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Sweet! By the way, great video. If I could make a request, could you create a versus video of the B'rel bird-of-prey, against the Jem'Hadar Fighter? I would assume that would be a very close match up, as clips within this video highlights.
I remember how Kor was going against 10 Jem'Hadar Attack ship in a BoP with skeleton crew and he managed to hold them of long enough so Martok and his fleet could escape. Great ship, greater Klingon. To Kor, the Dahar master!
It must be a RetCon. Information I saw from star trek magazine(?) - with all the Paramount logos - put the cruiser configuration as 137 m/450 ft (so I accept 139 m) having a crew of 36 and the scout configuration is 91 m/300 ft having a crew of 12. The "Bounty" BOP in Star Trek III and IV had to be a scout, otherwise every US spy agency would have been in Golden Gate park trying to figure out the hidden solid object in the park that everyone found given how busy GG park is.
The Klingons used the B'Rel as a basis for other BoP designs including the short-lived K'Vort Class BoP Cruiser variant (640 m). Size differences abounded between the classes and sub-classes.
@@danielhaire6677 I have a better explanation... lazy writting and/or a lack of time given to model makers. Every time we see a K'vort it really should have been a Vor'cha. Upscaling a ship/aircraft and keeping proportions of each component precisely the same just doesn't make any sense... unless a K'vort is firing equally upsized torpedoes from its now massively oversized torpedolauncher... Personally I don't aknowlege the K'vort as existing... It's just a stand in pretending to be something else that for whatever reason they aren't able to show.
One thing I had always wondered about is the Bird of Prey captained by Klaa in Star Trek 5:The Final Frontier was the same class as that Bird of Prey controlled by the Duras Sisters the Enterprise D encountered in Star Trek Generations and the reason I ask that is because both ships had the same scope that Klaa and Lursa or was it B'Etor that sat in the chair and started shooting at the Enterprise after they got the ships shield frequencies.
One thing I had always wondered about is ever since I first saw the Klingon Bird of Prey in Star Trek 3:The Search for Spock and that is who came up with the Bird of Prey and who designed and created it for the movies and the Star Trek series as it had been seen numerous times in both Star Trek the Next Generation and Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
I just wanted to take a moment to say that I like this narrator. :) Don't get me wrong, I love Daniel's voice, too. While Daniel has what can be described as a bit more than slightly urgent tone, as if someone were declaring a red alert along with its associated pertinent information over a PA system (without being overtly annoying, I might quickly add!) along with a hint/dash of excitement/passion for the material being discussed, this gentleman has a more laid back almost scholarly tone that is quite soothing to listen to and which helps lull your mind into a state suitable for absorbing large amounts of disparate information. It's a nice contrast and by having more than one narrator it helps to constantly refresh the feel of the show so that your mind doesn't become numbed by hearing the same voice over and over again. Again, not that having Daniel doing the narration for so long was a bad thing! It's just great addition. Keep up the _stellar_ work, Spacedock crew! :)
Don't forget that Prototype Klingon Bird of Prey from Star Trek 6:The Undiscovered Country that ship was built to be able to fire it's weapons while cloaked and that was proven when it opened fire on the K'Tinga class Battle Cruiser Quonos 1 with the Klingon High Chancellor Gorkon on board,it severely damaged the Constitution Refit Class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-A and damaged the U.S.S. Excelsior NCC-2000 before both ships destroyed the Prototype by using a modified photon torpedo from the Enterprise to lock in on the Bird of Prey's gas emissions or as Lt. Uhura put it 'The Thing's Gotta have a Tailpipe'.
In the old star fleet battles table top game it. the bird of prey was simple awesome. It was a glass cannon but with the cloaking it was really a match for most ships
I've always found Klingon tactics to be a little at odds with their culture... cloaking devices and hit-and-run tactics are hardly "honorable" and all that, but they do allow the Klingons to leverage their (supposedly) highly skilled infantry in boarding parties while minimizing they time they potentially spend in ship-to-ship combat. As I also understand it (and I could be wrong, I'm no expert) a lot of the empire was built on raiding nearby systems, which would require such tactics to evade local defense fleets... so, maybe.
There is nothing more honorable in battle than victory. As mentioned in your comment, those tactics would have been necessary in early klingon history, and I can easily see how those tactics which won them so many early battles would come to be seen as tacitly honorable by later generations.
Their culture is a strong warrior culture where all Klingons are expected to able to fight. The birds of prey are cheap easy to maintain ships that even the smallest house can get their hands on. These are ships that all Klingons can fight with and so gain a path to glory.
The Klingons sold old Birds of Prey on the open market with *cloaks intact* but weapons removed, which could of course be bought separately from arms merchants. Some Ferengi got a few and reequipped them with disruptors and used them to surprise the Enterprise in the TNG episode "Rascals" [yes, that one when Ro Laren, Captain Picard, Keiko, and Guinan get turned into children]. Now that opens up a lot of possibilities [no not the Enterprise discovered how to reverse aging] for various parties getting their hands on one. Imagine the fun the Marquis could have got up to with one if they equipped it with original weaponry. The Klingon Cardassian war could have started before the wormhole was even discovered. A minor backward alien species could buy a few and copy the design or just some of the tech and get a big boost in capabilities. And buyers aren't limited by the original design, phasers could be fitted. And imagine if the stealth coating from the _'Fortune'_ from the TNG two parter Gambit was applied… But from a story telling experience the most interesting possibility is if a independent merchant owner operator looks at it and goes "This has almost as much cargo capacity as a *_'Firefly'_* class ship, I'll get it.
The K'Vort ain't that big :) Ignore most of the specs from the DS9 TM; its authors freely admit it was a rushed job. Moreover, I don't know what you mean by "featherlike decals." Take a hard look at the studio mini. Those are flat-out panels, with recessed areas between them (probably light armor plating). I imagine the red pattern on the ventral wings were painted on since decals are flimsy and easily torn even after sealant coats.
