It has nothing to do with dated source material. Ted’s story is entirely original to the movie. I don’t think he even has a name in the book. He’s just a kid who comes to ask the Once-ler about the Lorax, and that’s the extent of his role in the story.
They could have had him also interested in trees, still introduced by his crush but also learns to like it for himself. Ted is kinda a ‘nice guy’ only liking something or pretending to like something for a girl.
The romantic subplot between Ted and Audrey only exists to set off Ted’s motivation in finding the Once-Ler in the 2012 animated Lorax movie where he tells him the backstory, to find out how to plant a tree to impress Audrey and win her heart, which feels unnecessary as his motivation in the book and 1972 animated special was simply to learn about the Lorax and what happened to the nature and trees in the lands and how it was turned from a nature paradise into a post apocalyptic wasteland.
The biggest flaw in this movie, to me, is how overt and unsubtle the message is now. In the books and the 1972 short film, there was no O'Hare, and the Once-ler was kept faceless to represent that anyone could become him. Plus, The Once-ler didn't turn evil, per se. The short especially shows that Once-ler feels bad for the what his factory is doing to the animals, but at the same time, pointed out how just shutting down the factory would put hundreds of people out of a job and impact the economy. The message doesn't completely demonize industry but still shows the impact it can have. There is no clear solution for how to fix everything, and anyone can just as easily help or be part of the problem. This film takes a dump on that nuanced message and completely waters everything down to "environment good, industry bad" and then puts out that hypocritical Mazda commercial. You should watch the short for comparison, it's leagues better.
Exactly!! The book ended on a cliffhanger in which you didn't even know whether or not the kid decided to save the trees. The kid was also kept nameless and generic in appearance as a stand-in for us as an audience/reader. The whole thing was telling us to make up our own minds, but consider the consequences first. Not this linear narrative that the movie created.
This is what people always miss about this story. The point is that there's no one correct answer, and every choice will have consequences. I think it's important for kids to have stories with nuance that encourage them to ponder things and come up with their own answers. And to acknowledge and accept the potential consequences of those answers. Watered down stories like don't engage audiences or encourage any sort of thinking.
I totally agree with this, I've heard some people working on the design for the once-ler that it was an hard decision. They gave him a face to make him more human, and gave him a "silly" personality to show how even the "good" people can become full of greed with time. Instead people over sympathized with the character because at the same time they made him more relatable to the audience and..that led to an overall weaker message.
If they wanted to keep the Oncelers face a secret. Then what they should’ve done is have him wear sunglasses for most of the movie and have his back turned whenever he is doing something bad.
As much as I like that song, there’s a cut song called Biggering that’s even better. Not only is it better musically, but it’s much more faithful to the original book
There was a song that was gonna be in the movie, but was actually cut for How bad can I be, it’s called Biggering. It sounds 10 times better than How Bad Can I Be ever could dream to be. The song was cut for being too dark and disturbing.
I’m SO GLAD that someone else mentioned Biggering because I am OBSESSED with it!!!! (to the point where it was one of my top listened to songs last year) It’s such a fantastic piece of music and it’s such a shame they cut it from the movie
The movie would have been more in the spirit of the book if they kept it. I get why it was taken out because it doesn't fit the same tone as the other songs or the tone in general, they would have to make the ending more serious
"The song was cut for being too dark and disturbing." And thats exactly why it should have been in the movie. The movie would have been a little bit more memorable if that song was there.
The Lorax says that it was cold outside so he and the forest animals had to sleep with the Once-Ler but it is the middle of summer outside, it is warm enough for them to be outdoors!
"Fun" Fact: Dr Seuss never wanted his books to be turned into films. After he died, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED. This is almost as worse as the Steven Hillenburg situation.
At least Stephen Hillenburg made a true end to Spongebob before he died; one that will always be the end. Any spin-offs, were before the first movie. Any movie/episodes after that, were before plankton had found plan Z. With the Lorax, he didn't have any way of avoiding it after his death, so this was, upsettingly, bound to happen. And illumination cut a song, that i would at least, Dr. Seuss would be at least semi-proud of-- being Biggering, as Biggering has a much truer perception. Although, the book was showing there are pros and cons of both industry v.s. the environment, as one comment on this video says, "The message doesn't completely demonize industry but still shows the impact it can have. There is no clear solution for how to fix everything, and anyone can just as easily help or be part of the problem." (DanGamingFan2406). This quote shows my point, as the true message of the book is how you can help solve the problem, yes, but people may cause problems for their own benefit. When said people try to help the environment, they also can break down current society unless they find a solution; for example, fossil fuels and solar panels. If we find a balance for both the environmental health and industry, we can find the best of both things. They also added a cardboard villain, being O'Hare. there was no true need for his character in the movie, other than to be the 'antagonist' to Ted, since this movie focuses on an older Onceler, not about his capitalist greed or his whole story about the effect he had on the trees, like in the book. O'Hare is the villain, for the sake of being a villain. I would also go into detail about how the movie should've been about the Onceler's decent into corperate greed, peaking around 3/5 into the movie, then should've had a redemption ark, but this paragraph is already longer then my school essays, so i'll stop. So, as you can see, The 2012 Lorax movie was un-premited by Dr Seuss, and wouldn't even make him proud to get the same message across, which is why it needs to either dissapear, or some people need to team up and make a truthful The Lorax movie that holds up the name of the book. I apologize for boring you for, however long this paragraph takes to read.
My actual least favorite illumination movie, it's an active bastardization of the orignal story that had the audacity to be sponsoed by an air polluting car. I genuinely hate what this movie stands for.
love that Dazz doesn't know a tumblr sexyman is a tumblr sexyman because the guy isn't conventionally attractive, some tumblrinas have decided to simp over him
Wanna know the worst part? There was a cut song called "Biggering" that went really hard and was much more intense and thematically dark than "How Bad Can I Be?" but they had to replace it because the corporate higher-ups didn't like it. They replaced it with the more cheerful and sympathetic song instead. My best guess is that the song reminded them too much of themselves, and they didn't want to feel like the bad guys. :/
From what I've seen the story was supposed to be more mature. The main character had a darker side in the scrapped song, rather than being oblivious he's aware of the harm he's causing but he doesn't care anymore because he's blinded by greed and pride, he lost his compassionate side. Also the Lorax in the original song is not just trying to save the trees, he's trying to save his friend from himself.
