I laugh at the cheesiness of the tai chi scene everytime, so you do not have to feel bad about doing so too! Buffy's "I didn't know you could do that" - when she first sees him doing it also always gets a guffaw out of me!
Revelations is an interesting episode as we get the gang finding out Angel is still alive, Willow and Xander contemplating an affair. It of course suits Xander to have Angel dead because even though he has Cordelia, and now nearly Willow, he is still madly jealous of Angel and Buffy and would drop both of those in an instant if Buffy wanted him. Great foreshadowing here again with Buffy and Faith. One thing about this show in particular is we have another English Baddie in Gwendolyn Post, along with Ethan Rayne, Drusilla and Spike etc. Faith referring to her as Mary Poppins was very funny. Another really good episode in S3 of which the quality of show improves leaps and bounds in a very near flawless Season.
As someone who has had cancer twice, and watched my mom have it, thank you. Thank you for your selflessness and spreading the word. I had no idea but will surely spread the word myself. Also great reaction as always.
I'm glad you've been surviving! I hope your last battle was the LAST battle! And yes, please, spread the word as much as you can! They could always use more donors!!!
A huge part of the tradgedy of this episode is the way they excluded Faith. If she'd been more in the fold, if Buffy had shared with her more, she wouldn't have been manipulated by Post OR Xander. But, oh man! A string of some of the best episodes of Buffy are up next!!!
Meta reason Faith wasn't included more was that Eliza Dushku was a minor and they were limited in how much she could work. In-story reason is that, to a large extent, Faith excludes herself. She doesn't respond well to the overtures that are made toward her. Her behavior when Buffy was doing the "I am going out with someone" bit near the beginning of the episode is really atypical for Faith. Could the others, particularly Buffy, have made more effort to include her. Yes. But did they really have reason to expect she'd be more open to those overtures than she had been before? Not really. The thing I want to know is how Faith is paying for that room as "Spartan" as it is? Where's the money coming from for a teen girl to pay for even a cheap hotel room? And how is an underage girl, with no guardian in sight, renting a hotel room to begin with?
@@coldservings Actually, right from the beginning, Faith was sharing her life and stories with Buffy and was interested in Buffy's life and experiences. She'd ask about this and that, not really knowing any better. Because Buffy had just gone through months of horror and trauma, (and was also not looking to "go halfsies" on her life) she shut Faith out. (We see her do the same to Scott Hope, thank goodness for small favors.) Also, Buffy's friends treated Faith like a way to ignore Buffy and get her back for not being around, then kinda dropped Faith, only seeing her when she was in the library or when they all went to kill something. Joyce had to MAKE Buffy invite Faith over with a guilt trip, that's how little Buffy actually liked socializing with her. The gang didn't like her. (except Giles, but he's an adult man and not the appropriate person to ask her over or visit)
I dislike the fact that Xander used Faith to go after Angel. Intentionally or not, it defintely wasn't necesary for him to say, "Can I come?" because it set her after him with Xander knowing Angel wasn't Angelus. Xander only considers what he did wrong, and only tries to stop Faith, once Giles was attacked (but by then his encouragement has allowed Faith to think she is in the right). With Faith being cut out of the group conversations, it's easy to understand Faith's decision while Xander is just, like always, not trusting Buffy and never earns the line, "I trust you," that he says to Buffy at the end. He clearly doesn't. Willow and Buffy were right to be upset with Xander, and he should be apologizing to Faith instead of Willow. His actions led to Buffy and Faith's friendship being shaky and Faith distrusting the group as a whole.
He knew exactly what he was doing! He made sure to phrase things a certain way to set her off, and like hell will he ever be sorry about it. I'm so disappointed, but not surprised.
@@TheRiskPig 👏 Defintely! 👍 I've had debates with people trying to say it wasn't, but even if he didn't do it intentionally (I think he did do so intentionally) he doesn't earn the line of saying he trusts Buffy.
His actions are...uncalled for, but more or less understandable. ...At least until "I guess he's not as cured as you thought." While he's at his most annoying throughout the episode, I can accept his behaviour up until that point as a wrongheaded but understandable reaction to seeing Angel back - remember, he wasn't in the library when Buffy admitted that Angel was cured before she stabbed him, so he honestly didn't know until the library confrontation. But by the time he confronts her alone in the library, he has doubts that Angel attacked Giles and wants to reign Faith in before she does something they'll all regret. And he still rubs it in her face like this is her fault. Fuck off, Xander.
