Scythian Queen - Tribal Folk Music - Massagetae Vs Persians 530 BC
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- Tribal Folk Music by Keith O' Sullivan.
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Tomyris was the queen of the Massagetae, an Iranian people from a Scythian pastoral-nomadic confederation of Central Asia east of the Caspian Sea, in parts of modern-day Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, western Uzbekistan, and southern Kazakhstan. She reigned in the 6th century BC.
Tomyris led her armies to defend against an attack by Cyrus the Great of the Achaemenid Empire, and, according to Herodotus, defeated and killed him in 530 BC.
"A Queen
A queen who bowed to no one, a queen who had faced them all down and triumphed. A queen who owned her body, her life, her destiny, and never apologized for it."
Sarah J. Maas
Gracias Amigo. :)
No queen of mine. She can rule over the cat nation.
@@KeithOSullivanmusic did you know was fraternal battle for supremacy of the steppe cirus already conkered asia getae army innmortal of cirus is fought against masagetea scityians sarmatyans getodahae parthians
Herodotus also mentioned that he heard other stories too but wrote the one that he liked the most
You know since the ending was like the ending of one of those mythical Greek stories (greed and arrogance leading great humans to their demise) and since Herodotus was a Greek, this story most probably is just a myth
Other historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe
While Tomyris story might be the most famous one, that doesn't mean that it's the most accurate one
The most accurate story, about his death is most probably the one that Ctesias wrote
Ctesias had lots of mistakes while writing about Cyrus life but his record of Cyrus death seems way more logical
According to him, Cyrus fought the Derbices and won but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of the battle and that's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and way closer than Central Asia and unlike Massagetaes, who lived in seperate tribes (like Greek city states), they lived in a region and had way more manpower than Scythians and even had allies with war elephants from india
Meaning, they had enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000 specially when living in modern day north of Iran (where i live) which gives them the terrain advantage
The only advantage the Massagetaes had was a river which according to Herodotus, they let Cyrus army cross it
And they had no city walls, no fortresses, no trenches and not even enough manpower
How many people lived in ONE nomadic tribe ? 3,000 ? 4,000 ?
Let's say 5,000-10,000
How many of them could fight ?
While the Achaemenids are known for their large armies which are estimated between 50,000 to 200,000
They were professional fighters armed with almost any weapon imaginable at the time and were familiar with nomadic fighting styles and battle tactics and were being led by the greatest warlord at the time who won every battle he fought against mighty empires
The terrain here in the north is great for a local army to defend against a superior invading army
Plus, Ctesias worked at Artaxerxes II royal court and that means he had access to the Achaemenid sources
He even mentioned the number of casualties of both sides and the number of Cyrus reinforcements
Take a look at Cyrus conquest map on Google
Massagetae territory is shown as conquered and there was even a city fortress called Cyropolis near there
There's not even an evidence for Tomyris existence beside Herodotus few sentences
@@c0nstantin86 awesome, wait, what’s that suppose to be an insult? 😅try harder, it’s suppose to be offensive.
The film received mixed reviews, largely because Herodotus's version of events is not generally accepted by historians and researchers,[14] and unlike in the film, Massagetae are Scythian people speaking an Iranian language, while in the movie all characters are represented by modern Kazakh (featuring Mongolian physiognomy and speaking a Turkic language).
Even Persian historic record they states that the Scythians are not Iranian. Persian record say for sythians "a warlike and dangerous people who come from far away, whose words cannot be understood, who ride well on horseback and use bows." They said that it is not clear what language they speak, What language do you think this could be? In addition, in the shahname of the Iranian writer Firdevsi, the people who live in the region where the Scythians live are called the "Turan", The Scythian people are called "Turanids". He tells about the Iran-Turan wars. Even the Iranians themselves do not see the Scythians as Iranian, but westernism tries to portray the Scythians as Iranian.
@@CruWiT Turan is a mythological term used by Ferdowsi in the shahnameh and has nothing to do with historical fact. Today's Ossetian population in the Republic of Georgia are the descendant of the Western Scythians. They speak an Iranic language distantly related to Persian. Eastern Scythians whose descendants are the Pamiri population of Xinjiang and Tajikistan were known as the Saka in Ancient Persian inscriptions. Saka peoples were a nomadic warrior group who established a kingdom in Western China called the Khotan Kingdom. They were described in the reliefs as wearing pointed long hats much like their Western Scythian brethren. From this Kingdom they wrote over 2,000 inscriptions.These inscriptions were recently deciphered in 1940s by Linguistic Expert H.W. Bailey who later published his works on the Saka Dictionary through the Cambridge University Press in 1979. He described his findings as a key to understanding the origins and history of the Iranic languages. I have the dictionary and have verified it is a pure Iranic language.
The Scythians were a nomadic confederation, composed of various tribes and nomadic confederations weren’t defined by ethnicity, but by identity and language. It is a fact that the Pre-Turkic population of Central Asia was primarily Indo-Iranian speaking but this does not exclude varying degrees of admixture with Uralic/Samoyedic and Turkic peoples. The Scythians had affinity to Indo-European (Indo-Iranian), Turkic, and Uralic groups. They were not a homogeneous people.
@@CruWiTNo, according to Ferdowsi's Shahname Salm, Iraj and Tur were sons of one father....And Turanians who originated from Tur, was a general term for iranic, nomadic people like Scythians, Sakas, Alans, etc.. Another term was just Saka. There is also was Sakastan province in Sasanid Empire, where Sakas lived. There is also Sakazay (sak-born) people among Pushtuns living....So do not try to steal other's history.
@@user-yf6wf8nr3u In Russia, there is a region of Yakutia, where saka's peoples live. Guess what language they speak? yes they speak Turkic. Today, the only nation in the world that bears the name of the Saka (Scythians) are the Saka Turks and they live in the northern Siberia region. Do you think these people who live in the northern regions of Siberia and speak Turkic but they are Iranic for you?
See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakha
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakut_language
Scythians had Red & Blonde hair and looked very much like Modern day Slavs.
They were Iranic people that get absorb by Turkic and slavic peoples
Central asia was original homeland of Iranic peoples
They speak a branch of Iranic languages very similar to avesta
The basis of the Scythians was the Massaget and Sak tribesBy 3 AD, the Huns joined the Massagets and Saks and founded the Turkic tribes. their descendants today🇺🇿🇰🇬🇦🇿🇰🇿🇹🇷🇹🇲🤟🗿🐺⚔️👊
@@KhazrataliZokirov First there were the Indo-European type, THEN the Turks joined in. Before Scythian looked similar to Slavs. Turks should not try to claim Scythian ancestry.
Ali Sami Shirazi, an archaeologist who excavated the tomb of Cyrus, discovered two bodies buried in the ceiling of the tomb
He identified those two bodies as Cyrus and his wife
So if Tomyris story is true, which it seems it's not, that body shouldn't be there since there's said his body was taken by her warriors and beheaded
Alexander's historians mentioned that they saw Cyrus body in his tomb but never said anything about his skeleton missing a head
Ctesias version of his death is more close to reality
There are 2 versions of tomyris’s story,one says that cyrus was killed and got his head chopped off by tomyris,the other one says that he died from the wounds he got from the battle so his body was never captured by the Scythians,it can either be the second version or tomyris never existed at all
@@QueenBoran I copy pasted one of my comments from another video in order to give you a complete answer and say all my reasons
It's gonna be a long comment but it'll make many things clear
Herodotus story has too many flaws if you look deeply into the story
I mean finding out about wine and instantly loving it and getting drunk ? Really ?
