And when they won a throw at the far right end of Spain and they threw it back to a player around midfield who passed it all the way to Pickford when the ball should have been around the penalty area in the first place and let the forwards deal with it At least there would always be a chance. Kane was nowhere. After 58 yrs this was a chance they should have grabbed by hook or by crook
I am Greek so i was watching the game with Greek commentators. And 5 minutes after England scored, the guy said, "Unbelievable..England are all back defending. It looks like for Southgate it is always the same. A draw is like a win for him.."
Spain won the final with rodri injured in the entire second half, arguably the best midfielder in Europe right now.....and Southgate couldn't try and make that count for England. Its a glaring lack of having a tactical mind
@@JurgenFlopa bang average side that won all seven games of the Euros, the first to do so. Spain might be average but what does that make the rest of their competition?
Rice was shackled by the “coaching” style of Southgate….Kane and Foden should have been replaced earlier in most of the group and knockout games ..Southgate’s too scared to be bold and try different combinations.
@@jon-f7u What best squad?! This is the delusion of English EPL fans. Nobody in England would have Ruiz ahead of Rice even though he has been levels above him in this tournament
Its a poor excuse. Every team has the same issues to deal with. Spain were missing Rodri for the second half and also no Pedri or Gavi. Imagine if we had our three main starters in midfield missing. You would definitely have noticed the change, but Spain played as if this was the midfield used all tournament.
The only people who 'lionise' are the press. Every English fan knows Southgate couldn't manage a whelk stall, despite the absolute treasures he has at his disposal.
Every English fan should appreciate what Southgate has done for England. Otherwise you are not much of a person. No compassion. No empathy. Pure Losers.
treasures? i don't see a romario , suarez, messi, brazilian ronaldo, rivaldo, cr7, van basten, , kluivert, roberto baggio, ,,, these are the players that make the difference, on top of that ENGLAND don't have 1 world class player at international level. this tournament has proven that. bellinhgam or foden at club level. international is harder again i would think.
Only Brexit fans disrespect their goat manager, I would never think a English team could reach back to back Euro finals. Spain is just miles better on every position except for Kane and Bellingham
As other have said he was purely relying on players to create moments and a lot of luck. There was no real strategy or tactics. Just throw on your best players even in the wrong positions and hope over 90 minutes they’ll win you the game and it sort of worked until he eventually met Spain who were too clever and organised to allow England to win through sheer luck.
You can say Southgate is a decent bloke as much as you like, he certainly kneels better than most. He is missing one fundamental asset, HE IS NOT A WINNER.
Kanes mobility is shocking it’s like playing with 10 men we can’t press with him upfront and by the time we make subs the rest of the team are gassing because they have been carrying him
@@sensibledriver933 I've posted the exact same thing 5 tournaments. I'm baffled why it's taken people so long to realise what an overrated lump kane really is
The spainish players are average but play brilliant together. Most of the teams they play for don't win the leagues including champions league. Tactics are huge and team spirit is massive.
Cos he was match fit during the domestic season, he was injured towards the end of it... Which is why we played the whole tournament with 10 men!!! Everyone could see he could barely stand up.. let alone RUN!! southgate played him because he knows it was probably kanes last tournament. That decision ultimately cost us the trophy.
@@larnx1692 Foden is a cog in a well oiled man city machine, Rodri should have been player of the season I don't know why Foden won it, But I'm pretty sure the media get paid to run PR for certain players. I think the prime example was Beckham, he was basically Ward-Prowse but prettier, he married a world famous pop singer the next thing you know he's one of the best player's in the world? Insanity. Giggs was a different level to Beckham but he's Welsh, if Giggs was English they'd have tried getting him a Ballon d'Or, they're already scheming on Bellinghams 🤣
@@michaeljennings4635he wasn't injured, stop defending him. He's been like this in every tournament he's been in. Hes an absolutely shocking footballer and should be no where near the international game. Bang average tap in merchant
Yep, and sick of the whole, he's our captain and record goalscorer. Rooney was an immense player once upon a time, should we have started him? Kane was a passenger all tournament and shouldn't have been near that starting XI last night.
@@JB-qm5wg we'd have won 8-0 every game if we dug up Dixie Dean and Jimmy Greaves and put them up top 😔 It doesn't make sense thinking about what Kane does at club level (or what he's done for England in the past) if he's not playing in the same system. Kane isn't dropping to play pacy wingers in and follow in late. He's dropping deep into a pointless passing clusterfuck with no movement or runs, and then not running forward himself to offer an option. Its funny. Southgate didn't pick players based on form for years, but when he does it's just picking players rather than a team with a system and clear style. Just like his slow to react subs policy, where he waited until the 975th minute to make a change, fans complained, he's suddenly pressured into finally making an early sub and it's the wrong one, and then he goes back to late subs hoping they can rescue the game when his primary "plan" fails as always. It's beyond incompetence. It almost looks deliberate. Maybe kids like Mainoo are only there as a perfectly placed scapegoat for when we fail. Maybe he was doing a Hollywood (when someone writes something bad): hoping the Asian bots would come out firing with their racism again so he'd be out of the spotlight and the blame could be placed elsewhere. He is 100% the problem with the national team.
@@JB-qm5wgEngland’s class system haunts even what supposed to be a meritocracy. From Shearer to Beckham, Rooney now Kane. The team “figurehead” is treated like a peerage/job for life.
Any other manager at the Euros would have started Palmer in every game. Can you imagine Gareth playing Nico and Yamal? No chance, he values physicality and industry.
Since ‘66 we’ve had top managers, top players and more money than any national football association. Yet we don’t win sh*t. Uruguay have 18… frickin 18 international trophies. 2 world cups, 2 Olympic golds and 15 copa americas. We’re nowhere near them never mind the heavyweights like Brazil, Argentina, Italy, Germany, Spain, France. We’re sh*te. Just accept it
One of England's best periods: No trophies Italy and Spain are far off from their glory days: Still wins a trophy They really are the England Hotspurs.
It is because of PL. Your PL was the heaven for those foreign best players in the world while English players was forced to be bench cleaner. What need to be changed is foreign players limit in PL. Maximum 5 foreign players as starter in PL will bring good for England than bad.
Players need to gel in on a system of play. Just imagine if 11 players play in different system and clubs how can they gel in on a short period in a tournament?
@@whiteknight-m4q No, no and no. Southgate is certainly incompetent but don't put all the blame on him because there are also players like Kane and Foden who have not lived up to their responsibilities. Bellingham played many times in a position that was not his and yet managed to do much more interesting things than Foden and Kane during this Euro.
@@LeonmadrilenoBellingham was a ghost every game he just had a lucky overhead go in, foden was having to press for Kane and had to play as an 8 with mainoo at the same time if you watched the games. Bellingham a few games ago lost the ball 17 times in the game, that’s worthy of never starting the rest of the tournament. He’s a brilliant player but the PR around him is stupid, don’t think I’ve seen a good 45 minutes from him the last 10 games
Nowhere to be seen when club or country need him. Goalscoring stats are so deceptive with certain players. English Soldado. Can only perform with no pressure mentally or physically. Every big moment he’s had, he’s bottled it. Show us all otherwise… What must the team be thinking and feeling when this guy is your captain
@MarcoDeJesus14 Henderson was always the true captain. Should of put kane in his place instead of giving him the arm band. Guy is weak 0 personality. At least you could hear Henderson screaming at people to do better always shouting, talking praising. Not the best footballer but a good leader.
Agree. Kane especially, selfishly playing with injuries and stifling England. Kane is the catalyst for this poor, negative play. Wasn't in the box, to slow, didn't close down.
It all comes back to Southgate as much as I agree with Kane and Walker being poor, the fact he can't see how bad Kane's been blows my mind, looks injured
@@SC..28they were all poor, Watkins came on and touched the ball 4 times in 35 minutes so yea he made a massive difference. Rice was awful, foden was awful, Bellingham was awful, yea kane was very poor but the defence and midfield couldn't pass the ball between them.
@nqobilengema2165 was it Southgate who left cucarella in acres of space last night because he was out of position? Was it Southgate who let the Croatians score 2 in 2018?
@@PrinceMishkin99999 worthy? Nah mate Spain are out of their opponents league. Spain are a top team, they’re opponents however, are a complete lost cause.
No they weren’t. They had a good period when they scored, but apart from that it was 50/50. England Invited too much pressure in the end as well and didn’t go for it.
@@jgunner94 Are you serious? With 70% possession and 2 great chances to go 2-0 up before England registered their 1st shot on target for the 2nd half (and 2nd of the game up to that point) do you really think it was 50/50? I`m curious, what is "domination" in your standards if 70% possession is not "dominant" enough... 90%, 99.9% maybe?
Sometimes Jim says the most stupid things! WTF has Southgate being polite after a loss have to do with his managerial ability or lack of it? If you want to know how good people think Gareth is as a manager, just ask them if they would be happy to see him as the manager of the club side that they support. I'm pretty confident the majority would say no!