@@anthonyhack1164 In fact, Thneedville was going to have darker and more somber nuances, like the citizens can't see the sun because of the pollution, the buildings are not cool, they are materialistic and consumerist, and in a demo song Ted was going to sing and in this one we were told presents a more greedy and consumerist version, where he mentions wanting to have things that others have, originally his reason for having the tree was because he wanted to have something that the citizens of Thneedville did not have (a living tree), Ted was meant to have a learning arc about materialism by wanting a seed because it's something no one else has, but he learns about its true value by hearing the story of the Once-ler
The lyrics to the better song that should have been im this movie The Once-Ler: At first i didn’t realize I needed all this stuff I had a little cottage And that cottage was enough A place where i could sit and knit A place where i could sell my thneeds But now i’ve had a little time To reassess my needs And i need a bigger office I need a bigger chair A bigger desk A bigger staff A bigger hat to wear! Because i’m biggering! (Yes, biggering!) I’m figuring on biggering! And biggering is triggering More biggering! The Lorax: Hey listen up meathead I’m a say this once and i’m not gonna repeat it Greed, see, it’s like a little pet, all right? And the more and more and more that you go and feed it The more hungry it’ll get But, you know, you really can’t blame greed Naw that’s stupid You see, it’s got a worm inside Oh yeah that’s right That’s one that always needs to feed And it is never satisfied You get it? But the more you try to find it The more it likes to hide Now listen That is a nasty little worm I like to call it pride! See now that’s why you’re biggering! Listen here idiot! And figuring on biggering! But that biggering’s just triggering more biggering! Got that? All right! The Once-Ler: There is a principle of nature that most every creature knows It’s called survival of the fittest, and this is how it goes The animal that wins has got to claw and bite and kick and punch The animal that doesn’t winds up someone else’s lunch A company’s an animal that’s trying to survive It’s struggling and fighting just to keep itself alive I must keep biggering! I’m figuring on biggering! Though biggering is triggering More biggering! I won’t stop biggering! I’m figuring on biggering! And biggering is triggering more biggering! With the customers all buying And the money multiplying And the pr people lying And the lawyers all denying Who cares if some things are dying? I don’t want to hear your crying This is all so gratifying
This movie is honestly a guilty pleasure of mine. Yes, it’s not very good, but the songs are catchy, and some of the jokes are actually pretty funny. Hell, I’d take THIS Seuss adaptation from Illumination over the stupid Grinch movie they did in 2018.
Agreed. I used to watch it over and over again as a kid(and before the original too, so there’s that), and while I understand why alot of people hate it, I can’t say, I’m one of them.
Okay, but you have to listen to the cut song, Biggering, which would have taken the place of How Bad Can I be. Now, if they had kept that song in, it would have been a wholly different movie
when i watched this movie again recently i noticed that the onceler’s electric guitar is never plugged into anything. i’m no guitarist, but i’m pretty sure that’s not how that works.
I don't think cgi is the best medium for Dr Seuss either, it smooths away so much texture that made his artwork stand out. This would have been great to see in stop motion though.
It’s ironic how people were pissed the Lorax and the grinch weren’t faithful to the book itself and called the movie mediocre illumination movies but when the Super Mario Bros Movie was faithful to the games themselves people still called it another mediocre illumination movie Shows how people are ungrateful It seems like nobody took illumination movies seriously as a movie untill the Mario movie then they start criticizing it
i find illumination movies good and i guess fun to watch i dont care if ppl call me a lil kid just for my interests im not a lil kid. they're just rlly good animated movies and fun to watch :) best illumination movie tho is the mario movie and despicable me.
I don't think people dislike the lorax and the Grinch for being unfaithful even though that's one of the reasons. They don't like them because of the generic story on top of the unfaithfulness. Mario was faithful but it still had a generic story which has given me very conflicted thoughts about it
People are too judgy though imo. I barely judge things because I only look at the positive things of movies meanwhile some people try to find flaws and bad things about the movie which will end up resulting in making them hate the movie without paying attention to the good things. I love the movie more than that old Lorax short animated animation mainly because of the quality jump and the story just being more extended out.
Okay, there are a few simple ways to fix this film. First of all I'd kill three birds with one stone. 1) Lose the villain, the idea behind the Lorax that there is no villain! That you don't have to be evil to ruin nature, that it's possible for anyone to take too much and not realize it until it's too late. 2) Lose the love interest. Give our hero a BETTER reason to go out to try and find a tree. 3) I notice the kid doesn't have a father in this story, give him a dad! In place of the villain that runs the town, make the kid's dad run the town! Show all of the mounting pressure his dad is under to keep this town together while trying to make everyone happy and content. Which in turn inspires the kid to try and help his dad and everyone. The next thing I'd do is keep the Oncler's face HIDDEN. It wouldn't be hard to do too! You could build a series of gags around it! For crying out loud they kept the Neighbor's face mostly hidden on "Home Improvement" for the entire show's run, you could easily do it for an hour and a half movie! But yes! The idea behind the Oncler is to again emphasize that this could be or happen to ANYONE. That he could be you or me! Lastly I'd keep the ambiguous ending! Don't reveal whether or not the kid succeeds in convincing people to change. But hey! Keep the song "Let it grow" but instead, use it differently. Show the kid returning to town, show faded images of how the land use to look and may yet still be again. Leave the audience wondering, are these shadows of the past or of the future? And end it with the kid returning to his dad who just got done with another hectic meeting with the last shot being the kid showing his dad the seed the Oncler gave him.
For those who don't know, there was another song in the place of "How bad can it be" and it is called "The biggering". It was not put in the movie however because it was too real and too anti consumerism. Check it out if you have not heard of it. It is amazing
You know How Bad I Can Be was an alternative version of the song that was supposed be there instead of it, called "Biggering". The song that would have been way more faithful to the message of the book.