@@Talisguy "so he honestly didn't know" - well while being technically true he should at least have wondered why Buffy was intimate with him if that where the case considering that they were trying to kill each other in S2 when he was "not cured".
@@Talisguy SPOILERS There's a reason he wasn't in the library when Buffy admitted Angel was cured before Angel was stabbed. She knew how he'd react. I won't believe Willow didn't tell him, though. Xander having doubts should only be fueled if he disbelieved and/or doubted when Giles was unconscious. His issues were about disliking Angel and he only realized his actions would have consequences after the fact of Giles being unconscious. And he still said (and I'm bastardizing the quote here), "[Faith's a big girl. She can make her own decisions" deflecting his own actions onto her. I dislike Xander the second he chose not to trust Buffy and ran to the group doing what he, in the _Enemies_ episode, says he enjoys doing. Which is saying, "I told you so." And he is never right when doing it, either.
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In addition to what you said about Xander, I'd like to point out his hypocrisy. The only reason he didn't participate in tje murder and cannibalism of Principal Flootie was that he was busy attempting felony SA against Buffy. But that's okay because it wasn't his fault (and he pretends not to remember to avoid dealing with any consequences). And whenever there's a dogpile on Buffy, you can count on him to be the most venomous participant. As for why Xander would be the one to discover Angel, of course he had to be. The writers' mission is always how they can make Buffy suffer most. On the subject of Angel vs. Angelus, the analogy I use is an identical twin. One twin does horrible things to someone and the other, even if completely innocent, can still evoke the same emotional reaction because the emotions don't generally connect very well to the intellect.
The Angel/Angelus line is a lot more blurry than that, though... They get treated like separate people and named differently, but he is and will always be the same vampire - Angelus - at the core. The soul just gives him a conscience, the weight of guilt, and a *reason* not to do the terrible things he wants to do. Angel has to see himself as the same person in order to feel the guilt and keep his soul. We can assume he wouldn't have done the terrible things he did if his soul was present, but he himself knows he wanted to do them and enjoyed them. Not trusting Angel - especially when everyone is well aware of what he's capable of - isn't really as unfair as we'd like to think. It's a huge gray area, and i find it interesting to think about. :)
@@dennicaid7682 The soul is his identity. "You die and a demon sets up shop in your old home. It walks and it talks and it remembers your life but it's not you." And "I've had a demon inside me for a couple hundred years, just spoiling for a good fight," Yes, Angel remember's what Angelus did, just as the demon remembers what Liam (don't think using his pre-turning name counts as a spoiler although I don't recall if it's been given by this point) did in "first person" as though it had lived that life. The human soul, which didn't commit any of the atrocities suffers because it remembers as if it had done them. The demon which did does not. And if the human soul stops suffering for even an instant, it goes away and the demon, which doesn't suffer, takes control? I mean, after that moment of "perfect happiness" the human soul would _probably_ return to suffering, but the demon won't. Thus the suffering ends. The Gypsy curse was stupid from the beginning to the end. They just wanted _someone_ to suffer and didn't care if it was the same individual who actually did the crimes just so long as it looked like them (or in this case was driving the "meatsuit"). But let's consider the idea of the soul being the conscience and not the identity. What you've got then, without the soul, is an individual who has no conscience. I.e. an individual with extreme Antisocial Personality Disorder, who doesn't fundamentally understand the difference between right and wrong. That's legally insane and, therefore, not responsible for his actions. But unlike real-world APD, Angelus can be cured. Indeed, Jenny Calendar referred to it as a "cure." Kill a person because they used to be insane? That's a morally defensible position? Oh, he might go insane again? Well, maybe, but the "Department of Pre-Crime" were the _villains_ of the movie. Yes, I do tend to run on and overthink these things. It's an autism thing.
I would think Giles might have been a little bit more understanding considering he realizes that Angel was turned back to himself before she had to kill him. Yes, she should have told him, but I think them acting like Angel with a soul is the same guy as the murderer when they all know better. Why else did they do that spell in the first place?
Congratulations on finishing your finals. Very proud of all the work you have been doing. As far as what would have happened if Giles had found Angel first. I honestly think Ripper would have come out and straight up killed him. Because of what he did to Jenny.
speaking as someone who didn’t do well in college, congratulations. Seriously; at the risk of sounding egotistical, I’m always impressed when people succeed at something I (really) didn’t. Couple of quick questions: how much of the MCU have you seen (if any), and would you be interested in things which may have been pulled from Buffy and used in the films (lines of dialog and the like)? I try not to be the oversharing geek; if that sort of thing isn’t your jam, no worries.
