Great movie, I have no words. The East is slowly waking up when it comes to making movies. All the best. I was especially impressed by actresses Almira and Aizhan. It would be nice for them to stay in their country and continue making other films, which will of course be better and better.
The Kazakhs congratulate our brothers and our distant Hungary on this excellent film. The Huns spoke even only the Avars kipchak in Turkish and we Attila are the grandchildren of the King of the Huns. Huns and Hungaria are no accident. We are Huns too. Many wanted to break it, but we will not leave ourselves. We have not forgotten the steppe customs so I raise my right hand to my heart and greet you with a bow. Tomiris is the role model and heroine of all the people of the steppes who have stood up for the truth for more than 2,500 years and avenged the vile persecutions of the enemies of his family and people. We really can’t forget the brave masculine queen. Glory to her, for glory is due!
From the great Step I salute my brother descendands of Huns - the great warriors who ended the Rome, the great warriors who found their new home in a battle!
Victor we have the same ancestors. You became christians we became Muslims. Turks and Hungarians are brothers and sisters and have the same strong mentality.
😂😂😂😂this was Iranian queen 😅😅😅not Kazakh my small child you did not know this people was ancient Iranian people who conqured central Asia many times😅😅😅😅😅😅
@talhaawan4919 you don't know history enough, she was head of massagetes. Massagetes had been living in Central Asia mostly. Read right historical resources.
@@freeworld_freeworld you did not know my small child this was Iranian saka people and lived in central Asia and destroyed the turks🤪🤪😜😜😜search in google chellange accepted search in RUclips this is Iranian saka people who ruled over your lands and queen tomiris was Iranian queen🤪🤪😜😜😜😜😜you did not know Iranian settled in central Asia and Kurds great empires conqured central Asia 🤪🤪😜😜😜why are you crying and wrong history tell me I am not child 😁😁😁😁great Irani people🤫🤫🤫💪
If you observe the actor who played role as Tiras was always seen in those films. I really want to know his name. He played a great character even though he is not the main character.
@@imantaqwa9957 I learned some Kazakh history and culture after watching some Kazakh historical movies. I loved historical movies as it let me understand the culture of that country and the people slightly better.
@@marvinfok65 Yes me too!! I'm not only interested in Kazakh country but like to observe all Turks Nation!! Their culture is really fascinating. I have watched many of Turks movies including Kazakh movies, Turkish movies. Beside that, I also love to hear Turks Songs from all Turks Nation such as Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Uiyghur, Altai, Turkey, Uzbekistan and others. I already can sing some of Turks Songs.
So Massagetae were Turks ? 😂 Turks were still in eastern mongolia, when central Asia was populated by Indo-Europeans. Iranians and others, but not the Turks. Turkish logic is: nomad = turk Which is bullshit as well
Казахи пьют кумыс с X-века до н.э. Кто не пьет кумыс тот не САК. Кочевники Турки с маленькими племенами раздолбали Византию, также и Кира в степи запросто.
@@pippi2285 no. yes, there is a mixture, but Turkic tribes in Central Asia were also mixed with the Mongols. There are still more slanted Turkic people in Anatolia.
@Ksjs Jdjdb Bro the Sakas (like their neighbors the Sarmatians, Sogdians, Tocharians, Bactrians and Scythians) were still culturally Eastern Iranian at this time. When the Turkic people migrated Westwards outta Siberia they merged with many tribes while retaining the local customs.
would you then ban kazakhs to make movies and film anything? strange comments. would u claim americans not to film movies about ancient greeks or romans? massagetes lived on the lands of modern kazakhs so why not?
@@atlantic2006 да, разбыли и не раз,притом Чубина разбыл союз тюркского каганата, Византии и хазар.Теперь насчёт парфян,с каких пор парфяне (пахлави в оригинале) стали тюрками??? Насчёт алан ,почитай как и почему кыпчаки предали алан!Эфталиты (Хайтали на оригинале) относятся к иранским гуннам, Есть такой термин в науке хуна (от авестийского Хвана) означающий иранские гунны, к которым относятся эфталиты, кидариты, хиониты ,алхоны и незак(прямые их потомки это пуштуны).Теперь насчёт Кушан вот текст Рабатакской надписи ( Авганистан) написанный на языке кушан (юэчжи, тохары,асси и т.д.) ,т.е.северо-восточном иранском: Канишка Кошан раштог ладейго хоазаоарго Баг-Канишка Кушан-праведный справедливый самодержавец Бог. Зного киди асо Нана одо асо ойспоан ми Багано-Достойный поклонения получивший царство от Наны и от всех Богов. И шаодано абордо киди иог Хшоно-Учредивший первый год календаря. Нобасто сгонди Багано синдадо отейя-Как повелели Боги. И Ионагго оасо озоасто тадейя Ариао остадо-Издал этот греческий эдикт и переложил его затем на Арийский....и т.д. А вот насчёт скифов ,современник и непосредственно знакомый с ними, сарматами и парфянами Аммиан Марцеллин:"все они"[про алан] становятся вследствии многообразных упражнений великолепными воинами. Поэтому-то и персы,будучи скифского происхождения, весьма опытны в военном деле"."Римская история" книга X XXI гл.2.абз.17-25. Это специально для тебя,просвещайся...
It is funny to watch the angry reaction of the Iranians to this movie. I guess they are not up to date with modern genetic and anthropological studies on remains from kurgans in Kazakhstan, which show a gradual transition of the originally Iranic Sakas (Eastern Scythians) towards mixed and then Asian composition in terms of their appearance and genetics. This transition took place between 1000 AD and 300AD. By the end of this process the Sakas were assimilated by the incoming Hunnic and Turkic peoples coming from the East. Facial reconstruction shows predominantly Asian appearance in the Altai and Siberian Sakas by 700-500 AD. The genomes of modern-day Kazakhs are about 1/3 Indo-European/Scythian (or even earlier Botai culture), 1/3 Turkic and 1/3 Mongol and this reflects very well the history of the nomads who lived in the Great Steppe in Kazakhstan for thousands of years. Thus, Kazakhs are entitled to make this movie about their ancestors - as these Sakas were our ancestors, not of modern day Iranians. Moreover, Sakas constantly fought with Persians and looked very different from them. Persians themselves portrayed them as very different from themselves on the relief frescos on the walls of Persepolis. Persians are pictures with curvy hair and beards and narrow faces whereas as Sakas are always pictured with straight/wavy hair, almond-shaped eyes and raised cheek bones. Kazakhs preserved the original way of life and even clothing of the Scythians for hundreds of years. So, the brave nomad queen Tomiris is OUR heroine and not the one for the Persians! She herself would not want to be counted as a Persian for sure...
Tomyris is a story that Herodotus HEARD and even he himself says so He also says that there are several other stories about his death and he has written the one that he liked the most but still he isn't sure about it If you perused this story and think about it, you'll find lots of errors and that it's not logical Like how can one Scythian tribe fight an army ? How many people lived in a Scythian tribe in 530 BC ? Let's say 5,000 max considering all men, women, children and elders Cyrus had at least 50,000 soldiers just after he conquered Medes, not to mention that this is a story about his last years of life That means he gained way more experience and his army was battle hardened since they were fighting powerful empires in open battles while having less soldiers And they always won Medes : Battle of Hyrba Battle of the Persian border Siege/Battle of Pasargadae hill Lydians : Pteria Thymbra Siege of Opis Conquest of Ionia (this counts as Harpagus and his soldiers victory but still an important experience) Babylonians : Battle of Opis He even had 10,000 immortals which were trained to fight, survive and kill since they were 5 or 7 Now how can such large and battle hardened army with such experienced soldiers be defeated by 5000 Nomad Scythians who had no experience in large battles despite being great warriors, defeat him and his army in an open battle ? When Darius the great invaded Scythian lands after the death of Cambyses, from central asia to the north of the black sea, non of the tribes dared to fight despite being tens of tribes there if not hundreds They ran away or submitted And they say one tribe defeated the Achaemenid army of Cyrus ? All of these aside, non of the other ancient Historians talk about Tomyris and her tribe Some even say he died in peace in his palace in Pasargadae like Xenophon or some Roman historians after him The most accurate one however, is Ctesias story which is from the Royal inscripts He lived in the fifth century BC, was physician to the Achaemenid king of kings, Artaxerxes II He says Cyrus the great fought Derbices (some Iranian people) in Hyrcania (around and beyond Alborz mountains) and won but died 3 days after his victory because he was wounded in battle He also explains how the battle went Derbices had allied with some Indian forces and even had war elephants which is why they could surround Cyrus's cavalry and cause him to fall off his horse One of the Indian soldiers wounded him with a javelin but his men were able to save him Meanwhile, a Scythian king (I forgot his name) who served as a commander in Cyrus's army comes to his aid with a force of 20,000 soldiers and together with the Achaemenids they break the surrounding and defeat the Derbices In the end Cyrus lost 10,000 men while Derbices lost 30,000 along with their king (I don't remember his name) and his two sons (This was the most complete version of Ctesias's story about Cyrus's death that i've read) This makes more sense even more since Derbices were the people of a region not just one tribe so they had enough manpower for an army and had even allied with Indian forces They probably revolted against Cyrus because they were conquered ever since Cyrus defeated the Medes Plus every territories near the Median empire that Scythians were living in were already conquered by Cyrus You can take a look at the map of the Achaemenid empire during Cyrus's reign
@@veyselturan6916 Tomyris is a story that Herodotus HEARD and even he himself says so He also says that there are several other stories about his death and he has written the one that he liked the most but still he isn't sure about it If you perused this story and think about it, you'll find lots of errors and that it's not logical Like how can one Scythian tribe fight an army ? How many people lived in a Scythian tribe in 530 BC ? Let's say 5,000 max considering all men, women, children and elders Cyrus had at least 50,000 soldiers just after he conquered Medes, not to mention that this is a story about his last years of life That means he gained way more experience and his army was battle hardened since they were fighting powerful empires in open battles while having less soldiers And they always won Medes : Battle of Hyrba Battle of the Persian border Siege/Battle of Pasargadae hill Lydians : Pteria Thymbra Siege of Opis Conquest of Ionia (this counts as Harpagus and his soldiers victory but still an important experience) Babylonians : Battle of Opis He even had 10,000 immortals which were trained to fight, survive and kill since they were 5 or 7 Now how can such large and battle hardened army with such experienced soldiers be defeated by 5000 Nomad Scythians who had no experience in large battles despite being great warriors, defeat him and his army in an open battle ? When Darius the great invaded Scythian lands after the death of Cambyses, from central asia to the north of the black sea, non of the tribes dared to fight despite being tens of tribes there if not hundreds They ran away or submitted And they say one tribe defeated the Achaemenid army of Cyrus ? All of these aside, non of the other ancient Historians talk about Tomyris and her tribe Some even say he died in peace in his palace in Pasargadae like Xenophon or some Roman historians after him The most accurate one however, is Ctesias story which is from the Royal inscripts He lived in the fifth century BC, was physician to the Achaemenid king of kings, Artaxerxes II He says Cyrus the great fought Derbices (some Iranian people) in Hyrcania (around and beyond Alborz mountains) and won but died 3 days after his victory because he was wounded in battle He also explains how the battle went Derbices had allied with some Indian forces and even had war elephants which is why they could surround Cyrus's cavalry and cause him to fall off his horse One of the Indian soldiers wounded him with a javelin but his men were able to save him Meanwhile, a Scythian king (I forgot his name) who served as a commander in Cyrus's army comes to his aid with a force of 20,000 soldiers and together with the Achaemenids they break the surrounding and defeat the Derbices In the end Cyrus lost 10,000 men while Derbices lost 30,000 along with their king (I don't remember his name) and his two sons (This was the most complete version of Ctesias's story about Cyrus's death that i've read) This makes more sense even more since Derbices were the people of a region not just one tribe so they had enough manpower for an army and had even allied with Indian forces They probably revolted against Cyrus because they were conquered ever since Cyrus defeated the Medes Plus every territories near the Median empire that Scythians were living in were already conquered by Cyrus You can take a look at the map of the Achaemenid empire during Cyrus's reign
@@timothymikaelson2646 Скифы в целом, и массагеты в частности, относятся к индо-европейским народам, населявшим в древности всю Евразию до окраин Китая включительно. Казахи, как и многие народы, обретшие государственность после распада империи, пытаются обосновать древность своего происхождения и причастность к не имеющим к ним прямого отношения событиям древности. Это больше политика, чем историческая правда, и относиться к данной продукции следует именно как к разалекательному кинцу, не более того!
