Buffy the Vampire Slayer REACTION I 3x07 Revelations
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These episodes keep getting harder and harder to edit 😭 There’s so much I want to keep in for all of them! This was another really good episode even though it made me angry lol I sure did ramble on for a while in this one though. What did you guys think of this one?
It's understandably frustrating to edit for a show like Buffy that revolves around dialogue, and contains a lot of subtle humor throughout the episode. You wanna keep that stuff in. Some advice: there are two episodes in the future that you should try to keep as much in as possible, copyright monsters be damned. They're "special" episodes, and you'll understand when you see them (they're in season 4, and season 6). Like I said, you'll know which ones I mean once you watch them.
I legit love the rambling keep it going
My heart literally broke when Giles told Buffy to be quiet and reminded her of all Angelus did. He was so angry and disappointed with her. But I want Giles to be happy forever 😭
That scene was hard to watch..
I was on Buffy's side mostly, she was trying to figure out what to do and wasn't herself sure why or even how Angel was back, but I agree she messed up by not going to Giles.
Probably one of those things that once you decided to keep it a secret initially to figure things out, you then never reach that moment later when it feels good to reveal it.
I’m completely against Buffy on this. Angelus tried to kill Xander, Willow and Giles in the recent past. She should have raised it
@@jspettiferBuffy was obviously planning on telling them but it was obviously taking too long. Telling biased Xander is the LAST thing I’d do. Buffy shouldn’t atleast told Giles. Everyone acted too alarmed because Angel has his SOUL back. It’s not like he was still Angelus..
Great reaction to an underrated episode! Fun fact: the same year Serena Scott Thomas (Ms. Post) appeared in this episode she was in a James Bond film ('The World is Not Enough'.) She plays a doctor Bond charms into giving him a clean bill of health so he can go back into the field.
At this point I feel sorry for Faith. No one is really guiding her. While Buffy has family, friends and Giles, Faith is left alone to manage with the slayer's burden. Another big mistake by the Council which never seems to worry much about what's going on in Sunnydale Hellmouth until it's too late. They did not bother to inform Giles when Kendra was called, nor now about Miss Post. And poor Giles knocked unconcious one more time: after vampires, zookeepers, Buffy, Angel, now Miss Post!
Nit defending the Council, but to be fair regarding informing Giles of Kendra, they may not have known that Buffy came back to life. After all, a new Slayer is only called when the prior one dies, so they may have simply assumed she stayed dead. And Kendra's Watcher didn't seem to know that Buffy was alive, otherwise they would have told Kendra about Buffy.
I think it shows how much respect Giles has for Buffy that he's willing to wait and get on to Buffy privately instead of chewing her out along with everyone else but also of course he is the adult. But I feel like he handled the situation the right way.
Yes atleast he didn’t cause a SCENE like Xander
Though Buffy shouldve at least told Giles
But it still no fair that everyone including Giles can’t separate Angel from Angelus..
They probably get hostile because life and death are serious and they all know first hand what Angel can do. Also Buffy had months to tell them and only came clean when she was caught.
Months? Buffy meets Angel at the end of 3x4, this is 3x7. I don't see a reason to assume that multiple months have passed between these episodes.
@@roerd I don't see the reason why there wouldn't we don't know either way but my point was she had plenty of opportunities to tell someone and only told the truth when she had no choice.
People think Xander over reacts - in the second half of season 2 - he has to save Willow almost being killed by Angelus, is seconds away from being killed himself (saved by Dru), rescues someone who has been tortured for hours by Angelus and has had someone he knew killed by Angelus.
I’d be pretty upset in his situation.
@@jspettiferXander (and you) NEVER separate Angel from Angelus. They’re NOT the same. I’ll say for certain purposes Buffy shouldve atleast told Giles…he’s the adult who wouldn’t scold her unlike the others. But they acted like Angel was still evil. He wasn’t!..
@@MrSupertallblackmanBuffy shouldvd atleast told Giles,but you assuming there’s months between episodes makes no sense. After the stupid explosive argument in S3 Ep, I’m not trying to tell everyone but she definitely should’ve atleast told Giles…
23:00 That's how it started but I don't think Xander even recalls why he first started disliking Angel.
Giles or The Council should be doing more for Faith. She's younger than Buffy and she lives alone in a motel and isn't even enrolled in school.
