Fighters: The Psi Warrior
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My analysis of the Tasha's fighter optional class features is here:
• Fighters in Tasha's Ca...
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:05 The Psi Warrior
1:55 Psionic Power (3rd)
3:05 Protective Field (3rd)
3:53 Psionic Strike (3rd)
4:39 Telekinetic Movement (3rd)
6:44 Psi Powered Leap (7th)
7:34 Telekinetic Thrust (7th)
8:40 Guarded Mind (10th)
9:42 Bulwark of Force (15th)
10:33 Telekinetic Master (18th)
12:00 Conclusions
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6:00 "Presumably you can move yourself with this as well." This is an error, you cannot move yourself with Telekinetic movement.
My guess is he confused it with the telekinetic feat, wich is more ambiguous about moving yourself.
Technically (or just if you have a cool DM), you could telekinetically move something you're standing on (ride a shield like Legolas? Hell yeah)
A 3 level investment in Artificer is a little awkward, but have you considered it means you could build a lightsaber?
A "large object" can be... really heavy. It's any object that fits within a 10x10x10ft cube which could be a cube of solid stone which is 80 Metric tonnes (175'000lbs) raised 30m up and dropped would deal colossal damage.
I've done this before, fun af
This subclass really needed some kind of always on 3rd level ability. A low level Psi Warrior can easily burn through all of their Psi-Die and be left running on fumes the rest of the day. Sure you can get back one die per short rest but that’s a bandaid, not a cure. If you’re going into combat with a single Psi-Die you get to be special once before turning into a Fighter without a Subclass.
the gith jedi sublass
Or Sith Yanki, if that floats your boat
@@HiopX
They both sound cute.
I like this subclass more than Treantmonk does. I know it's MAD, but I think the abilities are worth the MADness.
at which level?
I think the best way to build it early on is go 17 16 16 8 8 8. Using the half elf. Take the crusher feat with your first ASI. Your Dex wisdom and charisma will suck but you optimise the effectiveness of your abilities and remain tanky.
Once you get to level 7 flight compensates for your lack of stealth (I'd argue it gives you advantage your feat don't touch the ground so half of your lack of stealth will be fixed). Level 10 fixes the lack of charisma and wisdom because you can auto end conditions.
Crusher gives you another forced movement option and you can cause an enemy to take fall damage once per turn and then get advantage with the rest of your attacks.
Telekinesis is just really useful out of combat and inside you get an extra attack which makes it more effective than using a psionic strike although that could allow you to get advantage on every attack by making them prone.
It's not too MAD since it's on a Fighter, a class that can have 20/20/20/10/8 stats if you take every ASI
It's not any more MAD than Eldritch Knight. Plus if you use the Sun Blade (aka D&D Lightsaber) you can use dex for your attack stat, dump strength and still have a longsword. Making it just as MAD as any other fighter.
I just wish the abilities scaled off con instead of int. Think about all the times psychic peoples noses bleed and tell me its not con based.
If psi warrior didn't use INT, this would probably be my favourite fighter subclass. It can just do so many interesting things. Especially in combination with action surge, you can really stretch some of these abilities for admittedly niche uses. (Move something over a 60ft chasm. Double dash for 180ft of flying movement)
One thing of note about the telekinetic master feature is that you get the bonus action attack as long as you are concentrating on it. You don't have to use the telekinesis spell as your action on subsequent turns to benefit of the bonus action attack.
So even if you're not keen on using it as a spell. You can use it before combat to attack 5 times every turn without drawback for 10 minutes.
Time to bugger your DM for a headband of intellect.
@@sharkforce8147 Depends on what the DM is into.
Getting an AUGMENTED (no components, 1 free use, no spell-slots) 5th level spell at level 18... AS A FIGHTER.
I am kinda surprised, I expected you to be a little higher on this sub-class. I am playing one now, and I absolutely love it. I am playing a high elf, and grabbed the Fey Touched feat for Hunter's Mark and I bounce between long bow and shield with rapier. After 8th level I am going to dip into Wizard for Blade Singer, and with the new abundance of half feats I am able to boost my Int score, and grab some useful crowd control and utility spells, which is nice because I can save a lot of my spell slots for casting shield once I need to keep that off hand free. We have a Barbarian in the party and I find the Psy Shield pairs nicely with the Barbarian's damage resistance. I agree that you have to play a little lean with the ability scores, but there are some clever work-arounds that put it near the Battle Master in terms of output. I love your content, Chris. Keep up the awesome work!
If you're building for a campaign starting at 8+, I've noticed that the Battle Smith 3 / Psi Warrior X build has some interesting synergies beyond the main draw (INT-based attacks). I built a great weapon master, so these benefits might not fit every kind of build.