If you had to build up a fleet of purpose built spaceships; i.e.: Gunships, Corvettes, Frigates, Destroyers, Cruisers, Battleships, Carriers, other specialty classes. But you were not allowed to use any pre-designed ships from any property: what would each ship be, what would there role be in the fleet, how what would the ratio of each class be? Also, first.
A2RGaming. That depends alot on mechanics of the setting. Do we have FTL? How does it work? How big/ small are the subsystems of ship construction (i.e. weapons, sensors, power plants, drive units, life support, communications, etc.)? How powerful are those subsystems? What kind of artificial gravity is being used? Are we using actual vector manuevering? A lot goes into designing ships. Just asking to do it from scratch with no idea about anything else "in universe" makes it a mute point.
@Chris Shilts Permanent lunar colony, Mars outpost/early Mars colony, space elevator under construction/finished. Factions would more than likely include, but not limited to the following: NATO, pacific-based NATO equivalent, EU (if they last that long), BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China (DRC), South Africa), Latin America, and non-Aligned. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty of 1964 has been modified or revoked (prevents nuclear, biological, chemical weapons in space, or the testing of such things, whether for military or civilian use), so you can now use nuclear engines. Early use of the space navy will be used defensively to prevent piracy and maintain trade routes. If you wish for this hypothetical situation to go on for a few decades or centuries, then you can add more systems into the equation.
@@a2rgaming863 In this situation I see long mission duration cruisers with thermo nuclear warhead missiles and probably small conventional warhead missiles for point defense. This will be very similar to sub warfare in my opinion. Most factions will only have two or three ships operational. Some won't have any. Latin America and non-Aligned will most likely fall into this catagory. EU and NATO overlap quite a bit, so they would fall apart early on as the US won't want to pay for the EU's expansion. Of them UK, France, and Germany would probably have a vessel each and operate independantly. BRICS would break apart for sure as Russia would want the dominant military position, muscle out Brazil's growing industrial base to prevent Brazil overshadowing them, and restrict India's colonization elsewhere as with India's population, they would quickly come to dominate any colonization effort. Russia would try to hold them together under Russian control, but eventually demands made by Brazil and India would force Russia to exclude them and they would leave BRICS. I see Russia have 2 vessels. India and Brazil together might get 1 vessel. The US would have two vessels.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 To be effective, you'd need at least 2 -3 of any ship in order to have at least one operational and on patrol at all times, this is why the US has 13 carriers. At any given time you'lll have 1 ship at port undergoing routing maintenance and their crew getting R&R and/or undergoing additional training. You'll then have another ship at port getting ready to go out on patrol, fueling up, being rearmed, bringing supplies aboard, etc. Then, lastly, you'll have 1 ship actually out there on patrol doing its job. Having only a single ship means that your ship will only spend about half of its time out on patrol and the other hallf at port with no one else to take its place. Two ships would allow for one out on patrol at all times but at the cost of greater stress on both ship and crew sine it would allow for less down time betwen patrols and maintenance would need to be done at a quicker pace.
I enjoy this video, and the voice narration was very pleasing. I'm very sorry but Daniel voice comes across as a bit harsh and not as smooth to listen to especially when listening about technology. So I was pleased to hear this information delivered in a smooth and steady pleasing voice. It can take a bit of practice to hit that exact tone that doesn't come across as too loud or harsh or accented, and this was done perfectly.
"Oh be honest now, Captain; warrior to warrior, you do prefer it this way, don't you? As it was meant to be--no peace in our time. 'Once more unto the breach, dear friends.' TaH paH, taH be'!"
Star Trek vessels are basically analogous to sea going battleships - I think the cloaking BoP makes a good submarine analog - lying in wait, popping up to fire a torpedo before disappearing deep again to evade
You know it's funny that the Klingon Bird of Prey stolen by Admiral Kirk and his crew was ironically the I.K.S. B'REL the first ship of the B'REL class Bird of Prey which in some ways it would explain why the Klingons wanted Kirk in Star Trek 4 as he stole the first ship of this class.
It's the cloak that makes it dangerous. Without it, it's no more imposing than any other small patrol craft. Even a Miranda out guns it. And a Defiant can absorb more punishment. I think that crutch is holding Klingons back from building more advanced ships. The only thing really keeping the Federation from waltzing over their border and clobbering them in their next battle is the Federations generally pacifist policies.
True the cloak acts sort of like a clutch (spell check again). But as he said, a Br'ell in the hands of a damn good pilot/captain brings it from being a minor threat to a God Killer. (Spell check fucked up again) Star Trek V lol
@@BlueBoxRevan also that they can work in groups, sure 1v1 it is way out classed by a miranda, but a mirand is crewed by about 200 I believe? if a bird of prey is crewed by 36 and we evened up those numbers that would be 5 bird of prey vs a miranda and well not hard to imagine that miranda going down without putting up a fight at all(I know very odd way to even it up).
@@Brendissimo1 You mean where one station stood alone and unreinforced against an entire fleet, destroyed over 50 of them, beat back their boarding parties and ultimately forced them to withdraw or have a federation fleet outflank them? Yes I remember.
I wish I had a few of these things. The landing on, and launching from a planet's surface, is a key advantage, for all versions of, BIRD OF PREY, ships. -The cloaking systems are pretty useful too. LoL Of course I, would add many extras -independently powered; primary and secondary shielding systems, multiple cloaking systems, and (obviously)-overpowered weapons -(including an additional collection of phazer grids: on the usual parts one would expect them to be -top-&-bottom of the command section, on the wings -(top-&-bottom), and on it's rear -(again, top-&-botton with a clear shot at anything anywhere behind it) -PLUS...the most advanced medical systems equipped medical stations Federation STARFLEET TECH can, "generously donate"). Just as important, would be equally enhanced personal quarters, and... recreational facilities/training equipment -(A.K.A.=an advanced holodeck ..or two).