I'm with you that she should be younger (I mean the age difference between the real age of the actresses match the difference when they where called as Slayers so she should be aprox 16) but it seems like the writers played that she was older then Buffy. However it's not like Faith is without any funds, the motel where she stays costs $210 per week (when adjusted for inflation) and you would probably get quite a good flat for that kind of money in Sunnydale (we know that the house prices are low there due to the Hellmouth).
I just wanted to post something nice about Xander since every other comment is somebody being hateful. He risks his life regularly in the good-versus-evil fight to try and help others, even strangers.
Cheers!
There’s a difference between being hateful and truthful, Xander is NOT perfect character . None of them..
Actually, the fact that Gwendolyn Post is so annoying at the beginning of the episode is kind of a smart move. A too nice new character would have been much more suspicious.
Riley sees Willow and Xander getting close ~ 🎵play evil music🤣
I feel so bad for Faith, and I always wonder what she would have said to Buffy.
Edit: I don’t know if anyone ever points this out, but I do think it’s important to note that Giles, unlike Xander, (while a little… snippy… at Buffy) waited until he could have a one on one conversation with her instead of bringing everything up in front of everyone like it was an attack.
Faith didn't tell Buffy what was on her heart.
Same with Willow who wanted to confess about her and Xander.
And I also believe that Giles being snippy there had more to do with Gwendolyn than Buffy.
@@Henrik_Holst I think it had to do with Jenny, too.
@@jeremyfrost2636 Jenny was probably a cause as well but as we saw in Becoming Part 1 he was not on Xanders side when he brought up Jenny.
The torture and having to see Jenny again in Becoming Part 2 could of course have changed this, but Im still convinced that Gwendolyn's constant snide remarks that the council is no longer respecting Giles since his watcher is no longer respecting him was affecting him. Aka Gwendolyn's gaslighting worked just as intended.
@@Henrik_Holst i think a little of both played a role, though I think Buffy keeping this secret from him hurt him, I do believe that Gwendolyn Price left him in an agitated mood when this happened
So much drama in Buffy is due to seeing/hearing things out of context. Faith sees Angel attacking Gwendolyn and assuming he's evil is just one example.
A good story always has good and bad on both sides, that's what makes it interesting.
I am addicted to this channel
The only thing to blame is the writers xD
Just because a Watcher is annoying doesn't mean they're evil...
Love your reactions! You’re just too sweet 💜❤️
I adore this channel! I can't wait for more shows in the future!
I hate defending Xander, but one thing I always find interesting is that he never actually explains that he was following/spying on Angel and not Buffy. Like, he wasn't actually spying on Buffy at all - she just happened to be with Angel when Xander was spying on him. Haha.
I like how much you refrain from taking sides. Its refreshing and a very kind disposition. One could only hope more people will pick up this trait.
Well to be fair there IS a such thing as one side being correct and the other being incorrect. It’s just not like that EVERY time. If I were Buffy, I would’ve at LEAST told Giles. I’d never trust Xander with information like that. Honestly they overrated cus Angel has hi# s👋 up back. He’s not evil anymore.
However if someone relates more to one side than another, it’s their choice. NOTHING wrong with it..
The main reason Xander hates Angel is because he's a Vampire and Vampire's murdered his best friend. It annoys me that people forget about Jessie and blame jealousy for everything.
Well... as a pro-Xander guy. I have to admit that yeah, there is a part of jealousy so people weren't totally wrong mentioning it. But yeah, jealousy don't make everything, and like you, I prefer when people see the other reasons for Xander's feelings towards Angel (which I think is not hatred, btw. Resentment would be a more accurate word to describe it. Cause if it was hatred, he wouldn't be able to make allowances and tried to temper Faith when they found Giles).
@@67Daidalos I'm not saying jealousy doesn't play a part in his behaviour I just don't think it's the main motivation. Xander is very protective of his friends and I think a lot of the time people can misinterpret that as being jealous.
Loved seeing your emotions going haywire throughout this reaction!
I agree with you, I really like Xander, but I think we're supposed to see many of his actions - particularly in this episode - as flawed and hypocritical. And I legitimately snorted out loud at your suggestion of 'evil music' whenever Xander and Willow get too close. Someone NEEDS to make that an edit!
Gwendolyn Post was smart, start by undermining the current Watcher, then drive a wedge between Faith and the others, taking advantage of how the Scoobies aren't communicating and keeping secrets. I don't like the 'TV timing' of Xander seeing Buffy & Angel kiss, too easy.
