I bought a lot of untested Thinkpads that were absolutely not guaranteed to work, thinking that I could at least make one or two work. They all worked flawlessly.
@@dylansnowrove3732 I got a really nice workstation chair the same way. It needed a couple of commonly available bolts to stabilize the arms. Otherwise it's as good as new!
Hey Luke, nice meme. I don't know if you remember, but we talked in the comments a while back and I ended going with your recommendation and got a X220 and fitted it with SSD and such. It's been great and I wanted to say thanks for your help and all you're doing. Keep fighting the good fight!
i remember struggling through windows w a 5400 drive, dualbooted linux and it was surprisingly faster. i really didn't think linux is drive independant
i watched this vid before my first year of uni, that was in 2019, i bought an x220 used on ebay for 60 pounds, i still currently use it now at my current job, dual booted hackintosh, arch linux and sonoma MAC OS for IOS development, custom BIOS, 16GB of ram, express card for USB 3.0 / external GPU, new battery, new screen, new keyboard, modded USB c charge port, and it all still cost me less than the cheapest used macbook i could find and ive never been happier, if you're hesitant, and you like tinkering, just buy a thinkpad
Well, I would say that the keyboard on the T430/T530 is still very good. It's not the old keyboard but it has a unique "premium/business" feeling, which in my opinion isn't tiring at all. The T430/T530/W530 still have the original sturdy build but after those it just goes downhill... I bought my first Thinkpad (T530) about 3 weeks ago and I got a really good deal (about 370€) for the best configuration (i7-3740QM, Nvidia NVS 5400M, 1080p display). This might sound much, but those old Thinkpads are really rare in europe and especially in Austria.
To be entirely fair, the chiclet keyboards on Thinkpads aren't bad for what they are. As far as chiclet keyboards go, Lenovo makes some of the best ones. The real problem I have with modern Thinkpads is how much they're losing their edge over the competition. It used to be that Thinkpads were almost the only option worth considering for a business laptop, because the build quality and design was just that good. Nowadays they're really no better or worse than any other business laptop.
John van Capel I believe things would be different if IBM had sold their PC Division to Dell or HP, but they had to sell it to Lenovo. I’ve read that they did so because it was a way of getting a foothold in China.
@@helmetculture t480 bro absolutely. Pop a glass trackpad on it, it can also take 64 of ram and also wwan drive (if you can find one cause they are rare). Its a solid coding and linux machine.
You can install coreboot on the 30s modells now with software alone. The 30s modells have the newer keyboards (which I don't mind) but they usually all have easy keyboard mods as well if you prefer the previous keyboards.
The 30 series (x230 t430 ...) are still a decent choice if you don't care about the keyboard or free software. They are really close to the previous series in terms of quality and with some tinkering it's possible to install the classic keyboard.
Max 593 I agree. My second ThinkPad was a t430 and is currently my daily driver. It's essentially a t420 with an updated keyboard. It just depends on which keyboard you like better. I have no preference really. All the ThinkPad keyboard hate is kind of turning into a meme.
I have used the x230 for almost a year now and I had absolutely no problems with it. Just recently, I replaced the charger and the new one didn't work that well so the board got fried. I have taken it for repairs and they offered me the t410 as replacement for now. I only came here to see the reviews to know what to decide. I do a bit of graphics design on Figma .nd photoshop, and a bit of coding too. I also do a bit of AutoCAD every now and then. Apart from that, nothing else. Would anyone recommend taking the t410?
Was going to get one, but christmas, mom got me a gaming laptop thats much better. Lol. Maybe I will get an x series for portability, and 2 t series to give to mom and dad as a gift. May collect them too.
The T420 is 14 inches. IBM sold the ThinkPad brand in 2005. The X60 was built under lenovo. The chiclet keyboard was introduced with the T430/X230 generation.
You need to watch out for faulty hard WiFi switch on the X Series. They can play up and switch the WiFi on & off infuriatingly. There's a fix, but it mean taking out the card and masking pins. Other than that they're solid, machines that are great value for money.
All laptops are getting worse and worse, in terms of overall quality and design, and the answer is simple: cost cutting, greedy manufacturers. All laptops now look and feel like cheap Chinese toys, with that awful 'chiclet' keyboard that reminds me of old pocket calculator buttons, plus ugly as shit!
Just bought two T430s Thinkpads for $100 each! i5-3320M, 8GB RAM & 128GB SSD. Amazing laptop! I plan to upgrade the chip & RAM over the next month on one of them, which has already replaced my 2013 Macbook Air 13, as my daily driver. Came with Windows 10, which I kept on the other one but I installed a distro of Linux on my daily driver. Really enjoying this machine!
It'd be fine to use if it weren't for overbloated modern versions of mainstream web browsers. You still can go the pale moon way if you have to though.
@@tedarmavan We're still talking about obsolete hardware. C2Q? Rly? Personally I couldn't go lower than X230 and it's 3rd gen i5 and it's working like a charm with MacOS.
Seriously, i've been using a X200s in 2018 for almost a year as a desktop replacement and without active cooling this darn thing runs way too hot during normal stuff like Web browsing because holy shit have web browsers become resource-hungry pieces of shit that require hellish powerful machines... just for freaking WEB BROWSING.... Core2Duo today really is only an option if pain and suffering is your kind of thing.
T451 was pretty based. All of the IO I need, removable CPU/ram, and amazing specs tech wise. Only complaint is battery life and trying to get the Nvidia GPU running on linux.
I have a T440p with i5 4300m, 8gb ram, 240gb ssd and a FHD IPS screen...what a beast (if you want more processing power, the i7 4700mq or the 4800mq is just £80)
I have used the x230 for almost a year now and I had absolutely no problems with it. Just recently, I replaced the charger and the new one didn't work that well so the board got fried. I have taken it for repairs and they offered me the t410 as replacement for now. I only came here to see the reviews to know what to decide. I do a bit of graphics design on Figma .nd photoshop, and a bit of coding too. I also do a bit of AutoCAD every now and then. Apart from that, nothing else. Would anyone recommend taking the t410?