1. Battle Smith gets the Shield spell while Artificer gets Absorb Elements, both of which are great for a martial to have access to.
2. The Mind Sharpener infusion lets you infuse robes; the main benefit likely won't anything amazing for you, but you can use the infused robes for the Material component of Artificer spell-casting as per "Tools Required". Martials won't want to waste a hand on holding tools, and this infusion lets you get around that.
3. The Returning Weapon infusion (or Repeating Shot, but that requires attunement) gives a GWM fighter a way to use extra attack with a thrown weapon (or hand crossbow, if repeating shot). This is great to have for a Psi Warrior in particular, because you can use Psionic Strike up to 30 feet away on a weapon attack (extra chances to land a hit to proc).
4. Faerie Fire is on the Artificer spell list, which is a spell that you'll love to have up as a GWM. Now you can cast it yourself, and free up the main caster's concentration for something else. Using an action surge to get faerie fire going and attack on the beginning turn of a combat would be a great opening salvo, and you'll have Mind Sharpener and CON save proficiency to ensure you never drop concentration.
5. You won't get this feature until level 10 with this build, but PSI-Powered Leap will be a lot more viable to use given you'll have access to Feather Fall with your Artificer dip.
6. Steel Defender will scale his offence with your proficiency bonus, so he'll always be able to do good damage. His HP will unfortunately always be low, and you might have better things to do with your bonus action at some point. But, even just having him next to you constantly taking the dodge action, granting disadvantage with its reaction or taking an attack roll for you, will still be a welcome addition even if he never survives a combat.
Something to take into account is that by 18th level you have 12 psionic dice for long rest, so you could cast Telekinesis 13 times which probably is a Telekinesis in every combat encounter. Sound pretty strong for me, far stronger than other fighter's features.
One thing to remember about half cover is that it ALSO gives you +2 to Dex saves, not just the AC boost.
wanted to remind that bullwark of force gives half cover, so it does not only +2 to AC, but also to all dex saves
I'm a bit late to the party here, but well done! A few thoughts:
I would hazard a strong guess that the art is supposed to represent Bulwark of Force rather than Protective Field. That would explain both the arrows (cover is generally more associated with ranged attacks despite also affecting melee), as well as the multiple attacks being stopped (since the cover lasts 1 minute instead of just reducing one instance of damage).
As others have mentioned, the Tiny object clause in Telekinetic Movement is 100% designed for recreating that moment of Luke retrieving his lightsaber in the wampa cave, or other "retrieve dropped weapon/macguffin at range" moments. In a lot of cases, _mage hand_ could do the same without much issue, but this effect being faster and more direct can be useful in some situations. That specific piece of the ability is very situational, but it's absolutely badass in the not altogether rare case that it's exactly what you need.
While I agree that on paper a 5th level spell at level 18 seems underwhelming, I think you sell _telekinesis_ specifically a bit short. It's an excellent battlefield control spell that allows you to really screw with opponents, since as long as you maintain concentration you have pretty much unrestricted license to hurl enemy after enemy towards the nearest area control spell or environmental hazard for a full 10 minutes. And that's not even getting into moving objects with it, which with an amicable DM can turn into a _lot_ of falling rocks damage. With the ability to cast it as much as 14 times without even a short rest, compared to a level 20 Eldritch Knight who can't cast it at all or a level 20 wizard who can only cast it 9 times before taking a short rest if they spend all of their upcast slots, that's an impressive amount of usage for, in my opinion, one of the most versatile mid-level utility / control spells in the game.
If I'm being honest, I don't think that being MAD is a strong point against Psi Warrior in this case, at least not relative to other MAD sub/classes. While yes, you will be stretched a little bit thinner than other fighter subclasses in that regard, you really only need to focus on two ability scores for a Psi Warrior - Intelligence, and Strength or Dexterity - which is a totally manageable spread compared to some sub/classes that require 3 or even 4 well-boosted ability scores to function at maximum capacity.
- Constitution is less of a concern here than for most fighter subclasses, though obviously still good to have, since you mostly get abilities that either give you a boost to your defensive capabilities (Protective Field, Bulwark of Force), or give you ways to control your enemies' positioning on the battlefield and avoid being attacked effectively in the first place (Telekinetic Movement/Thrust/Master), making raw hit points a less pressing concern compared to someone like a Battle Master or Champion who'll typically be right in their opponents' faces with little to prevent direct attacks beyond their armor.
- On the opposite end, Wisdom and Charisma are entirely unnecessary for obvious reasons, especially given that Guarded Mind gives you an easy way to break out of a lot of the most potent effects that would require a Wisdom save.