A question; is there any records of the naming conventions they use for Klingon ships? I mean, federation ships are named for locations, scientists, battles, so I'd suspect that Klingon vessels might be named for military leaders or famous battles?
If I could have any ship in the yard it would be a Klingon Bird of prey equipped with multi-phasic shielding and a quantum slipstream drive! Oh and a food replicator, I dont think they were equipped with one.
I would have a beer and salted peanut replicator and moon DS9 after I de-cloak with my Romulan girl friend and hand picked Klingon crew that has no honor. That would be the perfect weekend. LOL.
I fancy that the bird of prey looks much more aerodynamically viable than, say, the ships of the star trek fleet. Not that there is necessarily any air (atmosphere) of course but then again there may be if they are allowed to fly over planets? Anyway they look seriously cool!
The unanswered question about its design is *warp nacelles.* It doesn't appear to have any on pylons and the large engine outlet on the back is too big for just a impulse drive. Could it be that Birds of Prey have a single warp nacelle, mounted internally with the back exposed? While not having the redundancy of two nacelles it does protect the drive from being targeted as easily, and apparently doesn't affect maneuverability. But how do they shield against it. According to some lore, warp nacelles have to be away from the ship because of dangerous radiation, and also need a uninterrupted line of sight between them to form the field. Although various _shuttle designs and the Defiant_ contradict this layout. And if this layout is effective, why don't most (at least smaller) ships have a single internal nacelle to remove that vulnerability. Or does the *B'rel* use some _other form of warp propulsion?_ There are other factions that either don't use nacelles but have some sort of engine port, like the *Ferengi Marauder,* Hirogen ships, and the biggy, that has a completely internal warp drive with no visible outlet - *Siliban cell ships.* Is there some advantage to having nacelles over other warp drive systems or should Archer have hightailed it back to Earth and Starfleet engineering as soon as they captured a Siliban cell ship early on for them to reverse engineer it, instead of just letting Trip try and figure it out in his spare time till it was lost. Well since they would have gotten cloaking tech retrofitted by approximately the end of series one…yes. [Part of a new series spin off series … *STAR TREK: PRAGMATIC* ]
@@chrissonofpear1384 Interesting, something that should be mentioned in any technical breakdown of the ship perhaps? And what are the advantages and disadvantages of that system vs traditional nacelles (which the big Klingon cruisers ect still use). But I stand by my views on *STAR TREK: PRAGMATIC*
Its stated in some sources (can't remember where, sorry) that nacelles aren't required to make warp fields. But they do allow for optimization of those warp fields. So without externally mounted nacelles, the efficiency of the warp drive is affected. The Defiant class has a significantly less efficient warp drive compared to a Galaxy class, for example, due to the design and placement of the nacelles. Basically it has to expend more dilithium to achieve the same speeds. The trade off is that the nacelles (or equivalent) are much less vulnerable to enemy attacks. So basically they don't work as well but aren't as easy to take out, an acceptable trade off for a warship.
The idea that they NEEDED an uninterrupted line of sight between the nacelles was contradicted before it was even written down, which is why it wasn't repeated much. Very few ships in the original series had visible nacelles, and the ones that did were almost entirely Starfleet. Basically, the external nacelles are a visual design of Starfleet, that people writing supplementary material tried to justify much later.
Seems like a very good design overall, just needs a few upgrades/adjustments: 1) Needs at least one rear-mounted disruptor bank/cannon. The idea that it cannot properly defend itself unless attacking an enemy head-on may be in style with Klingon tradition, but it won't do you jack-shit if you're dead. The Klingon Empire can ill afford to lose such seasoned warriors and such valuable ships, especially after the slugging match that was the Dominion War. 2) Complete tech upgrade/overhaul. Klingons don't focus as much on R&D when compared to the Federation, but even the most hardened warrior will appreciate a shiny new, far more powerful pair of disruptor cannons mounted on his favorite ship. Better cloaks and stronger shields, as well as more durable hull plating, would also be beneficial.
No way even with the advantage it had should a single B'rel be able to survive combat against a Galaxy class starship. The instant those torpedoes were fired Riker should have ordered that ship to cease existing. But no, what does Riker do? Tries to run and exposes the most vulnerable part of the ship to his foe. Riker, you are a bad captain.
More like some one decided to destroy the ship and decided to not waste time and energy coming up with a better way to destroy the enterprise. I blame lazy writing more than Riker.
Well, the fixed forward weapons make sense considering that the Klingons seem to prefer head-on attacks over being sneaky and underhanded (with Chang being a possible exception), but the cloak would probably open up a number of tactical options.
@@TruePacifist201 yet the cloak seems to go against the whole honor thing as well... Klingon's just so hypocritical. As far as the forward facing cannons if the cannons put out better damage then omni directional emitters sure that can make up for the lack of firing arc, one would think the design would be improved over the years with at the very least a rear facing turret and better shields/armor
Given their strange placement away from the hull out on the wings like that you'd assume the disruptor would be turreted so they could swivel, but I've never seen them do anything like that.
I know they weren't BoP's, but their design would have most likely have been nearly the same just scaled up, but the Klingon ships in Into Darkness were a fantastic take on the design.
Can you guys do the Prometheus type Battlestar, from the (non-canon) Battlestar Galactica Moore extension series. In particular, I'd like to know what the Prometheus class Battlestar Galactica would have been like, since it was meant to replace the Jupiter Class Battlestar Galactica that was retiring, and had been in construction during the first episode (the mini-series pilot) of Battlestar Galactica. I'd like to know, specifically, what life on the ship would be like, how it would function with its more advanced systems (compared to the Jupiter class), if it would have held a true claim to the title of Galactica after the Jupiter class from the first war, and finally, if the civilian fleet that escapes the Colonial Colanies (during the second Cylon War) would have fared better if they were escorted by the Prometheus class Battlestar Galactica, instead of the Jupiter class Battlestar Galactica? I would also like to know your thoughts, on whether or not the newer, sleeker, more technologically advanced Prometheus type Battlestar, would be a better setting for the coming Battlestar Galactica Reboot, then if it was again set on a Ageing, to be retired, vessel?