@@НесторМахно-е5п Почему у вас все заканчивается национализмом и шовинизмом?! Никто не говорит что она казашка.Она представительница всех Тюрков, Прото Тюрк.Тюрки всегда жили в Центральной Азии, как бы вам не хотелось впихнуть сюда персов , ваших родных.Вы ведь за них как за родного отца заступаетесь.Если все были персами зачем они затеяли эту войну?! Почему вы не возмущаетесь Голливуду который сняли фильм про Анну Болейн с чернокожей актрисой в главной роли.Англо Саксом пикнуть не смеете сидя на коленях перед ними успеваете оскалить зубы всем Тюркам по старой привычке.Если жаба душет пусть задушет вас.
@@edwardtheking2983 Вы несёте какую-то дичь! Изучайте историю не по своим национальным источникам, а почитайте разных авторов. Тюрки, точнее тюркюты, появились в прикаспийских степях не ранее пятого века нашей эры и не являются потомками скифов от слова совсем. Так что национализм и шовинизм - ваши коньки, на которых вы пытаетесь неумело ездить!
@@НесторМахно-е5п Я англичанин.Как раз я изучал историю по мировым источникам.Это вы все стараетесь сделать все как вам нравится. Так заврались что ложь от истины не можете отличить.Visit British Museum and other educational places If you can't afford to study at British Universities. No need to be nervous and furious , You are not in the WW3.Learn to debate as educated man.We are not talking about " krepostnoie pravo" Just calm down or you need someone to make you down.
Казахи пьют кумыс с X-века до н.э. Кто не пьет кумыс тот не САК. Кочевники Турки с маленькими племенами раздолбали Византию, также и Кира в степи запросто.
Тюрки, в гениральных строжениях никогда не использоваль шиты как европейцы. Так как считалась , прятаясь за щитом вой не выкладывался на все сто. Без щита он был проворным и сторался выжить, а выжить можно было только победив врага.
The 99 % comments doesnt know about tomiris.What a shame.Called a history fake.Some time later they will also doubt on their father. I am tomiris decendent we are now called pakhtun,pashtun,pathans living in Pakistan ,afghanistan.Our language that time is called sakas now pashto or pakhtu.My tribe name is yousafzai or isafzai or esafzai while she is askuzai or iskozai.
@Ksjs Jdjdb Bro,I dont jealous.I love turk more than any other caste.Pashtun and turk history mostly intermix because in older time the region is called khurasan turk and pashtun tribes lives together than move on.Western and hindu destory our pashtun history by writting fake books.Even they write my tribe name yousafzai a turk.which is completely wrong.we are brother asa muslim.By the way why i can be jealous of turks.we pashtun are world most powerful caste.No one still born to defeat pashtun.Even we help ottamon in last times.You know Abdul rehman peshawari he is pashtun.if you are true turk you would know him.We pashtun are also called afghan,Pathan,pakhtun.Prophet muhammad saw give us title Pathan when we help arabs to conquerer makkah.Prophet (saw) said they are only caste who will secure my religion a word by word till day of judgement.Ancient turks are true muslim but now you became secular.Evan adopt european culture and change religion.Even we pashtun feel very sad for this.....
Lmao. First of all, the notion that Cyrus the Great was killed by Tomyris was propagated by Herodotus: a man who said Pharaoh Khufu pimped out his daughters to build the Pyramids and that the semen of African and Indian men were "black" like their skin. Xenophon on the other hand; a guy who wrote a biography on Cyrus the Great, says that he died peacefully, on his bed. And since Xenophon, unlike Herodotus, had actually interacted with the Achaemenid Persians, I'm inclined to believe him. As for this movie scene...the Scythians were in fact deadly as missile cavalry (much like the Parthians who decimated the Romans at Carrhae) but when confronted in melee combat, especially against the Heavy Cataphracts (who managed to cut through Alexander's Macedonian Phalanx like butter) employed by the Achaemenid Persians, these dudes would be utterly annihilated. Also fun fact: Scythia was conquered by the Achaemenid Persians under Darius the Great.
Nicely put. I wonder why they like to suppress Iranians on a fictitious basis for their own propaganda. I also wanted to add that the scythians/masaggets were an Indo-Iranian people, while they are portrayed having Mongolian features in this narrative!
There is a lot of dispute concerning the death of Cyrus, but you are confused. Xenophon himself described his book about Cyrus (Cyropaedia) as a political romance and did not intend it to be history. Historians in general tend to agree with Herodotus about Cyrus' death. Also, at this point, the use of cataphracts was extremely rare. This is one of the movie's historical inaccuracies, the armor of the khwarezmians (chorasmians). The scythians and specifically the massagetae were better equipped at the time, which is why they won agains the persians. And no, cutting through the macedonian phalanx is not possible, even for a cataphract. No horse would run straight into a line of pikes. Encircling them is the only way to beat them, which is why the macedonians employed a unit called hypaspists to protect the flanks of the phalanx.
@Ksjs Jdjdb you are the one who needs to some research. The first turkic peoples settled in anatolia somewhat 1700 years after the events of this movie. Just asking, what country do you come from?
@Ksjs Jdjdb ok, we will do this the long way. Do you now what tribe tomyris comes from and what empire cyrus the great rules? These are some characters in the movie. Please answer to this questions and this questions alone.
I'm really sorry for the director of this film. Because he himself said that the historical source of this film was Herodotus, but we see in the film that many parts of the film have no historical source at all and are more imagination than reality. For example, we see in a part of the film The queen's eldest son goes to Babylon with his father and is killed in an attack there. but this is NOT true because of he was captured by the army of the Achaemenid empire in the first fight between Massagetaes and Achaemenid . at the Tomiris's request for his release from Cyrus the Great, he was released , but because he is ashamed of captivity, he kills himself.
Tomyris is a story that Herodotus HEARD and even he himself says so He also says that there are several other stories about his death and he has written the one that he liked the most but still he isn't sure about it If you perused this story and think about it, you'll find lots of errors and that it's not logical Like how can one Scythian tribe fight an army ? How many people lived in a Scythian tribe in 530 BC ? Let's say 5,000 max considering all men, women, children and elders Cyrus had at least 50,000 soldiers just after he conquered Medes, not to mention that this is a story about his last years of life That means he gained way more experience and his army was battle hardened since they were fighting powerful empires in open battles while having less soldiers And they always won Medes : Battle of Hyrba Battle of the Persian border Siege/Battle of Pasargadae hill Lydians : Pteria Thymbra Siege of Opis Conquest of Ionia (this counts as Harpagus and his soldiers victory but still an important experience) Babylonians : Battle of Opis He even had 10,000 immortals which were trained to fight, survive and kill since they were 5 or 7 Now how can such large and battle hardened army with such experienced soldiers be defeated by 5000 Nomad Scythians who had no experience in large battles despite being great warriors, defeat him and his army in an open battle ? When Darius the great invaded Scythian lands after the death of Cambyses, from central asia to the north of the black sea, non of the tribes dared to fight despite being tens of tribes there if not hundreds They ran away or submitted And they say one tribe defeated the Achaemenid army of Cyrus ? All of these aside, non of the other ancient Historians talk about Tomyris and her tribe Some even say he died in peace in his palace in Pasargadae like Xenophon or some Roman historians after him The most accurate one however, is Ctesias story which is from the Royal inscripts He lived in the fifth century BC, was physician to the Achaemenid king of kings, Artaxerxes II He says Cyrus the great fought Derbices (some Iranian people) in Hyrcania (around and beyond Alborz mountains) and won but died 3 days after his victory because he was wounded in battle He also explains how the battle went Derbices had allied with some Indian forces and even had war elephants which is why they could surround Cyrus's cavalry and cause him to fall off his horse One of the Indian soldiers wounded him with a javelin but his men were able to save him Meanwhile, a Scythian king (I forgot his name) who served as a commander in Cyrus's army comes to his aid with a force of 20,000 soldiers and together with the Achaemenids they break the surrounding and defeat the Derbices In the end Cyrus lost 10,000 men while Derbices lost 30,000 along with their king (I don't remember his name) and his two sons (This was the most complete version of Ctesias's story about Cyrus's death that i've read) This makes more sense even more since Derbices were the people of a region not just one tribe so they had enough manpower for an army and had even allied with Indian forces They probably revolted against Cyrus because they were conquered ever since Cyrus defeated the Medes Plus every territories near the Median empire that Scythians were living in were already conquered by Cyrus You can take a look at the map of the Achaemenid empire during Cyrus's reign
Казахи пьют кумыс с X-века до н.э. Кто не пьет кумыс тот не САК. Кочевники турки с маленькими племенами раздолбали Византию, также и Кира в степи запросто.
@@ramtin5152 Kazakhs have been drinking koumiss since the 10th century BC. Who does not drink koumiss is not a SAK. Nomadic Turks with small tribes crushed Byzantium, as well as Cyrus in the steppe easily.