Herodotus mentioned that he heard other stories too, but wrote the one that he liked the most because he thought it was more epic
You know since the ending was similar to the ending of one of those mythical Greek stories (greed and arrogance leading great humans to their demise) and since Herodotus was a Greek, this story is very debatable and has many things wrong with it if you think about it
Other Greek or Roman historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe and each one wrote a different story
The most famous one, doesn't always mean the most accurate one
The most logical story about his death that i've heard up until now, is the one that Ctesias has written
Ctesias had his mistakes while writing about Cyrus life but his record of Cyrus death seems way more logical and the fact that he worked at the Achaemeinid royal court kinda increases the accuracy since he could've had access to their history sources
He's also written the numbers of casualties on both sides (though probably exaggerated numbers), the name of the king of the rebel Derbices, the number of Cyrus Scythian reinforcements and name of the Scythian king who led them
Plus some information about how the battle went
According to him, Cyrus fought the Derbices (Iranian tribal people in Hyrcania) and won the battle but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of that battle
That's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and that Cyrus didn't immediately die and it was way closer than Central Asia
Unlike Massagetaes (eastern Iranic nomadic people), who lived in seperate tribes (like Greek city states), they lived in a unified satrapy and had more manpower than a Scythian tribe and even had allies with war elephants from India
Meaning, they had the terrain advantage and enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000 men, specially when living in modern day north of Iran (where i live)
These lands are perfect for Guerilla warfares
According to Herodotus, the only advantage the Massagetaes had was a river which they let Cyrus army cross it without even harrassing it
What kind of wise military commander would do that ?
They were in open plains, with no city walls, no fortresses, no trenches, no natural barriers, not even enough manpower and they let the enemy pass their only line of defence
How many people lived in ONE nomadic Scythian tribe in 530 BC ? 3,000 ? 4,000 ?
Let's say 5,000-10,000
How many of them could fight ?
While the Achaemenids are known for their large armies which are estimated between 50,000 to 200,000
They were professional fighters armed with almost any weapon imaginable at the time and were familiar with nomadic fighting styles and battle tactics (they themselves were nomads once) and were being led by the greatest warlord at the time who won every battle he fought against mighty empires or even other Scythian tribes according to other Greco Roman historians
The terrain here in the north is great for a local army to defend against a superior invading force
And if we take a look at Cyrus conquest map, he'd conquered territories up to Aral sea/lake in central Asia
Massagetae territory is shown next to Dahae territories under Aral sea/lake in most of the maps and according to Cyrus map, he conquered that province and there was even a city fortress called Cyropolis near there
While there's no evidence of Tomyris existence beside Herodotus few sentences
If she had indeed killed him in battle and completely destroyed his army, then why there's no report of her raiding and plundering or even conquering the reach defenseless Achaemeinid territories or Cyrus son, Cambyses, a vengeful cruel man (at least according to Herodotus) campaign against them ?
Darius the great mentioned the names of the people who REVOLTED against him, right after he became king, in his inscription, and the Scythians of Central Asia (beyond the jaxartes) were among the rebels (the man in the end of the line)
And since the word revolt has been used, we can assume they were already conquered by Cyrus
As far as i know, even Alexander's historians didn't say anything about his skeleton's head missing
Ali Sami Shirazi also identified the two corpses/skeletons in his tomb as Cyrus and Cassandane's
If what Herodotus says is true, and Massagetaes took Cyrus body and cut his head off, then what are those remains even doing in his tomb ?
The basis of the Scythians was the Massaget and Sak tribesBy 3 AD, the Huns joined the Massagets and Saks and founded the Turkic tribes. their descendants today🇺🇿🇰🇬🇦🇿🇰🇿🇹🇷🇹🇲🤟🗿🐺⚔️👊
@@KhazrataliZokirov The Massagetaes were a branch of the Scythians
You can check the Scythians origins from Britannica and any non Turkish sites
Even kings and generals, owned by a Turk, called them Iranian people in their vids
The Scythians were mixed with Turkic people 1,000 after the Achaemenid
She was one of many of our Sarmatian/Amazon warrior Queens. All the greatest events in our ancient history took place during reigns of our Queens like Amage queen of the Roxolani and Roxolena queen of the Roxolani.
ROXOLANI?? These people coexisted with Romanians' ancestors!
@iceblu4713 yes they were allies against the Romans
Scythian were Iranic people and spoke an Eastern Iranic language just like Persians.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages
This shit is portraying them like they were some sort of Mongloid-looking savages. Both Persians and Scythian were Iranic. They probably could have understood each other to a certain point and they certainly did not look like this. And also Persians didn't look like a bunch of Jews either. There got to be an end to these stupid movies playing fast and loose with historical accuracy.
I didn't know about this movie and I didn't know about this Queen that seems to have been a headache for Cyrus the Great, the music that you have composed is an honor for her, those musical rhythms and combination of musical instruments and the voices of the singers have you hooked until the ending was lovely !! ⚔🧕
Hi Wolf, thank you my friend. It is actually a good film, it's called Tomiris, you can probably watch it here on RUclips. I really liked the main actress, she did a great job portraying a legend. Talk to you soon my friend, I just noticed a notification from your channel.
@@KeithOSullivanmusic Woow I'm still awake at this hour!!
that movie is on RUclips I'm going to see it,, good night friend!
@@WolfenSköll-Mountains I hope that you find it, it's also on a few of the free movie sites. Sleep well my friend. :)
Dieser Film ist auf RUclips, Wolf!
@@arminius9ad Thank you
She also kept the skull as a drinking cup. Absolute badass 🤣
Ps for everyone wondering the video is from a movie titled "Tomyris", produced in Kazakhstan if I recall correctly. Very beautiful movie, the mounted fighting setpieces are on par with, if not better than, Hollywood ones.
I agree with you, she was an absolute bad ass. I didn't know she kept the skull as a drinking cup. I loved the movie too, great story, acting, and battle scenes.
Too bad they portray Scythians as a mix of European and Turkic, in reality they probably didn´t get this mixed look till the 6th century ad and they also wouldn´t speak Turkic language, but I get it, it was made in Kazachstan.
@@vizualnihistorieallowances need to be made for movies since we can't have an exact idea of what they really looked like, and have to work with nowdays fenotypes present in the area the movie is shot. As for the language the movie is a kazhak production, what language should they be speaking? Romans in Hollywood movie productions speak English, while actual Romans didn't. It's just what movies have to do in order to tell a compelling story. Not every movie has the funds or even the inclination to try and be hyper-realistic like Mel Gibson's latin-aramaic with subtitles The Passion was.
@@undead9999 I understand man, for example in Barbarians they were speaking Latin, but I know.....
@@vizualnihistorie You are correct, it was the main criticism of the film when it was released. Like you, I also understand, being made Kazakhstan. I thought the main actress did a great job, and looked the part.
Cears é mar atá tu, Keith. Many thanks. I think there's some confusion here. The Massagetae were a powerful group within the Saka confederation. Their queen, Tomyris battled the Pars. Her legend had her claying their Shah, one of the many Kūroš/Cyruses. Her legend has always reminded me of Princess Chiomara of the Tectosagi in Galatia, whose story, sadly, is much neglected.
