What Happened To NINJA Films?

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    Support the channel: / rossp . Back in the eighties violent Ninja films were all the rage, but now we barely see them at all...so what happened?
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  • @theexpatriatenomad9369
    @theexpatriatenomad9369 5 лет назад +110

    My opinion, Sho Kosugi was hands down the best ninja! Loved his movies during the 80's!

    • @trevarid
      @trevarid 5 лет назад +8

      The Expatriate Nomad Facts. Pray for Death and the Ninja Trilogy were some of my favs. He’s the Goat when coming to Ninja films.

    • @mattyleadfoot
      @mattyleadfoot 5 лет назад +3

      I thought he was great too. Had a poster on my wall.
      I heard they motion captured his movements for the original PS1 game Tenchu. I loved that game ! (not so much the sequels, but the first one)

    • @rukitiopira4060
      @rukitiopira4060 5 лет назад +3

      Enter the ninja Franko nero
      1983

    • @killagun1154
      @killagun1154 5 лет назад +4

      Real badman

    • @RobimusPrime
      @RobimusPrime 5 лет назад +3

      Marcus Kirlew yup Pray for Death is dope movie. Also, Revenge of the Ninja. Never get tired watching it again. I cant never find Pray for Death in dvd, but I have it as a mpeg and vhs.

  • @josephparker4022
    @josephparker4022 6 лет назад +80

    To be fair to the ninja turtles in the original comic they were straight up ninjas, violent and stealthy.

    • @bruceleeds7988
      @bruceleeds7988 6 лет назад +17

      and Slimmer, The Turles in the New movies are way too big, that's a tortiose

    • @hiranom20
      @hiranom20 5 лет назад +11

      @@bruceleeds7988 Thank Michael Bay, and the writers that put that together.

    • @thebrownbaldy
      @thebrownbaldy 5 лет назад +8

      If only we could get that version of the Ninja Turtles......

    • @Tethloach1
      @Tethloach1 5 лет назад +6

      i really liked ninja turtles as a kid and even enjoyed the video game as a teenager. I would even go outside climb on roofs like a ninja and it was fun.

  • @rotoninja
    @rotoninja 7 лет назад +70

    The most underrated ninja movie of all-time: The Octagon. Also, The Wolverine missed an opportunity to make a good ninja movie.

  • @LifeWithPico
    @LifeWithPico 7 лет назад +129

    The Hunted with Chris Lambert is a great ninja movie

    • @BushidoHEAT
      @BushidoHEAT 5 лет назад +2

      One of my personal favorites!

    • @gotd4m
      @gotd4m 5 лет назад +7

      Was thinking the same thing. He had plenty of clips from the movie, but didnt bother to mention it. It treated ninja pretty much exactly how he described.

    • @OminusMentor
      @OminusMentor 5 лет назад +2

      Yes...that is the one the first popped into my mind...a personal favorite

    • @prettyflyforafilipin
      @prettyflyforafilipin 5 лет назад +3

      @Curt Christensen there are two movies called, "the hunted."

    • @shade3887
      @shade3887 5 лет назад

      Completely agree! 😎👌

  • @KnjazNazrath
    @KnjazNazrath 7 лет назад +204

    It must have been a Ninja to blame for the disappearance of Ninja films.
    Because only a Ninja...
    ...can defeat A NINJA!

  • @shivzzi
    @shivzzi 7 лет назад +159

    I really liked Ninja Assassin for some reason

    • @fusiontoa18
      @fusiontoa18 6 лет назад +24

      ''for some reason'' it was a cool movie duh

    • @superlive98
      @superlive98 5 лет назад +2

      One of my grandmother's favorite films, she was 82 when I took her to watch it.

    • @bakedizzle24
      @bakedizzle24 5 лет назад

      if u skip all the dialogue it’s pretty good

    • @elmephisto1847
      @elmephisto1847 5 лет назад

      It was good

    • @Mintcar923
      @Mintcar923 5 лет назад

      Potato Ninja 1.. Ninja II.. Ninja Assassin.. This is a nice little more recent ninja trilogy which kind of parallels the ones we had in the 80’s.. Of course, I’d like to see more eventually.. Revenge of the Ninja still the GOAT for me then The Octagon

  • @superdutyzack
    @superdutyzack 5 лет назад +87

    Take the genre of Ninjas.
    Give it the John Wick treatment.
    Boom, trilogy waiting to happen.

    • @MultiRedskull
      @MultiRedskull 5 лет назад +3

      Woow. 👍👍👍

    • @waxl4449
      @waxl4449 5 лет назад +1

      john Wick just rubbish Hollywood product,ninja were real assassins,well trained, focused,commitment and sheer will..

    • @superdutyzack
      @superdutyzack 5 лет назад +3

      jc weiland's you completely missed the concept of what I meant.

    • @superdutyzack
      @superdutyzack 5 лет назад +1

      @Mike L What and who are you asking?

    • @vie3147
      @vie3147 5 лет назад

      SuperDuty Zack So someone kills the Ninja's shogun or master then turns into a killing machine with almost no dialogue. sounds boring to me

  • @jimofthenorth8090
    @jimofthenorth8090 7 лет назад +76

    so pleased to hear Ninja Scroll getting a shout out. So love this film, yet it seems massively undiscovered.

    • @EnvyMachinery
      @EnvyMachinery 7 лет назад +5

      Why doesn't Jubei fuck Kagero!? Why!? I don't understand!

    • @EnvyMachinery
      @EnvyMachinery 7 лет назад +3

      And Jubei was the only one who was immune to said magical poison vagina.

    • @k1w1mat71
      @k1w1mat71 7 лет назад +4

      that fight with the blind guy was pretty bad ass

    • @mr.jayjay2401
      @mr.jayjay2401 7 лет назад +3

      Basilisk was a good ninja anime too

    • @ILLRICARDO
      @ILLRICARDO 7 лет назад +3

      jim Jennings shinobi heart under blade, is the live action version.

