Am I shill shocked? No, no not at all.
I'm not sure which was more underwhelming, Sutek or Sea Devils.
Scoobytekh every time!
Sutekh storyline was CRAP - not half as good as BAD WOLF
Before that episode literally didn’t even know who suteck was so it had no impact on me when he was revealed
Nope, that whole article was a reach and exercise in cope overload. You are correct in your assessment the whole Sutehk storyline, like the majority of the episodes from "S1," gives the impression of a first draft submission of a teenage RTD fanw@nk, not something a seasoned writer would present. It was all quite embarrassing.
I think the whole there's always a twist at the end was the main plug for that song susan twist anything else is a a bit of a sustretch.
I like your theme song.
I don't think they understand what foreshadowing is because it's not something that happens as part of the reveal (Sue Tech)nor is it the title of an episode after the reveal. The only one that may be vaguely foreshadowing would be the dog song but that's a stretch because, as you say, he didn't look like a dog originally, and jackals don't really look like dogs. Mind you he looked more like a donkey in the show.
It's seriously reaching on something that makes no sense within the show's canon
LOL you're right. It really is pathetic the way they did it, and what they did in the first place.
I thought Sutekh's reveal was a lot like the reveal of professor Yana being the master.
Yeah, that was bloody awful too.
That version clearly established the Fob Watch and what it could do. It wasn't a throwaway clue, the Fob Watch was vital to Human Nature and The Family of Blood, so it was more than just a setup. Plus, it emphasizing Martha's observational skills by having her be the first to notice it was the same watch.
Paul Cornell saved Retarded Trash Dildo's arse with that. Dildo has no idea how to do setup and payoff - he's always standing on the shoulders of more talented writers (except Midnight which I'll reluctantly but sincerely give him full credit for, even though I'd love that episode more if it was written by Steven Moffat) - but Cornell smoothed out the transition with the 2-parter of David Tennant being a human.
I stopped watching after ncutis inception. As the old saying goes:" to taste the ocean all you need is one gulp". I'm only here for the popcorn now. And for that moment all this will be gone and Mr Capaldis voice intones "...and it was all a dream...."
They can try all they like, but nothing works to fix this utter joke that RTD has turned Who into.
These "clues" escaped me because I didn't watch this garbage!
Does anybody watch Dr Who anymore? If it wasn't for Channels like this on YT I wouldn't know anything about Who or Disney or any this DEI nonsense.
The writing was poor and the premiss invalid from the start. I had seen better fan ideas than what we actually got, mainly involving the Trickster, that could have explained other parts of the series that are now either mistakes or deliberate red herrings?
Did I not read just the other day,series 3 is not getting made ,?.
Sorry mate. It turns my stomach now having to watch shit about Doctor Who. I thought we'd all agreed it's dead and we should move on with our lives.
I'll mute you and keep the tab open but I can't endure this. I never even watched any of it so it's not relevant to me anyway.
I suggest moving on yourself or these people will get bored and up and leave also. They've probably abandoned the show anyway, and if they haven't then why put out good contents for these people. You know they'll be waiting to pounce on you at the first whiff of coloured hair violence.
Funny isn't it with this lot that mis gendering someone is violence but they can all laugh and joke about how the 2nd assassination attempt missed!
Go figure. You've seen the state of it out there! I blame them.
You can try and polish a turd for months and it will still be a piece of shit
And that’s what that whole series was and the big bad was equally as shit
Along with the “showrunner” and “star” of the show
Watching this video just reminds me how bad this series was.
I've seen fan fiction that was better.
Who cares
Oh please! Let's just be honest, this is all crap!!!