Inchage? So the X200 and the T400 are the ones that can use Libreboot and the rest are Coreboot.. and the T400 is the same as the x200 but with a bigger display?
just do't buy the OLED Screen, mine last 13 months. And It will cost $600 to replace it. LENOVO didn't cove it with the warranty, because It is over 12 months. I paid almost US $2,500.00 for this Laptop.
I need a free computer not only for philosophy. I mean literally free since I have no money. An used ThinkPad 220 here in Brazil sells for almost $300... that makes no sense lol
Librebooting my t400 was a pain. The bios chip is buried, you have to remove the entire motherboard to access it properly. It's worth it though. I like having the wider screen. I don't know how the t500 fares with librebooting. But my daily workhorse is the x60. Mostly for portability. It's a LOT smaller and lighter than my t400. It's librebooted with an ssd, it's lightning fast. I also have an x60 tablet for note taking purposes but it is a 32 bit cpu. It doesn't make that big of a difference to be honest. It all depends on what you are using it for. Parabola still has 32 bit support but arch doesn't. Both of the x60's were librebooted without taking out a single screw. I recently bought an x201t though. I do a decent amount of audio and video editing and wanted something more powerful. It's mostly a hobby, but it's relatively cheap for "better" performance. I also use it for taking notes in class/anything else. I corebooted it, put in 8g of ram, and gave it an ssd. I only connect it to the internet for updates. That's the only way I get peace of mind. It will never be completely free, but this is the closest I'll ever get. I plan on removing the wifi-card sometime this week so that the ethernet port is the only access point to the internet. I'm assuming it will work but have yet to test it.
I bought my thinkpad t400 as not working, it had no display but fan was working. I flashed the bios with original rom because i didnt have wifi card for libreboot. But yeah man it was a pain. The 8 pin clip cost too much so i soldered wires directly to the chip but it worked soo i think that clips are kinda overrated. Can you tell me which 4gb sticks it accepts? I am having trouble with getting my to work with 8 gb
is there a reason why it is so important to remove the intel management engine rather than running an external firewall that blocks any communications between intel and you? same question applies for linux vs windows
I have t420 with an i7 2620m. To my surprise when I checked out the user benchmark website, a modern i5 7200u or 7300u ultrabook processor is only 20%-30% faster. WTF
The older T and X series laptops are great. The T61 is killer use the bios update and install a SSD. You can also add a second hard drive in place of the CD/DVD drive.
I am looking for a cheap thinkpad that I can easily install most Linux disros easily, and that wifi works easily on. That will easily print to my wifi printer. I dont want to spend hours and days looking at utube videos and programming videos to magyver something to work. I like things that work easily. What would you recommend? Or just get an older dell xps?
I prefer the T430 and its keyboard and might collect 1-2 more refurbished Thinkpads from that time. My T430 only takes slim 2.5" disks and it is the only issue to consider. The newer "laptops" do not make much sense to me. Gaming/3D equipment jumped from $500 to $2000 in recent years and we get more in the desktop departments than in the experimental laptop departments.
@@BananaCueCrew I own one and I can only recommend it. It's actually my favorite one. The first Thinkpad with an actual decent trackpad and the last Thinkpad with (hot)swappable batteries.
Why you have so many lap top?. I got T43 model. For some reason virus damaged my software and had to reinstall its software, it’s been 7 years I forgot about em but last night I decided to upgrade its memory to 4G, and reinstall windows it finally run again. my hard drive seems small I attempted to install Microsoft office but it says my hard drive doesn’t have enough space. ; (
I only know the newer models. I have a t570 which is horrible. Super cheaply build, bad keyboard. Wouldn't recomend. Only good thing is the battery life.
I liked ThinkPads until I came to the realization that ThinkPad is owned by Lenovo, Lenovo is a PRC-based company, and every PRC-based company-or any PRC-based wing of any company-has to have a CCP officer on the board if it has 75+ employees.
I just purchased a t430; i agree with you about the t420/x220 being the last real good one in stock configuration, but if you're planning on doing mods, t430 seems more suitable. I'm gonna throw in an i7 quad core, a t420 keyboard, likely an IPS screen with an FHD IPS mod, and will use 1vyrain software to disable Intel Management and allow for custom BIOS flashing (along with other goodies like overclocking and such). Granted by the end I'll have spent probably as much as getting a fairly modern laptop, but it's gonna be a durable workhorse and have the old keyboard anyway. I'll likely grab an x220 and maybe an x200 as well if I find them cheap enough so I can have some beaters to mess around with, but the t430 is definitely solid if you want to do some diy modding.
What are your guys thoughts on the p1 gen 2? looking at the: 9th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-9850H with vPro™ (2.60GHz, up to 4.60GHz with Turbo Boost, 6 Cores, 12MB Cache) 16GB DDR4 2666MHz 512GB SSD PCIe NVIDIA® Quadro® T2000 4GB Anythought? Looking around on google and not sure but thinkpads arent in any of those lists, so it has me thinking if i should get one.
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Well, actually the ThinkPad chiclet keyboard is far superior to the MacBook KBs. They are really comfortable to type on. If you want a more modern experience go with the xx40 or xx50 line. They have high res displays and modern amenities such as 4g. Also, the batteries are much younger and some of them are being made with quality standards. My daily casual is an X1c 3rd gen and my "workhorse" is a T540p with the T550 trackpad (the xx40 gen has a terrible solution for the TrackPoint buttons.