@@manarbekbaieke4523 There are several accounts about Cyrus death and other historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe While Tomyris story might be the most famous one, it's not the most accurate one The most accurate story about his death is the one that Ctesias said Ctesias said he fought the Derbices and won but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of the battle and that's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and way closer than Central Asia and unlike Massagetaes, who lived in tribes, they lived in a region and had way more manpower than Scythians Meaning, they had enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000 Plus, Ctesias worked at Artaxerxes II royal court and that means he had access to the Achaemenid sources He even mentioned the number of casualties of both sides and the number of Cyrus reinforcements Take a look at Cyrus conquest map on Google
@@ramtin5152 I have to disappoint you, ctesias is not the most trustworty source. In fact ancient and modern scholars highly criticise his account. Its true in fact, that Heredotus only tells us what he has seen or heard, thus this means he is as realiable as the storys he got told. I dont want argue about how cyrus died. What I only want to make clear is, that the preference of one source does not give us the truth. And that ctesias is not reliable. In fact Berossus claims, that Cyrus died in Battle agianst the dahae, people who are related to the massagets. And about your numbers. The size of an army, or the sucess an army has had previous to an engagement, does not say anything about the likeliness of a victory. The greek city states, or the macedonians defeated bigger persian armys despite being outnumber. This victories were possible becouse of the advantage in military technic. The phalanx beats the persian tactic. And this is the same with the fighting style of the nomadic horse archers. Crassus lost against the parthic empire because of the parthian horse archers. Sometimes its not the army size that matters, its the technic and tactics. And dont undererstimate the fighting experience of nomdaic people, because those horse nomads were for ages highly skilled and dangerous enemies for different empires.
¡La clásica pero mortalmente perfecta emboscada! ¿Cuántos ejércitos no habrán sucumbido así ante un enemigo en franca desbandada? Me recordó las películas en que los "pieles rojas" se la aplicaban al "Cuerpo de caballería del ejército estadounidense." >>> The classic but deadly perfect ambush! How many armies have not thus succumbed to an enemy in outright rout? It reminded me of movies in which the "Redskins" applied it to the "US Army Cavalry Corps."
@@legionariodemilbatallas_57-62 Claro, en el libro de Josué viene algo así. Sin embargo yo hablo de el contraataque a caballo y disparando flechas hacia atrás: esa si es la invención específica de esos pueblos ¡Y un maniobra muy cansada de hacer!
@@quidradiobyzendirh.6174 Si disparamos flechas hacia atrás estamos cubriendo nuestra retirada organizada o no, prevista o no. Y si tenemos el suficiente apoyo tras la retaguardia de quien nos pida los talones, es como tener una pelota inflable de playa en medio de dos erizos de mar 🤫
The Ottoman Turks did not exist as an independent state and state 600 years ago, and then slowly began to attack and kill as a small group of thugs from a corner of Turkey with unarmed and defenseless civilians in the surrounding cities. And Suleiman the Magnificent attacked Istanbul after the brutal massacre of the people of Constantinople (present-day Istanbul). At the time of the Persian Emperor (Iran), the Turkish and Ottoman governments were nowhere to be found, and Turkey was part of the Persian (Iranian) Empire. And the Persian Empire 2,500 years ago was a great empire that ruled half of the world. The Persian Empire, respectively: Medes, Achaemenids, Seleucids, Parthians, Sassanids ... and continues to this day
Istanbul was Suleiman the Magnificent' s CAPITAL CITY. Learn History carefully and thoroughly. Interesting Why the whole world wishes we were not here.But we are here , Turkic nations from Balkans to Sakhalin you like it or not.We dont care.It's your problem if you can't accept it.Go home and cry silently.
The Scythians are truly impressive people. I would love to know whether they could understand the Persians as they were Iranian as well speaking an Iranian language. What I don't understand is why do the actors look so Asian/Mongolian in that movie? Was that movie funded by a pro-turkic government to promote the falsification of history? Scythians were light-skinned, blonde Iranians.
😄 in your dream God created Adam and Eve also as Persians )) Where did nomad Scythians live? in Euroasian steppes. Where did Persians live? in modern day Iran. If we search for the grandchildren of the Scythians, we will find them somewhere in Central Asia and not in Tehran. Those nomads were a confederation of various tribes comming from different backgrounds, constantly moving and mixing. The term Turk as a selfdesignation of those nomads came on a later stage. No need to be racist )
@Kian - Unfortunately Central Asia have invaded by the Turkish belief that they have raped and forced them so that they descendents cannot be able to reclaim their ancestors belief and their own country and to this day their are still slave to the Arabic belief ....
I actually laugh at this movie. The director shows one of the best kings of the world(Cyrus the great) like a monster! They just change history for themself!
Казахи пьют кумыс с X-века до н.э. Кто не пьет кумыс тот не САК. Кочевники Турки с маленькими племенами раздолбали Византию, также и Кира в степи запросто.
Tomiris was Masagetae that from Greec mins big getians Tracian tribe like Getians Tiragetian Dacians Bitinians Medians Medobitinians place of Troia is located in Tracian land.
the proposal was dumb, you could tell they were just dancing and smiling. War doesn't look like this. Sure, for a movie, good fight scene. Not realistic. Doesn't mean its bad.
This is something new. When you do not really win, you can win history in the movie. I apologize, Cyrus the Great, it is clear where he belongs? But which country does Tomeris belong to? Iran has been Iran for thousands of years. They built several great empires, but who is Tomeris?
The Persians are a sedentary people, and the Sakas are a nomadic people. The Sakas were the first nomadic people, and the Kazakhs were the last nomadic people. The Saks did not have many cities, they rode on horseback in the steppes
@@asauosan9700 half the world. no baby they dont conquered anywhere . this is misrepresenting . Do not discredit yourself in front of the world with the lies you produce. The academic community does not believe these lies. just dont baby . ok ?
The Sakas were culturally similar to their neighbors (Sarmatians/Parthians/Sogdians). They left a helluva lot of writing behind especially in the Tocharians Buddhist era ( up to the Uyghur migration to the area). None of them were related to any Proto-Turkic languages...
Everyone in this scene should be dressed very colorfully, such a shame the costumes are so boring. Also these people should be Indo-European, why do most of them look Turkic lol?
they are Scythians - a few (depending of adopted connotation), Sarmatians - another few ( Tomiris might have been Sarmatian) and mostly they are Massagetae. - It is around 600 to 530 BC, nomadic Sarmatians and Massagetae, occupying today's: Ukraine, all of former Soviet southern republics and as far as eastern China, and were dressed in leader with (horse) bone scale armor and only their leaders, nobles and kings/queens had access to linens of different colors as the movie does show at 5:04; how do we know how they were dressed ? And why they look like "Turks" ? I wish you good luck to find out on your own the answer to your question/s. Studying History is very entertain and rewarding ! - those people known (an amalgamate) as "Scythians" were everything and were never, Celts/Gauls or Germans. They resembled nomadic types, with the Greeks mixed colonies of the Norther Black Sea shores, being over time (600 BC to 100 AD) more Mediterranean type, thus more white(ish). - there are also differences between Getae and Massagetae, with the former being reddish hair and greenish eyes (Herodotus) while the later more middle east Asians of sorts (Strabo***) ***edit: added Strabo.
@@krixpop the ordinary hides you speak off also had color, or would be beige or white, not boring brown. Even the piss poor Scandinavians nearly always had colored linen or flax, silly argument. As for the appearance, as you said, so not Asiatic, Eastern European to Middle Eastern, eg IndoEuropean
@@neutralfellow9736 I see... - on the matter at hand read Strabo Geographica (+/- 20 AD) download pdf here : ryanfb.github.io/loebolus-data/L049.pdf or/and Polyenus Stratagems of war (you have to buy it) even Jordanis is on ok-ish. (is a bit like you , for Jordy everything is German) www.thule-italia.org/Nordica/The%20Origin%20and%20Deeds%20Of%20The%20Goths.pdf - and even Theodor Mommsen's History of Rome has some mentions of what and how were the Sarmatians and Massagetae, he won in 1902 (!) the Nobel Prize in Literature for that. archive.org/details/bub_gb_CPEi8e9UDl8C ( scroll down, choose many ways of downloading) - but what all those great historians know ? Right ?! - I am Romanian, and my people were Getae 2000 years ago, their Capital City Sarmisegetusa (meaning the "Getae and Sarmatians together" ) can be still visited today. I own some Classical and Antic writers' books and red as much as possible since it gives me glimpses into my people's history. - MassaGetae (meaning; the greater Getae) and Getae (my people in East Europe) were related milenias ago. The likeness of some Sarmatians can be seen on the column of Trajan in Rome. Let me guess, you knew that, right ? - Anyway, have a great life, and read ! - not interested in this pointless conversation anymore !
Какой-то грек писал что саки разговаривали на фарси но это не точно, какие-то греки писали что скифы были европеойдные но это не точно. Почему? Грек увидил как сак разговаривал на фарси и подумал что все они болтают на фарси, второй грек встретил одно бледнолицое племя скифов и подумал сто все они белые. Никто не знает какие они были цвета разреза глаз и на каком языке болтали, это всё догадки. Я не уверен что Таргитай это персидское имя ибо уж больно звучит по тюркский
Не фарси,а северо-иранские языки коими являются памирские,пашту, осетинские,ясские,согдийские,бактрийские,хорезмийский (нине мёртвый язык) языки,ваханские и т.д.Ну да греки так долго жили в СА,а незнали языки???))Таргитай он же Тратэона (Таргамос) отец Ария, Тура и Сайрима.
@@AnDroid-ep2kn Я, в отличие от вас, интересуюсь исторической наукой. А вот стиль вашего вопроса выдаёт в вас не просто профана, но и весьма недалёкого человека.
@@НесторМахно-е5п Изменились и антрологические виды кочевников. Нарример,1000 лет назад в Анатолию пришли огузы монгольского происхождения. Огузы(тюрк) завоевали арабов, персов и европейцев, захватили их дочерей, женились на них и начали меняться.
@Ksjs Jdjdb "never" trust Wikipedia ?! seriously ?! You mean that the info in Wiki about Mattia Preti and his painting "Queen Tomyris and the head of Cyrus" is false ? And the immense amount of Art, Literature of Classical Antiquity, Imperial Rome, Medieval, etc, is false ? - ok then, how about Herodotus, "Histories" chapter 1 from paragraph 205 to 215 - approx. 450 BC - - 205. Now the ruler of the Massagetai was a woman, who was queen after the death of her husband, and her name was Tomyris. To her Cyrus sent and wooed her, pretending that he desired to have her for his wife: but Tomyris understanding that he was wooing not herself but rather the kingdom of the Massagetai, rejected his approaches: and Cyrus after this, as he made no progress by craft, marched to the Araxes, and proceeded to make an expedition openly against the Massagetai, forming bridges of boats over the river for his army to cross, and building towers upon the vessels which gave them passage across the river. (read further from "Histories" up to paragraph 215, ) - the detail that Herodotus gives over Tomyris in all 10 paragraphs are all in the movie and as accurate as possible !!! - Polyaenus, Strategems (of war), book 8, chapter 28 - 2nd-century AD - When Cyrus advanced against the Massagetae, Tomyris their queen retreated before him. The Persian army, closely pursuing her, entered and plundered her camp. There they found a great quantity of wine, and all sorts of provisions; on which they indulged immoderately, revelling throughout the night, as if they had obtained a victory. In that situation Tomyris attacked them, and cut them to pieces, while they were partly buried in sleep, and partly so drenched with wine, and surfeited with banqueting, that they could scarcely stand upright; and Cyrus himself was slain. [see also: Herodotus, however Herodotus attributes this ruse to Cyrus, not to Tomyris. ] - etc
@Ksjs Jdjdb - about "research" you didn't even bother to read the passages from Herodotus and Polyaenus that I gave you ? (I "smell" Turkish/Turkic propaganda, thus...) - Yes ! Absolutely I was wrong ! You are right ! You know better !!! You Win ! Everything is proto-Turkic !!! you guy awesome ! - 🧐
@Ksjs Jdjdb no they dont see look tatar people mostly look so indo-european, they are proto slavic pre turkic people, they are ancestor of caucasus people before turkic people came
Казахи пьют кумыс с X-века до н.э. Кто не пьет кумыс тот не САК. Кочевники Турки с маленькими племенами раздолбали Византию, также и Кира в степи запросто.
