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The Athletic's David Ornstein and The Daily Mail's Riath Al-Samarrai discuss all things England, including the Ollie Watkins' stunning last minute goal
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Kobbie Mainoo was MotM against a City midfield comprising Rodri, De Bruyne, Foden and Bernado Silva in United’s FA Cup final victory against City. He will not be fazed by facing Rodri again on Sunday. The kid’s a generational talent.
I was a big fan of Jack Wilshere when he was young, injuries eventually took him down a few levels. I rate this version of Mainoo higher than prime Jack Wilshere. Hopefully, Mainoo won't get over played at such a young age.
That's true ..rice also support kobbie midfield 🔥🔥..it's coming home
@@really8930 this aged well 😊
@@taylortee8474 It’s aging beautifully. Seens you didn’t watch the game. But Mainoo was not fazed by Rodri. But he was “fazed”… by his own goalkeeper who, presumably on manager’s instructions kept launching the ball long over the heads of his midfield. So, cutting Mainoo out of the game in an “on the ball” sense.
Ollie Watkins is the dream personified. Football is great.
4-1 Spain win
Have a feeling your gonna be in a rush to delete this comment Sunday evening
Huh? Hell-no england-2 spain-1😅😜🤪
Toney works best playing with 2 upfront, layoffs assists. Watkins is the man to run in space, England fans known this since day 1 of euros and it has been frustrating to see a manager hold such a talent back. Kane is out of form and slow. Outside of form of strikers it is a tactical flaw to play Kobbie, Foden link up play with a striker like Kane who stands still. Watkins would link up well with Foden which is key to win the Euros.
Mate Kane is one of the best strikers in the world
@@chrisnurse1985that’s because he gets good service….and drops into a number 10 then goes to the box to pick up the scraps. Need to watch him play more……
All of that criticism has now disappeared from England 🏴 in group stage matches it wasn’t going well but tonight we have literally turned that around back to back final Spain 🇪🇸 awaits on Sunday in Berlin COME ON ENGLAND 🏴
Cinderella run lmao, England Avoided everyone good
Don’t thru always avoid top teams ? If they were on other bracket no way they make it to quarters
@@goat6262Not our fault France couldn't top their group.
@@goat6262 exactly HOW FAR WOULD THEY HAVE GOT IN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRAW LOST TO SPAIN GERMAY PORTUGAL OR FRACE .
@@goat6262swiss beat the champions Italy we beat them. Then everyone was saying Nethlands deserve to beat us and will. But that never happened they got dominated for most of the game. We will see if Spain dominates. I can see us beating them and bringing it home.
The thing with being a late substitute is that you realize that if you get a chance - take it!
Well said 👍🏻
ASTON VILLA HERO 🏴🏴🏴
Finally freed Watkins….
Been calling for it all week.
England hero. No matter who does it for what team where all United. As a West Ham fan I would love to see Bowen bring it home. Their is some basis but overall I don't care as long as it comes home this year.
I would rather an Aston Villa hero than Spanish villa hero.
Spain are clearly favorites
They've played the better football, but when talking about who is the stronger team on paper it's still England.
@@karl343 Yeah, higher ranked by FIFA, the England squad is estimated to be almost twice the cost of the Spain squad, but Spain are the form team. Might be tighter than some are predicting.
@@davelister2961 You can't price team spirit
@davelister2961 It's a final, a 50/50 game that could go either way. Spain plays some great stuff, but England have world class players who can score out of nothing. We have seen that throughout the tournament.
It's coming home 🏡. I just believe where growing in this tournament where never down and out. Where showing some fighting spirit. Can't wait to shut the haters up.
At this point let's give England the chance, yes they can win it now bizarre ending to the Euro's
i agree. even though i want them to lose.
Yes, a defender has “licence” to go for the ball. But if he misses the ball and wildly strikes the other player with tremendous force, it is reckless, dangerous play - and a foul all day long.