I think 4 or 5 thinkpads is way too much, I would buy 1 or 2 so 1 would be kept as spare and later spend money to do memory upgrade for maximum available and the same type/brand to make sure it works well. In the past I had R51e from new but later I bought 2 of used T500 and I upgraded both to 8GB RAM. Later I sold R51e on Ebay and I had to give one T500 away. I upgraded disc to 500GB SSD. and I can put old hard drive in Ultra Bay instead of DVD RAM because I have got special frame for this. I upgraded also BIOS and I had to change processor fan after I bought it, because it was noisy. I have got this laptop about 9 years and still works very well. The price for each T500 was about £130 as far I remember, very cheap. Even nowadays 1680x1050 is hight resolutuon for laptop and 8GB RAM is also a lot, processor is fast enough for what I am doing.
Lenovo went to the chicklet style keyboard so they could add back lite keys. Some reviews have stated that these keyboards were not that bad in their feel, but the layout was bad. In any case you can transplant an X220 keyboard into an x230, and a T420 keyboard into a T430. So I would suggest that the X230 and T430 are acceptable machines.
You don't need ckicklet keys to be backlit (See: Thinkpad 25). Leshito is pandering to mindless normies while throwing the hardcore Thinkpad fanbase under the bus.
I don't get the hate for the chicklet keyboard. I think they are still the best keyboards in the business and a lot of reviewers agree on that. Maybe the older keyboards were even better, however I don't know if you wanna get a 7 year old or even older machine at this point.
SlayerProof 32 I have used the x230 for almost a year now and I had absolutely no problems with it. Just recently, I replaced the charger and the new one didn't work that well so the board got fried. I have taken it for repairs and they offered me the t410 as replacement for now. I only came here to see the reviews to know what to decide. I do a bit of graphics design on Figma .nd photoshop, and a bit of coding too. I also do a bit of AutoCAD every now and then. Apart from that, nothing else. Would anyone recommend taking the t410?
I have a 14 year old R51 made by IBM and it is still kicking. The only thing going on it is the battery. I am looking to get a new one for about 20 dollars and maybe maxing out the RAM. I think I paid $40 for the laptop. A comparison of quality. The R series was IBMs budget and small business line a decade ago and the build quality is better then the Lenovo Thinkpad Edge which is Lenovo's equivalent line. I have and like my E545 but I doubt it will hold up 14 years.
Do you have any sources regarding the project(s) to remove Intel ME from the x220 and/or make it librebootable? I'd like to read details and follow any updates on the progress if possible.
I don't know the specifics, but earlier this year, Minifree was working on it. I don't know if they actually made progress, but a couple other companies and organizations (Purism and system76) have said very recently that they've finally cracked the ME and made it removeable (this should work on the X220 and most all laptops as well). I don't know if this claim has been verified by 3rd parties, but if it's tree a libreboot for the X220 would be very close. Even if Libreboot doesn't do it themselves, you could coreboot the thing and run whatever advanced me_cleaner purlism and s76 have developed.
What will replace the ThinkPad xx20-xx30 (moded) laptops? I bought one x230 (w. 8 gigs of RAM and SSD ) and I really like it but it is quite old and eventually it will die. So what is a good replacement in early 2020. Looking for something that is affordable enough , ergonomic (I'm used to chiklet keyboard but I'm going to mod a classic to my x230 ) , and easily maintained. Maybe even @Luke Smith will update on this
Man even being 7 years old and still running, my T520 and X220 I got off ebay - put in an SSD in each and use them for my travel purposes. Always was a fan but using them man oh man are they still great machines. Built like a tank, still hold up in performance vs most of todays stuff and obviously what the Thinkpad is known for - the keyboard, being spillproof, being able to use them w/ one hand (with extended battery) but its almost like driving a Jeep YJ vs a newer wrangler. Its old school that still holds it own. Seriously..go buy a thinkpad from 2011-2014 vs something new for a quarter of the price and it will most likely beat it!
People, get either a t420/t430 or a T530 and buy a hdd caddy for it. If you travel a alot, the X201 is very comfortable. After the t430 generation the T series are not thinkpads anymore, even though the last model with the actual thinkpad keyboard was the t420.
To be honest, im using an x230 model, with its original keyboard. At first, it felt kinda slipery in comparison with traditional keyboards. But i got used to it, and can't really complain anymore. Still, the newer thinkpads, from t440 and x240, I didn't like the new touchpad, although they have nvme connectors for fast SSD. Still, i love my x230, pretty much the best laptop i ever bought, it was like 70$ on ebay used
I am watching this video on Thinkpad E470 but I would like to buy and try a 2-in-1 ultrabook. Computer gurus please suggest if that could enhance my developer workflow?
How did you manage your trackpoint drivers and sens on Arch Linux? I found myself having to make a conf file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ to make my trackpoint usable. I am wondering if you noticed any change on any of your laptops and do you ever need to change anything related to it upon a fresh install?
Really?? What model do you have, a later one? The trackpoint works out of the box on all of my machines, even on the barest Arch install. No pacakges necessary for me.
Unfortunately, it's a later one. I was gifted the E570 by someone else since he was part of a company that gave heavy discounts for Lenovo products. It's not entirely bad and does what I want it to do for Arch Linux but I had to use this conf (pastebin.com/sivU1y6C) in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ for my trackpoint to not feel like shit.