Thank you so much! And no worries, I totally understand what you mean. I've seen all but Guardians 3 and Ant-Man 3, but that's from lack of interest. Sure, by all means!
Heh; sounds like you bailed from the MCU about when I did. Also, the timing of “Tuesday” your comment was uncanny. :) Disclaimer: I’ve no idea how many of the MCU thingies are legit and how many are coincidences. That said, the callback: @9:37, Xander tells Giles “you’re not the Watcher of me” (you can see it in the subtitles). In Ultron, shortly after the gang arrives at Barton’s, Tony goes into the barn to fix the tractor and meets Fury. Some banter, and then Tony says “you’re not the Director of me”.
I know a person and vampire are different. But I know to much about Angel to say he's innocent in any capacity. So yeah. I get the others not trusting him.
Congratulations on your finals. Also, way to go on the its Tuesday line. I laughed so hard. Also that Giles' scene is a priceless Giles scene to me. Am I the only one that doesn't like this episode but loves a couple of scenes in it?💜
I actually think this episode, in the long run, will bring them closer together, I understand why Buffy kept Angel as a secret, but Xander saw Buffy kissing Angel, you may not agree but I actually feel he wants to protect Buffy, his approach my be harsh but love can be blind and I wouldn’t trust Angel yet!! But it’s going to be interesting when they find out about Willow and Xander…. these are just my thoughts; Kristin, good call on the new Watcher
One of the cool things about this show is you don't always notice it when they're building to something.
I love your Buffy reactions they're so amazing keep it up and stay strong
I laugh at the cheesiness of the tai chi scene everytime, so you do not have to feel bad about doing so too!
Buffy's "I didn't know you could do that" - when she first sees him doing it also always gets a guffaw out of me!
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Revelations is an interesting episode as we get the gang finding out Angel is still alive, Willow and Xander contemplating an affair. It of course suits Xander to have Angel dead because even though he has Cordelia, and now nearly Willow, he is still madly jealous of Angel and Buffy and would drop both of those in an instant if Buffy wanted him. Great foreshadowing here again with Buffy and Faith. One thing about this show in particular is we have another English Baddie in Gwendolyn Post, along with Ethan Rayne, Drusilla and Spike etc. Faith referring to her as Mary Poppins was very funny. Another really good episode in S3 of which the quality of show improves leaps and bounds in a very near flawless Season.
As someone who has had cancer twice, and watched my mom have it, thank you. Thank you for your selflessness and spreading the word. I had no idea but will surely spread the word myself.
Also great reaction as always.
I'm glad you've been surviving! I hope your last battle was the LAST battle! And yes, please, spread the word as much as you can! They could always use more donors!!!
Congrats on getting through your finals!
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A huge part of the tradgedy of this episode is the way they excluded Faith. If she'd been more in the fold, if Buffy had shared with her more, she wouldn't have been manipulated by Post OR Xander.
But, oh man! A string of some of the best episodes of Buffy are up next!!!
Meta reason Faith wasn't included more was that Eliza Dushku was a minor and they were limited in how much she could work. In-story reason is that, to a large extent, Faith excludes herself. She doesn't respond well to the overtures that are made toward her.
Her behavior when Buffy was doing the "I am going out with someone" bit near the beginning of the episode is really atypical for Faith.
Could the others, particularly Buffy, have made more effort to include her. Yes. But did they really have reason to expect she'd be more open to those overtures than she had been before? Not really.
The thing I want to know is how Faith is paying for that room as "Spartan" as it is? Where's the money coming from for a teen girl to pay for even a cheap hotel room? And how is an underage girl, with no guardian in sight, renting a hotel room to begin with?
@@coldservings Actually, right from the beginning, Faith was sharing her life and stories with Buffy and was interested in Buffy's life and experiences. She'd ask about this and that, not really knowing any better. Because Buffy had just gone through months of horror and trauma, (and was also not looking to "go halfsies" on her life) she shut Faith out. (We see her do the same to Scott Hope, thank goodness for small favors.)
