Is the 2020 Subaru Legacy Sport the PERFECT midsize AWD sedan?

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  • Опубликовано: 1 ноя 2024

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  • @HaHaCow1
    @HaHaCow1 3 года назад +6

    I purchased a 2020 Legacy Sport in July this year after watching your review and a test drive at my local dealer. Thank you for the video! I’m in love with my legacy.

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  3 года назад +1

      That is so wonderful Tyler! Congrats on your new Subaru!

    • @Game-Breaker97
      @Game-Breaker97 3 года назад +2

      I just bought one two month ago! I love it!

  • @1Nathanc
    @1Nathanc 4 года назад +20

    Beautiful sedan. Amazing one at that price point. Not to mention the reliability of Subaru, the interior is very nice.

    • @alwayscrispy666
      @alwayscrispy666 3 года назад

      My 18 legacy is trash. I made a mistake lol

  • @silentrefusal9911
    @silentrefusal9911 4 года назад +20

    Damn those black wheels look really dope with this car's color. 👌

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад +1

      I am so glad that you liked this one!

  • @justgreg2690
    @justgreg2690 3 года назад +2

    I have a 2017 Legacy sport. Great ride and very dependable. It’s my first Subaru and I love this ride .

  • @tonypham4961
    @tonypham4961 4 года назад +52

    *Her:* What are you looking for in a relationship?
    *Me:* 15:44 - 15:47
    (Just enough kush, but also enough support)

  • @richroj
    @richroj 4 года назад +5

    hey joe i love when you zonk something. it reminds me of the classic lets make a deal game show!

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад +1

      Thanks Rich! I really loved that show as a kid and still do today!

  • @wvusmc
    @wvusmc 4 года назад +25

    The XT should have the aesthetics of this trim. The slower car looks sporty while the turbo powered car looks more appealing for grandma. It's baffling how Subaru got this backwards.

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад +3

      I totally agree with you!

    • @mikael4126
      @mikael4126 4 года назад

      @@antonroux6737 I agree, but I think it is the thick spokes of the rims that are offsetting the color.

    • @DJM626
      @DJM626 3 года назад

      This is what makes it interesting. The car doesn't draw any attention exterior wise, but when you take off, it's a different story. It's an eye opener for sure

  • @ragweedmakesmesneeze
    @ragweedmakesmesneeze 4 года назад +1

    (Every time I hear the intro music, I'm sort of half convinced the Terminator is going to show up to review cars.) I actually like the exhaust ports/vents. Kind of a cool look, different. I will say, having driven an eye-sight equipped Forester recently in heavy winter conditions, if the windshield starts to ice over with heavy snow/rain/slush, then eye-sight gets disabled--for obvious reasons. That said, if you are driving in those conditions, it's up to you to drive safely and carefully, instead of relying only on technology. Keep up the good content, thanks!

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад

      That is so awesome of you to say! I really appreciate your great points! Thanks for the compliment!

  • @rexonmontefalcon
    @rexonmontefalcon 4 года назад +4

    I stopped the minute I realized it wasn't a V-6 or a turbo. Aside from that, it looks aesthetically pleasing. Great job, Subaru! And yes, we need the exhaust!

    • @TheSuburban15
      @TheSuburban15 4 года назад +1

      Subaru doesn't do V engines

    • @rexonmontefalcon
      @rexonmontefalcon 4 года назад +1

      @@TheSuburban15 you got me there! Forgot about their iconic boxers. 🥊🤙

  • @brooklynknightss
    @brooklynknightss 4 года назад +4

    Hey Joe Chevy Finally Updated the interior on the 2021 all-new Suburban ....it only took 50 years

  • @BanBiofuels
    @BanBiofuels 4 года назад +6

    I like it because it does not have grill cancer like the Accord, the Camry, and the Altima.

  • @LukeO-1234
    @LukeO-1234 4 года назад +23

    I wish I could get the sport with the turbo

    • @TheSuburban15
      @TheSuburban15 4 года назад +2

      I wish I could get the Impreza Sport with the 2.5L

    • @NebulaLuna
      @NebulaLuna 4 года назад +1

      @@TheSuburban15 That would be ideal, the 2.0L just feels too anemic!