i find a refurbished x201 for 100€ (grade b) it has a really cool design and nice specs. Damn, the keyboard is waterproof but the only think that i don’t really like is the backlight screen. so... is it still really worth? I also read something on google that says that you can upgrade it as well
T is for "Thin" and X is for "Xtra portable". there is also a bit better price for the money. the W series, "workstation". for $400 used, you get i7 4xxxM series (not U, but M), ssd, at east 8 gb Ram (i've seen more 16 than 8), fingerprint and have optical drive. oh and it's IPS display with 1080 resolution. having optical drive is not necessary but a blessing if you can get one. because you can always swap the optical drive for ssd/hdd. i bought T420 for $200. i5-2420m, 2nd gpu Nvidia nvs5200, ssd 128 gb, 8 gb ram. then i replaced the optical drive with 1 tb hdd and upgrade the ram to 16 gb. it was my main gear for 3 years for using After effect. it is perfectly fine both after and before the upgrade. if you are looking to buy one, buy used W series, or T series with 2nd gpu (rare but waaaay better). never buy the X series (both with and without tablet mode. exact same as T series, without optical drive for the exact same price (at least here)
Malik old comment but I recently bought a W540, i7-4810mq, 28gb ram, 128gb ssd + 500gb hdd, nvidia quadro k2100m for the equivalent of $450! The prices are really coming down these days
The series up through the W520 and T520 have the best keyboards. So those are especially nice to type on. From the 530 on, , they had the island/chicklet keyboards, which are worse. the 540 was especially bad. W series models have an accelerated Nvidia graphics card built in, in addition to the standard Intel graphics. The Nvidia card is used automatically when 3d or fast graphics are needed.
I really hate how their keyboards are laid out though. The reversal of the Fn and Ctrl keys really gets me because I'm used to Ctrl being in the bottom left of the keyboard and it takes several extra seconds to enter keyboard shortcuts. Then a lot of them also have the function keys redirected to Fn+F1-12 while volume control and stuff are the primary function of the buttons. Overall it's just hard to use, and you can't even fix it without cracking open the hardware either since the Fn key's functionality is hardwired into the keyboard.
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@@daveshouldaine2520 Oh trust me, he for sure scripted that haha
@@mosk11tto I'm sure ;)
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I bought a lot of untested Thinkpads that were absolutely not guaranteed to work, thinking that I could at least make one or two work. They all worked flawlessly.
same!
where did you buy them at?
@@p0kepengin592 Mostly Facebook marketplace.
Where’d you buy em and are you planning on selling them? I’d take one
I found my Lenovo T61 ThinkPad in the trash in a subdivision I was working in. NOTHING wrong with it. I love rich ppl leaving me gifts 🤘🤓🤘
For real?
@@dylansnowrove3732 I got a really nice workstation chair the same way. It needed a couple of commonly available bolts to stabilize the arms. Otherwise it's as good as new!
I got the T60 version out of the trash it's the 10th laptop I have found
@@ronaldrobinson2025 I need to do some more skipdiving! I can't believe what people throw away!
@@ronaldrobinson2025 where do you live?
t4** are 14", t5** are 15", w700 is 17", x2** are 12"
x2**'s are 12.5
T5xx and W5xx are 15,6''
X201 is 12"
w70*ds is 17" + 10.6"
THANK YOU SO MUCH
Hey Luke, nice meme. I don't know if you remember, but we talked in the comments a while back and I ended going with your recommendation and got a X220 and fitted it with SSD and such. It's been great and I wanted to say thanks for your help and all you're doing. Keep fighting the good fight!
Are you still happy with it? 2 years have passed and I'm really thinking of buying X220....
i wanna know too xd
@@lilGyros he moved out to the country and cut off his internet
@@jkohnson lmao
@@jkohnson dying laughing
1:52 "inchage" - when _size_ simply won't do
Sign of a poweruser
that made me crack so bad
he does this shit all the time - "electrical stream"
Really made me think...
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.ly
@@stumbling damn it!! LOL
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Can you do a rant on how uncomfortable modern furniture is?
nooooo, can you please do a rant on how shit modern combustion cars are compared to horses?
@@afonsosalbrecht noooo can you please rant about how shit modern horses are compared to walking?
No, Luke. You need SSD. Obviously you don't know what it's like to come back to a slow mechanical drive.
i remember struggling through windows w a 5400 drive, dualbooted linux and it was surprisingly faster. i really didn't think linux is drive independant
Luke is a boomer, never experienced speed or power
i watched this vid before my first year of uni, that was in 2019, i bought an x220 used on ebay for 60 pounds, i still currently use it now at my current job, dual booted hackintosh, arch linux and sonoma MAC OS for IOS development, custom BIOS, 16GB of ram, express card for USB 3.0 / external GPU, new battery, new screen, new keyboard, modded USB c charge port, and it all still cost me less than the cheapest used macbook i could find and ive never been happier, if you're hesitant, and you like tinkering, just buy a thinkpad
Hello. Is there a guide to setup Sonoma on x220?
when your friend thinkpad makes a joke...
C L A S S I C T H I N K P A D
HOW DARE HE SAY T-SERIES!!
#pewdiepieforlife
Hail T-series!
Hail T series
fuck pewdiepie fuck tseries fuck yall
Well, I would say that the keyboard on the T430/T530 is still very good. It's not the old keyboard but it has a unique "premium/business" feeling, which in my opinion isn't tiring at all. The T430/T530/W530 still have the original sturdy build but after those it just goes downhill... I bought my first Thinkpad (T530) about 3 weeks ago and I got a really good deal (about 370€) for the best configuration (i7-3740QM, Nvidia NVS 5400M, 1080p display). This might sound much, but those old Thinkpads are really rare in europe and especially in Austria.
also you can swap out the t430 keyboard with 420 one with the help of youtube
To be entirely fair, the chiclet keyboards on Thinkpads aren't bad for what they are. As far as chiclet keyboards go, Lenovo makes some of the best ones.
The real problem I have with modern Thinkpads is how much they're losing their edge over the competition. It used to be that Thinkpads were almost the only option worth considering for a business laptop, because the build quality and design was just that good. Nowadays they're really no better or worse than any other business laptop.
John van Capel I believe things would be different if IBM had sold their PC Division to Dell or HP, but they had to sell it to Lenovo. I’ve read that they did so because it was a way of getting a foothold in China.