Fun Fact: when designing this ship for the movie Star Trek III, the model designers wanted to make a ship that would give the impression of a football player, with a helmet with chin-guard, and bulky shoulder pads.
Klingons?! Divert all power to weapons. Our prey is within our grasp! Enemy scout eliminated. Enemy cruiser eliminated. Our prey is within our sights. Our shields are down. Hull integrity is at 50%! Klingons?! Admiral Jarok has captured the Nimbus III system.
Can we have an article on 'magic' pseudo tech used to hand wave physics away, such as Intertial Dampers, Heisenberg Compensators, and/or Antimatter Containment?
The only reason why I would get the Fleet T6 Klingon Bird of Prey for my klingon is because he had the same looking ship but it was T1 and now I want Fleet T6
Just realized that the "feathered" wing design indicates that the B'Rel could have been a direct result of design influences from the Klingon-Romulan alliance which saw technology trades between the two powers. This had led to designs like the D-7 and K'Tinga designs being given to the Romulans and more advanced disruptors and cloaking devices being given to the Klingons.
Daniel Haire the feathered wings were because it was designed as a Romulan ship for Star Trek 3, before a decision to change the antagonists from Romulans to Klingons. The Klingons were to be using a captured Romulan ship at that point. They then just did away with the Romulan connection altogether
@@Vaultboy-ke2jj The didn't do away with it, but they didn't use it for that movie. In the canon, the BoPs were inspired by the ships that the Romulans gave the Klingons when they were allies. The Romulans used bird looking ships, and the Klingons loved the idea of ships that looked like fast, silent, predatory birds (the romulan version was inspired by their equivalent of a falcon).
@@Vaultboy-ke2jj Yeah, and Enterprise ret-conned quite a few things. Before Enterprise, it had been stated that the Romulans gave the cloaking device and a few other techs to the Klingons long before humans had gotten into space for the first time.
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Spacedock I really enjoy your content.
But I want to ask when will the sojourn come out
Sweet!
By the way, great video. If I could make a request, could you create a versus video of the B'rel bird-of-prey, against the Jem'Hadar Fighter? I would assume that would be a very close match up, as clips within this video highlights.
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@Huxley Alec definitely, have been watching on flixzone for since november myself :D
This video brings much honour to this channel.
I remember how Kor was going against 10 Jem'Hadar Attack ship in a BoP with skeleton crew and he managed to hold them of long enough so Martok and his fleet could escape.
Great ship, greater Klingon.
To Kor, the Dahar master!
In the final words of Kor, the Dahar Master, "Long Live the Empire!"
*raises a bottle of 2309*
Some say he's still out there . . .
Or else I will turn your brain into a veggie table!
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This has always been my favorite non-Federation design, for about as long as I can remember. A true classic.
As I said, the "feather" panels aren't decals. They are actual, legit hull plates with significant depth delineating them from one another.
Just going through the old spacedock playlist videos it's always nice to see the content quality was even great back in the day
I love the design of the B'rel birds of prey! They fit perfectly in groups of 3 or 4.
QAPLA' Spacedock!
the Bird of Prey was always my favorite
139m? Klingon BOP size controversy here we go again.
Saw an infographic that had 88 meters. People can't make their minds up.
They forget Star Trek III
It must be a RetCon. Information I saw from star trek magazine(?) - with all the Paramount logos - put the cruiser configuration as 137 m/450 ft (so I accept 139 m) having a crew of 36 and the scout configuration is 91 m/300 ft having a crew of 12. The "Bounty" BOP in Star Trek III and IV had to be a scout, otherwise every US spy agency would have been in Golden Gate park trying to figure out the hidden solid object in the park that everyone found given how busy GG park is.
The Klingons used the B'Rel as a basis for other BoP designs including the short-lived K'Vort Class BoP Cruiser variant (640 m). Size differences abounded between the classes and sub-classes.
@@danielhaire6677 I have a better explanation... lazy writting and/or a lack of time given to model makers. Every time we see a K'vort it really should have been a Vor'cha. Upscaling a ship/aircraft and keeping proportions of each component precisely the same just doesn't make any sense... unless a K'vort is firing equally upsized torpedoes from its now massively oversized torpedolauncher...
Personally I don't aknowlege the K'vort as existing... It's just a stand in pretending to be something else that for whatever reason they aren't able to show.
One thing I had always wondered about is the Bird of Prey captained by Klaa in Star Trek 5:The Final Frontier was the same class as that Bird of Prey controlled by the Duras Sisters the Enterprise D encountered in Star Trek Generations and the reason I ask that is because both ships had the same scope that Klaa and Lursa or was it B'Etor that sat in the chair and started shooting at the Enterprise after they got the ships shield frequencies.
i'm surprised it took this long for the bird of prey to be featured.
One thing I had always wondered about is ever since I first saw the Klingon Bird of Prey in Star Trek 3:The Search for Spock and that is who came up with the Bird of Prey and who designed and created it for the movies and the Star Trek series as it had been seen numerous times in both Star Trek the Next Generation and Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
ILM designed the Bird of Prey
I just wanted to take a moment to say that I like this narrator. :) Don't get me wrong, I love Daniel's voice, too. While Daniel has what can be described as a bit more than slightly urgent tone, as if someone were declaring a red alert along with its associated pertinent information over a PA system (without being overtly annoying, I might quickly add!) along with a hint/dash of excitement/passion for the material being discussed, this gentleman has a more laid back almost scholarly tone that is quite soothing to listen to and which helps lull your mind into a state suitable for absorbing large amounts of disparate information. It's a nice contrast and by having more than one narrator it helps to constantly refresh the feel of the show so that your mind doesn't become numbed by hearing the same voice over and over again. Again, not that having Daniel doing the narration for so long was a bad thing! It's just great addition. Keep up the _stellar_ work, Spacedock crew! :)
Glory and honor to the house of Spacedock!