    • @alwayscrispy666
      @alwayscrispy666 3 года назад +1

      Cars are dumb nowadays tbh. All about cosmetics. 40k for an accord nowadays? Wtf happened? Lmao

    • @Eeee-z8y
      @Eeee-z8y 2 месяца назад

      Inflation. ​@@alwayscrispy666

  • @michaelace6947
    @michaelace6947 3 года назад

    Well, I think that you convinced me. I presently have a 2018 Forester XT. Driving Uber, I think I would like the Legacy Sport for the MPG.

  • @karlkings5258
    @karlkings5258 4 года назад +1

    Hey Joe. 🖐🏻. Nice all black 🤩but. Couple things like rear a/c , 20' wheels, leather seats, leather doors panels...
    And 2.5 turbo charger. That is the only things that car needs. 💣💣

    • @Hallowsaw
      @Hallowsaw 4 года назад +2

      20 in wheels are a waist of money. They make your car slower, tires are way more expensive, firmer ride, handles worse. Vanity is not worth all those negatives

    • @mossmiller
      @mossmiller 4 года назад

      @@Hallowsaw Not only that, but there are more potholes this winter in NY than I have seen in years. You cannot always spot them at night. With 19" or 20" wheels, a direct hit can cost $$$.

  • @ericksalasjr.8552
    @ericksalasjr.8552 4 года назад +1

    Just found this video after looking at your Nissan Altima review.... 🤔 this might be a better option. Again thank you for your reviews

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад

      Thanks Erick for your great support!

  • @isabella8885
    @isabella8885 4 года назад +1

    Very sleek exterior if you can get a blackout Subaru logo would be perfect and the exhaust like Joe said. Interior nice too 👌🏼

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад +1

      Thanks for letting me share this one with you!

  • @dreww47
    @dreww47 4 года назад +3

    Quad exhaust would be insane ! Really top it off also needs turbo

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад

      I totally agree with you Drew!

  • @jbshp2011
    @jbshp2011 4 года назад

    and yes this car does need dual exhaust in the back but what it really needs joe is that new turbo for this sport model

  • @LS1007
    @LS1007 4 года назад +1

    Looks stealthy in black. Black quad exhaust would look good. Needs the turbo for being a sport. CVT?☹️ Nice job Joe! 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸

  • @thomasmacgruber6701
    @thomasmacgruber6701 4 года назад +6

    Suburu, put a turbo on it with a manual/8 speed auto option, you wont be able to make enough of them.

    • @BryonLape
      @BryonLape 4 года назад

      I have this car and I agree.

  • @jbshp2011
    @jbshp2011 4 года назад

    Hey joe..can you a review on the 2020 volkswagen passat RLine please. nice reviews as always dude

  • @matthewgaines10
    @matthewgaines10 4 года назад +6

    As with your previous Subaru video, my 'perfect' midsize AWD sedan doesn't have a CVT.

  • @somananpom
    @somananpom 3 года назад

    Hey great review. I just realized that you changed the cars while driving. The first part of the driving was probably with a limited or touring?!!

  • @greggelato
    @greggelato 4 года назад +2

    Anyone else notice at 17:18 the model of the Legacy changed, there is no DriverFocus Distraction Mitigation System. ;)

  • @raytrotter3868
    @raytrotter3868 4 года назад

    That is a sweet car!! Love the touch screen!!

  • @jcfan1979
    @jcfan1979 3 года назад

    Legacy Sport needs the option of the 2.4 Turbo. Doesn't have to be standard but definitely an option.

  • @MidwestDankAlumni
    @MidwestDankAlumni 4 года назад +1

    This is also the 1st legacy sport since 94, when they had the legacy ss (sport sedan)

    • @MidwestDankAlumni
      @MidwestDankAlumni 4 года назад

      @J Packard Joe said new for 2020, my bad.
      Still not turbo like the ss was

  • @cristhosanchez-ponce4007
    @cristhosanchez-ponce4007 4 года назад +2

    Awesome video!!