Also, Buffy's friends treated Faith like a way to ignore Buffy and get her back for not being around, then kinda dropped Faith, only seeing her when she was in the library or when they all went to kill something. Joyce had to MAKE Buffy invite Faith over with a guilt trip, that's how little Buffy actually liked socializing with her. The gang didn't like her. (except Giles, but he's an adult man and not the appropriate person to ask her over or visit)
I dislike the fact that Xander used Faith to go after Angel. Intentionally or not, it defintely wasn't necesary for him to say, "Can I come?" because it set her after him with Xander knowing Angel wasn't Angelus. Xander only considers what he did wrong, and only tries to stop Faith, once Giles was attacked (but by then his encouragement has allowed Faith to think she is in the right). With Faith being cut out of the group conversations, it's easy to understand Faith's decision while Xander is just, like always, not trusting Buffy and never earns the line, "I trust you," that he says to Buffy at the end. He clearly doesn't. Willow and Buffy were right to be upset with Xander, and he should be apologizing to Faith instead of Willow. His actions led to Buffy and Faith's friendship being shaky and Faith distrusting the group as a whole.
He knew exactly what he was doing! He made sure to phrase things a certain way to set her off, and like hell will he ever be sorry about it. I'm so disappointed, but not surprised.
@@TheRiskPig 👏 Defintely! 👍
I've had debates with people trying to say it wasn't, but even if he didn't do it intentionally (I think he did do so intentionally) he doesn't earn the line of saying he trusts Buffy.
His actions are...uncalled for, but more or less understandable. ...At least until "I guess he's not as cured as you thought."
While he's at his most annoying throughout the episode, I can accept his behaviour up until that point as a wrongheaded but understandable reaction to seeing Angel back - remember, he wasn't in the library when Buffy admitted that Angel was cured before she stabbed him, so he honestly didn't know until the library confrontation. But by the time he confronts her alone in the library, he has doubts that Angel attacked Giles and wants to reign Faith in before she does something they'll all regret. And he still rubs it in her face like this is her fault.
Fuck off, Xander.
@@Talisguy "so he honestly didn't know" - well while being technically true he should at least have wondered why Buffy was intimate with him if that where the case considering that they were trying to kill each other in S2 when he was "not cured".
@@Talisguy SPOILERS
There's a reason he wasn't in the library when Buffy admitted Angel was cured before Angel was stabbed. She knew how he'd react. I won't believe Willow didn't tell him, though.
Xander having doubts should only be fueled if he disbelieved and/or doubted when Giles was unconscious. His issues were about disliking Angel and he only realized his actions would have consequences after the fact of Giles being unconscious. And he still said (and I'm bastardizing the quote here), "[Faith's a big girl. She can make her own decisions" deflecting his own actions onto her.
I dislike Xander the second he chose not to trust Buffy and ran to the group doing what he, in the _Enemies_ episode, says he enjoys doing. Which is saying, "I told you so." And he is never right when doing it, either.
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Tell everyone you know about it! So many lives could be saved just by spreading the word. 😁
The opening quote is so familiar, but I can't place it for the life of me. Love to hear all the wonderful news about your classes & your donor recipient!!! Can't wait to learn more about your project!
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Young Frankenstein! You as well, have a happy new year!
@@TheRiskPig Thank you! Happy New Year!! ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
Joss Whedon once said he felt most closely related to Xander and calling him 'the hart of the group' .... So that means jealous and vindictive ?
In addition to what you said about Xander, I'd like to point out his hypocrisy. The only reason he didn't participate in tje murder and cannibalism of Principal Flootie was that he was busy attempting felony SA against Buffy. But that's okay because it wasn't his fault (and he pretends not to remember to avoid dealing with any consequences).
And whenever there's a dogpile on Buffy, you can count on him to be the most venomous participant.
As for why Xander would be the one to discover Angel, of course he had to be. The writers' mission is always how they can make Buffy suffer most.
On the subject of Angel vs. Angelus, the analogy I use is an identical twin. One twin does horrible things to someone and the other, even if completely innocent, can still evoke the same emotional reaction because the emotions don't generally connect very well to the intellect.
The Angel/Angelus line is a lot more blurry than that, though... They get treated like separate people and named differently, but he is and will always be the same vampire - Angelus - at the core. The soul just gives him a conscience, the weight of guilt, and a *reason* not to do the terrible things he wants to do. Angel has to see himself as the same person in order to feel the guilt and keep his soul. We can assume he wouldn't have done the terrible things he did if his soul was present, but he himself knows he wanted to do them and enjoyed them. Not trusting Angel - especially when everyone is well aware of what he's capable of - isn't really as unfair as we'd like to think.