The point was that all tournament we looked average and defensive. Kane was off the pace and we couldn’t counter attack. Every time he came off, we looked better. Every time Palmer came on, we played better. Walker was just quick and offered no final product in every game, yet apparently Trippier who plays for Newcastle, is the next choice over Trent Arnold, who’s been first choice right back for the only team to consistently challenge City most seasons. He’s also one of the best crosses in the world and a dead ball specialist. Gareth constantly picks a team that’s struggled and only changes to a more attacking team, when we’re in trouble. Why keep choosing the same team and expect a different result. It’s time for younger players to be given a chance.
Pickford made some good saves but why was he constantly lumping it long to the Spanish defence while we had 9 men playing so deep and HK with lead slippers on.
Because Spain were maintaining their high press throughout the game making it impossible for England to play out, however I do agree there were numerous ocassions we were going long with minimal to no pressure on the ball which is inexcusable.
I’m fed up with the media always giving Kane the excuse that he must be injured because of how poor he plays. Kane in theory injured in every cup final he’s ever played if you listen to the media.
Being injured isn't an excuse!! Its a disgrace... he is injured!! Which is why he could hardly stand up... he done his back in towards the end of the domestic season. He shouldn't of been playing. We played the whole tournament with 10 men!! And STILL made the final!! If we had 11 fully fit players and palmer was given more than 20mins... we could of won it
Spot on, I'd have loved to see Trent playing right back marauding into midfield with his passing ability. Walkers best days are behind him it's just a pity Southgate doesn't have the football acumen to realise it. I wish him well for the future but not as an England manager.
Maybe if those in front of him did their job then he wouldn't be left 1v1. Spain literally played 2 passes to get through England's entire midfield in the build up to Spain's winner.....
@@Viewsonic61 If you're going with a flat back 3, Trent should have started on the right as a wing back. Maybe not as a starter, but bring him on with a half hour to go. His passing ability is second to none. Instead he starts him as a midfielder and he gets trashed.
So Simon Jordan bashes Ole for not being good enough and being tactically inept to get Utd to win trophies when going into several semi/finals. But praises Southgate for making it into semis and finals despite not winning anything?
The reason these English players look good playing for their clubs is because they are playing with foreign player who are technically better than they are so it makes them look good. Therefore when playing for England they are exposed for their limited abilities individually and as a team
@commonsensemustprevail No it isn't, it's anti-English nonsense. Successful clubs don't carry deadweight for long, if the players are consistently starting and performing for the likes of Man City etc it's because they're top players.
Or you could argue that when they play for England they are exposed to a coach who is tactically limited, does not give them the freedom or confidence to attack, plays a few of them out of position, starts some who are clearly unfit, and sets them up to prioritise not losing over winning. The exact opposite of their coaches at club level.
Spain were open and we had chances to get into space after the goal. But as watched, England dropped off and Spain re-grouped. Overall, poor game by England. So many loose passes to Spain. I saw Pickford kick a goal kick straight to a Spanish player.
They were on the ropes before the equaliser, as soon as that went in though Southgate evidently told them to sit back and hold for extra time. England showed they could play toe to toe with Spain, but they're held back by a manager who would wear a life vest in a bath.
@@Sortyourselfout-cu7enthey could easily have been 3-0 down by then. One pocket of a decent spell does not mean they can go toe to toe with Spain. English delusion knows no bounds.
Made substitutes very early by his standards, because he got the line-up wrong… 60 mins of Kane was painful, offered nothing. John Stones made one run from defence to the edge of their box and that was probably the most exciting/positive moment I saw (it lead to nothing), as well as the goal being good, and Bellingham’s turn and shot wide was nearly great.
Big managers make big decisions. One of the last big decisions an England manager made was 1966 when Sir Alf Ramsey didn't bring Jimmy Greaves back into the line up after injury. He kept Geoff hurst in the team, and we all know what he achieved in the team. That was 58 years ago, which ironically was the last time England won a trophy. We need a manager who picks players based on form and fitness rather than reputation.
Are they seriously trying to imply England are as good as Spain - such a ridiculous take! England had the easiest passage to a final, whilst Spain were battle hardened by defeating Germany and France ... Spain were the best team in the tournament by a distance!
I haven't heard anyone say England were better than Spain. England player for player imo have better players on paper and before the tournament were favoured over Spain. But Spain were by far and the way the best team in the tournament and on the night and full deserved everything they got. That Spain team could be got at was proven when Watkins and Palmer came on
@@alfieb6711 whether I could or couldn’t (I could), how does that disprove anything I said? They are much better coached than England and France, who both have better squads overall
That’s not why ENG lost. Kane played too many minutes and Foden was never dropped to accommodate Gordon/Eze on the left. The latter also didn’t do squat in the 10.
@@BasaiDaiWalker has those moments every game, and offers us nothing going forwards. Those ballooned crosses yesterday were just embarrassing, and he’s arguably been at fault for 3 goals this tournament. Trent has been completely thrown under the bus at every opportunity, especially when tried in midfield and asked to win the game single handedly without a single runner in front of him. Literally just play him at RB, and watch him absolutely dominate teams as he has done for 5 out of his 7 years playing in the Premier League and Champions League. He literally won everything you could win at club level by the age of 23, and yet people still give Walker a pass despite him making several basic positional errors this tournament. It’s honestly embarrassing how England’s talent is being thrown away, same with Palmer and Gordon….
@@Airyed Rice broke at least 5 times Spain's dangerous possession near England's penalty area in the 1st half alone. The issue was that Maino was nowhere (hence he was subbed), and Rice was left to hold the midfield all alone which is impossible against this Spanish team. None of the Spanish goals came from buildups in middle in any case, which is a testimony that Rice did his job well regardless of how impossible that proved to be. Rice is NOT to be blamed for passing the ball to the defense line, which in turn passed it back to Pickford who blasted it away on the other half aimlessly 20 times, gifting up ball possession to Spain... its a tactical issue that weights on Southgate alone, and not on any specific player (not even on Pickford). The main issue is Kane's immobility and dropping back, which makes the midfield very congested when England had possession... it creates a "domino" effect with inability to progress the ball through the middle, which makes all the midfield players look very bad, not only Rice.
Isolate Kane and Foden. Shaw operates well with a runner in the left. He didn’t have that. He’s also unfit to start in a final. Walker is beat. Bellingham played well the last 30 mins. Why? He told Foden to get out his space. Foden should have been subbed with Kane. Mainoo was doubled and closed down every time he touched the ball. That’s good tactical awareness from Spain’s coaching.
Kyle Walker can't cross a ball to save his life. Total pace merchant. Kane looks injured. Shouldn't have played at all Foden can only perform within a certain system. Rice is an above average player. Nothing special
Weird to mention Rice randomly. He did his job, mostly on his own. When Bellingham was dropped deeper, he was miles ahead up the pitch. I have no idea why Mainoo was subbed off, as he looked much better than Foden or Bellingham. Bellingham was way more a let down than Rice but that's probably because Southgate was too much a coward to play either Bellingham or Foden and rotate/sub them. Southgate and his Assistant shat the bed with Ben White, so all we had was TAA as an option and he cannot defend, though he can play a ball.
If England attempted to play attacking football last night, the Spanish would have scored 2 or 3 more goals and it could have got embarrassing. Spain are just on a completely different level to England.
I regularly watch the Bundesliga and whenever I have seen Dani Olmo play he has been the best player on the pitch. When RB Leipzig beat Bayern 3-0, he scored all three goals. In contrast, Bellingham was great against average teams, but average against great teams. But somehow Bellingham is a superstar and Olmo is a reserve for Spain. Maybe England players aren't as great as their hype.
Bellingham is current favourite for the Ballon Dor (check the odds) and he was Spains player of the year. These arent decided by the English. Bellingham is a MUCH better player than Olmo. Its mismanagement
@@jwb935I wouldn't say much better, Jude is a good player, so is olmo, currently Jude had a great season with Madrid but terrible euros with England... So no, Jude isn't great yet, olmo however I would argue is equal to Jude based of the season his had and the euros. Rodri must win Balon not Jude, Jude didn't carry real. Madrid to winning the ucl, maybe la liga but definitely not UCL
Never had a single midfielder who could hold the ball and dictate pace of the game in all those “golden” generations. International football is a slow possession based game. Counter attack premier league football doesn’t work for it.
'England allowed Spain to be technical' Who is this clown? Spain played you lot off the park, you didn't have a shot at goal in the first half 😆 What a wolly!
They constantly gave away the ball. The amount of times Pickford hoofed the ball up the field just for Spain to get the ball was insane. I’d like to see the stats for how many times England gave the ball away.
The fact that you think this is true just shows why most fans know nothing about football and just repeat nonsense they read online. Goal against Denmark. Goal against Slovakia. Shot against Netherlands that led to the penalty. That’s 3 touches already…
Spanish, Italian, German, Brazilain, Argentinian, Uruguyan, I don't know why I'm naming each country, point is these players adapt to the national team far better than we do, our lot want to play where they play for their clubs, otherwise the dummy is out of the pram, I have to make an exception for Cold Cole Palmer, who is world class and can play anywhere on the pitch and still be influential
For the past month we've had the whole press telling us how good Spain are, but then England bottle it when we lose against them? Spain were just the better team, end of 😂
Everyone makes mistakes. It shouldn’t be about picking it one moment. The ultimate problem is making the same mistakes over and over…ie Southgate’s decision making
@ryanyates4124 Everyone screaming for Foden to play number 10 only for him to play awful there is poor for sure, walker had a terrible final for sure and Kane was atrocious whole tournament, Rice is a basic player aswell bang average
@ryanyates4124 yes foden did have a good first half against Holland, then he was taken of after disappearing in second have, he was playing in his "favoured" position so should have definitely given more than he did, problem is they all want to walk around with this air of brilliants but none of them have ability to take a game and dictate it
Walker has been shocking all tournament. Only thing that hides his poor positional awareness is his pace. It’s always been that way. Not just this tournament. He runs fast sometimes so people think he’s a good defender.