  • @jamyangpelsang3099
    @jamyangpelsang3099 7 лет назад +101

    I never realized how ironic it is that ninja are simultaneously viewed as both incredible assassins and generic henchmen in pop culture. It might be because no other stereotypical Asian villain can both stand out a bit from conventional bad guys and fit a modern setting better compared to samurai and shaolin monks who are either portrayed as too heroic/good-natured or have outfits that are too anachronistic and nonsensical for the purposes of movies taking place in contemporary times. But unfortunately for that reason, ninjas have been relegated to a cheesy overused character....good luck with the action film you're working on btw. Hope to hear more about it soon.

    • @wd9161
      @wd9161 6 лет назад +1

      Man, your channel is great

    • @ijansk
      @ijansk 7 месяцев назад

      Ninjas are exclusively Japanese culture. How do you insert ninjas in western culture for movies while making sense?

  • @thisaccountisdead9060
    @thisaccountisdead9060 7 лет назад +27

    Woke up, fell out of bed. Dragged a comb across my head. Found my way downstairs and drank a cup. And looking up I noticed I was late. Found my coat and grabbed my hat. Made the bus in seconds flat. Found my way upstairs and had a smoke. And somebody spoke and then I was killed by a Ninja.

  • @rocketpunchgo1
    @rocketpunchgo1 7 лет назад +37

    The Tenchu: Stealth Assasin shoutout did my heart good. Would absolutely love to see that game revived.

    • @EnvyMachinery
      @EnvyMachinery 7 лет назад +2

      Fingers crossed the Dark Souls team has it on their to-do list.

    • @Rossatron
      @Rossatron  7 лет назад +2

      smokebomb.exe played it so much back in the day on PS1. I'd kill for a solid reboot. Shinobi on PS2 was pretty great fun too.

    • @cordia96
      @cordia96 7 лет назад

      IF DS3 is suppost to be the ending to the series, I'm curious to see how the fanbase will handel it. Nobody ever gave a shit about Ku-On, Metal Wolf Chaos (no pressure on MS 4 western release?) or Armored Core.
      And according to wikipedia, From Software was more of a publisher for Tenchu, while developement was done by K2 and Aquire Studios.

    • @EnvyMachinery
      @EnvyMachinery 7 лет назад

      I can't speak much for Kuon, since I'd never heard of it until now, but horror games really don't see that much mainstream popularity. I did play Armored Core when I was a kid, though, and I'm pretty comfortable saying they aren't anything to write home about. On top of that, like horror games, mech games also don't see much mainstream popularity. Horror games have their big names, but can you name any mech game that is a household name?
      Granted, the biggest reason for Dark Souls' global recognition is because it became like a right of passage. It's strange that other games of its kind didn't share the same fame (Ninja Gaiden), but I'm not sure what to attribute that to. However, the studio has built such a reputation that whatever they churn out next is bound to be successful since it has a built-in fan base, and I definitely believe it's earned. I have no doubt their next project will be a good game, but I'm not so certain it'll be something I'm interested in.

    • @cordia96
      @cordia96 7 лет назад

      EnvyMachinery I'm just not so sure about the fanbase. It's bizarre

  • @youtubevoice1050
    @youtubevoice1050 7 лет назад +95

    One of the main problems is, that the depiction of ninjas in most movies is essentially 90% fantasy cliché. And viewers stopped taking them seriously. Ninja were spies - and quite often samurai themselves (those are the only ones that are documented). The western analog is essentially a secret agent or special forces in disguise, much like James Bond (which is of course also embellished). A more realistic, credible approach would therefore be nice to see. Although this might only work in a historical or at least asian scenario. The thought of actual "ninjas" in western society is kinda ridiculous and anachronistic. So yeah, it would require a serious, realistic approach and credible story to successfully exhume ninjas from their B-movie graves. But then I'd say the fun is guaranteed!

    • @MightySavagE
      @MightySavagE 7 лет назад +5

      The Ninjas as a whole - as far as general populous is concerned - are a fantasy. Not only movies, but basically anything in culture. But that kinda makes them cool, no?

    • @cordia96
      @cordia96 7 лет назад +18

      We live in the cynical era, where it has to be either dark, gritty realistic or cheesy nostalgia callbacks to better days of Entertainment with the extra dip of irony. But I'm down with the notion of making Ninjas scary again. The simple concept of a spy in any form is pretty disturbing to me.

    • @robertmoorhead2406
      @robertmoorhead2406 7 лет назад +12

      Eh... kinda.
      There were a couple types of shinobi, historically.
      One type were simple farmers, guerrilla fighters, fighting with anything they had: trowels, scythes, chains. This is where a lot of a ninja's equipment comes from. Sometimes, a ronin would adopt these methods too, adding swordplay to the mix.
      The second were the organized shinobi clans, such as the Iga or Koga. These were highly trained mercenaries who were willing to break the calcified honor code of the samurai. Basically, black ops for hire. They would disguise themselves as travelers, act as scouts or assassins, even start riots on enemy controlled lands. The Iga clan were wiped out by Oda Nobunaga with the survivors become beholden to the shogunate, while the Koga existed until their last master, Fujita Seiko, refused to train any more ninja
      Finally, there were the oniwaban, or garden keepers, who were basically govenment secret police who get lumped in with ninjas due to their secretive nature and using ninja clans as trainers and hired help.
      As one last note, the "traditional ninja" outfit, the all black outfit that covers their body, came from the theatre, where it was what stagehands would dress in allow them to blend in with the black curtain. Eventually, a playwright had the bright idea to have a "stagehand" assassinate a character. After all, a shinobi's whole job was the blend into the scenery. It was such a brilliant idea, that it soon became a cliche in Japanese theatre, to the point that the popular perception of a shinobi was that.

