The Big Problem With Doctor Who's Best Episode
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2022
- In this video, we look at the longstanding Doctor Who issue of writing for both a casual and a hardcore audience, comparing Heaven Sent with a Tom Baker story, The Deadly Assassin.
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Now you mention it I want to see midnight edited now to have random clips of donna getting a massage/pedicure etc etc. Like the doctors being dragged out then suddenly donna lying down relaxing with cucumber over her eyes for 5-10 seconds then back to the doctor being dragged. It wouldn't improve the episode and probably make it worse but I'd like to just see it now
It would be a pretty cool juxtaposition.
Done well it could've been a pretty solid joke
This would be well within Tate's wheelhouse; I can imagine her humming to herself in a slightly empty-headed way the whole time
Lol
I must say, you're right and you should say it.@@MunkiZee
*So basically, Heaven Sent is an episode that's SO good, that its biggest and only flaw is that not everyone can handle just how brilliant it is.*
*What a fckn alpha of an episode.*
@@KingCrab85 Oh yeah true.
I put Hell Bent to the back of my mind to be honest.
@@KingCrab85 yes and no. The doctor always resented Rassilon and his sycophants and blamed them for basically being responsible for the time war and culminating in Claras death. He doesn't hate the people of Gallifrey, just the higher-ups who govern it.
As for his fleeing to the end of time, so Clara doesn't have to die is an issue that is more psychological than political I suppose...
@@KingCrab85 yessss(begrudgingly).... I have to agree there... they should have made more drama about the doctors return... it should have been...
But I also kinda understand... because he spent all those years having human relationships with his friends and whatever he wants to call them...
It could have been so much more,
I really can't see how, other than Hell Bent actually being decent.
Fr if that episode was just the Doctor fighting the Time Lords on Gallifrey, I'd've been fine with that.
Certainly better than what we got. @@hb4080
Racist Bins is the most accurate description of a Dalek I've ever heard
Could we not also say Blink breaks away from the typical formula as well? Doc and Martha basically have the regular episode offscreen whilst we follow a protagonist who we have never met before or see again. Sparrow seems to have multiple companions but two get Angled before the ep sticks with one. Yes I suppose the Angels are a typical villain at least in terms of motive: they want to steal the tardis. But even when it comes to saving the day, on surface level it seems the Doctor saves Sparrow and co. But technically Sparrow instructed the Doctor, who then in instructed Sparrow, who then told the Doctor, who then informed Sparrow, who then Bootstrap, bootstrap, bootstrap....
Which of course means, does the text above matter? Considering Heaven Sent is the superior episode to Blink... probably not :P
They do break from the formula, but in a different way.
He's talking about the episodes that have the Doctor on his own.
You're talking about the episodes that barely have the doctor - Blink, Love and Monsters, Etc.
@@troytab6089 Ty for the clarification. I am glad I got blab about it tho.
@@troytab6089 I thought of Love and Monsters in this context. Then I tried to erase it from my thoughts.
I can't remember why DT and BP were unavailable (filming on location or something?) but Blink demonstrates that you can, with some imagination, get round that, just as when Bill Hartnell was ill, they made the Doctor invisible (a prank by the Celestial Toymaker). In those days, shows were live, and took up 50 weeks a year. Even the most dedicated actors need family time, holidays, etc, so scripts were written with one or more of the main cast missing, or "somewhere else".
It's still done on soaps, Aaron Dingle "in Italy" because Danny Miller was, irl, on paternity leave and in the "Jungle" for I'm a Celeb.
Love and Monsters, on the other hand, shows how NOT to deal with the problem.....
@@Neil070 I maintain that love and monsters was perfectly inoffensive until the abzorbaloff showed up
Angeled* or Angel'd*
Angled would be being killed by an Angle
"OH NO RUN, THE OBTUSE ANGLES ARE COMING"
Heaven Sent is a masterpiece of story telling and was the perfect episode to follow the death of Clara.
Agreed, peak Doctor Who
Then you get hell bent tho lmafo
@@urmomdotcomhomefromnam1083 An even better episode!