It was obvious from the start of the tournament that a lot of players were tired but Southgate didn’t use his substitutes effectively. Again bringing Toney on with very few minutes left was a dereliction of duty.
The best England player throughout the tournament was Palmer, who had a bit part role. The team was clearly unbalanced and lacked both a solidity and fluidity on the left, yet he played a natural attacking left sided player for a 4 minute cameo. He didn’t have the bottle to drop, or at least rest a struggling “Kane”. The guaranteed response after equalising was as predictable as it was sorrowful, which meant conceding the opportunity for taking advantage of a temporarily rattled Spain side and going for the jugular. The introduction of Watkins had an immediate impact on the Spanish defence and midfield, as they were forced onto the back foot by the constant threat of a striker who could punish them with his running into space, while sitting on the shoulder of their last defender. The fact that we sat back, yet again, is the ultimate testament to Simp-gates tactics, or therefore lack of them. We must change the manager and employ a coach who makes better use of the plethora of talent, that we undoubtedly have.
@@delby66 Yeah, you’re right. He did have a very good tournament, especially in terms of lacking experience in international football. It’s worth considering the pressure that a player is bound to feel when wearing an England shirt. It appeared as if he didn’t feel any. I just think that Palmer was the most influential in trying to get the rest of the team to play more openly and get on the offensive, and more often than not he was the impetus.
SJ on his PR stint for Kneelgate, saying "I guarantee" if Watkins & Palmer were on from the start it would have been the same story. What rubbish, for every time those two came on things changed for the better, just it was always as late substitutes. Talking up Kneelgate as a gentleman and and nice guy this, nice guy that, what TF that got to do with winning? He created an atmosphere in this tournament whereby then players were simply unlistenable in interviews, like righteous programmed robots, barking back at criticism, very justified criticisim, which they couldn't or wouldn't comprehend. For a team/squad of that calibre of players and the utter dross they served up in most of all their games, was shameful. He created a touchy-feely-kneely vibe that only worked in their own little bubble, which was detached from the reality of the football and tactis they served up. No one has ever slated the man on a personal level, for all his faults as a manager he does come across as a good fella, just not a good manager. It's his selections, tactics, style of play and even substitutions that there's plenty to steam into about. It's not his fault he was appointed, he tried his best, just his best is/was no where near good enough.
His man management skills are a myth he’s alienated half the squad refusing to change his first 11 regardless of form, there are players refusing to join up whilst he is there how is that good man management?
The fans and the media are insufferable. Listen to some fans after the match it’s like you had a divine right to win the competition. You build the team up and start arranging bank holidays and next minute completely slate them. Fact is Spain were far better throughout the whole tournament they won every single game where England were extremely lucky. The fact they got to the final playing the way they did is remarkable
What drivel, on the whole, it was a poor tournament, except small teams who played courageously and Turkey, who were very good. The media overhyped all the big teams but how good were they really? Italy - poor, France - poor, England - poor, Holland - poor, Croatia- poor, Portugal - average, than huge drop off. Even Spain weren't great, remember all those ridiculous around the neck and shoulder tackles against Germany? And that horrible football when they were one goal up, it was anti-Spanish football. Go back and watch the Spain side of 2012, when they'd cut teams to shreds. No one will remember by the next tournament but it was rubbish and a waste of time. South American teams will hammer European ones.
The game was lost in midfield, Bellingham and Foden went missing the whole tournament (except for one good 45 mins each) and Rice is an average Premiership midfielder who will win you nothing.
When did you have "Spain on the ropes"? Lmao. After 1-0 Spain could easily have made it 3-0, England were in total panic mode. Even after the Cole Palmer goal the biggest chance belonged to Spain with Pickford making a great save on Yamal's shot, before Spain's second goal. England did not look they could cause trouble for Spain at any point in the game. The only team that gave Spain a run for their money was Germany.
A great save? The shot was right at him, Yamal should have buried it. After we scored England went defensive as usual for the last 15 after playing a relatively open game. That handed all the momentum to Spain, BEGGING for ET again or penalties. Disgusting management.
There was like 5 minutes after we scored where Spain looked like they were gonna sit back and we won the ball quite high up the pitch but then they made a few passes around the back 4 and we just sat off and give the momentum back .. the start of the 2nd half was a shambles ..and the 2nd goal Walker was completely out of position everyone in the world saw Cuerella running down the left wing except Walker for some reason
@@footychat3992 Olmo missed a sitter, Pickford made a great save for a corner from Yamal shot and the chance where Yamal shot the ball badly straight at Pickford.. Spain were running rampant
@@karabomafa5609 Rampant? Behave yourself, they played better than England, created more chances and looked after the ball, no doubt. A few individual errors cost us, Olmo also headed off the line to save Spain from ET. A team that's running rampant doesn't come close to conceding. Not that we deserved to win after how we've played all tournament.
Didnt roy hodgson quit 5mins after being put out of the tournament , and then at the press conference said '' what you asking me for ? I'm not the england manager!!
So what? Do you think everyone plays football? It may surprise you to know that not everybody in the UK likes football. They prefer the other big sports like golf, tennis, rugby union/league, snooker, darts and cricket. The sad thing is England may have tournament winning players who unfortunately aren't interested in football and follow one of the other big sports.
Pickford was part of the issue. His long balls were horrendous. After the goal we was attacking and pickford whacked it out for a goal kick. The pressure ended. He was making saves yes, but the shots were coming from poor kicks from him. Booting the ball down for it to come right back. He was terrible.
Pickford makes good saves but his inability to play out the back stifles England in so many ways. His insistence on going long every chance he gets and giving up possession is the reason why England struggle to create any sorts of patterns of play.
At Tottenham, I said we sacrificed too much to accommodate the way Kane plays in the latter stages of his career. Bayern have found the same. Everyone said I was mad. Kane cannot run anymore, he cannot keep the opposition central defenders occupied. He cannot make runs in behind. He shouldn't have started the final
Spain are a functional unit who can pass in tight spaces and intuitively move in step. The Spanish players believe in their team and can replace any player at any moment without losing quality. England haven't been a team and depend on individual heroic moments. I cant see what the mystery is. The English team played as England always plays against good teams. The Brits don't have the bottle to win any tournament, except for the 1966 rigged World Cup.
@@NH-bz9jv wow just wow! You’re clearly a cuck.. so we have some of the best players in Europe and you think qualifying against San Marino is an achievement? You are clearly happy being a loser, good luck 😂
Watkins and palmer have made an effect everytime they got on the pitch, neither has started. Gordon had an instant impact in a 6 minute cameo, never touched the grass again Walker had multiple stinkers never saw the bench when 4 of the best right backs in the world are english Forget the final, Gareth has mismanaged this group of players for 4 years Thanks for the memories and giving us hope again but its time
As a kid in boarding school in Kent i thought i was a good Footballer until a yourug Spanish kid joined our class, Cesar vitton, when he joined the under 12 team he was out of this world,natural talent,you couldn't get the ball off him,I asked him where he learned that,he said in Spain we all play like this. Spanish players are just natural footballers,they learn it from young
I do however have a few points; Foden and Bellingham CANNOT play in the same team, let's not spend the next 10 years trying to fit them both in, and I would also say to Walker and Kane: thanks chaps, you've been brilliant for us over the years, but your England careers are over, we're moving on
You cannot reach the stars if you are fearful of jumping incase you fall. England play with fear of losing, of attacking for fear of being counter attacked. That crippling fear comes from a conservative manager. It might work against below par opponents but against good teams they fall time and again. They won’t happen until appoint a risk taker of a manager. Klopp, Fergie, Pep win because they are brave and encourage their players to take risks.
Im American so just genuinely curious --- which of the past 4 Tournament exits have hurt the most? '18 WC Semis v Croatia '20 Euro Final v France '22 WC QF v France '24 Euro Final v Spain Even with the potent stench of recency bias emanating from yesterday's match, I STILL feel that posterity will regard this as the most painful of the 4 Tourney exits. Just my vantage from across the pond
The difference between Spain and England is that the Spanish approach every game looking for momentum to score the goal, attacking. The English only wait for momentum based on the opponent's error defending. That doesn't work against Spain.
Loyalty is about the past and not the present. It has no place in the here and now when strategising for a final. Bowen and Watkins/ Palmer should have started. Kane is slowing down. That's obvious. La Porte plays in Saudi Arabia and yet Kane did nothing against him or Le Normand (who?) to break their link with Rodri and Ruiz and disrupt the Spain 'machine'. It's not just Kane. Foden was absent AWOL last night.. Saka was pants, again. He only gets the hype because he plays for Arsenal. He's average. Bellingham looks knackered at the moment. The defence was outstanding in the first half but then fell apart in the second. Pickford is a good shot stopper but he's too small. His limbs are not long enough. He can't get to some shots that other keepers would reach, the Xavi Simon goal, the Williams goal. Lots to change and it starts with Southgate.