You had me right from the battlezone 2 music - but my brother's a big fan of the B'rel, I came here to give this to him :) Thanks for the upload!
Hi Daniel, I do love the Bird of Pray style of ship It is to me what the Klingon on Heart is to war, a vital part of the whole Klingon Fleet.
YES! This is my favorite starship from Star Trek.
Different ship, visually similar - Trek code for: we used the same model for filming but didn’t bother with the scale changes
Hey Dan, could you please give us an update on *The Sojourn* project please? I really want to know when/where we can watch it for real.
Klingon Bird of Prey One of my Favorite ST Ship
Don't forget that Prototype Klingon Bird of Prey from Star Trek 6:The Undiscovered Country that ship was built to be able to fire it's weapons while cloaked and that was proven when it opened fire on the K'Tinga class Battle Cruiser Quonos 1 with the Klingon High Chancellor Gorkon on board,it severely damaged the Constitution Refit Class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-A and damaged the U.S.S. Excelsior NCC-2000 before both ships destroyed the Prototype by using a modified photon torpedo from the Enterprise to lock in on the Bird of Prey's gas emissions or as Lt. Uhura put it 'The Thing's Gotta have a Tailpipe'.
The B'rel class Bird-of-Prey is my favorite Starship of all time it's crew ranging from 12 to 36 top speed of warp 9.6
A video worthy for the Empire!
Another great installment.
Great edits of the ship....pretty awesome actually.
Thank you
My favorite ship design in Star Trek !
In the old star fleet battles table top game it. the bird of prey was simple awesome. It was a glass cannon but with the cloaking it was really a match for most ships
Simply put my favorite sci-fi ship
I've always found Klingon tactics to be a little at odds with their culture... cloaking devices and hit-and-run tactics are hardly "honorable" and all that, but they do allow the Klingons to leverage their (supposedly) highly skilled infantry in boarding parties while minimizing they time they potentially spend in ship-to-ship combat. As I also understand it (and I could be wrong, I'm no expert) a lot of the empire was built on raiding nearby systems, which would require such tactics to evade local defense fleets... so, maybe.
There is nothing more honorable in battle than victory.
As mentioned in your comment, those tactics would have been necessary in early klingon history, and I can easily see how those tactics which won them so many early battles would come to be seen as tacitly honorable by later generations.
Their culture is a strong warrior culture where all Klingons are expected to able to fight. The birds of prey are cheap easy to maintain ships that even the smallest house can get their hands on. These are ships that all Klingons can fight with and so gain a path to glory.
victory is honorable, thereby all means to achieve victory are honorable
Honour is not found on the battlefield, it is what happens after when the enemy is at your mercy.
@@Zergonapal not according to Klingon after all they kill enemy wounded in the hospital.
Someone please do a Spacedock video on the Klingon ships of the 22nd century during the time of Captain Jonathan Archer.
Well done. You may want to include some info about the studio model as well.
One of the most iconic ship designs in Star Trek, second only to Romulan D'deridex-class, B-type warbird!
Yeah. It's also one of the reasons I like the Romulan Valdore class. It looks like a sleeker BoP
Daniel...... you are the Best!
The Klingons sold old Birds of Prey on the open market with *cloaks intact* but weapons removed, which could of course be bought separately from arms merchants.
Some Ferengi got a few and reequipped them with disruptors and used them to surprise the Enterprise in the TNG episode "Rascals" [yes, that one when Ro Laren, Captain Picard, Keiko, and Guinan get turned into children].
Now that opens up a lot of possibilities [no not the Enterprise discovered how to reverse aging] for various parties getting their hands on one.
Imagine the fun the Marquis could have got up to with one if they equipped it with original weaponry. The Klingon Cardassian war could have started before the wormhole was even discovered.
A minor backward alien species could buy a few and copy the design or just some of the tech and get a big boost in capabilities.
And buyers aren't limited by the original design, phasers could be fitted. And imagine if the stealth coating from the _'Fortune'_ from the TNG two parter Gambit was applied…
But from a story telling experience the most interesting possibility is if a independent merchant owner operator looks at it and goes "This has almost as much cargo capacity as a *_'Firefly'_* class ship, I'll get it.
I have never really noticed this before but... where exactly are the Warp Engines on a Bird of Prey? I dont see them anywhere?
The K'Vort ain't that big :) Ignore most of the specs from the DS9 TM; its authors freely admit it was a rushed job.
Moreover, I don't know what you mean by "featherlike decals." Take a hard look at the studio mini. Those are flat-out panels, with recessed areas between them (probably light armor plating). I imagine the red pattern on the ventral wings were painted on since decals are flimsy and easily torn even after sealant coats.
I almost thought B'rells looked like a perfect climate for heat stroke
Please do one on the LARGER classes of Klingon BOP's and Heavy Cruisers, Dreadnaughts.
Awesome work, thank you, keep it up, guys
my most favorite ship of star trek closely followed by the Galor class
For the Empire!
The B'Rel is basically the child of a starfighter and a space U-Boat
I love the B'rel!
If you had to build up a fleet of purpose built spaceships; i.e.: Gunships, Corvettes, Frigates, Destroyers, Cruisers, Battleships, Carriers, other specialty classes. But you were not allowed to use any pre-designed ships from any property: what would each ship be, what would there role be in the fleet, how what would the ratio of each class be?
Also, first.