Overall, I do agree that the Psi Warrior is in many ways more flavor than meat. It's not going to be the most powerful option for building a hyper-optimized fighter in most situations. That said, the flavor it brings is so stellar, and it does still bring enough meat, that I think it's absolutely worth giving a try, and you can provide immense value to a party if you make good use of what it gives you. That value just won't be the straightforward, head-first brawn that's usually associated with the fighter by default.
In terms of what I'd personally combine this subclass with, I absolutely love the somewhat obvious choice of the Telekinetic feat. Having a slightly weaker version of Telekinetic Thrust available in 1) more situations and 2) without spending a resource is awesome, and it feeds the loop of push and pull abilities that this subclass absolutely thrives on even further, plus _mage hand_ is an excellent "Force ability" to have on hand. Magic Initiate is also amazing as always, with my particular top choices being _mage hand_ (if you didn't take Telekinetic), _friends_ (for some low-power mind tricks), _shocking grasp_ (for a little bit of Sith flavor), and _shield_ (for an extra boost alongside Protective Field and Bulwark of Force). Fey Touched can also give you a rare and excellent opportunity to use _command_ with Intelligence to really knuckle down on mind tricks. And of course, a dip into bladesinger never hurt anyone either.
My biggest issue with the psi warrior is that the defensive option doesn't get upgraded at 6th level. something like 'add your level' or 'add half your level' to the damage reduction would really help this out. reducing damage by 3 to 10 isnt really worth much imo, especially on a limited resource.
Telekinetic Movement can't be used on yourself, according to the write-up on D&D Beyond.
says clearly on the text shown here ", other than yourself."
but could i use my shield as a skateboard?
I know we are a decent bit into the analysis of Tasha's, but when you get the chance id love for you to use your ranking system on the individual features for subclasses and other options. At least in the descriptions. Love your work though!
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The telekinetic movement feature to collect a tiny item is perfect for fights around objects or stealing a disarmed weapon from an enemy.
If I were to play this subclass I'd definitely go with a DEX based rapier/shield or Crossbow expert build.
A two to six level dip into Bladesinger would give plenty reason to increase Int
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Finally; been waiting for this one
Good lord, I remember leaving a comment on your first video. And to see how far you've come makes me happy. Good stuff and I'll definitely stay for more.
Glad to have you here!
Ooo, been waiting for this one Chris :D!
I’ve been waiting and waiting for rune knight. Almost there...
Same!
Great video as always Chris! I chose to play as an Aberrant Mind Sorcerer after your video on it, and I am not one bit dissappointed!
3 levels bear totem combined with 17 levels psi warrior is the best tank in the game imo. Resistance to all damage while raging, reaction shield to reduce damage even further, limited flight for extra mobility, ability to knock flying enemies prone, ability to end charm and frightened, ability to reposition fragile mages, and +2 AC while you rage. On top of all this, it's one of the few fighter subclasses that gives its capstone at 17 instead of 18 making it ideal for Barb multiclass.
As for ASI and feats, Sentinel, GWM, and Tough are a must. Sentinel gives you reaction when you run out of psi dice and map control. GWM with reckless attack is busted. You honestly can keep INT at 8 if you wanna max all your physical stats. Your protective shield will still give you +1 but your psy strike will be -1. Not the end of the world because our psy strike will still knock prone even if we roll no extra damage. INT at 12 feels nice but it's not necessary. 20 CON and tough are most important for maximum tankiness but other than that do what you want.
I feel like psi warrior's features that utilize Intelligence are inconsequential enough that you can probably dump intelligence at 14 and be ok, -it's not like a monk where you also have AC and stunning strike tied to it. The level 3 features only add or reduce a couple points of damage; Level 7 is only a dc for a once per turn shove tied to a limited resource; Level 15 lets you select more targets for an aura that gives +2 to AC and dex saves, which is pretty ok; at level 18 the telekinesis uses Int for the ability check to restrain but that seems like kind of a utility/vanity feature if you don't have action surge available to set up restrain advantage for yourself, otherwise you're probable better off just attacking. So ignoring the benefits Int brings, you still have: the ability to deal or deflect up to 1d12 damage, telekinetically move willing creatures or large objects, temporary flight, resist psychic damage, end charmed & frightened conditions, grant half cover to at least one creature, and all the utility benefits of telekinesis.