The irony is we could have a great manager for the next World Cup, great players, play well and then get beat again by Spain in the knockout stages! But I’d rather that than get to the final playing the way we have hand failing to win miserably
The three lions song should be banned from being sung until we actually win something then sing it out loud but until a trophy is won then it should remain in the locker room
@@adamprint644 read the words yourself it’s coming home it’s not coming home until we’ve won something and the fans singing the song before games riles the opponent to play better than us so don’t get all high and mighty because England just aren’t good enough to win a tournament until they are allowed to play with more freedom and expression not the dreaded defensive game that’s being served up to us at the moment. Spain were allowed to express themselves freely and it shows. Yamal just turned 17 best player in the tournament by a country mile. Kane not fit playing every single game shouldn’t have been in the squad if he’s not fit Saka, overatted let me pass it backwards all the time because he wasn’t allowed to express himself Bellingham well below par. Southgate didn’t want to make to many changes because it would upset the continuity of team. Give me a break it was like watching paint dry watching England play football as a national team.
Harry Kane surely knew that he was nowhere near 100% fit but put his own ego before the team just as he did playing for Spurs in the champions league final against Liverpool where he also went missing. Unfortunately Southgate didnt have the balls or sense to drop him.
You've got a lot to say who is your team??? You can't think youre clever & mouth off. Let's see you mouth off about your own team. Come on let's see you talk the talk about your team. You won't because you're pathetic we all know the sad cases who love to see others fail because they're failures themselves. It makes them feel better about themselves.. Failure. Says everything about who & what you are. I know for a fact you wouldn't say a single word to me to my face. Because you're a pathetic waste of space. How sad you are
The problem, as a non Brit, is the media, building the team up to something they are not. Also Southgate is not a proper manager. 2 immediate faults i see!
Walker has been exposed in several games, if that was TAA, he would be hung, drawn and quartered, Walkers only ability is that he is quick. He suits GSG style as he is defensive, TAA is to offensive, any other country would have TAA in their team to make things happen. If I was TAA / Gordon etc, I would not want to be in the next squad if GSG stays better off having a couple of weeks rest than train to warm the bench for worse players Oh and it cant come home, its never been here
Spain were good in possession, and out of possession. They pressed, won the ball back and kept the damn thing! England didn't press as a team, they couldn't keep the ball for longer than ten seconds......THAT's the difference and it's not rocket science either. Final's can surprise anyone....look at Man Utd v City in the FA cup final....did anyone actually believed Utd would beat City??
Never gonna win anything when your keeper gets more passes to him than your main striker...in every game.
You also can't win when your goalie gives the ball away every single time.
And your keeper then boots it aimlessly 20 times a game 🤦🏼♂️
Then your main striker should learn how to win the ball
@@bobbadger8813 "ave some"
And when they won a throw at the far right end of Spain and they threw it back to a player around midfield who passed it all the way to Pickford when the ball should have been around the penalty area in the first place and let the forwards deal with it At least there would always be a chance. Kane was nowhere. After 58 yrs this was a chance they should have grabbed by hook or by crook
I am Greek so i was watching the game with Greek commentators. And 5 minutes after England scored, the guy said, "Unbelievable..England are all back defending. It looks like for Southgate it is always the same. A draw is like a win for him.."
Scamgate was banking on ET and pens,after Palmer equalised,but Spain thought differently ! 😂😂
Spain won the final with rodri injured in the entire second half, arguably the best midfielder in Europe right now.....and Southgate couldn't try and make that count for England. Its a glaring lack of having a tactical mind
Yet they want to extend his contract till 2026 what a fkn joke
@@rawdaw3869 who would you put in instead?
Funny thing is that Spanish side is bang average and rodri is only that highly rated because he plays for man city
@@JurgenFlopa bang average side that won all seven games of the Euros, the first to do so. Spain might be average but what does that make the rest of their competition?
@@GordonTredgold any one would fkn do better job then this joker he is scared manager
The inability to drop Foden & Kane for Watkins / Toney & Palmer was the downfall.
And Rice
Right on. We all see it. The squad is deep, yet Southgate and the delusionals still feel Kane and Foden are England’s saviors.
@@Airyed Who would have replaced Rice in the CDM position? Wharton? Haven't really seen much of him, so genuinely not sure.
Rice was shackled by the “coaching” style of Southgate….Kane and Foden should have been replaced earlier in most of the group and knockout games ..Southgate’s too scared to be bold and try different combinations.
@@Airyed not like mainoo or Bellingham did any better.... If it wasn't for stones and walker it could of been 3 or 4-1
If we had physical issues all tournament then why the hell did he play the same 10 players in every match?!!!!!
100% agree. Southgate did not use his squad well enough at all
The best squad for sure if not the best XI...
Top flying wingers that were not used....
And we get beaten by 2 flying wingers....
@@jon-f7u
What best squad?!
This is the delusion of English EPL fans. Nobody in England would have Ruiz ahead of Rice even though he has been levels above him in this tournament
@@bh629 probably cos they play different positions. Rice is a 6 and Ruiz is an 8 but carry on… 😅
Its a poor excuse. Every team has the same issues to deal with. Spain were missing Rodri for the second half and also no Pedri or Gavi. Imagine if we had our three main starters in midfield missing. You would definitely have noticed the change, but Spain played as if this was the midfield used all tournament.
The only people who 'lionise' are the press. Every English fan knows Southgate couldn't manage a whelk stall, despite the absolute treasures he has at his disposal.
Every English fan should appreciate what Southgate has done for England. Otherwise you are not much of a person. No compassion. No empathy. Pure Losers.
whelk stall...nice
treasures? i don't see a romario , suarez, messi, brazilian ronaldo, rivaldo, cr7, van basten, , kluivert, roberto baggio, ,,, these are the players that make the difference, on top of that ENGLAND don't have 1 world class player at international level. this tournament has proven that. bellinhgam or foden at club level. international is harder again i would think.
@@mrlennon4869 The fact that you use 'cr7' shows you have no idea of football.
Only Brexit fans disrespect their goat manager, I would never think a English team could reach back to back Euro finals. Spain is just miles better on every position except for Kane and Bellingham
Southgate is a definition of insanity. Expecting to do the same thing to get a different outcome.
He's a laptop stuck on black screen in human form.
Yep
As other have said he was purely relying on players to create moments and a lot of luck. There was no real strategy or tactics. Just throw on your best players even in the wrong positions and hope over 90 minutes they’ll win you the game and it sort of worked until he eventually met Spain who were too clever and organised to allow England to win through sheer luck.
You can say Southgate is a decent bloke as much as you like, he certainly kneels better than most. He is missing one fundamental asset, HE IS NOT A WINNER.
Agree. But he's won 2 league cups. Kane needs to go first.
England aren't winners full stop.
Maybe, but we've had several world class managers and nothing has happened. Same thing gets thrown at them.
I always think if someone is described as a ‘decent bloke’ it means they are boring
@@colinfarrelly2513 I keep getting notified about replies here after they deleted my comment. Really annoying
Kanes mobility is shocking it’s like playing with 10 men we can’t press with him upfront and by the time we make subs the rest of the team are gassing because they have been carrying him
Spot on
Kane was a massive weak link all tournament.
Ive posted exact same over the last few days.
He doesn’t even jump for headers
@@sensibledriver933 I've posted the exact same thing 5 tournaments. I'm baffled why it's taken people so long to realise what an overrated lump kane really is
Every time we come against a good strong team we fail. We have the players to do the job but not the manager.
No we don’t. Could have had any manager last night & we still would have lost. Spain are a naturally better footballing side.
You don't have the players to do any job.. You've got overhyped players which you've deluded yourselves to do that job
The spainish players are average but play brilliant together. Most of the teams they play for don't win the leagues including champions league. Tactics are huge and team spirit is massive.
Half of those England players are bang average and last night showed it
Matey England doesn't have the players !
Southgate is like having HR run your company
The Bundesliga must be dire if Kane just banged 40 goals there, look at him, I've seen corpses with more movement.
Cos he was match fit during the domestic season, he was injured towards the end of it...
Which is why we played the whole tournament with 10 men!!!
Everyone could see he could barely stand up.. let alone RUN!!
southgate played him because he knows it was probably kanes last tournament.
That decision ultimately cost us the trophy.
The premier league must be pretty dire as well if that ghost Foden was player of the season. Not a single goal or assist all tournament ….. yikes
@@larnx1692 Foden is a cog in a well oiled man city machine, Rodri should have been player of the season I don't know why Foden won it, But I'm pretty sure the media get paid to run PR for certain players. I think the prime example was Beckham, he was basically Ward-Prowse but prettier, he married a world famous pop singer the next thing you know he's one of the best player's in the world? Insanity. Giggs was a different level to Beckham but he's Welsh, if Giggs was English they'd have tried getting him a Ballon d'Or, they're already scheming on Bellinghams 🤣
😂😂😂
@@michaeljennings4635he wasn't injured, stop defending him. He's been like this in every tournament he's been in. Hes an absolutely shocking footballer and should be no where near the international game. Bang average tap in merchant
No way Watkins would have looked as bad as Kane if he'd started. That is a demented view. At the very least he would have run around a bit.