A2RGaming. That depends alot on mechanics of the setting. Do we have FTL? How does it work? How big/ small are the subsystems of ship construction (i.e. weapons, sensors, power plants, drive units, life support, communications, etc.)? How powerful are those subsystems? What kind of artificial gravity is being used? Are we using actual vector manuevering?
A lot goes into designing ships. Just asking to do it from scratch with no idea about anything else "in universe" makes it a mute point.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 No FTL. Pure Newtonian Physics. Current and near-future tech. Think 2050 tech as a starting point.
@Chris Shilts Permanent lunar colony, Mars outpost/early Mars colony, space elevator under construction/finished. Factions would more than likely include, but not limited to the following: NATO, pacific-based NATO equivalent, EU (if they last that long), BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China (DRC), South Africa), Latin America, and non-Aligned. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty of 1964 has been modified or revoked (prevents nuclear, biological, chemical weapons in space, or the testing of such things, whether for military or civilian use), so you can now use nuclear engines. Early use of the space navy will be used defensively to prevent piracy and maintain trade routes. If you wish for this hypothetical situation to go on for a few decades or centuries, then you can add more systems into the equation.
@@a2rgaming863 In this situation I see long mission duration cruisers with thermo nuclear warhead missiles and probably small conventional warhead missiles for point defense. This will be very similar to sub warfare in my opinion.
Most factions will only have two or three ships operational. Some won't have any. Latin America and non-Aligned will most likely fall into this catagory. EU and NATO overlap quite a bit, so they would fall apart early on as the US won't want to pay for the EU's expansion. Of them UK, France, and Germany would probably have a vessel each and operate independantly. BRICS would break apart for sure as Russia would want the dominant military position, muscle out Brazil's growing industrial base to prevent Brazil overshadowing them, and restrict India's colonization elsewhere as with India's population, they would quickly come to dominate any colonization effort. Russia would try to hold them together under Russian control, but eventually demands made by Brazil and India would force Russia to exclude them and they would leave BRICS. I see Russia have 2 vessels. India and Brazil together might get 1 vessel. The US would have two vessels.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 To be effective, you'd need at least 2 -3 of any ship in order to have at least one operational and on patrol at all times, this is why the US has 13 carriers. At any given time you'lll have 1 ship at port undergoing routing maintenance and their crew getting R&R and/or undergoing additional training. You'll then have another ship at port getting ready to go out on patrol, fueling up, being rearmed, bringing supplies aboard, etc. Then, lastly, you'll have 1 ship actually out there on patrol doing its job. Having only a single ship means that your ship will only spend about half of its time out on patrol and the other hallf at port with no one else to take its place. Two ships would allow for one out on patrol at all times but at the cost of greater stress on both ship and crew sine it would allow for less down time betwen patrols and maintenance would need to be done at a quicker pace.
I enjoy this video, and the voice narration was very pleasing. I'm very sorry but Daniel voice comes across as a bit harsh and not as smooth to listen to especially when listening about technology. So I was pleased to hear this information delivered in a smooth and steady pleasing voice. It can take a bit of practice to hit that exact tone that doesn't come across as too loud or harsh or accented, and this was done perfectly.
General Chang:"I can see you,Kirk. Can you see me?"
I have Chang's B'rel in Star Trek Online :)
"Oh be honest now, Captain; warrior to warrior, you do prefer it this way, don't you? As it was meant to be--no peace in our time. 'Once more unto the breach, dear friends.' TaH paH, taH be'!"
CRY HAVOC, AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR!!!
Eric Dunn “To be... or not... to be”
I love the B'Rel class ships. I'll take three please.
i want one as my personal ship.
Star Trek vessels are basically analogous to sea going battleships - I think the cloaking BoP makes a good submarine analog - lying in wait, popping up to fire a torpedo before disappearing deep again to evade
The most deadly of all space birds.
Tell that to the Romulans. LOL.
You know it's funny that the Klingon Bird of Prey stolen by Admiral Kirk and his crew was ironically the I.K.S. B'REL the first ship of the B'REL class Bird of Prey which in some ways it would explain why the Klingons wanted Kirk in Star Trek 4 as he stole the first ship of this class.
It's the cloak that makes it dangerous. Without it, it's no more imposing than any other small patrol craft. Even a Miranda out guns it. And a Defiant can absorb more punishment. I think that crutch is holding Klingons back from building more advanced ships. The only thing really keeping the Federation from waltzing over their border and clobbering them in their next battle is the Federations generally pacifist policies.
True the cloak acts sort of like a clutch (spell check again). But as he said, a Br'ell in the hands of a damn good pilot/captain brings it from being a minor threat to a God Killer. (Spell check fucked up again) Star Trek V lol
@@BlueBoxRevan also that they can work in groups, sure 1v1 it is way out classed by a miranda, but a mirand is crewed by about 200 I believe? if a bird of prey is crewed by 36 and we evened up those numbers that would be 5 bird of prey vs a miranda and well not hard to imagine that miranda going down without putting up a fight at all(I know very odd way to even it up).
A lot of the hostile powers don't realize how lucky they are that the Federation isn't interested in aggressive expansion.
Um except remember when the Klingons invaded the federation in ds9 and kicked its ass?
@@Brendissimo1 You mean where one station stood alone and unreinforced against an entire fleet, destroyed over 50 of them, beat back their boarding parties and ultimately forced them to withdraw or have a federation fleet outflank them? Yes I remember.
I wish I had a few of these things. The landing on, and launching from a planet's surface, is a key advantage, for all versions of, BIRD OF PREY, ships. -The cloaking systems are pretty useful too. LoL
Of course I, would add many extras -independently powered; primary and secondary shielding systems, multiple cloaking systems, and (obviously)-overpowered weapons -(including an additional collection of phazer grids: on the usual parts one would expect them to be -top-&-bottom of the command section, on the wings -(top-&-bottom), and on it's rear -(again, top-&-botton with a clear shot at anything anywhere behind it) -PLUS...the most advanced medical systems equipped medical stations Federation STARFLEET TECH can, "generously donate"). Just as important, would be equally enhanced personal quarters, and... recreational facilities/training equipment -(A.K.A.=an advanced holodeck ..or two).
