Rock vs. Classical - does it work? | conductor & comedian Rainer Hersch
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Rock meets Classic: Bat out of Hell or Stairway to Heaven? When Metallica, Led Zep, Elton John, The Scorpions team-up with orchestra, the world's funniest conductor, Rainer Hersch, decides.
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Bach and Roll? Since Deep Purple in 1969, this has been a thing. This should me a marriage made in heaven - behavioral scientists have shown that classical music and heavy metal fans are basically the same type of person. But is it? Groups who have tried include The Who, Led Zep, Metallica (S&M), Sting, Rick Wakeman, Yes, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Radiohead, The Moody Blues, King Crimson, Procul Harum, Kiss, Aerosmith, The Eagles, Elton John, The Scorpions and on and on. Whoever they are - they have got to overcome a basic problem: the band is MUUUUCH louder than the orchestra. SO does the band tone it down, or does the orchestra mike it up? Comedian and conductor, himself no stranger to some orchestral crossover, listens in.
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A trained conductor and pianist, British stand-up comedian Rainer Hersch ("Victor Borge for a new generation" The Times) has performed on every comedy stage in the UK and in more than thirty countries across the world. He is responsible for RUclips hits such as "Orchestra plays Microsoft Windows™ - the waltz" • Funny! Orchestra plays... to "The Funniest Classical Orchestra Ever" • Funniest Classical Orc... and "CLASSICAL SOPRANO surprises audience with STAR TREK" • CLASSICAL SOPRANO surp... - this is the guy that actually does on a concert stage what others just talk about. Find out what Rainer did next bit.ly/1hGR52j Rainer and his Orkestra are on tour in Autumn 2020 www.rainerhers...
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The Rainer Hersch orkestra is my favorite Heavy metal band
Haha. Thanks!
That's why I love Nightwish (symphonic metal) so much (especially the latest album Human Nature). Also the Dutch Metropole Orchestra did collaborations with metal bands like Epica and Within Temptation. Those concerts were the best. It is so epic!!!!! Classic meets metal 😍😍
Metal was partially birthed around classical. Black Sabbath (the song) was inspired by Mars, the Bringer of War by Gustav Holst.
Yup. If both sides get it right - ‘epic’ is the word.
Recommending: Amarth featuring Apocalyptica (strings) Live for the Kill. Viking metal with contemporary string interlude.
Yep, 'The Greatest Show on Earth' by Nightwish, no electic guitars until just after 5 min have passed! With the added wonder of Cresc. and P.P.
As my youngest once put it Classical music with claws.
I love both rock and classic.
Musicians who are open and really love music in general, can play others' pieces quite well.
Also, heavy metal bands can play so that it touches heart. Yep, and the singers have a bit scratchy voice :)
You know, a rock voice can have more character. Thanks for watching.
"Rock meets Classical" success story: Trans-Siberian Orchestra.
There is a whole metal genre of Symphonic metal that you didn't even touch upon. Nightwish, Within temptation, Epica, and so many more. They have truly blended the two genres into a beautiful sound. You should check out songs by them to see how it's progressed since then.
Yup - sorry about skipping but there is just too much music and too little time. Thanks for the comment, which will draw attention to some of the other GREAT stuff there is out there.
I think the bands that pull it off the best are the ones with classically trained singers, like the ones you mentioned here. Seeing Epica's lead singer belt it out on stage, with an orchestra, in a corset, was so amazing!!
@@LM-wz9yw they came to NY earlier this year but I couldn't go....next time. I can imagine how Simone sounded live.
Scorpions with Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra is still one of my favourite mashup ever! The balance depends on the arrangement & song selection, Christian Kolonovits did a great job with it!
Man I love Jon Lord!
He was a pioneer along with Keith Emerson!
Cheers, great Reiner man ☺️
Yeah, RIP Jon Lord. ELP - those guys could really play their instruments. Amazing what they got up to.
That thumbnail is hilarious! U r awesome!
Great. Thanks for watching.
It sooooo works!!! I love the roller coaster ride it takes you on. So much emotion through orchestra and power through rock. GREAT COMBO...take that sliced bread! 🎻🙌🎸
That’s fab. Appreciate the comments.
