As a Mini Rec owner, I've been stealing all your settings for a couple of months. Both of these sound killer, but the I love the clarity of the Mini Rec.
The Mini Rec was impressive in this battle but it's dialed in about as good as it gets while the M5's full potential is being held back. I respect your decision to use the IIC+ mode (a classic, I agree!) but personal preferences aside, I think a more fair comparison in a high gain metal battle would be running the Mark V in the Mark IV or Xtreme mode so you're getting the most modern high gain tones out of both heads.
The mini rec was warmer and cut through the mids better. The mark v had a higher end presence. I gotta go with the mini rec on this one! 🤘🏼 Great vid and glad you used EMG’s!
I own the mini rect & a mark V:25 and I love them both. They’re certainly different but both sound sick. The mini rect is easier to use because it has a much simpler eq. The Mark is a fantastic amp but you can get lost in the endless graphic tweaking BUT when you find a tone is sounds absolutely massive . I wouldn’t sell either of them.
I also have those. It is complete tonal heaven. I also have the Fryette Power Station to attenuate them at home and boost them in the rehearsel room. Just brilliant.
Playing through both sounded best to me. I have a feeling Jon, that those riffs were inspired when you were playing through the Mark series! Awesome job sir!
For me the Mark V 35 absolutely destroyed the mini. The mini is kinda harsh and buzzy for my taste, definitely not a tone I enjoy. But I liked the blended tone a lot in the end. :)
This is so useful, thank you. I have a mkV:25 not a Rect (a TA-30) and listening the isolated tracks was so illuminating! I ended preferring the isolated Rect and the mixed mkV. Using both in the final mix is an excellent call and reminds me to experiment in my own mixes.
Always loved dual rectifiers, this one is no different, but i think the mark 5 has the win, just a more fuller sound to me , even when dialed in to be scooped.
Holy cow, the breakdown at the 2:20 absolutely SENT me. I'm a huge fan of the Mini Rectifier, definitely a different amp to dial with a particular kind of hair to it that just hits so many happy musical memories.
The Riffs at the 6ish minute mark are sick! I love this video! I've been a huge proponent of the mini rectifier. It sounds great alone or take it into MASSIVE territory with an EQ in the loop
The high freqs on the rectifier are too high for my liking. I don't know why so many guitar players (like 90% of them that I've played with) insist on having ear piercing highs in their tone. Especially when all it does is add noise and make your guitar tone sound shrill and thin and they think they sound like James Hetfield but they really sound like a mix between Dimebag and screws in a blender. I assume it's because they play scooped and are always buried in the mix so they just keep adding more highs and more gain trying to be heard but all they're really doing is fighting with the bass and cymbals for space in the mix when what they really need to do is turn the highs and gain down and bump the mids up. Even classic scooped tones are still pretty mid-range heavy when you hear them isolated unless you're talking about death/black metal....and in a lot of those cases, they whole point was to make the guitar sound like shit so idk...lol Not directed toward you. I know you know how to get amazing tones out of just about anything. Just ranting a little bit haha.
The Rectifier was a lot tighter, but you had the Mark V on the IIc+ preamp, which has a softer attack. Extreme mode is a much tighter setting, but gain might be a little lower, so... Anyways really enjoyed this. I agree, both sound great. Very cool little riff there BTW!
I wish I had waited to watch all on the video before my last comment. One deal with Mesa's, a little moreso that other amps, is NEVER roll any of the rotary knobs to zero. Killing the mids, like you did, on the tone knob removes those mids from the rest of the signal chain. You can't add them back in with the 5 band EQ because they're gone. Get a general tone with the knobs, scoop to hell and back with the EQ. If you need more, parametric EQ in the effects loop. Another thing I found useful was not cranking the gain past 1 oclock unless I wanted saturation for lead tones. If Mk IIC+ doesn't get the aggression you need at 1o'clock on the gain, move to Mark IV mode. It keeps the rhythm tones a little more defined and more percussive. The Mark series amps really react well to a boosted input. I'm not talking the usual Tube Screamer nonsense, as a Tube Scream in a Mark V mini me amp is actually horrible - but an EQ infront of the input boosting the signal or any other clean boost works well. If you're running EMG's, 18V rather than 9V.
I see you tend to keep the Master around 9 o'clock on the Mini Rec. I have the Recto-verb 25 and noticed that the Master volume really changes the tone once I get to about 10 'clock. Which is great for recording with a load box because I have lots of tone options. Around 9 o'clock tends to be tighter and more focused.