In the end Mrs. Post was 'disarmed' by Buffy and got what she deserved but I wish Faith had finished her thought with Buffy at the end, she's feeling betrayed and alone, out of the loop. This isn't good, she's the ID girl, look at how she took off after Angel with no evidence. She's a weak link. She ought to be in school or working for her GED or even get a job to support herself. She alone all day with nothing to do but think.
13:30 Xander Hates Angel. I don't think he even recalls why he started hating Angel.
It's because vampires killed his best friend, Jesse. Xander literally said, "I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're [vampires] bad."
@@torfinnzempel6123 That may be a contributing factor.
This is my favorite show. I don't mean "BTVS" I mean Riley's reactions. Rolling her eyes to Willow and Xander had me dying. She needs to watch ALL of my favorite shows. ;-)
Waiting oh so patiently for my favorite episode coming up soon!!
3x08? 🤣
They were training alright. Training for the assault with a friendly weapon Olympics.
I'm just surprised Giles didn't call the council earlier to check into Gwendolyn Post. That was actually pretty irresponsible. It's not like she came with written orders or anything.
he seemed to know of her, and the line that "they swear there was a memo" suggests that he should have known in advance if she was on the outs. so there was no reason to call the council about something he should have already known. if your uncle shows up, you don't call the rest of your family to double-check whether he's in good standing. if something had happened, you should already know.
Giles didn't come with written orders either. I just seems like that's the way things are done, so no reason for suspicion. She knew who Buffy, Faith and Giles all were and the circumstances of everything, which wouldn't just be common knowledge. It's one of those things you don't have any reason to doubt until something goes wrong. The things we take for granted of always doing to verify things, ONLY exist because of a previous problem that shows a need for it. Nobody having ever done this to the Watchers Council before doesn't give any reason to question.
Something I picked up on this time around: She tells Giles she's here to report on "the entire Sunnydale situation, including [him]." That a) puts Giles on the defensive, because he has done things the council disapproves of, and b) makes it look really bad when he calls the home office and asks, "Did you send someone to double check my job?".
your stress levels at xander-willow stuff are hilarious😂 , poor Faith
I am not on Buffys side with this argument but I still think "certain people" were too harsh on her. Xanders takes arguments just always one step too far. But if Buffy was convinced that Angel was no threat why would she not tell her friends that he is back? She has no logical reason to hide him.
I think she did it for emotional reasons, she still has some trauma left from having to kill him and everything that happened in S2. But she owes her friends and especially Giles the respect to tell them so I totally understand them beeing angry and disappointed.
buffy wasn't "convinced" of anything, except that things would quickly spiral out of control if she didn't get a handle on what stance she was going to take with them before giving them this knowledge, and lo and behold, things quickly spiraled out of control when they gained the knowledge before she had a handle on what stance she was going to take with them.
Yeah well, how long was she going to take her time with that? She kept it a secret for 4 episodes, so if you count that one season is approximately one year, she kept her friends in the dark for 2 months! And by the look on her face when they found out, you know that she was nowhere near of telling them.
And after her friends find out, they have that short intervention and fallout in the library but after that everything goes kind of back to normal. So why was it such a big deal?
@@IslandpferdeHaukagil
the library? who dafuq cares about the library? what about mortal combat at angel's house, and gwenny post anointing herself the god of thunder? that all could have gone a hell of a lot worse. it certainly was not all under control.
And all that has nothing to do with Angels return... They could have found the glove any other way and battled Gwen Post somewhere else, even if Angel had stayed in that hell dimension.
@@IslandpferdeHaukagil
would've been pretty difficult for faith to be too busy trying to kill angel to accurately ascertain the situation, if angel weren't there lol. the events of the episode weren't worth making an episode out of except for things spiraling out of control after the discovery of angel.
I was mostly okay with Xander in S01 & S02 it had its moments but I understood or could shrug them off.
Though re-watching this year: "Is he not out of that phase yet? I don't remember it going on this long or being this annoying."
Xander is no friend to Buffy - he is always really nasty to her
Xander can be an absolute asshole, and this episode is absolutely one of his low points, but on the whole, I don’t think he’s as bad as a lot of people say he is. I feel like people tend to overlook his better moments, while ignoring when the characters that they actually like do bad things. Cordelia, for example; in season one, she’s a vain, cruel, self-absorbed bully, but because her character develops over time, changing for the better, I feel like people tend to give her a pass.