    • @vallgron
      @vallgron 7 лет назад

      Hashashin would be so much better for the role ninjas have taken in entertainment

    • @heroicdefender9747
      @heroicdefender9747 6 лет назад +2

      @Robert
      >break the calcified honor code of the samurai
      You do know that several Shinobi such as Hattori Hanzo, the leader of the Iga Ninja Clan were also a Samurai as well correct?
      And also the Samurai are not nearly as honorable as pop-culture romanticizes them to be

  • @billbill6094
    @billbill6094 3 года назад +6

    I hope you've played Ghost of Tsushima, they touched on everything you said about the brutality of the ninja, what it takes to be one and the morality of their code. At some point you even start questioning the protagonist's methods even though you see how it's the only way to defeat the threat your faced with.
    I sincerely believe if the story had been a movie it would've been a classic.

  • @Solarstar10
    @Solarstar10 7 лет назад +14

    Great shout out on Leon. As soon as you were describing the whole hunted down by a Ninja thing, I immediately thought of the opening to Leon: The Professional. I bet 90's Luc Besson could have made a brilliant Ninja film. It's a shame his career has been a up and down as of late.

  • @Popdaddy88
    @Popdaddy88 5 лет назад +7

    Ninja alone: unstoppable killing machine
    Ninja in groups: cannon fodder

  • @HanoverFiste3
    @HanoverFiste3 7 лет назад +46

    Ninja assassin is absolutely raw

    • @920mario
      @920mario 6 лет назад

      HanoverFiste3 super raw

    • @superlive98
      @superlive98 5 лет назад +1

      @Carnivorus They wanted the blood splashing to resemble the hand-drawn animation in NINJA SCROLL. CGI blood was really the only way to do it with live action actors.

  • @holden6104
    @holden6104 5 лет назад +36

    Michael Dudikoff getting casted over Sho Kosugi is what killed ninja films.

    • @44excalibur
      @44excalibur 5 лет назад +3

      How was Michael Dudikoff cast over Sho Kosugi? The American Ninja series was totally separate from the Enter The Ninja series. Sho Kosugi did a lot of ninja films during the 80s, far more than the ones that Dudikoff did.

    • @holden6104
      @holden6104 5 лет назад +4

      @@44excalibur Canon Films funded all of the 80s ninja films with Sho Kosugi, but switched to Dudikoff once American Ninja hit the theatre. Sho Kosugi's films had never seen a theatrical release, and I assume Canon felt that an Asian lead wouldn't be able to carry the day in a theatrical release. Unfortunately, Dudikoff was garbage both from a fighting and from an acting point of view. Canon tried to milk American Ninja with sequels but they bombed and eventually the whole ninja thing went out of style. Canon eventually went out of business.

    • @44excalibur
      @44excalibur 5 лет назад +6

      @Holden Are you kidding? I grew up in the 1980s and I clearly remember many of Sho Kosugi's films getting a theatrical release and even advertised on TV, such as Ninja III: The Domination and Pray For Death. And Cannon went out of business for a lot of reasons, mostly because they made a lot of bad movies, not just the ninja films.

    • @holden6104
      @holden6104 5 лет назад +1

      @@44excalibur I grew up in the 80s as well, and from my recollection the ninja trilogy was direct to vhs. The possible exception is the first film, Enter the Ninja, but that film featured Franco Nero in the starring role. Pray for Death was not a Canon film so I can't speak for that.

    • @44excalibur
      @44excalibur 5 лет назад +3

      @Holen Nope, I clearly remember seeing TV ads for both Ninja III: The Domination, and Pray For Death. Ninja III featured Lucinda Dickey from the Breakin' films, which were also distributed by Cannon Films, so they made sure to advertise it.

  • @tnowak
    @tnowak 5 лет назад +11

    American Ninja and Revenge of the Ninja are my fav

  • @Xainfinen
    @Xainfinen 7 лет назад +2

    The first time I came up on one of your video, I instantly knew you loved movies as much as I do, and have the same questions I keep asking myself for years. On top of that you answer them with very good insight that show cases your love for movies. Keep it up and thank you.

  • @NovaScotiaNewfie
    @NovaScotiaNewfie 5 лет назад +9

    Technically they were never Ninja films as there was no ninjutsu in them. It was karate and other styles that have no connection to shinobijutsu/ninjutsu.
    But I loved them growing up!

  • @Ian-oe9wp
    @Ian-oe9wp 7 лет назад +60

    two words : samurai cop

  • @Biodebatable
    @Biodebatable 7 лет назад +5

    I feel like having a story revolving around a small group of people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time being hunted by a ninja, no country for old men style would work really well. they find a friend of theirs murdered and as they are searching for the killer, the ninja in this case realises that he was sloppy and starts cleaning up every loose end

    • @Biodebatable
      @Biodebatable 7 лет назад +1

      adding to it, each person is taken out one by one as they try to survive untill the morning while protecting the evidence they found

  • @cloudri
    @cloudri 5 лет назад +2

    Finally someone made a video about what I've been thinking about for a long time thank you for your hard work

  • @gobucs3146
    @gobucs3146 5 лет назад +17

    Revenge of the Ninja, what a bad ass movie.

    • @STONESGAM
      @STONESGAM 5 лет назад +1

      Best Ninja movie ever.

    • @JohnDoe-hz4wd
      @JohnDoe-hz4wd 5 лет назад

      Derek Gabrys Enter the Ninja was better

    • @STONESGAM
      @STONESGAM 5 лет назад +1

      @@JohnDoe-hz4wd umm...good too but No. Was Sho Kusugi dragged on his knees by a van in Enter the Ninja? Perfect mix of ninja action and unintentional hilarity.

    • @JohnDoe-hz4wd
      @JohnDoe-hz4wd 5 лет назад

      Derek Gabrys Yes he was dragged, but look up Enter the Ninja death scene, and tell me it wasn't better.

  • @mfcoom9485
    @mfcoom9485 7 лет назад +11

    We need a logan kind of ninja movie

  • @CoinOpTV
    @CoinOpTV 7 лет назад +4

    Go Ninja Go Ninja Go!

