Lots of the clips used here don't match up that well with the points being made and it occurred to me that these videos could easily be hours long to do them justice. Next time I do one of these videos I'll find better clips or make the video longer and more in-depth! Must do better... [grabs whip] Looking forward to reading your "here's why Elon is actually an XXXX" comments... ~ Nathan
He is 100% introvert he does not strike me as Stev job at all, we can’t forget that we as an INTJ do use our extroverted thinking to get the job done ,if we use the extroverted thinking to get the job done, wish our i turn in to E so i can see why people think Entj, but at heart we are INTJ we need our quietness our alone time.That guy do not strike me as an extrovert at all not one bit, i been a fan of him many years and iam an INTJ -A he reminds me so much of my self.
im an intp and for some reason i wanted him to be too but i gess u know better than an me and i left a comment but incase u didnt see it " didnt see that comming bithway intp here i think the reason ur channal didnt lonch as fast is the way you speak it doesnt fee natura cuts and edits everywhere and those cuts and edits make you look like your talking really fast so ppl loose interest so u dont get subs or views , try a script write it and stady it or put a little screen besides ur camera like a phone and do some live streams like trying to explain the mbti types of ppl or something like that ( be creative even if its a dump thing ppl like that) and put the introverts at the end of the video since they are the ones that watch more i think, means more watch time and... pls dont rost me on the replays because of spelling errors and would u reply back so i know u got the message "
Some musings on this vid, take it as that: Ni / Ne? Look at J and P, there will be a difference. J closes, P opens. E quickly, I slowly. EP "opens" / gathers quickly. IP "opens" / gathers slowly. Elon doesn’t “close” at all. His speech is very open-ended and connected. Te is bullet points / quick closes. His Ti is extremely high and valued. High Ni as "critic" Ni... or demonstrative Ni. His Ne is responsible and won’t come out as “typical” Ne for Ne leads comes off as, zany and wild. It serves his Ti. Ti is a very elegant function. The perfect schematic for whatever it want’s to “map.” Talks about Edison, then Edison vs. Tesla, then why he named it Tesla... Pe/Ne and Ji/Ti. That is an example of P opening vs J closing. Fan of Edison because of Edison's Se ability to bring N ideas to reality, to others... Se and Fe, PoLR and Aspirant / Inferior respectively. We hardly revel in our top two processes. We know those as the back of our hand, so much so that we don't even realize that we do. Do you get more enjoyment form theoretical discussions or having someone REALLY love your music? By more, I mean REAL enjoyment, that sense of completion, love, understanding, and belonging? INTJs with Te, are concerned about what other's think. Not as in what others may think of them, INTJs are “better” at Te than Te dominants. More responsible. But they want others to have the right information. Te in the aggregate does this. EJs are pushy, IJs less so in this regard. The pragmatics, statistics of others. He doesn't do any of this. He cares, first and foremost about what he thinks, his own comparisons. Ji = self referencing. Je = other referencing. (Really I and E, or inside reference vs. outside reference.)
Note: not that he DOESN'T care what others think. He just doesn't want to impose or fuse his thoughts with others as Te over Ti would. He does have strong T, but flows from Ti to Te. Or, he spends more time in Ti. We barely see the introverted functions, by their very nature. So when his Te does come out, it may be big and impactful, as Te tends to be. But he doesn't do that ALL the time as a high Te. Te lead will be that. Te aux will do that as one uses a tool, or for others. Elon doesn’t really talk like that at all, IMO. Ni lead even with Te may not really care about the details of a McLaren F1 or go into how many miles (give a specific) one puts on it as someone with Si valuing. Se trickster... the reality aspect of that entire car wreck situation was comical to him. INTJs would NOT laugh about that. INTJs are pretty serious about Se. They attempt to master it. It is likely that he would be devastated that he “failed” at Se / mastering reality. Just like we all attempt to master our 4th function. Okay, a lot of rambling / musings… so… INTP... who will "extravert" as ENTJ. But think of it as a special ability, it needs to fill up its gauge. A special attack! Rare but EPIC! (Note: his childhood seemed to be very lonely. He didn’t’ care to figure others out as NTJs do, want to figure out what others are doing / the pattern, then emulate the pattern in order to “fit in” - LiJo has a vid on this. Other NTJs speak of this.)
As an INTJ I guessed ENTJ, he is the me I want to be on occasion, someone who leaves the house. I like the ENTJ, they have all these crazy ideas that they put out in public that I can ponder from the safety of my chair.
Sounds like excuses to me. If you developed your Se through practice you would be better at performance than ENTJs. Also develop the Te parent as well to get shit done. I know INTJ entrepreneurs, athletes and musicians, so it's definitely achievable.
He’s not smart enough to be an INTP. He blathers but it’s the brilliant engineers and scientists, many of which probably are INTPs, with the vision and smarts explore and execute. The scientists and engineers just don’t have the outsized ego, in fact they’re smart enough to be aware of what they don’t know. They don’t care about notoriety - that’s a pointless redirect of energy from more interesting pursuits. So, he takes credit for their brilliance that they do quietly.
@@TaxingIsThieving Agreed. People sometimes confuse confidence with competence. He’s got loads of self-confidence. But the actual technical progress is the result of other people.
A huge factor that is never taken into account is that he has Asperger's Syndrome, which wires his brain differently, limiting his abilities in certain areas while boosting other abilities. Not factoring in this elephant in the room can completely throw off an authentic result. Taking this into account, it could add credence to your ENTJ outcome.
NO! He does not have Autism. That has to be one of the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Another man once said that "the normal man can never understand Genius." I guess when it comes to he is right.
He did not built the Tesla car. He bought shares in an existing company called Tesla. It is ironic in several ways. he literally is Edison, not because of his brain, but his business practices.
I assumed he was an ENTJ. He doesn't seem to have a problem opening up to people, he seems quite intelligent and focuses on understanding how things work, and he seems to be focusing more with a way of thinking about something rather than focused on how he feels about it or what someone else feels about it, and he seems to like to keep digging deeper into things and take action and keep progressing rather than just thinking and studying for a long time without doing much until he's fully prepared to know what he wants. So i think he's probably an ENTJ.
"Thinking and studying for a long time without doing much..." That sounds like an INTP. They're thirst for knowledge is unquenchable, but acting on it is optional. That's impossible for xNTJs. Te don't play that. 😄 Our Te is just slower than an ENTJ's.
@@BombshElle_7 true, and mine slower only because trying to satify Fi values, without values lot of things would be quicker to do, we see what works in society, but will not fit with Fi and Ni bigger picture. ENTJ have Te first, so she have the last word, i don't want that
@@fayssal7655 Exactly! I think Ni-Fi looping gets in the way of Te. Fi says, "This has to feel right." Ni says, "We have to plan this right." Te says, "Can we get started already?!" 😄 That's why ENTJs seem more efficient. BUT, bc their Ni comes after Te, they don't plan as well as we do. So when plans fail, they have to think of a solution on the spot, whereas INTJs has contingency plans in case the main plan fails. Lol
INTJ here. I always assumed Elon, was an INTP, but ENTJ sounds like a much better fit than an INTJ. Why? Primarily, his obvious ease with Se. I've known a couple of ENTJs, and their natural loop (which is anti-social, as with any loop, hence its easy to confuse him for an introvert): is Te-Se. In other words: they're super-productive. As an INTJ, my natural loop is Ni-Fi, so it's unsurprising that we're third most susceptible to limerence trailing only INFJ and INFP (daydreaming with Fi is the OPPOSITE of productive, lol). I also struggle with Se, as I always want to be in my Ni-which takes oxygen away from Se.
@@kokofan50 I guess he could be a super disciplined INTJ, but he PLAYS with his Se-it's not something he seems to struggle with, or even mentioned ever struggling with (if it was his aspirational, for example). As an iNtuitive first and foremost (intellectual and visionary): that suggests to me Se is part of his loop-where he goes to play. This ease with Se: is what makes ENTJ so damn productive. ENTJ does seem to explain this the best. And I've typed as ENTJ before, we are similar, with all the same functions: just shifted one. I've also seen no evidence that he has the same ease with his Fi, that I have with mine for example.
@@rocketassistedgoat1079 I’m an INTJ. I know what we’re like. He’s super disciplined. He has designed his life around his work. His standard work week 80 hours, by choice. The history of SpaceX clearly shows he’s Ni led with secondary Te.
@@kokofan50 Ok, Mr super efficient. Are you SURE you're INTJ? Sounds more like being led by Te, ie: ENTJ to me. Apparently mistypings between ENTJ and INTJ, are amongst the most common in MBTI. Ni-being the ONLY function that can only be used when truely alone and introverted, as a lead: drinks time like the space shuttle drinks fuel-I know that first hand. I also know, my loop is Ni-Fi, yet this doesn't seem to effect you either. You even seem to be quite dismissive of your Fi, which again: would suggest an inferior position (not being treated aspirationally, either). I mean, I think I'm blunt: but you really eclipse me there. What I am: is true hero Ni. I build model warships to museum standards for fun- that's 300hrs or a year for a frigate or destroyer in '350. I won the shipwright trophy for last year's attempt. It's the most difficult type of model you can build, a ship with all the extra detail. Pure Ni. That's for children, compared with the 30yrs it's taken me to teach myself how to paint in the most difficult and demanding style, with the toughest canon I could find in the history of art; 19th Century Naturalism, which I knew would give me a niche all my own, IF I could figure it out (I did, and it has, I'm the only person in the Southern Hemisphere that can paint in this style). I also do karate four times a week: yet another hobby that requires ten years AND ten thousand hrs, as a minimum for relative mastery. Plus, I love my Fi child. It is my source of joy-as it is for an INTJ. Not my working 80hrs a week, which is being VERY comfortable in Se. Almost...as if Se, is your child, and that's where you go to play...
On the go 24/7. And action and doing over perfectionist endless pondering. Elon definitely more ENTJ than INTJ. But would be nice to see more arguments for/against ENTP
I love this video. Thank you for being honest and humble. You make it CLEAR that trying to type someone from afar (by watching clips of videos, reading comments, etc.) is mostly GUESSWORK. So many people in the MBTI Community fail to get that. Last week I said, "Hey I'm an INTJ and..." And, of course, there was that one idiot who thinks he knows me better than I do that said, "No you're not. INTJs are logical and don't make jokes. You're more than likely an INFJ."😐 That is both annoying and STUPID. I wish people in this community would STOP doing this.
Only unhealthy INTJs have the arrogance to shut down other INTJs who don't fit their 'norm'. Joke away, I'm also an INTJ and LOVE a random sense of humour.
Exactly my thoughts! "You wrote this one sentence, so you're an INFP, not an INFJ". I hate people on the internet telling me who I am based on ONE statement or sentence I made. And these are mostly people who know very little about MBTI but think they know a lot. I bloody well know I am an INFJ (have studied it enough) and you don't know me. Ugh! If people actually understood how scientific research methods work, they would make this mistake far less. This is what should be taught in school rather than a bunch of unrelated facts.
@@PriHL I love how triggered you are. Wish I could see you in action! Lol But in all seriousness, you hit the nail on the head when you wroted: "...studied it enough." It took me a OVER A YEAR to figure out my type. Online test are helpful but not accurate. I had to read all 16 types, pick the ones that best matched me, learn about the cognitive functions, go through another selection process, learn about shadow functions and types, go through yet another selection process, and then FINALLY I figured out I was an INTJ. I was stuck between INTJ/ISTJ for a while. So after all of that, DON'T TELL ME I'M AN INFJ. (Love INFJs but I'm not one of them, and it took an INFJ to show me that.) 😊
INTJs don't make jokes? Are you kidding me? Dr. Gregory House is probably the hilarious yet iconic INTJ out there. I'm an INTJ and dark humour is my thing, something not everyone can relate to.
Yeah. He's an INTP with a focus on his ENTJ shadow. There's zero Se in the guy, I can't believe how people could type him as such a strong Se user. Lots of that tertiary Si
@@lagerthalothbrok6082 He also has zero Fi and is strongly motivated by Fe. How would someone whos SeFi become primarily concerned with making life multiplanetary?
once I saw him conclude ENTJ I had a feeling Elon was INTP. INTP's that delve into their ENTJ shadow are very hard to type and are often mistyped as NTJ.
One way to tell he's not an intp is that he's an idiot and has bad taste. That's not what 4th slot fe looks like and you can hear the se when he speaks. You don't even need to see an interview though, headlines are enough to type him. Csj is an enfp and he's awful at typing if that's his influence I see.
@@aetherllama8398 having a goal that includes and could benefit others isn't enough to determine fe over fi, you need alot more context. If that's all you needed everyone would be fe.
Im an intj who learned that in order to blend with normal people you need to become like them. You need to love gossips and you must speak random things with little depths. Although i dont care about how everyone feels. I still need it to my job as a team leader. You need to look as an extrovert in work and just calm your nerves after by going home and reading books, just like a normal introverts.
As someone who's led college team projects (largely because I was terrified I would fail the assignment due to my teammates' procrastination), I 100% relate. Small talk has always been rough for me. Either I'm too curt or I go into way too much depth. There's basically no middle ground. Stretch that small talk out for 1+ hours (i.e., during teamwork time when we're socializing so much that we get very little, if any, work done), and I leave exhausted.