The basis of the Scythians was the Massaget and Sak tribesBy 3 AD, the Huns joined the Massagets and Saks and founded the Turkic tribes. their descendants today🇺🇿🇰🇬🇦🇿🇰🇿🇹🇷🇹🇲🤟🗿🐺⚔️👊
@@KhazrataliZokirov The Massagetaes were a branch of the Scythians
You can check the Scythians origins from Britannica and any non Turkish sites
Even kings and generals, owned by a Turk, called them Iranian people in their vids
The Scythians were mixed with Turkic people 1,000 after the Achaemenid
@@johnhayes8557 The Massagetaes were a branch of the Scythians
You can check the Scythians origins from Britannica and any non Turkish sites
Even kings and generals, owned by a Turk, called them Iranian people in their vids
The Scythians were mixed with Turkic people 1,000 after the Achaemenid
@@johnhayes8557 It's gonna be a long comment but it'll make many things clear
Herodotus story has too many flaws if you look deeply into the story
I mean finding out about wine and instantly loving it and getting drunk ? Really ?
Herodotus mentioned that he heard other stories too, but wrote the one that he liked the most because he thought it was more epic
You know since the ending was similar to the ending of one of those mythical Greek stories (greed and arrogance leading great humans to their demise) and since Herodotus was a Greek, this story is very debatable and has many things wrong with it if you think about it
Other Greek or Roman historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe and each one wrote a different story
The most famous one, doesn't always mean the most accurate one
The most logical story about his death that i've heard up until now, is the one that Ctesias has written
Ctesias had his mistakes while writing about Cyrus life but his record of Cyrus death seems way more logical and the fact that he worked at the Achaemeinid royal court kinda increases the accuracy since he could've had access to their history sources
He's also written the numbers of casualties on both sides (though probably exaggerated numbers), the name of the king of the rebel Derbices, the number of Cyrus Scythian reinforcements and name of the Scythian king who led them
Plus some information about how the battle went
According to him, Cyrus fought the Derbices (Iranian tribal people in Hyrcania) and won the battle but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of that battle
That's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and that Cyrus didn't immediately die and it was way closer than Central Asia
Unlike Massagetaes (eastern Iranic nomadic people), who lived in seperate tribes (like Greek city states), they lived in a unified satrapy and had more manpower than a Scythian tribe and even had allies with war elephants from India
Meaning, they had the terrain advantage and enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000 men, specially when living in modern day north of Iran (where i live)
These lands are perfect for Guerilla warfares
According to Herodotus, the only advantage the Massagetaes had was a river which they let Cyrus army cross it without even harrassing it
What kind of wise military commander would do that ?
They were in open plains, with no city walls, no fortresses, no trenches, no natural barriers, not even enough manpower and they let the enemy pass their only line of defence
How many people lived in ONE nomadic Scythian tribe in 530 BC ? 3,000 ? 4,000 ?
Let's say 5,000-10,000
How many of them could fight ?
While the Achaemenids are known for their large armies which are estimated between 50,000 to 200,000
They were professional fighters armed with almost any weapon imaginable at the time and were familiar with nomadic fighting styles and battle tactics (they themselves were nomads once) and were being led by the greatest warlord at the time who won every battle he fought against mighty empires or even other Scythian tribes according to other Greco Roman historians
The terrain here in the north is great for a local army to defend against a superior invading force
And if we take a look at Cyrus conquest map, he'd conquered territories up to Aral sea/lake in central Asia
Massagetae territory is shown next to Dahae territories under Aral sea/lake in most of the maps and according to Cyrus map, he conquered that province and there was even a city fortress called Cyropolis near there
While there's no evidence of Tomyris existence beside Herodotus few sentences
If she had indeed killed him in battle and completely destroyed his army, then why there's no report of her raiding and plundering or even conquering the reach defenseless Achaemeinid territories or Cyrus son, Cambyses, a vengeful cruel man (at least according to Herodotus) campaign against them ?
Darius the great mentioned the names of the people who REVOLTED against him, right after he became king, in his inscription, and the Scythians of Central Asia (beyond the jaxartes) were among the rebels (the man in the end of the line)
And since the word revolt has been used, we can assume they were already conquered by Cyrus
As far as i know, even Alexander's historians didn't say anything about his skeleton's head missing
Ali Sami Shirazi also identified the two corpses/skeletons in his tomb as Cyrus and Cassandane's
If what Herodotus says is true, and Massagetaes took Cyrus body and cut his head off, then what are those remains even doing in his tomb ?
A heroine of history famous for eliminating Cyrus The Great I, but the most important thing is that your music is phenomenal and very motivating and with Middle Eastern traits
HAIL TOMYRIS !!! 👍
Hail Tomyris. I hope that life is treating you good my friend,
Herodotus also mentioned that he heard other stories too but wrote the one that he liked the most
You know since the ending was like the ending of one of those mythical Greek stories (greed and arrogance leading great humans to their demise) and since Herodotus was a Greek, this story most probably is just a myth
Other historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe
While Tomyris story might be the most famous one, that doesn't mean that it's the most accurate one
The most accurate story, about his death is most probably the one that Ctesias wrote
Ctesias had lots of mistakes while writing about Cyrus life but his record of Cyrus death seems way more logical
According to him, Cyrus fought the Derbices and won but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of the battle and that's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and way closer than Central Asia and unlike Massagetaes, who lived in seperate tribes (like Greek city states), they lived in a region and had way more manpower than Scythians and even had allies with war elephants from india
Meaning, they had enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000 specially when living in modern day north of Iran (where i live) which gives them the terrain advantage
The only advantage the Massagetaes had was a river which according to Herodotus, they let Cyrus army cross it
And they had no city walls, no fortresses, no trenches and not even enough manpower
How many people lived in ONE nomadic tribe ? 3,000 ? 4,000 ?
Let's say 5,000-10,000
How many of them could fight ?
While the Achaemenids are known for their large armies which are estimated between 50,000 to 200,000
They were professional fighters armed with almost any weapon imaginable at the time and were familiar with nomadic fighting styles and battle tactics and were being led by the greatest warlord at the time who won every battle he fought against mighty empires
The terrain here in the north is great for a local army to defend against a superior invading army
Plus, Ctesias worked at Artaxerxes II royal court and that means he had access to the Achaemenid sources
He even mentioned the number of casualties of both sides and the number of Cyrus reinforcements
Take a look at Cyrus conquest map on Google
Massagetae territory is shown as conquered and there was even a city fortress called Cyropolis near there
There's not even an evidence for Tomyris existence beside Herodotus few sentences
I take it this is Tomyris leader of the Messagatae that defeated Cyrus, didn’t know there was a film of it
Dia duit mo chara. Tá athrá ar scála nua-aimseartha ag teacht. Ceol an-deas. Thank you for the video. Thought about you the other day and wondered how you were doing...and if we would have something from you soon. You must have heard my thought! Have a good day. :)
How are you Kathy ? Always good to hear from you my friend. I agree with you. Apologies for a delayed response. The truth is I very rarely am on this platform. With all that is going on in the World right now, the last place you'll find out the truth is here. It's like an echo chamber for the indoctrinated, a safe space for those who fear free speech. It is crazy the turn our collective societies throughout the Western World have taken. I hope that you and your family are doing good, have a great weekend. Best wishes to you always. :)
@@KeithOSullivanmusic Agree with you. I look for music and that is all. About to do with this "thing" the same as I did with the TV about 30 years ago....the bin....literally.