What was the last elite one you would recommend for its time?
@@muhammedbekirkabasakal5788 T480
@@helmetculture t480 bro absolutely. Pop a glass trackpad on it, it can also take 64 of ram and also wwan drive (if you can find one cause they are rare). Its a solid coding and linux machine.
got a thinkpad t520 from my dads work for free, popped an SSD and some more ram in it for a net $50 linux brick
You can install coreboot on the 30s modells now with software alone. The 30s modells have the newer keyboards (which I don't mind) but they usually all have easy keyboard mods as well if you prefer the previous keyboards.
Old Thinkpads have garbage displays.
X 60 is so beautiful！
The 30 series (x230 t430 ...) are still a decent choice if you don't care about the keyboard or free software. They are really close to the previous series in terms of quality and with some tinkering it's possible to install the classic keyboard.
Max 593 I agree. My second ThinkPad was a t430 and is currently my daily driver. It's essentially a t420 with an updated keyboard. It just depends on which keyboard you like better. I have no preference really. All the ThinkPad keyboard hate is kind of turning into a meme.
I have used the x230 for almost a year now and I had absolutely no problems with it.
Just recently, I replaced the charger and the new one didn't work that well so the board got fried. I have taken it for repairs and they offered me the t410 as replacement for now. I only came here to see the reviews to know what to decide.
I do a bit of graphics design on Figma .nd photoshop, and a bit of coding too. I also do a bit of AutoCAD every now and then. Apart from that, nothing else. Would anyone recommend taking the t410?
pretty sure most if not all of the 30-series can be modded pretty easily to use the classic keyboard
Bought my x220 with 4gb RAM 128gb SSD and an i5 for £80.
Where did you get that price?
Arcas someone in a discord channel sold it to me.
I bought mine on ebay (without hdd and batt. but I put a new ssd and and cheap batt.)for $80USD.
Whoa! Is it in good condition? *THINKPAD TELE PORN XXX*
Yes, only a few tiny dings!
I have an X230 with the X220 keyboard/palmrest, and an IPS display! It’s fantastic!
Is the X230 with a X220 keyboard worth the effort? I have an X220t.
@@comicsans1689
Yes, but the x220t is hassle.
You'll want to get the X230 and use X220 parts, non-T.
Was going to get one, but christmas, mom got me a gaming laptop thats much better. Lol. Maybe I will get an x series for portability, and 2 t series to give to mom and dad as a gift. May collect them too.
I got the W510 I paid $200 for it in mint condition. It has 30 gigs of ram and am i7. It's a beast web surfing. Thanks for the excellent video.
Ouh yeah luke's massive rain of videos ! I love this type of weather ;)
Useful and interesting as usual !
The T420 is 14 inches. IBM sold the ThinkPad brand in 2005. The X60 was built under lenovo. The chiclet keyboard was introduced with the T430/X230 generation.
true but you could swap them out
@@dragontos can a x220 or t420 run 1080p videos without problems?
You need to watch out for faulty hard WiFi switch on the X Series. They can play up and switch the WiFi on & off infuriatingly. There's a fix, but it mean taking out the card and masking pins. Other than that they're solid, machines that are great value for money.
that might be the answer to why my x201 wifi is hard blocked and i havent been able to figure out how to remove the hard block
models mentioned:
x60
x200
x220
t420
also mentioned t60 and t400
So the X220 and T420 are the last good Thinkpad? And X200 is the last totally free X series Thinkpad? The T400 is a T series version of a X200?
All laptops are getting worse and worse, in terms of overall quality and design, and the answer is simple: cost cutting, greedy manufacturers. All laptops now look and feel like cheap Chinese toys, with that awful 'chiclet' keyboard that reminds me of old pocket calculator buttons, plus ugly as shit!
I've got 7 of them, i buy most of them in the "for parts" section of ebay and fix them up
move the cup! its making me nervous and you have to lift the T-series way over the top of it
same here
Just bought two T430s Thinkpads for $100 each! i5-3320M, 8GB RAM & 128GB SSD. Amazing laptop! I plan to upgrade the chip & RAM over the next month on one of them, which has already replaced my 2013 Macbook Air 13, as my daily driver. Came with Windows 10, which I kept on the other one but I installed a distro of Linux on my daily driver. Really enjoying this machine!
If you prefer using Core2Duo in 2019 you know you've taken open source too far.
ubuntu, mint, opensuse is better suited for C2D and earlier, windows 10 is more designed for at least C2Q
It'd be fine to use if it weren't for overbloated modern versions of mainstream web browsers. You still can go the pale moon way if you have to though.
@@tedarmavan We're still talking about obsolete hardware. C2Q? Rly? Personally I couldn't go lower than X230 and it's 3rd gen i5 and it's working like a charm with MacOS.
@@marsin23 hehehehe. honestly I don't even have c2q at all, currently own pentium D with windows 7
Seriously, i've been using a X200s in 2018 for almost a year as a desktop replacement and without active cooling this darn thing runs way too hot during normal stuff like Web browsing because holy shit have web browsers become resource-hungry pieces of shit that require hellish powerful machines... just for freaking WEB BROWSING.... Core2Duo today really is only an option if pain and suffering is your kind of thing.
T451 was pretty based. All of the IO I need, removable CPU/ram, and amazing specs tech wise. Only complaint is battery life and trying to get the Nvidia GPU running on linux.
I have a T430 a couple years ago, I upgraded my cpu to a Quad Core i7-3740QM and I'm more than happy with it
I got a thinkpad x200 with 8gb of ram, an ssd, libre boot, and arch linux with i3. Call me a copycat but that machine works damn fine.
Try out dwm, i find it much much simpler
What kind of x200 is that with a i3 and 8 gb of ram? I have a x200s with the Core 2 Duo and 2gb of ram (max 4)
NickCorsair YT i3wm
Wich of the thinkpad line do you recommend for this 2019?