I just wanted to say your demo is literally maybe 1 of 3 only professionally done videos of the mark v. I only just realized that it’s almost like this amp doesn’t exist on youtube 😂. Has anyone else noticed this?
i really like the mark series smooth top and mid punch. sits nicely in a mix. i have a single rec 50W amp. it replaced a mesa mark 4 because it was a easy, set and forget tone. but the mark 4 really awarded you if you spent time dialing it in.
I own the Mini Rec now and used to have the Mark V25. You can't go wrong with either one - they are both excellent amps, it's just a matter of how tight you want your tone to be. Regardless, your demos and riffs are always awesome.
Sheesh. Mini Rectifier for the win. Just has better dynamics. But I’m sure the Mark V sounds much more satisfying in person though rectifier is just so clean in the mix.
Mark V 35 is super versatile. So many great sounds in the amp. HOWEVER, it does take some fiddling to find the right sound do to how versatile it can be. Compared to some other amps where everything sounds good no matter where its set, that is not the case with the mark v.
Love both and they sound vastly different. NB : the Two Notes Genome plugin has 2 ampsims inspired by the Recto and the Mark V and they sound very good.
They both sound great and if I was mixing a song I’d probably layer them both together but if I have to pick just one, I’m going recto. That surprises me cause I’m not a huge recto fan usually but it just sounds perfect here!
I know right? I've steered away from recs because ive always heard about them being loose in the bottom end and grainy and noisy as hell. Definitely have to use an overdrive in front to tighten it up. As for the noise, I'd have to play one to confirm just how much really. But here...shit, this rec sounds freaking brutal. It actually has the sound i prefer. Of course he's probably got it running through a lot of shit to clean it up, shape it and cut the noise. Probably sounds completely different in a bedroom setting.....maybe. id still like to try one one day though.✌🤟🍻🍻
If you can afford it: buy both the Mark v:25 and the Mini Rec, and add a Fryette PS100. It's heaven. Took me quite some years, but I'm there and thouroughly enjoying it.
I was ready to prefer the midrange of the Mark V 35 over the Mini Rec but the Mini Rec sounded more open and present which had me preferring it - surprisingly!
Just sold my 100 watt duel rec head and bought a m5 25. I prefer the m5 for tone. Ran duel through a hotplate which improved things. Both great amps...
I preferred the Rectifier, but the Mark V was great in terms of gain and tightness, and with the onboard EQ, its voicing can be quite a bit more versatile.
I just somehow like that robust texture in the tone of the mini recto... I know Metallica is all about the mark but the rectifier just sounds more massive and Hetfield-ishy in this comparison... So yeah! The mini rec is the winner for me...
I love the MkIIC+ model on the smaller Mk 5 amps but the Mark IV setting sounds closer to an angry Mark IIC++, the classic Metallica Hetfield tone. The Mark IV setting is not quite as angry as an actual Mark IV.
It's hard to decide when they are the same price point. I loved the sound of the Mark V when I first heard it, but after hearing the Mini-Rec, it's hard. @7:29, the MK V sounds compressed. Like, badly. The MR really shined between those two. May save a few hundred and get that Mini Rec instead. Thanks for the video
Brother, amazing metal sound ! How did you connect these two amps to the dae? do they have the emulated output or did you use the power attenuator? if I buy the small rectifire how can I connect it to the audio interface to record without background noise?
It's funny, but at the beginning when you were describing how they're kinda diametrically opposed sounds, I thought, "Bet they'd sound dope blended." And what do you know!
So lost at the moment have a mini recto 25 and do love the sounds but the mark 5 25 sounds like it might have more options. Just wondering if I should exchange the mini for a mark 5 25
As a Mini Rec owner, I've been stealing all your settings for a couple of months. Both of these sound killer, but the I love the clarity of the Mini Rec.
Awesome!
I have the Recto-verb 25, and I've stollen some settings from these videos as well 😂
I'm calling the cops on all of you settings thieves! 😲
My Favorite amp ever has been my Mark V 35 for years, just love that amp!!
The Mini Rec was impressive in this battle but it's dialed in about as good as it gets while the M5's full potential is being held back. I respect your decision to use the IIC+ mode (a classic, I agree!) but personal preferences aside, I think a more fair comparison in a high gain metal battle would be running the Mark V in the Mark IV or Xtreme mode so you're getting the most modern high gain tones out of both heads.