Yep, and sick of the whole, he's our captain and record goalscorer. Rooney was an immense player once upon a time, should we have started him? Kane was a passenger all tournament and shouldn't have been near that starting XI last night.
Both Palmer and Watkins should been playing from start. Really poor tactical decisions by Southgate.
It was a carbon copy of the French game at the World Cup
@@JB-qm5wg we'd have won 8-0 every game if we dug up Dixie Dean and Jimmy Greaves and put them up top 😔
It doesn't make sense thinking about what Kane does at club level (or what he's done for England in the past) if he's not playing in the same system. Kane isn't dropping to play pacy wingers in and follow in late. He's dropping deep into a pointless passing clusterfuck with no movement or runs, and then not running forward himself to offer an option.
Its funny. Southgate didn't pick players based on form for years, but when he does it's just picking players rather than a team with a system and clear style. Just like his slow to react subs policy, where he waited until the 975th minute to make a change, fans complained, he's suddenly pressured into finally making an early sub and it's the wrong one, and then he goes back to late subs hoping they can rescue the game when his primary "plan" fails as always. It's beyond incompetence. It almost looks deliberate. Maybe kids like Mainoo are only there as a perfectly placed scapegoat for when we fail. Maybe he was doing a Hollywood (when someone writes something bad): hoping the Asian bots would come out firing with their racism again so he'd be out of the spotlight and the blame could be placed elsewhere. He is 100% the problem with the national team.
@@JB-qm5wgEngland’s class system haunts even what supposed to be a meritocracy. From Shearer to Beckham, Rooney now Kane. The team “figurehead” is treated like a peerage/job for life.
Any other manager at the Euros would have started Palmer in every game. Can you imagine Gareth playing Nico and Yamal? No chance, he values physicality and industry.
I agree 100%. If Nico and Yamal were English they would have watched the Euros from the bench.
Since ‘66 we’ve had top managers, top players and more money than any national football association. Yet we don’t win sh*t. Uruguay have 18… frickin 18 international trophies. 2 world cups, 2 Olympic golds and 15 copa americas. We’re nowhere near them never mind the heavyweights like Brazil, Argentina, Italy, Germany, Spain, France. We’re sh*te. Just accept it
the answer is team. not some brilliant players,if they are truly.
One of England's best periods: No trophies
Italy and Spain are far off from their glory days: Still wins a trophy
They really are the England Hotspurs.
It is because of PL.
Your PL was the heaven for those foreign best players in the world while English players was forced to be bench cleaner.
What need to be changed is foreign players limit in PL. Maximum 5 foreign players as starter in PL will bring good for England than bad.
Players need to gel in on a system of play. Just imagine if 11 players play in different system and clubs how can they gel in on a short period in a tournament?
Foden with England is a really average player, he was as shitty as Kane in this Euro.
Southgate has made him average.
@@whiteknight-m4q
No, no and no. Southgate is certainly incompetent but don't put all the blame on him because there are also players like Kane and Foden who have not lived up to their responsibilities. Bellingham played many times in a position that was not his and yet managed to do much more interesting things than Foden and Kane during this Euro.
@@Leonmadrilenofacts
@@LeonmadrilenoBellingham was a ghost every game he just had a lucky overhead go in, foden was having to press for Kane and had to play as an 8 with mainoo at the same time if you watched the games. Bellingham a few games ago lost the ball 17 times in the game, that’s worthy of never starting the rest of the tournament. He’s a brilliant player but the PR around him is stupid, don’t think I’ve seen a good 45 minutes from him the last 10 games
@@andrewwright4195 not one thing said there was a fact
Kane, the serial loser. It’s unbelievable he gets all the plaudits
Yh because England won so much before Kane didn’t they?
It’s not Kane fault , these pundits hyped to a level he is no way close to
these Harry Kane fanbois just pop up dont they??
Fastcheetah, what's Harry Kane won??
Nowhere to be seen when club or country need him.
Goalscoring stats are so deceptive with certain players.
English Soldado.
Can only perform with no pressure mentally or physically. Every big moment he’s had, he’s bottled it. Show us all otherwise…
What must the team be thinking and feeling when this guy is your captain
@MarcoDeJesus14 Henderson was always the true captain. Should of put kane in his place instead of giving him the arm band. Guy is weak 0 personality.
At least you could hear Henderson screaming at people to do better always shouting, talking praising. Not the best footballer but a good leader.
Agree. Kane especially, selfishly playing with injuries and stifling England. Kane is the catalyst for this poor, negative play. Wasn't in the box, to slow, didn't close down.
Kane isn't the manager lol 😂
@@jamesrocco5272 being the captain of England, he has a duty to help the team. We know Southgate is spineless, but Kane is just as bad.
It all comes back to Southgate as much as I agree with Kane and Walker being poor, the fact he can't see how bad Kane's been blows my mind, looks injured
@@SC..28 Kane would play with a broken leg most players would they need to be managed lol
@@SC..28they were all poor, Watkins came on and touched the ball 4 times in 35 minutes so yea he made a massive difference.
Rice was awful, foden was awful, Bellingham was awful, yea kane was very poor but the defence and midfield couldn't pass the ball between them.
Kyle Walker keeps costing us goals in games that knock us out of tournaments and the press give him a free pass
England's problem is Southgate not the players, the players alone have carried your nation to the final
@nqobilengema2165 was it Southgate who left cucarella in acres of space last night because he was out of position? Was it Southgate who let the Croatians score 2 in 2018?
@@carlh564 it was south gate that made saka not cover and help. So yes it's still Southgate fault. Clearly you a Southgate in type
@nqobilengema2165 when did I ever say Southgate in,bit weird you're defending a player who keeps making errors leading to England's downfall
Facts
Happy Monday everyone, from sunny Spain 🇪🇸 VAMOS
I see what you did there
You're not Spanish.
@@PrinceMishkin99999 All these people pretending to be Spanish are almost certainly bitter Scots/Welsh. Didn't the Scots go home about two weeks ago?
@@PrinceMishkin99999 worthy? Nah mate Spain are out of their opponents league. Spain are a top team, they’re opponents however, are a complete lost cause.
@@brelshar4968here’s an English fan
Spain where all over England. English media going on like it was a close game
Literally. It was the best team in the euros vs the worlds worst😂
I think when they got it to 1:1 a good coach would say keep going instead he gets them to sit deep straight away, It says it all
No they weren’t. They had a good period when they scored, but apart from that it was 50/50. England Invited too much pressure in the end as well and didn’t go for it.
@@jgunner94 Are you serious? With 70% possession and 2 great chances to go 2-0 up before England registered their 1st shot on target for the 2nd half (and 2nd of the game up to that point) do you really think it was 50/50? I`m curious, what is "domination" in your standards if 70% possession is not "dominant" enough... 90%, 99.9% maybe?
@@migennepravishta9485 Possession doesn’t equal them being so dominant, they weren’t creating left, right, centre.
Sometimes Jim says the most stupid things! WTF has Southgate being polite after a loss have to do with his managerial ability or lack of it? If you want to know how good people think Gareth is as a manager, just ask them if they would be happy to see him as the manager of the club side that they support. I'm pretty confident the majority would say no!
Majority? It would be 100% and it would be 100% of club chairmen as well because he plays boring, nonsense football.
The point was that all tournament we looked average and defensive. Kane was off the pace and we couldn’t counter attack. Every time he came off, we looked better. Every time Palmer came on, we played better. Walker was just quick and offered no final product in every game, yet apparently Trippier who plays for Newcastle, is the next choice over Trent Arnold, who’s been first choice right back for the only team to consistently challenge City most seasons. He’s also one of the best crosses in the world and a dead ball specialist. Gareth constantly picks a team that’s struggled and only changes to a more attacking team, when we’re in trouble. Why keep choosing the same team and expect a different result. It’s time for younger players to be given a chance.
Well said buddy.
Everyone in the country could see what you’re saying. The astounding thing was that waist coated tit couldn’t.
Pickford made some good saves but why was he constantly lumping it long to the Spanish defence while we had 9 men playing so deep and HK with lead slippers on.
Because Spain were maintaining their high press throughout the game making it impossible for England to play out, however I do agree there were numerous ocassions we were going long with minimal to no pressure on the ball which is inexcusable.
I’m fed up with the media always giving Kane the excuse that he must be injured because of how poor he plays. Kane in theory injured in every cup final he’s ever played if you listen to the media.
Being injured isn't an excuse!! Its a disgrace... he is injured!! Which is why he could hardly stand up... he done his back in towards the end of the domestic season. He shouldn't of been playing. We played the whole tournament with 10 men!! And STILL made the final!!
If we had 11 fully fit players and palmer was given more than 20mins... we could of won it
Walkers defending if its Trent would be a national news. He has made so many mistakes these euros.
That is what Walker does, he gets away with it alot because he is fast enough to make up for most of his mistakes
Spot on, I'd have loved to see Trent playing right back marauding into midfield with his passing ability. Walkers best days are behind him it's just a pity Southgate doesn't have the football acumen to realise it.
I wish him well for the future but not as an England manager.