  • @Ultratron100
    @Ultratron100 4 года назад +1

    Wish you could've been at the Burb/Tahoe reveal Tuesday night. An after show Raiti review, especially the Z71, would have been awesome.

  • @ThisIsAdagio
    @ThisIsAdagio 4 года назад

    I like the black on black on black with this sport legacy model!

  • @flazada
    @flazada 3 года назад

    It's just a sexy ass car. I just got a 2015 in tungsten. Between this and the forester sport trim.....ugggg *chefs kiss*

  • @SilverScarletSpider
    @SilverScarletSpider 4 года назад +1

    The idea that the Subaru Legacy ‘Sport’ trim has 182hp and a CVT is a bit ridiculous. I understand that the XT trim exists for those that want the stronger 260hp turbocharged engine with their CVT but this car’s MSRP price then jumps to $34,000 from the $22,000 start price.

  • @mattmcgriff5952
    @mattmcgriff5952 3 года назад

    Time of death- 5:29. Late to the game but shopping for sports sedan. Hoping for a grown up WRX “lite”. Appearance package? No thanks. Mazda 6 Carbon edition still at the top of my list.

  • @defazpr
    @defazpr 4 года назад +1

    Joe, I commented on your Legacy XT Touring review, which was excellent! I like your suggestion here that this might be the "sweet spot" for price and features. I don't need the turbo and I kinda like the Sport touches (I don't know about those black wheels). In your view, do you feel like a big compromise in terms of the comfort and interior appointments vs the limited trim level?

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад +1

      Hi Tony! Thanks for reaching out and for watching! I would say you are still getting the comfort.

  • @Cerby1979
    @Cerby1979 4 года назад

    The Legacy Sport looks good for 2020 and not bad for the price but would’ve liked to see Subaru add the 2.4 turbo as an option. Would cost more but will make the Sport much better for the namesake.

  • @thegrumpytucsonian1591
    @thegrumpytucsonian1591 4 года назад +2

    Interior roof is beige? ZONK!
    No hood struts? ZONK!
    Love my '15 though.

  • @arnoldbuckner6351
    @arnoldbuckner6351 4 года назад +9

    That vehicle has a GD RUBBER BAND TRANSMISSION CALLED A “CVT”

    • @MidwestDankAlumni
      @MidwestDankAlumni 4 года назад

      Don't use GD to referr to any Subaru except the 02-07 impreza.
      Just say GOD DAMMED asshole.

    • @MidwestDankAlumni
      @MidwestDankAlumni 4 года назад

      You piece of shit.

    • @MidwestDankAlumni
      @MidwestDankAlumni 4 года назад

      Btw, fuck a cvt

    • @MidwestDankAlumni
      @MidwestDankAlumni 4 года назад

      @J Packard no.
      Bring back a REAL auto or a dsg/dct

    • @MidwestDankAlumni
      @MidwestDankAlumni 4 года назад

      @J Packard I wanna put 06ish LGT running gear in my gc8.
      They have 5speed autos not 4speed

  • @cliffpeterson8430
    @cliffpeterson8430 4 года назад +11

    Underpowered for a so called Sport sedan and a CVT zonks it. Looks good though .

    • @TheSuburban15
      @TheSuburban15 4 года назад

      Ditto for the Impreza Sport. Subaru, please, MO' POWAH BABEH!

    • @salzerilli4789
      @salzerilli4789 3 года назад

      The Subaru CVT is fine. All the whining and honestly it's better than some old automatic transmissions due to the simulated shifts. Also you can turn off traction control and the car drives less stiff and turn it back on when there's bad weather.

  • @t-lawsfitness6044
    @t-lawsfitness6044 4 года назад

    Always give you a thumbs up without watching it first because it's always quality

  • @philipzwick
    @philipzwick 4 года назад

    All you reviewers want the juice of a turbo but for what? Acceleration at a light that is not needed by most drivers of this type of car? I now have over 2000 miles on my new 2020 Forester Touring, mostly back, forth, and around my vacation home in the Catskill Mountains of New York, and I can verify that it gets up to speed from the light quickly and passes cars on the two lane roads effortlessly - and smoothly. What I am saying is that this engine/CVT combo yields an excellent driving experience at low and highway speeds.