Xtreme mode is great. Lately I've learned to appreciate the IIC+ mode more though.
You can definitely tell you had alot of fun with this one
I did :)
Im a mesa guy to. I love to AB my 2010 dual rectifier with my stiletto deuce. They balance eachother well
The mini rec was warmer and cut through the mids better. The mark v had a higher end presence. I gotta go with the mini rec on this one! 🤘🏼 Great vid and glad you used EMG’s!
Love the tunes you make up for these things. 🔥
I have both of these and they sound so good here. A slight nod to the mini rectifier.
Both together sound amazing but if I had to pick only one it would be the mini rectifier because of that sizzle and lows. Thanks for this comparison.
Cheers!
I own the mini rect & a mark V:25 and I love them both. They’re certainly different but both sound sick. The mini rect is easier to use because it has a much simpler eq. The Mark is a fantastic amp but you can get lost in the endless graphic tweaking BUT when you find a tone is sounds absolutely massive . I wouldn’t sell either of them.
I also have those. It is complete tonal heaven. I also have the Fryette Power Station to attenuate them at home and boost them in the rehearsel room. Just brilliant.
Playing through both sounded best to me. I have a feeling Jon, that those riffs were inspired when you were playing through the Mark series! Awesome job sir!
Yeah both is a rad option!
For me the Mark V 35 absolutely destroyed the mini. The mini is kinda harsh and buzzy for my taste, definitely not a tone I enjoy. But I liked the blended tone a lot in the end. :)
I think the IR also helps a lot. The cabinet helps define a lot the sound. Both amps are killer!
Both amps sound A M A Z I N G, but I prefer the slightly bigger sound of the Mark V. I just love mids. Awesome stuff, Jon! Thanks!
Those riffs were awesome 🤘 love the shootout series, always looking forward to the next one
That Mark V is god tier tone!
This is so useful, thank you. I have a mkV:25 not a Rect (a TA-30) and listening the isolated tracks was so illuminating! I ended preferring the isolated Rect and the mixed mkV. Using both in the final mix is an excellent call and reminds me to experiment in my own mixes.
I could take my Rectoverb 25 to any gig and feel confident. I love how versatile it is.
Always loved dual rectifiers, this one is no different, but i think the mark 5 has the win, just a more fuller sound to me , even when dialed in to be scooped.
Both sound awesome and the blend is the two amps is killer. To my ears, the mini rectifier filled out the low end better. Chunky chugs 🤘🏽😈🤘🏽
Cheers!!!
Holy cow, the breakdown at the 2:20 absolutely SENT me. I'm a huge fan of the Mini Rectifier, definitely a different amp to dial with a particular kind of hair to it that just hits so many happy musical memories.
The Riffs at the 6ish minute mark are sick! I love this video! I've been a huge proponent of the mini rectifier. It sounds great alone or take it into MASSIVE territory with an EQ in the loop
The high freqs on the rectifier are too high for my liking. I don't know why so many guitar players (like 90% of them that I've played with) insist on having ear piercing highs in their tone. Especially when all it does is add noise and make your guitar tone sound shrill and thin and they think they sound like James Hetfield but they really sound like a mix between Dimebag and screws in a blender.
I assume it's because they play scooped and are always buried in the mix so they just keep adding more highs and more gain trying to be heard but all they're really doing is fighting with the bass and cymbals for space in the mix when what they really need to do is turn the highs and gain down and bump the mids up. Even classic scooped tones are still pretty mid-range heavy when you hear them isolated unless you're talking about death/black metal....and in a lot of those cases, they whole point was to make the guitar sound like shit so idk...lol
Not directed toward you. I know you know how to get amazing tones out of just about anything. Just ranting a little bit haha.
the V 35 is kicking so much ass here ! the blend is nice too
Mini Rectifier, of course 🤘
Not a bad choice! :)
Yep I was waiting for the "Both together" here we go!
Thank you and great video Jon, IMHO the Mini Rectifier has the magic for me!
Always wanted to try a Rect-o--verb. Had a F-50 never really bonded with it. These seem brutal AF. Great demo as always!
I'd love to try one too
They both do that mesa thing and sound sick
Can’t decide. Both sound great! Mark V might be a tad more flexible but you can do whatever you would need with both in my opinion.
The Rectifier was a lot tighter, but you had the Mark V on the IIc+ preamp, which has a softer attack. Extreme mode is a much tighter setting, but gain might be a little lower, so... Anyways really enjoyed this. I agree, both sound great. Very cool little riff there BTW!