@@najawin8348 it ruins the whole point of heavens sent. The doctor doesn’t get over his grief, he succumbed to it
@@urmomdotcomhomefromnam1083 Correct! But that was already part of _Heaven Sent,_ the entire point of _Heaven Sent_ is that The Doctor is trapped in the _first_ stage of grief the entire time, denial. He simply refuses to accept Clara's death and let her go, the narrative tricking us into thinking of this as a good thing, when in fact it's an incredibly toxic and unhealthy way to proceed after someone has died.
Moffat has talked about this, from the HS lockdown watch along. "Compare and contrast: what the Dr THINKS Clara would say to him (get up off your arse and win) and what the real Clara says in Hell Bent (why would you do that to yourself?) Weird thing - the best scene in Heaven Sent is in Hell Bent (Dr and Clara in the cloisters)."
That "The Man who Never Would" caption over the clip from Attack of The Cybermen is brilliant.
Six *definitely* would lmao
I personally wish they’d vaguely implied that the doctor is like that now because of the trauma of the time war. I get he’s seen wars before, but it’s a bit different when you childhood Starbucks is being bombed.
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Love that the Companion who simply left the TARDIS was more permanently gone than the one who Fucking Died.
Nothing on tv will ever match how i felt the first time i realised that he was in a loop.. absolutely heartbreaking
So true. Capaldi's run was the only one that i had absolutely no spoilers for (besides the fact that clara died) so everything in it, like when he went blind, just hit even more.
especially this. my heartstrings were in pieces
That's a treasured moment for me. One of my brothers missed our first viewing and we all immediately wanted to rewatch it with him. We all agreed that we wouldn't say a word to him for the entire episode
The first time I saw Heaven Sent, the tonal shift from the previous episode bothered me. I've found that in subsequent views, where I already know whet the episode is trying to accomplish, the tonal shift doesn't bother me and I can appreciate it on its own merits. Every time I watch it, I like it more.
I legitimately thought I missed an episode because of the contrast and how it puts you in middle of the story.
Actually the first Doctor Who story to run past the watershed was the TV Movie which ran in a 90 minute slot starting at 8.30. This late start time didn't prevent the episode being cut for violence (bizarrely the BBFC decided that the VHS release had to have the same cuts). This meant that the uncut version was unseen by UK viewers until BBC2's Doctor Who night 3 1/2 years later.
It’s less bizarre when you understand that the cut violence was the gun fight and the TV move was broadcast just after the Dunblane massacre.
It’s less bizarre when you understand that the cut violence was the gun fight and the TV move was broadcast just after the Dunblane massacre.
@@alexbennett7018 I had forgotten that, but imo, the cut footage added nothing, and was best left out.
@@Neil070Except the bits remaining made no sense. People simply disappeared between cuts!
Heaven Sent really doesn't require previous knowledge of Doctor Who to enjoy. I actually mixed the episode where Clara died and was confused at first. But the story it tells is amazing, whether or not you like Doctor Who.
Your comedic scripting and timing is incredible. You only have two Doctor Who videos but I'd love to see more.
This video was way more fun to watch than I expected, you've got fantastic presence.
Sleep No More was a fantastic episode. It just made the mistake of assuming the audience was watching just because their eyes were open.
I always thought I was wierd for legitimately enjoying it
@@demon_hawkeye5269 nothing weird about it, it's a great psychological episode (like "Last Christmas") that plays with the idea of the unreliable narrator. And Reece Shearsmith was great in it.
@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg I honestly only just remembered how legitimately good last Christmas was also
@@demon_hawkeye5269 absolutely. A lot of my favourite films and shows are the psychological ones, especially unreliable narrator stories (like "Joker") - so episodes like "Last Christmas", "Sleep No More" and "Amy's Choice" are stand-out episodes for me.
@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg Ah, by any chance have you seen American psycho? That's an absolutely brilliant one
A fellow TV movie defender. Thank you for your service.
And an Ace fan?! I hit that subscribe button faster than anyone has ever done before.
I think the TV move is... decent? Which tbh puts me in that category because the most common opinion is is that it's bad, I'd say that ace is the best classic companion
"Paul McGann is my dad" congrats to Capaldi and McGann on their beautiful baby boy Owen.
This implies Capaldi is Owen's mother and I'm not upset about it
This is one of the few times when RUclips doesn't recommend me something good but something amazing, great analysis and comedic timing. Already subscribing.