Next episode might be my favourite in the whole show.
But I would argue the difference is with Cordy what does she really do? She's mean a bit. But she never does anything to get people killed. Not to say she isn't a bitch and her actions are OK but there's a bug difference between being a dick and getting people killed on purpose. Xander 100% instigated Faith's actions. Even more than Gwendolyn. When he sends Faith after Angel he asks "can I watch". Hes practically foaming at the mouth with joy at the thought of her killing him. Xander is a douche who occasionally does good things but 95% of the time he's completely motivated by selfish reasons,
@@russellward4624 This. If Xander was a real friend he would have simply talked to Buffy that he saw them, after that Buffy could have told Giles and the rest of the Scoobies instead the inquisition that he put on her.
@@russellward4624 I disagree that Xander is motivated by only selfish reasons, on more than one occasion he is willing to sacrifice his own life for others. In context to this episode, if you had a friend that was in an abusive relationship, (their much older partner tried to kill them and you and even succeeded in murdering a couple of people). Then sometime later your friend, returns to that relationship and has been keeping it a secret from everyone and you find out. Without knowing any context to their situation your immediate reaction maybe to protect your friend by any means possible? Xander hasn't seen Angel since he helped rescue Giles (who was being tortured) from Angel at the end of season 2? Does he make the correct choices to speak to Buffy first? No, he handles it awfully. But he's supposed to be around 17-18? and he's very immature and impulsive. His decision making is poor, but it only comes from a place of protecting his friends/Buffy not for any selfish reason. Vampires killed his best friend(pilot), he's entitled to dislike them. People will point at the fact he's jealous, but yet he didn't really show any jealousy with Scott Hope. Personally I think he's mostly frightened at seeing Angel back. I'm not going to give spoliers, but Cordelia and Angel's (with a soul) actions could be called in to question at times too.
@@AlexKing-ui6yk you're complelty misrepresenting Angel & Buffys relationship. They didn't have an abusive relationship. Angel lost his soul. Angelus and Angel aren't the same person so holding him responsible for his actions is like holding someone responsible when Professor X is using his mind control on you. Let's not pretend Xander was worried about Buffy and that's what motivated him or he'd be all for Angel getting his soul back which would save hundreds of lives. But he doesn't care about that at all. He's jealous and that's iI.
@@russellward4624 I agree that Angel shouldn't be accountable for Angelus's actions and i did misrepresent their relationship because it was Angelus that was abusive. But are you 100% sure Xander is able to separate the two angels in that moment? Even if he has figured out that Angel has his soul back, their relationship last time ended with murder and terror, and Buffy running away. As a viewer we've had time to see him come back and regain his mental state and care again for Buffy and be remorseful for what he did. For Xander there is none of that. Buffy not telling them can only make him feel uncertain and frightened. I don't think he did anything right in the situation i only disagree that its through selfishness or some master plan to kill Angel so he can be with Buffy. His emotions and past encounters with Angelus make it more complex than that. If you don't like Xander i'm not going to be able to change your mind and i do understand. I think he challenges Buffy's actions(and sometimes we need friends like that) and shes our heroine which riles us up, and we want her to be happy.
It's okay if you don't like Xander. He is frustrating. Though he has his moments, he rarely seems to live up to his potential. He is the "mere mortal" of the group, sometimes painfully so.
It sort of irritates me how much some people hate Xander.
He can be annoying, his insecurities, jealousy & idiocy are frustrating indeed but... (SERIOUS spoilers ahead. Do NOT read more unless you've seen it all before :P)
His peers have done arguable AND/or objectively worse things and have flaws just as deep but don't attract the same levels of hate.
The writers understand this. They have characters openly admit to their bs fairly often, but many many fans grow intense bias.
Buffy often lies to those she loves. Sometimes for no real reason. She has a superiority complex and feels guilty about it and THAT can make her behave even worse. She's used people, refused to "let people in," does NOT respect authority while complaining about responsibility AND has a meangirl streak (remember: "when she was bad"?) She often criticises others for faults she is also guilty of.
Willow is an addict who has often abused her friends (and their trust)
Giles has a shady past and goes through a mid life crisis.
All of them have either committed murder or made mistakes that lead to the death of innocents.