Keep on believing!! - sincerely, a Greek 2004 Euro witness
A very forgettable side, Greece 2004.
What do you mean Greece was 150 to 1 to win it. They literally smashed it out the park and was brilliant. I can't hate on Greece.
Greece were the worse team to win the Euros in 2004,and ruined its rep.!😂
@@MrSinclairnLike Chelsea ruined the champions league rep?
@@MrSinclairn they still did the unthinkable you gotta respect that. Regardless of how they won they still won
England often triumphs in the late minutes of matches. Dangerous time for their opponent
They got an easy bracket
@@Jesusisyhvh1yeah they said we will lose against the swiss now Nethlands. Now all off a sudden their average teams. Swiss knock Italy out the champions last Euros. Say what you want but it will be a tough finals.
@@Jesusisyhvh1cope Jesus
@@scottbarnard4659Swiss are a very good side, as well as the Dutch. The only easier game we had was Slovakia and even then we struggled. They just hate us🏴
@@scottbarnard4659England beat Italy twice in the qualifiers too
Studs up follow through not a pen same people calling a nail on your toe offside bellends
Yep
If by the rules that wasn’t a penalty then the rules need changing, you don’t get a license to do whatever you want just because someone is shooting, of course it’s a free kick anywhere else on the pitch.
Only people that aren't familiar with Ollie are surprised! The guy scores goals like that all season long in the EPL!
What's with the Hooray Henry?
England aren't always pretty to watch, sometimes make mistakes, but are very very hard to beat. 60-40 Spain though.
(PS it was a penalty. A foul is a foul, inside or outside the box. And anyway, when do we ever get a break?)
Never I guess..
Anyone notice how that all but one of the seven teams England have played to reach the Euros 2024 final begin with the letter S?….just saying.
Kane couldn't even control the ball when it came to him and therefore handed possession to the Dutch. England playing with 10 men.
I agree kane hasnt been looking good but you just remember his past hes a dangerous assassin the team have played poorly but we in the final and just starting to play well lets give kane 45 and see😅😅😅😅
Great goal for Watkins don't forget the through ball from plamer
Its a very serious question to start Watkins over Kane similar to Geoff Hurst over Jimmy Greaves.
How about kane and Watkins both start ?
Can't see Bellingham or Foden being dropped. The problem is that Kane doesn't work with those players.
If they are going to be Spain they have to tactically surprised them after playing the same attack for the past 6 games
@@realtalk8665@realtalk8665 Because Foden doesn't play with the team, he wants to shoot at a goal. If Foden was Palmer today, he wouldn't pass to Walkin; instead, he would aim at the goal.
@@realtalk8665yes exactly, and probably why Southgate has saved Watkins until now.
Kane is done end of !!!!!! 👍🏴
England has to stay in the game until substitution, then Spain will have no answer to the quality of England' sub. Having said that, if the same starting 11 of England starts again, it will only be nominated by Spain throghout. If it goes to penalty kicks, England win.
The English should consider two things: First, they should look at how Germany got Spain into trouble, and second, they should outbid the Spanish when it comes to bribes for a referee.
why do people still buy newspapapers ?
What's a newspaper?
It’s mostly just old people
Apparently people buy them after their night shifts to read on bus on way home 🏡 😂
they are gossip magazines at best
Did this guys say "Lamal is f**ing like the next global superstar" ?
Messi breast fed him super milk
Win at all costs. Reminds me of those boring German teams of the 80s and 90s.
NO SIMPLE ANSWER. Not how brilliant they have been. Runners up twice in a row SPAIN CHAMPIONS.
England journey to the final is like Portugal's journey to the final in 2016 somehow. who knows maybe they are gonna win it on Sunday
In a one off game anything can happen seen it all before it will be like a prem game
England are massive favorites, a team full of superstars from the best league in the world.