Factual truth is not something that is found on any social media. Maybe a slip of the tongue now and then ...as they used to say "The truth will out". It is sad that this is being allowed to happen. Nothing learned from history .....in a collective fashion so it doesn't happen again.
You have a good weekend and blessings to you and yours. Thank you for the music. Take care.... (our ancestors are rolling over in their graves mi thinks....)
@@kathywolf4558 Without Free Speech it is impossible to maintain your other Human Rights. This the powers that should not be know only too well. I hope that I live to see the day where the corrupt World they are building collapses in on them all. I agree that our Ancestors are rolling in their graves, and I believe that part of it is the sense of shame they feel in us, for allowing it to get to this point. Something wicked this way comes, the worst of it is now on the horizon, and it is picking up pace. The important thing is to stay sane, prepare for an uncertain future, listen to your inner voice. For that is where you will find the wisdom of the Soul. The light within will guide you through the darkness which is being forced upon us all. Channel your warrior spirit my friend. Have a great and peaceful weekend. :)
Keith: BRAVISSIMA! Come sempre.
Love from Romania to my Indo-European brothers and sisters. The powerful Getic rulers... Burebista and Tomiris. 💪🐺🏹
The scytians localized in Bactria,Sogia,Sarmatia,Dacia,Thracia
The basis of the Scythians was the Massaget and Sak tribesBy 3 AD, the Huns joined the Massagets and Saks and founded the Turkic tribes. their descendants today🇺🇿🇰🇬🇦🇿🇰🇿🇹🇷🇹🇲🤟🗿🐺⚔️👊
@@KhazrataliZokirov The Massagetaes were a branch of the Scythians
You can check the Scythians origins from Britannica and any non Turkish sites
Even kings and generals, owned by a Turk, called them Iranian people in their vids
The Scythians were mixed with Turkic people 1,000 after the Achaemenid
This story is a myth. Cyrus passed away in Pasargade
Hi Keith,
Any chance I could use a snippet of this song in an upcoming documentary on the channel History Dose--I'll make sure to link to your page!
No problem Joseph, work away. I have to make you aware of one thing though. When I initially uploaded this track, although it is my own work. The long vocal I used at the beginning is a vocal sample I licensed legally from a company, and it got copyrighted by a third party collection company, Orchard Music. I appealed the claim. and the other day it was denied, so I have appealed once again, as they have no legal standing to put a copyright claim on my music, especially when I licensed the sample legally. So, for now, it might be better to avoid using the start, or else they could claim your video too.
@@KeithOSullivanmusic Thanks for the heads up!
Herodotus also mentioned that he heard other stories too but wrote the one that he liked the most
You know since the ending was like the ending of one of those mythical Greek stories (greed and arrogance leading great humans to their demise) and since Herodotus was a Greek, this story most probably is just a myth
Other historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe
While Tomyris story might be the most famous one, that doesn't mean that it's the most accurate one
The most accurate story, about his death is most probably the one that Ctesias wrote
Ctesias had lots of mistakes while writing about Cyrus life but his record of Cyrus death seems way more logical
According to him, Cyrus fought the Derbices and won but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of the battle and that's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and way closer than Central Asia and unlike Massagetaes, who lived in seperate tribes (like Greek city states), they lived in a region and had way more manpower than Scythians and even had allies with war elephants from india
Meaning, they had enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000 specially when living in modern day north of Iran (where i live) which gives them the terrain advantage
The only advantage the Massagetaes had was a river which according to Herodotus, they let Cyrus army cross it
And they had no city walls, no fortresses, no trenches and not even enough manpower
How many people lived in ONE nomadic tribe ? 3,000 ? 4,000 ?
Let's say 5,000-10,000
How many of them could fight ?
While the Achaemenids are known for their large armies which are estimated between 50,000 to 200,000
They were professional fighters armed with almost any weapon imaginable at the time and were familiar with nomadic fighting styles and battle tactics and were being led by the greatest warlord at the time who won every battle he fought against mighty empires
The terrain here in the north is great for a local army to defend against a superior invading army
Plus, Ctesias worked at Artaxerxes II royal court and that means he had access to the Achaemenid sources
He even mentioned the number of casualties of both sides and the number of Cyrus reinforcements
Take a look at Cyrus conquest map on Google
Massagetae territory is shown as conquered and there was even a city fortress called Cyropolis near there
There's not even an evidence for Tomyris existence beside Herodotus few sentences
Hoping to see this actress in the role of an Indian warrior goddess. That fierce look, no one can give. Just watched as i heard a theory that nairs (from kerala) have some genetic connection to scythians (shakas) .
Scythians are related with Slavs, Balts and Iranians, not indian
@@anthemsofeurope2408 who said. We are shakas. Buddha was known as shaakya muni (sage born in race of shaakas/scythians). We follow a calendar known as shaka varsha! May be not 100℅ scythian but like wise not all those whom you mentioned are.
In recorded history, Moga a scythian king conqurered some part of ancient India and started the shaka dynasty.
@@remyahari1922 Ah now I know what you mean. There was Mauyesa, a sakian warrior who founded a kingdom in India.
@@anthemsofeurope2408The Saka established a long lasting kingdom in Norther India. Gautama Buddha/Siddhartha was one.
@@johnhayes8557 Yes I know
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Cyrus' successor Darius destroyed them and put an end to the rebellion, they were over after that.
@@VerbalWarrior162 It's gonna be a long comment but it'll make many things clear
Herodotus story has too many flaws if you look deeply into the story
I mean finding out about wine and instantly loving it and getting drunk ? Really ?
Herodotus mentioned that he heard other stories too, but wrote the one that he liked the most because he thought it was more epic
You know since the ending was similar to the ending of one of those mythical Greek stories (greed and arrogance leading great humans to their demise) and since Herodotus was a Greek, this story is very debatable and has many things wrong with it if you think about it
Other Greek or Roman historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe and each one wrote a different story
The most famous one, doesn't always mean the most accurate one
The most logical story about his death that i've heard up until now, is the one that Ctesias has written
Ctesias had his mistakes while writing about Cyrus life but his record of Cyrus death seems way more logical and the fact that he worked at the Achaemeinid royal court kinda increases the accuracy since he could've had access to their history sources
He's also written the numbers of casualties on both sides (though probably exaggerated numbers), the name of the king of the rebel Derbices, the number of Cyrus Scythian reinforcements and name of the Scythian king who led them
Plus some information about how the battle went
According to him, Cyrus fought the Derbices (Iranian tribal people in Hyrcania) and won the battle but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of that battle
That's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and that Cyrus didn't immediately die and it was way closer than Central Asia
Unlike Massagetaes (eastern Iranic nomadic people), who lived in seperate tribes (like Greek city states), they lived in a unified satrapy and had more manpower than a Scythian tribe and even had allies with war elephants from India
Meaning, they had the terrain advantage and enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000 men, specially when living in modern day north of Iran (where i live)
These lands are perfect for Guerilla warfares
According to Herodotus, the only advantage the Massagetaes had was a river which they let Cyrus army cross it without even harrassing it
What kind of wise military commander would do that ?