But "Xander is a bit possessive or even sexist sometimes" seems to be the justification. Willow ADMITS this fault (the jealousy part) herself when saying "I don't share my people well" which we can see MULTIPLE times from her jealousy over Xander, her dislike of Anya, her hiding (and later manipulation of) Tara.
I say this in full acknowledgement that Xander is my least favourite "scooby," and Willow my immediate and forever crush.
The only character who gets more hate for less reason is Riley, who people hate for being "boring" and for (essentially) not being Buffy's bitch (the man abandoned the institution that trained him to follow her. He always respected her and all of his insecurities were well founded on Buffy's distance and complete inability to show him the same respect. As Dawn said, she loves that he's "weak and kittenish" imagine if a male protagonist were to describe his girlfriend with EXACTLY the same words. Yeah. Now add in that male identity is OFTEN founded on "doing" it's way more undermining than anything Xander said to/about Anya, and everyone rightly recognises how shitty he was for that)
@@DmGray spoilers......
By season 7, Xander is pretty much useless
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Spoilers.....
True enough, though that's certainly by design. I'm just thankful Giles for his absolute badass moment in s6, otherwise he'd be in much the same boat, with his role and contribution often implied rather than shown (and so often overshadowed, obviously by design as it's a "coming of age" type story :P)
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for better and for worse, xander is generally less impactful in both directions. when buffy is frustrating, it should be easy to temper that frustration with the knowledge of all that she deals with, the number of times she's saved _your_ life in particular _just this week_ alone, etc. characters with greater burdens and more hero moments get more leeway. xander rarely "earns" his misbehavior, and he's particularly obnoxious about it. if his contributions aren't a net positive, then it's natural for people to ask why in the hell he's there at all, and can't he just go somewhere else?
as for riley, different people dislike him for different reasons and i don't think it's helpful to overgeneralize. bangel shippers hate that he's not angel, but i was glad to see angel gone so that's not me. the biggest issue with riley is how he responds to his issues. he feels like he needs to be "more of a man" and keep up with buffy, and that's a fool's errand, and was even for angel. it is notable tho that angel has this same problem in _i will remember you_ -- he has the chance to have a life with buffy without the strength of being a vampire, and he ultimately chooses the strength over the life with buffy. of buffy's three main entanglements, only spike ever truly and consistently seems comfortable with the fact that buffy's the strong one in the relationship.
Sometimes Buffy needs to get put into her place. When it comes to Angel and .... Buffy is reckless. Putting the lives of others in jeopardy to satisfy her wants.
One thing to keep in mind, is that Giles was under enormous stress from Mrs Post, especially for his relationship with Buffy and his role as a Watcher. And then all of a sudden something of enormous consequence is thrust at him fragmenting the trust in the relationship he has with Buffy. He would be feeling that he was on the precipice of losing his role as Watcher, and then to find that Buffy kept Angel secret from him thus not trusting him would have been devastating. "You have no respect for me or the role I perform".
In regards to the group meeting, l I feel like it was an attempt at an intervention, in the way a group of friends may confront a friend who is having trouble with drugs. It is supposed to be confrontational and uncomfortable, but Xander messed it up by being way over emotional and aggressive (likely feeling guilt about the Willow thing contributed to that, also as you said his jealousy of Angel). Xander was right to go to Giles, it was a critical issue that had to be addressed immediately, but he was completely wrong in the meeting.
The point of presenting a dilemma is to make you think. Both sides of the issue have some validity, and both sides have drawbacks. It's perfectly okay to be divided, because it means you're considering both positions.
So you don't have to decide, and someone will disagree no matter what you do decide. Especially because this is, after all, fiction, which is the best way to hash out these moral and philosophical dilemmas.
B: You must be so dissapointed in me. G: No, no I'm not. B: This is all my Fault.
G: I dont belive it is. Do you want me to wag my finger at you and tell you that you acted rashly? You did, and I, and I can... I know that you loved him, and he... has proven more then once that he loved you. You couldn't have known what would happend. The coming month are gonna be hard, I suspect on all of us, but... If its guilt you are looking for Buffy, I'm, I am not your man. All you will get from me is.. Is my support. And my respect.
NU NU NU ^_^7 your absolutly right about xander, hes a teenager, and hes conpensating for his own guilt by doubling down on BUFFY being guilty, mabey one day that boy will learn, its all we can hope for any teenager, i my self was sh*tty teen :P
hi riley im also a buffy fan im from cebu city my real name is Benjie can we be friends?