I also agree with ENTJ. I am myself ENTJ, and read book about him. There was a lot of like negative things said about him. Like he told he's first wife that he is the leader of this family. To ENTJ this actually is not an agressive move. He felt the underlying conflict of leadership. By saying that he actually made the conflict to come on surface. Or that he worked he's spaceex team hard, but as an ENTJ teams want to work for us. It will give them ability to work on something ground braking and something that somebody told that can't be done. Also the stoic side. We don't see money as status symbol. We see money as nothing else as ability to have best possible help and tools. I would work for Elon and if he would be upset i would know there is a reason for that and if asked he would calm down very quick. As anger for ENTJ is just to get quick response from people. Thw safest people on earth with no alternitive motive. Love this guy!
I agree 100% with you and you actually confirmed some of my own beliefs. I always thought that, despite thriving in chaos, he has always been so rigid in his goal. I would also go for entj since he seems to enjoy se more than fi in the tertiary position. I think he listens to what people and sells his ideas in a very te + ni way - top visionary, but it's more one vision than multiple visions.
I'd say he's an INTJ with a very strong Te preference. I myself have been classed as an INTJ many times, and I can relate to being flashy at times about what I earn and have in terms of assets. Pondering is something that Elon does as well, as can be confirmed from Justine Musk's personal articles. He indulges in emotions way more than what has been suggested regarding ENTJs. I'd say the many stereotypes that persist around a certain type usually devolve if its a unique form of that type. As an enneagram type 8w7 INTJ, I am adept socially, to the point where most people believe I probably am not introverted, and have quite the drive. Reading his biography, I see him more of an INTJ than an ENTJ. Like you mentioned, the lines are probably blurred with an extreme personality as his.
I am ENTJ and this dude thinks exactly like me. It is scary. After a lifetime of having all your ideas rejected as "crazy" even though you know you are right don't you think that you just might learn to turn the volume down just a little just to fit in?
@@peterturner6497 I myself am an ENTJ-A and truly believe Elon is an ENTJ as well, no doubt. But let's have anyone have some freedom of speech. After all, ENTJs don't mind other people having differences of opinion and have bunch of debates. We love debates. ;-)
@@Jayturbo_ENTJ Hey yeah! I. agree 100% If it is opinion that is fine but the facts are the facts are the facts and nobody, not even God, can change the facts.
As an INTJ myself, I always had the feeling that he's an ENTJ. You analysis was quite reasonable and on-point. He's more of an "impacter" (ExTx) than observer (IxTx), more inclined to "stirring the ish" (Te) than digging deeper into the core (Ni).
I always had him for an ENTJ -- I think the most surprising thing is that he's even considered to be typed INTP; while the stereotype of a quirky nerd seems to be a trigger to label everything as such as INTP, as an INTP, there is much more about Elon Musk's personality as it pertains to the type that doesn't fit than I find identifiable, especially when it comes to reasoning.
Regarding his childhood, he wasn't alone by choice, he was basically rejected because of his differentness and had a hard time finding friends because his parents were moving all the time. As a grown-up he works 16 hours a day - not much time for day dreaming and me-time. He has 7 kids and switches from one longterm relationship to the next. He doesn't like to sleep alone. He says in interviews, that he doesn't like to be alone, it makes him feel lonely. Being asked by the interviewer, why that is the case, he answers: it's a normal human reaction, most humans don't want to be alone. Which introvert could ever say such a thing? How could anyone assume he is an introvert?
I am an introvert and I don't like to be alone all the time. Actually, I like to be around people a lot. I just feel drained afterwards and also need time for myself.
Btw I am an INTP and people say I am very open person, but at the same time that I am closed. Like, dunno if you noticed, an interviewer asked Elon if he cried or got angry. He said his sleep was difficult and then gave the other part of the answer which wasn't actually answering the question as the interviewer probably wanted him to. That's exactly what I do. I don't feel comfortable talking about my feeling, especially in public. I can tell you something, but I won't tell you the most important things.
im really weirded out because he has a very similar childhood to mine i was kinda isolated from society most of my childhood because i was regarded as "different from the other kids" (i used to be really quiet, serious, and kind of a crybaby) and i had a really hard time having any friends because my parents would move a lot because of work (the only people that i could really talk to was only my parents)
As an ENTJ, I’ve often thought he reminds me in some ways of my INTJ husband with his dry wit and visionary thinking. I can see how you could get to ENTJ from his focus/action-oriented approach, but he just has a more mastermind (INTJ) vibe than an ENTJ one to me. I’d love to know if he’s ever actually taken the Myers-Briggs test. Interesting to speculate.
I agree with you 10000%. As an ENTJ-A I have a hard time believing a lot of people saying he is an INTJ only because of a few factors. I am definitely an ENTJ but I often enjoy my solitude and love being alone but that doesn’t mean I am an INTJ. I am a huge risk taker to the point sometimes I am reckless as well (which is simply impossible for INTJs to even imitate). I take other people’s (of course, mine as well) ideas and turn them around to make big picture out them and relentlessly continue to do so. He is definitely an ENTJ. You are a great analyst! What type are you?
@Simon Binder Geez... I was responding to this and I wrote about 40 lines and I went onto another screen to do something else and with the computer error it got deleted!!!! I have to go home now (in the office right now) and re-write what I just wrote so please wait for it. I just wanted to let you know what just happened just now. - from an ENTJ.
@@Jayturbo_ENTJ Actually the moment you wrote ENTJ- A it is clear that your understanding of typology is not based on cognitive functions but based on the wrong 16personalites test on Google.
He's an 8w7 INTJ... It is natural for people to only notice te dealing with the current situation but not the Ni deciding what he has been seeing all his life
In both intj and entj,their mouth is running the nearly same rate as their mind. But Elon,he mind is way faster than his mouth, it's not just Asperger's.
Either ENTJ or INTJ could work. The way he indulge himself with sensation makes me think more INTJ. A good friend of mine is ENTJ and I'm INTJ, she can indulge into sensation but so much rarely than me. I think ENTJ with Se in third position are more mature with it, they do that only when they struggle a lot with their Fi, to forget, INTJ do that everytime they need a release, in a really childish way. It's like "I do that, that and that, so I fucking deserve to do reckless and stupid shits", ENTJ is more "Why did I do that and why people said that I showed an emotion ?". And yes, INTJ can be over-achiever, I'm always doing something, sleep rarely and constantly push me to the limit of my body cause I'm totally ignoring the alarm he gives me, my ENTJ friend is more cautious with her body, she listen to it more but she tends to ignore more often her feeling. And usually I'm more aware of why I'm doing thing, and enjoy explaining my vision, she's more about telling what she does without any explanation. I know that I'm not the usual INTJ on the internet, I'm really people focused, ended up as a leader many time in my life and enjoyed it, cause all of this matched with my vision and how accomplished it. Ni dominant put you in unusual way somtimes I think.
But half of ixxjs are also extraverted. It's not the best way to judge. half of exxps are actually more introverted. To me he leads with Ni so intj and I don't care how extraverted he is
I think personally he is an ENTJ with a very well developed Ni, which also helps him with Fi. As an ENTP that has a developed Ti, i want to be an INTP, but i can quite never be. The reverse is Oppenheimer. He is a INTP with a very high developed Ne. That makes him look like an ENTP sometimes, but just logically, you don’t get to be one of the most successful people in the world by intuition. You get successful by logic, and that logic has to be impeccable. However what seperates elon from the rest of the entj is Ni. He masters Ni (probably by the Fi interest in books he had from a younger age). It wasn’t even his intention from reading, but reading has helped him master Ni alongside Te, which becomes incredibly strong.
This was probably the best approach that I have seen in these kind of personality type analysis videos. Would love to see more, specially of those famous personalities who are usually typed in many categories.
I had the longest rant to my husband about how Elon isn't an INTP and is definitely an INTJ or ENTJ, because I saw so much Te and Ni. My husband is an ENTP and didn't give a flying flip about what type Elon Musk is, he was just having fun watching Jack Ma destroy him in that one interview. *shrugs*
@@bbjudyfit Good call. I’d said early that he wasn’t going to actually buy it, just playing big-shot with his bid. The judge was not amused and enforced full performance. Oops. Then Twitter-destroying tantrum.
He has had me so perplexed because I kept thinking of him as an introverted intuitive with emphasis on the intuitive. I keep forgetting how intuitive ENTJs can be. Of course you're right, Nathan!
I agree. He does have the intj way of moving words so to say. But his overall mannerism along with personal values shown seem so entj. Also he is constantly taking action and they aren't anything slight. Same functions so a hit or miss. But not an intp.
ENTJ usually has a very specific vision they want to bring about and will attract people who want to support (or thwart) that vision... so I'd say ENTJ fits the bill. He is a very polarizing individual with a quite specific (also unrealistic and unnecessary, though that's not always the case for every ENTJ's vision) goal for our collective future (colonizing Mars) that hoards of people blindly agree with.
@@kokofan50 living on Mars sounds like the camping trip from hell. It's not feasible. How does this equate to living well? We are on a planet covered with water and there are still water shortages. This is just the most basic thing that living on Mars would fail people on. This sounds like living hell, not "living well."
@@EmpressTarotGabbyTurner human flourishing isn’t about what’s easy or comfortable. Humans are built to struggle, and the West at the very least is in a place were that struggle is by choice. What better choice to struggle for than colonizing another planet?
@@kokofan50 Yes, I agree. We are certainly here to struggle. Isn't it enough struggle to just ensure that people on Earth are free from trauma? Certainly we don't need to introduce struggle. There's an overwhelming amount of it already here. I believe Elon Musk's true goal is to establish some sort of military base on Mars that he can profit from, or simply continue to play his video game psychopathic version of reality from.
@@kokofan50 The best way to create eudaemonia is to ensure people are physically and psychologically safe (bottom tiers of maslow's hierarchy of needs are met) and from there they have a better chance and likelihood of self-actualizing. Life on earth is inherently difficult, western world or not, there is no need to introduce struggle. That is psychopathic to think you're helping people through creating misery for them. I feel sorry for psychopaths, because they inherently cannot fully benefit from struggle as a catalyst for transcendence as they cannot access the emotionality of what struggle means
I still think INTJ. Since you can habituate traits even your weakest cognitive processes in certain environments, just like how I as an INFJ utilized my lesser sensory cognitive functions as a technician lol. We can project a certain image that differentiates from our cognitive stack often, but who a person is in a homeostatic environment is who they truly are.
He's not INTJ. He's ESTP that has attempted to synchronise his cognitive functions with a group of [associate] INTJ! Musk is a disappointing clown. Moreover, the fact that he's heavily liked and supported (to the extent of worship via forming a cult) by ESFP - is one strong indicator that he is NOT a genuine INTJ. He's just an attention-seeker salesman that has seemingly sweet talked a group of INTJ (INTP included) into helping to cultivate a convincing public image for him. Meanwhile, ESFP and other horde-minded personality types facilitate the deceit!
@@Human_01 interesting take.. I personally don't know the man so I can't speak on that.. but he also has aspergers so I'm sure that can make you look deceptive too. 🤷🏼♀️ So he could be an ENTJ.. but an ESTP is pushing it 😂 ...oh and that cult like following is because of the Ai he is probably brainwashing them with, nice parlor trick that.. 🙃 ..or??
I had some chats with a guy that types for govt intel, and they were rather fascinating. One of the topics discussed was how narcissists act and mistype themelseves as if they were INTJ, on the topic of Ni Autism goes big, people think they are the same thing when they aren't. Elon is typical unhealthy ESTJ.
As we age, we acquire more consciousness, control, and balance of our cognitive functions. If he's an INTJ, it very possible that he learned how to use Te and Se in a more efficiently, and can appear as an ENTJ. But, according to MBTI, you remain as your type forever.
No! He was always ENTJ - did you not hear the part that said that he was rejected because he was too smart but he did say it anyway? Rejection and criticism makes you less extroverted not more. I am ENTJ and even I have to turn the volume down to fit in. When I was bout 10 or 11 I once had told some kids that there must be no end to space. They didn't believe me and one said "So what happens when you get to the end of space?" I said, "you tell me." He said "I don't know." So I said, "more space." Sixty years alter I am still having that argument and "they" still don't get it. Now wouldn't you think that rejection like that would tend to make you more introverted?
One of my best friends is an ENTJ, and people are often surprised when they find out she's extraverted. Her husband is an INTJ, and they like to say that he's an extraverted introvert and she's an introverted extravert.
There is an interview where Elon is asked about his heroes at Nasa. He tears up, which INTJs wouldn't be caught dead doing on camera. Which is one of the reasons my ENFP bf (who knows far more about MBTI than I do) thinks he's INTP. He's trying not to cry, but Fe is going to Fe. I'm INTP and I know it's very hard for me to control my Fe when I need to. I try desperately because I hate it, but I still tear up.
Another example is when 60 minutes is interviewing him about the power issues in Australia. He gets so emotional. There’s also an interview where he got emotional talking about GM.
That or he’s extremely brave and willing to open up publicly. INTJs may have mental armor thinker than a super heavy tank, but when we come out of it, we’re really soft.
@@kokofan50 I think INTJs could show emotion to their *very* close loved ones, but I find it extremely difficult to believe they would be willing to do so in an interview. But yeah, INTJs can be softies with their SOs.