True, Midnight really is just every 3am in any Mcdonalds in the UK
I watch a lot of tv but I have a very tiny mind so I tend to forget a lot of what I’ve watched, including many episodes of Doctor who. I’d completely forgotten how Clara died and the whole plot of that episode but I still remembered Heaven Sent. For some reason it was just a memorable episode to me.
A few minutes in and you are naturally funny, have good editing and are engaging, I hope your channel gets more recognition
“See that David Tennant isn’t there - yet” *stares in 2023*
well, he's not there anymore.
@@daiyahigashikatathey sent his ass to the retirement home
(+ jojolion mentioned rahhh what the fuck is a coherent plot)
I am a fan of the campness in this video.
I'm now entirely emotionally invested.
I love your sense of humour - it fits Doctor Who very well, for some reason. Keep it up!
An hour with Peter Capaldi should've been great and I can't fault his performance, but visually the whole episode is grey, slate and murky variations thereof, maybe they just conveyed grief TOO WELL
I really like hearing your thoughts on Doctor Who! This video made me watch your other one on Kerblam. I'd love to hear about any of your favorite EU stories/fanmade content, especially for the 8th Doctor.
I'm subscribing simply for how this ended genuinely made me laugh after the prominent bigger on the inside quip
The 8th doctor audios are so good that Paul Mcgann is unironically my 2nd favorite Doctor and Charley is my fav companion. The movie is weird but it's not bc of Paul Mcgann. Anyone who likes Doctor who should give it a try.
Great production value on this video, kudos. Can't believe I haven't seen your channel before. Subscribed.
The Clara scream dub caught me by surprise too, hilarious.
Thank you! Interested to read your old fanfiction. Sounds adorable.
Man, I really enjoyed your editing. Great script!
I agree totally with you…that was one of the elite written and acted doctor who episodes. Top 3 in writing and acting. It carried so much emotional weight in a brilliant idea of a situation. I watch that episode every couple of months.
This video melted my brain. I need more content from you, I have subscribed
This has given me ownership of your soul.
This is the first time I've come across your channel and one of your videos.
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just came across this video, i bloody love your input on dr who and your sense of humour is elite !
haven't seen your channel before but I love this video already. Your humour and analysis is a breath of fresh air and really entertaining
Man I love your channel, glad I discovered it, especially the mum jokes
Only just started watching your vids but by GOD do I like them! You put so much effort, soul and charisma into your work I’m honestly baffled and genuinely jealous! Good points well made too ^_^
Your channel is incredible lmao. So glad the algorithm showed it to me
12:29 funniest bit in the whole bit. (Great vid. Made me sad for the days of fun and the Doctor.)
Great video! I just wish you talked just a liiiiiittle bit slower in the voice over segments. I had a little difficulty keeping up with the amount of information presented in some of the voice over segments You have a really good presence and have good points. Have faith that viewers will stick around if you take a more measured pace. We want to hear your analysis and conclusions so we’ll stick around regardless of how long it takes. :)
Just wanted to say keep up the good work! I found your channel today and have watched like 4 or 5 episodes in a row now. I was really surprised to see you only have 1.4k subscribers, I’m sure you will go on to get a lot more soon! You have the humour and editing on par with a much bigger channel.
Agreed. New viewer here, and I watched the video before I looked at his sub count and was shocked to see it so low. The quality is fantastic and he'll undoubtedly grow very quickly. Just earned a new sub from me.
This is the best doctor who analysis video I have seen. Definitely subscribing.
Good production!
I enjoyed the humour you used!
And you talked about "heaven sent" for 10% of the total duration of the video...
Maius extra qua intra?
Cheers
ngl the joke about the venn diagram really made me subscribe
You’re an excellent content maker - sense of humor hits me perfectly.
This guy needs to make more videos like this. Fucking fantastic work. Hilarious and insightful.
The memes!
This video genuinely made my day, you're hilarious man. 😂
The Doctor Dances is the best episode of New Who. It and the Empty Child will never lose the crown
I'll be honest, I might be ~'*wine drunk at 4AM*'~ but that line about having a David Tennant poster annihilated me.
for sure my favourite of your videos! also i do not accept fear her slander only because i had dr who top trumps and the fear her ones were the most mysterious to my addled child brain
I am subscribing and liking because you talk as fast AND how i think, so thank you for that :3
It reminds me of the underwater episode of bojack horseman. The medium itself almost changes. Love the video!