Thanks.
T430
x200
Definitely a T420 with i7 Quadcore, at least 8GB of RAM, Nvidia Optimus and replaced coolingpaste.
I have a T440p with i5 4300m, 8gb ram, 240gb ssd and a FHD IPS screen...what a beast (if you want more processing power, the i7 4700mq or the 4800mq is just £80)
I have used the x230 for almost a year now and I had absolutely no problems with it.
Just recently, I replaced the charger and the new one didn't work that well so the board got fried. I have taken it for repairs and they offered me the t410 as replacement for now. I only came here to see the reviews to know what to decide.
I do a bit of graphics design on Figma .nd photoshop, and a bit of coding too. I also do a bit of AutoCAD every now and then. Apart from that, nothing else. Would anyone recommend taking the t410?
X201 has the same form factor as the X200 but has an i5 chip. This means it takes the same docking station as the X200.
Inchage?
So the X200 and the T400 are the ones that can use Libreboot and the rest are Coreboot.. and the T400 is the same as the x200 but with a bigger display?
just do't buy the OLED Screen, mine last 13 months. And It will cost $600 to replace it. LENOVO didn't cove it with the warranty, because It is over 12 months. I paid almost US $2,500.00 for this Laptop.
I need a free computer not only for philosophy. I mean literally free since I have no money. An used ThinkPad 220 here in Brazil sells for almost $300... that makes no sense lol
get a job
@@lesbianwalrus working on this.
@@raphaelcardoso1194 did you get a Thinkpad yet?
@@roland3578 Start dumpster diving. I've found MANY computers in dumpsters.
@@roland3578 nah =(
Librebooting my t400 was a pain. The bios chip is buried, you have to remove the entire motherboard to access it properly. It's worth it though. I like having the wider screen. I don't know how the t500 fares with librebooting. But my daily workhorse is the x60. Mostly for portability. It's a LOT smaller and lighter than my t400. It's librebooted with an ssd, it's lightning fast. I also have an x60 tablet for note taking purposes but it is a 32 bit cpu. It doesn't make that big of a difference to be honest. It all depends on what you are using it for. Parabola still has 32 bit support but arch doesn't. Both of the x60's were librebooted without taking out a single screw.
I recently bought an x201t though. I do a decent amount of audio and video editing and wanted something more powerful. It's mostly a hobby, but it's relatively cheap for "better" performance. I also use it for taking notes in class/anything else. I corebooted it, put in 8g of ram, and gave it an ssd. I only connect it to the internet for updates. That's the only way I get peace of mind. It will never be completely free, but this is the closest I'll ever get. I plan on removing the wifi-card sometime this week so that the ethernet port is the only access point to the internet. I'm assuming it will work but have yet to test it.
Wifi has a kill switch so don''t be stupid and leave it in.
I bought my thinkpad t400 as not working, it had no display but fan was working.
I flashed the bios with original rom because i didnt have wifi card for libreboot.
But yeah man it was a pain. The 8 pin clip cost too much so i soldered wires directly to the chip but it worked soo i think that clips are kinda overrated.
Can you tell me which 4gb sticks it accepts? I am having trouble with getting my to work with 8 gb
is there a reason why it is so important to remove the intel management engine rather than running an external firewall that blocks any communications between intel and you? same question applies for linux vs windows
Because the IME operates independently of your OS
Bought a used T440p for about 290$ with i7 4710MQ CPU, 256GB SSD, 8GB RAM & FHD display.
Update on it? How is it going?
You Rocked it. I built the same exact thing for about 350.
There is nothing wrong with new keyboard besides the layout
@@smorrow Not everyone likes chicklet keys.
I have t420 with an i7 2620m. To my surprise when I checked out the user benchmark website, a modern i5 7200u or 7300u ultrabook processor is only 20%-30% faster. WTF
The older T and X series laptops are great. The T61 is killer use the bios update and install a SSD. You can also add a second hard drive in place of the CD/DVD drive.
I'm using a T440p right now, and its build like a tank!
ThinkPad T550 100% works out of the box with Linux Debian and FreeBSD 12.
Debian non free?
The individual ThinkPad series do not just differ in screen size...
In the X230 you can add the x220 Keyboard and flash the bios. Both are pretty much the same chassi.
Nope
Just get a t440p and call it a day (after you buy upgrades like an addict of course)
I am looking for a cheap thinkpad that I can easily install most Linux disros easily, and that wifi works easily on. That will easily print to my wifi printer. I dont want to spend hours and days looking at utube videos and programming videos to magyver something to work. I like things that work easily. What would you recommend? Or just get an older dell xps?
I prefer the T430 and its keyboard and might collect 1-2 more refurbished Thinkpads from that time. My T430 only takes slim 2.5" disks and it is the only issue to consider. The newer "laptops" do not make much sense to me. Gaming/3D equipment jumped from $500 to $2000 in recent years and we get more in the desktop departments than in the experimental laptop departments.
Old video I know but, is that maté you are drinking?
I was shocked you didn't knock over that cup. Great video!
Master-Move... get a Laptop with AMD CPU. No Intel no IME.
I'm a proud owner of a T420, a random redditor recommend it to me and I love him for it.
I'm about to go pick one up now. Found one for 120....looking forward to upgrading it.
I'm considering t450s for the future.
@@BananaCueCrew I own one and I can only recommend it. It's actually my favorite one. The first Thinkpad with an actual decent trackpad and the last Thinkpad with (hot)swappable batteries.
Why you have so many lap top?. I got T43 model. For some reason virus damaged my software and had to reinstall its software, it’s been 7 years I forgot about em but last night I decided to upgrade its memory to 4G, and reinstall windows it finally run again.
my hard drive seems small I attempted to install Microsoft office but it says my hard drive doesn’t have enough space. ; (
try light os or chromium
Thanks for the advice I just bought T480 i7 8th generation loaded with 64gb Ram m2 ssd..