If someone tears up during an interview for a personal reason, it is more Fi than Fe. Fe is more of an altruistic, externally directed function which aims to accomplish harmony in the society as opposed to Fi which is more internal and based on personal values and more related to overt display of emotions as personal sentiments. In other words Fi is emotions in a more pure personal form that comes out involuntary as genuine tears.Fe is more about using your emotions as a tool for doing good in the society by altruistic works, social harmony endeavours etc. Fe is less about tearing up involuntarily during an interview on a topic. Your personal heroes, emotional values etc is more the realm of Fi. See Michael Pierce's videos to know more..
Can you talk about resources for each type - books, philosophers, philosophy most suited for each type, self help for each type, thinking process, career, suggest media movies, bands and albums, artists, writers, art for each type?
I've done this for INTJ online, just type Music Genres for INFP, Books for INFP, etc, and you will find results like in Personality Cafe. The results tend to be variable, because human differences in taste have to be factored in. I don't like heavy metal for example, and INTJs are supposed to like that.
Why people don't want to admit Elon is INTJ ? XD XD XD We INTJs are able of a lot of thing when we have a goal to achieve, even if those things are appealing extroverted or funny to people. If we need to, we can learn anything
The only question that seems relevant to me is: Does he lead with NI or TE? And it seems clear that first and foremost he looks at the bigger picture, the betterment of society for all, and the foresight to see it completed in his mind, before he jumps into execution, he first has the very specific FI goal, and that shows me that he is INTJ. As for behaviors, these can differ significantly from one person to another even if they share the same type. To me Elon Musk is clearly INTJ, because he leads with NI and not TE. As for the energy that was mentioned, INTJs when focused on an objective or goal they are passionate about, they can be more energetic, driven, and motivated than any Extroverted type, they focus all their energy on it... Definitely INTJ with Strong TE combined with FI with a sprinkle of SE... Sidenote. I truly believe when he said that Edison put his inventions out there, he meant it for the benefit of all, not from an entrepreneual standpoint, (OFC this is only speculation because the video was cut short) Great video we want more 😀
INTJ here. I always assumed Elon, was an INTP, but ENTJ sounds like a much better fit than an INTJ. Why? Primarily, his obvious ease with Se. I've known a couple of ENTJs, and their natural loop (which is anti-social, as with any loop, hence its easy to confuse him for an introvert): is Te-Se. In other words: they're super-productive. As an INTJ, my natural loop is Ni-Fi, so it's unsurprising that we're third most susceptible to limerence trailing only INFJ and INFP (daydreaming with Fi is the OPPOSITE of productive, lol). I also struggle with Se, as I always want to be in my Ni-which takes oxygen away from Se.
I think he is an intj, since we come first with the big picture, what he wanna bring to life. And then he thinks with Te how to achieve the goal. Including how to overcome intj conventional problem.
I think perhaps the most salient point made here is that it is harder to type a person from a distance. Knowing a person up close and personal makes for a much more reliable assessment. With that said, the argument for Elon being an ENTJ was still compelling.
I loved this analysis, it makes sense to me as INTJ. But I have an interesting question maybe as a counterargument, how would mental health meds affect MBTI theory? Now I have no idea if Musk takes any meds, but if we assume he's pure INTJ as a child who took meds as an adult, could that make him seem more ENTJ, INTP or maybe even alter ego ESFP, any thoughts on this?
I'm an intj, I havs to take meds before stepping out the door. This allowed me to be assertive and confident, loosened my anxiety, which made people think I am an entj
He's an intp that is unconscious focused. His entj unconscious shows up and that is why he can speak infront of groups and is very good at having multiple businesses.
I disagree with your conclusion from his contrast of Tesla with Edison. ENTPs who have been at this more than a minute understand our Tesla-like weakness of being all-over-the-place and ultimately getting little to-market. (Had that very discussion last night with my ISFJ. I know.) To solve that known problem, he looked off Edison's paper. It's very important to figure out whose paper to cheat off.
He’s an obvious INTP. And once one looks at the Unconscious Mind of INTP, one will find ENTJ. I know because I’m an INTP! Everybody gets fooled by my ENTJ subconscious, and that’s exactly why Elon Musk appears that way. But I can’t stay in ENTJ indefinitely. I must move back to the Ego to recharge because I am Introverted. If you would like more accuracy, please see C.S. Joseph’s content on RUclips.
He had an sports car and drove it 11000 miles in several years (and didn't even drove it ,he had a driver), also watch how he dressed: no jewelry/expensive sunglasses or even a watch on he's hand and the colors he choose to wear are "boring" and it's look like he don't want to draw attention.(or low awareness of fashion) Also the way he responds and not adding more subjects show us that he is responsive( introvert). He's a INTP, and as INTP myself, if I would have millions I would also bought something very expensive just to feel how it's like and likely would not extremely value the shiny things and status after I had it already as much as the ENTJ(or ESTP) would.
I have a good entj friend and hes very similar also the way he is with his kids, just not a stress or a problem and easily corrals teaches and hangs out with them.
Im pretty convinced he is not an INTJ, INTJ people try to hide everything, elon clearly is not afraid to anounce his idea's or plans for the future, INTJ's would defnitely be afraid people might misinterpret them and therefore lose people's faith
I'm an INFJ who really likes him, so I'm not sure if that's unusual or not lol. I know that the ENFJs don't seem to like him, but I guess that has more to do with their dominant function being Fe.
If you like musk, then you're certainly no INFJ, troll! 😀 That says a lot about your stance on basic ethics! So many fakes and [murderous\ptsd causing] attention-seekers!
Based on my little exposure to Elon Musk, I don't really see him as forceful and commanding as the ENTJ's I have been able to know and interact with. Based on that, I see him as a well rounded, very developed, and extremely high IQ INTJ. In any case, thanks for the video!
Thank a lot. For me, he is INTJ with high IQ too. Severals INTJ I know and follow on RUclips, and myself I notice we have the same behavior, and facial expressions. His rules are totally the INTJ way of thinking that I have too.
I think your intro is spot on. I never considered ENTJ, but it does make a lot of sense. I agree with the consensus in the comments. XNTJ that sometimes moonlights as XNTP.
I loved this video. Could you do one about Martin Luther King Jr.? I still don’t know if he’s an INFJ or an ENFJ, and nobody seems to agree online. Your opinion would be extremely valuable. Thank you! Love your content!
Most Entj when they communicate with people, really think how to articulate and put structure into their words due to Te. I can see that his Te/Fi functions are not in his main function stuck. He look more like Ti/Fe. So maybe xNTP type goes better. My guess in that he is ENTP 7w6 ILE . 7w6 sounds counterintuitive, but ENTP 7w6 (due to both 7 and 6 e types being in thinking triad) can be really really bright. In addition by growing up in an environment interested in business and engineering, and by being an NT type lean on learning new stuff, he learned to be more introverted and manage his time well. I think that this is the reason we see MUSK as a creative, conscientious being as a E5, and at the same time an opportunistic individual being able to do many things together like E7. I dont consider him at all an E5, and i have a friend in college that he has the same features. He is smart, quick - witted, he looks geeky like a 5, but at the same time he is social and engaging, ready to debate about everything. He is 100% not like a stereotypical entp 7W8, but he has many common things with it (leans a little more to book smart stuff like INTP due to 6 presence, looke a little less confident, charismatic and dominant due to 8 absence)
He is an intp ,he has huge mastery of logic it and is not focused one single thing like an ni user but runs different companies and is obvious how not generalized he is and not specialized like an ne user
It might be close between Ni-Te and Ti-Ne, although he uses Ti more like a tool for Te and Ni. But looking at the lower functions, I don't see any Si. None at all. With an INTP, it would be more visible. It's harder with Fe, as he is very good at marketing, but it could as well be Se - like ESxPs.
INTJ can also be focused on multiple things - It comes from their ENTP shadow, ableit a-lot more in the background f our psyches. For example, I am INTJ, I have multiple focuses on different projects / hobbies, But I'll spend most of my focus on ONE thing (completing a project, getting my skill level up to a certain level in a certain hobbie) while doing the least to maintain all others.
Yes, good typing. Finally! Someone with a brain! There are so many differences between introverts like us and extroverts like Elon. I have an ENTJ friend and he's way more academically successful and in life in general. He seems introverted at first as well. But you can easily mistake Te for an introverted function because you can only see it when in action, not in thinking. In thinking you see both functions. But when doing you can really see Te. Also, his Fi is kinda of childish in my opinion for an INTJ. I for one I have a pretty intricate philosophical framework that makes every belief system to be tested. One of the reasons why we as INTJs don't accomplish that much is because of our conscious Fi. We think deeply about the things that we want. While Fi inferiors like ENTJs just take things for granted. This kind of purist idealism leads us to focus more on instrumental goals than on terminal goals. The first is an INTJ primary way of thinking. Strategizing. Thinking about actions that trigger other possible avenues of expansion. An INTJ focuses on the methods. The latter, on the other hand, focuses on the final destination or end goal. ENTJs focus on their objectives. Everything is tailored towards accomplishing their objectives. They focus on the result. An INTJ would never sacrifice risking to have a bad outcome due to wrong methods used. Also, INTJs are more stoic. We like to ponder about the deeper things in life. We can get into existential crisis pretty easily due to seeing the meaningless of life. We also are really critical of others beliefs. Fe PoLR manifests itself as a lack and complete disregard of social conditioning. We don't like it when we are conditioned to do anything. If we do something is only because we want to. Just like INTPs. In fact, us INTJs in regards to the extroverted realm, are more akin to INTPs than to ENTJs, as fellow introverts. We both like to take a step back and be the observer. This ensures us the possibility of looking objectively at the situation and detecting potential errors in the methods used. We like to envision before acting, unlike ENTJs. Also, us INTJs, we feel that it is our duty not so much to control, but to delegate in spreading the message of self awareness in society. To better society not so much by our inventions, but to better it though the message that those may give. Just like Nikola Tesla. He wanted to make society a better and peaceful place, his inventions were his methods that he used in order to attain that objective. He didn't care for himself, for how others would view him or the petty disputes of social conduct. He knew that his mission is to do anything that he can do so that people will live closer to his ideals of peaceful cooperation. An INTJ mission is first and foremost to spread this message. We want for society to be cohesive and stable. Our contribution is in making sure that it is developing in the right path. You can also see this with Nikola Tesla. He knew that his inventions could be used for bad, so he destroyed some of them so that they won't get in the hands of the bad guys to use them for their purposes. Social cohesion is the upmost important objective of an INTJ. To make sure that society follows our morals and our ideals. Because they are good, and we want the best for ourselves, and like so, we want the same for society at large. The bias that INTJs are villains is flawed and wrong, and Nikola Tesla is a living proof of the opposite. Now, the same argument for Elon being an Ni user can be made for Tesla as well, as every action of his was meticulously planned and it was not left to chance like Ne users do. Ni creates it's own luck, it doesn't depend on external luck like Ne. I hope that this would suffice in regards to our differences between our mirror type, the ENTJ. Again, great analysis Nathan! It seems as ESFPs are really good analysts. I predicted your typing from the start of the video. Also, could you do a similar analysis video for Bill Gates and Steve Jobs? Thanks in advance and cheers! -an INTJ
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INT/FJ/P. T/F because of he's idealistic manner which is strongly feeling fueled in example twitter posts which are mostly just an irony/fun and J/P because for me he's an actor which wants to be a leader but in many cases he's just a dreamer which tells about his visions and he doesn't sounds like he want to convince anyone to he's thoughts
I used to read "everything" is what I would call it, to save time so I could get back to reading. Usually 5-6 books a day, while writing and watching a show and having a conversation or two, or more books in a day without doing some of that. I would not be comforted by a lack of photos being what dark is, though I would understand it; because, logically, the lack of photos make it harder to see and more easy for something that sees well with less photons being availalbe to sneak up on me. The understanding does not change the danger of the dark. Toes still get stubbed and coyotes still bite.
He’s clearly and INTJ. In an interview with Bob Zubrin, founder and head of the Mars Society, he clearly says he doesn’t care about SpaceX beating the other launch providers. SpaceX was created to realize his vision of getting humans to Mars, and they’ve just so happen to have become the most prolific private launch provider. That’s Ni dominance and secondary Te at work. What’s confusing people is that he’s an INTJ who has been either very stressed or bored. These bring out the Se tendencies of INTJs as a way of distracting them.
Well,you can use this way and what u said explain and concluding he is other types or intp,too. Cause you are just descripted and no related to any theory of MBTI and Function. That just like I said 1+1=3 because 1is 1 so it equal 3.
@@Iceman219 mm I dont know what to say except he is not an istp lol. I am bad at explaining. No istp would go out of their way to do what he is doing. what he is doing is far too big brain. I'll tag you in my comment where I explain why I think he is an intp and not an entj.