I am sacythains / pactyains desendent.We are now called Pathan,pakhtun,pashtun living in pakistan and afghanistan. .that time our languages called sakas know its called pashto or pakhtu.I am from yousafzai or esafzai or isafzai and tomiris from iskuzai or askuzai. Proud to be Pathan.
@@legionariodemilbatallas_57-62 De nada. Estos son pueblos antiguos que vivieron en el territorio de Kazajstán. Perdón por mi español, utilicé el traductor de Google.
Burst of envy and jealousy.It's a film about ancient ancestors of all Proto Turkic nations.The actors didn't even speak Qazaq.They had to learn the text in ancient Turkic Language. Why you can't enjoy the film?! If jealousy takes control over you, why you can't scrutinize the play of actors or production.If our ancestors were not brave and responsible , we , all of Turkics would not be here.Stop barking and biting each other. She is our common heritage.
The envy is palpable from Pan-Turks who shamelessly appropriate history from ancient Iranian nomadic tribes. Here's a challenge for you: In what way does "Tomyris" have meaning in any Turkic language? I'll be waiting.
@@rashnuofthegoldenscales4512 Казахи пьют кумыс с X-века до н.э. Кто не пьет кумыс тот не САК. Кочевники Турки с маленькими племенами раздолбали Византию, также и Кира в степи запросто.
In final battle against Cyrus the queen Tomiris got support with heavy armed cavalry from Lechistan. That's real history. We know that in Lechistan so called Poland now. Greetings for Masagots.
@Kuvvet karazehir sorry Lechistan and Lech dynasty is even in times of Julius Cesar. Julius gave is sister as wife for king Lech III and gave Bawaria land to Lechistan to prevent the war. Etc etc. No problem plenty diffrent sources, history is written by Vatican for at least 800 years. Good day
If our ancestors were not powerful , we would not be here.They had to be living between three hostile empires and surviving and keeping the ninth territory in the world for their descendants was not an easy thing.PS.We ruled Russia for 300 years .China and India.British Empire fought against Dely Sultanat, Moghols. Egypt was ruled by momlucs( kipchacs) Kutuz then Bei Bars.Welcome to history of Turkic nations: Turkey, Qazaqstan and many other nations of Central Asia.
Great movie, I have no words. The East is slowly waking up when it comes to making movies. All the best. I was especially impressed by actresses Almira and Aizhan. It would be nice for them to stay in their country and continue making other films, which will of course be better and better.
The scythians should wear colorful clothes not just brown but it's a great movie
The Kazakhs congratulate our brothers and our distant Hungary on this excellent film. The Huns spoke even only the Avars kipchak in Turkish and we Attila are the grandchildren of the King of the Huns. Huns and Hungaria are no accident. We are Huns too. Many wanted to break it, but we will not leave ourselves. We have not forgotten the steppe customs so I raise my right hand to my heart and greet you with a bow. Tomiris is the role model and heroine of all the people of the steppes who have stood up for the truth for more than 2,500 years and avenged the vile persecutions of the enemies of his family and people. We really can’t forget the brave masculine queen. Glory to her, for glory is due!
From the great Step I salute my brother descendands of Huns - the great warriors who ended the Rome, the great warriors who found their new home in a battle!
Haira Turan!!
Attila, Tomris, Oghuz Khan, and our other all leaders.. We have same blood. Hi to Kıpchak and Hun Turks from Oghuz Turks..
Victor we have the same ancestors. You became christians we became Muslims. Turks and Hungarians are brothers and sisters and have the same strong mentality.
@AP AP you say Tomiris was Iranian? I think you must stop drinking alcohol. Or are U using drugs?
Tomiris is one of the greatest ancestors of kazakh nation.
😂😂😂😂this was Iranian queen 😅😅😅not Kazakh my small child you did not know this people was ancient Iranian people who conqured central Asia many times😅😅😅😅😅😅
@talhaawan4919 you don't know history enough, she was head of massagetes. Massagetes had been living in Central Asia mostly. Read right historical resources.
@@freeworld_freeworld you did not know my small child this was Iranian saka people and lived in central Asia and destroyed the turks🤪🤪😜😜😜search in google chellange accepted search in RUclips this is Iranian saka people who ruled over your lands and queen tomiris was Iranian queen🤪🤪😜😜😜😜😜you did not know Iranian settled in central Asia and Kurds great empires conqured central Asia 🤪🤪😜😜😜why are you crying and wrong history tell me I am not child 😁😁😁😁great Irani people🤫🤫🤫💪
Kazakhstan had produced some very nice ancient war movies. Myn Bala and Kazakh Khanate: Diamond Sword were very nice movies too.
If you observe the actor who played role as Tiras was always seen in those films. I really want to know his name. He played a great character even though he is not the main character.
@@imantaqwa9957
I learned some Kazakh history and culture after watching some Kazakh historical movies. I loved historical movies as it let me understand the culture of that country and the people slightly better.
@@marvinfok65 Yes me too!! I'm not only interested in Kazakh country but like to observe all Turks Nation!! Their culture is really fascinating. I have watched many of Turks movies including Kazakh movies, Turkish movies. Beside that, I also love to hear Turks Songs from all Turks Nation such as Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Uiyghur, Altai, Turkey, Uzbekistan and others. I already can sing some of Turks Songs.
@@imantaqwa9957 Name of the actor who played Tiras- Ayan Otepbergen
So, this film is one of yours, isn't it?
One of the first steppe horse lords of the ancient world
"Marry Me."
That's one helluva Engagement Party...
Where's the social distancing? Someone must have laced the punch
I am a Indo-Scythian from North Western India
This was Iranian people in central asia😅😅😅😅
So Massagetae were Turks ? 😂
Turks were still in eastern mongolia, when central Asia was populated by Indo-Europeans. Iranians and others, but not the Turks.
Turkish logic is: nomad = turk
Which is bullshit as well
They was iranic? So why there is no iranic jn Kazakhstan?
@@ayjey6911 Doesnt have to be Iranic, there were many other indo european peoples there, do some research.
Казахи пьют кумыс с X-века до н.э. Кто не пьет кумыс тот не САК. Кочевники Турки с маленькими племенами раздолбали Византию, также и Кира в степи запросто.
Scythia cavalry archer
Yeh this was Iranian people😅
Tomris Hatun'un torunlarına selam olsun ⚔️🇹🇷🇦🇿🇰🇬🇹🇲🇰🇿🇺🇿
Why are you putting the Turkish flag? These ppl were Iranian
@@pippi2285 no. yes, there is a mixture, but Turkic tribes in Central Asia were also mixed with the Mongols. There are still more slanted Turkic people in Anatolia.
@@pippi2285 İskit ve sakalar iranlı degildir ve zaten kaynaklara bakarsan daha çok Türk kültürüne benzer
@Ksjs Jdjdb no
@@soner5221Turks didn't even exist until 1000 years later
Love the pointy hats
@Ksjs Jdjdb Bro the Sakas (like their neighbors the Sarmatians, Sogdians, Tocharians, Bactrians and Scythians) were still culturally Eastern Iranian at this time. When the Turkic people migrated Westwards outta Siberia they merged with many tribes while retaining the local customs.
@Ksjs Jdjdb Show me a paper that says this.
The Saka used to headbutt their enemies while wearing those pointy hats. The mortality rate from that was 90%. My source is that I made it the fuck up
The anchient persian army used to wear similar hats in battle
Massagetae were not asians, they were arians, sorry but they have nothing in common with the Kazakhs.
Who told you that, " clever"?
@@edwardtheking2983 I know that from my ancestors the getae.
would you then ban kazakhs to make movies and film anything? strange comments. would u claim americans not to film movies about ancient greeks or romans? massagetes lived on the lands of modern kazakhs so why not?
@Ksjs Jdjdb yes they are proto ukrainian people
@Ksjs Jdjdb they are pure caucasian or caucasoid people not mix with mongoloid people
Never send marriage proposal to a Scythian😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This battle occured three weeks ago today in Kazakhstan
😂😂😂😂👍
Привет оть туркмены братья казахи мы очень рады видеть етот историю
Прикол в том,что тюрки не имеют никакого отношения к Томирис и массагетам
@@atlantic2006 да, разбыли и не раз,притом Чубина разбыл союз тюркского каганата, Византии и хазар.Теперь насчёт парфян,с каких пор парфяне (пахлави в оригинале) стали тюрками??? Насчёт алан ,почитай как и почему кыпчаки предали алан!Эфталиты (Хайтали на оригинале) относятся к иранским гуннам, Есть такой термин в науке хуна (от авестийского Хвана) означающий иранские гунны, к которым относятся эфталиты, кидариты, хиониты ,алхоны и незак(прямые их потомки это пуштуны).Теперь насчёт Кушан вот текст Рабатакской надписи ( Авганистан) написанный на языке кушан (юэчжи, тохары,асси и т.д.) ,т.е.северо-восточном иранском:
Канишка Кошан раштог ладейго хоазаоарго Баг-Канишка Кушан-праведный справедливый самодержавец Бог.
Зного киди асо Нана одо асо ойспоан ми Багано-Достойный поклонения получивший царство от Наны и от всех Богов.
И шаодано абордо киди иог Хшоно-Учредивший первый год календаря.
Нобасто сгонди Багано синдадо отейя-Как повелели Боги.
И Ионагго оасо озоасто тадейя Ариао остадо-Издал этот греческий эдикт и переложил его затем на Арийский....и т.д.
А вот насчёт скифов ,современник и непосредственно знакомый с ними, сарматами и парфянами Аммиан Марцеллин:"все они"[про алан] становятся вследствии многообразных упражнений великолепными воинами.
Поэтому-то и персы,будучи скифского происхождения, весьма опытны в военном деле"."Римская история" книга X XXI гл.2.абз.17-25.
Это специально для тебя,просвещайся...
@@farna497 тут показан фильм истинных казахов не тюрков
@@farna497 имеют
@@esteeshin думаю он таджик и верит что Томирис была персом как иранцы думают 🤣
So this means Amazons undoubtably did exist?