I do love my fair dose of strings and brass in my pop and rock music, as well as drum kits and bass guitars in my classical music. Seriously I genuinely enjoy that, it's not a joke.
Pink FLoyd "Atom Heart Mother" 1970
6:42 That must be that Woodstock place mum and dad are always talking about.
Day of the Tentacle? 🤣
@@sysadminfromhell2420 Nailed it! ;)
(speaking of which, amazing soundtrack!)
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Love your videos
Thanks
And of course don't forget the orchestra playing with Status Quo, the brass section goes wild when playing Whatever You Want! Really fun to watch and it sounds good to the ears too 😁🎸 (Night of the Proms)
If you want a great example of metal + classical, then check out King by Fleshgod Apocalypse. Absolutely incredible album,
Will check it out.
YESSS!!! Did you check it yet, Rainer? I’m so curious about what you think. Personally, I think they are absolute geniuses! ☺️
The L.S.O. Played rock music years ago. Absolutely wonderful to hear rock music with a full orchestra.
I am always shocked, when some Classical Orchestras try to "rock". I had to listen to a famous orchestra struggling hard with the offbeats in the "Smoke on the Water" Riff. The Conductor Dude had simply no Idea, what he was doing.
David Garrett fiddles "smells like teen spirit" and it sounds horrible. I imagine poor Kurt spinning in his grave. But even worse is Garretts version of "we will rock you", where he plays the melody, that unfortunately consists mainly of three notes. And it goes like "da-didi-da-di-didi-da-didi-da-di-didi-da-didi-da-di didi diii (the 3. note) da- da-di-dada. His "Rock" show is all posing, no feeling, no rock. ---- But I like his classical playing. He is a great musician, but his Rock show is just about making money. But it works. Concert Halls and Arenas are sold out when he does his thing. So he may do it, and people may enjoy it - but I keep away as far away as I can.
There are examples, where Rock and Orchestra go together really beautiful - but this means that both sides respect each other and know what they are doing. It is not ok for classical musicians to think "I can do rock because it is a primitive kind of music". And it is not ok, to abuse classical music by picking out some easy parts and put some drums behind them. And making money out of it is no excuse for bad music.
I agree with all of that. Thanks for the comment.
I don’t like off beat hardly at all and I don’t know any musicians who can constantly do both and still do both well.
Rock music really doesn’t make me want to feel the things rock is trying to communicate.
Mixing rock and traditional metering just sounds like a joke.
That's really great. Cool stuff.
Thank you! Cheers!
@@RainerHerschRUclips I'm a singer in a choir in my home town and I play the trumpet. And I'm into classical music. I'd always swap rock music for classical. Nevertheless, I listen to many different styles of music. It's depending on my mood. And I'm a listener with a knack for details.
Meat loaf with the MSO, I love the recording of the show
Some recent examples from the last decade also include Doom and Final Fantasy. Video game music has been working more with these blendings.
Now that's true. Classic FM in the UK had video game music in their top 20 for a year. It was a bit of a fix because it's not really what Classic FM's audience is in to. But plenty of people are.
Fantastic. Especially love the Corona version of Black Sabbath
I'm sure you haven't missed Jon Lords later years... gives a hint to why they managed to make it work :)
I can also recommend the wonderful weird project by Roger Glover "The buttefly ball and the grasshoppers feast" Rock meets Opera.
RIP Jon Lord. So much great stuff, so little time. One of his last projects was re-recording Concerto for Group and Orchestra. It was released after his death but he heard the final mix. Rock meets Opera - now that may be another vid...
Hilltop Hoods - Ghost (restrung)
"This is the sound of an orchestra"
Really missed a trick playing flight of the bumblebee
A correction but Rick Wakeman's studio album of Six Wives of Henry the Eighth doesn't use an orchestra (but does use a Mellotron to provide orchestral sounds along with the various synths and keyboards). However, his recording of Journey To The Center Of The Earth (recorded live with orchestra and choir) does. I love the mix of rock band and orchestra which has been happening a lot lately. In fact, I think a lot of symphony orchestras would pull in a lot of people who would otherwise stay away if they began to incorporate rock music into their repertoire. Songs like ELP's Tarkus and Emerson's Piano Concerto have been successfully performed by symphony orchestras. Other prog music like Yes' Close To The Edge and others would sound fantastic in a similar setting.