While Xander was, and maybe still is into Buffy, his reason for not liking Angel isn't jealousy. It goes back to the very first episode "I don't like vampires". They killed his friend and to him it's black and white. Vampires are bad. He doesn't differentiate much with the having a soul. He hasn't really actively hated every other guy Buffy has dated or shown interest in. The frat guy yes, but all this time he's dislike Angel but not other guys shows it's not jealousy.
Warning: not coming for you but this will be a Xander reply. It's funny, the hostile group scenes where they disagree and argue are some of my favorite moments. Feels real. Let's be honest, the way Xander and Giles deliver their gut wrenching lines this ep makes for an interesting watch. If everyone was even keel like Willow there would be no internal conflict and make for a boring show. It's just nice to see someone speak with passion and gusto. Albeit sometimes misaligned it is not without truth. The internal struggle is just as appealing to watch for me as the external big bads.
It's also funny that you kept reassuring people that u don't hate Xander. Makes me wonder what's been going on your comment sections for the past few months. I admittedly stopped watching in that time because of a bad experience I had with another commenter for one of your eps. The person kind of incorrectly assumed that I was against the whole message of the show, i.e. female empowerment, because I critiqued buffy for letting her emotions skew her thinking. Forget what it was in regards to though. Pretty much everyone in this show falls victim to that, and that's a relatable human experience. I see the error in Xanders ways as much as I see in it in everyone. I think I see the hate for him tho from fans and REACT accordingly because fans try to act like he isn't a great and authentic character. But yeah, I'm back watching for now. Glad u are still watching and hopefully these comments don't put a damper on everything. Thinking about starting my own Angel reactions on YT.
This episode got to me, as well. Mainly because it has to alter Giles' personality/intellect to work. In the first episode (part 2), Buffy has to explain to Giles how vampires are "made". Upon reflection we see how ridiculous that was, and with _this_ episode Giles has a difficult time differentiating between _Angelus_ and _Angel,_ which is equally ridiculous.
It also bothers me that this is the _second_ time the group "gangs up" on Buffy, like they did in _Dead Man's Party_ ...which annoys me that they think they have some sort of "vote" on what the _Slayer_ is allowed to do or not do. There aren't a lot of instances of bad writing in _Buffy,_ but when there is it stands out all the more.
I mean it's not really bad writing, they absolutely do think they have a vote on what Buffy does when they really don't, it's fairly common among humans. I think them ganging up on her again is mostly just about residual feelings they have after Buffy came back, I agree that it's basically part 2 of Dead Man's Party's gang up. All they needed was an excuse so they can feel "right" about dumping their feeling on her again.
I think the only ones that behaved "correctly" (whatever that means) are Willow and Oz. She wanted to keep emotions in check by doing "I statements" and Oz brought up them kissing when Buffy said that they weren't together "like that" anymore, which is a very reasonable thing to bring up at that point. Getting pissed about being spied on is also reasonable and saying that it was a mistake should've ended the argument. In a perfect world, Xander would've gone to Giles and told him, Giles would then pull Buffy aside to tell her in private that Xander saw Angel when he was out looking for the glove, followed him and saw him kissing Buffy. This really didn't need to be this whole emotional dumping of feelings, but that's what they wanted so that's what happened.
I think Giles was just mad that all this happened while he thought that the Watcher's are saying that he isn't doing his job right and they would not differentiate between Angel and Angelus, so he thought this was the right thing to do "as a Watcher". But really he was also just dumping his feelings on Buffy, he didn't do it when she came back because he was too happy, so he probably never really dealt with his negative feelings.
He didn't make any attempt to get the glove back from Angel and the way he's speaking shows that he trusts that once he figured out how to get rid or destroy the glove, Angel will do it or at least not try to stop it or use the glove himself. He wouldn't think that about Angelus, so I think he definitely understands that they are not the same. My guess is that he felt bad about what he said as soon as Buffy left.
btw in the Pilot, Giles just asked if he will "rise again" (which is a reasonable question), not how vampires are made. She said no and he asked if she can "be sure" and Buffy responds with how vampires are made (for the benefit of the audience).
But her answer doesn't actually answer the question, she can't be sure, she's basically just relying on her own statistics that they "mostly just kill you", but there's no way for her to know if he's been turned or not, unless she sees blood on his mouth (and even then it's not a guarantee). Lack of blood doesn't mean he couldn't have been turned. So technically Giles was right to ask if she can be sure, because she can't.