  • @davydevilution7297
    @davydevilution7297 7 лет назад +60

    The Japanese Movie, *13 Assassins* was excellent! Loved it!!

    • @brocksrocks9012
      @brocksrocks9012 7 лет назад +33

      more of a samurai movie than Ninja tho.

    • @MakerInMotion
      @MakerInMotion 7 лет назад +6

      A perfect example of build up and pay off. That final battle scene was a masterpiece.

    • @brocksrocks9012
      @brocksrocks9012 7 лет назад +1

      absolutely, my second favorite Takashi Miike film to date.

    • @WarlordRising
      @WarlordRising 7 лет назад +1

      The film didn't really portray the Ronin as ninjas, though. They weren't paid to assassinate the evil lord. It was a decision made out of just ethics and emotion rather than payment.

    • @MakerInMotion
      @MakerInMotion 7 лет назад +4

      True, and it's a reason why I find samurai films more interesting than ninja films. Ninjas as we know them didn't really exist. A ninja was anyone engaging in espionage. Technically a maid who was bribed to steal documents from her employer was a ninja. The outfit and the martial arts was added on by popular culture. Samurais on the other hand are a bit more grounded in history. They had a code of ethics and a way of living that is hard to imagine today.

  • @greytoeimp
    @greytoeimp 7 лет назад

    love your videos, man! they are really fun and retro, but also enlightening and highly relevant to film today. keep up the good work!

  • @0631ix
    @0631ix 7 лет назад +89

    Just a suggestion: You could list all the films that you've previewed in the video, in the description, in order of appearance. It might be useful for the audience.

    • @chocobros1
      @chocobros1 7 лет назад +1

      Obelix Industries I wholeheartedly agree. That would be a huge help

    • @THEBLACKBELT
      @THEBLACKBELT 7 лет назад +4

      Obelix Industries Useful. But would risk his video being flagged for copyright reasons.

    • @Pikero24
      @Pikero24 7 лет назад +9

      He does have them in the captions and even mentions it in the video proper!

    • @Isvoor
      @Isvoor 7 лет назад +3

      Yup, every single movie is listed inside the video itself. Just turn on English captions.

    • @0631ix
      @0631ix 7 лет назад +4

      True that, but if someone has just watched the whole video and wants to write down some film names, it's easier to just glance over a tidy list in description than watch whole 11 mins all over again, pausing at every new film's name.

  • @RenzoM2811
    @RenzoM2811 7 лет назад +5

    Man, I love this channel!

  • @ghossler
    @ghossler 5 лет назад

    Loved every ninja movie or reference u made in the video! Great job!

  • @cinemabun3074
    @cinemabun3074 7 лет назад

    Terrific Video! Love the recipe you give at the end!

  • @OminusMentor
    @OminusMentor 5 лет назад +4

    "Princess Blade" is a movie I remember...I honestly don't recall if the group was Ninja or something else...but it had fun action scenes

  • @blaxicanx
    @blaxicanx 7 лет назад +7

    It's 50% overused caricatures and 50% fear of cultural appropriation imo.

  • @SchizoFenikChannel
    @SchizoFenikChannel 5 лет назад +2

    I have been thinking the exact same thing regarding Ninja films. I loved the American Ninja series as a child but the last good ninja films for me were Ninja/Ninja: Shadow of a Tear. Aside from that this was a great video by you and I have subscribed.

  • @graham1034
    @graham1034 7 лет назад +8

    Ninja Scroll is my favorite ninja movie. It's just so good.

  • @christopherlewis4595
    @christopherlewis4595 5 лет назад +6

    I loved the ninja training and aspect of batman!
    After the last samurai I've been hoping they'd do one similar realistic style to that when with ninja!! Hell even lat samurai 2, where he stays, returns to the village and ends up teaming up with four reasons, or seeks them out to further his studies, then conflict or what ever..

  • @abadyr_
    @abadyr_ 7 лет назад +20

    Ninja are aimed at kids because our mainstream conception of them is too obviously ludicrous to be taken seriously anymore

    • @dtothee8730
      @dtothee8730 7 лет назад +2

      I blame Hollywood and TMNT for that.

    • @misterguy2329
      @misterguy2329 7 лет назад +6

      TMNT is not to blame for ninjas not being taken seriously. TMNT is a symptom of that, meaning ninjas were already ripe to parody when TMNT showed up.

  • @letsgoforaspin
    @letsgoforaspin 3 года назад +2

    The ninja attack in the Last Samurai was amazing, if they had a ninja film like that I would be happy

  • @murrik
    @murrik 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks for making this, its like therapy to me to have a conversation or something on ninja

  • @PhilipZeplinDK
    @PhilipZeplinDK 6 лет назад +3

    Maaaan, this was a blast from the past!
    I used to LOVE those movies - probably the reason I got into Martial Arts at all!

  • @thejoojoo9999
    @thejoojoo9999 7 лет назад +24

    So, historical inaccuracies are EXTREMELY common about the ninjas (and anyway it doesn't really matter, because action film ninjas are awesome), but if you want to learn a bit about who ninjas really were and what they did , go check The Metatron's videos on them, in which he explains what is historically correct and what is bullshit.

  • @thecurse23
    @thecurse23 7 лет назад

    I love your videos. subscribed for sure!

  • @ajwaddanwarr3409
    @ajwaddanwarr3409 7 лет назад

    I'm so glad you made this video, I have been thinking about writing a script for a historically accurate ninja film. If you read their history, you realize there is a lot there

  • @stevewibble7467
    @stevewibble7467 5 лет назад +9

    I think “Batman Begins” gave the genre some much needed kudos.

  • @ALT3REDB3AST
    @ALT3REDB3AST 5 лет назад +3

    Warriors Way was a pretty cool movie with ninjas. The ending was EPIC!

  • @flavio-neri
    @flavio-neri 5 лет назад

    I also missed the ninjas in video games. I'm waiting for a new Ninja Gaiden for a long time. Btw, congrats! I enjoyed your video. You did it so well.