@@Iceman219 ok im sorry but turns out I can't tag you in the comment. I think csj typed him very well and correctly, but I do not think all csjs typings are correct. I believe elon is an entj shadow focused intp. as an istp I am far more grounded, and although I can learn abt whatever elon is doing, I would need far more Ne to explore all possibilities and achieve elon's feats that scientists once denied were even possible. I have Ne blind! I'm a stick for you to whack around. manipulate and use me pls but don't ask me to think of possibilities that are not grounded enough in reality. you would also need a plan if you are going to have multiple companies. I never plan, my Ni is kind of a one at a time thing
Videos like this are why the MBTI won’t ever get into mainstream media. When people try make introverted and extroverted say “oh they can be socially awkward and still be an extrovert.” it just shows how unreliable and poor the validation is. MBTI channels like this use stereotypes. I’m unsubscribing because channels like this just divide the MBTI community even further and further make the MBTI look unreliable. INTPs can stick to things. If Elon Musk is an extrovert then I guess Abraham Lincoln is ENTP, Warren Buffet is an ESTJ just because he owns a company and talks to people, and it’s ridiculous how much people divide about it. Also NATHAN can’t know the difference between an ISTJ and INTP since he thinks all INTPs are lazy like ISTJs
You’re contradicting yourself. You seem to be using the stereotype of extroverts having better social skills then talk about how the arguments in the video use stereotypes.
Musk said that sleep "one night" alone was hard and a suffering for him at a time where he was between two girlfriends or whatever. Beyond the emotional trouble of a breakup, an introvert would not be so much "disturbed" by the fact to have to stay alone.
he's so obviously an INTJ 5W6, idk why are we even talking about this. so much Ni future thinking, vision and problem solving + so much Te with obsolutely zero extroverted feeling.
ENTJ also can have massive NI since it is in their second slot. INTJ like to stay in the background as masterminds. I was married to a highly intelligent INTJ. He didn’t like the spotlight, typical of INTJ.
Well, I have a strong ENTJ personality, but when I am in a situation where I am not totally comfortable and my confidence is not high, I come off as shy too. I dont want people to see my flaws. My FI is at the bottom of my stack and it can raise it's ugly head. INTJ men are typically quite confident people. They may not be outgoing socially, but they come off quite arrogant at times, like they are the smartest person in the room.
You have me swayed more ENTJ than INTJ now. Your argument is sound. He could be either, granted. INTJs are ruthless when it comes down goal achieving, but the nonstop on-the-go lifestyle .. I got drained just listening to you talk about it. I would think an INTJ would find ways around that. Minions if you will, you do that part. I go to the grocery store and I need about 10 minutes to decompress when I get home. I can't imagine living through what he does. /intj
INTJ here.I get drained too by always-on-the-go lifestyle.It's got worst after covid lockdowns. Pre-covid I used to be more outgoing but now....... omg hell no. This month I had 3 social gatherings per week and each week I had a meltdown. I can just meet 1 friend at a time on a monthly basis otherwise I get overwhelmed.
please do the princess diana one, its been an ill debate in our community throughout the web to figure out whether she is an INFP or ISFP. i hope you can bring harmony to this war!
Interesting, I can only see either ISFP or ESFP for her. Introverted extravert if ESFP, but I do not see Ne in her. She seemed more Se -- liked beautiful things and extravagant vacations, luxuries, etc. in spite of her humanitarian (Fi) drive.
@@tnic3255 i actually dont doubt the Fi dom consensus. but to be fair, i am still on the fence about the Ne and Se debate. the documented evidence of her public appearances and outwardly actions are giving the easy objectives to spot her Se, but I can't help and argue too (not right here) that her Ne is showing strong when you actually start to study her life through her more personal journey; especially the way she describes and perceive her life, but it takes a deeper look and people hardly notice that. hence, in this very issue, i am really looking forward to see someone like Nathan give his thoughts and perspective. after watching this one, at least i hope he would bring up the missing pieces we failed to see. i just dont want her to be furtherly misunderstood, God knows she's had enough of that.
@@halalgordonramsay4983 Good points! She was one of a kind -- hitting all stacks :) ;) Loved Princess Diana too, and yes, would love to get a really good typing on her. I think Nathan would be the one!
@@halalgordonramsay4983 So after sitting on this, I had an insight...I wonder if Diana is ISFP, therefore she is more flexible in her Se and Ni, and capable of deeper Ni insights than ESFP, but also some other ISFP who are in their play/Se more. Given her depression and other issues, she was certainly very reflective and insightful about the bigger picture of what matters in life -- helping others, taking care of their emotional states, etc. The problem I have with INFP is that I don't know any INFPs who engage in the active life she also had with hitting the gym, boating, skiing, and generally enjoying sensory experiences. They are really deficient there, I think. Hard to get them to be physically active, even when you offer to plan.
He is an XNTJ larping as an INTP, he is LSI in Socionics but he is pretending to be an ILE / LIE(Victor Gulenko typed him LSI). He is very deceptive. You don't need knowledge on MBTI/Socionics to behave differently he is emphasizing on his mediocre qualities to shadow his actual strong properties. :)
It would be interesting to see him "out in the wild." Do you think his behavior may be interpreted as deceptive when it is just clumsy, PoLR Se and Suggestive Fe seeming inauthentic?
@@gooddaygene8355 He isn't LII though(not likely anyways lmao). Who knows really, but the odds suggest no, It seems very intentional and forced (AND contrary to the background portrayed in his biography).
@@thepanthar I am an SP. So I will go with what I can (Se)e;) Just like you will favor your primary functions. Just like we all do:) Socionics is great. I enjoy it and think there is a lot of valuable information. However, a huge aspect to keep in mind is the culture that it originated from. So all the descriptors are through that lens. That former Soviet lens. Having spent my first 7 years in that culture, and subsequent youth with the immigrants from there as well (being one myself:) I can see where things get lost in cultural translation. But then, this through my own lens. We all have them. Furthermore. How do we know he is "pretending" anything? Why trust a biography that takes someone's interpretation which is already removed from reality. Then, filtered through however many editors and further removed and finally read by the reader. The words on the page must then be interpreted by our own functional bias and assembled into meaning / reality. So that is three or four steps removed from actual reality? How much gets lost? LSI... I would agree with Ti lead. But he is too awkward with Se to be creative with it. He has zero Se flow or force of presence.
@@gooddaygene8355 Yes you are correct, cultural norms should be kept in mind although the IMEs are universally applicable the *WAY* how they are utilized is likely not. The link established between is that different cultures may utilize IMEs differently(and yes it may impact their decisions/beliefs) but they are still using the same thing. For example your hands can be used in more than one way. I think truth lost to interpretation is more likely an occurrence in words conveyed in abstract fashion that are open to interpretation rather than concrete/literal ones such as a Biography that a person has go in detail about himself for others to pickup on it rather than an abstract thought/theory lacking experience and only imaginary so I doubt much is lost. the Ti subtype of LSI can look like LII, the creative function is not as visible as the base function(especially if the person is likely concealing it). Although as even this video suggests Elon is very dedicated and unwilling to make compromises towards his visions (Ni HA) this points towards Ne PoLR since he is not open minded. To answer your initial question in a better way, I would say it is unlikely since LSIs according to Gulenko who I deem to be a credible source are good at witty humor too which is what people attribute to his Ne but that is the extent of it. Elon does value Ni as a more prominent aspect of who he is(or at least claims to be), while the demonstrative is strong it still isn't a function of value. I think it is 'unlikely' but yes it is possible :)
@@thepanthar Awww, shoot. Looks my reply didn't post. Okay take two. IMEs are set. I agree. I think they are better defined in Socionics than MBTI type of systems as well. What are your reasons against Elon having Ni demonstrative? 4d, as apparent or pronounced as lead. Also, more stubborn in a way. Te pragmatism is just more "in your face" and closed ended, bullet point communication. Done onto the next point. Also faster, when tied with Se force as would befit a gamma. Elon is so sloooow.
As an INTJ I definitively prefer staying in second row and get my things done from there, he is much more extrovert and enjoys himself being in the spotlight.
He is INTP. (P) being the visionary (Einstein). Introvert being the stuttering when he speaks, as he is trying to compensate for the quietness. Intuition being trapped in his mind. Thinking being, he focus on science rather than feeling. I’m an INTP and I constantly stutter when I speak in most social settings, if I do not know the person- and my mind is also a storm constantly full of ideas, and my mind moves quicker than my mouth, hence the stuttering.
he has said he has asperger’s and that syndrome is more common in INTP’s, which could be what makes him come across that way. Apparently ADD is more common in INTJ’s. He could easily be an INTJ with asperger’s, that makes him come across as an INTP. Ni makes sense to me. He is clearly a visionary who is quite organised (Ni/Te at least realistic). I know of quite a few INTP’s, some personally, and they are interested in breaking things down… not at all in grand scheming. Just experience. I think the asperger’s could be what is throwing people off. He does have a very INTP like demeanour.
Thank youu! I always thought of him as ENTJ, no idea why the majority would think his dominant function is introverted (INTJ, INTP, ISTP/J). He values efficiency (first principle approach) and is thinking about how to advance humanity (SpaceX, sustainable energy generation and transport) he’s good at explaining his thoughts (why he does the things the way he does and for what purpose), isnt that clearly dominant Te? Also if one read the interview he gave to Rolling Stone in 2017 where he said he hates to be alone (I don’t remember the article very well anymore), one could see that his inferior function is Fi; wanting to be in a relationship really bad but having issues to make it work. I’m not sure if INTJs care to be in a relationship really bad and hate being alone.
I think Elon Musk is very hard to type. He is a very complex individual and his behaviour has changed much between early-career Musk and later-career Musk. After a lot of time reading into him, I think he is an ENTP who looks like he values Ni, but actually doesn't. He has managed to bring out Ni in support of Ne motivations. ENTJ does not explain the full range of data available on Musk, but better explains a limited amount of public data in a set period of time (when he was working ridiculously hard to get his businesses set up, and telling everyone about future disasters). In contrast, ENTP is able to explain the full range of data (how he has become very distracted since with a broad range of other, seemingly frivolous and unlikely projects, and also his desire to give up personal property in order to placate public criticism), while accepting that at some points in his career, he has not been fully sincere or perhaps simply not aware of WHY he is doing what he is doing. Additionally ENTP with Fi as the blind spot, and Si as the inferior function, much better describes his insufficiencies in his personal life than ENTJ. He needs physical, supportive company, hates to feel physically alone, but frequently overlooks matters of personal boundaries and attitudes.
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Lots of the clips used here don't match up that well with the points being made and it occurred to me that these videos could easily be hours long to do them justice. Next time I do one of these videos I'll find better clips or make the video longer and more in-depth! Must do better... [grabs whip]
Looking forward to reading your "here's why Elon is actually an XXXX" comments...
~ Nathan
you should type chris langan next
He is 100% introvert he does not strike me as Stev job at all, we can’t forget that we as an INTJ do use our extroverted thinking to get the job done ,if we use the extroverted thinking to get the job done, wish our i turn in to E so i can see why people think Entj, but at heart we are INTJ we need our quietness our alone time.That guy do not strike me as an extrovert at all not one bit, i been a fan of him many years and iam an INTJ -A he reminds me so much of my self.
im an intp and for some reason i wanted him to be too but i gess u know better than an me
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intp here i think the reason ur channal didnt lonch as fast is the way you speak it doesnt fee natura cuts and edits everywhere and those cuts and edits make you look like your talking really fast so ppl loose interest so u dont get subs or views , try a script write it and stady it or put a little screen besides ur camera like a phone and do some live streams like trying to explain the mbti types of ppl or something like that ( be creative even if its a dump thing ppl like that) and put the introverts at the end of the video since they are the ones that watch more i think, means more watch time and...
pls dont rost me on the replays because of spelling errors
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stopped reading after whip comment... oh, the imagery! it cannot be unimagined! 😶
Some musings on this vid, take it as that:
Ni / Ne? Look at J and P, there will be a difference. J closes, P opens. E quickly, I slowly. EP "opens" / gathers quickly. IP "opens" / gathers slowly. Elon doesn’t “close” at all. His speech is very open-ended and connected. Te is bullet points / quick closes. His Ti is extremely high and valued. High Ni as "critic" Ni... or demonstrative Ni. His Ne is responsible and won’t come out as “typical” Ne for Ne leads comes off as, zany and wild. It serves his Ti. Ti is a very elegant function. The perfect schematic for whatever it want’s to “map.”
Talks about Edison, then Edison vs. Tesla, then why he named it Tesla... Pe/Ne and Ji/Ti. That is an example of P opening vs J closing. Fan of Edison because of Edison's Se ability to bring N ideas to reality, to others... Se and Fe, PoLR and Aspirant / Inferior respectively. We hardly revel in our top two processes. We know those as the back of our hand, so much so that we don't even realize that we do. Do you get more enjoyment form theoretical discussions or having someone REALLY love your music? By more, I mean REAL enjoyment, that sense of completion, love, understanding, and belonging?
INTJs with Te, are concerned about what other's think. Not as in what others may think of them, INTJs are “better” at Te than Te dominants. More responsible. But they want others to have the right information. Te in the aggregate does this. EJs are pushy, IJs less so in this regard. The pragmatics, statistics of others. He doesn't do any of this. He cares, first and foremost about what he thinks, his own comparisons. Ji = self referencing. Je = other referencing. (Really I and E, or inside reference vs. outside reference.)
Note: not that he DOESN'T care what others think. He just doesn't want to impose or fuse his thoughts with others as Te over Ti would. He does have strong T, but flows from Ti to Te. Or, he spends more time in Ti. We barely see the introverted functions, by their very nature. So when his Te does come out, it may be big and impactful, as Te tends to be. But he doesn't do that ALL the time as a high Te. Te lead will be that. Te aux will do that as one uses a tool, or for others. Elon doesn’t really talk like that at all, IMO.