The bad writing is more about telling the audience the rules instead of answering a question and then just moving on with the conversation as if it was an actual answer. It feels like exposition shoehorned into dialogue (though at that point Giles was preparing to give his "You are the Slayer" speech, arguing with a teenager he doesn't know wasn't gonna help him at that point).
Xander is the only reason that this series exists past season one, his saving her life is the one thing that makes Buffy different from every other slayer that has ever existed, so I will always have Xander‘s back.
As a teen I loved Xander as a 34yo woman I'm like.?. That explains a few ex boyfriends, ick. 😝
Its interesting that we all dislike what Zander and Willow are doing and yet we all cringe when Giles almost catches them. Shouldn't we want those 2 rascals to get caught for being bad?
I've never cringed in that moment. I frown at the fact that Giles failed to catch them.
@@Buffy8Fan He didn't fail to catch them he chose to not say anything about it.
@@Chuthulhu123 Even worse on Giles' part.
@@Buffy8Fan How is that worse it's none of his business what Xander and Willow get up to in their private lives he's not their parent.
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Tell Oz and Cordelia three episodes from now it isn't his business. He may not be their father, but he knows the dating situation and knowing the fallout that _will_ happen (they're cheating after all) in that situation requires a simple "Don't you think you owe it to Oz (or Cordelia - but knowing Giles talking to Xander would be like talking to a wall) to either let him down gently or stop what you are doing" type of line. Also, father and father figure in this instance has a blurry line considering the group's own father's.
Every time I rewatch the show, I forget about the Willow Xander thing. I think I block it out 🤢
Xander is always a jerk, when it is about Buffy and her vampire lover. Still jelous, even if he is with someone else.
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To be fair, Buffy has terrible choice in men. Only Riley was a good guy, and she turned him into a relationship of convenience
Xander is the worst! Not only is he not able to word his emotions in a more sensitive way, he also constantly thinks he knows stuff better than the rest of the group. He didn´t tell Buffy what Willows plan was in episode 2/22 and manipulates Faith (by telling her just enough about Angel) in this one to make her kill him. He is mostly driven by jealousy and wants what he can´t have.
I don´t think we should excuse his actions by saying it´s typical for a teenage boy because all the other teenage characters are able to act in a pretty grown up way in this show. So why do hold Xander to a different standard??!
Sometimes I hated Zander
This is one of my least favorite episodes of the series.
Horrible that Xander runs to the Scoobies with a "look at what Buffy and Angel are doing" attitude without knowing any context of the situation of the kiss (it could have been a goodbye to the relationship for all he knew or a mistake made in the moment [as it actually was]) considering he is currently cheating with Willow on Cordelia. He shouldn't be judging anyway if he was a real friend and especially when cheating on his own relationship. Willow jumping into the "Intervention" was also just as wrong for the same reason aka considering her cheating on Oz with Xander.
I also think its dumb that Xander says he trusts Buffy at the episode's end. Everything he did in the episode spoke volumes to the contrary. I respect Cordelia for not showing tact and being truthful in the next line.
xander is the worst hypocrite for sure.
Those two things are nowhere near the same. Something goes bad with the Willow/Xander/Oz/Cordelia scenario, some people's feelings get hurt and in a few weeks everyone moves on. If something goes bad between Buffy and Angel, it's the end of the world and everyone dies
@@alexh8613 It isn't about comparing the scenarios outcomes. It is about Xander seeing Buffy doing something wrong in a relationship that shouldn't exist while he is doing something wrong in a relationship that shouldn't exist. Thus his hypocrisy. As for "If something goes bad between Buffy and Angel, it's the end of the world and everyone dies," that goes back to Xander not trusting Buffy. If he thinks the two of them would create the exact situation all over again when he didn't even stick around long enough to see the context, then he definitely shouldn't be telling Buffy he trusts her. He definitely doesn't. Buffy and Angel kissed many times before Angel lost his soul and Xander knows it. Xander chose to run to the Scoobies crying foul when he is fouling up his own relationship as well.
Xander is interesting, because he Never stoped beeing a Jerk. So, every time he becomes „Evil“, he is not break Character or loose control about himself. Every time Buffy, Giles or Angle get Dark, it’s really Dark. Xander is not unlike Cordy or Spike. Always Honest (good and bad way). Only Problem? He is less cool about it 😎