Although it is pretty unfortunate how few uses you get. -A battlemaster with the fighting style and martial adepts could have 8 dice Per short rest +1 per initiative when starting with 0, whereas psi warrior is limited to 12 uses per long rest +1 recovered per short rest. IFor a long rest resource I would have tied uses to either to fighter level or 3 times proficiency, -and maybe just make telekinesis cost 2 to dice to cast again after the first time, granted this would work worse with multiclassing. With all that being said, form me this still looks tied with Battle Master and Eldritch Knight as far as most interesting Fighter game play goes.
Waited so long for this
I’m really waiting on the Unarmed Halfling Rune Knight with the Crusher Feat combo...
Uppercuts for days
I really liked both of the Fighter subclasses in Tasha's and was wanting an analysis of them. Very nice! I really like the unique feel of this class and despite the MADness of it, I like that it's a Fighter that gives you a use for INT.
Arcane archer: you think am joke?
They get extra asi and can easily miss out all their stats.
Seems weird that the Soulknife has literally zero abilities that rely on Intelligence and this one relies on it so much. It does pair pretty well with Artificer/Wizard in some builds at least.
I'm excited for the rune knight. My friend is playing and it's pretty strong
Yup its a great chassis for alot of one-shot booming blade builds.
@@TheRobversion1 fire rune is pretty mean
@@Booklat1 Yup. That's a must pick for me along with cloud rune. An example of this one-shot build I've used is:
rune 3, grave domain 2, divine soul 5
custom lineage: crusher
fighting style: superior rechnique=menacing attack
runes: fire and cloud
asi: GWM
round 1:
bonus action: quickened upcasted cloud of daggers behind the BBEG
action: path to the grave
action surge: booming blade
use favored of the gods in case it misses. If it looks like it has low AC, activate GWM. activate fire rune, menacing attack after hitting. Whatever the dmg is, double it (path of the grave). Activate crusher to push them into the cloud of daggers (they take no save dmg). If they fail fire rune save, they take continuous fire dmg and stay inside the cloud of daggers on their turn. If they fail menacing attack save, they can choose to get out of the cloud of daggers on their turn, but not approach you (and of course trigger booming blade dmg). They also have disadvantage on attack rolls. Start of their turn, they take cloud of daggers dmg again (at level 4 upcast that's 20 dmg). If they try to do ranged attacks from inside the cloud of daggers, you can cloud rune that attack towards one of their allies.
I love psi warrior as a 3 level dip, since it scales with the proficiency bonus, and therefore, with the total player level.
I agree with Trentmonk and have said so in other videos though I like it a bit better (4 out of 5). Face it this is the Jedi and to make it work you have to talk to the dm and you have to follow one of four paths to make it work 1)dwarf/half-elf with flexible attributes AND point buy And ASI 2) get a head band of intellect or belt of giant strength 3)roll stats and prey or 4) use three levels for Battle smith. All are painful but you become Darth Vader in D&D - got to count for something!
I don't have anything to say. Just commenting to boost your algorithm. Great job as always.
I would only choose this subclass if I rolled for stats and could pull off a 3 AS character. Very cool thematically though.
Telekinetic Movement has an interesting caveat. There are size limitations for objects, but not creatures.
You may move a willing creature of any size so long as they are willing, and a different creature other than yourself.
The telekinetic thing is for when you are locked in a jail cel without your gear and need to get the keys
i don't hate the subclass, but if i am to invest into battlesmith, ill just go full battlesmith instead.
Re: Telekenetic Movement. I'm not sure why you can't see the benefit of essentially replicating Mage Hand. Sure, it isn't Ranged Legerdemain, but you can still grab unattended Tiny objects from 30' while in, or out of combat. Grab the key to your cell. Swipe something off a table/desk while the owner isn't looking. I can think of plenty of ways that this could be of use.
The Telekinetic Master feature can be improved see solely for the bonus action attack.
It only requires you to concentrate on the spell, not spend an action to use it. It’s probably more of a damage boost over an encounter than the level 3 feature as the one die can give damage over multiple rounds.
It seems like it could be quite easy to set up before an encounter too, as it can be activated and used to open doors and move boulders and such that may be concealing enemies. You just have to keep concentration up. This fighter not only has proficiency in constitution saves and indomitable but can also use protective field to reduce damage and Save DC.
One note about the tiny object to your hand: I think it's supposed to effectively, you got disarmed, your weapon is nowhere near you, but you can pull it to your hand, action surge, and kick some butt.
Or if you’re in a jail cell and you see the key on the wall/on the jailer’s belt. I know it says “loose object” but those are the first things that came to mind.