Ni lead even with Te may not really care about the details of a McLaren F1 or go into how many miles (give a specific) one puts on it as someone with Si valuing. Se trickster... the reality aspect of that entire car wreck situation was comical to him. INTJs would NOT laugh about that. INTJs are pretty serious about Se. They attempt to master it. It is likely that he would be devastated that he “failed” at Se / mastering reality. Just like we all attempt to master our 4th function.
Okay, a lot of rambling / musings… so…
INTP... who will "extravert" as ENTJ. But think of it as a special ability, it needs to fill up its gauge. A special attack! Rare but EPIC! (Note: his childhood seemed to be very lonely. He didn’t’ care to figure others out as NTJs do, want to figure out what others are doing / the pattern, then emulate the pattern in order to “fit in” - LiJo has a vid on this. Other NTJs speak of this.)
As an INTJ I guessed ENTJ, he is the me I want to be on occasion, someone who leaves the house. I like the ENTJ, they have all these crazy ideas that they put out in public that I can ponder from the safety of my chair.
Sounds like excuses to me. If you developed your Se through practice you would be better at performance than ENTJs. Also develop the Te parent as well to get shit done. I know INTJ entrepreneurs, athletes and musicians, so it's definitely achievable.
Literally
He’s not smart enough to be an INTP. He blathers but it’s the brilliant engineers and scientists, many of which probably are INTPs, with the vision and smarts explore and execute. The scientists and engineers just don’t have the outsized ego, in fact they’re smart enough to be aware of what they don’t know. They don’t care about notoriety - that’s a pointless redirect of energy from more interesting pursuits. So, he takes credit for their brilliance that they do quietly.
@@Jessica-kk1cz Yes, he's repulsively hedonistic.
@@TaxingIsThieving Agreed. People sometimes confuse confidence with competence. He’s got loads of self-confidence. But the actual technical progress is the result of other people.
A huge factor that is never taken into account is that he has Asperger's Syndrome, which wires his brain differently, limiting his abilities in certain areas while boosting other abilities. Not factoring in this elephant in the room can completely throw off an authentic result.
Taking this into account, it could add credence to your ENTJ outcome.
Also, bipolar possibly.
@@timandersen8030 I highly doubt that, personally.
NO! He does not have Autism. That has to be one of the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Another man once said that "the normal man can never understand Genius." I guess when it comes to he is right.
@@peterturner6497 what makes you say that? It's pretty damned obvious if you understand the traits.
wrong
Sorry that I don't know much about Elon Musk, so I laughed so hard when he said Edison was his role model (and built a car named Tesla)😂
Very businessman-like decision since he is an ENTJ. I do the same thing. Often times, what I do and what I think plays differently, too.
He did not built the Tesla car. He bought shares in an existing company called Tesla. It is ironic in several ways. he literally is Edison, not because of his brain, but his business practices.
I assumed he was an ENTJ. He doesn't seem to have a problem opening up to people, he seems quite intelligent and focuses on understanding how things work, and he seems to be focusing more with a way of thinking about something rather than focused on how he feels about it or what someone else feels about it, and he seems to like to keep digging deeper into things and take action and keep progressing rather than just thinking and studying for a long time without doing much until he's fully prepared to know what he wants.
So i think he's probably an ENTJ.
Your vision of INTJ scares me :D sounds like you was saying he is not INTP
"Thinking and studying for a long time without doing much..." That sounds like an INTP. They're thirst for knowledge is unquenchable, but acting on it is optional. That's impossible for xNTJs. Te don't play that. 😄 Our Te is just slower than an ENTJ's.
@@BombshElle_7 true, and mine slower only because trying to satify Fi values, without values lot of things would be quicker to do, we see what works in society, but will not fit with Fi and Ni bigger picture. ENTJ have Te first, so she have the last word, i don't want that
@@fayssal7655 Exactly! I think Ni-Fi looping gets in the way of Te. Fi says, "This has to feel right." Ni says, "We have to plan this right." Te says, "Can we get started already?!" 😄 That's why ENTJs seem more efficient. BUT, bc their Ni comes after Te, they don't plan as well as we do. So when plans fail, they have to think of a solution on the spot, whereas INTJs has contingency plans in case the main plan fails. Lol
@@BombshElle_7 Exactly, our Te is backed buy the Ni understanding of the whole structure. easy backup plans
INTJ here. I always assumed Elon, was an INTP, but ENTJ sounds like a much better fit than an INTJ. Why? Primarily, his obvious ease with Se. I've known a couple of ENTJs, and their natural loop (which is anti-social, as with any loop, hence its easy to confuse him for an introvert): is Te-Se. In other words: they're super-productive. As an INTJ, my natural loop is Ni-Fi, so it's unsurprising that we're third most susceptible to limerence trailing only INFJ and INFP (daydreaming with Fi is the OPPOSITE of productive, lol). I also struggle with Se, as I always want to be in my Ni-which takes oxygen away from Se.
He’s and INTJ acting like an ENTJ.
@@kokofan50 I guess he could be a super disciplined INTJ, but he PLAYS with his Se-it's not something he seems to struggle with, or even mentioned ever struggling with (if it was his aspirational, for example). As an iNtuitive first and foremost (intellectual and visionary): that suggests to me Se is part of his loop-where he goes to play. This ease with Se: is what makes ENTJ so damn productive. ENTJ does seem to explain this the best. And I've typed as ENTJ before, we are similar, with all the same functions: just shifted one. I've also seen no evidence that he has the same ease with his Fi, that I have with mine for example.
@@rocketassistedgoat1079 I’m an INTJ. I know what we’re like.
He’s super disciplined. He has designed his life around his work. His standard work week 80 hours, by choice.
The history of SpaceX clearly shows he’s Ni led with secondary Te.
@@kokofan50 Ok, Mr super efficient. Are you SURE you're INTJ? Sounds more like being led by Te, ie: ENTJ to me. Apparently mistypings between ENTJ and INTJ, are amongst the most common in MBTI. Ni-being the ONLY function that can only be used when truely alone and introverted, as a lead: drinks time like the space shuttle drinks fuel-I know that first hand. I also know, my loop is Ni-Fi, yet this doesn't seem to effect you either. You even seem to be quite dismissive of your Fi, which again: would suggest an inferior position (not being treated aspirationally, either). I mean, I think I'm blunt: but you really eclipse me there.
What I am: is true hero Ni. I build model warships to museum standards for fun- that's 300hrs or a year for a frigate or destroyer in '350. I won the shipwright trophy for last year's attempt. It's the most difficult type of model you can build, a ship with all the extra detail. Pure Ni. That's for children, compared with the 30yrs it's taken me to teach myself how to paint in the most difficult and demanding style, with the toughest canon I could find in the history of art; 19th Century Naturalism, which I knew would give me a niche all my own, IF I could figure it out (I did, and it has, I'm the only person in the Southern Hemisphere that can paint in this style). I also do karate four times a week: yet another hobby that requires ten years AND ten thousand hrs, as a minimum for relative mastery. Plus, I love my Fi child. It is my source of joy-as it is for an INTJ. Not my working 80hrs a week, which is being VERY comfortable in Se. Almost...as if Se, is your child, and that's where you go to play...
He's an INTP
INTJ here. Never bought the idea that he's an INTJ. I agree he's more like an ENTJ.
On the go 24/7. And action and doing over perfectionist endless pondering. Elon definitely more ENTJ than INTJ.
But would be nice to see more arguments for/against ENTP
I love this video. Thank you for being honest and humble. You make it CLEAR that trying to type someone from afar (by watching clips of videos, reading comments, etc.) is mostly GUESSWORK. So many people in the MBTI Community fail to get that.
Last week I said, "Hey I'm an INTJ and..." And, of course, there was that one idiot who thinks he knows me better than I do that said, "No you're not. INTJs are logical and don't make jokes. You're more than likely an INFJ."😐 That is both annoying and STUPID. I wish people in this community would STOP doing this.
Only unhealthy INTJs have the arrogance to shut down other INTJs who don't fit their 'norm'. Joke away, I'm also an INTJ and LOVE a random sense of humour.
@@olivia-performanceartist3693 Thx girly
Exactly my thoughts!
"You wrote this one sentence, so you're an INFP, not an INFJ". I hate people on the internet telling me who I am based on ONE statement or sentence I made. And these are mostly people who know very little about MBTI but think they know a lot. I bloody well know I am an INFJ (have studied it enough) and you don't know me. Ugh!
If people actually understood how scientific research methods work, they would make this mistake far less. This is what should be taught in school rather than a bunch of unrelated facts.
@@PriHL I love how triggered you are. Wish I could see you in action! Lol But in all seriousness, you hit the nail on the head when you wroted: "...studied it enough." It took me a OVER A YEAR to figure out my type. Online test are helpful but not accurate. I had to read all 16 types, pick the ones that best matched me, learn about the cognitive functions, go through another selection process, learn about shadow functions and types, go through yet another selection process, and then FINALLY I figured out I was an INTJ. I was stuck between INTJ/ISTJ for a while. So after all of that, DON'T TELL ME I'M AN INFJ. (Love INFJs but I'm not one of them, and it took an INFJ to show me that.) 😊
INTJs don't make jokes? Are you kidding me? Dr. Gregory House is probably the hilarious yet iconic INTJ out there. I'm an INTJ and dark humour is my thing, something not everyone can relate to.
Weird how I think he could be an ENTJ or an INTP. If he's ENTJ he seems kinda... devolved. But as an INTP he seems evolved. So idk. 😂
Yeah. He's an INTP with a focus on his ENTJ shadow. There's zero Se in the guy, I can't believe how people could type him as such a strong Se user. Lots of that tertiary Si
@@lagerthalothbrok6082 He also has zero Fi and is strongly motivated by Fe. How would someone whos SeFi become primarily concerned with making life multiplanetary?
once I saw him conclude ENTJ I had a feeling Elon was INTP. INTP's that delve into their ENTJ shadow are very hard to type and are often mistyped as NTJ.
One way to tell he's not an intp is that he's an idiot and has bad taste. That's not what 4th slot fe looks like and you can hear the se when he speaks. You don't even need to see an interview though, headlines are enough to type him.
Csj is an enfp and he's awful at typing if that's his influence I see.
@@aetherllama8398 having a goal that includes and could benefit others isn't enough to determine fe over fi, you need alot more context. If that's all you needed everyone would be fe.
Im an intj who learned that in order to blend with normal people you need to become like them. You need to love gossips and you must speak random things with little depths. Although i dont care about how everyone feels. I still need it to my job as a team leader. You need to look as an extrovert in work and just calm your nerves after by going home and reading books, just like a normal introverts.
As someone who's led college team projects (largely because I was terrified I would fail the assignment due to my teammates' procrastination), I 100% relate. Small talk has always been rough for me. Either I'm too curt or I go into way too much depth. There's basically no middle ground. Stretch that small talk out for 1+ hours (i.e., during teamwork time when we're socializing so much that we get very little, if any, work done), and I leave exhausted.
I also agree with ENTJ. I am myself ENTJ, and read book about him. There was a lot of like negative things said about him. Like he told he's first wife that he is the leader of this family. To ENTJ this actually is not an agressive move. He felt the underlying conflict of leadership. By saying that he actually made the conflict to come on surface.
Or that he worked he's spaceex team hard, but as an ENTJ teams want to work for us. It will give them ability to work on something ground braking and something that somebody told that can't be done.
Also the stoic side. We don't see money as status symbol. We see money as nothing else as ability to have best possible help and tools. I would work for Elon and if he would be upset i would know there is a reason for that and if asked he would calm down very quick. As anger for ENTJ is just to get quick response from people. Thw safest people on earth with no alternitive motive. Love this guy!
I agree 100% with you and you actually confirmed some of my own beliefs. I always thought that, despite thriving in chaos, he has always been so rigid in his goal. I would also go for entj since he seems to enjoy se more than fi in the tertiary position. I think he listens to what people and sells his ideas in a very te + ni way - top visionary, but it's more one vision than multiple visions.
I'd say he's an INTJ with a very strong Te preference. I myself have been classed as an INTJ many times, and I can relate to being flashy at times about what I earn and have in terms of assets. Pondering is something that Elon does as well, as can be confirmed from Justine Musk's personal articles. He indulges in emotions way more than what has been suggested regarding ENTJs. I'd say the many stereotypes that persist around a certain type usually devolve if its a unique form of that type. As an enneagram type 8w7 INTJ, I am adept socially, to the point where most people believe I probably am not introverted, and have quite the drive. Reading his biography, I see him more of an INTJ than an ENTJ. Like you mentioned, the lines are probably blurred with an extreme personality as his.
I am ENTJ and this dude thinks exactly like me. It is scary.
After a lifetime of having all your ideas rejected as "crazy" even though you know you are right don't you think that you just might learn to turn the volume down just a little just to fit in?
@@peterturner6497 I myself am an ENTJ-A and truly believe Elon is an ENTJ as well, no doubt. But let's have anyone have some freedom of speech. After all, ENTJs don't mind other people having differences of opinion and have bunch of debates. We love debates. ;-)
@@Jayturbo_ENTJ Hey yeah! I. agree 100% If it is opinion that is fine but the facts are the facts are the facts and nobody, not even God, can change the facts.