I agree...walker is overrated player.
Maybe if those in front of him did their job then he wouldn't be left 1v1. Spain literally played 2 passes to get through England's entire midfield in the build up to Spain's winner.....
@@Viewsonic61 If you're going with a flat back 3, Trent should have started on the right as a wing back. Maybe not as a starter, but bring him on with a half hour to go. His passing ability is second to none. Instead he starts him as a midfielder and he gets trashed.
Ben white deserves an apology
Jimmy white deserves an apology
So Simon Jordan bashes Ole for not being good enough and being tactically inept to get Utd to win trophies when going into several semi/finals. But praises Southgate for making it into semis and finals despite not winning anything?
It’s Simon’s job always to go against the flow of public opinion.
He's called Southgate average as well.
@KOBKStreak now he has but couple months back he said otherwise
Just what I've been questioning, he's against Ten Hag for how United play but makes excuses for Southgate.
United are used to winning. Or were... England haven't even been close since 66. Context
The reason these English players look good playing for their clubs is because they are playing with foreign player who are technically better than they are so it makes them look good. Therefore when playing for England they are exposed for their limited abilities individually and as a team
That's right
@@commonsensemustprevail and they say the premier league is the best in the world lol
@commonsensemustprevail No it isn't, it's anti-English nonsense. Successful clubs don't carry deadweight for long, if the players are consistently starting and performing for the likes of Man City etc it's because they're top players.
Or you could argue that when they play for England they are exposed to a coach who is tactically limited, does not give them the freedom or confidence to attack, plays a few of them out of position, starts some who are clearly unfit, and sets them up to prioritise not losing over winning. The exact opposite of their coaches at club level.
I agree
They keep saying they had Spain on the ropes. I most have watched different game.
Spain were open and we had chances to get into space after the goal. But as watched, England dropped off and Spain re-grouped.
Overall, poor game by England. So many loose passes to Spain. I saw Pickford kick a goal kick straight to a Spanish player.
very briefly after england scored
Don’t worry. As a Man united fan, I know how the English media works.
They were on the ropes before the equaliser, as soon as that went in though Southgate evidently told them to sit back and hold for extra time. England showed they could play toe to toe with Spain, but they're held back by a manager who would wear a life vest in a bath.
@@Sortyourselfout-cu7enthey could easily have been 3-0 down by then. One pocket of a decent spell does not mean they can go toe to toe with Spain. English delusion knows no bounds.
Made substitutes very early by his standards, because he got the line-up wrong… 60 mins of Kane was painful, offered nothing.
John Stones made one run from defence to the edge of their box and that was probably the most exciting/positive moment I saw (it lead to nothing), as well as the goal being good, and Bellingham’s turn and shot wide was nearly great.
Big managers make big decisions.
One of the last big decisions an England manager made was 1966 when Sir Alf Ramsey didn't bring Jimmy Greaves back into the line up after injury. He kept Geoff hurst in the team, and we all know what he achieved in the team.
That was 58 years ago, which ironically was the last time England won a trophy.
We need a manager who picks players based on form and fitness rather than reputation.
Are they seriously trying to imply England are as good as Spain - such a ridiculous take! England had the easiest passage to a final, whilst Spain were battle hardened by defeating Germany and France ... Spain were the best team in the tournament by a distance!
@@sca6014 literally. Spain were the best, and England were the absolute worst. Romania would’ve given Spain more of a challenge😂
I haven't heard anyone say England were better than Spain. England player for player imo have better players on paper and before the tournament were favoured over Spain.
But Spain were by far and the way the best team in the tournament and on the night and full deserved everything they got.
That Spain team could be got at was proven when Watkins and Palmer came on
They have the better squad overall, if you swap the managers then you almost certainly swap the result. Spain are just a far better coached side
@@alfieb6711 whether I could or couldn’t (I could), how does that disprove anything I said? They are much better coached than England and France, who both have better squads overall
Don’t see England getting anywhere near the final if they had Spains route.
Southgate chose Walker over Trent. Nuff said.
and Trippier!!
it is because he wanted to play someone who could defend
That’s not why ENG lost. Kane played too many minutes and Foden was never dropped to accommodate Gordon/Eze on the left. The latter also didn’t do squat in the 10.
@@BasaiDaiWalker has those moments every game, and offers us nothing going forwards. Those ballooned crosses yesterday were just embarrassing, and he’s arguably been at fault for 3 goals this tournament. Trent has been completely thrown under the bus at every opportunity, especially when tried in midfield and asked to win the game single handedly without a single runner in front of him. Literally just play him at RB, and watch him absolutely dominate teams as he has done for 5 out of his 7 years playing in the Premier League and Champions League. He literally won everything you could win at club level by the age of 23, and yet people still give Walker a pass despite him making several basic positional errors this tournament. It’s honestly embarrassing how England’s talent is being thrown away, same with Palmer and Gordon….
@@Robo94100 imagine if it was trent. the haters will make it sound like a treason lol.
We played with half a team last night. Bellingham, mainoo, walker, foden, kane and shaw all went missing. Shame
We’re just terrible. Spain out of our league fasho
Rice played like a 10M player, was absolutely useless!
Saka too forgetting to track back
@@Airyed Rice broke at least 5 times Spain's dangerous possession near England's penalty area in the 1st half alone. The issue was that Maino was nowhere (hence he was subbed), and Rice was left to hold the midfield all alone which is impossible against this Spanish team. None of the Spanish goals came from buildups in middle in any case, which is a testimony that Rice did his job well regardless of how impossible that proved to be. Rice is NOT to be blamed for passing the ball to the defense line, which in turn passed it back to Pickford who blasted it away on the other half aimlessly 20 times, gifting up ball possession to Spain... its a tactical issue that weights on Southgate alone, and not on any specific player (not even on Pickford). The main issue is Kane's immobility and dropping back, which makes the midfield very congested when England had possession... it creates a "domino" effect with inability to progress the ball through the middle, which makes all the midfield players look very bad, not only Rice.
Isolate Kane and Foden. Shaw operates well with a runner in the left. He didn’t have that. He’s also unfit to start in a final. Walker is beat. Bellingham played well the last 30 mins. Why? He told Foden to get out his space. Foden should have been subbed with Kane. Mainoo was doubled and closed down every time he touched the ball. That’s good tactical awareness from Spain’s coaching.
Kyle Walker can't cross a ball to save his life. Total pace merchant.
Kane looks injured. Shouldn't have played at all
Foden can only perform within a certain system.
Rice is an above average player. Nothing special
Above average is pretty good, no?
@@dirtygunslinger9835no it isn’t
Weird to mention Rice randomly. He did his job, mostly on his own. When Bellingham was dropped deeper, he was miles ahead up the pitch.
I have no idea why Mainoo was subbed off, as he looked much better than Foden or Bellingham. Bellingham was way more a let down than Rice but that's probably because Southgate was too much a coward to play either Bellingham or Foden and rotate/sub them.
Southgate and his Assistant shat the bed with Ben White, so all we had was TAA as an option and he cannot defend, though he can play a ball.
@@KOBKStreak Bellingham got assists and goals mainoo was average yesterday foden been rubbish all euros
Rice gave the ball away. A lot.
If England attempted to play attacking football last night, the Spanish would have scored 2 or 3 more goals and it could have got embarrassing. Spain are just on a completely different level to England.
Kane and foden should never been on the pitch ? What is Cole Palmer going to do ??
I regularly watch the Bundesliga and whenever I have seen Dani Olmo play he has been the best player on the pitch. When RB Leipzig beat Bayern 3-0, he scored all three goals.
In contrast, Bellingham was great against average teams, but average against great teams.
But somehow Bellingham is a superstar and Olmo is a reserve for Spain. Maybe England players aren't as great as their hype.
real madrid think bellingham is a superstar how much they paid for him
Bellingham is current favourite for the Ballon Dor (check the odds) and he was Spains player of the year. These arent decided by the English. Bellingham is a MUCH better player than Olmo. Its mismanagement
@@jwb935 Bellingham didn't turn up against Bayern and BVB in the European Cup, but I'm sure he did well in the earlier rounds.
Bellingham isn’t a number 10 he’s a 8. building the squad around him playing as 10 is ridiculous.
@@jwb935I wouldn't say much better, Jude is a good player, so is olmo, currently Jude had a great season with Madrid but terrible euros with England... So no, Jude isn't great yet, olmo however I would argue is equal to Jude based of the season his had and the euros.
Rodri must win Balon not Jude, Jude didn't carry real. Madrid to winning the ucl, maybe la liga but definitely not UCL
Never had a single midfielder who could hold the ball and dictate pace of the game in all those “golden” generations. International football is a slow possession based game. Counter attack premier league football doesn’t work for it.
'England allowed Spain to be technical' Who is this clown? Spain played you lot off the park, you didn't have a shot at goal in the first half 😆 What a wolly!
He's an arrogant twat
They constantly gave away the ball. The amount of times Pickford hoofed the ball up the field just for Spain to get the ball was insane. I’d like to see the stats for how many times England gave the ball away.
Kane one touch in the opposition box the last 2 euros
Is that not the issue of midfield not finding their top striker….
it is yes, but that doesn’t fit the narrative or media agenda.