I think you're all entirely incorrect (I haven't watched the full video) this is the movie of all time, I swear. Though, the cut song Biggering is a great demonstration of what this movie could of been.
One idea I heard as a way to bring back "Biggering" was to play "How bad can I be" earlier on to symbolize the Onceler's naive mindset, and use "Biggering" as a more mature and arrogant counterpart to the former song. Woulda been cool
I especially do not like the pacing of Illumination's Lorax at all, since I have to wait for the How Bad Can I Be song for something to happen during the Once-ler's story. And even then, we only witnessed the effects in the form of a montage during the song as the pristine Truffula forest being degraded into a polluted wasteland. The 1972 animated Lorax short is far better in terms of the pacing, as we see the environment gradually getting more polluted as the factory grows and more Truffula trees are being chopped down and in turn replaced with more buildings and roads, along with the animals leaving their homes, as the environment became too polluted for them to live.
@comadoof184 Right, this movie would've been so good had they stuck to their original plot with Biggering involved. And also just focus on the Onceler's story more, and not so much on Ted.
my intent with this comment truly isn’t to be mean, but i just wanted to say that i feel like this video could’ve benefitted from some additional research? multiple times you question if something was part of the original (it wasnt), or comment on how something shows the original is quite dated (it wasnt in the original). like you said, it’s Dr Suess, it’s a bedtime story length, you can even find it online for free. it feels hard to take your criticism as being about the movie and its content when you aren’t able to discern what’s part of Dr Suess’ original and what’s Illumination’s add-on. clearly you have some knowledge of the original book and its plot but it feels very surface level and your analysis of the movie feels the same as a result
It's a decent watch. One of those movies that you wouldn't actively watch unless you were sick or absolutely nothing else was on TV, but it be enjoyable
Honestly, as a non native, i thought that "the once-ler" refeers to him only having his things once. Its not sustainable as that also plays into the originals message a bit
Literally at 21:30 I was so confused cuz I didn't remember that part of the movie and the tree looked different. Then i realized, I do remember. That made me laugh a bit too much
When this movie came out, my school was going to take everyone to go watch it but apparently some of the parents were not sure if it’d be scary for kids so none of us got to watch it. After us already paying (I believe)
I'm going to be completely honest, this movie is a guilty pleasure of mine. Yes, the characters in it are one-note and forgettable, and the film's message is a simple, generic "save the trees" message instead of the one the book gave us, but those songs, especially "How Bad Can i Be", SLAP.
Remember only a glimpse of this movie from when I was younger but I absolutely cannot see the onceler without having flashbacks to the insane simps online he has 😨😟
5:02 The oncler is supposed to be for like what once was. He’s supposed to represent corporations who deliberately harm the environment knowingly in order to make a profit. This is why Dr. Seuss chose not to show his face and just show his gloves because you’re not supposed to think of him as a person but more so a corporation. The 1970s film also does not show his face. This is something illumination chose to do deliberately because if they had actually stuck to the story, they would call themselves out. This is the major thing I have an issue with this Lorax. they made him young and hip in order to feel sad and sorry for him. They chose to sing “how bad can be” rather than the song “bigering” Because it makes the oncler sound more naïve where is biggering he openly admits to knowingly harm the environment in order for profit like the original story calls for. I’m also bothered by the choice of having the “kid“ be named Ted and have a conclusive ending. The whole point is that the audience/the reader can put themselves in the shoes of the kid. By giving him a name and ultimately making him choose to plant the seed it makes it feel as if the story is concluded. Where is the original Lorax the whole point is the fact that change and deforestation is still an ongoing issue. And ultimately it is up to you as the reader to choose whether or not you want to do something about it. That’s why the book doesn’t have a conclusive ending and ends on open because it’s supposed to make you reflect. But the way the movie ends, it kinda of wraps everything up and the audience leaves the movie, assuming that the story has been wrapped up and there’s no other need to reflect on the morals of the movie. I think illumination animation wise is best for Dr. Seuss. They heavily butchered the story of the Lorax because if they told the true story they themselves would be hypocrites.
this movie may not be the best written but seriously how bad can it possibly be. I think it is pretty good for what it's worth, even though it messes up the main message and the cancelled once-ler song biggering would have been better but hey what do ya want it's illumination. Also I think it is kinda funny that the main dude literally caused the movie to happen off of one passing sentence said by his crush
Those books weren't available in my language when I was a kid and so this movie is still fire, and no I will not read those books now that I know the language
Pixar and DreamWorks: Amazing Animations, great Character developement, deep Stories and a meaningful message! Best Studios by far! Disney: Great Animations, deep Characters and amazing Songs! Often also very meaningful messages. An amazing Studio as well! Illumination: Good colorful Animations and Songs, but nothing deep or too meaningful. Just for kids to have something simple to watch. Still very good Studio but by far the worst of the 4!
the main thing i hate about the lorax movue is the "How Bad Can I Be?" song and how it displays it as just a misunderstanding- most likely intentionally making companies that actually do stuff like this look innocent.
@@iluvchess14736 The explanation I heard is that he's called that bc he's the kinda guy who buys a thing, only uses it once, and then throws it away when he's done, lather rinse repeat
Bro my school is obsessed with this movie. They literally make shrines, tributes,petitions, posters, holidays, etc. Every red ribbon week we are able to decorate our doors and every class door I saw at least had one thing about the Lorax on it, we also have dress up days and one was fictional character and I saw half a class as a army of Lorax’s. Please help me I want out I just don’t want to go to this school no more they scare me like hell.😭
I hate how they had chosen to use "How Bad Can I Be?" instead of biggering. The cut scenes created a better movie, but this is Illuminations, what do we expect? 21:30 WHY A AOT REFERENCE, NAH WHY THOUGH, I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE WITH EREN'S GRAVE!