Come on your reds
the final… it’s 1-0, either way… i dont see a highscoring game..i dont think it will drag into extra time or penalties…
Sorry but very few in the press was calling for Watkins 😮😂 the pecking order was Kane, Toni, then perhaps Ollie. Now what experts - who should start in the final? Don’t tell me :Kane …. Oh well 🤷♂️
Jane is a. Spent force
3421, Shaw, Stones, Walker~ Gordon, Rice, Mainoo, Saka~ Foden, Bellingham~Watkins. Subs Kane (Watkins), Guehi (Shaw), Palmer (Bellingham or Foden), TAA (Gordon off~ Saka switches to LWB)
I’d be a little worried about Shaw & Gordon defending against Yamal down that side, but I do feel we need to see Gordon in this game as we’ll be playing more on the counter. The Southgate in me says start Guehi & Shaw and bring Gordon off the bench
@@gustoaudio8711 I think if we start Shaw, then it would be a big risk asking him to match Yamal as a LWB, we need a speed merchant on the left.
Might b onto something englands play is making these teams tired and if we bring on quality later in the game could get same effect as on the dutch😅😅😅
Spain's players are not from another planet. Yes they have been by far the best team but has any other team looked good against England. There is a reason for that.
You still didn't come across an opponent as formidable as spain in all honesty beating Germany and France is no easy tasks
Laying it on a bit thick, on our knee's to him, do me a favour, he's had 3 really good chances to lift a trophy and been out smarted and classed by better managers in the opposite dug-out , and it was one or two idiots that threw plastic at him, and the criticism has been fair by most.
England should start playing with 2 forwards Kane + Watkins or Kane + Toney or Watkins + Toney
Shameful game, corrupted to the bones...The pressure was on the referee because of its past regarding match fixing to which UEFA should have never had selected this referee as he was under pressure and at the end we could see with Saka ghost foul hand ball leading to the goal to which VAR did not disallow and was silent and the penalty was a disgrace .Thanks God for Spain the truth being at the end a superior skilful team who will save Football from this travesty of football and corrupt refereeing .
England and Southgate should play Watkins upfront because we need runs in behind because Spain will have possession and when we get it will need to play balls in behind..but difficult to leave kane out.
stone wall penalty
subs perfect all tournament, winning penalties and showing heart, proud of england and praise for southgate, but need to progress sooner rather then later, need to win something asap
The defender foot is in a unnatural position that is why its a penalty.
Ahh.. Gary Neville invents a theory that defenders have licence to make challenges like that in the penalty box, although nowhere else on the football field, and Riath goes with Neville's vast refereeing experience. I've seen far softer penalties than that. The defender could have got his body in the way of the shot, instead he chose to dangle out a leg, studs up How many penalties have been given away by players dangling out a leg?
CMON ENGLAND 🏴
What did you say, sack Southgate mid tournament and drop Kane?🤔
I know they haven't got a clue
2023: Euro u21 Final England 1 Spain 0 ... Cole Palmer assist for Curtis Jones.
Palmer to do it again on Sunday!!!
Dream . You all are in for a nightmare
@@curtischarles5299 normally I'd agree because England throw things away but the Spanish as a people are generally lazy cowards so we may stand a chance
@@curtischarles5299Being pretty wins no awards, we'll see whats up. Bellinghams gona make you cry again lad
@@devilsolution9781 Bellingham couldn't even make Netherlands cry 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂..boy go and sleep
Calling someone boy when you are writing in emojis….
Can England win. In hindsight No. With insight. No.
With back to basics footballing education and behind closed door study. ABSOLUTELY ❤
It's not brave to sub your striker. They are always subbed because they have to cover a lot of ground.
Totally agree…. It’s standard. If a manager isn’t doing that then there an issue.
Finally Watkins Freed…. Been calling for this all week.!
Kane covered ground? Oh that’s right he has been running back more than he runs forward. He should have been benched. If they want a chance against Spain, they need to have Ollie starting.