It is funny to watch the angry reaction of the Iranians to this movie. I guess they are not up to date with modern genetic and anthropological studies on remains from kurgans in Kazakhstan, which show a gradual transition of the originally Iranic Sakas (Eastern Scythians) towards mixed and then Asian composition in terms of their appearance and genetics. This transition took place between 1000 AD and 300AD. By the end of this process the Sakas were assimilated by the incoming Hunnic and Turkic peoples coming from the East. Facial reconstruction shows predominantly Asian appearance in the Altai and Siberian Sakas by 700-500 AD. The genomes of modern-day Kazakhs are about 1/3 Indo-European/Scythian (or even earlier Botai culture), 1/3 Turkic and 1/3 Mongol and this reflects very well the history of the nomads who lived in the Great Steppe in Kazakhstan for thousands of years. Thus, Kazakhs are entitled to make this movie about their ancestors - as these Sakas were our ancestors, not of modern day Iranians. Moreover, Sakas constantly fought with Persians and looked very different from them. Persians themselves portrayed them as very different from themselves on the relief frescos on the walls of Persepolis. Persians are pictures with curvy hair and beards and narrow faces whereas as Sakas are always pictured with straight/wavy hair, almond-shaped eyes and raised cheek bones. Kazakhs preserved the original way of life and even clothing of the Scythians for hundreds of years. So, the brave nomad queen Tomiris is OUR heroine and not the one for the Persians! She herself would not want to be counted as a Persian for sure...
I understand, A Turkic nomad queen beheads the greatest king of Persia, Well thats a hard pill for Persian to swallow ))
Tomyris is a story that Herodotus HEARD and even he himself says so
He also says that there are several other stories about his death and he has written the one that he liked the most but still he isn't sure about it
If you perused this story and think about it, you'll find lots of errors and that it's not logical
Like how can one Scythian tribe fight an army ? How many people lived in a Scythian tribe in 530 BC ? Let's say 5,000 max considering all men, women, children and elders
Cyrus had at least 50,000 soldiers just after he conquered Medes, not to mention that this is a story about his last years of life
That means he gained way more experience and his army was battle hardened since they were fighting powerful empires in open battles while having less soldiers
And they always won
Medes :
Battle of Hyrba
Battle of the Persian border
Siege/Battle of Pasargadae hill
Lydians :
Pteria
Thymbra
Siege of Opis
Conquest of Ionia (this counts as Harpagus and his soldiers victory but still an important experience)
Babylonians :
Battle of Opis
He even had 10,000 immortals which were trained to fight, survive and kill since they were 5 or 7
Now how can such large and battle hardened army with such experienced soldiers be defeated by 5000 Nomad Scythians who had no experience in large battles despite being great warriors, defeat him and his army in an open battle ?
When Darius the great invaded Scythian lands after the death of Cambyses, from central asia to the north of the black sea, non of the tribes dared to fight despite being tens of tribes there if not hundreds
They ran away or submitted
And they say one tribe defeated the Achaemenid army of Cyrus ?
All of these aside, non of the other ancient Historians talk about Tomyris and her tribe
Some even say he died in peace in his palace in Pasargadae like Xenophon or some Roman historians after him
The most accurate one however, is Ctesias story which is from the Royal inscripts
He lived in the fifth century BC, was physician to the Achaemenid king of kings, Artaxerxes II
He says Cyrus the great fought Derbices (some Iranian people) in Hyrcania (around and beyond Alborz mountains) and won but died 3 days after his victory because he was wounded in battle
He also explains how the battle went
Derbices had allied with some Indian forces and even had war elephants which is why they could surround Cyrus's cavalry and cause him to fall off his horse
One of the Indian soldiers wounded him with a javelin but his men were able to save him
Meanwhile, a Scythian king (I forgot his name) who served as a commander in Cyrus's army comes to his aid with a force of 20,000 soldiers and together with the Achaemenids they break the surrounding and defeat the Derbices
In the end Cyrus lost 10,000 men while Derbices lost 30,000 along with their king (I don't remember his name) and his two sons
(This was the most complete version of Ctesias's story about Cyrus's death that i've read)
This makes more sense even more since Derbices were the people of a region not just one tribe so they had enough manpower for an army and had even allied with Indian forces
They probably revolted against Cyrus because they were conquered ever since Cyrus defeated the Medes
Plus every territories near the Median empire that Scythians were living in were already conquered by Cyrus
You can take a look at the map of the Achaemenid empire during Cyrus's reign
@@veyselturan6916 Tomyris is a story that Herodotus HEARD and even he himself says so
He also says that there are several other stories about his death and he has written the one that he liked the most but still he isn't sure about it
If you perused this story and think about it, you'll find lots of errors and that it's not logical
Like how can one Scythian tribe fight an army ? How many people lived in a Scythian tribe in 530 BC ? Let's say 5,000 max considering all men, women, children and elders
Cyrus had at least 50,000 soldiers just after he conquered Medes, not to mention that this is a story about his last years of life
That means he gained way more experience and his army was battle hardened since they were fighting powerful empires in open battles while having less soldiers
And they always won
Medes :
Battle of Hyrba
Battle of the Persian border
Siege/Battle of Pasargadae hill
Lydians :
Pteria
Thymbra
Siege of Opis
Conquest of Ionia (this counts as Harpagus and his soldiers victory but still an important experience)
Babylonians :
Battle of Opis
He even had 10,000 immortals which were trained to fight, survive and kill since they were 5 or 7
Now how can such large and battle hardened army with such experienced soldiers be defeated by 5000 Nomad Scythians who had no experience in large battles despite being great warriors, defeat him and his army in an open battle ?
When Darius the great invaded Scythian lands after the death of Cambyses, from central asia to the north of the black sea, non of the tribes dared to fight despite being tens of tribes there if not hundreds
They ran away or submitted
And they say one tribe defeated the Achaemenid army of Cyrus ?
All of these aside, non of the other ancient Historians talk about Tomyris and her tribe
Some even say he died in peace in his palace in Pasargadae like Xenophon or some Roman historians after him
The most accurate one however, is Ctesias story which is from the Royal inscripts
He lived in the fifth century BC, was physician to the Achaemenid king of kings, Artaxerxes II
He says Cyrus the great fought Derbices (some Iranian people) in Hyrcania (around and beyond Alborz mountains) and won but died 3 days after his victory because he was wounded in battle
He also explains how the battle went
Derbices had allied with some Indian forces and even had war elephants which is why they could surround Cyrus's cavalry and cause him to fall off his horse
One of the Indian soldiers wounded him with a javelin but his men were able to save him
Meanwhile, a Scythian king (I forgot his name) who served as a commander in Cyrus's army comes to his aid with a force of 20,000 soldiers and together with the Achaemenids they break the surrounding and defeat the Derbices
In the end Cyrus lost 10,000 men while Derbices lost 30,000 along with their king (I don't remember his name) and his two sons
(This was the most complete version of Ctesias's story about Cyrus's death that i've read)
This makes more sense even more since Derbices were the people of a region not just one tribe so they had enough manpower for an army and had even allied with Indian forces
They probably revolted against Cyrus because they were conquered ever since Cyrus defeated the Medes
Plus every territories near the Median empire that Scythians were living in were already conquered by Cyrus
You can take a look at the map of the Achaemenid empire during Cyrus's reign
@@veyselturan6916 you are trying hard to create history ,your source ,Herodotus!!!!!clowns
@@sorenora3219And who is your source of information? If we take out all the ppl who wrote history, then there will be no history left at all.
Потрясный фильм Томирис сняли казахи респект им всем рекомендую посмотреть
А разве не должны быть светлые волосы? И сако-массагеты ни разу не азиаты
@@timothymikaelson2646 Скифы в целом, и массагеты в частности, относятся к индо-европейским народам, населявшим в древности всю Евразию до окраин Китая включительно. Казахи, как и многие народы, обретшие государственность после распада империи, пытаются обосновать древность своего происхождения и причастность к не имеющим к ним прямого отношения событиям древности. Это больше политика, чем историческая правда, и относиться к данной продукции следует именно как к разалекательному кинцу, не более того!
@@НесторМахно-е5п Почему у вас все заканчивается национализмом и шовинизмом?! Никто не говорит что она казашка.Она представительница всех Тюрков, Прото Тюрк.Тюрки всегда жили в Центральной Азии, как бы вам не хотелось впихнуть сюда персов , ваших родных.Вы ведь за них как за родного отца заступаетесь.Если все были персами зачем они затеяли эту войну?! Почему вы не возмущаетесь Голливуду который сняли фильм про Анну Болейн с чернокожей актрисой в главной роли.Англо Саксом пикнуть не смеете сидя на коленях перед ними успеваете оскалить зубы всем Тюркам по старой привычке.Если жаба душет пусть задушет вас.
@@edwardtheking2983 Вы несёте какую-то дичь! Изучайте историю не по своим национальным источникам, а почитайте разных авторов. Тюрки, точнее тюркюты, появились в прикаспийских степях не ранее пятого века нашей эры и не являются потомками скифов от слова совсем. Так что национализм и шовинизм - ваши коньки, на которых вы пытаетесь неумело ездить!
@@НесторМахно-е5п Я англичанин.Как раз я изучал историю по мировым источникам.Это вы все стараетесь сделать все как вам нравится. Так заврались что ложь от истины не можете отличить.Visit British Museum and other educational places If you can't afford to study at British Universities. No need to be nervous and furious , You are not in the WW3.Learn to debate as educated man.We are not talking about " krepostnoie pravo" Just calm down or you need someone to make you down.
Awesome, awesome movie.
The Scythians are Iranians, and this war of two brothers has nothing to do with Kazakhstan🤫🤫
Казахи пьют кумыс с X-века до н.э. Кто не пьет кумыс тот не САК. Кочевники Турки с маленькими племенами раздолбали Византию, также и Кира в степи запросто.
Amazing Movie👏
The Legendery Turkish Queen. Our history books tell her brave and beauty. Hi to Kıpchak Turks from Oghuz Turks...
Thank you for supporting us brother!!!
Turkishs came from Oghuz-turkmens not Kazakhstan area
@Ksjs Jdjdb the scythians were Iranians
@Ksjs Jdjdb actually crimean Tatars may have more Scythian which can reach up to 40%
Siberian Turks (Tuvans, Khakassians, Altais & Yakutians) are resembles as Mongols
Тюрки, в гениральных строжениях никогда не использоваль шиты как европейцы. Так как считалась , прятаясь за щитом вой не выкладывался на все сто. Без щита он был проворным и сторался выжить, а выжить можно было только победив врага.
Щиты латы .пришли от кочевников .рыцарство в Европу. Тяжёлая конница тюркского каганата
Это же фильм что же теперь показвать мужика в лаптях и с дубинкой кричащие любо во многих голливудских фильмах сражаются в доспехах от кутюр
The 99 % comments doesnt know about tomiris.What a shame.Called a history fake.Some time later they will also doubt on their father. I am tomiris decendent we are now called pakhtun,pashtun,pathans living in Pakistan ,afghanistan.Our language that time is called sakas now pashto or pakhtu.My tribe name is yousafzai or isafzai or esafzai while she is askuzai or iskozai.