Bruh this was my FAVORITE movie as a kid! I think I would watch it so many times to the point where my parents were just tired of it 💀💀- But it will always have a special place in my heart for just that reason lol (yet for some reason I don’t know the script even though I watched it like 3,000 times during my life 💀?-)
I was only 7 years old when this movie came to theaters. I reflect to this movie from 12 years back. I think this movie is so not accurate to the book, except for the onceler’s backstory which takes up about 60% of the film
The people who think the once-ler is hot are the same one's who think Timothy Chalamet is hot. Cuz honestly, of this was live action, who would play him?
Terrible? Yeah I get it but there’s 20 minutes of a good movie in here showing how the once let goes from sympathetic ambitious entrepreneur who was shunned on by everyone to full on villain, ending in a chilling serious scene where the last tree is chopped down. Good stuff
I’m just gonna say it: The Cat In The Hat is better. Not only is it at least enjoyable in a so bad it’s good way kinda like The Room, but the story and morals actually fit the original book unlike this film. Though to be fair, Danny Devito gives a decent performance, and I do enjoy How Bad Can I Be and the cut song Biggering
genuinely this movie kills me because with the timing and its cherished roots, it really really could have been such a landmark, such a great way to ACTUALLY speak to kids and leave a positive impression for environmentalism on them like the original cartoon did for us millennials. it hurts to think about the negative associations pretty much everyone now has with The Lorax because of this movie.
I remember watching this way back when so I could understand the Tumblr sexyman. It bored me to death and I never uncovered the secret of the Once-ler or why he became a sexyman. Personally, Reigen Arataka is a Tumblr sexyman I can get behind. Still devastated he lost to Sans in 2022.
Funnily enough, they do sell canned air irl. It's primarily for situations like being in high altitudes when your lungs aren't trained for it, so it's niche, but said niche is big enough to make it profitable.
I remember going to see this in the theaters at age 10 with my mom because she offered to spend quality time with only me that day, and we went to the movies. There were barely any animated movies out in the theaters in early 2012, so we went to see The Lorax because it was one of the only options at that point. I felt like I was watching a movie for babies, because of the humor and presentation of the movie. And I remember vividly coming out of the theaters with my mom asking "did you really want to see this movie?" and I was too embarrassed to answer the question. It was my first movie that I saw in theaters that sucked. I probably would've liked this if this came out a few years earlier, or had a darker presentation, because the theme of the movie is quite mature in the end. I'm looking at you "Biggering".
Its not the greatest but i enjoyed it when i was younger so it has a soft spot, but the cut songs and the original ideas for a more accurate depiction, i wish the movie was done better, especially with songs like biggering and old version of the song at the beginning of the movie
I once watched the Lorax 60 times over the course of a month so i could memorise the script and piss off my friend who strongly hated this movie
now THAT IS COMMITMENT
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It has nothing to do with dated source material. Ted’s story is entirely original to the movie. I don’t think he even has a name in the book. He’s just a kid who comes to ask the Once-ler about the Lorax, and that’s the extent of his role in the story.
Yeah I dunno where THAT came from, people seem to throw around "dated source material" and don't know what they even mean by it.
Both Ted and Audrey are named after Dr. Seuss and his second wife.
They could have had him also interested in trees, still introduced by his crush but also learns to like it for himself. Ted is kinda a ‘nice guy’ only liking something or pretending to like something for a girl.
More like the scripts didn't think It through @@mystic_mimi21
The romantic subplot between Ted and Audrey only exists to set off Ted’s motivation in finding the Once-Ler in the 2012 animated Lorax movie where he tells him the backstory, to find out how to plant a tree to impress Audrey and win her heart, which feels unnecessary as his motivation in the book and 1972 animated special was simply to learn about the Lorax and what happened to the nature and trees in the lands and how it was turned from a nature paradise into a post apocalyptic wasteland.
The biggest flaw in this movie, to me, is how overt and unsubtle the message is now. In the books and the 1972 short film, there was no O'Hare, and the Once-ler was kept faceless to represent that anyone could become him. Plus, The Once-ler didn't turn evil, per se. The short especially shows that Once-ler feels bad for the what his factory is doing to the animals, but at the same time, pointed out how just shutting down the factory would put hundreds of people out of a job and impact the economy. The message doesn't completely demonize industry but still shows the impact it can have. There is no clear solution for how to fix everything, and anyone can just as easily help or be part of the problem. This film takes a dump on that nuanced message and completely waters everything down to "environment good, industry bad" and then puts out that hypocritical Mazda commercial. You should watch the short for comparison, it's leagues better.
Exactly!! The book ended on a cliffhanger in which you didn't even know whether or not the kid decided to save the trees. The kid was also kept nameless and generic in appearance as a stand-in for us as an audience/reader. The whole thing was telling us to make up our own minds, but consider the consequences first. Not this linear narrative that the movie created.
This is what people always miss about this story. The point is that there's no one correct answer, and every choice will have consequences. I think it's important for kids to have stories with nuance that encourage them to ponder things and come up with their own answers. And to acknowledge and accept the potential consequences of those answers.
Watered down stories like don't engage audiences or encourage any sort of thinking.
I totally agree with this, I've heard some people working on the design for the once-ler that it was an hard decision. They gave him a face to make him more human, and gave him a "silly" personality to show how even the "good" people can become full of greed with time. Instead people over sympathized with the character because at the same time they made him more relatable to the audience and..that led to an overall weaker message.
If they wanted to keep the Oncelers face a secret. Then what they should’ve done is have him wear sunglasses for most of the movie and have his back turned whenever he is doing something bad.
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You can say whatever you want about this movie, but “How bad can I be?” goes harder than it had any right to
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As much as I like that song, there’s a cut song called Biggering that’s even better. Not only is it better musically, but it’s much more faithful to the original book
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Facts! That song is way too catchy.
@@jackaweplushpro Wait, WHAT!?!? There's a scrapped song!? I didn't know about this.
There was a song that was gonna be in the movie, but was actually cut for How bad can I be, it’s called Biggering. It sounds 10 times better than How Bad Can I Be ever could dream to be. The song was cut for being too dark and disturbing.