A question; is there any records of the naming conventions they use for Klingon ships? I mean, federation ships are named for locations, scientists, battles, so I'd suspect that Klingon vessels might be named for military leaders or famous battles?
'Speed, aggression, surprise!'
If I could have any ship in the yard it would be a Klingon Bird of prey equipped with multi-phasic shielding and a quantum slipstream drive! Oh and a food replicator, I dont think they were equipped with one.
I would have a beer and salted peanut replicator and moon DS9 after I de-cloak with my Romulan girl friend and hand picked Klingon crew that has no honor. That would be the perfect weekend. LOL.
The B'Rel Class originally crewed a dozen officers and men Star Trek III
That is probably more of a minimum complement. 36 may include boarding parties.
@@rockacraig5653 that's the K'Vort Class....
I fancy that the bird of prey looks much more aerodynamically viable than, say, the ships of the star trek fleet. Not that there is necessarily any air (atmosphere) of course but then again there may be if they are allowed to fly over planets? Anyway they look seriously cool!
The unanswered question about its design is *warp nacelles.* It doesn't appear to have any on pylons and the large engine outlet on the back is too big for just a impulse drive. Could it be that Birds of Prey have a single warp nacelle, mounted internally with the back exposed?
While not having the redundancy of two nacelles it does protect the drive from being targeted as easily, and apparently doesn't affect maneuverability. But how do they shield against it. According to some lore, warp nacelles have to be away from the ship because of dangerous radiation, and also need a uninterrupted line of sight between them to form the field.
Although various _shuttle designs and the Defiant_ contradict this layout.
And if this layout is effective, why don't most (at least smaller) ships have a single internal nacelle to remove that vulnerability.
Or does the *B'rel* use some _other form of warp propulsion?_
There are other factions that either don't use nacelles but have some sort of engine port, like the *Ferengi Marauder,* Hirogen ships, and the biggy, that has a completely internal warp drive with no visible outlet - *Siliban cell ships.*
Is there some advantage to having nacelles over other warp drive systems or should Archer have hightailed it back to Earth and Starfleet engineering as soon as they captured a Siliban cell ship early on for them to reverse engineer it, instead of just letting Trip try and figure it out in his spare time till it was lost.
Well since they would have gotten cloaking tech retrofitted by approximately the end of series one…yes.
[Part of a new series spin off series … *STAR TREK: PRAGMATIC* ]
Well... now you know why it is so hot in a BOP
chris sonofpear1 Yes 👽💚
@@chrissonofpear1384 Interesting, something that should be mentioned in any technical breakdown of the ship perhaps?
And what are the advantages and disadvantages of that system vs traditional nacelles (which the big Klingon cruisers ect still use).
But I stand by my views on *STAR TREK: PRAGMATIC*
Its stated in some sources (can't remember where, sorry) that nacelles aren't required to make warp fields. But they do allow for optimization of those warp fields. So without externally mounted nacelles, the efficiency of the warp drive is affected. The Defiant class has a significantly less efficient warp drive compared to a Galaxy class, for example, due to the design and placement of the nacelles. Basically it has to expend more dilithium to achieve the same speeds. The trade off is that the nacelles (or equivalent) are much less vulnerable to enemy attacks. So basically they don't work as well but aren't as easy to take out, an acceptable trade off for a warship.
The idea that they NEEDED an uninterrupted line of sight between the nacelles was contradicted before it was even written down, which is why it wasn't repeated much. Very few ships in the original series had visible nacelles, and the ones that did were almost entirely Starfleet. Basically, the external nacelles are a visual design of Starfleet, that people writing supplementary material tried to justify much later.
The reason I started playing star trek online was for this ship
Seems like a very good design overall, just needs a few upgrades/adjustments:
1) Needs at least one rear-mounted disruptor bank/cannon. The idea that it cannot properly defend itself unless attacking an enemy head-on may be in style with Klingon tradition, but it won't do you jack-shit if you're dead. The Klingon Empire can ill afford to lose such seasoned warriors and such valuable ships, especially after the slugging match that was the Dominion War.
2) Complete tech upgrade/overhaul. Klingons don't focus as much on R&D when compared to the Federation, but even the most hardened warrior will appreciate a shiny new, far more powerful pair of disruptor cannons mounted on his favorite ship. Better cloaks and stronger shields, as well as more durable hull plating, would also be beneficial.
Could you do a break down of the Achilles class from ds9 dominion wars game??
I pretty sure theres no Raktajino machine but there could be a Blood Wine fountain on board.
I kinda want one of those ships as my ship!
I want a D-7 with a Klingon crew with no honor. LOL.
Maaaate gotta get me one of them Guinevere T-shirts!
The T-tank serie of Star Trek ships. Which makes sense since the Klingons were/are supposed to be the equivalent of Soviet Union/Russia.
My favorite ship in the Star Trek universe and I name my car the Bird of Prey.
Finally, some Trek!
finally another star trek episode!! :D
my favorite alien ship in star trek. Possible even in all of syfy!
You have to do Ornithopters from Dune!
So weird. My phone says no views but there are 30 comments? Odd. Good video though. I'd love to see more vids on the klingons
CCS battlecruiser. Keeping the dream alive.
Love the klingons.
No way even with the advantage it had should a single B'rel be able to survive combat against a Galaxy class starship. The instant those torpedoes were fired Riker should have ordered that ship to cease existing. But no, what does Riker do? Tries to run and exposes the most vulnerable part of the ship to his foe. Riker, you are a bad captain.