@@Sm24588No it’s the striker being in midfield and not in the position he should be.
The fact that you think this is true just shows why most fans know nothing about football and just repeat nonsense they read online. Goal against Denmark. Goal against Slovakia. Shot against Netherlands that led to the penalty. That’s 3 touches already…
@@dizzyrocket2000 Still makes the big chinned c**t utterly useless.
I think walker was at fault for both goals and we never closed down quick enough Spain closed down right
There's no way Klopp would ever want to manage England.
Leave Liverpool and go to England?He left Liverpool cos of stress,but he'd do a great job tho
The reason why people were getting over excited about Palmer's pass to Ollie Watkins is because it was actually a forward pass for once
Spanish, Italian, German, Brazilain, Argentinian, Uruguyan, I don't know why I'm naming each country, point is these players adapt to the national team far better than we do, our lot want to play where they play for their clubs, otherwise the dummy is out of the pram, I have to make an exception for Cold Cole Palmer, who is world class and can play anywhere on the pitch and still be influential
Even teams like Georgia play better than England. We’re a pile of garbage this euro and I have zero hope in us even qualifying for the world cup
Yes because a lot of these teams pick players to make a balanced team instead of picking who has the most Instagram followers.
For the past month we've had the whole press telling us how good Spain are, but then England bottle it when we lose against them? Spain were just the better team, end of 😂
Don’t forget ,Pickfords long ball that cost us the second goal and ultimately the match.
Everyone makes mistakes. It shouldn’t be about picking it one moment. The ultimate problem is making the same mistakes over and over…ie Southgate’s decision making
Conveniently leaves out Fodens name in thumbnail 😂
Foden was average and had some good games. Kane and Walker were awful all tournament.
@ryanyates4124 Everyone screaming for Foden to play number 10 only for him to play awful there is poor for sure, walker had a terrible final for sure and Kane was atrocious whole tournament, Rice is a basic player aswell bang average
@@fyarlynx Foden was great in the semi, lets be honest. But yeah he didnt do enough in the final. But Southgate's system is so negative its ridiculous
@ryanyates4124 yes foden did have a good first half against Holland, then he was taken of after disappearing in second have, he was playing in his "favoured" position so should have definitely given more than he did, problem is they all want to walk around with this air of brilliants but none of them have ability to take a game and dictate it
@@ryanyates4124 one half decent game against Denmark, but that was the game he got the fewest minutes in 😅
Walker has been shocking all tournament. Only thing that hides his poor positional awareness is his pace. It’s always been that way. Not just this tournament. He runs fast sometimes so people think he’s a good defender.
Kane was utterly horrendous in every minute he played
It's like watching a SLOTH 😂
Palmer absolute baller. We had issues on the left and not one time did he give Gordon an opportunity. Embarrassing.
It was obvious from the start of the tournament that a lot of players were tired but Southgate didn’t use his substitutes effectively. Again bringing Toney on with very few minutes left was a dereliction of duty.
The best England player throughout the tournament was Palmer, who had a bit part role. The team was clearly unbalanced and lacked both a solidity and fluidity on the left, yet he played a natural attacking left sided player for a 4 minute cameo. He didn’t have the bottle to drop, or at least rest a struggling “Kane”. The guaranteed response after equalising was as predictable as it was sorrowful, which meant conceding the opportunity for taking advantage of a temporarily rattled Spain side and going for the jugular. The introduction of Watkins had an immediate impact on the Spanish defence and midfield, as they were forced onto the back foot by the constant threat of a striker who could punish them with his running into space, while sitting on the shoulder of their last defender. The fact that we sat back, yet again, is the ultimate testament to Simp-gates tactics, or therefore lack of them.
We must change the manager and employ a coach who makes better use of the plethora of talent, that we undoubtedly have.
Marc Ghehui had a good tournament. Yes he had a few iffy moments, but he was the only defender who was steady throughout the tournament.
@@delby66 Yeah, you’re right. He did have a very good tournament, especially in terms of lacking experience in international football. It’s worth considering the pressure that a player is bound to feel when wearing an England shirt. It appeared as if he didn’t feel any.
I just think that Palmer was the most influential in trying to get the rest of the team to play more openly and get on the offensive, and more often than not he was the impetus.
SJ on his PR stint for Kneelgate, saying "I guarantee" if Watkins & Palmer were on from the start it would have been the same story.
What rubbish, for every time those two came on things changed for the better, just it was always as late substitutes.
Talking up Kneelgate as a gentleman and and nice guy this, nice guy that, what TF that got to do with winning?
He created an atmosphere in this tournament whereby then players were simply unlistenable in interviews, like righteous programmed robots, barking back at criticism, very justified criticisim, which they couldn't or wouldn't comprehend.
For a team/squad of that calibre of players and the utter dross they served up in most of all their games, was shameful.
He created a touchy-feely-kneely vibe that only worked in their own little bubble, which was detached from the reality of the football and tactis they served up.
No one has ever slated the man on a personal level, for all his faults as a manager he does come across as a good fella, just not a good manager.
It's his selections, tactics, style of play and even substitutions that there's plenty to steam into about.
It's not his fault he was appointed, he tried his best, just his best is/was no where near good enough.
Over rated. Over hyped. Vastly Overpaid. Bang average players.
End of.
His man management skills are a myth he’s alienated half the squad refusing to change his first 11 regardless of form, there are players refusing to join up whilst he is there how is that good man management?
Well half this squad should just say no thanks after this Euros, starting with TAA & Gordon
@@OleGitRule I wouldn’t blame them if they did, respect Ben White now for saying no.
The fans and the media are insufferable. Listen to some fans after the match it’s like you had a divine right to win the competition. You build the team up and start arranging bank holidays and next minute completely slate them. Fact is Spain were far better throughout the whole tournament they won every single game where England were extremely lucky. The fact they got to the final playing the way they did is remarkable
What drivel, on the whole, it was a poor tournament, except small teams who played courageously and Turkey, who were very good. The media overhyped all the big teams but how good were they really? Italy - poor, France - poor, England - poor, Holland - poor, Croatia- poor, Portugal - average, than huge drop off. Even Spain weren't great, remember all those ridiculous around the neck and shoulder tackles against Germany? And that horrible football when they were one goal up, it was anti-Spanish football. Go back and watch the Spain side of 2012, when they'd cut teams to shreds. No one will remember by the next tournament but it was rubbish and a waste of time. South American teams will hammer European ones.
The game was lost in midfield, Bellingham and Foden went missing the whole tournament (except for one good 45 mins each) and Rice is an average Premiership midfielder
who will win you nothing.
Thank you for saying it Rice is such a bang average player the fact he cost 100m is embarrassing
When did you have "Spain on the ropes"? Lmao. After 1-0 Spain could easily have made it 3-0, England were in total panic mode. Even after the Cole Palmer goal the biggest chance belonged to Spain with Pickford making a great save on Yamal's shot, before Spain's second goal. England did not look they could cause trouble for Spain at any point in the game. The only team that gave Spain a run for their money was Germany.
A great save? The shot was right at him, Yamal should have buried it. After we scored England went defensive as usual for the last 15 after playing a relatively open game. That handed all the momentum to Spain, BEGGING for ET again or penalties. Disgusting management.
There was like 5 minutes after we scored where Spain looked like they were gonna sit back and we won the ball quite high up the pitch but then they made a few passes around the back 4 and we just sat off and give the momentum back .. the start of the 2nd half was a shambles ..and the 2nd goal Walker was completely out of position everyone in the world saw Cuerella running down the left wing except Walker for some reason
@@footychat3992 Olmo missed a sitter, Pickford made a great save for a corner from Yamal shot and the chance where Yamal shot the ball badly straight at Pickford.. Spain were running rampant
Reminds me of 2002 when the only team who could've given Brazil a game got robbed by South Korea.
@@karabomafa5609 Rampant? Behave yourself, they played better than England, created more chances and looked after the ball, no doubt. A few individual errors cost us, Olmo also headed off the line to save Spain from ET. A team that's running rampant doesn't come close to conceding.
Not that we deserved to win after how we've played all tournament.
People might now understand why Tottenham accepted 90 million for Kane.
Didnt roy hodgson quit 5mins after being put out of the tournament , and then at the press conference said '' what you asking me for ? I'm not the england manager!!
Gordon and palmers lack of minutes at this tournament is a sackable offence
The total population of all the 6 countries we played to get to the final is 10m less than England's population.
So what? Do you think everyone plays football? It may surprise you to know that not everybody in the UK likes football. They prefer the other big sports like golf, tennis, rugby union/league, snooker, darts and cricket. The sad thing is England may have tournament winning players who unfortunately aren't interested in football and follow one of the other big sports.
Pickford was part of the issue. His long balls were horrendous.
After the goal we was attacking and pickford whacked it out for a goal kick. The pressure ended.
He was making saves yes, but the shots were coming from poor kicks from him. Booting the ball down for it to come right back. He was terrible.
Pickford makes good saves but his inability to play out the back stifles England in so many ways. His insistence on going long every chance he gets and giving up possession is the reason why England struggle to create any sorts of patterns of play.
Spot on. I'm mystified why your precise, correct point has not been made by all these media analysts
Kane cost them the win but it's all down to Southgate not having the guts to drop a player who was so clearly out of form.