I’m SO GLAD that someone else mentioned Biggering because I am OBSESSED with it!!!! (to the point where it was one of my top listened to songs last year) It’s such a fantastic piece of music and it’s such a shame they cut it from the movie
The movie would have been more in the spirit of the book if they kept it. I get why it was taken out because it doesn't fit the same tone as the other songs or the tone in general, they would have to make the ending more serious
It’s endlessly ironic to me that Biggering, a song criticizing corporate greed, was cut out because of corporate greed.
"The song was cut for being too dark and disturbing." And thats exactly why it should have been in the movie. The movie would have been a little bit more memorable if that song was there.
Thank you for enlightening me to this incredible piece of music! I didn't know this existed at all.
You’ll notice how only one song is pro-trees, and it plays at the very end.
The Lorax says that it was cold outside so he and the forest animals had to sleep with the Once-Ler but it is the middle of summer outside, it is warm enough for them to be outdoors!
@ I think they were lying about that just so they could invade the Onceler’s space kinda like how he invaded theirs.
"Fun" Fact: Dr Seuss never wanted his books to be turned into films. After he died, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED. This is almost as worse as the Steven Hillenburg situation.
At least Stephen Hillenburg made a true end to Spongebob before he died; one that will always be the end. Any spin-offs, were before the first movie. Any movie/episodes after that, were before plankton had found plan Z. With the Lorax, he didn't have any way of avoiding it after his death, so this was, upsettingly, bound to happen. And illumination cut a song, that i would at least, Dr. Seuss would be at least semi-proud of-- being Biggering, as Biggering has a much truer perception. Although, the book was showing there are pros and cons of both industry v.s. the environment, as one comment on this video says, "The message doesn't completely demonize industry but still shows the impact it can have. There is no clear solution for how to fix everything, and anyone can just as easily help or be part of the problem." (DanGamingFan2406). This quote shows my point, as the true message of the book is how you can help solve the problem, yes, but people may cause problems for their own benefit. When said people try to help the environment, they also can break down current society unless they find a solution; for example, fossil fuels and solar panels. If we find a balance for both the environmental health and industry, we can find the best of both things. They also added a cardboard villain, being O'Hare. there was no true need for his character in the movie, other than to be the 'antagonist' to Ted, since this movie focuses on an older Onceler, not about his capitalist greed or his whole story about the effect he had on the trees, like in the book. O'Hare is the villain, for the sake of being a villain. I would also go into detail about how the movie should've been about the Onceler's decent into corperate greed, peaking around 3/5 into the movie, then should've had a redemption ark, but this paragraph is already longer then my school essays, so i'll stop. So, as you can see, The 2012 Lorax movie was un-premited by Dr Seuss, and wouldn't even make him proud to get the same message across, which is why it needs to either dissapear, or some people need to team up and make a truthful The Lorax movie that holds up the name of the book. I apologize for boring you for, however long this paragraph takes to read.
My actual least favorite illumination movie, it's an active bastardization of the orignal story that had the audacity to be sponsoed by an air polluting car. I genuinely hate what this movie stands for.
What do you think of the Grinch?
It's also bad, it misses the point of the original Grinch's character. Also along with the fact is that the movie is really boring.
love that Dazz doesn't know a tumblr sexyman is a tumblr sexyman because the guy isn't conventionally attractive, some tumblrinas have decided to simp over him
Wanna know the worst part? There was a cut song called "Biggering" that went really hard and was much more intense and thematically dark than "How Bad Can I Be?" but they had to replace it because the corporate higher-ups didn't like it. They replaced it with the more cheerful and sympathetic song instead. My best guess is that the song reminded them too much of themselves, and they didn't want to feel like the bad guys. :/
From what I've seen the story was supposed to be more mature. The main character had a darker side in the scrapped song, rather than being oblivious he's aware of the harm he's causing but he doesn't care anymore because he's blinded by greed and pride, he lost his compassionate side. Also the Lorax in the original song is not just trying to save the trees, he's trying to save his friend from himself.
@@anthonyhack1164 In fact, Thneedville was going to have darker and more somber nuances, like the citizens can't see the sun because of the pollution, the buildings are not cool, they are materialistic and consumerist, and in a demo song Ted was going to sing and in this one we were told presents a more greedy and consumerist version, where he mentions wanting to have things that others have, originally his reason for having the tree was because he wanted to have something that the citizens of Thneedville did not have (a living tree), Ted was meant to have a learning arc about materialism by wanting a seed because it's something no one else has, but he learns about its true value by hearing the story of the Once-ler
I think the worst thing about this movie is how many tie in products came out and how much of it ended up in landfills. Smooth move, Illumination.
this movie is 12 years old... oh no
12 YEARS OLD!! 😵😵
BROO MY BROTHER WASNT BORN THEN
here comes drake
This is actually one of my favorite illumination movies, it was more serious than other movies making me like It a bit more
same
Admit it. You were part of the Once-ler fandom.
The lyrics to the better song that should have been im this movie
The Once-Ler:
At first i didn’t realize
I needed all this stuff
I had a little cottage
And that cottage was enough
A place where i could sit and knit
A place where i could sell my thneeds
But now i’ve had a little time
To reassess my needs
And i need a bigger office
I need a bigger chair
A bigger desk
A bigger staff
A bigger hat to wear!
Because i’m biggering!
(Yes, biggering!)
I’m figuring on biggering!
And biggering is triggering
More biggering!
The Lorax:
Hey listen up meathead
I’m a say this once and i’m not gonna repeat it
Greed, see, it’s like a little pet, all right?
And the more and more and more that you go and feed it
The more hungry it’ll get
But, you know, you really can’t blame greed
Naw that’s stupid
You see, it’s got a worm inside
Oh yeah that’s right
That’s one that always needs to feed
And it is never satisfied
You get it?
But the more you try to find it
The more it likes to hide
Now listen
That is a nasty little worm
I like to call it pride!
See now that’s why you’re biggering!
Listen here idiot!
And figuring on biggering!
But that biggering’s just triggering more biggering!
Got that?
All right!
The Once-Ler:
There is a principle of nature that most every creature knows
It’s called survival of the fittest, and this is how it goes
The animal that wins has got to claw and bite and kick and punch
The animal that doesn’t winds up someone else’s lunch
A company’s an animal that’s trying to survive
It’s struggling and fighting just to keep itself alive
I must keep biggering!