There's no such thing as a "very strong preference". That's a dominant function.
As an INTJ myself, I always had the feeling that he's an ENTJ. You analysis was quite reasonable and on-point. He's more of an "impacter" (ExTx) than observer (IxTx), more inclined to "stirring the ish" (Te) than digging deeper into the core (Ni).
This video definitely makes me think he is some sort of XNTJ, but unconvinced if he uses Te over Ni to confirm he is an ENTJ
I always had him for an ENTJ -- I think the most surprising thing is that he's even considered to be typed INTP; while the stereotype of a quirky nerd seems to be a trigger to label everything as such as INTP, as an INTP, there is much more about Elon Musk's personality as it pertains to the type that doesn't fit than I find identifiable, especially when it comes to reasoning.
That's our golden pair so it can be confused, the Asperger's probably paved the way for that assumption.
Regarding his childhood, he wasn't alone by choice, he was basically rejected because of his differentness and had a hard time finding friends because his parents were moving all the time. As a grown-up he works 16 hours a day - not much time for day dreaming and me-time. He has 7 kids and switches from one longterm relationship to the next. He doesn't like to sleep alone. He says in interviews, that he doesn't like to be alone, it makes him feel lonely. Being asked by the interviewer, why that is the case, he answers: it's a normal human reaction, most humans don't want to be alone. Which introvert could ever say such a thing? How could anyone assume he is an introvert?
I am an introvert and I don't like to be alone all the time. Actually, I like to be around people a lot. I just feel drained afterwards and also need time for myself.
Btw I am an INTP and people say I am very open person, but at the same time that I am closed. Like, dunno if you noticed, an interviewer asked Elon if he cried or got angry. He said his sleep was difficult and then gave the other part of the answer which wasn't actually answering the question as the interviewer probably wanted him to. That's exactly what I do. I don't feel comfortable talking about my feeling, especially in public. I can tell you something, but I won't tell you the most important things.
im really weirded out because he has a very similar childhood to mine
i was kinda isolated from society most of my childhood because i was regarded as "different from the other kids" (i used to be really quiet, serious, and kind of a crybaby) and i had a really hard time having any friends because my parents would move a lot because of work (the only people that i could really talk to was only my parents)
inferiority ridden people, wanting to associate every people they deem as 'geniuses' /'successful' with themselves?
As an ENTJ, I’ve often thought he reminds me in some ways of my INTJ husband with his dry wit and visionary thinking. I can see how you could get to ENTJ from his focus/action-oriented approach, but he just has a more mastermind (INTJ) vibe than an ENTJ one to me. I’d love to know if he’s ever actually taken the Myers-Briggs test. Interesting to speculate.
I agree with you 10000%. As an ENTJ-A I have a hard time believing a lot of people saying he is an INTJ only because of a few factors. I am definitely an ENTJ but I often enjoy my solitude and love being alone but that doesn’t mean I am an INTJ. I am a huge risk taker to the point sometimes I am reckless as well (which is simply impossible for INTJs to even imitate). I take other people’s (of course, mine as well) ideas and turn them around to make big picture out them and relentlessly continue to do so. He is definitely an ENTJ. You are a great analyst! What type are you?
He is an INTP (I'm talking about Love Who).
@Simon Binder Geez... I was responding to this and I wrote about 40 lines and I went onto another screen to do something else and with the computer error it got deleted!!!! I have to go home now (in the office right now) and re-write what I just wrote so please wait for it. I just wanted to let you know what just happened just now. - from an ENTJ.
@@Jayturbo_ENTJ Actually the moment you wrote ENTJ- A it is clear that your understanding of typology is not based on cognitive functions but based on the wrong 16personalites test on Google.
I really hope that I could meet and ENTJ irl, I really envy your productivity guys -INTP
@@daisydaisy246 Yeah it’s really hard to find a true ENTJ in person. :)
I love these in-depth typing videos
Intp with a strong / matured entj shadow
He's an 8w7 INTJ... It is natural for people to only notice te dealing with the current situation but not the Ni deciding what he has been seeing all his life
explain 8w7
I’d agree with 8.
I knew he was an ENTJ
In both intj and entj,their mouth is
running the nearly same rate as
their mind.
But Elon,he mind is way faster than
his mouth, it's not just Asperger's.
Either ENTJ or INTJ could work. The way he indulge himself with sensation makes me think more INTJ. A good friend of mine is ENTJ and I'm INTJ, she can indulge into sensation but so much rarely than me. I think ENTJ with Se in third position are more mature with it, they do that only when they struggle a lot with their Fi, to forget, INTJ do that everytime they need a release, in a really childish way. It's like "I do that, that and that, so I fucking deserve to do reckless and stupid shits", ENTJ is more "Why did I do that and why people said that I showed an emotion ?". And yes, INTJ can be over-achiever, I'm always doing something, sleep rarely and constantly push me to the limit of my body cause I'm totally ignoring the alarm he gives me, my ENTJ friend is more cautious with her body, she listen to it more but she tends to ignore more often her feeling. And usually I'm more aware of why I'm doing thing, and enjoy explaining my vision, she's more about telling what she does without any explanation. I know that I'm not the usual INTJ on the internet, I'm really people focused, ended up as a leader many time in my life and enjoyed it, cause all of this matched with my vision and how accomplished it. Ni dominant put you in unusual way somtimes I think.
I definitely thought of Musk as more of an extroverted type than introverted type, so ENTJ makes so much sense to me
But half of ixxjs are also extraverted. It's not the best way to judge. half of exxps are actually more introverted. To me he leads with Ni so intj and I don't care how extraverted he is
I think personally he is an ENTJ with a very well developed Ni, which also helps him with Fi. As an ENTP that has a developed Ti, i want to be an INTP, but i can quite never be. The reverse is Oppenheimer. He is a INTP with a very high developed Ne. That makes him look like an ENTP sometimes, but just logically, you don’t get to be one of the most successful people in the world by intuition. You get successful by logic, and that logic has to be impeccable. However what seperates elon from the rest of the entj is Ni. He masters Ni (probably by the Fi interest in books he had from a younger age). It wasn’t even his intention from reading, but reading has helped him master Ni alongside Te, which becomes incredibly strong.
This was probably the best approach that I have seen in these kind of personality type analysis videos.
Would love to see more, specially of those famous personalities who are usually typed in many categories.
I had the longest rant to my husband about how Elon isn't an INTP and is definitely an INTJ or ENTJ, because I saw so much Te and Ni.
My husband is an ENTP and didn't give a flying flip about what type Elon Musk is, he was just having fun watching Jack Ma destroy him in that one interview. *shrugs*
That's because Elon is also an ENTP. You'll see it now.
@@richsackett3423 Definitely a J
@@TaxingIsThieving A J would not make the Twitter blunder. He's an embarrassment to the tribe; pointing out how truly lousy we are at business.
Maybe he is being rebellious because he didn't want to buy twitter.
@@bbjudyfit Good call. I’d said early that he wasn’t going to actually buy it, just playing big-shot with his bid. The judge was not amused and enforced full performance. Oops. Then Twitter-destroying tantrum.
He has had me so perplexed because I kept thinking of him as an introverted intuitive with emphasis on the intuitive. I keep forgetting how intuitive ENTJs can be. Of course you're right, Nathan!
I have listened to many hours of his interviews He is introverted. He will tell you he is introverted. INTP or ISTP.
I agree. He does have the intj way of moving words so to say. But his overall mannerism along with personal values shown seem so entj. Also he is constantly taking action and they aren't anything slight.
Same functions so a hit or miss. But not an intp.
ENTJ usually has a very specific vision they want to bring about and will attract people who want to support (or thwart) that vision... so I'd say ENTJ fits the bill. He is a very polarizing individual with a quite specific (also unrealistic and unnecessary, though that's not always the case for every ENTJ's vision) goal for our collective future (colonizing Mars) that hoards of people blindly agree with.
Elon’s goal isn’t colonizing Mars. His goal is eudaemonia. Mars is just on of the means he’s using to create it.
@@kokofan50 living on Mars sounds like the camping trip from hell. It's not feasible. How does this equate to living well? We are on a planet covered with water and there are still water shortages. This is just the most basic thing that living on Mars would fail people on. This sounds like living hell, not "living well."
@@EmpressTarotGabbyTurner human flourishing isn’t about what’s easy or comfortable. Humans are built to struggle, and the West at the very least is in a place were that struggle is by choice. What better choice to struggle for than colonizing another planet?
@@kokofan50 Yes, I agree. We are certainly here to struggle. Isn't it enough struggle to just ensure that people on Earth are free from trauma? Certainly we don't need to introduce struggle. There's an overwhelming amount of it already here.
I believe Elon Musk's true goal is to establish some sort of military base on Mars that he can profit from, or simply continue to play his video game psychopathic version of reality from.
@@kokofan50 The best way to create eudaemonia is to ensure people are physically and psychologically safe (bottom tiers of maslow's hierarchy of needs are met) and from there they have a better chance and likelihood of self-actualizing.
Life on earth is inherently difficult, western world or not, there is no need to introduce struggle.
That is psychopathic to think you're helping people through creating misery for them.
I feel sorry for psychopaths, because they inherently cannot fully benefit from struggle as a catalyst for transcendence as they cannot access the emotionality of what struggle means
I still think INTJ. Since you can habituate traits even your weakest cognitive processes in certain environments, just like how I as an INFJ utilized my lesser sensory cognitive functions as a technician lol. We can project a certain image that differentiates from our cognitive stack often, but who a person is in a homeostatic environment is who they truly are.
He's not INTJ. He's ESTP that has attempted to synchronise his cognitive functions with a group of [associate] INTJ!
Musk is a disappointing clown.
Moreover, the fact that he's heavily liked and supported (to the extent of worship via forming a cult) by ESFP - is one strong indicator that he is NOT a genuine INTJ.
He's just an attention-seeker salesman that has seemingly sweet talked a group of INTJ (INTP included) into helping to cultivate a convincing public image for him. Meanwhile, ESFP and other horde-minded personality types facilitate the deceit!
@@Human_01 interesting take.. I personally don't know the man so I can't speak on that.. but he also has aspergers so I'm sure that can make you look deceptive too. 🤷🏼♀️ So he could be an ENTJ.. but an ESTP is pushing it 😂 ...oh and that cult like following is because of the Ai he is probably brainwashing them with, nice parlor trick that.. 🙃 ..or??
Wow Nathan you didn't disappoint your analysis was brilliant.
ENTJ seems legit, particularly if his perceived introverted traits are due to ASD related social challenges (Elon announced he has Asperger's)
I had some chats with a guy that types for govt intel, and they were rather fascinating. One of the topics discussed was how narcissists act and mistype themelseves as if they were INTJ, on the topic of Ni Autism goes big, people think they are the same thing when they aren't. Elon is typical unhealthy ESTJ.
He is 100% introvert he is INTJ-A
I hadn't heard of his ASD announcement. Just commented above that we shouldn't rule out ND thinking here.
@@linasimmons6787 Hug
@@linasimmons6787 lol no
Love your analogy!
He's someone that started out life as an INTJ but eventually evolved into an ENTJ. It explains a lot.
As we age, we acquire more consciousness, control, and balance of our cognitive functions. If he's an INTJ, it very possible that he learned how to use Te and Se in a more efficiently, and can appear as an ENTJ. But, according to MBTI, you remain as your type forever.
He's just an INTJ 8w7
devolved?
No! He was always ENTJ - did you not hear the part that said that he was rejected because he was too smart but he did say it anyway? Rejection and criticism makes you less extroverted not more. I am ENTJ and even I have to turn the volume down to fit in. When I was bout 10 or 11 I once had told some kids that there must be no end to space. They didn't believe me and one said "So what happens when you get to the end of space?" I said, "you tell me." He said "I don't know." So I said, "more space." Sixty years alter I am still having that argument and "they" still don't get it. Now wouldn't you think that rejection like that would tend to make you more introverted?
You can't change your type
the content on this channel is so dense and I mean that in the best possible way :D
Yeah... I'm an INTJ and he definitely comes across as ENTJ. I really do not relate to the things he says nowadays.
Have you ever looked into vultology? They have a completely different take on his type. (Cognitive Type)
which is?
Vultology types him as ISTP.
@@endgamez7621 ISTP
@@NoOne-wt6om right
@@NoOne-wt6om they see his Ti and Ni
He is INTJ I think
Because, extrovert are not like that, he is more introverted
One of my best friends is an ENTJ, and people are often surprised when they find out she's extraverted. Her husband is an INTJ, and they like to say that he's an extraverted introvert and she's an introverted extravert.
There is an interview where Elon is asked about his heroes at Nasa. He tears up, which INTJs wouldn't be caught dead doing on camera. Which is one of the reasons my ENFP bf (who knows far more about MBTI than I do) thinks he's INTP. He's trying not to cry, but Fe is going to Fe. I'm INTP and I know it's very hard for me to control my Fe when I need to. I try desperately because I hate it, but I still tear up.
Another example is when 60 minutes is interviewing him about the power issues in Australia. He gets so emotional. There’s also an interview where he got emotional talking about GM.
That or he’s extremely brave and willing to open up publicly. INTJs may have mental armor thinker than a super heavy tank, but when we come out of it, we’re really soft.