You are out brothers and sisters.i'm from Dahistan(Land of the Dacians and getae) nowadays is called Romania
@Ksjs Jdjdb Bro,I dont jealous.I love turk more than any other caste.Pashtun and turk history mostly intermix because in older time the region is called khurasan turk and pashtun tribes lives together than move on.Western and hindu destory our pashtun history by writting fake books.Even they write my tribe name yousafzai a turk.which is completely wrong.we are brother asa muslim.By the way why i can be jealous of turks.we pashtun are world most powerful caste.No one still born to defeat pashtun.Even we help ottamon in last times.You know Abdul rehman peshawari he is pashtun.if you are true turk you would know him.We pashtun are also called afghan,Pathan,pakhtun.Prophet muhammad saw give us title Pathan when we help arabs to conquerer makkah.Prophet (saw) said they are only caste who will secure my religion a word by word till day of judgement.Ancient turks are true muslim but now you became secular.Evan adopt european culture and change religion.Even we pashtun feel very sad for this.....
@Ksjs Jdjdb they were Iranians
Tajiks are adapted in Turkic Nations although were same as Afghans
Да вы все индусы бывшие
Lmao. First of all, the notion that Cyrus the Great was killed by Tomyris was propagated by Herodotus: a man who said Pharaoh Khufu pimped out his daughters to build the Pyramids and that the semen of African and Indian men were "black" like their skin.
Xenophon on the other hand; a guy who wrote a biography on Cyrus the Great, says that he died peacefully, on his bed. And since Xenophon, unlike Herodotus, had actually interacted with the Achaemenid Persians, I'm inclined to believe him.
As for this movie scene...the Scythians were in fact deadly as missile cavalry (much like the Parthians who decimated the Romans at Carrhae) but when confronted in melee combat, especially against the Heavy Cataphracts (who managed to cut through Alexander's Macedonian Phalanx like butter) employed by the Achaemenid Persians, these dudes would be utterly annihilated.
Also fun fact: Scythia was conquered by the Achaemenid Persians under Darius the Great.
Nicely put. I wonder why they like to suppress Iranians on a fictitious basis for their own propaganda.
I also wanted to add that the scythians/masaggets were an Indo-Iranian people, while they are portrayed having Mongolian features in this narrative!
@Ksjs Jdjdb
No they were not Turkic. Lol.
They literally inhabited the Caucasus Mountains and modern-day Ukraine-Russia.
There is a lot of dispute concerning the death of Cyrus, but you are confused. Xenophon himself described his book about Cyrus (Cyropaedia) as a political romance and did not intend it to be history. Historians in general tend to agree with Herodotus about Cyrus' death. Also, at this point, the use of cataphracts was extremely rare. This is one of the movie's historical inaccuracies, the armor of the khwarezmians (chorasmians). The scythians and specifically the massagetae were better equipped at the time, which is why they won agains the persians. And no, cutting through the macedonian phalanx is not possible, even for a cataphract. No horse would run straight into a line of pikes. Encircling them is the only way to beat them, which is why the macedonians employed a unit called hypaspists to protect the flanks of the phalanx.
@Ksjs Jdjdb you are the one who needs to some research. The first turkic peoples settled in anatolia somewhat 1700 years after the events of this movie. Just asking, what country do you come from?
@Ksjs Jdjdb ok, we will do this the long way. Do you now what tribe tomyris comes from and what empire cyrus the great rules? These are some characters in the movie. Please answer to this questions and this questions alone.
I'm really sorry for the director of this film. Because he himself said that the historical source of this film was Herodotus, but we see in the film that many parts of the film have no historical source at all and are more imagination than reality. For example, we see in a part of the film The queen's eldest son goes to Babylon with his father and is killed in an attack there. but this is NOT true because of he was captured by the army of the Achaemenid empire in the first fight between Massagetaes and Achaemenid . at the Tomiris's request for his release from Cyrus the Great, he was released , but because he is ashamed of captivity, he kills himself.
There are at least a dozen interpretation of this story - so just take it a as a story.
Tomyris is a story that Herodotus HEARD and even he himself says so
He also says that there are several other stories about his death and he has written the one that he liked the most but still he isn't sure about it
If you perused this story and think about it, you'll find lots of errors and that it's not logical
Like how can one Scythian tribe fight an army ? How many people lived in a Scythian tribe in 530 BC ? Let's say 5,000 max considering all men, women, children and elders
Cyrus had at least 50,000 soldiers just after he conquered Medes, not to mention that this is a story about his last years of life
That means he gained way more experience and his army was battle hardened since they were fighting powerful empires in open battles while having less soldiers
And they always won
Medes :
Battle of Hyrba
Battle of the Persian border
Siege/Battle of Pasargadae hill
Lydians :
Pteria
Thymbra
Siege of Opis
Conquest of Ionia (this counts as Harpagus and his soldiers victory but still an important experience)
Babylonians :
Battle of Opis
He even had 10,000 immortals which were trained to fight, survive and kill since they were 5 or 7
Now how can such large and battle hardened army with such experienced soldiers be defeated by 5000 Nomad Scythians who had no experience in large battles despite being great warriors, defeat him and his army in an open battle ?
When Darius the great invaded Scythian lands after the death of Cambyses, from central asia to the north of the black sea, non of the tribes dared to fight despite being tens of tribes there if not hundreds
They ran away or submitted
And they say one tribe defeated the Achaemenid army of Cyrus ?
All of these aside, non of the other ancient Historians talk about Tomyris and her tribe
Some even say he died in peace in his palace in Pasargadae like Xenophon or some Roman historians after him
The most accurate one however, is Ctesias story which is from the Royal inscripts
He lived in the fifth century BC, was physician to the Achaemenid king of kings, Artaxerxes II
He says Cyrus the great fought Derbices (some Iranian people) in Hyrcania (around and beyond Alborz mountains) and won but died 3 days after his victory because he was wounded in battle
He also explains how the battle went
Derbices had allied with some Indian forces and even had war elephants which is why they could surround Cyrus's cavalry and cause him to fall off his horse
One of the Indian soldiers wounded him with a javelin but his men were able to save him
Meanwhile, a Scythian king (I forgot his name) who served as a commander in Cyrus's army comes to his aid with a force of 20,000 soldiers and together with the Achaemenids they break the surrounding and defeat the Derbices
In the end Cyrus lost 10,000 men while Derbices lost 30,000 along with their king (I don't remember his name) and his two sons
(This was the most complete version of Ctesias's story about Cyrus's death that i've read)
This makes more sense even more since Derbices were the people of a region not just one tribe so they had enough manpower for an army and had even allied with Indian forces
They probably revolted against Cyrus because they were conquered ever since Cyrus defeated the Medes
Plus every territories near the Median empire that Scythians were living in were already conquered by Cyrus
You can take a look at the map of the Achaemenid empire during Cyrus's reign
Казахи пьют кумыс с X-века до н.э. Кто не пьет кумыс тот не САК. Кочевники турки с маленькими племенами раздолбали Византию, также и Кира в степи запросто.
@@manarbekbaieke4523Type in English
@@ramtin5152 Kazakhs have been drinking koumiss since the 10th century BC. Who does not drink koumiss is not a SAK. Nomadic Turks with small tribes crushed Byzantium, as well as Cyrus in the steppe easily.
@@manarbekbaieke4523 There are several accounts about Cyrus death and other historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe
While Tomyris story might be the most famous one, it's not the most accurate one
The most accurate story about his death is the one that Ctesias said
Ctesias said he fought the Derbices and won but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of the battle and that's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and way closer than Central Asia and unlike Massagetaes, who lived in tribes, they lived in a region and had way more manpower than Scythians
Meaning, they had enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000
Plus, Ctesias worked at Artaxerxes II royal court and that means he had access to the Achaemenid sources
He even mentioned the number of casualties of both sides and the number of Cyrus reinforcements
Take a look at Cyrus conquest map on Google
@@ramtin5152 I have to disappoint you, ctesias is not the most trustworty source. In fact ancient and modern scholars highly criticise his account. Its true in fact, that Heredotus only tells us what he has seen or heard, thus this means he is as realiable as the storys he got told.
I dont want argue about how cyrus died. What I only want to make clear is, that the preference of one source does not give us the truth. And that ctesias is not reliable. In fact Berossus claims, that Cyrus died in Battle agianst the dahae, people who are related to the massagets.
And about your numbers. The size of an army, or the sucess an army has had previous to an engagement, does not say anything about the likeliness of a victory. The greek city states, or the macedonians defeated bigger persian armys despite being outnumber. This victories were possible becouse of the advantage in military technic. The phalanx beats the persian tactic. And this is the same with the fighting style of the nomadic horse archers. Crassus lost against the parthic empire because of the parthian horse archers. Sometimes its not the army size that matters, its the technic and tactics. And dont undererstimate the fighting experience of nomdaic people, because those horse nomads were for ages highly skilled and dangerous enemies for different empires.
By the time they meet in battle the horses will be exhausted! 😆
Ты нечего не знаешь о степных конях
Томирис түркі халықтарының анасы. Томирис түркі халықтарының тарихы. Оны ешкім жоққа шығара алмайды. Өте керемет кино.
¡La clásica pero mortalmente perfecta emboscada! ¿Cuántos ejércitos no habrán sucumbido así ante un enemigo en franca desbandada? Me recordó las películas en que los "pieles rojas" se la aplicaban al "Cuerpo de caballería del ejército estadounidense." >>> The classic but deadly perfect ambush! How many armies have not thus succumbed to an enemy in outright rout? It reminded me of movies in which the "Redskins" applied it to the "US Army Cavalry Corps."
Y muchas de esas maniobras las inventaron los verdaderos Masaktiyas o "Masagetas"
Who are the good guys in this fight
@@quidradiobyzendirh.6174 ¿Sabía que los israelitas del tiempo de Josué, el sucesor de Moisés, se la aplicaron a una ciudad llamada Hai?
@@legionariodemilbatallas_57-62 Claro, en el libro de Josué viene algo así. Sin embargo yo hablo de el contraataque a caballo y disparando flechas hacia atrás: esa si es la invención específica de esos pueblos ¡Y un maniobra muy cansada de hacer!
@@quidradiobyzendirh.6174 Si disparamos flechas hacia atrás estamos cubriendo nuestra retirada organizada o no, prevista o no. Y si tenemos el suficiente apoyo tras la retaguardia de quien nos pida los talones, es como tener una pelota inflable de playa en medio de dos erizos de mar 🤫
I can't believe I watched this whole crappy movie
That makes two of us. Had to wash my eyes with chlorine. This is what happens when Pan-Turks put their delusions on tape.
@Kuvvet karazehir Jealous of made-up history? What a funny little boy you are. You probably have imaginary friends too.
@Kuvvet karazehir Learn proper English before you speak to adults, child.
Это походу вы в дерьме и глаза ваши зашорены дерьмом
The Ottoman Turks did not exist as an independent state and state 600 years ago, and then slowly began to attack and kill as a small group of thugs from a corner of Turkey with unarmed and defenseless civilians in the surrounding cities. And Suleiman the Magnificent attacked Istanbul after the brutal massacre of the people of Constantinople (present-day Istanbul). At the time of the Persian Emperor (Iran), the Turkish and Ottoman governments were nowhere to be found, and Turkey was part of the Persian (Iranian) Empire. And the Persian Empire 2,500 years ago was a great empire that ruled half of the world. The Persian Empire, respectively: Medes, Achaemenids, Seleucids, Parthians, Sassanids ... and continues to this day
To bad the Ottoman Empire crumbled and the Persian Empire even earlier....