It's a huge gray area, and i find it interesting to think about. :)
@@dennicaid7682 The soul is his identity. "You die and a demon sets up shop in your old home. It walks and it talks and it remembers your life but it's not you." And "I've had a demon inside me for a couple hundred years, just spoiling for a good fight,"
Yes, Angel remember's what Angelus did, just as the demon remembers what Liam (don't think using his pre-turning name counts as a spoiler although I don't recall if it's been given by this point) did in "first person" as though it had lived that life.
The human soul, which didn't commit any of the atrocities suffers because it remembers as if it had done them. The demon which did does not. And if the human soul stops suffering for even an instant, it goes away and the demon, which doesn't suffer, takes control? I mean, after that moment of "perfect happiness" the human soul would _probably_ return to suffering, but the demon won't. Thus the suffering ends.
The Gypsy curse was stupid from the beginning to the end. They just wanted _someone_ to suffer and didn't care if it was the same individual who actually did the crimes just so long as it looked like them (or in this case was driving the "meatsuit").
But let's consider the idea of the soul being the conscience and not the identity. What you've got then, without the soul, is an individual who has no conscience. I.e. an individual with extreme Antisocial Personality Disorder, who doesn't fundamentally understand the difference between right and wrong. That's legally insane and, therefore, not responsible for his actions. But unlike real-world APD, Angelus can be cured. Indeed, Jenny Calendar referred to it as a "cure."
Kill a person because they used to be insane? That's a morally defensible position? Oh, he might go insane again? Well, maybe, but the "Department of Pre-Crime" were the _villains_ of the movie.
Yes, I do tend to run on and overthink these things. It's an autism thing.
I would think Giles might have been a little bit more understanding considering he realizes that Angel was turned back to himself before she had to kill him. Yes, she should have told him, but I think them acting like Angel with a soul is the same guy as the murderer when they all know better. Why else did they do that spell in the first place?
Congratulations on finishing your finals. Very proud of all the work you have been doing. As far as what would have happened if Giles had found Angel first. I honestly think Ripper would have come out and straight up killed him. Because of what he did to Jenny.
speaking as someone who didn’t do well in college, congratulations. Seriously; at the risk of sounding egotistical, I’m always impressed when people succeed at something I (really) didn’t.
Couple of quick questions: how much of the MCU have you seen (if any), and would you be interested in things which may have been pulled from Buffy and used in the films (lines of dialog and the like)? I try not to be the oversharing geek; if that sort of thing isn’t your jam, no worries.
Thank you so much! And no worries, I totally understand what you mean. I've seen all but Guardians 3 and Ant-Man 3, but that's from lack of interest. Sure, by all means!
Heh; sounds like you bailed from the MCU about when I did. Also, the timing of “Tuesday” your comment was uncanny. :)
Disclaimer: I’ve no idea how many of the MCU thingies are legit and how many are coincidences. That said, the callback: @9:37, Xander tells Giles “you’re not the Watcher of me” (you can see it in the subtitles). In Ultron, shortly after the gang arrives at Barton’s, Tony goes into the barn to fix the tractor and meets Fury. Some banter, and then Tony says “you’re not the Director of me”.
I know a person and vampire are different. But I know to much about Angel to say he's innocent in any capacity. So yeah. I get the others not trusting him.
Congratulations on your finals. Also, way to go on the its Tuesday line. I laughed so hard. Also that Giles' scene is a priceless Giles scene to me. Am I the only one that doesn't like this episode but loves a couple of scenes in it?💜
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I don’t think Oz would have been cool about it. Willow was almost killed by Angel’s(Angelus) minions.
Ah, yeah, that's fair. I also thought Giles would have been more understanding, before I saw what actually happened after the intervention.
I always forget how much I hate Xander and his Angel hysteria. And I was never a fan of Angel himself.
I actually think this episode, in the long run, will bring them closer together, I understand why Buffy kept Angel as a secret, but Xander saw Buffy kissing Angel, you may not agree but I actually feel he wants to protect Buffy, his approach my be harsh but love can be blind and I wouldn’t trust Angel yet!! But it’s going to be interesting when they find out about Willow and Xander…. these are just my thoughts; Kristin, good call on the new Watcher