  • @cay_caydenvo2794
    @cay_caydenvo2794 2 года назад

    Why does the base model not have a button to open the trunk in the trunk itself. You have to use the fob or hit the button from inside the vehicle?

  • @etorres
    @etorres 3 года назад

    I bought a new legacy and after just one month the windshield cracked while parked in my backyard. Apparently subaru has been having windshield problems for years!

  • @seanqueryinmont5745
    @seanqueryinmont5745 2 года назад

    I'd love to see Subaru offer a hybrid version with the xt engine

  • @MoistChungus
    @MoistChungus 4 года назад

    That exhaust is a crime. 10 zonks

  • @emmanuelbob163
    @emmanuelbob163 4 года назад +4

    "Where's my Exhaust?"😂

  • @lamourlalo
    @lamourlalo 4 года назад

    Hey Joe . I noticed the car from the start is not the same one in the dirving test . What's the difference

  • @Itchintogodeerhuntin
    @Itchintogodeerhuntin 4 года назад +4

    The wife was cracking up when you said keep your enemies safe also she almost wet her pants🤣😂JK

  • @travispowers1704
    @travispowers1704 4 года назад

    yea.....bleh...is about the nicest I would say on this. I know, I know, many people perceive this as sporty, but I don't see it. It looks cheap to me. I did really like your review of the Limited though. That was a nice Legacy. This, not so much. If I was in the market for a Legacy right now, I would easily choose the limited over this. $2800 increase for the Limited from the sport gives a much more nice looking and what looks to be more comfortable vehicle. IF I wanted a balance of the features and keep the price down, Legacy Premium to me seems like a good deal.

  • @tellysavalas6403
    @tellysavalas6403 4 года назад +1

    Very safe design, and it won’t stand out. Kinda looks like an 09 Acura TSX.

  • @TheCldmstrsn
    @TheCldmstrsn 2 года назад

    So weird they dont have that sport sharp/intelligent for the turbo models. Very backwards to me

  • @neil9658
    @neil9658 4 года назад

    Legacy, Camry or Passat? How would you rank them from best to worst?

  • @Macc504
    @Macc504 2 года назад

    Currently looking to buy this car

  • @ParasiteQueen1
    @ParasiteQueen1 4 года назад +1

    The stealth legacy! Love it.

  • @NeoTechOps
    @NeoTechOps 4 года назад +3

    I can't help but think Tesla model S when I see this things rear quarter.lol

  • @richroj
    @richroj 4 года назад +3

    hey joe i love subarus. i have 2 of them

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад

      Hi Rich! That is really awesome! I will keep bringing them to you!

  • @squidproquo2241
    @squidproquo2241 4 года назад

    These black wheels, unlike the regular ones, are not one pattern fits all ones

  • @lovelyxlinglingx
    @lovelyxlinglingx 3 года назад

    Is it small on the inside? I'm looking into getting a new car and I love sedans I just don't like elbow to elbow type of sedans.

    • @DJM626
      @DJM626 3 года назад

      The car is everything but small. It's one of the bigger sedans out there, I think. No complaints

  • @region0706
    @region0706 4 года назад

    gauges in 5th gen legacy much better, here they are like downgraded. So will it accelerate faster in manual shift mode ?

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад

      Thanks for sharing your input and perspective! I really appreciate you watching!

  • @makaylasabby8625
    @makaylasabby8625 3 года назад +1

    I have this car but in red what is exhaust pipes gonna do if you put them on the back because I want my stuff to be louder and faster

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  3 года назад

      Good idea!

    • @njlake718
      @njlake718 3 года назад

      How do you like I’m looking to get a new car thinking sticking with the legacy or get a tlx

  • @ad7543
    @ad7543 4 года назад +3

    Actually considering this over the accord and Camry just because everyone doesn’t have it. Loo

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад

      I can totally understand that!

  • @TheGamingJuicy
    @TheGamingJuicy 4 года назад

    Why get a high spec legacy when you can get a base WRX for the same price?