@@lrioje1 Sitting on the desk, while the bard is insulting the gailer and the wizard is unconscious. The fighter grabs the keys and using his unarmed fighting style beats up all the other guards
It might be good to talk with your DM about possible work around a, such as getting a headband of intellect at some point or allowing a custom feat that gives you an effect like shillelagh but for your metal weapons
I would love to see this revisited and built.We recently started a campaign and between my damage reduction and my warlock buddies Armor of Agathys we have been having some fun synergistic hijinks. Pulling a friendly out of a grapple has also been quite helpful. If my attack roles hadn't been so garbage, I would comment on the damage amp capability, but alas I haven't been able to use it yet.
Great video as always. I'll be very interested to hear your thoughts on the Rune Knight, which I'm finding very enjoyable. Bonus points if you pair it with the Powerful Build racial trait. As a fighter you'll probably end up with a 20 in Strength pretty quickly, and having a lifting capacity of 2400lbs when you turn yourself into a large creature can actually have some practical applications when you're adventuring.
The image is blocking damage from a Conjure Barrage
I've been liking this as subclass as a tank/controller. My character is level 4 with psi Warrior 3 wizard 1. 16 int and dex, 14 con, started as custom lineage to get Telekinetic feat. For damage I do Booming Blade + Telekinetic Push (feat) which is like a less reliable BB + Cunning Action disengage for rogues.
What it's really strong tho is battlefield control via movement manipulation. A Telekinetic push/pull with the feat can be a free disengage for an ally most of the time. The 3rd level Telekinetic movement feature is like the push/pull on steroids. You can put another character (say a barbarian) into enemy range or get out a squishy character (like a rogue) surrounded by multiple enemies. The utility is very similar to how casters use teleportation so a lot of the same principles with regards to tactics applies. At this level, only the wildfire druid can beat the psi warrior with regards to the repositioning ability.
One scenario in a recent session that involved me using my abilities together nicely was Telekinetic Move (action) + Telekinetic push (bonus action) to move 2 allies out of enemies + Action Surge disengage to get my self out. It allowed our Sorcerer to cast an aoe without it hitting any of us. So basically I turned a chaotic melee into a situation which gave my caster another chance to land AOEs.
Psionic protection is like a ranged interception fighting style, tho I think of it more like a reaction heal, so I would use it similar to a healing word aka only use it "revive" an ally by reducing fatal damage so that they can take another hit. Psi die management is similar to spell slot management (which I also have due to Wizard 1,mainly for Shield/Absorb Elements and BB/GFB cantrips). Due to this, it kinda feels like a Wizard in terms of having to evaluate how much resources you'll put for every situation which I personally like.
The bonus damage feature for a Psionic die I don't personally like because I'm more of a tank than a damage dealer and the other 2 uses are more valuable in my opinion, also as a damage buff it's nowhere near as good as other similar things like Divine Smite so if I were to make a damage dealer I'd look at other thing instead of this.
So for low levels, yes Psi Warrior is not the optimal choice for a frontline fighter, but in terms of utility I think it's a pretty good subclass.
Another thing about the capstone. Yes, telekinesis relies on your Intelligence, but only if you are targetting a creature with it. Other than using it on objects, you can also simply maintain concentration on it without using your action to target anything with it. This way you can attack normally with your action and still get the extra bonus action attack even if you are fighting an enemy that can reliably beat you in the telekinesis ability check contest.
Sure, getting a bonus action attack for ten minutes and nothing else might be good, but it's not exactly matching the power of 5th level spell. Though, the fact that you can do it for just over 2 hours a day without taking a break makes it a very viable use
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Telekinetic Movement is so you can fling barrels and stuff at your opponents (like Vader does). You can use it to pull a dropped/tossed weapon or MacGufffin to hand as well without having to cast a spell to do it.
Or dead bodies
@@andrewpaul8732 dark, but I’ll allow it 🤣
1 level of artificer or artificer initiate you could take magic stone and a sling. Take the archer fighting style.
in the text for Telekinetic Movement, it states "one willing creature, other than yourself" so it would have to be a thing your attached to or on
Like a horse? Or mildly upset party member?
Hell yeah it is potent! I remember looking at the rune knight and thinking, "Woah you get ALL that on level 3?" It's the absolute motherload! Long-term bonuses, temporary buffs, some bettlefield control and the enlargement ability all at the same time!
That said, I really like the psy warrior flavour. So if I happen to roll really well during character creation, I will make one. :D Then all I need is a sun blade and we are good to go!
Re: Telekinetic Movement. Since there's a free use that doesn't require a die being used, this is great for making a save by moving a pal from danger or who's falling. But the "tiny object" aspect is a pretty niche "snatch the macguffin off the unholy altar and let's get outta here before they see us"-type thing.
I love psychic abilities and have played it twice in UA and twice since Tasha's. Gonna play it again in a Drakkenheim campaign but gonna do a one level dip in wizard.... I'll update you how it goes.