It's funny, I also thought of BoJack, but the episode that came to mind was Free Churro.
This is a really well-put-together and edited video!
Because Dr Who is for everyone, it means that I can still watch it with my family like I did when I was a kid in 2005.
We don't watch the regular episodes cuz I don't live at home anymore but we watch the Specials together.
I like how Dr who is for everyone because it means that anyone who watches it will probably find something they like.
And we can all be emotionally scared by that dude's face being turned into a gas mask in yhe Empty Child
“You probably go outside sometimes “ 😂
As a 40 year old man who’s watched since C Baker, I never thought I’d be subscribing to a channel like yours, but you’re utterly impressive…I’ve subbed…keep it up, I’ve no doubt I’ll be bragging about being one of the first 2k very soon. Awesome job, great humor and information given out simultaneously
Hi Owen, love your channel, what's your favourite episode from each of the revival doctors?
I think that tank in 2016 felt like a serious death knoll for Dr Who. Steven Moffat was done (i dont blame him), Capaldi was doing the old 3 season wrap up. I think the biggest tragedy is is that these episodes at the end of series 9 with some of the best for awhile, like I just will never get past how the doctor spent billions of years in a torture prison killing himself over and over to punch through a diamond wall just for it to be mentioned in the next episode then really never again.
Death ‘knoll’? Is that a nasty hill in Yorkshire? You mean nell. Still death knoll is a lovely phrase. I’m using that from now on. Cheers!
@@diskgrinder it very likely could be! But yes i did mean nell, but knoll does sound better.
@@diskgrinderisn't it spelled knell? (Genuine question I've got no idea if nell is also a valid spelling)
@@daiyahigashikata remember the part he falls on the ground in front of the whatever wall and clara has to actually talk to him to get him back up?
he says it, that's always when he remembers everything, and he means the other times he repeated the maze. it's when he asks "why can't I just lose?", it's why he feels so defeated before clara talks to him. and it would probably get worse with every cycle.
so yes, the guy who told river it was the first time he laughed in a long time, experienced the 4.5 billion years in the maze.
I think the show’s core value is in its juxtaposition of being for the masses and for the fans. In addition I think the shows very nature is that of a swinging pendulum since in the Hartnell years there was the “history vs. science” back-and-forth where episodes set in the future had more fantastical elements but setting that involved the past were much more grounded.
I think an episode like Human Nature/Family of Blood is the perfect mix of these two aspects of the show
Great video, subbed 👍
I hope I don't need a tv license to watch this video 😫 😭 😩
Great video as usual!
Man, Moffat really has a good understanding of DW.
That really is handsome wallpaper. Anyhow I agree with the sentiment that Dr. Who should jump from from high concept to low concept episodes. You can have both honestly. Also the Nielsen rating system is total crapshoot. It's why I dislike focus groups.
The 50th anniversary special is my favourite episode
Pretty based tbh, Day of the Doctor is brilliant
Literally haven’t watched Doctor Who but this video is so well made❤ so cool💀
WHAT? Go watch it now. I command thee
Obsessed with ur channel
You are a funny guy and I do appreciate your take on Who I have been a fan since 1978 when I first started watching the 4th Doctor and have been a Who fan ever since.
that's it? I thought that the biggest problem is he could have literally chosen ANYTHING other than his bare knuckles to break that wall with. Shit, wasn't there a FRICKEN SHOVEL in one scene?
Thanks for a fantastic video!
Liked, subscribed, and turned on notifications.
Can't wait to see what you do next,
All hail the Algorithm!
You have gained a fan sir!
Thank god for the RUclips algorithm allowing me to find this channel! (Also do you have a Letterboxd?)
I love the line "Lower Decks is just Rick and Morty in space...." 🤣
Harsh though. Lower Decks isn't nearly as depressing. Quite the opposite.