Yes the defender has to try and block the ball but he nearly took Kanes foot off. Anywhere else on the pitch it’s a foul please get Riaf the Fanny boy off. These journalists are such melts. No suprise he writes for the Daily Mail. Negative negative negative
Yes, clear foul.
Kane fouled him...
nearly "took his foot off" what a drama queen you are, he hardly touched him
The hooter on Ornstein. my god haha
Weird comment. This is footy chat.
Of course we can
Southgate was right for always put a trust on senior players and bring on some super subs to win the game. The lineup would be the same on Sunday. Harry Kane will lead the team.
Yes
For English, press 1. For Spanish, press 2. That tells you what the score will be :)
Southgate got criticised because he deserved to be criticised at the time. Spain has been brilliant all the way through. England have spirit, passion and world-class players. When England play to their full potential, they take some beating. Foden shower glimpses of what he does for Man City. I think Watkins offers you a bigger threat than Kane, now. Kane has changed his game -- he plays like a defensive playmaker. Watkins stay up front -- where he's supposed to be.
Kane’s been playing like that for years…..at spurs he relied on son to do the running. He’s been dropping in to the 10 slot then running into the box late expecting a pass to the 8. He does that at Munich too.
The problem is that Jude basically plays a false 9 at Madrid with utilizing the same method….most of his goals have come from late runs into the box.
They need to bench him and play toney or Ollie. They both make runs to stretch the lines and stay up top. This also goes for the wing forwards too. They don’t make enough runs. It’s the same reason that TAA cannot flourish in midfield creatively because the space needed to play darts isn’t there.
Spain is playing very well in all 1/3s. Englands been shaky at best even when they have possession because of all the sideway passing.
Harry gave us some great years ! But he is older tired < and soar ! Sit him and start watkins or palmer < maybe harry comes off the bench ** No Harm done !🏴🏴🏴🏴
Lets give kane 45 and see and i think one will finally go in for foden in this final😅😜🤪
Thing is England fans were right wasn’t they, they’ve been saying put the subs on for earlier, cuz he takes to long to put them on put them on early what you know Southgate a footballing genius. 😂
England will get that trophy 😊
🏆 Name one the cup is....
... drum roll 🥁..
. . ENGLAND!! 🤓🇬🇧
Sorry but very few in the press was calling for Watkins 😮😂 the pecking order was Kane, Toni, then perhaps Ollie. Now what experts - who should start in the final? Don’t tell me :Kane …. Oh well 🤷♂️ So British - holding on to the past to try to justify today 🙄 Kane has scored so many goals - in the past. It is now that matters and he hasn’t delivered the whole competition and he has had many many more game time that alternatives. It’s is England’s weakness not strength I am sorry to say
NO WAY PEDRO AS THEY SAID IN SPAIN
Maybe Gareth has been keeping an eye on SA rugby union... Are his subs his "bomb squad"😅
Harry kane who joint top goalscorer at the euros
Kane is captain u don't drop captain he is the day in day out go between in camp
Won't be surprised if this is ends up being like the 2012 Euro Final (Spain 4-0 Italy)
It won’t because England have a better team than spain. They have better players but Spain play better football because of tiki taka style, other than that it’s 50/50
@@SamLewis-ey1cxbetter players doesn’t mean a better team. You can have average players that play great as a team
@@SamLewis-ey1cxhow can the inferior players play better football than the superior players, just take a minute to think about what you just wrote.
that won't happen England are a much better side then that Italy team and they will beat Spain, someway somehow they will find a way. its written in the stars their name is on that trophy this year.
@@ebukaezenduka1007 How can you say that England has better players than Spain seeing how they played the tournament? Take a minute to think about what you just wrote.