Wasn't a B'rel. That was the much larger K'vort Class Bird Of Prey.
Not sure why they showed footage of it in this video.
More like some one decided to destroy the ship and decided to not waste time and energy coming up with a better way to destroy the enterprise. I blame lazy writing more than Riker.
Forwards facing cannons/backwards design philosophy sums up the Klingons.
Well, the fixed forward weapons make sense considering that the Klingons seem to prefer head-on attacks over being sneaky and underhanded (with Chang being a possible exception), but the cloak would probably open up a number of tactical options.
@@TruePacifist201 yet the cloak seems to go against the whole honor thing as well... Klingon's just so hypocritical. As far as the forward facing cannons if the cannons put out better damage then omni directional emitters sure that can make up for the lack of firing arc, one would think the design would be improved over the years with at the very least a rear facing turret and better shields/armor
They do at least seem to have aft torpedo launchers.
Given their strange placement away from the hull out on the wings like that you'd assume the disruptor would be turreted so they could swivel, but I've never seen them do anything like that.
@@akulatraxus9153 They are on gimbles but are still stuck facing forward.
Can you do the adamant frigate or arachne cruiser from battlestar galactica deadlock please?
"War is a lot more fun when you're winning."
I know they weren't BoP's, but their design would have most likely have been nearly the same just scaled up, but the Klingon ships in Into Darkness were a fantastic take on the design.
Can you guys do the Prometheus type Battlestar, from the (non-canon) Battlestar Galactica Moore extension series. In particular, I'd like to know what the Prometheus class Battlestar Galactica would have been like, since it was meant to replace the Jupiter Class Battlestar Galactica that was retiring, and had been in construction during the first episode (the mini-series pilot) of Battlestar Galactica. I'd like to know, specifically, what life on the ship would be like, how it would function with its more advanced systems (compared to the Jupiter class), if it would have held a true claim to the title of Galactica after the Jupiter class from the first war, and finally, if the civilian fleet that escapes the Colonial Colanies (during the second Cylon War) would have fared better if they were escorted by the Prometheus class Battlestar Galactica, instead of the Jupiter class Battlestar Galactica?
I would also like to know your thoughts, on whether or not the newer, sleeker, more technologically advanced Prometheus type Battlestar, would be a better setting for the coming Battlestar Galactica Reboot, then if it was again set on a Ageing, to be retired, vessel?
You still need to do a series on the Homeworld Series.
The legendary Bird of Prey the B'rel Class are the Klingon's response to the Federation
Awesome!!!!
Last time I was this early, Klingons didn't have forehead ridges.
Ever considered making any episodes for a ship from a shmup or bullet hell? Like Galaga or Ikaruga?
Fun Fact: when designing this ship for the movie Star Trek III, the model designers wanted to make a ship that would give the impression of a football player, with a helmet with chin-guard, and bulky shoulder pads.
Klingons?!
Divert all power to weapons.
Our prey is within our grasp!
Enemy scout eliminated.
Enemy cruiser eliminated.
Our prey is within our sights.
Our shields are down.
Hull integrity is at 50%!
Klingons?!
Admiral Jarok has captured the Nimbus III system.
Can we have an article on 'magic' pseudo tech used to hand wave physics away, such as Intertial Dampers, Heisenberg Compensators, and/or Antimatter Containment?
I have dozens of models and toys of this ship.
Are you going to do a ship or mech in the battletech universe with Mechwarrior 5 coming out soon?
Qa'pla! For the B'rel, for the Empire!
Coolest ship name ever
Nice.
The only reason why I would get the Fleet T6 Klingon Bird of Prey for my klingon is because he had the same looking ship but it was T1 and now I want Fleet T6
“ Beautiful “ “ Ship “
When will we see more sourgourn?
Starfleet Command 3 has been updated to work on Windows 10 and is on GOG!!! I don't work for them. I just love that game.
Any chance Robotech might get a shot?
I'd love to see at least a few vids, especially for the Zentradi mechs
Buddy Jones I would love to see Robotech, but Harmony Gold might still try to jump on it. They’re kind of assholes about it.
FIRST!
I'm so early the Hur'Q haven't invaded Qo'nos yet.
What other outdated early comment jokes can I make?
that one doesn't really work in my opinion
I’m so early that Kahless hasn’t yet grown a beard
@@CanMav I thought he was born with a beard.
you were so early you witnessed the death of their gods 😛
@@brothersgt.grauwolff6716 You mean you are so early the gods just finished the female heat and now are in the process of sh**ing themselves
Just realized that the "feathered" wing design indicates that the B'Rel could have been a direct result of design influences from the Klingon-Romulan alliance which saw technology trades between the two powers. This had led to designs like the D-7 and K'Tinga designs being given to the Romulans and more advanced disruptors and cloaking devices being given to the Klingons.
Daniel Haire the feathered wings were because it was designed as a Romulan ship for Star Trek 3, before a decision to change the antagonists from Romulans to Klingons. The Klingons were to be using a captured Romulan ship at that point. They then just did away with the Romulan connection altogether
@@Vaultboy-ke2jj The didn't do away with it, but they didn't use it for that movie. In the canon, the BoPs were inspired by the ships that the Romulans gave the Klingons when they were allies. The Romulans used bird looking ships, and the Klingons loved the idea of ships that looked like fast, silent, predatory birds (the romulan version was inspired by their equivalent of a falcon).
milamberarial that’s not canon because Enterprise showed the Klingons using the bird of prey long before
@@Vaultboy-ke2jj The ship shown in Star Enterprise was not a Bird of Prey. It was never named and did not have the feather wings.
@@Vaultboy-ke2jj Yeah, and Enterprise ret-conned quite a few things. Before Enterprise, it had been stated that the Romulans gave the cloaking device and a few other techs to the Klingons long before humans had gotten into space for the first time.