  • @SpendingAddict
    @SpendingAddict 5 лет назад

    Nice to hear your voice ESO! I've missed you since I stopped playing Skyrim. Great vid! ☺

    • @Rossatron
      @Rossatron  5 лет назад

      I do not understand this but you're welcome

  • @alhowell4732
    @alhowell4732 5 лет назад +3

    It is about time for another good, really action packed ninja movie, I would definitely pay to see it.

  • @GarfieldRex
    @GarfieldRex 5 лет назад +4

    I liked a lot the Ninja attack in The Last Samurai

  • @Eralen00
    @Eralen00 5 лет назад +1

    I'd love to see a movie that accurately depicts historical Shinobi, who were primarily spies who only occasionally committed sabotage, and even less frequently, assassinations. They tried to blend in, not stand out, and did not wear the black jumpsuits (like most movies depict). The most popular (but not irrefutable) theory is that the black jumpsuits originate from Kabuki theater. They were worn by stage-hands who were supposed to be ignored by the audience.

  • @vojinvmilojkovic7622
    @vojinvmilojkovic7622 5 лет назад

    Ninja Assassin was amazingly surprisingly fantastic watch
    great video Ros (like always tbh, always make me thing on topics you present)

  • @joebigs2064
    @joebigs2064 5 лет назад +3

    As a big fan of marshal arts I believe that mma is the blame for the fall of ninja and marshal arts movies

  • @ZeroneAngel
    @ZeroneAngel 7 лет назад +13

    Idea: Get Christopher Nolan and Chad Stahelski to co-direct a screenplay, wich is developed by Jim Uhls, from Eric Van Lustbaders 1980 novel "Ninja". And get the film to actually be set in the late 70's.

    • @roquesaturni2856
      @roquesaturni2856 7 лет назад

      ZeroneAngel beautiful!!!

    • @Chbond00765
      @Chbond00765 5 лет назад

      Eric Van Lustbaders book was good. I really enjoyed The Way of the Ninja Master series from Wade Barker. Those books would make for an excellent movie.

  • @jessliaudin1004
    @jessliaudin1004 7 лет назад

    Another great video, Thanks.

  • @pledgestone
    @pledgestone 5 лет назад +1

    I was a ninja fanatic back in the day. I became a life-long martial artist as a result.

  • @Luckylukeproduction
    @Luckylukeproduction 7 лет назад +8

    CAN YOU MAKE A MOVIE ON COMEDY COP MOVIES LIKE Rush Hour, Central Intelligence, Bad boys and lethal weapon????

  • @zerubbabelsbridge
    @zerubbabelsbridge 5 лет назад +3

    Studios kill ninja films. Sho Kasugi said the studio messed with his original script for Ninja Assissin. Ego maniacs in suits ruin everything.

  • @StudioArtFX
    @StudioArtFX 5 лет назад

    Funny that you mention Tenchu Stealth Assassin, one of my favorite games. A movie of *that* could do the job perfectly! I'm also glad you showed The Hunted. The final battle between Scott Adkins and Kane Kosugi is some of the best sword choreography I've ever seen. None of this cut every half second nonsense most modern films do, it has long takes where you can see the amazing skill on display.

  • @thunderbird66613
    @thunderbird66613 5 лет назад

    Great video. There was a time like over 30 years ago where every kid wanted to grow up and be a Ninja!!!

  • @ghosface353
    @ghosface353 7 лет назад +12

    You show a few clips of it, but you never really talk about it. The Hunted is really good, and really bloody. Love that film. John Lone is really good as the villian, and Yoshio Harada is really good as the good ninja that protects Christopher Lambert. Lambert also never become a white saviour, as he pretty much never does anything until the end, and that is not even much.
    It's a little bit like the film you want, where the ninja are an horrific force, but of course it also go more in depth into the villain and the evil ninja clan.
    It's directed by J.F. Lawton who wrote Under Siege and Pretty Woman (also he wrote Dead Or Alive, which show how low his career went, I guess we can blame it on him creating the terrible Pamela Anderson tv-show V.I.P).

    • @Rossatron
      @Rossatron  7 лет назад +1

      Olyphantastic I just don't really think The Hunted is a good film. I wanted to go into it more as it is a concept, just in my opinion poorly executed, but I didn't want the video to be over-long. This is why when I say "there have been attempts over the years", I show The Hunted.

    • @UnsatMarine
      @UnsatMarine 7 лет назад

      Wait a minute...so what's the problem again? What do you mean "go into it more as it is a concept"? Sure the story wasn't great. But I think the director still did a excellent job of presenting the ninja in a realistic and modern way.

    • @1979v
      @1979v 7 лет назад +3

      G.I JOE depiction of ninja was quite good with snake eyes

    • @DarrenJSeeley
      @DarrenJSeeley 7 лет назад +2

      While I do have a guilty pleasure in The Hunted as well-mostly due to the music score featuring Kodo- I confess that by the film's end I was always tempted to shout "There can be only one!"
      BTW, Harada wasn't a ninja. He was a modern day samurai, and even adressed as such. But that bullet train sequence was good, even if the Makato ninja clan bended their own rules when Lone's Kinjo wasn't around. Really. When Kinjo does his kills he waits until others leave so the target is isolated, uses deception to gain entry into places and so on. His minons commit actions which gives the ninjas more exposure to the public.
      I didn't hate The Hunted, I enjoyed it overall,but I can understand the criticisms of it as well.

  • @jwnj9716
    @jwnj9716 7 лет назад +3

    Ninja Terminator is a masterpiece, name me any other Ninja Master with a Garfield Phone.

  • @boodboodjiu
    @boodboodjiu 5 лет назад

    Hey dude, what a cool channel! As for ninja flicks, I can’t say I’m an expert but I would recommend an anime, Basilisk (2005). Though not a classic ninja film by any means and more akin to ninja with mutant powers, I think it’s worth looking into and see how you like it, if anime is your cup of tea.
    Anyway, really enjoying your vids and commentary, learning lots! Thanks!