I’m figuring on biggering!
Though biggering is triggering
More biggering!
I won’t stop biggering!
I’m figuring on biggering!
And biggering is triggering more biggering!
With the customers all buying
And the money multiplying
And the pr people lying
And the lawyers all denying
Who cares if some things are dying?
I don’t want to hear your crying
This is all so gratifying
Yet, it was rejected.
This movie is honestly a guilty pleasure of mine. Yes, it’s not very good, but the songs are catchy, and some of the jokes are actually pretty funny. Hell, I’d take THIS Seuss adaptation from Illumination over the stupid Grinch movie they did in 2018.
Nice pfp
i know this has nothing to do with the comment but your profile picture made me do a double take haha
It’s one of those “so bad it’s good” movies if you ask me
Agreed. I used to watch it over and over again as a kid(and before the original too, so there’s that), and while I understand why alot of people hate it, I can’t say, I’m one of them.
Come on, how bad can it be?
I forgot Taylor Swift was in this
Back then, she wasn’t as overexposed compared to nowadays.
SHE DOESN'T EVEN SING.
I hate that they cut the song biggering. Would've been peak.
The truffula tree growing montage cut to attack on titan was gold
The Eren tree
This was just a odd movie but how bad could it be
lmfao
Dazz you should check out the original 2D Lorax animation, i watched it a bunch as a kid and thought it was pretty enjoyable for its short runtime.
21:30 That transition to Attack on Titan was PERFECT lmao
This really Made me laught
Okay, but you have to listen to the cut song, Biggering, which would have taken the place of How Bad Can I be. Now, if they had kept that song in, it would have been a wholly different movie
that Attack On Titan tree timelapse is gold
This is literally one of my favorite films of all time. I don't get why everyone hates it so much. _"How ba-a-a-a-ad can it be?"_
ya i love this movie
RIGHT I LOVE THIS MOVIE
i prefer biggering.
Once-ler fan spotted.
when i watched this movie again recently i noticed that the onceler’s electric guitar is never plugged into anything. i’m no guitarist, but i’m pretty sure that’s not how that works.
I don't think cgi is the best medium for Dr Seuss either, it smooths away so much texture that made his artwork stand out. This would have been great to see in stop motion though.
@@CinnamonGrrlErin1
Or even in hand drawn animation, like the old television specials, for example.
It’s ironic how people were pissed the Lorax and the grinch weren’t faithful to the book itself and called the movie mediocre illumination movies but when the Super Mario Bros Movie was faithful to the games themselves people still called it another mediocre illumination movie
Shows how people are ungrateful
It seems like nobody took illumination movies seriously as a movie untill the Mario movie then they start criticizing it
i find illumination movies good and i guess fun to watch
i dont care if ppl call me a lil kid just for my interests im not a lil kid. they're just rlly good animated movies and fun to watch :)
best illumination movie tho is the mario movie and despicable me.
The Super Mario Bros. film had pretty great reviews tho, you might be from a different place then if that's the case.
@@quanashiab.9620 Are you sure it did?
@@quanashiab.9620critics
I don't think people dislike the lorax and the Grinch for being unfaithful even though that's one of the reasons. They don't like them because of the generic story on top of the unfaithfulness. Mario was faithful but it still had a generic story which has given me very conflicted thoughts about it
The internet love's this movie just for the wrong reason's.
People are too judgy though imo. I barely judge things because I only look at the positive things of movies meanwhile some people try to find flaws and bad things about the movie which will end up resulting in making them hate the movie without paying attention to the good things. I love the movie more than that old Lorax short animated animation mainly because of the quality jump and the story just being more extended out.
Explain in under 3 word's...@@vulturemaxskits
@@vulturemaxskits Wow, you're one of those people. Good to know.
@@vulturemaxskitsImagine watching stuff with your brain turned off could be me but nahh 🤔
The most infuriating part of this movie is that instead of "how bad can i be" we could've had "biggering" but that was scrapped.
Okay, there are a few simple ways to fix this film.
First of all I'd kill three birds with one stone.
1) Lose the villain, the idea behind the Lorax that there is no villain! That you don't have to be evil to ruin nature, that it's possible for anyone to take too much and not realize it until it's too late.
2) Lose the love interest. Give our hero a BETTER reason to go out to try and find a tree.
3) I notice the kid doesn't have a father in this story, give him a dad! In place of the villain that runs the town, make the kid's dad run the town! Show all of the mounting pressure his dad is under to keep this town together while trying to make everyone happy and content. Which in turn inspires the kid to try and help his dad and everyone.
The next thing I'd do is keep the Oncler's face HIDDEN. It wouldn't be hard to do too! You could build a series of gags around it! For crying out loud they kept the Neighbor's face mostly hidden on "Home Improvement" for the entire show's run, you could easily do it for an hour and a half movie!
But yes! The idea behind the Oncler is to again emphasize that this could be or happen to ANYONE. That he could be you or me!
Lastly I'd keep the ambiguous ending! Don't reveal whether or not the kid succeeds in convincing people to change. But hey! Keep the song "Let it grow" but instead, use it differently. Show the kid returning to town, show faded images of how the land use to look and may yet still be again. Leave the audience wondering, are these shadows of the past or of the future? And end it with the kid returning to his dad who just got done with another hectic meeting with the last shot being the kid showing his dad the seed the Oncler gave him.
I enjoyed watching this movie and no one will ever change it.
Admit it. You were part of the Once-ler fandom.
Still hate how they got rid of biggering
bro I cant believe this movie was made over a decade ago...
For those who don't know, there was another song in the place of "How bad can it be" and it is called "The biggering". It was not put in the movie however because it was too real and too anti consumerism. Check it out if you have not heard of it. It is amazing
It is! ❤❤
You should do a video on the terrible wreck it ralph 2
To be fair, it was one of illumination's better movies. Ah shit this studio is that bad isn't it?