  • @osgabriel20
    @osgabriel20 4 года назад

    I want quattro exhausts and great sounds

  • @ElcompaJasonn
    @ElcompaJasonn 4 года назад

    You drove different cars i noticed the driver focus feature disappear

  • @josel1325
    @josel1325 4 года назад

    I love my 2019 legacy !

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад

      I am so glad that you are happy!

  • @Mrboz1212
    @Mrboz1212 4 года назад

    Will a wrx transmission swap be possible. I just want all the features of this in a family sedan where I can still have my gear cruising fun and my family has there comfort. Why Subaru why?

    • @wvusmc
      @wvusmc 4 года назад

      Yeah, I don't get it. Subaru was doing it right with the Legacy GT. All the go without the bro.

  • @MatrixDiscovery
    @MatrixDiscovery 4 года назад

    That is amazing MPG !

  • @suazzz3070
    @suazzz3070 4 года назад

    All show and no go

  • @johnjareo1047
    @johnjareo1047 4 года назад

    Is it possible to disable the cruise sensor?

  • @joycechenette7640
    @joycechenette7640 2 года назад

    Is the 2020 model the same for 2021

  • @lifedotcom8434
    @lifedotcom8434 4 года назад

    Dope looking car! Ask Scotty what he thinks about Subaru’s tho 😬

    • @HOTPLATEGAMING
      @HOTPLATEGAMING 4 года назад

      Life DotCom
      Scotty doesnt know, Scotty doesnt know.

    • @1967friend
      @1967friend 4 года назад

      Scotty is an idiot.

  • @osgabriel20
    @osgabriel20 4 года назад +1

    They should turbo charged the 3.6 L engine and see the great potential it holds

    • @Hallowsaw
      @Hallowsaw 4 года назад

      Hope you have seen supergramps from mighty car mods. It uses the 3.6L engine in an older legacy. They have nodded the heck out of it and the one guy uses it as his daily driver

    • @aireone3465
      @aireone3465 4 года назад

      @@Hallowsaw It uses the 3L flat six. the old Subaru Legacys blow the new ones out of the water. Not sure why Subaru to turn the Legacy into a large sized FWD family car competitor.

    • @Hallowsaw
      @Hallowsaw 4 года назад

      @@aireone3465 sorry bud, it uses the ez36d engine and it is turbocharged.

    • @Hallowsaw
      @Hallowsaw 4 года назад

      @@aireone3465 mightycarmods.com/blogs/news/46021572-dissecting-supergramps

  • @EllysaE
    @EllysaE 4 года назад

    How is cabin noise? I’m thinking of trading my Impreza for one of these ...

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад +1

      It actually wasn't too bad. I think you will like it!

  • @philgood3438
    @philgood3438 3 года назад

    My next vehicle....

  • @ft9kop
    @ft9kop 4 года назад

    I wish we can get this with dual exhaust

  • @richki.24
    @richki.24 4 года назад +1

    Nice looking 4-door car ..

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад

      Thanks for letting me share it with you!

  • @newyorkgooner1563
    @newyorkgooner1563 4 года назад

    After reading the comments I didn't know how popular sick shifts are until now

  • @randyencarnacion1782
    @randyencarnacion1782 4 года назад

    I think that it doesn’t deserve the sport badge, it isn’t sporty enough exterior wise, Subaru needs to do better.

    • @kingfarticusreturns6371
      @kingfarticusreturns6371 4 года назад

      Subarus are so boring they should come with a warning that says "diabetics, don't drive this!"

  • @WaleedZanbagi
    @WaleedZanbagi 4 года назад

    Can please make video about base trim...

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад +1

      I will put that together for you!

  • @clintsturts1179
    @clintsturts1179 4 года назад

    Is the turbo an option?

  • @cambeezy6126
    @cambeezy6126 2 года назад

    R they reliable ?

  • @suazzz3070
    @suazzz3070 4 года назад

    Why you never do Cadillac especially the sport models?

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад

      Stay tuned because they are coming!

  • @wadedungan3172
    @wadedungan3172 4 года назад

    Asking any owners past and present, do you think that engine and the HP that comes with it is enough?