England is 100% gonna win England players no exactly how much they need it there is no doubt in losing I’m fully confident that they know there gonna play there hearts out
England played well first half. I believe a penalty , studs up could have broken his shin but kane milked it. Great winner, fantastic strike. Spain favorites but england have a chance if they play with intensity like the germans did
Depends if they get an easily. Influenced ref, and Jane does his dying swan impression
Yes they can everyone that says they have no chance dosnt know nothing about football
I hope Spain wins but England can win it to
😊😊,, yous will see on sunday,, why? spain,, on sunday,, are,, favourite,, as they won,, it,, 3/ times and want a new record, to,, win,, it,, 4/ times viva,, espania,, 😊😊😊
Beginning to look like England are going to luck their way to glory. Could be another Greece 2004 or Portugal 2016 again. Spain better watch out.
Yeah whatever. England have grown into the competition. Everyone isn't putting respect on are oppenants. Swiss beat the champions Italy. We beat the swiss, then Nethlands was playing so great but we dominated them. Say what you want. France was awful this tournament because Mbappe nose lol. Either way we have deserved to be in the finals. We will beat Spain and everyone will eat their words.
England has the better team on paper, they have better players than Spain it’s just Spain play better football because of the tiki taka style
Its doable with the correct team selection Kane is holding England back id leave him out but he wont !!!! 👍🏴🦊
Southgate is predictable, defensive and so boring but when he makes changes that’s what makes the team so dangerous
Life r simple, but human made it complicated. Doesn't matter how u win it, Juz win the trophy, a win is a win. History will only remember the victor. History won't remember those teams that thrash their opponents 6-1, 5-0, 6-0 but got knocked out in quarter final
Ornstein is just a posh boy who went to uni . And dad got him a job . Never had a clue 😂
Englands players are so good that they can play well below par and still make the final.
Spain should be very worried if England actually turn up this time....
If Spain are going to leave spaces, why ffs are we going to play slowcoach Kane? He can't run.
Bent penalty from a bent ref. Spain the first big team to play England in this tournament.
Rice is the only one who fouled Declan Rice
Yes we got by far better players
Short unswer: No
They got there despite Southgate. Subbing Kane off for Ollie is what literally everyone has wanted since day 1.
Stan and Ollie ^ --->
No
Just about perfect progression in terms of the quality of teams played. Each round the quality of the opposition has been a step-up. Slovakia, Switzerland, then Netherlands and next up, Spain.
Each time England have had an immense struggle. And each time they’ve found a way to win. With each game, England’s performances have improved. Every chance they will do the same again, this time against Spain. England to win the final, but after a titanic struggle.
can england beat spain? maybe if southgate has the fricking balls to bench harry kane.. then we might have a chance.. otherwise we have no hope of scoring.. because we need runners at their backline not harry kane who will drop deep and spain will just dominate possession and tear us apart at the back... every game harry kane has done and offered nothing, soon as tony or watkins had a chance we scored because they look to go past their man, not walk back towards our own half
Give it a effing rest ffs
England summed up, not impressive pretty dull to watch, but hard to beat, and we produce some great last minute winners
First half England played some good football
the better the teams have got the better weve looked, spains another hurdle
@@devilsolution9781 to far
Bench Kane then they can.
Don’t let Kane play final if England are to win the cup.
England will prevail 🏆
Tis written in stone ⚽
🤓🇬🇧
No. I made it easy for you.
Kobbie will give Rodri nightmares remembering how he bossed him in the FA cup final
Good point actually. Valid comment
The english media has no part in this victory. Yet now everyone is slapping their backs.
England fans will never change and smug
Smug? We’ve had generations of failure! We’re enjoying seeing the team get to where we should be
that penalty,, should never have been,, given,, as it wasn't,, a penalty,, as who? paid the v,a,r, official,, to,, say,, it,, was cheats,, as usual,, england,, heeeee heeee 😊😊😊
Terrible comparison to England's rugby world Cup victory.
NO
No chance
Man U wants him I guess 😂
With southgod hall of farmer coach anyghing is possible😅
If you break down this tournament southgate has got lucky. Hes a liability with his unbalanced teams
SouthGOAT ❤