Haha the Eurovision reference
Haha. Bracing myself for the Estonian hate mail.
@@RainerHerschRUclips oh no
Epica - retrospect consert, Metal + Classical made a perfect performance together.
Best Example: Within Temptation - Black Symphony
Best “musical” combination of Band & Orchestra would be to use Radiohead.
In all honesty we never know what these composers would have used had they had electricity and these instruments then. a big reason they theorize the saxophone wasn't really introduced into the orchestra is because how late it was produced in time. compared to say when Haydn who helped form orchestra setup was alive. and when the clarinet was invented it was lucky to be introduced into the orchestra. imagine if Mozart never took interest in clarinet and orchestra and never composed his famous concerto
And Mozart Clarinet Quintet. Very interesting ideas. Thanks.
@@RainerHerschRUclips np. music is a passion the general public shares. as it was long ago. these composers themselves experimented at times with random instruments of their time. look at leopold mozart's toy symphony. idk if you've worked with that one. it's not too popular. but I feel you could make it oh so so more funny than what it is!
Where do rock/pop songs based on classical tunes fit in? Such as Lovers Concerto by The Toys and Joy by Apollo 100?
Have heard Orcestra’s with Iron Maiden.
Also, ELO used Orcestra instruments quite a lot.
Try Ne Obliviscaris. An absolutely incredible group from Melbourne I discovered a couple years ago. Very much death metal but even more classical than say Apocalyptica or Nightwish. I think they're the absolute pinnacle of symphonic metal.
The song Forget Not is simply a work of art.
Would it be possible to say that Björk kinda mixed classical with rock sometimes? Well, not to the point of bringing an orchestra and a rock band, but in Jóga for example, we can kinda see the mix.
Like Björk. Lot of orchestral strings in there.
Ahhhhh! Metallica with Saint Francisco's Symphonic Orchestra comes to mind 😎
imagine if Paganini had access to a rock band...
Apocalyptica makes it work...excellently.
Wonder what would happen if say"Charlie Daniel's band and Hershal"s orchestra played with someone like Flatts &Scruggs
Would be magic. But sounds expensive :-)
A great example is the Album A Classic Case with the London Symphony Orchestra and Ian Anderson performing the music of Jethro Tull. A good example of a really bad attempt is an album in which a classical orchestra attempts to perform Dark Side of the Moon. I do not recall which orchestra nor do I recall the title of the album. There have been subsequent attempts that were quite good. It works out both ways.
Thanks for this - v interesting.
Peter and the wolf 💖
Henry VIII still maintained the pretension that the Kings of England were also the rightful Kings of France. They appear in his royal coat of arms.
lol didn't expect to see metallica s&m here
"Days of future passed" by the Moody Blues was written originally for orchestra and band, not because it became fashionable.
Yup. Moody Blues were the absolute first. But it was just single tracks to begin with. Deep Purple did the first big collaboration.
LSO Did Tommy, with various artists, including Elton John.
Yeah, it’s a good one. It’s on RUclips. Have a search.
Love the Background-Song by Trans-Siberian Orchestra, best example for rock meets classic :-)
Yes, it’s great.
Metallica's S&M albums are utter perfection!
like snarky Puppy with metropole nice combo :) more jazz tough
What's with a rock band vs. a large pipe organ, playing tutti? ;D
Now that might work...
IN this case look at Epica" cry for the moon ".
Rainer, please do a Nightwish special. I would predict that many of your fans will be amazed and find a genre they never thought they would like. Particularly the bands current line up, with Floor as lead singer... she's spellbinding.
Boring 4/4 time signature... I don't bloody think so ;)
What's the name of the song at 6:48? Please
No yngwie malmsteen? :(
He is great. But not a band.
@@RainerHerschRUclips great Guitarist
Please, why nothing on Jeff Wayne's Musical Version of The War of the Worlds, It worked with this.