I feel this subclass is almost as MAD of not more so than paladins are as a class. This is definitely a subclass that you want to plan your build for. I’d look at picking up the telekinetic feat.
I feel that CHA is a lot more important to a paladin than INT is to psi warrior. For a paladin, aura of protection is huge, and CHA also lets you prepare more spells and boosts the DC for so many spells and subclass features. For the psi warrior its effects for the most part seem to be of lesser consequence, mostly just adds or subtracts a couple points of damage and raises your DC to shove a creature [up to once on your turn], an ok half cover aura, and eventual telekinesis checks. Definitely wouldn't dump INT but I would be fine leaving it at 16 or maybe 14. But I agree that the telekinetic feat would be sweet on a psi warrior!
My problem with the Psi Warrior is the underutilized psionic energy dice. it could be fixed by having the abilities that have a duration be determined by a roll of the psionic energy dice
I like the thought of Armorer 3, Psi Warrior 3, War Wizard 2
I love the callout for the multiclass into battlesmith. That's how I'd play this as well. Delaying extra attack is not really a big issue if you start at higher levels and because the artificer gives you access to booming blade to compensate for the delay of extra attack. That way you can dump str and focus on int, enough dex for med armor and con.
I don't get though why psionic strike won't work with critical hits. Can you expound further? It doesn't seem similar to gathering swarm.
doesnt half cover also give you +2 to dex saves? That lvl 15 ability is bonkers strong. I love it.
The Psi Warrior is great at high levels most campaigns never reach.
The damage reduction ability needs to scale with level so it remains relevant, either increasing the number of dice like a cantrip, replacing the INT bonus with level or half level, or some such. Additionally, the damage increase should loose the 30' range limit so it can be used by archers and the wording changed so it's doubled on a critical hit - the Psi Warrior infuses the attack with energy that is released (and the psi die consumed) only if the attack hits.
If you roll for stats this subclasse can be amazing
The Intelligence dip is just brutal.
The fact you need to multi-class to fully utilize PW says everything you need to say about it.
MAD! Way too MAD
When i initially read this subclass i couldn't help but to compare it directly to the battle master. The flavor is fun but ultimately i like the battle master better.
In defense of telekinetic movement, it can be used to take the MacGuffin from the bad guys basically for free and help the party from time to time. Some evil wizard doing some ritual over a book at an altar? Just yoink it into your hand and bolt. Magic chalice on a glyph of warding or something? Yoink it into your hand and bolt. You ran out of movement and a party member desperately needs a potion? Hover it over to him.
Telekinetic Movement is not "Situational" it is literally the ability that makes the entire class tic. I have legitimately action surged to double telekinetic movement people where they needed to be, and was the hero of the group for doing so. I have played this as a combat medic to huge effect, being both tank, healer, and damage dealer.
Your example shows it being situational. If it wasn't situational, you could use it effectively at almost any time like the attack action.
@@timeforsuchaword If you use something every session, its not situational.That's like calling a fighter's action surge "Situational".
@@jiiaga5017 Situational literally means depending on the situation.
@@timeforsuchaword in TM's rating terms, "Situational" - it is an indication of power level of a feature not simply a descriptive term. Your point seems pedantic and in bad faith relative to the venue of our discussion.
Time to make a Whisper Psy Soul Knife Warrior for double Psionic Power AND double Psychic Blades !! prob gonna do 1d12 psychic dmg on everyone on the table every turn
Edit : I will Attack with my Psychic Blades and use my Psionic Power to raise my attack so i can hit then i will use my Psionic Power to do an extra 1d8+ Int and Psychic Blades for 2d6 and then i will trigger my Psychic Blades for a bonus action attack XD
With the 30 feet on psionic strike I am wondering how this might work out as a thrown weapon fighter build
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Psionic Strike is apparently an entirely different and separate damage roll from your attack, so no benefit from crits.
This means it does have other benefits though.
1. It can gain hexblade proficiency bonus damage since it’s a different damage roll.
2. It causes an additional, separate concentration check.
3. It’s unaffected by features like uncanny dodge that reduce attack damage.
4. Potentially causes an immediate failed death save if the target is knocked out from the initial attack.
5. Since it’s not actually a melee attack itself, it cannot be used to “safely” knock out a creature with this portion of damage.
Probably more but I’ll have to keep thinking on it...
I wish the Psi Warrior had access to the cloud rune. Seems thematically appropriate to redirect damage telepathically.
The Psi Warrior Art is likely the Bulwark of Force. Not the reduction ability.