Ahahhahha why iranic always crying?
@@ugurkurshad May be "kourosh" works in a kitchen and slices onions all day !
@@arthurpozner7701 Maybe, bro. This reason is very interesting. If iranic people knew that they obey to onion for all day
Istanbul was Suleiman the Magnificent' s CAPITAL CITY. Learn History carefully and thoroughly. Interesting Why the whole world wishes we were not here.But we are here , Turkic nations from Balkans to Sakhalin you like it or not.We dont care.It's your problem if you can't accept it.Go home and cry silently.
The Scythians are truly impressive people. I would love to know whether they could understand the Persians as they were Iranian as well speaking an Iranian language. What I don't understand is why do the actors look so Asian/Mongolian in that movie? Was that movie funded by a pro-turkic government to promote the falsification of history? Scythians were light-skinned, blonde Iranians.
😄 in your dream God created Adam and Eve also as Persians ))
Where did nomad Scythians live? in Euroasian steppes. Where did Persians live? in modern day Iran.
If we search for the grandchildren of the Scythians, we will find them somewhere in Central Asia and not in Tehran.
Those nomads were a confederation of various tribes comming from different backgrounds, constantly moving and mixing. The term Turk as a selfdesignation of those nomads came on a later stage. No need to be racist )
Sakas themselves were somewhat asiatic admixed. Somewhere around 40% (Tasmola Culture). Some Pazyryk mummies are also slightly asiatic looking.
Oh no, butter armor
Tuvans are Scythians too
Turkish warrior Queen... so badass in history :)
@Kian - why there is no iranic in Kazakhstan?
stupid ! Massagaetae was Iranic
@Kian - Unfortunately Central Asia have invaded by the Turkish belief that they have raped and forced them so that they descendents cannot be able to reclaim their ancestors belief and their own country and to this day their are still slave to the Arabic belief ....
@@ayjey6911you came to existence 1000 years later buddy sorry to late ...
İranic women worrior yes Turks came 1000 years later
Turks = no ancient history
Just panturkism and an Albanian gay Jewish guy faking history
🇰🇿♥️turkic queen
The Massagetae were iranic
tomiris hatun🇰🇿😉
@@Error111 🇹🇷♥️🇰🇿
I just farted so deep to this ... Yeah you came 1000 years later from Mongolia
I actually laugh at this movie.
The director shows one of the best kings of the world(Cyrus the great) like a monster! They just change history for themself!
Великий без башки
Все великие завоеватели мира сейчас лежат на земле не больше двух метров.Всем великим когда нибудь приходит конец!
@@ТалгатЕрубаев-ш4жmy big in your mother but it has a big head also 😂😂😂
Good movie but its a fantasy movie not a historicall
It's a movie, a historical movie.not documentary.If you are searching fof facts you have to be a historian.
@@edwardtheking2983 Its not even a historicall movie it have nothing to do with historia
Tüm Türk milletine selam olsun 🇹🇷🇰🇬🇰🇿🇦🇿🇹🇲🇺🇿🇭🇺
The massagatae are Iranian nomads. Here it’s shown as if they are Turkic
Кто не пьет кумыс и хаому, тот не Сак и не массагет .
massagetae were iranian people
In your dreams. One thing is for sure she wasn't Ivanov which makes you angry and jealous.
@@edwardtheking2983 No need to dream, it's the academic consensus. Try reading an actual book for once in your life.
Казахи пьют кумыс с X-века до н.э. Кто не пьет кумыс тот не САК. Кочевники Турки с маленькими племенами раздолбали Византию, также и Кира в степи запросто.
Tomiris was Masagetae that from Greec mins big getians Tracian tribe like Getians Tiragetian Dacians Bitinians Medians Medobitinians place of Troia is located in Tracian land.
Too unrealistic for me.
the proposal was dumb, you could tell they were just dancing and smiling. War doesn't look like this. Sure, for a movie, good fight scene. Not realistic. Doesn't mean its bad.
@Ksjs Jdjdb the scene with him asking for him to marry her. The choreography looks like a dance routine. Believe what you want. I dont care
lots of turning back to opponent and no pommel throwing? Now thats soldering!
GREAT TURK WOMAN WARRIOR and EMPEROR!
TENGRİ BİZ MENEN.
She was iranian. Indo-European.
Что за фильм?
Томирис
Who is fighting whom?
This is something new. When you do not really win, you can win history in the movie. I apologize, Cyrus the Great, it is clear where he belongs? But which country does Tomeris belong to? Iran has been Iran for thousands of years. They built several great empires, but who is Tomeris?
The Persians are a sedentary people, and the Sakas are a nomadic people.
The Sakas were the first nomadic people, and the Kazakhs were the last nomadic people.
The Saks did not have many cities, they rode on horseback in the steppes
The next generation of Sakas, the Huns and the Turks, were very strong warriors.
conquered half the world.
Cyrus, Darius, and Alexander the Great were defeated by the Scythians.
@@asauosan9700 half the world. no baby they dont conquered anywhere . this is misrepresenting . Do not discredit yourself in front of the world with the lies you produce. The academic community does not believe these lies. just dont baby . ok ?
@@alexiariete7456 Hun Empire, Turkic khanate,seljuk empire, osman emperie, sefevit,Atila, chingishan,amir temir,
Grand Daughter of "Alp Er Tunga" Tomris/Tomyrs Khatun is a Turkic (Saka Turk) she was also the first female ruler of the world.
The Sakas were culturally similar to their neighbors (Sarmatians/Parthians/Sogdians). They left a helluva lot of writing behind especially in the Tocharians Buddhist era ( up to the Uyghur migration to the area). None of them were related to any Proto-Turkic languages...
@@markiec8914 Saka's are originally from the Altai Area which is also the birth place of the Turkic People.
@@Tengri_CODwtf 😂😂🤣 you came late mongol 1000 years later
Turkiy xalqlarnig onasi Tumaris
Фантастика .
Скорее фэнтези.
fake kazak history movie again ? I'm done
Well done if you're done. It serves you right!!! Nobody will notice the hole .
Everyone in this scene should be dressed very colorfully, such a shame the costumes are so boring.
Also these people should be Indo-European, why do most of them look Turkic lol?
they are Scythians - a few (depending of adopted connotation), Sarmatians - another few ( Tomiris might have been Sarmatian) and mostly they are Massagetae.
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It is around 600 to 530 BC, nomadic Sarmatians and Massagetae, occupying today's: Ukraine, all of former Soviet southern republics and as far as eastern China, and were dressed in leader with (horse) bone scale armor and only their leaders, nobles and kings/queens had access to linens of different colors as the movie does show at 5:04;
how do we know how they were dressed ?
And why they look like "Turks" ?
I wish you good luck to find out on your own the answer to your question/s.
Studying History is very entertain and rewarding !
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those people known (an amalgamate) as "Scythians" were everything and were never, Celts/Gauls or Germans. They resembled nomadic types, with the Greeks mixed colonies of the Norther Black Sea shores, being over time (600 BC to 100 AD) more Mediterranean type, thus more white(ish).
- there are also differences between Getae and Massagetae, with the former being reddish hair and greenish eyes (Herodotus) while the later more middle east Asians of sorts (Strabo***)
***edit: added Strabo.
@@krixpop the ordinary hides you speak off also had color, or would be beige or white, not boring brown. Even the piss poor Scandinavians nearly always had colored linen or flax, silly argument. As for the appearance, as you said, so not Asiatic, Eastern European to Middle Eastern, eg IndoEuropean
@@neutralfellow9736
I see...
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on the matter at hand read Strabo Geographica (+/- 20 AD)
download pdf here :
ryanfb.github.io/loebolus-data/L049.pdf
or/and Polyenus Stratagems of war (you have to buy it)
even Jordanis is on ok-ish.
(is a bit like you , for Jordy everything is German)
www.thule-italia.org/Nordica/The%20Origin%20and%20Deeds%20Of%20The%20Goths.pdf
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and even Theodor Mommsen's History of Rome has some mentions of what and how were the Sarmatians and Massagetae, he won in 1902 (!) the Nobel Prize in Literature for that.
archive.org/details/bub_gb_CPEi8e9UDl8C
( scroll down, choose many ways of downloading)
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but what all those great historians know ?
Right ?!
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I am Romanian, and my people were Getae 2000 years ago, their Capital City
Sarmisegetusa (meaning the "Getae and Sarmatians together" ) can be still visited today.
I own some Classical and Antic writers' books and red as much as possible since it gives me glimpses into my people's history.
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MassaGetae (meaning; the greater Getae) and Getae (my people in East Europe) were related milenias ago.
The likeness of some Sarmatians can be seen on the column of Trajan in Rome.
Let me guess, you knew that, right ?
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Anyway, have a great life, and read !
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not interested in this pointless conversation anymore !
@Ksjs Jdjdb What you are stating is pseudohistory, historiography is pretty clear that they were Indo European. cope harder nationalist
@Ksjs Jdjdb Herodotus never uttered the word turkic lol, you are a liar and nationalist, read actual history books instead of nationalist forum posts
Какой-то грек писал что саки разговаривали на фарси но это не точно, какие-то греки писали что скифы были европеойдные но это не точно.
Почему?
Грек увидил как сак разговаривал на фарси и подумал что все они болтают на фарси, второй грек встретил одно бледнолицое племя скифов и подумал сто все они белые.
Никто не знает какие они были цвета разреза глаз и на каком языке болтали, это всё догадки.
Я не уверен что Таргитай это персидское имя ибо уж больно звучит по тюркский
Не фарси,а северо-иранские языки коими являются памирские,пашту, осетинские,ясские,согдийские,бактрийские,хорезмийский (нине мёртвый язык) языки,ваханские и т.д.Ну да греки так долго жили в СА,а незнали языки???))Таргитай он же Тратэона (Таргамос) отец Ария, Тура и Сайрима.
@@farna497
Ну ты гониш, потомки Массагетов, Саков, Скифов, Гунов, Сарматов, Тюрков, Кыпчаков это все нынешные Казахи, Кыргызы, Узбеки, Туркмены, Татары, Башкурты, Чуваши, Каракалпаки, Уйгуры, Ногайцы, Карачайцы, Балкары, Кумыки, Аварцы, Азербайджанцы, Алтайцы, Тувинцы, Якуты, Буряты, Болгарцы 50%, Венгерцы 70%, Гагаузы, Турция 80%, Сирия 30%, Иран 40%, Таджики 40%, Китай 20%. Все они называются тюркскими народами.
@@yergunkultekin5413 молодец, садись два))
Темиркис тоже похоже на тюрское имя
Все спорят что казахи и тюрки не имеют отношения к массагетам. Конусообразные головные уборы казахов и киргизов вам ничего не говорит 😂
Turkic power 💪⚡⚡💪
Gog and Magog
What movie?
Tomiris kino
what is the tittle of this movie
Tomiris 2019
At least the dialogue was easy to write
Rkkprrrrddrrrkk rrriibissshhh vroom vroom😂
So romantic
The Amazons, ladies and gentlemen.