They were in open plains, with no city walls, no fortresses, no trenches, no natural barriers, not even enough manpower and they let the enemy pass their only line of defence
How many people lived in ONE nomadic Scythian tribe in 530 BC ? 3,000 ? 4,000 ?
Let's say 5,000-10,000
How many of them could fight ?
While the Achaemenids are known for their large armies which are estimated between 50,000 to 200,000
They were professional fighters armed with almost any weapon imaginable at the time and were familiar with nomadic fighting styles and battle tactics (they themselves were nomads once) and were being led by the greatest warlord at the time who won every battle he fought against mighty empires or even other Scythian tribes according to other Greco Roman historians
The terrain here in the north is great for a local army to defend against a superior invading force
And if we take a look at Cyrus conquest map, he'd conquered territories up to Aral sea/lake in central Asia
Massagetae territory is shown next to Dahae territories under Aral sea/lake in most of the maps and according to Cyrus map, he conquered that province and there was even a city fortress called Cyropolis near there
While there's no evidence of Tomyris existence beside Herodotus few sentences
If she had indeed killed him in battle and completely destroyed his army, then why there's no report of her raiding and plundering or even conquering the reach defenseless Achaemeinid territories or Cyrus son, Cambyses, a vengeful cruel man (at least according to Herodotus) campaign against them ?
Darius the great mentioned the names of the people who REVOLTED against him, right after he became king, in his inscription, and the Scythians of Central Asia (beyond the jaxartes) were among the rebels (the man in the end of the line)
And since the word revolt has been used, we can assume they were already conquered by Cyrus
As far as i know, even Alexander's historians didn't say anything about his skeleton's head missing
Ali Sami Shirazi also identified the two corpses/skeletons in his tomb as Cyrus and Cassandane's
If what Herodotus says is true, and Massagetaes took Cyrus body and cut his head off, then what are those remains even doing in his tomb ?
Also the Scythians and other tribes in the north were subdued by the Persians and the Medes - Cyrus was said to suffer from an arrow wound (according to Greek historians ) but again you can t trust Greek historians and their depictions of Persians to make a historically accurate film .
I'm glad to know that my Jat brother wants to know their roots , keep it up brothers . We are rare Race not a caste we achieved alot of thrones and kingdoms and title , one more thing we should be done to save our ' Gene ' 🧬
This is fantasy, and very funny, the scythian were Eastern Iranian Sogdian, Bacteria, saka,parthian not turk people please respect history.
Scythian where not Iranian but a more Northern group and it's a Archeo-genetic fact.
There where no Horses in Iran neither where they a pastoral society who domesticated animals.
Achaemenid only become Per Sian of Scythian once SCYTHIANs have conquered them.
Если вам удобно так думать продолжайте в том же духе но только без нас ))
@@uisun_ I don't understand!
@@mikebob5528 Well as Hungerian to me appears that Jana Petrova is a Bulgarian and according to Google translate what she wrote is "if it is convenient for you to think so, continue in the same spirit, but without us".
There is something called Archeo-Genetics which as such pointed out clearly that SCYTHIAN where a Northern group that in genetic sense are more related to Scottish then Iranians where HunGarian population and it's surrounding groups have a SCYTHIAN descendant whom had a Eastern elements which it does appears amongst some Turkic speakers but again not Iranian,Arab, Jewish-Greek etc.
@@MAKDÁVID-KRIŽ Sycthian Were Iranic nomaden
This movie is way different than what Herodotus actually wrote
They made everything up
Scythians were iranian people not turks.
Video nice 👍
Herodotus also mentioned that he heard other stories too but wrote the one that he liked the most
You know since the ending was like the ending of one of those mythical Greek stories (greed and arrogance leading great humans to their demise) and since Herodotus was a Greek, this story most probably is just a myth
Other historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe
While Tomyris story might be the most famous one, that doesn't mean that it's the most accurate one
The most accurate story, about his death is most probably the one that Ctesias wrote
Ctesias had lots of mistakes while writing about Cyrus life but his record of Cyrus death seems way more logical
According to him, Cyrus fought the Derbices and won but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of the battle and that's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and way closer than Central Asia and unlike Massagetaes, who lived in seperate tribes (like Greek city states), they lived in a region and had way more manpower than Scythians and even had allies with war elephants from india
Meaning, they had enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000 specially when living in modern day north of Iran (where i live) which gives them the terrain advantage
The only advantage the Massagetaes had was a river which according to Herodotus, they let Cyrus army cross it
And they had no city walls, no fortresses, no trenches and not even enough manpower
How many people lived in ONE nomadic tribe ? 3,000 ? 4,000 ?
Let's say 5,000-10,000
How many of them could fight ?
While the Achaemenids are known for their large armies which are estimated between 50,000 to 200,000
They were professional fighters armed with almost any weapon imaginable at the time and were familiar with nomadic fighting styles and battle tactics and were being led by the greatest warlord at the time who won every battle he fought against mighty empires
The terrain here in the north is great for a local army to defend against a superior invading army
Plus, Ctesias worked at Artaxerxes II royal court and that means he had access to the Achaemenid sources
He even mentioned the number of casualties of both sides and the number of Cyrus reinforcements
Take a look at Cyrus conquest map on Google
Massagetae territory is shown as conquered and there was even a city fortress called Cyropolis near there
There's not even an evidence for Tomyris existence beside Herodotus few sentences
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@@KeithOSullivanmusic u really should....your music is pretty cool. its easy, there are some guides on yt.
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The great Afghans/scythians and same language
Scythians weren't Afghans
Some Scythian tribes might've been the ancestors of Afghans but they weren't all Afghan
Darius was successful in his Scythian campaign and Cyrus successfuly conquered Afghanistan
Look at Cyrus the great conquest map
All of middle east (except arabian peninsula and Egypt), Caucasus, Asia minor, Iran and a large part of Central Asia up to the Aral lake/sea, were conquered by him
If you Google the results of the Scythian campaign of Darius the great, it says that this campaign was a victory for the Achaemenids instead of defeat or stalemate
It also says that the Achaemenids conquered much of their cultivated lands and damaged their allies, forcing the Scythians to respect their power
In most of Achaemenid empire maps, the lands above the black sea are part of the Achaemenid empire
Also in Achaemenid inscriptions, the Scythians are shown as subjugated people and part of the empire
@@ramtin5152 Achaemenid become Per Sian a Scythians when they where conquered by SCYTHIANS and Achaemenid empire become PerSian.
While AfgHAN actually have the name and title of HAN that SCYTHIAN have used the same thing can't be said for Middle Eastern groups.
Afghan was Pashtuns / Pathans
@@ramtin5152 who are jatts
Scythians were White Arys, Tomyris has White Ary Features.
Their characters are destructive creatures who like to fight more than normal human
Scythians were indo-aryan people from the pontic steppe, why are they pictured as mongoloids?
No they don't. Look that DNA test, they are absolutly ancestors of Huns.