Really want to play a tabaxi str Psi Knight with Crusher and Telekinetic. 120ft flight in a round (more with dash and action surge) and so much forced movement
I think this class gets a lot better if you have an artificer in your party who can just hand you a headband of intellect at 10th level, which would mean you could start with an int of 14, then have it auto-boosted to 19 at 10th level, leaving you with more-or-less OK (if not great) save DCs right through level 20 without having to give up your feat selections. Even with the good later-level abilities though, this class feels very similar to a reflavored battlemaster with less options and a worse save DC to me- I like that Tasha's has brought back that cool earlier-edition psionic flavor, but I feel like the mechanics of the psi warrior put it firmly in a niche that was already filled perfectly by an existing subclass.
I think psi powered Leap Is actually very underrated, with some good multiclass and feat, you can free grabble One enemy or ally, and move for 50 ft, if anyone cast haste on you, you can riposition One creature with 200 ft, i dont think any classe can do that actually (longstrider, mobile)
1 Level of artificer for Mage Hand and Magic Stone (Catapult and Featherfall, too bad Unseen Servant isn't on the list..). But that bonus action every turn for Magic Stone could get super annoying... Still, I'm tempted
I know it's an older video but I've recently become infatuated with this subclass as I really want to make a true telekinetic master. (I'm thinking the new air genasi would work into that flavor nicely).
and I was wondering how you think allowing the psi warrior to substitute their strength modify with their intelligence modifier for their attacks would impact the psi warrior in terms of viability?
(I feel like it would be thematic given the description of the subclass says they augment their physical strength with their psi abilities)
Psionic Strike is dealt after our damage from our attack is applied. So no doubling on a crit.
But does that mean it causes two concentration checks? Does it save us from wasting the die if our initial attack would have been enough to kill it anyways
I am about to play madmage with a GESTALT character! (Me and a monk rogue) I will be bladesinger plus psy warrior Hahaha
Ah, stick with fighter. The extra feats/ASI can offset the MAD. Tough can offset a moderate 14 in Con. There are more than enough half feats to build your strength and get something else.
Huh, I missed this.
It seems ever edition collapses and starts anew when they bring out psionics.
You're naming your Rune Knight "Celes Cherie" I assume.
Honestly if the movement/knock prone didn't require INT, I'd just not worry terribly about INT until later levels as you near Bulwark. Adding or removing a point of damage or two isn't THAT big a deal. Still, it seems really fun to play, and a nice DM might toss you an item to alleviate at least one of your 3 MAD scores.
if you are building a Dex Fighter I'm not sure the multiclass is totally necessary. for a Str Fighter I think going the 2lvl dip into War Magic Wizard is the better play as you can worry less about AC and initiative.
Playing a psi warrior shortly and the only reason I am is because we rolled stats and I got 2 18s and my lowest was 11. Hottest line I ever rolled. Otherwise I'd have been a rune knight, as I too think it the better class.
Why was there three arrows on that picture? Uhhhhhm...the DM was using the optional "multiple attackers" rule from the DMG? That would allow you to use it this way.
I know, that is a stretch...but (insert the "we will make it legal" meme).
Would you say the Psi Warrior's MADness is better or worse than Ranger subclasses that want to make WIS your primary stat, and don't even have Fighter's extra ASIs to help make that less insane?
Which subclasses are they? The reworked beast master uses wisdom but I wouldn't consider it more important then your dex
I really feel like with the level 3 telekinetic ability if it's a tiny object it shouldn't use up a resource. I mean it's basically worse mage hand at that point.
Good point. Would it really have killed WotC to give this subclass mage hand without components?
You can do some silly stuff with it as is though, two macguffins on either side behind the big bad and you just action surge to grab both
I don’t think intelligence is worth getting above 18 for this subclass, probably not worth doing until level 14 or 16 specifically for the Bulwark of Force ability. At least with point buy.
A lot of what this subclass has to offer is affected by intelligence in minor ways except for bulwark.
honestly the damage reduction should've just been you casting shield for the cost of a die, and the telekinetic feat should've been a class feature
Actually, since you're going to have to/want to increase INT, it would probably be smart to take AT LEAST a couple of levels of wizard and just take the Shield spell. That way you get it AND the damage reduction.
You misrepresented the protective field feature.
It can reduce any instance of damage to a single creature, regardless of that damages source or type.
Failed saving throw, attack hit, damage from a failed check, even received from no other roll like fall damage.
Can reduce damage that isn’t even a damage roll like guardian of faith.
It’s a small reduction, but it’s always applicable so long as sight and distance req’ed are met.