I have the mini and quite enjoy it!
I wish I had waited to watch all on the video before my last comment.
One deal with Mesa's, a little moreso that other amps, is NEVER roll any of the rotary knobs to zero. Killing the mids, like you did, on the tone knob removes those mids from the rest of the signal chain. You can't add them back in with the 5 band EQ because they're gone. Get a general tone with the knobs, scoop to hell and back with the EQ. If you need more, parametric EQ in the effects loop.
Another thing I found useful was not cranking the gain past 1 oclock unless I wanted saturation for lead tones. If Mk IIC+ doesn't get the aggression you need at 1o'clock on the gain, move to Mark IV mode. It keeps the rhythm tones a little more defined and more percussive.
The Mark series amps really react well to a boosted input. I'm not talking the usual Tube Screamer nonsense, as a Tube Scream in a Mark V mini me amp is actually horrible - but an EQ infront of the input boosting the signal or any other clean boost works well. If you're running EMG's, 18V rather than 9V.
I own the V 35 and i love the diversity of the iv, cii, and xtreme but the sound of the recto is so beautiful
I liked the Mark more. Just more pleasant to my ears but still plenty aggressive enough for me.
Dude replicated the Metallica tone and made it sound even clearer. Nice work
I see you tend to keep the Master around 9 o'clock on the Mini Rec. I have the Recto-verb 25 and noticed that the Master volume really changes the tone once I get to about 10 'clock. Which is great for recording with a load box because I have lots of tone options. Around 9 o'clock tends to be tighter and more focused.
damn dude, your playing is tight! sick tones too! I've been looking to get a mini rectifier
I just wanted to say your demo is literally maybe 1 of 3 only professionally done videos of the mark v. I only just realized that it’s almost like this amp doesn’t exist on youtube 😂. Has anyone else noticed this?
i really like the mark series smooth top and mid punch. sits nicely in a mix. i have a single rec 50W amp. it replaced a mesa mark 4 because it was a easy, set and forget tone. but the mark 4 really awarded you if you spent time dialing it in.
Once again killer video
I love your riffs man 🤘🏻
I just want to say that this riff is better than the new metallica song 😮
I own the Mini Rec now and used to have the Mark V25. You can't go wrong with either one - they are both excellent amps, it's just a matter of how tight you want your tone to be. Regardless, your demos and riffs are always awesome.
Sheesh. Mini Rectifier for the win. Just has better dynamics. But I’m sure the Mark V sounds much more satisfying in person though rectifier is just so clean in the mix.
Mark V 35 is super versatile. So many great sounds in the amp. HOWEVER, it does take some fiddling to find the right sound do to how versatile it can be. Compared to some other amps where everything sounds good no matter where its set, that is not the case with the mark v.
Yup! It takes some effort but it can be very rewarding
Soloed the Rectifier sounded much better, in the mix I slightly preferred the Mark.
I prefer the Mark but the Rectifier had a great tone also!
Damn Mark V is something else , its pefection.
All depends on the sound or song you need … I personally own a mark v 25 🤘
Insane vid 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Love both and they sound vastly different.
NB : the Two Notes Genome plugin has 2 ampsims inspired by the Recto and the Mark V and they sound very good.
They both sound great and if I was mixing a song I’d probably layer them both together but if I have to pick just one, I’m going recto. That surprises me cause I’m not a huge recto fan usually but it just sounds perfect here!
I know right? I've steered away from recs because ive always heard about them being loose in the bottom end and grainy and noisy as hell. Definitely have to use an overdrive in front to tighten it up. As for the noise, I'd have to play one to confirm just how much really. But here...shit, this rec sounds freaking brutal. It actually has the sound i prefer. Of course he's probably got it running through a lot of shit to clean it up, shape it and cut the noise. Probably sounds completely different in a bedroom setting.....maybe. id still like to try one one day though.✌🤟🍻🍻
No pedals, no eq up front or after. This is how the amp sounds with this guitar!
@@SonicDriveStudio thats awesome 👍👍
If you can afford it: buy both the Mark v:25 and the Mini Rec, and add a Fryette PS100. It's heaven. Took me quite some years, but I'm there and thouroughly enjoying it.
I was ready to prefer the midrange of the Mark V 35 over the Mini Rec but the Mini Rec sounded more open and present which had me preferring it - surprisingly!