@@CruWiT
Huh ? 😂😂😂
@@CruWiT
DNA tests dont link them to huns
Herodotus also mentioned that he heard other stories too but wrote the one that he liked the most
You know since the ending was like the ending of one of those mythical Greek stories (greed and arrogance leading great humans to their demise) and since Herodotus was a Greek, this story most probably is just a myth
Other historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe
While Tomyris story might be the most famous one, that doesn't mean that it's the most accurate one
The most accurate story, about his death is most probably the one that Ctesias wrote
Ctesias had lots of mistakes while writing about Cyrus life but his record of Cyrus death seems way more logical
According to him, Cyrus fought the Derbices and won but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of the battle and that's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and way closer than Central Asia and unlike Massagetaes, who lived in seperate tribes (like Greek city states), they lived in a region and had way more manpower than Scythians and even had allies with war elephants from india
Meaning, they had enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000 specially when living in modern day north of Iran (where i live) which gives them the terrain advantage
The only advantage the Massagetaes had was a river which according to Herodotus, they let Cyrus army cross it
And they had no city walls, no fortresses, no trenches and not even enough manpower
How many people lived in ONE nomadic tribe ? 3,000 ? 4,000 ?
Let's say 5,000-10,000
How many of them could fight ?
While the Achaemenids are known for their large armies which are estimated between 50,000 to 200,000
They were professional fighters armed with almost any weapon imaginable at the time and were familiar with nomadic fighting styles and battle tactics and were being led by the greatest warlord at the time who won every battle he fought against mighty empires
The terrain here in the north is great for a local army to defend against a superior invading army
Plus, Ctesias worked at Artaxerxes II royal court and that means he had access to the Achaemenid sources
He even mentioned the number of casualties of both sides and the number of Cyrus reinforcements
Take a look at Cyrus conquest map on Google
Massagetae territory is shown as conquered and there was even a city fortress called Cyropolis near there
There's not even an evidence for Tomyris existence beside Herodotus few sentences
Massagetae was subjugated by Darius I, according the conquest map. In the Steppe tribes, usually 1 out of 5 was combat ready unit (1 out of 3 as well if necessary). Derbixes were another Scythian tribe. Massagetae lived in a mawerannahr which although small in size, nowadays has around 40 million population (half of Iran).
If they had 100 000 population they could mobilize up to 33 thousand troops. About the size Alexander used to conquer whole persian empire which was much bigger at the time of Darius IV, than during the years of Cyrus. Plus we know about battles when Steppe Nomads defeated enemies much more numerous. Tumu (20k vs 500k) Oirats under Esen vs Ming. Baideng, Huns under Modu Darkhan vs Han (20-40k vs 320k). Yehuling, Mongols under Genghis Khan vs Jin (90k vs 400k) and so on.
So Cyrus was no big deal compared to East Asian Emperors might.
@@Adil_Turysbek_TVRC Herodotus story has too many flaws if you look deeply into the story
I mean finding out about wine and instantly loving it and getting drunk ? Really ?
Herodotus mentioned that he heard other stories too, but wrote the one that he liked the most because he thought it was more epic
You know since the ending was similar to the ending of one of those mythical Greek stories (greed and arrogance leading great humans to their demise) and since Herodotus was a Greek, this story is very debatable and has many things wrong with it if you think about it
Other Greek or Roman historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe and each one wrote a different story
The most famous one, doesn't always mean the most accurate one
The most logical story about his death that i've heard up until now, is the one that Ctesias has written
Ctesias had his mistakes while writing about Cyrus life but his record of Cyrus death seems way more logical and the fact that he worked at the Achaemeinid royal court kinda increases the accuracy since he could've had access to their history sources
He's also written the numbers of casualties on both sides (though probably exaggerated numbers), the name of the king of the rebel Derbices, the number of Cyrus Scythian reinforcements and name of the Scythian king who led them
Plus some information about how the battle went
According to him, Cyrus fought the Derbices (Iranian tribal people in Hyrcania) and won the battle but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of that battle
That's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and that Cyrus didn't immediately die and it was way closer than Central Asia
Unlike Massagetaes (eastern Iranic nomadic people), who lived in seperate tribes (like Greek city states), they lived in a unified satrapy and had more manpower than a Scythian tribe and even had allies with war elephants from India
Meaning, they had the terrain advantage and enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000 men, specially when living in modern day north of Iran (where i live)
These lands are perfect for Guerilla warfares
According to Herodotus, the only advantage the Massagetaes had was a river which they let Cyrus army cross it without even harrassing it
What kind of wise military commander would do that ?
They were in open plains, with no city walls, no fortresses, no trenches, no natural barriers, not even enough manpower and they let the enemy pass their only line of defence
How many people lived in ONE nomadic Scythian tribe in 530 BC ? 3,000 ? 4,000 ?
Let's say 5,000-10,000
How many of them could fight ?
While the Achaemenids are known for their large armies which are estimated between 50,000 to 200,000
They were professional fighters armed with almost any weapon imaginable at the time and were familiar with nomadic fighting styles and battle tactics (they themselves were nomads once) and were being led by the greatest warlord at the time who won every battle he fought against mighty empires or even other Scythian tribes according to other Greco Roman historians
The terrain here in the north is great for a local army to defend against a superior invading force
And if we take a look at Cyrus conquest map, he'd conquered territories up to Aral sea/lake in central Asia
Massagetae territory is shown next to Dahae territories under Aral sea/lake in most of the maps and according to Cyrus map, he conquered that province and there was even a city fortress called Cyropolis near there
While there's no evidence of Tomyris existence beside Herodotus few sentences
If she had indeed killed him in battle and completely destroyed his army, then why there's no report of her raiding and plundering or even conquering the reach defenseless Achaemeinid territories or Cyrus son, Cambyses, a vengeful cruel man (at least according to Herodotus) campaign against them ?
Darius the great mentioned the names of the people who REVOLTED against him, right after he became king, in his inscription, and the Scythians of Central Asia (beyond the jaxartes) were among the rebels (the man in the end of the line)
And since the word revolt has been used, we can assume they were already conquered by Cyrus
As far as i know, even Alexander's historians didn't say anything about his skeleton's head missing
Ali Sami Shirazi also identified the two corpses/skeletons in his tomb as Cyrus and Cassandane's
If what Herodotus says is true, and Massagetaes took Cyrus body and cut his head off, then what are those remains even doing in his tomb ?
@@Adil_Turysbek_TVRC Greeks had superior battle equipments and a great strategist
It was Darius III
There's no Darius IV
My ancestors now I am Sikh jatt
😂😂😂😂 you indian
And your a Muslim while you have a name Han a title of SCYTHIANS meaning Royal.
Sikh might very well be of Scythian descendant
🖖😆😆😆😂😅
Ok
Can u check what title they use Tarkhan
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Proud of these blood brothers of the gets (my ancestors). 🇷🇴❤✊🏼
Since where are Romanian trace a Scythian origins???
@@MAKDÁVID-KRIŽ I’m a jat from north India we have Upto 50% steppe ancestry, vedix jats have 40% plus direct srubnaya Mlba
@@MAKDÁVID-KRIŽ a lot of Romanis gets jutes etc goth are all said to be from same tribe that conquered that whole area our tribes settled all over the place
@@abzd5906 The question was actually towards Romanians whom created some fictions like claiming that Deutsch-Dutch-Dutchian-Dacian-Daci where a Romanian speaking group and such a Roman Latino which what they are trying to do with Get-Gott-Gothic and pretty much everyone else in order to claim the land and history of others as they while branding the same groups as foreigners.
It’s a common thing that Romanians claim Romani history and identity as they own in order to rebrand it as somehow Roman .
As for Hindu -Kush it’s a historical fact that Hun-Han Scythians lived in those lands which was interconnected to Western lands which is actually supported by many evidence where in archeo-genetics it became clear that Scythians where a GaL,GauL,Gaelic tribal alliance whom moved between PortuGaL,BenGal and MonGolia and so connected Iberian peninsula with Caucasian Iberian Kingdom and Siberia like other lands.