@@kokofan50 I think INTJs could show emotion to their *very* close loved ones, but I find it extremely difficult to believe they would be willing to do so in an interview. But yeah, INTJs can be softies with their SOs.
@@jennifergrove2368 INTJs open up when they feel secure, and I've seen very few people more secure than Elon Musk.
If someone tears up during an interview for a personal reason, it is more Fi than Fe. Fe is more of an altruistic, externally directed function which aims to accomplish harmony in the society as opposed to Fi which is more internal and based on personal values and more related to overt display of emotions as personal sentiments.
In other words Fi is emotions in a more pure personal form that comes out involuntary as genuine tears.Fe is more about using your emotions as a tool for doing good in the society by altruistic works, social harmony endeavours etc. Fe is less about tearing up involuntarily during an interview on a topic.
Your personal heroes, emotional values etc is more the realm of Fi.
See Michael Pierce's videos to know more..
I don't know Elon musk very well and this video makes a lot of sense but he's always given me kind of an ISTP vibe, no idea why
It's because he is an INTP
Can you talk about resources for each type - books, philosophers, philosophy most suited for each type, self help for each type, thinking process, career, suggest media movies, bands and albums, artists, writers, art for each type?
For infp if possible
Did you just find out about MBTI recently?
Nope i want more information
I've done this for INTJ online, just type Music Genres for INFP, Books for INFP, etc, and you will find results like in Personality Cafe. The results tend to be variable, because human differences in taste have to be factored in. I don't like heavy metal for example, and INTJs are supposed to like that.
INTJ with a strongly developed Se.
Why people don't want to admit Elon is INTJ ? XD XD XD
We INTJs are able of a lot of thing when we have a goal to achieve, even if those things are appealing extroverted or funny to people.
If we need to, we can learn anything
So true
I agree. It also with Ni Te, we can do everything.
Because he isn't
I simply cannot fathom there was ever a mom describing their ENTJ kid in the way seen in those few clips. INTJ!
The only question that seems relevant to me is: Does he lead with NI or TE? And it seems clear that first and foremost he looks at the bigger picture, the betterment of society for all, and the foresight to see it completed in his mind, before he jumps into execution, he first has the very specific FI goal, and that shows me that he is INTJ.
As for behaviors, these can differ significantly from one person to another even if they share the same type.
To me Elon Musk is clearly INTJ, because he leads with NI and not TE.
As for the energy that was mentioned, INTJs when focused on an objective or goal they are passionate about, they can be more energetic, driven, and motivated than any Extroverted type, they focus all their energy on it... Definitely INTJ with Strong TE combined with FI with a sprinkle of SE...
Sidenote.
I truly believe when he said that Edison put his inventions out there, he meant it for the benefit of all, not from an entrepreneual standpoint, (OFC this is only speculation because the video was cut short)
Great video we want more 😀
INTJ here. I always assumed Elon, was an INTP, but ENTJ sounds like a much better fit than an INTJ. Why? Primarily, his obvious ease with Se. I've known a couple of ENTJs, and their natural loop (which is anti-social, as with any loop, hence its easy to confuse him for an introvert): is Te-Se. In other words: they're super-productive. As an INTJ, my natural loop is Ni-Fi, so it's unsurprising that we're third most susceptible to limerence trailing only INFJ and INFP (daydreaming with Fi is the OPPOSITE of productive, lol). I also struggle with Se, as I always want to be in my Ni-which takes oxygen away from Se.
@@rocketassistedgoat1079 Vultology types him as ISTP.
@@NoOne-wt6om He's an intellectual and is clearly a visionary: NO way he's not an iNtuitive.
@@rocketassistedgoat1079 You are stereotyping.
@@NoOne-wt6om Stereotyping what? That iNtuitives are intellectuals and visionaries? We are.
I think he is an intj, since we come first with the big picture, what he wanna bring to life. And then he thinks with Te how to achieve the goal. Including how to overcome intj conventional problem.
I think perhaps the most salient point made here is that it is harder to type a person from a distance. Knowing a person up close and personal makes for a much more reliable assessment. With that said, the argument for Elon being an ENTJ was still compelling.
He's hands down an intp.
I loved this analysis, it makes sense to me as INTJ. But I have an interesting question maybe as a counterargument, how would mental health meds affect MBTI theory?
Now I have no idea if Musk takes any meds, but if we assume he's pure INTJ as a child who took meds as an adult, could that make him seem more ENTJ, INTP or maybe even alter ego ESFP, any thoughts on this?
I'm an intj, I havs to take meds before stepping out the door. This allowed me to be assertive and confident, loosened my anxiety, which made people think I am an entj
I don't know much about him but from the little I know and from the few videos I’ve seen of him, he seems extraverted
In Elon we Musk!
Common Sense Sceptic.
@@okay4634 In Elon We Musk!
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He's an intp that is unconscious focused. His entj unconscious shows up and that is why he can speak infront of groups and is very good at having multiple businesses.
Make sense. Intp with entj focus.
I disagree with your conclusion from his contrast of Tesla with Edison. ENTPs who have been at this more than a minute understand our Tesla-like weakness of being all-over-the-place and ultimately getting little to-market. (Had that very discussion last night with my ISFJ. I know.) To solve that known problem, he looked off Edison's paper. It's very important to figure out whose paper to cheat off.
He’s an obvious INTP. And once one looks at the Unconscious Mind of INTP, one will find ENTJ. I know because I’m an INTP! Everybody gets fooled by my ENTJ subconscious, and that’s exactly why Elon Musk appears that way. But I can’t stay in ENTJ indefinitely. I must move back to the Ego to recharge because I am Introverted. If you would like more accuracy, please see C.S. Joseph’s content on RUclips.
He had an sports car and drove it 11000 miles in several years (and didn't even drove it ,he had a driver),
also watch how he dressed: no jewelry/expensive sunglasses or even a watch on he's hand and the colors he choose to wear are "boring" and it's look like he don't want to draw attention.(or low awareness of fashion)
Also the way he responds and not adding more subjects show us that he is responsive( introvert).
He's a INTP, and as INTP myself, if I would have millions I would also bought something very expensive just to feel how it's like and likely would not extremely value the shiny things and status after I had it already as much as the ENTJ(or ESTP) would.
I have a good entj friend and hes very similar also the way he is with his kids, just not a stress or a problem and easily corrals teaches and hangs out with them.
Im pretty convinced he is not an INTJ,
INTJ people try to hide everything, elon clearly is not afraid to anounce his idea's or plans for the future, INTJ's would defnitely be afraid people might misinterpret them and therefore lose people's faith
He hides lots of things, I think.
I'm an INFJ who really likes him, so I'm not sure if that's unusual or not lol. I know that the ENFJs don't seem to like him, but I guess that has more to do with their dominant function being Fe.
If you like musk, then you're certainly no INFJ, troll! 😀 That says a lot about your stance on basic ethics!
So many fakes and [murderous\ptsd causing] attention-seekers!
Based on my little exposure to Elon Musk, I don't really see him as forceful and commanding as the ENTJ's I have been able to know and interact with. Based on that, I see him as a well rounded, very developed, and extremely high IQ INTJ. In any case, thanks for the video!
That makes sense. He seems to be more like the intj
Thank a lot. For me, he is INTJ with high IQ too.
Severals INTJ I know and follow on RUclips, and myself I notice we have the same behavior, and facial expressions.
His rules are totally the INTJ way of thinking that I have too.
I think your intro is spot on. I never considered ENTJ, but it does make a lot of sense.
I agree with the consensus in the comments. XNTJ that sometimes moonlights as XNTP.
I loved this video. Could you do one about Martin Luther King Jr.? I still don’t know if he’s an INFJ or an ENFJ, and nobody seems to agree online. Your opinion would be extremely valuable. Thank you! Love your content!
Fairly new viewer passing through. 👋🤗👍
He’s a visionary but it’s odd because most engineers I know are sensors - higher contentiousness and detail orientation.
Learn functions please
Either he is 100% an INTP or I am an ENTJ and don’t know it.
ENTJ, Asperger edition. Takes one to know one ;)
Most Entj when they communicate with people, really think how to articulate and put structure into their words due to Te. I can see that his Te/Fi functions are not in his main function stuck. He look more like Ti/Fe. So maybe xNTP type goes better. My guess in that he is ENTP 7w6 ILE .
7w6 sounds counterintuitive, but ENTP 7w6 (due to both 7 and 6 e types being in thinking triad) can be really really bright.
In addition by growing up in an environment interested in business and engineering, and by being an NT type lean on learning new stuff, he learned to be more introverted and manage his time well.
I think that this is the reason we see MUSK as a creative, conscientious being as a E5, and at the same time an opportunistic individual being able to do many things together like E7.
I dont consider him at all an E5, and i have a friend in college that he has the same features. He is smart, quick - witted, he looks geeky like a 5, but at the same time he is social and engaging, ready to debate about everything. He is 100% not like a stereotypical entp 7W8, but he has many common things with it (leans a little more to book smart stuff like INTP due to 6 presence, looke a little less confident, charismatic and dominant due to 8 absence)
He is an intp ,he has huge mastery of logic it and is not focused one single thing like an ni user but runs different companies and is obvious how not generalized he is and not specialized like an ne user
You just contradict yourself, intp use ne
@@N0URii I also don't see him as an Si user like Sheldon from Young Sheldon or Big Bang Theory.
It might be close between Ni-Te and Ti-Ne, although he uses Ti more like a tool for Te and Ni. But looking at the lower functions, I don't see any Si. None at all. With an INTP, it would be more visible. It's harder with Fe, as he is very good at marketing, but it could as well be Se - like ESxPs.
INTJ can also be focused on multiple things - It comes from their ENTP shadow, ableit a-lot more in the background f our psyches. For example, I am INTJ, I have multiple focuses on different projects / hobbies, But I'll spend most of my focus on ONE thing (completing a project, getting my skill level up to a certain level in a certain hobbie) while doing the least to maintain all others.
as for the INTP claim, absolutely no Ti-Fe in him.
Yes, good typing. Finally! Someone with a brain!
There are so many differences between introverts like us and extroverts like Elon.
I have an ENTJ friend and he's way more academically successful and in life in general.
He seems introverted at first as well. But you can easily mistake Te for an introverted function because you can only see it when in action, not in thinking. In thinking you see both functions. But when doing you can really see Te.
Also, his Fi is kinda of childish in my opinion for an INTJ. I for one I have a pretty intricate philosophical framework that makes every belief system to be tested. One of the reasons why we as INTJs don't accomplish that much is because of our conscious Fi. We think deeply about the things that we want. While Fi inferiors like ENTJs just take things for granted.
This kind of purist idealism leads us to focus more on instrumental goals than on terminal goals.
The first is an INTJ primary way of thinking. Strategizing. Thinking about actions that trigger other possible avenues of expansion. An INTJ focuses on the methods.
The latter, on the other hand, focuses on the final destination or end goal. ENTJs focus on their objectives. Everything is tailored towards accomplishing their objectives. They focus on the result. An INTJ would never sacrifice risking to have a bad outcome due to wrong methods used.
Also, INTJs are more stoic. We like to ponder about the deeper things in life. We can get into existential crisis pretty easily due to seeing the meaningless of life.
We also are really critical of others beliefs. Fe PoLR manifests itself as a lack and complete disregard of social conditioning.
We don't like it when we are conditioned to do anything. If we do something is only because we want to. Just like INTPs.
In fact, us INTJs in regards to the extroverted realm, are more akin to INTPs than to ENTJs, as fellow introverts. We both like to take a step back and be the observer. This ensures us the possibility of looking objectively at the situation and detecting potential errors in the methods used. We like to envision before acting, unlike ENTJs.
Also, us INTJs, we feel that it is our duty not so much to control, but to delegate in spreading the message of self awareness in society. To better society not so much by our inventions, but to better it though the message that those may give. Just like Nikola Tesla. He wanted to make society a better and peaceful place, his inventions were his methods that he used in order to attain that objective. He didn't care for himself, for how others would view him or the petty disputes of social conduct.
He knew that his mission is to do anything that he can do so that people will live closer to his ideals of peaceful cooperation.
An INTJ mission is first and foremost to spread this message. We want for society to be cohesive and stable. Our contribution is in making sure that it is developing in the right path.
You can also see this with Nikola Tesla. He knew that his inventions could be used for bad, so he destroyed some of them so that they won't get in the hands of the bad guys to use them for their purposes.
Social cohesion is the upmost important objective of an INTJ. To make sure that society follows our morals and our ideals. Because they are good, and we want the best for ourselves, and like so, we want the same for society at large.
The bias that INTJs are villains is flawed and wrong, and Nikola Tesla is a living proof of the opposite.
Now, the same argument for Elon being an Ni user can be made for Tesla as well, as every action of his was meticulously planned and it was not left to chance like Ne users do. Ni creates it's own luck, it doesn't depend on external luck like Ne.
I hope that this would suffice in regards to our differences between our mirror type, the ENTJ.
Again, great analysis Nathan! It seems as ESFPs are really good analysts. I predicted your typing from the start of the video.
Also, could you do a similar analysis video for Bill Gates and Steve Jobs?
Thanks in advance and cheers!