The meltdown is fantastic 😂😂, blaming Anthony Gordon, he never played 😂😂
At Tottenham, I said we sacrificed too much to accommodate the way Kane plays in the latter stages of his career. Bayern have found the same. Everyone said I was mad. Kane cannot run anymore, he cannot keep the opposition central defenders occupied. He cannot make runs in behind. He shouldn't have started the final
How did he play Bellingham on the left ? Crazy and shaw how did he stay on the pitch the guy was hardly match fit in the beginning of the tournament
Colombia played better and robotic yesterday than England. It's a shame really
Someone just tell me why kane kept starting. Because everything I see the flying in the opposition box he's no where to be found.
Spain beat Germany, Italy, France and England.
We could never beat 4 top teams like that. Let alone 1 team.
Spain are a functional unit who can pass in tight spaces and intuitively move in step. The Spanish players believe in their team and can replace any player at any moment without losing quality.
England haven't been a team and depend on individual heroic moments. I cant see what the mystery is.
The English team played as England always plays against good teams. The Brits don't have the bottle to win any tournament, except for the 1966 rigged World Cup.
At times every manager has to be ruthless and bare his teeth, Southgate has none
It’s your boy Southgate’s fault for constantly picking his favourites still want to give him a knighthood 😂 bunch of muppets
What?? 😂 He picked what the media and fans wanted ..WTF are you smoking kid? 😂
@Triple_X_X he took four right backs and one injured left back! Who in the media or public asked for that? Absolute joke of a decision
I agree
You are clearly Scottish, Welsh or Irish……at least we always qualify mate, dry your eyes😂. Throb.
@@NH-bz9jv wow just wow! You’re clearly a cuck.. so we have some of the best players in Europe and you think qualifying against San Marino is an achievement? You are clearly happy being a loser, good luck 😂
Watkins and palmer have made an effect everytime they got on the pitch, neither has started.
Gordon had an instant impact in a 6 minute cameo, never touched the grass again
Walker had multiple stinkers never saw the bench when 4 of the best right backs in the world are english
Forget the final, Gareth has mismanaged this group of players for 4 years
Thanks for the memories and giving us hope again but its time
You should go for Mourinho or Klopp. Dyche and Howe, are you serious? We need a coach with a winning mentality.
😂Why would they wanna waste their time on a deluded arrogant team? 😂
Howe is a winning coach..took our Toon from third last two fourth in one season...you got no clue..
Didn't Klopp lose his first 3 European finals before winning 1?
Losing more than winning?
Hasn't he lost 3/4 ucls and 1 Europa?
@@Triple_X_XYou seem to be spending a lot of time acting like an infant about said team
As a kid in boarding school in Kent i thought i was a good Footballer until a yourug Spanish kid joined our class, Cesar vitton, when he joined the under 12 team he was out of this world,natural talent,you couldn't get the ball off him,I asked him where he learned that,he said in Spain we all play like this.
Spanish players are just natural footballers,they learn it from young
I do however have a few points; Foden and Bellingham CANNOT play in the same team, let's not spend the next 10 years trying to fit them both in, and I would also say to Walker and Kane: thanks chaps, you've been brilliant for us over the years, but your England careers are over, we're moving on
Scotland 104 tournaments in, and they haven’t managed to get their hands on a 2nd round match - JIM!!! 😂😂😂
You cannot reach the stars if you are fearful of jumping incase you fall. England play with fear of losing, of attacking for fear of being counter attacked. That crippling fear comes from a conservative manager. It might work against below par opponents but against good teams they fall time and again. They won’t happen until appoint a risk taker of a manager. Klopp, Fergie, Pep win because they are brave and encourage their players to take risks.
@camdelahuerta700
1000% correct
Exactly. They tie the match up and what do they do....go into that awful defensive shell. It was brutal.
Im American so just genuinely curious --- which of the past 4 Tournament exits have hurt the most?
'18 WC Semis v Croatia
'20 Euro Final v France
'22 WC QF v France
'24 Euro Final v Spain
Even with the potent stench of recency bias emanating from yesterday's match, I STILL feel that posterity will regard this as the most painful of the 4 Tourney exits. Just my vantage from across the pond
Anyone else checking the house to figure where the beeping is coming from?
😅😅😅 must be at a train station for some odd reason!
The difference between Spain and England is that the Spanish approach every game looking for momentum to score the goal, attacking. The English only wait for momentum based on the opponent's error defending. That doesn't work against Spain.
The 2 central midfielders Rice and that wee lad from utd have absolutely no creativity
Loyalty is about the past and not the present. It has no place in the here and now when strategising for a final. Bowen and Watkins/ Palmer should have started. Kane is slowing down. That's obvious. La Porte plays in Saudi Arabia and yet Kane did nothing against him or Le Normand (who?) to break their link with Rodri and Ruiz and disrupt the Spain 'machine'. It's not just Kane. Foden was absent AWOL last night.. Saka was pants, again. He only gets the hype because he plays for Arsenal. He's average. Bellingham looks knackered at the moment. The defence was outstanding in the first half but then fell apart in the second. Pickford is a good shot stopper but he's too small. His limbs are not long enough. He can't get to some shots that other keepers would reach, the Xavi Simon goal, the Williams goal. Lots to change and it starts with Southgate.
The irony is we could have a great manager for the next World Cup, great players, play well and then get beat again by Spain in the knockout stages! But I’d rather that than get to the final playing the way we have hand failing to win miserably
yes thats the last final for sometime, half the players should not be in the squad for world cup 2026
I don't know if the FA has the balls to sack Southgate because he's such a yes man and he protects them with the media.
The three lions song should be banned from being sung until we actually win something then sing it out loud but until a trophy is won then it should remain in the locker room
Read the words of the song. It’s about England constantly failing and us as supporters daring to dream of success.
It’s the sweet Caroline song which is the most annoying. Not even done by and artist thats English.
@@adamprint644 read the words yourself it’s coming home it’s not coming home until we’ve won something and the fans singing the song before games riles the opponent to play better than us so don’t get all high and mighty because England just aren’t good enough to win a tournament until they are allowed to play with more freedom and expression not the dreaded defensive game that’s being served up to us at the moment. Spain were allowed to express themselves freely and it shows. Yamal just turned 17 best player in the tournament by a country mile. Kane not fit playing every single game shouldn’t have been in the squad if he’s not fit Saka, overatted let me pass it backwards all the time because he wasn’t allowed to express himself Bellingham well below par. Southgate didn’t want to make to many changes because it would upset the continuity of team. Give me a break it was like watching paint dry watching England play football as a national team.
There was Wharton & Eze on the bench to help retain possession as well as Gordon & Bowen for all the balls Pickford hoofed up the pitch to nobody.
Give Southgate another contract for 5 years! 😂😂😂
Could be worse we could be Scotland.
Are you Scottish?
Harry Kane surely knew that he was nowhere near 100% fit but put his own ego before the team just as he did playing for Spurs in the champions league final against Liverpool where he also went missing. Unfortunately Southgate didnt have the balls or sense to drop him.
Don't worry my dear English maites, Eng land are the FAVORITES in 2026 WC 😂👍
You've got a lot to say who is your team??? You can't think youre clever & mouth off. Let's see you mouth off about your own team. Come on let's see you talk the talk about your team. You won't because you're pathetic we all know the sad cases who love to see others fail because they're failures themselves. It makes them feel better about themselves.. Failure. Says everything about who & what you are. I know for a fact you wouldn't say a single word to me to my face. Because you're a pathetic waste of space. How sad you are
Foden is rubbish city fan don't ever say he good again he was embarrassing with walker
@@Triple_X_X thanks but we are one of the worst teams in the world let’s be honest. England are a JOKE
Argentina got a little Messi but won 4 titles in a row, England got a Walker’s Kane to help them reach, but ultimately lose, the Finals.
HOW? Just HOW are England 7/1 to win the 2026 World Cup? 🤣🤣🤣
Dunno. We’re one of the worst teams in the entire world, we’re overrated by the media.
I think you misread it. 7-1 is the predicted scoreline when Spain beat England at the World Cup
@@supercriceto Probably 🤣👍🏻
I just blame the bookies for England's woes 😄
The problem, as a non Brit, is the media, building the team up to something they are not. Also Southgate is not a proper manager. 2 immediate faults i see!
Walker has been exposed in several games, if that was TAA, he would be hung, drawn and quartered, Walkers only ability is that he is quick.
He suits GSG style as he is defensive, TAA is to offensive, any other country would have TAA in their team to make things happen.
If I was TAA / Gordon etc, I would not want to be in the next squad if GSG stays better off having a couple of weeks rest than train to warm the bench for worse players
Oh and it cant come home, its never been here
💯 if he stays on as manager and I was Trent I’d say you have to start me or I’m not coming. Don’t waste my time
Same with Toney and Gordon. Just bench warmers what’s the point
@@Roberto-zero The same goes with Watkins and Palmer.
Spain were good in possession, and out of possession. They pressed, won the ball back and kept the damn thing! England didn't press as a team, they couldn't keep the ball for longer than ten seconds......THAT's the difference and it's not rocket science either. Final's can surprise anyone....look at Man Utd v City in the FA cup final....did anyone actually believed Utd would beat City??