Holy shit thats powerful man happy for ya
I only know the newer models. I have a t570 which is horrible. Super cheaply build, bad keyboard. Wouldn't recomend. Only good thing is the battery life.
I liked ThinkPads until I came to the realization that ThinkPad is owned by Lenovo, Lenovo is a PRC-based company, and every PRC-based company-or any PRC-based wing of any company-has to have a CCP officer on the board if it has 75+ employees.
*Hong Kong
They are based in HK, not Mainland PRC.
I just purchased a t430; i agree with you about the t420/x220 being the last real good one in stock configuration, but if you're planning on doing mods, t430 seems more suitable. I'm gonna throw in an i7 quad core, a t420 keyboard, likely an IPS screen with an FHD IPS mod, and will use 1vyrain software to disable Intel Management and allow for custom BIOS flashing (along with other goodies like overclocking and such).
Granted by the end I'll have spent probably as much as getting a fairly modern laptop, but it's gonna be a durable workhorse and have the old keyboard anyway.
I'll likely grab an x220 and maybe an x200 as well if I find them cheap enough so I can have some beaters to mess around with, but the t430 is definitely solid if you want to do some diy modding.
did u do it bruh? how is it?
What are your guys thoughts on the p1 gen 2? looking at the:
9th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-9850H with vPro™ (2.60GHz, up to 4.60GHz with Turbo Boost, 6 Cores, 12MB Cache)
16GB DDR4 2666MHz
512GB SSD PCIe
NVIDIA® Quadro® T2000 4GB
Anythought? Looking around on google and not sure but thinkpads arent in any of those lists, so it has me thinking if i should get one.
Well, actually the ThinkPad chiclet keyboard is far superior to the MacBook KBs. They are really comfortable to type on. If you want a more modern experience go with the xx40 or xx50 line. They have high res displays and modern amenities such as 4g. Also, the batteries are much younger and some of them are being made with quality standards. My daily casual is an X1c 3rd gen and my "workhorse" is a T540p with the T550 trackpad (the xx40 gen has a terrible solution for the TrackPoint buttons.
Oh no, not T-Series ATTENTION ALL 9 YEAR OLDS!!
watching on my t520 running arch :-)
I think 4 or 5 thinkpads is way too much, I would buy 1 or 2 so 1 would be kept as spare and later spend money to do memory upgrade for maximum available and the same type/brand to make sure it works well.
In the past I had R51e from new but later I bought 2 of used T500 and I upgraded both to 8GB RAM. Later I sold R51e on Ebay and I had to give one T500 away. I upgraded disc to 500GB SSD. and I can put old hard drive in Ultra Bay instead of DVD RAM because I have got special frame for this. I upgraded also BIOS and I had to change processor fan after I bought it, because it was noisy. I have got this laptop about 9 years and still works very well. The price for each T500 was about £130 as far I remember, very cheap. Even nowadays 1680x1050 is hight resolutuon for laptop and 8GB RAM is also a lot, processor is fast enough for what I am doing.
so it's 2020 Did they succeed with librebooting i5 and i7?
Lenovo went to the chicklet style keyboard so they could add back lite keys. Some reviews have stated that these keyboards were not that bad in their feel, but the layout was bad. In any case you can transplant an X220 keyboard into an x230, and a T420 keyboard into a T430. So I would suggest that the X230 and T430 are acceptable machines.
Id rather the original keyboard like whats on my x220 than a crappy backlit chicklet keyboard!
You don't need ckicklet keys to be backlit (See: Thinkpad 25). Leshito is pandering to mindless normies while throwing the hardcore Thinkpad fanbase under the bus.
I don't get the hate for the chicklet keyboard. I think they are still the best keyboards in the business and a lot of reviewers agree on that. Maybe the older keyboards were even better, however I don't know if you wanna get a 7 year old or even older machine at this point.
I have a Lenovo T430 but I do wish the screen was better other than that I love mine
I Disagree I had a L440 series Thinkpad for work and It has one of the best keyboards of all my laptops
I bought a t440 can anyone tell me if I made a mistake buying that Thinkpad? I spent 180 on it
What kind of HD do these laptops take? Do any take SATA? IDE is very hard to find.
Is it already possible to get Libreboot in the x220 ?
T410 for $1 at a surplus sale. Love it! I5 520m and 4gb ram running manjaro
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I have used the x230 for almost a year now and I had absolutely no problems with it.
Just recently, I replaced the charger and the new one didn't work that well so the board got fried. I have taken it for repairs and they offered me the t410 as replacement for now. I only came here to see the reviews to know what to decide.
I do a bit of graphics design on Figma .nd photoshop, and a bit of coding too. I also do a bit of AutoCAD every now and then. Apart from that, nothing else. Would anyone recommend taking the t410?
I have a 14 year old R51 made by IBM and it is still kicking. The only thing going on it is the battery. I am looking to get a new one for about 20 dollars and maybe maxing out the RAM. I think I paid $40 for the laptop. A comparison of quality. The R series was IBMs budget and small business line a decade ago and the build quality is better then the Lenovo Thinkpad Edge which is Lenovo's equivalent line. I have and like my E545 but I doubt it will hold up 14 years.
Throw out the Tseries. And subscribe to PewDiePie.
lenovo x1 carbons have best display hands down too bad about the soldiered ram though
Do you have any sources regarding the project(s) to remove Intel ME from the x220 and/or make it librebootable? I'd like to read details and follow any updates on the progress if possible.