  • @Umtree
    @Umtree 5 лет назад +1

    So glad I grew up with 80’s movies and toys.
    Ninja was such a common theme.

  • @neoluthuli3254
    @neoluthuli3254 7 лет назад +9

    Before I finish this vid...Let me say I know a great martial artist actor who is not getting much support and he has made two good Ninja films named respectively Ninja 1 and Ninja shadow of a tear. Shadow of a tear being the superior one of cause he is Scott Adkins

    • @Iggsy81
      @Iggsy81 7 лет назад +1

      his undisputed movies as boyka is his best work tho tbh

    • @AgeofMachines
      @AgeofMachines 5 лет назад

      Adkins has legit skills too.
      Glorious to watch on screen

  • @Necropheliac
    @Necropheliac 7 лет назад +3

    Hi Rossatron,
    I agree with mostly everything you mentioned. Quite a good video. I've actually been writing a comic book and action TV pilot, with this subject matter, and I've got one major point of content that you didn't touch on. As I've been writing my universe, I've been studying a lot of these films and shows you've been talking about, and one major problem I see, with all of it, is that the writing is really not giving us a compelling story or characters. Full stop. What I mean is, every film, every show, every book, every story, should have some basic substance to the story, regardless of the genre or themes. Most of these Ninja films or content have very thin stories and characters, which they use as a basis for seeding a lot of visually interesting action sequences. They're developing the story as an excuse to get a bunch of ninjas and fighting on screen, rather than just writing an interesting story with compelling characters and themes. Ninja Assassin is probably the most earnest attempt at developing story and character, but still the story is thin, cliche, and doesn't really make sense in a lot of respects -- and to my point, even though Ninja Assassin was the most earnest attempt at story, the Wachowskis essentially did exactly what I'm saying, when they made that film. In comparison to the Matrix, it's just a flimsy ham-fisted attempt at story. I suspect that, if a serious Ninja movie, had put in the same effort and care, in creating a story, of something like Kill Bill, or Batman begins, it would be lauded by fans simply because it is an interesting story. When we see there's more substance behind something, we intuitively respect it, no matter what genre. I'd love to collaborate with you on this comic book/TV series I'm writing and get your take on it. Message me on here or email me, if you'd like to: jesse.greathouse@gmail.com

    • @roquesaturni2856
      @roquesaturni2856 7 лет назад

      Jesse Greathouse well said. I'm also a writer and I agree with all you say. Doesn't matter the genre/style. A good history is a good history.
      V for vendetta for me is partially a ninja movie.

    • @Orosian5
      @Orosian5 6 лет назад

      I may be a little late for the inspiration, but I'd like to forward the TV pilot of 'The Last Ninja' (1983) for consideration. It is a favourite of mine, and was a great inspiration to me.

  • @superlive98
    @superlive98 4 года назад +1

    The depiction of ninjas as black-garbed super-assassins was a creation of Ian Fleming for the 007 novel YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE. Prior to that, the Japanese depiction of ninja was that of a lightly-armed peasant engaged in irregular warfare.

  • @maxpalombella11
    @maxpalombella11 7 лет назад

    TECNHU STEALTH ASSASSINS! Nice shout mate! I BLOODY love your channel!

  • @IceTeaGrenade
    @IceTeaGrenade 7 лет назад +9

    Does Kill Bill count?

    • @arbhall7572
      @arbhall7572 7 лет назад +5

      no, I wouldnt count them as ninja.

    • @dragonstone6594
      @dragonstone6594 5 лет назад +2

      You mean the Crazy 88 gang? They were Yakuza.

  • @TheKersey475
    @TheKersey475 7 лет назад +6

    Simple, the Ninjas all retreated into video games like Ninja Gaiden, Dead or Alive, etc.

    • @Rossatron
      @Rossatron  7 лет назад +2

      TheKersey475 had it been longer I would have loved to delve into Ninja games, but alas at 11 mins I felt best to keep it manageable. I used to love Tenchu, Ninga Gaiden and recently Revengeance and Mark of the Ninja. Perhaps for a future video.

    • @KnjazNazrath
      @KnjazNazrath 7 лет назад +1

      I was making Tenchu 2 levels whenmy friends were playing MGS2. Such a shame it only had one more good game after that before becoming tepid. Also, revengeance had the best boss fight I've had in any game, with possibly the only Metal Gear character cool enough to go by his real name.

    • @ilyasasilgaly2744
      @ilyasasilgaly2744 7 лет назад +6

      Don't forget the best one: Mark of the Ninja.

    • @JmanRising
      @JmanRising 7 лет назад +1

      Ninja gaiden and Tenchu are dead unfortunately though. And it doesn't look like MGR is getting a sequel anytime soon.

  • @nathanbender6640
    @nathanbender6640 7 лет назад

    Sounds as though you're already making this ultimate Ninja Film, Mr Rossatron :P

  • @75aces97
    @75aces97 4 года назад +1

    The ninja was a great action film archetype. The costume was instantly recognizable, so you could see one and figure out what he/she was about, and since the costume was simple and full body, you could easily put a stunt double in the suit.

  • @lordinquisitor6233
    @lordinquisitor6233 7 лет назад +6

    I think they are considered a bit of a joke in most media and also they never behave like actual ninjas :like being actually stealthy

    • @lordinquisitor6233
      @lordinquisitor6233 7 лет назад +1

      It's partially to do with political correctness and the fact movies try to get a PG rating to avoid concerned parents

    • @carlosvillicana2097
      @carlosvillicana2097 7 лет назад

      Thomas Wightman I don't think it really has much to do with either of those tbh.