Yes dudes and dudettes, Major League butt kicking is back in town!
Nice job! Very, very good!
In the mix I prefer the Mark V but isolated I think the Rectifier sounds better.
Mark series for the first five albums. Rectifiers for everything after maybe? Sweet sounding amps though and great comparison as always
Fuckin love that jam dude. U got sick sick riffs!
Just sold my 100 watt duel rec head and bought a m5 25. I prefer the m5 for tone. Ran duel through a hotplate which improved things. Both great amps...
that is the coolest riff
Yeah I agree with the both answer. Both can be eqd to sound almost indistinguishable from each other.
I love your video man! So, i think the mini rectifier have a best dynamic but the Mark V have a best definition. Dream ( Theater ) amp!
Great video. Hopefully a Badlander one day and then you could have a shootout
Both sound awesome. The Mark V sounds a little more “mix ready.”
I play through Marks and A Recto primarily and waited the whole video to hear you say the best is "both"!
It's not the cheapest option though haha
@@SonicDriveStudio certainly not, but it's money well-spent!
I like the Mini ! But their both great
Please make a indepth video of EVH 5150 III STEALTH 50/100 watts Eagerly waiting for this to happen 😇😇😇💪
The rec has more clarity for sure, but I feel like if you tweak the mark V's eq you will get the same sound if not better
MINI REC ALL THE WAY!!!!
do you think you could release tabs for this riff it is soo bad ass it better than the new metalica album
The Mini kills it! The Mark V is blistered by this mini. Clearly!
Killer little amp!
I preferred the Rectifier, but the Mark V was great in terms of gain and tightness, and with the onboard EQ, its voicing can be quite a bit more versatile.
I just somehow like that robust texture in the tone of the mini recto... I know Metallica is all about the mark but the rectifier just sounds more massive and Hetfield-ishy in this comparison... So yeah! The mini rec is the winner for me...
Mini was my favorite one! But both are great!
You should compare the Mesa Mini Rectifier to the Orange TH30!
I love the MkIIC+ model on the smaller Mk 5 amps but the Mark IV setting sounds closer to an angry Mark IIC++, the classic Metallica Hetfield tone. The Mark IV setting is not quite as angry as an actual Mark IV.
Wow, you write better Metallica songs than Metallica does. LOL
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Not hard these days lol. They been lacking hard since the mid 90s with the exception of a banger here and there
Mark 5 won this one. Awesome riffs mate!!!
I like how these "modern metal" sounds are technically vintage nowadays....lol
Mini rec ftw
Both together for sure..!
It's hard to decide when they are the same price point. I loved the sound of the Mark V when I first heard it, but after hearing the Mini-Rec, it's hard.
@7:29, the MK V sounds compressed. Like, badly. The MR really shined between those two.
May save a few hundred and get that Mini Rec instead.
Thanks for the video
Brother, amazing metal sound !
How did you connect these two amps to the dae? do they have the emulated output or did you use the power attenuator? if I buy the small rectifire how can I connect it to the audio interface to record without background noise?
i thought the clear winner was the Mark V.. until i heard the isolated tracks, now i think the Rectifier.
I have my eyes on getting a mark v but after hearing that rectifier I'm not sure now, sounded alot more full in the isolated tracks
The V takes it here. It has way more head room and you can hear it.
It’s basically mark v (justice/black album) recto (load/reload)
It's funny, but at the beginning when you were describing how they're kinda diametrically opposed sounds, I thought, "Bet they'd sound dope blended." And what do you know!
I wanna play rhythm through the Mini Rec and solo through the Mark V
So I’m still in the “both” camp?
I liked the Mini Rec. Tone is very subjective!
If I was playing Rammstein or Korn riffs then the Rectifier all the way but for Metallica or Dream Theater the Mark V amp.
I prefer the mini.
Mini Rec for me!
No Boost. Amazing!
MARK35 more clarity...
God, Now I'm wondering how these compare with the Mesa Boogie Stilletto Ace I'm buying.....
Both are just not tight enough for me. Can you put in EL34s on either??? I loved my Mesa mark IV, with one caveat… ONLY when I put EL34s in!
I preferred the Mini Rec, a tad warmer and less sterile. What midi drums are you using?
I like the mini rec. Some mids I don't like in the markV
So lost at the moment have a mini recto 25 and do love the sounds but the mark 5 25 sounds like it might have more options. Just wondering if I should exchange the mini for a mark 5 25
Combined in a Left Right split is best.