Honestly, all I could think during this for most of the features was: couldn't you just reflavour the battlemaster? They regain all of their resource on a short rest and have as much at low levels. AND they have many more manoeuvres, particularly post-tashas, usually achieving the same things and offering more variety. The only big benefit at low tiers of play is the 60ft flying speed, a dex fighter wouldn't necessarily need this and an Eldritch Knight could take misty step at a similar level.
Only place this class really comes into it's own is high tiers of play, and while bulwark and telekenesis are nice they aren't game changers for a fighter and are easily outshone by Eldritch Knight at these levels: I'd rather Eldritch Knights flexible spell casting even if it's at using lower spell casting levels (e.g. Haste or Fly can often be more useful). Also the spell casting "stacks" with multiclassing where psionics doesn't.
There just doesn't seem to be enough different with this class to separate it from the other classes? I would've liked to see some truly psionic abilities, like predicting an enemies attacks or influencing them in battle. As is this class just puts a thin layer of telekinesis onto the fighter, and a fighter doesn't need psionics for that when it's had the shove action from level 1.
Also, for all the flack that champion and samurai get, at least they are meaningfully different from Battlemaster. Critical hits are fun (and gets better/more likely with more attacks) and samurai has advantage on demand and temp HP.
I'd personally house rule this class to use Intelligence for attacks and damage instead of STR from level 1.
Have you thought about posting your DM sessions?
I would have no issue with that, but not sure about my players.
@@TreantmonksTemple just for feedback from your audience, I would absolutely watch it, even if there was an ad every 15-20 minutes.
I'd be interested in watching that too.
I find it a bit hilarious that something as disappointing as the Psi Warrior appeared alongside the likes of the Peace & Twilight Domains.
No sane DM would ever allow the Peace or Twilight domains.
@@PlanetOfTheApes999 guess my dm isn't sane then XD playing twilight cleric now
@@PlanetOfTheApes999 twilight really did release so broken stronk that it'll never get used :-(
The level 3 of this subclass starts as okay and becomes very bad very quickly.
The best thing about it is they had actually built in the scalign into the level 3 feature, instead of spreading it all over like with battlemaster.
Psionic strike is good at 3rd and 4th level. 1d6+2 additional damage is impactful, even. But. Once extra attack comes in, it doesnt hold up, because once per turn. And the damage being tied to a secondary (or maybe a tertiary ability score) is super not good. Level 5 battlemaster wants something dead, attack twice, burn menacing on every hit, action surge, attack twice, burn menacing on every hit. That is 4d8+12+4d8, and 4 different instances of a wisdom save. Burned all superiority dice.
Meanwhile, psi striker has 6 dice, can only burn 1. If both classes at level 5 only use one die per turn, the combat must last 5 rounds for the psi knight to show any advantege, As much as I dislike short rest classes, a battlemaster is actually effective at doing something, while the psi warrior is not.
Protective field is the same. 1d6+2 damage reduce is nice on levels 3 and 4. Level 5 and beyond, one of two things happen. Either the amount of incoming attacks increase, or a single instance of damage grows to be waaaaaaaaay bigger. A reaction of 1d8+2 does not keep up.
At 17th level, a reaction of 1d12+5 at best damage reduce flat out does nothing.
If they wanted to make it a long rest class, number of dice equal to class level, and expend up to intmod at once, once per turn. That would turn the protective field into a 3d12 damage reduce at level 17, which can actually do things.
As things stand, a psi warrior doesnt have enough resources to be a long rest class, and the ways it can expend those resources dont have the impact they need.
This subclass is very, very badly designed
Agreed with most here. This just falls behind the battlemaster (multi-attack martials) and rune knight (one-shot booming blade/grappler builds). I don't think its terrible though like the arcane archer or champion. Just average in its power levels.
It’s really weird because the ability to rescue one damage a round is huge. At any level. 1 damage is the difference between one round and 2 rounds of combat.
Why do WotC insist that Intelligence and hence Wizards end up being the basis for the Fighter or Rogue classes with spells? Not that I mind Int mattering but I really wish they'd spread it out among classes more, not just dumping it all on the Fighter and Rogue. Like, make a Druid class that actually benefitted from Intelligence, for example. Or have a Fighter that can use Charisma?
Am I the only one that thinks that Githzerai are better than yanki? i know most people like the yanki but they just feel like they're lacking in that psy power. Having Shield especially feels better than misty step for combat and detect thoughts sounds better than jump for non combat.
anyone have the image at 1:35? kinda want to make a character with that art =)
custom lineage with telekinetic - and +2 in int = 8 str 14 dex 14 con 18 int 10 wis 10 cha at level 1
start with artificer to battlesmith at 3
then do a hard switch to fighter
yea it will take a while to get rolling but oh well I am a jedi XD