    • @lordinquisitor6233
      @lordinquisitor6233 7 лет назад

      Carlos Villicana fair enough what do you think

    • @carlosvillicana2097
      @carlosvillicana2097 7 лет назад +3

      There is a trend of blockbusters aiming for PG/PG-13, but I'd say it has more to do with having as wide of an audience as possible (to get more $), then it does Hollywood actually caring for the concerns of parents.
      As for political correctness, I'm just not sure what you meant there. How does that affect the fact that there aren't any ninja movies? I don't think being "politically correct" has made studios abandon character types that may be seen as stereotypical (like the ninja) since we still get those.
      It's probably got more to do with, as the video said, the ninja not being taken seriously and marketed as either a joke or for kids. The fact that ninja films aren't making cash, like superheroes are today, means people won't want to fund ninja films. And that's not even counting if there are creative people actually trying to make serious ninja films, which there very well may not be due to a lack of exposure to them as anything other than a joke or children's property.

    • @lordinquisitor6233
      @lordinquisitor6233 7 лет назад

      Carlos Villicana good evaluation

  • @Denver_Risley
    @Denver_Risley 7 лет назад +8

    The costume makes for excellent fodder. The same five stuntmen can be an army of inept dolts. I have to question the hiring process all these super-villains use. Even in "Enter the Dragon" Han, who does not tolerate failure, surrounds himself with bumbling klutzes. It would be refreshing to see a villain in charge of truly competent killers.

  • @jtheman4678
    @jtheman4678 6 лет назад

    I had an idea of an ninja superhero movie when I was a kid lmao, but really good video

  • @linewalker
    @linewalker 3 года назад

    Thanks for another recommendation! I haven't seen Ninja Assassin since it was first released in theatres. Time to pay it another visit ☺

  • @ecayari
    @ecayari 5 лет назад +3

    What about Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow from GI Joe?

    • @joejitsu034
      @joejitsu034 5 лет назад +1

      They were the only thing I liked about that film. Great characters & cool rivalry.

  • @VideoDeadGaming
    @VideoDeadGaming 7 лет назад +20

    Black is a terrible colour to wear to be stealthy at night. Green or blue is better

    • @pvtrichter88
      @pvtrichter88 7 лет назад +7

      OH mother of SHIT!! I'M been doing this wrong all these years !! LOL

    • @VideoDeadGaming
      @VideoDeadGaming 7 лет назад +3

      Yep, sorry everyone can see you

    • @joejitsu034
      @joejitsu034 7 лет назад +10

      VideoDeadGaming I learned this the other day. Wearing dark blue makes you near invisible at night, even to most cctv. Black is too extreme & stands out.

    • @misterguy2329
      @misterguy2329 7 лет назад +3

      Yeah, black is for shock/threat value. Like ISIS, or SWAT teams. You're trying to intimidate people with black. You want to be invisible, wear a camo pattern or at least a color found in your chosen setting.

    • @goji3755
      @goji3755 7 лет назад +9

      I always wondered why everybody in the Underworld series wore black to try and blend in with the night when literally EVERYTHING AROUND THEM IS BLUE.

  • @Derpy1969
    @Derpy1969 5 лет назад +2

    Ninja in films have disappeared? How can you tell? Maybe they are exactly where they want to be?

  • @satanspy
    @satanspy 7 лет назад

    Hey Rossatron new subscriber here! id love to see you cover some of Walter Hills films,hes done some great work!

  • @robinhoodwasasocialist.1401
    @robinhoodwasasocialist.1401 7 лет назад +11

    The UFC killed the mystique of Flashy movie martial arts.

    • @scheldonfernandesdeoliveir3876
      @scheldonfernandesdeoliveir3876 7 лет назад

      You never see the crocop movie?

    • @ryklatortuga4146
      @ryklatortuga4146 7 лет назад +2

      A ninja won UFC 3 outright... back in the day

    • @Sazed0
      @Sazed0 7 лет назад +3

      Only for people who can't suspend their disbelief.
      You're watching movies wrong if you think they need to be realistic.

    • @robinhoodwasasocialist.1401
      @robinhoodwasasocialist.1401 7 лет назад +2

      I remember that. He wasn't wearing a ninja outfit and throwing around ninja stars though.

    • @utubeisCensorred
      @utubeisCensorred 7 лет назад +2

      That's not wholly accurate or properly stated. The UFC showed that the best Martial arts in a real fight are Mauy Thai, Wrestling, and BJJ. They just work the best in as close to a real fight as we have in the sport of MMA. You can't win a fight against professional fighters doing purely Akido or Kung Fu. And they certainly wouldn't work in a street fight either. However, their have been UFC champions who used Karate style point fighting. Fighters like Lyoto Machida, who was briefly a champ, utilized a heavily flavored Karate style. And there are other guys who copy his way of striking from a medium distance. But, again.. time and time again, wrestling and BJJ are great ways to counter flashy martial arts that require stances. And Kick Boxing is just brutal and works to a fault. However, a Ninja movie isn't about a straight up fight. It's about a ambush predator who uses swords, and weapons to kill and maim, so you could still make it work. I do agree that MMA has pulled the veil off of the mystique of traditional Martial arts especially Kung Fu, but film fighting is still hyper realistic and not accurate to a street fight/ or MMA fight. MMA fights for example can be quite boring because of the rules and styles and not something people would want to watch anyway. I get bored watching the UFC sometimes so.. that's why we have films.

  • @ithinkimaybelosingit
    @ithinkimaybelosingit 7 лет назад +5

    The only true ninja: Richard Harrison and his awesome 'tache.

    • @Strideo1
      @Strideo1 7 лет назад +1

      "Our silver ninja empire was destroyed by the purple ninjas many years ago. I am going to... challenge them."

    • @redcomet_622
      @redcomet_622 7 лет назад +2

      ithinkimaybelosingit but what about his Garfield phone

    • @ithinkimaybelosingit
      @ithinkimaybelosingit 7 лет назад +1

      It is the sign of a true Ninja. Only the most supreme Ninja has the Garfield phone.

    • @redcomet_622
      @redcomet_622 7 лет назад +1

      ithinkimaybelosingit that's how you defeat the evil ninja empire is just by picking up your Garfield phone

    • @tHeFloW
      @tHeFloW 7 лет назад +1

      You goon!