You know How Bad I Can Be was an alternative version of the song that was supposed be there instead of it, called "Biggering". The song that would have been way more faithful to the message of the book.
I think you're all entirely incorrect (I haven't watched the full video) this is the movie of all time, I swear. Though, the cut song Biggering is a great demonstration of what this movie could of been.
true i love this movie it is actually pretty good
One idea I heard as a way to bring back "Biggering" was to play "How bad can I be" earlier on to symbolize the Onceler's naive mindset, and use "Biggering" as a more mature and arrogant counterpart to the former song. Woulda been cool
Surprised he didn't talk about Biggering
Look at the bright side, at least they didn't try and adapt "The Butter Battle Book".
I especially do not like the pacing of Illumination's Lorax at all, since I have to wait for the How Bad Can I Be song for something to happen during the Once-ler's story. And even then, we only witnessed the effects in the form of a montage during the song as the pristine Truffula forest being degraded into a polluted wasteland. The 1972 animated Lorax short is far better in terms of the pacing, as we see the environment gradually getting more polluted as the factory grows and more Truffula trees are being chopped down and in turn replaced with more buildings and roads, along with the animals leaving their homes, as the environment became too polluted for them to live.
The movie may be terrible, but the Once-Ler is still the best thing out of it.
Yeah and could have been amazing if biggering wasn't cut
@comadoof184 Right, this movie would've been so good had they stuck to their original plot with Biggering involved. And also just focus on the Onceler's story more, and not so much on Ted.
my intent with this comment truly isn’t to be mean, but i just wanted to say that i feel like this video could’ve benefitted from some additional research? multiple times you question if something was part of the original (it wasnt), or comment on how something shows the original is quite dated (it wasnt in the original). like you said, it’s Dr Suess, it’s a bedtime story length, you can even find it online for free. it feels hard to take your criticism as being about the movie and its content when you aren’t able to discern what’s part of Dr Suess’ original and what’s Illumination’s add-on. clearly you have some knowledge of the original book and its plot but it feels very surface level and your analysis of the movie feels the same as a result
Whoever on the illumination team that pushed for Mazda ad should’ve been fired…. Or at least gotten a pay cut
It's a decent watch. One of those movies that you wouldn't actively watch unless you were sick or absolutely nothing else was on TV, but it be enjoyable
Not even 1 second in and I already disagree with this movie review 😡
same
No.
SAMEE🤑💅🤮
Bruh lmao
Literally DazzReviews in a nutshell.
He calls every movie he sees terrible, and gets paid 50K grand for it.
Honestly, as a non native, i thought that "the once-ler" refeers to him only having his things once. Its not sustainable as that also plays into the originals message a bit
English native and I was told as a kid it was because he represented how things "once were" so he was the once-ler.
Worst of all. The Oncler’s song could have been BETTER! If you listend to Biggering you know what I’m talking about.
The Lorax TikTok trend from last year tortured me.
Same here.
I will NOT stand for The Lorax slander 😭🙏 This is one of the best illumination movies
Are you certain?
EXACTLY ITS SO GOODD
Literally at 21:30 I was so confused cuz I didn't remember that part of the movie and the tree looked different. Then i realized, I do remember. That made me laugh a bit too much
Cmon, how bad could it possibly be?
When this movie came out, my school was going to take everyone to go watch it but apparently some of the parents were not sure if it’d be scary for kids so none of us got to watch it. After us already paying (I believe)
All the elementary and middle school were going to watch it.
I'm going to be completely honest, this movie is a guilty pleasure of mine. Yes, the characters in it are one-note and forgettable, and the film's message is a simple, generic "save the trees" message instead of the one the book gave us, but those songs, especially "How Bad Can i Be", SLAP.
Remember only a glimpse of this movie from when I was younger but I absolutely cannot see the onceler without having flashbacks to the insane simps online he has 😨😟
POV: That one kid who did no research but also wants to present
She’s painting a mural on her own home.
5:02 The oncler is supposed to be for like what once was. He’s supposed to represent corporations who deliberately harm the environment knowingly in order to make a profit. This is why Dr. Seuss chose not to show his face and just show his gloves because you’re not supposed to think of him as a person but more so a corporation. The 1970s film also does not show his face. This is something illumination chose to do deliberately because if they had actually stuck to the story, they would call themselves out. This is the major thing I have an issue with this Lorax. they made him young and hip in order to feel sad and sorry for him. They chose to sing “how bad can be” rather than the song “bigering” Because it makes the oncler sound more naïve where is biggering he openly admits to knowingly harm the environment in order for profit like the original story calls for. I’m also bothered by the choice of having the “kid“ be named Ted and have a conclusive ending. The whole point is that the audience/the reader can put themselves in the shoes of the kid. By giving him a name and ultimately making him choose to plant the seed it makes it feel as if the story is concluded. Where is the original Lorax the whole point is the fact that change and deforestation is still an ongoing issue. And ultimately it is up to you as the reader to choose whether or not you want to do something about it. That’s why the book doesn’t have a conclusive ending and ends on open because it’s supposed to make you reflect. But the way the movie ends, it kinda of wraps everything up and the audience leaves the movie, assuming that the story has been wrapped up and there’s no other need to reflect on the morals of the movie. I think illumination animation wise is best for Dr. Seuss. They heavily butchered the story of the Lorax because if they told the true story they themselves would be hypocrites.
this movie may not be the best written but seriously how bad can it possibly be. I think it is pretty good for what it's worth, even though it messes up the main message and the cancelled once-ler song biggering would have been better but hey what do ya want it's illumination.
Also I think it is kinda funny that the main dude literally caused the movie to happen off of one passing sentence said by his crush
Those books weren't available in my language when I was a kid and so this movie is still fire, and no I will not read those books now that I know the language
Nostalgia Critic's got nothing on Dazz
To be fair, NC hates the movie too
No dazz this movie is a masterpiece
Pixar and DreamWorks:
Amazing Animations, great Character developement, deep Stories and a meaningful message! Best Studios by far!
Disney:
Great Animations, deep Characters and amazing Songs! Often also very meaningful messages. An amazing Studio as well!