    • @serenityinsilence
      @serenityinsilence 2 года назад +1

      I own an Outback with the 2.5L, which I picked for the fuel mileage. Overall power is good, but not great. It feels like a chore to pass on the highway. I’d suggest getting the turbo model for the passing power alone.

    • @wadedungan3172
      @wadedungan3172 2 года назад

      @@serenityinsilence Definitely what I was expecting yea! Fun to drive but not gonna get ya in trouble haha, thanks for the reply!

  • @davidung4504
    @davidung4504 3 года назад

    He said where the exhaust tips? Just for that you get a zonk and give me dual tips 😂

  • @westcoast708
    @westcoast708 4 года назад +1

    Hey RR how about a review on the 2020 accura mdx ?

  • @MidwestDankAlumni
    @MidwestDankAlumni 4 года назад

    13:33
    Joe passes an outback wagon

  • @WaleedZanbagi
    @WaleedZanbagi 4 года назад

    This should be MT with turbo at least to be called (sports)

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад

      Thanks for sharing your input on this one!

  • @LeadfootLou
    @LeadfootLou 4 года назад

    The vehicle is blacked out but yet you have blue Suburu symbols in the front and back of this vehicle.

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад +1

      It would of been cool if they produced a special emblem.

    • @LeadfootLou
      @LeadfootLou 4 года назад

      Raiti's Rides - amen 🙏🏻 brother 😀

  • @tacocruiser4238
    @tacocruiser4238 4 года назад

    Skip the awd Legacy and get the Sonata with snow tires (if necessary).

  • @richardwilliams3839
    @richardwilliams3839 4 года назад

    It don't look too bad no lie

  • @GamerDadschannel
    @GamerDadschannel 4 года назад +8

    As soon as i heard cvt i lost interest

  • @m81zenon_yt96
    @m81zenon_yt96 4 года назад +1

    You are like doug demouro

  • @Jarabynym
    @Jarabynym 4 года назад

    Is dodge doing a redesign to the charger in 2021 because it really needs one

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад

      No word yet. It has been a long time coming.

  • @Day7Reset
    @Day7Reset 4 года назад +6

    This car is in competition to be more boring than the Passat 🤔

    • @brendanfogel4573
      @brendanfogel4573 4 года назад +2

      Wiggle Rock it’s nicer though in my opinion

  • @richardwilliams3839
    @richardwilliams3839 4 года назад

    Sonata can't compare all cars are in a class of there own but i don't really like the Hyundai the 2020 sonata yowwwww it is sick

    • @fakedazzleful
      @fakedazzleful 4 года назад

      I'm confused on what you trying to say. You dont like Hyundai the 2020 sonata vowwww it is sick?

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  4 года назад

      Thanks for sharing your input on this one!

  • @enteriprse33
    @enteriprse33 Год назад

    Nemesis ACCLMETOR

  • @streetkiazNewMexico
    @streetkiazNewMexico 4 года назад +2

    Ill take the sonata or optima. Waaay better design, interior, technology.

    • @redwinger40
      @redwinger40 4 года назад

      Also less resale value, and personally I question long term reliability on the sonata

    • @streetkiazNewMexico
      @streetkiazNewMexico 4 года назад

      @@redwinger40 dont question it. Reliability is there bud.

    • @truckercowboyed2638
      @truckercowboyed2638 Год назад

      Yet neither has standard AWD....

  • @tinhinnh
    @tinhinnh 4 года назад

    doesnt look too diff from the outgoing model

    • @thomasmacgruber6701
      @thomasmacgruber6701 4 года назад

      Its bigger, or at least it feels like it. Just looked at one, I'm big and it had plenty of room. 6 foot 1 290 lbs.

  • @erichue61
    @erichue61 4 года назад

    8 seconds to 60 is slow no matter how you cut it. they should put a V6 in this one

  • @edwardvalivonis23
    @edwardvalivonis23 4 года назад

    Looks like unmarked police car

  • @MidwestDankAlumni
    @MidwestDankAlumni 4 года назад +1

    Wait, you don't like all the cloth?
    Alcantara i.e. suede is a cloth.
    Carbon fiber is a cloth.
    Come on Joe lol