This why there is Bihar in Hungary and there is Bihar in India for example or this why Jász people when converted by Romanian where renamed to iasi but generally have retained a connection to Lasi people in India …in cultural,identity etc.
It’s like Italian researcher Michelangelo Naddeo whom traced his origins back to Hungarians and then expanded his research and came to a conclusion that Hungarian related groups still exist in Hindu-Kush and other areas was often branded as somehow “Gypsie” by Italians or other pro Mediterranean Indo-Evropean theory supporter while actually having a local and actually local genetics just as Hungarians since Mediterraneans doesn’t like to reminded that they where influenced in cultural,genetics…and other way by Hungarian-Scythians which is the reason why they have a version of Aryan religion hence they pray as Buddhist or have a Buddhist meditation tool called rosary.
It’s not hard to determine that Michelangelo Naddeo phenotype is common in west but again is also common in Northern India but being a sensitive topic it is usually something people doesn’t like to talk about.
ruclips.net/video/ALS7eeuIWF4/видео.html
@@MAKDÁVID-KRIŽ enciclopediagetodacilor.blogspot.com/
Gets most probably migrated from the Asian steppes to the Danube and settled there in the 8th century b.Chr .
The descendants of the Scythians belong to the native speakers of the Türkic languages (translated from Russian)
“Scientists from the Institute of Cytology and Genetics of the Siberia Branch of the Academy of Sciences (Russia), together with colleagues from Germany, the USA and France, conducted the largest genetic study of carriers of the Scythian culture from all over Eurasia in order to understand the demographic foundations of the history of the Scythians. It turned out that the Scythians from different ends of the Eurasian steppe are closer to each other than to other peoples, and their descendants belong to the speakers of the Turkic languages. The research results are presented in the journal Nature Communications.”
Scientists worked with genome-wide data on eight individuals and mitochondrial DNA of 96 people who lived in the first millennium BC in the Eurasian steppe, from the Black Sea region to Altai.
It turned out that behind the unity of the Scythian culture of the Iron Age, traced by archaeological discoveries, lies a genetic unity. Despite the fact that the Scythians of eastern and western Eurasia originally belonged to different peoples, over time, the flow of genes, going in both directions, led to the unification of this people throughout the steppe. As for the origin of the Scythians, the researchers distinguish two main components: the peoples of the Yamnaya culture (Eurasian nomads of the Bronze Age) and the peoples of East Asia (northern Siberia).
As for the descendants of the Scythians, genetically closest to them are modern populations living near the Scythian burials excavated by archaeologists - which indicates some continuity between population groups. The descendants of the Western Scythians can be found among the various peoples of the Caucasus and Central Asia, and the eastern ones - only among the Turkic-speaking peoples (the Kypchak language group). The last link requires a separate study: it is usually believed that the expansion of the Turkic languages in Eurasia began much later, from the 6th century AD. The influence of the Scythians on the ethnogenesis of the Turkic peoples can be clarified in the framework of future genetic studies.
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www.sib-science.info/ru/institutes/skify-okazalis-predkami-03032017?fbclid=IwAR0D6fefbc_mu549OpNgNDHqBSOwAztb1Ad5uIBTrGNUx-WwN5g9WrPXiA8 )
No they were not turks
@@deanticocombar7529 they are.
@@CruWiT they are not
@@deanticocombar7529 Even Persian historic record they states that the Scythians are not Iranian. Persian record say for sythians "a warlike and dangerous people who come from far away, whose words cannot be understood, who ride well on horseback and use bows." They said that it is not clear what language they speak, What language do you think this could be? In addition, in the shahname of the Iranian writer Firdevsi, the people who live in the region where the Scythians live are called the "Turan", The Scythian people are called "Turanids". He tells about the Iran-Turan wars. Even the Iranians themselves do not see the Scythians as Iranian, but westernism tries to portray the Scythians as Iranian.
@@CruWiT They are Iranians Eastern Iranians not Turks they were Indo Europeans not turko mongols that is simple it was proved watch this and search it up.He never say that type of stuff which you are presenting.
But they looks like Chinese 🤔and Scythians they are not look like Chinese people.
Где вы увидели китайцев? Вы кажется никогда не видели китайцев в живую ))
@@uisun_
Still don't look like real scythians
I think Turks believe Scythians as Turkick because during the Turkick migration in 5th century many Scythian- Sarmatians assimilated in to the Turkick confederations.
But You can't say Scythians as Turks. It's fair to say Turks have some Scythian Ancestry.
Scythians were North Eastern Iranians.
Ossetians & Pamiris are the real descendants of the Scythians.
The scythian is strong than other human
Had she killed any man other than the great Cyrus, I would forgive her.
She didn't kill Cyrus
It's just herudouts claim who were born 100 Years after than Cyrus death
No parecen scythians
Очень похоже
They are not, just turanistic wet dream
These Scythian and Messagata tribes were Iranic speaking an Iranic language.
Now scythia or gog magog confined to dzulqarnain wall in the north of the earth at the northern tip of the Russia.because of his brutality
HAIL TOMIRIS !!!
Love from Romania! ✊🏼😠 🇷🇴🇷🇴
Since when are Romanians of Scythian origins?
Tomyris is turkic bro
Kazakhs already made the film you used in the clip
Kazakh stoled our history
Scythians were not Turkic
Watch kings and generals video about Scythians
They make videos based on reliable and accurate sources and books
That channel is mostly run by Turks
most stupid brain and claim history
No they were not turks only in your fantasy
@@deanticocombar7529 lol genetik araştırmalar ve kullandıkları alfabe ( pazırık kültürü) onların açıkça türk olduğunu gösteriyor, ağlayarak bunları günlüğüne yazabilirsin
AMAZONS RULE!!!
(Getae -Geto Dacia) Massa-getae Thyssa-Getae were (indo iranans)
What movie is that ?
Idk, "Bullsh*t"?
Tomyris
I believing what's more close to reality and that's Ctesias version
Try to be reasonable
That woman was also Iranian like Persians and we are proud of great Iranian women in our history like Pantea Arteshbod
I believe the one that is more logical and i already mentioned the reasons in my other comments
If that's not enough, Darius the great mentioned the name of those who REVOLTED against him in Bisotun Inscription and Sakas were part of the rebels
Meaning, they were subjugated before
You think a 70 year old man could travel from Pasargadae (south of Iran) to Aral sea in Central Asia back then just to fight a small tribe that the most problem it caused was raiding villages ?