I don't know the specifics, but earlier this year, Minifree was working on it. I don't know if they actually made progress, but a couple other companies and organizations (Purism and system76) have said very recently that they've finally cracked the ME and made it removeable (this should work on the X220 and most all laptops as well). I don't know if this claim has been verified by 3rd parties, but if it's tree a libreboot for the X220 would be very close. Even if Libreboot doesn't do it themselves, you could coreboot the thing and run whatever advanced me_cleaner purlism and s76 have developed.
Still have my t420 with an i5 and 8 gb ddr3 :D .
Since how long have you been using it ?
What will replace the ThinkPad xx20-xx30 (moded) laptops? I bought one x230 (w. 8 gigs of RAM and SSD ) and I really like it but it is quite old and eventually it will die.
So what is a good replacement in early 2020. Looking for something that is affordable enough , ergonomic (I'm used to chiklet keyboard but I'm going to mod a classic to my x230 ) , and easily maintained.
Maybe even @Luke Smith will update on this
I hate thinkpads because they are too expensive and are plastic bombs.
Poor quality also. For the price of a T seriesI get a MacBook.
Man even being 7 years old and still running, my T520 and X220 I got off ebay - put in an SSD in each and use them for my travel purposes. Always was a fan but using them man oh man are they still great machines. Built like a tank, still hold up in performance vs most of todays stuff and obviously what the Thinkpad is known for - the keyboard, being spillproof, being able to use them w/ one hand (with extended battery) but its almost like driving a Jeep YJ vs a newer wrangler. Its old school that still holds it own. Seriously..go buy a thinkpad from 2011-2014 vs something new for a quarter of the price and it will most likely beat it!
I wanted a Ultrabook. I wanted the best. I bought a X1 Carbon, and it is the best lol :)
got a t440 with 12gb of ram, 256gb ssd 4300u full hd for £350, cannot complain
I just bought an x201. I have a toshiba for a few years, and the x201 has more guts!
Is the X220 libre-bootable in 2021?
People, get either a t420/t430 or a T530 and buy a hdd caddy for it. If you travel a alot, the X201 is very comfortable. After the t430 generation the T series are not thinkpads anymore, even though the last model with the actual thinkpad keyboard was the t420.
So T-Series is also doing laptops now, huh?
yes, but pewdiepie ones are better
To be honest, im using an x230 model, with its original keyboard. At first, it felt kinda slipery in comparison with traditional keyboards. But i got used to it, and can't really complain anymore. Still, the newer thinkpads, from t440 and x240, I didn't like the new touchpad, although they have nvme connectors for fast SSD.
Still, i love my x230, pretty much the best laptop i ever bought, it was like 70$ on ebay used
I am watching this video on Thinkpad E470
but I would like to buy and try a 2-in-1 ultrabook. Computer gurus please suggest if that could enhance my developer workflow?
Luke, how are they holding up in 2020?
bruh inchage is not a word...
but yet again Ajit Pai is a real person!
x230 with x220 keyboard anyone?
How did you manage your trackpoint drivers and sens on Arch Linux? I found myself having to make a conf file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ to make my trackpoint usable. I am wondering if you noticed any change on any of your laptops and do you ever need to change anything related to it upon a fresh install?
Really?? What model do you have, a later one? The trackpoint works out of the box on all of my machines, even on the barest Arch install. No pacakges necessary for me.
Unfortunately, it's a later one. I was gifted the E570 by someone else since he was part of a company that gave heavy discounts for Lenovo products. It's not entirely bad and does what I want it to do for Arch Linux but I had to use this conf (pastebin.com/sivU1y6C) in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ for my trackpoint to not feel like shit.
i find a refurbished x201 for 100€ (grade b) it has a really cool design and nice specs. Damn, the keyboard is waterproof but the only think that i don’t really like is the backlight screen.
so... is it still really worth?
I also read something on google that says that you can upgrade it as well
T is for "Thin" and X is for "Xtra portable".
there is also a bit better price for the money. the W series, "workstation". for $400 used, you get i7 4xxxM series (not U, but M), ssd, at east 8 gb Ram (i've seen more 16 than 8), fingerprint and have optical drive. oh and it's IPS display with 1080 resolution.
having optical drive is not necessary but a blessing if you can get one.
because you can always swap the optical drive for ssd/hdd.
i bought T420 for $200. i5-2420m, 2nd gpu Nvidia nvs5200, ssd 128 gb, 8 gb ram.
then i replaced the optical drive with 1 tb hdd and upgrade the ram to 16 gb.
it was my main gear for 3 years for using After effect. it is perfectly fine both after and before the upgrade.
if you are looking to buy one, buy used W series, or T series with 2nd gpu (rare but waaaay better). never buy the X series (both with and without tablet mode. exact same as T series, without optical drive for the exact same price (at least here)
Malik old comment but I recently bought a W540, i7-4810mq, 28gb ram, 128gb ssd + 500gb hdd, nvidia quadro k2100m for the equivalent of $450! The prices are really coming down these days
There's nothing wrong with the X-Series either. You won't game on one, but it's much more portable than the T or W series and very usable and useful.
Which w series and t series would you recommend? What do you mean by 2nd gpu?
The series up through the W520 and T520 have the best keyboards. So those are especially nice to type on. From the 530 on, , they had the island/chicklet keyboards, which are worse. the 540 was especially bad. W series models have an accelerated Nvidia graphics card built in, in addition to the standard Intel graphics. The Nvidia card is used automatically when 3d or fast graphics are needed.
T is for Tank
I really hate how their keyboards are laid out though. The reversal of the Fn and Ctrl keys really gets me because I'm used to Ctrl being in the bottom left of the keyboard and it takes several extra seconds to enter keyboard shortcuts. Then a lot of them also have the function keys redirected to Fn+F1-12 while volume control and stuff are the primary function of the buttons. Overall it's just hard to use, and you can't even fix it without cracking open the hardware either since the Fn key's functionality is hardwired into the keyboard.
What ThinkPad (my first) should I get in 2020?