Come on it had Justin Hayward, David Essex, Chris Thompson and Phil Lynott in the cast.
and not all of it was in 4:4
Sorry. Too much music, too little time.
You mean like, Nightwish, Blind Guardian, Trans Siberian Orchestra(with Metallica), and Gloryhammer?
Trans-Siberian Orchestra with Metallica? When did that happen?
I'll love Barock music. Let's jam with Corelli.
One of the very first tracks I got into was Apollo 100 - Joy Jesu, (Joy of Man's Desiring). It's on RUclips. Mixes Bach and Rock - well, disco.
Der Ring des Nibelungen: 5:00 we'll see about that!!!!!!!!
The biggest difference between rock and classical is that there is much more dynamic range in classical. By dynamic range, I mean the difference in volume from the quiet bits to the loud bits.
And heavy metal seems to me to be always loud all the time: isn't that the point? Getting a balance between the group and the orchestra means that one or other will need to move out of their usual way of using dynamic range
There are exceptions to the
Hmm yeah - get this. However, there are some famous examples of ‘not-loud rock’: ‘A Whiter Shade of Pale’ and, yes, ‘Stairway to Heaven - at least at the start :-)
Check out BT’s Electronic Opus, techno with a live orchestra.
Will do
@Rainer Hersch Fan Channel I think you will like it.
I'd like to suggest checking out the band *Haggard*.
Symphonic Metal is an established sub-genre, so, yeah, it works. Therion is a good example.
Yes The Yeng And The Yang
I Get It 😁
nightwish
Little surprised you didn't delve into the obvious similarities between metal and classical music, structurally. Classical music is rife with tempo and time changes, as is most decent metal. Yngwe Malmsteen and many other significant metal musicians cite the Classical masters as their influences. Many of the best Metal singers are classically trained in Opera... would have liked to hear your take on some of those cross over similarities.
You forgot Animals As Leaders
I think Classical is heavier than Heavy Metal. Heaviest music.
We better get out the scales. Geddit? Music...scales. Thank you, I'm here all week.
Kiss Did it
What about the Trans-Siberian Orchestra?
Frank zappa
Screw rock. Go metal!
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Heck Yeah it works, after all Classical music is Heavy Metal without electricity \m/ \m/
Now that is a great analogy. Thanks.
I like that one... I'll have to remember to use it!
ELO (Electric Light Orchestra) incorporated a full orchestra into their music all the time. I know they aren't hard rock, but still rock nonetheless
Renee Pallo oh yes. Great group
@@pauljohn5554 Absolutely agree.
God I love ELO I can never get enough
I was surprised he said nothing about ELO....I've been a fan since the 1970s : )
Thank you! I'm glad I wasn't the only one wondering why they weren't mentioned.
I don't know much about todays rock mixing with classical but I do know I saw Weird Al's "Stings Attached" tour live where he played with an orchestra and it was top notch entertaining.
I learned the combination of both styles via Epic Symphony Rock
I'm sure "Classic rocks meat" would be an epic cross-over.
This is it, a perfect advise for rock-classic lover👍
Glad you enjoyed it.
I like parts of Verdi and Beethoven for exactly the same reason I like certain Iron Maiden songs: they are up tempo and loud. As for a successful combination, it took me quite some effort to find Moody Blues' Question with orchestra, but it's absolutely worth it, because the strings really add atmosphere to the slower parts of the song, and the brass adds "umph" to the faster bits.
Good one. You are an example of the crossover crowd, who dig the big statements of Classical and Rock.
someone remember Eumir Deodato? With his version of Beethoven's piece ruled for all the summer of that year in earlier '70
As Usual Rainer ruled the screen! As usual very funny and interesting
I’ll look up Eumir Deodato. Thanks for the compliment!
If we're talking rock and orchestral, we must not forget Trans-Siberian Orchestra.
On a completely separate vein, I do wish you would make an appearance in the Northeast Florida region, good sir. I absolutely adore your presentation and delivery in your videos, but I suspect the energy is much more enjoyable in person.