-an INTJ
INT/FJ/P. T/F because of he's idealistic manner which is strongly feeling fueled in example twitter posts which are mostly just an irony/fun and J/P because for me he's an actor which wants to be a leader but in many cases he's just a dreamer which tells about his visions and he doesn't sounds like he want to convince anyone to he's thoughts
I think he's quite authentic but a bit flashy
I used to read "everything" is what I would call it, to save time so I could get back to reading. Usually 5-6 books a day, while writing and watching a show and having a conversation or two, or more books in a day without doing some of that. I would not be comforted by a lack of photos being what dark is, though I would understand it; because, logically, the lack of photos make it harder to see and more easy for something that sees well with less photons being availalbe to sneak up on me. The understanding does not change the danger of the dark. Toes still get stubbed and coyotes still bite.
He’s clearly and INTJ. In an interview with Bob Zubrin, founder and head of the Mars Society, he clearly says he doesn’t care about SpaceX beating the other launch providers. SpaceX was created to realize his vision of getting humans to Mars, and they’ve just so happen to have become the most prolific private launch provider. That’s Ni dominance and secondary Te at work.
What’s confusing people is that he’s an INTJ who has been either very stressed or bored. These bring out the Se tendencies of INTJs as a way of distracting them.
Well,you can use this way and what u said explain and concluding he is other types or intp,too.
Cause you are just descripted and no related to any theory of MBTI and Function.
That just like I said 1+1=3 because 1is 1 so it equal 3.
CS Joseph correctly typed Musk as an INTP. He is shadow based ENTJ. So good job on seeing his shadow....I guess.
Musk isn't Ne-Si though so INTP is out. ISTP is most likely. At least CSJ got the Ti dom right.
@@Iceman219 :( I am an istp. I really don't want to be mean but you cannot be more wrong.
@@tomatoe3 Explain
@@Iceman219 mm I dont know what to say except he is not an istp lol. I am bad at explaining. No istp would go out of their way to do what he is doing. what he is doing is far too big brain. I'll tag you in my comment where I explain why I think he is an intp and not an entj.
@@Iceman219 ok im sorry but turns out I can't tag you in the comment. I think csj typed him very well and correctly, but I do not think all csjs typings are correct. I believe elon is an entj shadow focused intp. as an istp I am far more grounded, and although I can learn abt whatever elon is doing, I would need far more Ne to explore all possibilities and achieve elon's feats that scientists once denied were even possible. I have Ne blind! I'm a stick for you to whack around. manipulate and use me pls but don't ask me to think of possibilities that are not grounded enough in reality. you would also need a plan if you are going to have multiple companies. I never plan, my Ni is kind of a one at a time thing
Holy shit, ENTJ makes so much sense! Brilliant analysis 👏
Videos like this are why the MBTI won’t ever get into mainstream media. When people try make introverted and extroverted say “oh they can be socially awkward and still be an extrovert.” it just shows how unreliable and poor the validation is. MBTI channels like this use stereotypes. I’m unsubscribing because channels like this just divide the MBTI community even further and further make the MBTI look unreliable. INTPs can stick to things. If Elon Musk is an extrovert then I guess Abraham Lincoln is ENTP, Warren Buffet is an ESTJ just because he owns a company and talks to people, and it’s ridiculous how much people divide about it. Also NATHAN can’t know the difference between an ISTJ and INTP since he thinks all INTPs are lazy like ISTJs
You’re contradicting yourself. You seem to be using the stereotype of extroverts having better social skills then talk about how the arguments in the video use stereotypes.
Good job 👍🏻 ENTP here who concurs with your analysis 🧐
Hes most likely a shadow focused ENTJ so he can easily come off as an INTP
Makes sense.
He gives me INTP vibes even his social media activity and at times very random posts give me this vibe…
Entj is also a close possibility
Musk said that sleep "one night" alone was hard and a suffering for him at a time where he was between two girlfriends or whatever.
Beyond the emotional trouble of a breakup, an introvert would not be so much "disturbed" by the fact to have to stay alone.
Nate are you an INTJ? I'm asking because I could have sworn you mentioned your type at one point...
Elon is the awkward kid who ends up being cool because they're more like all of us than any of us.
he's so obviously an INTJ 5W6, idk why are we even talking about this. so much Ni future thinking, vision and problem solving + so much Te with obsolutely zero extroverted feeling.
ENTJ also can have massive NI since it is in their second slot. INTJ like to stay in the background as masterminds. I was married to a highly intelligent INTJ. He didn’t like the spotlight, typical of INTJ.
Well, I have a strong ENTJ personality, but when I am in a situation where I am not totally comfortable and my confidence is not high, I come off as shy too. I dont want people to see my flaws. My FI is at the bottom of my stack and it can raise it's ugly head. INTJ men are typically quite confident people. They may not be outgoing socially, but they come off quite arrogant at times, like they are the smartest person in the room.
You have me swayed more ENTJ than INTJ now. Your argument is sound. He could be either, granted. INTJs are ruthless when it comes down goal achieving, but the nonstop on-the-go lifestyle .. I got drained just listening to you talk about it.
I would think an INTJ would find ways around that. Minions if you will, you do that part. I go to the grocery store and I need about 10 minutes to decompress when I get home. I can't imagine living through what he does.
/intj
INTJ here.I get drained too by always-on-the-go lifestyle.It's got worst after covid lockdowns. Pre-covid I used to be more outgoing but now....... omg hell no.
This month I had 3 social gatherings per week and each week I had a meltdown.
I can just meet 1 friend at a time on a monthly basis otherwise I get overwhelmed.
please do the princess diana one, its been an ill debate in our community throughout the web to figure out whether she is an INFP or ISFP. i hope you can bring harmony to this war!
Interesting, I can only see either ISFP or ESFP for her. Introverted extravert if ESFP, but I do not see Ne in her. She seemed more Se -- liked beautiful things and extravagant vacations, luxuries, etc. in spite of her humanitarian (Fi) drive.
@@tnic3255 i actually dont doubt the Fi dom consensus. but to be fair, i am still on the fence about the Ne and Se debate. the documented evidence of her public appearances and outwardly actions are giving the easy objectives to spot her Se, but I can't help and argue too (not right here) that her Ne is showing strong when you actually start to study her life through her more personal journey; especially the way she describes and perceive her life, but it takes a deeper look and people hardly notice that. hence, in this very issue, i am really looking forward to see someone like Nathan give his thoughts and perspective. after watching this one, at least i hope he would bring up the missing pieces we failed to see. i just dont want her to be furtherly misunderstood, God knows she's had enough of that.
@@halalgordonramsay4983 Good points! She was one of a kind -- hitting all stacks :) ;) Loved Princess Diana too, and yes, would love to get a really good typing on her. I think Nathan would be the one!
@@halalgordonramsay4983 So after sitting on this, I had an insight...I wonder if Diana is ISFP, therefore she is more flexible in her Se and Ni, and capable of deeper Ni insights than ESFP, but also some other ISFP who are in their play/Se more. Given her depression and other issues, she was certainly very reflective and insightful about the bigger picture of what matters in life -- helping others, taking care of their emotional states, etc. The problem I have with INFP is that I don't know any INFPs who engage in the active life she also had with hitting the gym, boating, skiing, and generally enjoying sensory experiences. They are really deficient there, I think. Hard to get them to be physically active, even when you offer to plan.
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He is an XNTJ larping as an INTP, he is LSI in Socionics but he is pretending to be an ILE / LIE(Victor Gulenko typed him LSI). He is very deceptive. You don't need knowledge on MBTI/Socionics to behave differently he is emphasizing on his mediocre qualities to shadow his actual strong properties. :)
It would be interesting to see him "out in the wild." Do you think his behavior may be interpreted as deceptive when it is just clumsy, PoLR Se and Suggestive Fe seeming inauthentic?
@@gooddaygene8355 He isn't LII though(not likely anyways lmao). Who knows really, but the odds suggest no, It seems very intentional and forced (AND contrary to the background portrayed in his biography).
@@thepanthar I am an SP. So I will go with what I can (Se)e;) Just like you will favor your primary functions. Just like we all do:)
Socionics is great. I enjoy it and think there is a lot of valuable information. However, a huge aspect to keep in mind is the culture that it originated from. So all the descriptors are through that lens. That former Soviet lens. Having spent my first 7 years in that culture, and subsequent youth with the immigrants from there as well (being one myself:) I can see where things get lost in cultural translation. But then, this through my own lens. We all have them.
Furthermore. How do we know he is "pretending" anything?
Why trust a biography that takes someone's interpretation which is already removed from reality. Then, filtered through however many editors and further removed and finally read by the reader. The words on the page must then be interpreted by our own functional bias and assembled into meaning / reality. So that is three or four steps removed from actual reality? How much gets lost?
LSI... I would agree with Ti lead. But he is too awkward with Se to be creative with it. He has zero Se flow or force of presence.
@@gooddaygene8355
Yes you are correct, cultural norms should be kept in mind although the IMEs are universally applicable the *WAY* how they are utilized is likely not. The link established between is that different cultures may utilize IMEs differently(and yes it may impact their decisions/beliefs) but they are still using the same thing. For example your hands can be used in more than one way.
I think truth lost to interpretation is more likely an occurrence in words conveyed in abstract fashion that are open to interpretation rather than concrete/literal ones such as a Biography that a person has go in detail about himself for others to pickup on it rather than an abstract thought/theory lacking experience and only imaginary so I doubt much is lost.
the Ti subtype of LSI can look like LII, the creative function is not as visible as the base function(especially if the person is likely concealing it). Although as even this video suggests Elon is very dedicated and unwilling to make compromises towards his visions (Ni HA) this points towards Ne PoLR since he is not open minded.
To answer your initial question in a better way, I would say it is unlikely since LSIs according to Gulenko who I deem to be a credible source are good at witty humor too which is what people attribute to his Ne but that is the extent of it. Elon does value Ni as a more prominent aspect of who he is(or at least claims to be), while the demonstrative is strong it still isn't a function of value. I think it is 'unlikely' but yes it is possible :)
@@thepanthar Awww, shoot. Looks my reply didn't post. Okay take two.
IMEs are set. I agree. I think they are better defined in Socionics than MBTI type of systems as well.
What are your reasons against Elon having Ni demonstrative? 4d, as apparent or pronounced as lead. Also, more stubborn in a way.
Te pragmatism is just more "in your face" and closed ended, bullet point communication. Done onto the next point. Also faster, when tied with Se force as would befit a gamma. Elon is so sloooow.
As an INTJ I definitively prefer staying in second row and get my things done from there, he is much more extrovert and enjoys himself being in the spotlight.
He is INTP. (P) being the visionary (Einstein). Introvert being the stuttering when he speaks, as he is trying to compensate for the quietness. Intuition being trapped in his mind. Thinking being, he focus on science rather than feeling.
I’m an INTP and I constantly stutter when I speak in most social settings, if I do not know the person- and my mind is also a storm constantly full of ideas, and my mind moves quicker than my mouth, hence the stuttering.
he has said he has asperger’s and that syndrome is more common in INTP’s, which could be what makes him come across that way. Apparently ADD is more common in INTJ’s. He could easily be an INTJ with asperger’s, that makes him come across as an INTP. Ni makes sense to me. He is clearly a visionary who is quite organised (Ni/Te at least realistic). I know of quite a few INTP’s, some personally, and they are interested in breaking things down… not at all in grand scheming. Just experience. I think the asperger’s could be what is throwing people off. He does have a very INTP like demeanour.
Damn it’s rough when your own mom calls you a nerd. 🤣
Thank youu! I always thought of him as ENTJ, no idea why the majority would think his dominant function is introverted (INTJ, INTP, ISTP/J). He values efficiency (first principle approach) and is thinking about how to advance humanity (SpaceX, sustainable energy generation and transport) he’s good at explaining his thoughts (why he does the things the way he does and for what purpose), isnt that clearly dominant Te? Also if one read the interview he gave to Rolling Stone in 2017 where he said he hates to be alone (I don’t remember the article very well anymore), one could see that his inferior function is Fi; wanting to be in a relationship really bad but having issues to make it work. I’m not sure if INTJs care to be in a relationship really bad and hate being alone.
I think Elon Musk is very hard to type. He is a very complex individual and his behaviour has changed much between early-career Musk and later-career Musk.
After a lot of time reading into him, I think he is an ENTP who looks like he values Ni, but actually doesn't. He has managed to bring out Ni in support of Ne motivations. ENTJ does not explain the full range of data available on Musk, but better explains a limited amount of public data in a set period of time (when he was working ridiculously hard to get his businesses set up, and telling everyone about future disasters). In contrast, ENTP is able to explain the full range of data (how he has become very distracted since with a broad range of other, seemingly frivolous and unlikely projects, and also his desire to give up personal property in order to placate public criticism), while accepting that at some points in his career, he has not been fully sincere or perhaps simply not aware of WHY he is doing what he is doing.
Additionally ENTP with Fi as the blind spot, and Si as the inferior function, much better describes his insufficiencies in his personal life than ENTJ. He needs physical, supportive company, hates to feel physically alone, but frequently overlooks matters of personal boundaries and attitudes.
... because Edison got ruthlessly wealthy bro and Tesla like, didn't.
Because Edison brought products to market.
@@kokofan50 it's like you're his mouthpiece.
Great typing! Finally
One that needs a slap to recalibrate.... "With great power comes great responsibility."