Опять казахи в образе теперь скифами стали
Не завидую!
удачи тебе✊🏼
Тұз шайна шшс
Узбексынба
@2:00 The formation is... well enjoy
She complimented his gooch?
😆 What did she say at 3:59?
Я так понял, в этой версии реальности скифы - это казахи?
Не скифы а саки массагеты, это немного другое. ☺️
@@AnDroid-ep2kn Массагеты не относились к монголоидам.
@@НесторМахно-е5п Вы с ними лично встречались?
@@AnDroid-ep2kn Я, в отличие от вас, интересуюсь исторической наукой. А вот стиль вашего вопроса выдаёт в вас не просто профана, но и весьма недалёкого человека.
@@НесторМахно-е5п Изменились и антрологические виды кочевников.
Нарример,1000 лет назад в Анатолию пришли огузы монгольского происхождения.
Огузы(тюрк) завоевали арабов, персов и европейцев, захватили их дочерей, женились на них и начали меняться.
REAL AMAZON
Yes they have thats why there are many simularities between Hungarians and Turks.
What movie is this?
Tomyris
Как называеца фильм?подскажите плизь
Томирис
Movie name please
The Legend of Tomiris
🇰🇿✊
Какое отношение к казахам имеют массагеты одно из племен скифского союза?
That people was Iranic not Mongolic
@@user-ei8zf7vs2v во первых саки, скифы предки тюрков, а мы тюрки. Во вторых этот фильм снять казахским режиссёром Аканом Сатаевом, а также Казахфильм
@Ksjs Jdjdb how can they be turkic?
@@tuamadretuopadre2002 never use a logic with the turk
Tomiris
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomiris_(film)
@Ksjs Jdjdb
"never" trust Wikipedia ?!
seriously ?!
You mean that the info in Wiki about Mattia Preti and his painting
"Queen Tomyris and the head of Cyrus"
is false ?
And the immense amount of Art, Literature of Classical Antiquity, Imperial Rome, Medieval, etc, is false ?
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ok then, how about Herodotus, "Histories" chapter 1 from paragraph 205 to 215 - approx. 450 BC
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- 205. Now the ruler of the Massagetai was a woman, who was queen after the death of her husband, and her name was Tomyris. To her Cyrus sent and wooed her, pretending that he desired to have her for his wife: but Tomyris understanding that he was wooing not herself but rather the kingdom of the Massagetai, rejected his approaches: and Cyrus after this, as he made no progress by craft, marched to the Araxes, and proceeded to make an expedition openly against the Massagetai, forming bridges of boats over the river for his army to cross, and building towers upon the vessels which gave them passage across the river.
(read further from "Histories" up to paragraph 215, )
- the detail that Herodotus gives over Tomyris in all 10 paragraphs are all in the movie and as accurate as possible !!!
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Polyaenus, Strategems (of war),
book 8, chapter 28 - 2nd-century AD
- When Cyrus advanced against the Massagetae, Tomyris their queen retreated before him. The Persian army, closely pursuing her, entered and plundered her camp. There they found a great quantity of wine, and all sorts of provisions; on which they indulged immoderately, revelling throughout the night, as if they had obtained a victory. In that situation Tomyris attacked them, and cut them to pieces, while they were partly buried in sleep, and partly so drenched with wine, and surfeited with banqueting, that they could scarcely stand upright; and Cyrus himself was slain. [see also: Herodotus, however Herodotus attributes this ruse to Cyrus, not to Tomyris. ]
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etc
@Ksjs Jdjdb
- about "research"
you didn't even bother to read the passages from Herodotus and Polyaenus that I gave you ?
(I "smell" Turkish/Turkic propaganda, thus...)
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Yes ! Absolutely
I was wrong ! You are right !
You know better !!!
You Win !
Everything is proto-Turkic !!!
you guy awesome !
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🧐
@Ksjs Jdjdb no they dont see look tatar people mostly look so indo-european, they are proto slavic pre turkic people, they are ancestor of caucasus people before turkic people came
Томарис это мат всех турко язычных народов королева племени сако массагетов когдато живших в пустинях среднии Азии и казахстана
Это точно! Только матом таких идиотов самодовольных посылать!
I just farted so deep with this sentence...
Tomiris 2019
Film name
thank u
@@achritushunter6950 u r welcome
Монголоидные скифы выглядят забавно! Хотя сейчас это принято, когда эллинов изображают негры.
Князь Ростовский
@@qoysary К чему ляпнул, сам-то хоть понял?
По твоему скифы были украинцами?
@@arystanbeck914 По моему, хамло, я с тобой на брудершафт не пил! И если твои куриные мозги работают по шаблону, то это твои проблемы
Всем хорошо известны знаменитые строки Александра Блока: «Да, скифы - мы! Да, азиаты - мы! С раскосыми и жадными очами!..».
xaxaax fake history
Fake is all history written by politicians.
Сказка Болливуд отдыхает 😂😂🔥 ну прям сверх люди 🤣🤣🤣
Джунгар отдыхает где-то😏
Жонгар мы вас угандошали
У джунгар не было ханов контайчишник ты
@@user-rr4mt3cb2pу казах тоже нету ханов, султан ты
@Naiman Qazaq скажи мне тогда почему казахи называют своих правителей султанами? Если они кочевой народ
Haha fake history kazak dream
As thick as two planks.It's beyond your understanding. Don't try, don't torment yourself!!!
Казахи пьют кумыс с X-века до н.э. Кто не пьет кумыс тот не САК. Кочевники Турки с маленькими племенами раздолбали Византию, также и Кира в степи запросто.
45 descendants of Kyros II. disliked the video.
I am sacythains / pactyains desendent.We are now called Pathan,pakhtun,pashtun living in pakistan and afghanistan. .that time our languages called sakas know its called pashto or pakhtu.I am from yousafzai or esafzai or isafzai and tomiris from iskuzai or askuzai. Proud to be Pathan.
Good
Kazajstán vs…?
Massagets and Khorezmians
@@yerkeyerke4856 Gracias. Desconocía la existencia de tales pueblos de la antigüedad.
@@legionariodemilbatallas_57-62 De nada. Estos son pueblos antiguos que vivieron en el territorio de Kazajstán.
Perdón por mi español, utilicé el traductor de Google.
@@yerkeyerke4856 Pues yo también lo hago. Y la traducción al español que usted consiguió está 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼.
*¿Cuál es su lengua?*
@@legionariodemilbatallas_57-62 Mi lengua materna es el kazajo. Puedo hablar ruso, turco e inglés.
También me gustaría aprender español :)
Smells too much like the movie, 300....another dismal affair when it comes to doing anything with history except using names and events as props.
You can say that again.
Burst of envy and jealousy.It's a film about ancient ancestors of all Proto Turkic nations.The actors didn't even speak Qazaq.They had to learn the text in ancient Turkic Language. Why you can't enjoy the film?! If jealousy takes control over you, why you can't scrutinize the play of actors or production.If our ancestors were not brave and responsible , we , all of Turkics would not be here.Stop barking and biting each other. She is our common heritage.
turkics are kipchaks
The envy is palpable from Pan-Turks who shamelessly appropriate history from ancient Iranian nomadic tribes. Here's a challenge for you: In what way does "Tomyris" have meaning in any Turkic language?
I'll be waiting.
@@rashnuofthegoldenscales4512 Казахи пьют кумыс с X-века до н.э. Кто не пьет кумыс тот не САК. Кочевники Турки с маленькими племенами раздолбали Византию, также и Кира в степи запросто.
Νame of the movie?
Tomiris
In final battle against Cyrus the queen Tomiris got support with heavy armed cavalry from Lechistan. That's real history. We know that in Lechistan so called Poland now. Greetings for Masagots.
@Kuvvet karazehir we have this information in old books from 3rd century
@Kuvvet karazehir sorry Lechistan and Lech dynasty is even in times of Julius Cesar. Julius gave is sister as wife for king Lech III and gave Bawaria land to Lechistan to prevent the war. Etc etc. No problem plenty diffrent sources, history is written by Vatican for at least 800 years. Good day
@Kuvvet karazehir only this? "nope wrong". Is it merotical conversation? Or only denying from your side. Say what's your knowledge.
@@Janibek35 you will find everything in real history. We have this on old books from 3 century in our language.
@@Janibek35 we have written word. Lechistan is well known history.
do not recall the times kazak was this powerful. Sure its movie so why not.
If our ancestors were not powerful , we would not be here.They had to be living between three hostile empires and surviving and keeping the ninth territory in the world for their descendants was not an easy thing.PS.We ruled Russia for 300 years .China and India.British Empire fought against Dely Sultanat, Moghols. Egypt was ruled by momlucs( kipchacs) Kutuz then Bei Bars.Welcome to history of Turkic nations: Turkey, Qazaqstan and many other nations of Central Asia.
@@edwardtheking2983 it’s Central Asian history manipulator watch ur Ottaman movies
@@edwardtheking2983 вот ты и попался балабол, выше писал что англичанин, ахах. Но я то вижу что по интеллекту до белого не дотягиваешь
@@edwardtheking2983 👍👍👍
To understand who were tomiris was .You have to read Pakhtun or pashtun whole history.
@Ksjs Jdjdb Bro if you dont know history.Dont bark...
@Ksjs Jdjdb Trust me even you dont know a single word about pashtun.Just saying what xome to ur mind.....lol
@Ksjs Jdjdb they are proto ukrainian people
😂😂😂😂she wasnt patan trust me central asia never was iranic u need to understand it
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Totally absurd
а на каком языке говорили масагеты и саки а также товхары
На каком то индо иранском наречии.
@@konstantindrevojorov3550 Avestani.
Древне кипчакский язык, язык Саков Тигрохауда, Массагета, Саврамата
массагеты - восточная ветвь сакских племен. у тиграхаудской ветви язык - авестани/тонтони.
На казахском
this movie is a joke
Everything turns into a joke when Pan-Turks operate a camera.
лица у скифов были не монгольские
Ой бляя умник нашелся
У Черноморских да не монгольские. Живших в степях Казахстана уже были монголойдными.
@@runu2312 Хамло!
Тут показана как они смешивались
А какие ещё даже Маяковский говорил да скифы мы да азиаты с раскосыми очами
Their Succesors will conquer Greece & Rome
Interesting, tell me more about her
@Ksjs Jdjdb the scythians were iranic
@Ksjs Jdjdb so she was an proto Iranian queen
@Ksjs Jdjdb it could be an name derived from an Iranian word, but more importantly she was queen of the Massagetae, who were Iranians
@Ksjs Jdjdb says who? How many historians agree with your opinion, because all the evidence points contrary
@@pippi2285 if saks iranic people, why Kir attack?
拍得真好!
向勇敢致敬！
Tomiris Masaget
2:01 Haha...
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@Ksjs Jdjdb 🥲
@Ksjs Jdjdb knk istersen müsait bir zamanda iskit videolarını spamlayıp yukarı çıkabiliriz
@Ksjs Jdjdb beline kuvvet :-)