  • @arbhall7572
    @arbhall7572 7 лет назад

    I really love Ninja movies. You showed examples of some of the best. Anything Sho Kosugi is great, the Dudikov movies are guilty pleasure fun. But I have to be honest my fave treatment of the Ninja theme has got to be The Hunted. Yeah sometimes the Ninjas are way too easy to kill, but I liked the way the whole movie flowed and had pretty great action.
    Excellent video man, thank you.

  • @tacobellalugosi2527
    @tacobellalugosi2527 5 лет назад +1

    castle of owls ,is a legendary ninja film from the 60,s a huge must watch

  • @connerycaptain1387
    @connerycaptain1387 5 лет назад +3

    Since Caucasians turn Ninja, RIP

  • @Aladelicous
    @Aladelicous 7 лет назад

    Sort of a random thought. I saw you had a video on gunplay, knife-fights, sword & sandals, and hand to hand combat, but I don't think I've seen much of car chases featured in many of your videos, aside for maybe the Fast & Furious. Any thoughts on that particular mainstay of action movies?

  • @Brownstone2004
    @Brownstone2004 5 лет назад

    Enjoyed your video...😁👍🏿

  • @chocobros1
    @chocobros1 7 лет назад +3

    was Alien vs Ninja good? Haven't seen that yet

    • @KosmataBradva
      @KosmataBradva 7 лет назад

      Best one ever.

    • @REAL6
      @REAL6 6 лет назад +1

      Great B movie

    • @AvsJoe
      @AvsJoe 6 лет назад

      Forgettable. Not bad per se but not memorable in any way.

  • @darkservantofheaven
    @darkservantofheaven 7 лет назад +3

    I've said it before, I'll say it again...but Scott Adkins was and still is my personal choice for Bruce Wayne. He even looks like Bruce Wayne in the video Game Arkham Origins.

  • @johnhill5855
    @johnhill5855 5 лет назад +1

    Make Eric van Lustbader books turned to film, Black Heart, the Miko, and then the Ninja Trilogy...

  • @blindsey8234
    @blindsey8234 5 лет назад +2

    Ninja Scroll is streamable on Hulu. The only anime movie I've made it through. Not for the youngsters though.

    • @whathell6t
      @whathell6t 5 лет назад

      B Lindsey You should watch the Dagger of Kamui, another ninja anime. It’s good. You’ll be surprised how it escalated from the Jidal Genki setting to American Western setting.

    • @blindsey8234
      @blindsey8234 5 лет назад

      @@whathell6t I'll give it a shot! Thanks!

  • @marvellousm
    @marvellousm 7 лет назад +2

    A recent disappointment for me was Ninja Apocalypse that had a promising cast but it was a very cheaply made knockoff of The Warriors. One that I really enjoy is the Hong Kong film Ninja in the Dragon's Den which does a fantastic job combining Ninja action with kung fu.
    I think one of the ways that ninja were really devalued in movies was because it became an easy way to disguise that you're using the same stunt people over and over. It probably seemed like a budget-friendly smart move at the time but it definitely made the Ninja look like a bunch of geeks lining up to be killed.
    I also wouldn't be surprised if another reason we don't see many movies with Ninja as heroes is because they don't want to cover up the face of their star. Even though Scott Adkins isn't known that well outside of action fandom he's still enough of a name to headline a b-feature. It's probably a very outdated idea that you MUST show the hero's face in order to connect with them but I would also reckon it is definitely a mindset many filmmakers still operate under.
    I love your idea of Ninja as a horror antagonist, I would be all about seeing a Ninja be that badass, menacing and dangerous.
    Also, don't forget Miami Connection!

  • @NicdeGroot
    @NicdeGroot 7 лет назад +1

    Red Shadow, though not dark, is a great homage to classic Ninja films. Samurai Fiction, its precursor, is one of my favorite samurai films and has memorable ninja moments. Azumi is one of the finest ninja period ninja films and also packs a punch.

    • @BayushiGemma
      @BayushiGemma Год назад +1

      As a Ninja fan I too did find Red Shadow very enjoyable.

  • @osamabad3597
    @osamabad3597 5 лет назад +2

    Martial arts films in general disappeared. We have MMA to thank for that. Once people saw how real fighting looked, it all started to look fake

  • @RogerBaconGaming
    @RogerBaconGaming 7 лет назад

    That "pretty violent video game" you cut to is one of the technically best action games of its genre and is a masterpiece in its design of game mechanics.

  • @RenaldMusic
    @RenaldMusic 4 года назад +1

    I'm looking for a ninja movie where the person is walking in some type of desert or mountains then get inside a cave, moves a rock under which he finds a white ninja "suit" glowing, then he wears it and then ...action movie with ninjas. It's old, 80's or early 90's. If somebody knows the movie I'd be grateful to know.

  • @nicolasboissiere
    @nicolasboissiere 7 лет назад

    Great vide... WAIT WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT YOU MAKING AN ACTION FILM?!

  • @j.ericsandoval566
    @j.ericsandoval566 5 лет назад

    Nice job. I was wondering the same thing myself.

  • @Dutchman451
    @Dutchman451 7 лет назад

    I feel like John Wick 1 and 2 were the most memorable assassin/hitman movies to come out recently. He's no ninja, but to see him plan for and execute a full-on raid on a Russian club, or an Italian club hidden within some catacombs, or to see him walk across a city being hunted by other hitman only to fend all of them off in spectacular, highly-trained, bad ass fashion was amazingly entertaining

    • @Dutchman451
      @Dutchman451 7 лет назад

      We definitely need a good ninja movie

  • @zomfgroflmao1337
    @zomfgroflmao1337 5 лет назад +1

    If anyone is still (2 years later) interested in the dark and deadly ninja type, the 2009 manga Shinobi no Kuni oozes style and follows the deadliest ninja during the Japanese ninja wars.