Finally, an excuse to talk about my favorite episode besides gridlock
can we all agree to pretend Hell Bent never happened afterwards? The whole "don't worry, Clara becomes immortal instead" thing robs Face the Raven and Heaven Sent of their drama, tension, and meaning. It was a decision borne of Moffat's inability to put his characters through anything hard or hurt them
Her death is a fixed point in time, she has to return at some point. At the end, she says, "We're going to Gallifrey the long way around" meaning she's still gonna die but first she's gonna have some fun
she left the show on happy terms, she's now functionally immortal. the drama of her death was undone - whatever handwavey excuse Moffat made for it is immaterial - her death was an impactful moment and then that moment was rendered irrelevant
Whenever you upload a vid after ages I'm like "I thought I sent you to Birmingham for a packet of crisps"
I think you could also make the argument that Castellan Spandrell is the Doctor's companion in "The Deadly Assassin".
I have to ask. how on earth are you avoiding the copy right bots with your content. I out a 5 second clip from the show in one of my videos and its immediately got a strike on it. I cant use anything more than still images without having to warp the image slightly.
Well you meandered around getting to point.... But it was a very good point, about Doctor Who at it's core being appealing to everyone, when you finally got to it 😃
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The Timeless Child score makes sense to me. I hate the twist, but I thought the presentation of the twist was really well done.
How so? The presentation was literally the Master infodumping a captured Doctor.
@@irrevenant3 with a setup that is difficult to believe at best, so the master can just snoop in the archives and find it that easily? An execution of this sort of twist that is far better that I can think of to compare to would be (spoilers for The Boys season 3)
Homelander confirming his father is Soldier Boy, that worked because this was something orchestrated by the people at the head of Vought and Homelander was able to find this information by taking that authority.
@@demon_hawkeye5269 I immediately had to stop reading when I hit "spoiler for S3 the Boys" (and thank you for tagging that, BTW!).
I personally didn't have a problem with that aspect of it.
The Master has a ton of experience with the Matrix from past serials, and is uniquely obsessed with the Doctor. If anybody was going to find an obscure record in the Matrix and realise it referred to the Doctor, it would be him.
@@demon_hawkeye5269 the Master finding obscure information in the Matrix isn't at all out of character. In fact, you can basically sum the Master's entire character over the last 6 decades as a kind of spy version of Tyrion Lannister - he wears disguises and he knows things.
@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg no, its not out of character for him to snoop but for that information to be accessible by anyone on the master's level of intelligence is logically hard to believe at best when it's one of the biggest, if not the biggest secret of the timelords
You want to know something funny? I was going to hit subscribe just as you asked us to sub at 9:40. Good timing on that.
hey i just randomly got this video in my recommendations, and i dont know if this is sudden to ask, but may i ask what your microphone is?
This video is fantastic and hilariously funny. defo subbing
I have to say I quite liked Flux, it was the only part of the Chibnall era I didn't hate. That and Eve of the Daleks. The episodes didn't feel like first drafts rushed into production with zero thought put into them
Fanfic link when? 👀
absolutely hilarious. tight editing, good jokes, fantastic
What is the name of the novel he mentioned about the doctor ascending and killing god? sound very interesting
9:44 Never felt more called out. Brain = Melted , Channel = subscribed
I actually really liked flux because it was such a refreshing deviation from the normal monster of the week format. Say what you want about the timeless child plotline but flux was a fantastic way to tell the story it wanted to tell. It was great how it threw you in and let you figure things out and slowly built up the people involved.
I really love your doctor who videos
What an amazing conclusion. That was fantastic
Like a lot of people are saying, the editing and flow of this video is really great! I’m glad you’ve shown up on my recommended
Absolute gold, subscribed
Considering 12 quid in 1963 is about £209.45 now I’m not surprised at the effects quality. I’m more horrified at inflation
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I don't see this as a problem at all, especially since the point of the entire season was exploring the dynamic of the Doctor/companion relationship. Of course the fornula would change shockingly when the companion was gone. 😊
I like it when people like the things I like. And I don't like it when people don't like what I like. I like Heaven Sent, and anyone who doesn't like it is bantha poodoo.
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but does have access to RUclips.
that's a lot of people
I remember this episode really disturbed me as a kid, particularly because I liked Clara a lot, mostly because when she was introduced she was a dalek and I love daleks lmaooo