Illumination:
Good colorful Animations and Songs, but nothing deep or too meaningful. Just for kids to have something simple to watch. Still very good Studio but by far the worst of the 4!
the main thing i hate about the lorax movue is the "How Bad Can I Be?" song and how it displays it as just a misunderstanding- most likely intentionally making companies that actually do stuff like this look innocent.
I'm pretty sure once-ler is a pun on "things that once were" not necessarily "once upon a time"
I grew up with "the once-ler is from a time when things once-were" kind of explanation.
@@Laeiryn I think the book might have explicitly said that phrase. I'll check tho
@@iluvchess14736 The explanation I heard is that he's called that bc he's the kinda guy who buys a thing, only uses it once, and then throws it away when he's done, lather rinse repeat
I don't like these ham fisted message movies, it just annoys me.
Bro my school is obsessed with this movie. They literally make shrines, tributes,petitions, posters, holidays, etc. Every red ribbon week we are able to decorate our doors and every class door I saw at least had one thing about the Lorax on it, we also have dress up days and one was fictional character and I saw half a class as a army of Lorax’s. Please help me I want out I just don’t want to go to this school no more they scare me like hell.😭
I hate how they had chosen to use "How Bad Can I Be?" instead of biggering. The cut scenes created a better movie, but this is Illuminations, what do we expect?
21:30 WHY A AOT REFERENCE, NAH WHY THOUGH, I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE WITH EREN'S GRAVE!
Bruh this was my FAVORITE movie as a kid! I think I would watch it so many times to the point where my parents were just tired of it 💀💀- But it will always have a special place in my heart for just that reason lol (yet for some reason I don’t know the script even though I watched it like 3,000 times during my life 💀?-)
WHY IN THE GROSS CAT WOULD YOU CALL THIS FILM TERRIBLE?
THATS AN AUDACITY, AN AUDACITY THAT IS AS DUMB AS ME IN MY EXAMS!
In defense of the Lorax, I heard it was going to be very different and darker, it was Illumination who ruined it.
I was only 7 years old when this movie came to theaters. I reflect to this movie from 12 years back.
I think this movie is so not accurate to the book, except for the onceler’s backstory which takes up about 60% of the film
Ted and Audrey are named after Dr Seuss and his wife respectively.
*Dreamworks, Pixar,& Illumination cooking up the most best 5 star movie*
Dazz next hour: *PiXaRs TerRiBlE -*
How bad can I be I’m just doing what comes naturally
Oh no.. THE SIMPS ARE COMING! THEY’RE COMING!
Simps? What simps are you even talking about?
@@bighand1530 THE simps
@@raydoesdoodles simps-ons
We have arrived
@@EMJ4Y 😨
Anyone gonna talk about how the houses and the people randomly teleport when the Once-ler goes to sell thneeds
Yeah, and how did the Once-ler know there was a town near the forest? Did he have a map?
If so, then come we didn't see him with it?
I would like you to reconsider
Lol
The people who think the once-ler is hot are the same one's who think Timothy Chalamet is hot. Cuz honestly, of this was live action, who would play him?
Terrible? Yeah I get it but there’s 20 minutes of a good movie in here showing how the once let goes from sympathetic ambitious entrepreneur who was shunned on by everyone to full on villain, ending in a chilling serious scene where the last tree is chopped down. Good stuff
To be fair I like the villain song
same
Catchy
Yes.
I see this and raise you the cut song biggering
I’m just gonna say it: The Cat In The Hat is better. Not only is it at least enjoyable in a so bad it’s good way kinda like The Room, but the story and morals actually fit the original book unlike this film. Though to be fair, Danny Devito gives a decent performance, and I do enjoy How Bad Can I Be and the cut song Biggering
You kind sir are now public enemy number one
genuinely this movie kills me because with the timing and its cherished roots, it really really could have been such a landmark, such a great way to ACTUALLY speak to kids and leave a positive impression for environmentalism on them like the original cartoon did for us millennials. it hurts to think about the negative associations pretty much everyone now has with The Lorax because of this movie.
4:41 I believe it is supposed to be like he did a mistake that can only be done once, and cant be reserved or something like that
Not me reading the official green eggs and ham book by Dr.sues when I was 3😂
Personally, I didn’t think it was that bad definitely the better of its time with illumination but I can still agree. It’s terrible.
Forgot how much mid-late 2000s movies loved the extreme sports grannies trope 😂
I remember watching this way back when so I could understand the Tumblr sexyman. It bored me to death and I never uncovered the secret of the Once-ler or why he became a sexyman.
Personally, Reigen Arataka is a Tumblr sexyman I can get behind. Still devastated he lost to Sans in 2022.
Anyone notice the Minon at 3:40?
I notice
The fact you find EVERY ILLUMINATION MOVIE to be terrible really says a lot about the company...
The ending transition of the Lorax to the ending of AoT was smooth😭
Ill never forget what tumblr did with the once-ler... they went wild
Funnily enough, they do sell canned air irl. It's primarily for situations like being in high altitudes when your lungs aren't trained for it, so it's niche, but said niche is big enough to make it profitable.
I remember going to see this in the theaters at age 10 with my mom because she offered to spend quality time with only me that day, and we went to the movies. There were barely any animated movies out in the theaters in early 2012, so we went to see The Lorax because it was one of the only options at that point. I felt like I was watching a movie for babies, because of the humor and presentation of the movie. And I remember vividly coming out of the theaters with my mom asking "did you really want to see this movie?" and I was too embarrassed to answer the question. It was my first movie that I saw in theaters that sucked. I probably would've liked this if this came out a few years earlier, or had a darker presentation, because the theme of the movie is quite mature in the end. I'm looking at you "Biggering".
I liked this movie. I dunno what you guys think but I like it.
jesus christ.
I watched this when I was a little kid. I'm 19 now
Me too
Me three
Me four
Its not the greatest but i enjoyed it when i was younger so it has a soft spot, but the cut songs and the original ideas for a more accurate depiction, i wish the movie was done better, especially with songs like biggering and old version of the song at the beginning of the movie
What original ideas did this movie have, context?