He would've sent one his generals with a small army just like Darius I the great did
In many maps, Massagetaes are in the south of Aral sea/lake next to Dahaes (also Iranian nomadic people like Massagetaes), which in Cyrus the great conquest maps, that province is part of Cyrus empire
Herodotus himself mentioned there are several stories but he wrote the one he thought it's more epic
And guess what, this story exactly ended like some of the Greek myth stories which is People being killed because of their Greed
Scythians/afghan killed daryus looter
@@shamskhilji885 Scythians weren't Afghans
Some Scythian tribes might've been the ancestors of Afghans but they weren't all Afghan
Darius was successful in his Scythian campaign and Cyrus successfuly conquered Afghanistan
Look at Cyrus the great conquest map
All of middle east (except arabian peninsula and Egypt), Caucasus, Asia minor, Iran and a large part of Central Asia up to the Aral lake/sea, were conquered by him
If you Google the results of the Scythian campaign of Darius the great, it says that this campaign was a victory for the Achaemenids instead of defeat or stalemate
It also says that the Achaemenids conquered much of their cultivated lands and damaged their allies, forcing the Scythians to respect their power
In most of Achaemenid empire maps, the lands above the black sea are part of the Achaemenid empire
Also in Achaemenid inscriptions, the Scythians are shown as subjugated people and part of the empire
Странно что казахи и киргизы до сих пор носят головной убор как у саков но в Иране такого нет))
@@uisun_ It's strange the greatest history channel managed by Turks on RUclips, which makes videos based on accurate and reliable books and sources, keeps calling Scythians Iranian
It's strange when you search the name of every Scythian tribe in English their origins is written Iranian
Here are some examples i copy pasted some
The Massagetae or Massageteans, also known as Sakā tigraxaudā (Old Persian: 𐎿𐎣𐎠 𐏐 𐎫𐎡𐎥𐎼𐎧𐎢𐎭𐎠, romanized: Sakā tigraxaudā, lit. 'Saka who wear pointed caps')[1] or Orthocorybantians (Ancient Greek: Ορθοκορυβαντες, romanized: Orthokorubantes, lit. 'wearer of pointed caps'; Latin: Orthocorybantes),[2][3][4] were an ancient Eastern Iranian Saka people[5][6][7][8][9][10] who inhabited the steppes of Central Asia and were part of the wider Scythian cultures.[11]
The Alans (Latin: Alani) were an ancient and medieval Iranian nomadic pastoral people of the North Caucasus[1][2][3][4][5] - generally regarded as part of the Sarmatians, and possibly related to the Massagetae.[6]
The Sarmatians (/sɑːrˈmeɪʃiənz/; Ancient Greek: Σαρμάται, romanized: Sarmatai; Latin: Sarmatae [ˈsarmatae̯]) were a large confederation of ancient Eastern Iranian equestrian nomadic peoples of classical antiquity who dominated the Pontic steppe from about the 3rd century BC to the 4th century AD.
The Parni (/ˈpɑːrnaɪ/; Ancient Greek: Πάρνοι, Parnoi) or Aparni (/əˈpɑːrnaɪ/; Ἄπαρνοι, Aparnoi) were an East Iranian people[1][2] who lived around the Ochus[3][2][4] (Ancient Greek: Ὧχος Okhos) (Tejen) River, southeast of the Caspian Sea. It is believed that their original homeland may have been southern Russia from where they emigrated with other Scythian tribes.[2] The Parni were one of the three tribes of the Dahae confederacy.
The Dahae, also known as the Daae, Dahas or Dahaeans (Old Persian: 𐎭𐏃𐎠 Dahā; Ancient Greek: Δάοι Dáoi, Δάαι Dáai, Δαι Dai, Δάσαι Dasai; Latin: Dahae; Chinese: 大益 Dayi;[1] Persian: داهان Dāhān) were an ancient Eastern Iranian nomadic tribal confederation, who inhabited the steppes of Central Asia.[2]
The Cimmerians were an ancient Eastern Iranian equestrian nomadic people originating in the Caspian steppe, part of whom subsequently migrated into West Asia
The real heroic women are the Steppe Women like Tomiris, Zarina, Hua Mulan, Ketebike, Turandot or Khutulun. We are proud of our Steppe Women, the real Amazons.
Massagatae (Sarmatian's ancestor) VS Achameid or whatever Persian's ancestor...
The facts is real and perfect.not false
Iranians in search of identity 🤠
You search your identity. Iranians were born from aryan families. You are born from turkling families. The scythians were described by the Chinese herodotus and the other people's as red haired blue eyed fair skinned. I guess that's a turk😂😂
See Russian film
"The SCYTHIAN" ! Scuthizns or Scyths or Scolots were I.do-European or Caucasoides...nor Mo golo-Tatarizn nor Tûrcic !
Her name is TomrisHatun the wife from Hakan(Chief from SakaTuranian Clan=Turkistan) AlperTonga she lives on the Silkroad(Tashkent#Samarkant#Buhara#Merv...Today Usbek&Turkmen...nation's)thies Queen is not iranian the true is SakaSkyten from the Turanianturkish Steppfolk Nationality!
Indo-european is a language group, it is not a race group, language can spread by trade, slaveries. Why iranians are imagining they are related to europeans, scythians, slavs, or aryans. Those are all non scientific, if you look at history iranians/persians have not a small connection with white people. Look at iranians dark skinned middle eastern arabic people. Slavs are white skinned european people from different land marks, in between them there are turks. If you want to imagine keep on saying children stories, say nigerians are related to vikings, or say germans are related to japan 😂😂😂😂😂
nice movie
Because the characteristic are the same
Scythian is real not fantasy
Prove it
Scythian not lost tribe but scythian other name is gog magog
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Yet another iranophobic flick… too bad it’s not really historically accurate
Don't cry iranian 🤡
@@Khorasan_Turco
Don't cry turkified iranian
So this means Amazons did exist?
No they didn't as far as our knowledge goes. But the Sarmatian women fought in their armies alongside men in considerable numbers. They might have been the basis for that myth
This movie was full of historical mistakes
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Tomyris is one of the most accepted lies of Herodotus and abused by Feminists, Turks and etc.
Even though Herodotus himself admits that he chose this "story" to write instead of others because of how dramatic it was, people consider it as the most reliable account and don't even bother to question it. How could have Cyrus the great have a tomb in Persia if his army was annihilated and he himself beheaded?! Why doesn't his son Cambyses II avenge his father's death but conquers egypt? The Massagetae are amoung the subjects of the Achaemenid empire yet Herodotus doesn't talk about who conquers them. We have various other sources talking about the death of Cyrus the great such as Ctesias and Xenophon too for Christ's sake!
Tomris Khatun
Tomris Dukhtar !
@@middleeastrenwarriormen1017 Of course not. Don'be sad about that. You have great leaders like us Turks.
@@bilgekagan6678 Turk you say 😀 ? 😆😆😆😂😅
Imagine thinking that Scythians and the Saka were Turkic in 21st century
@@deanticocombar7529 Yes they were. You stop disrespectful.
Zhirinovsky about the Scythians, Polovtsy, Pechenegs, Turks as one people (sec 30-45)!
Jirinovski o skifax, polovtsax, peceneqax, turkax kak ob odnom narode (sek 30-45)!
Zhirinovski: İskitler, Peçenekler, Türkler bir xalqdır (sn 30-45)!
ruclips.net/video/kIB41Cj2v5E/видео.html
Iranic war !
Tomiris was Turkic female ruler warrior, who fought against the persians.
wow
The basis of the Scythians was the Massaget and Sak tribesBy 3 AD, the Huns joined the Massagets and Saks and founded the Turkic tribes. their descendants today🇺🇿🇰🇬🇦🇿🇰🇿🇹🇷🇹🇲🤟🗿🐺⚔️👊
@@KhazrataliZokirov The Massagetaes were a branch of the Scythians
You can check the Scythians origins from Britannica and any non Turkish sites
Even kings and generals, owned by a Turk, called them Iranian people in their vids
The Scythians were mixed with Turkic people 1,000 after the Achaemenid