Yes, so much good stuff out there, so little time. Would love to do Florida, Northwest or otherwise some day. Of course, it is all SOOO much better live :-)
So Mr. Hersch, were does the 2Cellos fit in you mashup?
2Cellos are great. Love their stuff. But they are not a rock band but- they come at it from the classical direction. Don’t think you will catch them diving into an empty swimming pool OD’ing on crystal meth.
Switch off any effect pedal of an electric guitar within a rock band and you're left with something really pathetic.
Another difference between rock and classical.
Yeah - that's good. But technology is OK, if it helps to create something that moves people.
@@RainerHerschRUclips Oh absolutely!
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You mentioned Bat Out of Hell. Steinman when he originaly wrote the music and lyrics for that he evisioned it with an orchestral sound. So when in 2004 Meat Loaf was touring Austrailia he performed with it the Melborourne Symphony.
S&M Metallica, Trans Siberian Orchestra, KISS Symphony, Epica with Dutch Symphonic Orchestra and Nightwish. They all make it work.
You should try to listen to the band “Red”. They definitely do a good job with blending the rock music and the classical music together. Each song is composed based on the individual song. The conductor does not listen to the singing of the song until after the work has been added in to the mix.
Not exacly this video's topic but there is the genre of neoclassical metal, when classical pieces are played in metal setup. I would love to hear Reiner's opinion on it.
I’ve been to Moody Blues concerts. I love that they have an orchestra playing with them. They are not anywhere near like the rock band in your video.
Hey, I loved ELO and Moody Blues - Nights in White Satin, but I get your point about the structural clash.☮️
Moody Blues actually got in there before Deep Purple. But DP were the first ones to create a rock/classic ‘experience’.
In another video you talk about misheard lyrics. When I first heard that famous Moody Blues piece, I wonder why the knights were wearing white satin. All sorts of fantasies about chivalry and cross dressing...
I love these combos - like opera & rap (The Rapsody Feat. Warren G & Sissel - Prince Igor or The Rapsody feat. LL Cool J - Dear Mallika ).
Opera and Rap - now that sounds like another video...
You sir, are such a blessing.
Hey thanks. And thanks for tuning in.
How would it go with the biggest orchestra in the world playing something of RAMMSTIEN With RAMMSTIEN 😁😁😁😁😁👍😉 i.e DU HAAST 😁😁😁😁😁👍😉 I don't think anything is more contravertial ( excuse spelling ) than that. 😯🤔🙄😁
Sorry, it wasn't Deep Purple in '69. The first were the Moody Blues in 1967 on there concept album "Days of Future Passed". Yes, it was experimental (only the second stereo record ever released). Deram Records wanted to promote the 'new' stereo LP and the moodies with the London Festival Orchestra obliged. Often overlooked, the LP is now considered an absolute classic and one of the first examples of progressive rock. Don't just take my word for it, there are plenty of clips here on YT. Have a listen, you might be surprised.
I certanly don't belong into that group of people.
I like calssic, I like Pop, EDM, Hip Hop etc. but I don't like Rock, Metal etc.
(I also don't like Jazz).
Ok, what about 'All The Works Of Nature Which Adorn the World'? This is an eight part suite of Classical music writen by a Symphonic Metal group called Nightwish... They blur the lines of genre on occasions. I think Symphonic Metal is the 1812 or the Royal fireworks for the modern generation.
I don't get why balance is an issue. A harp is much more quiet than trumpets, but it isn't a reason to ditch harp anyway. The composition itself should be balanced and interesting. The same goes about common time. It's not more common in metal than in classical. Rhythmic diversity? Check. So, there's no issues at all. Rock on. And erm... classical on? Baroque on? I need coffee.
While it's OK to laugh at Sabbath's War Pgs lyrics, you probably don't realise that it was one of the first anti-Vietnam War songs. Sabs have always had a social conscience.
German Rock/Metal/Folk Band In Extremo also use a Harp and some pipes. It's all a thing of balance
Rock+classical=Rockladssical
I have always wondered what to call it :-)
@@RainerHerschRUclips I'd call it, "Bach & Roll", dude!
Check Rage - Lingua Mortis and Rage - XIII for maximun epicness.