My favorite quote from the Lion, and I live by this quote. ‘You will never reach Terra in time to defend it, brother. The warp will not let you. This crusade will not let you. I will not let you. Do you think the archives of future generations will look upon you kindly for your absence?’ Curze paused in his diatribe, wiping away a fresh trickle of blood. ‘Or will the human descendants of this Imperium look to your legend and whisper of doubt? Will they ask why you were not present to defend the Throneworld, and speak likely lies that perhaps the Lion was not as loyal and true as the mighty, perfect Rogal Dorn? Perhaps the Lion and his Dark Angels waited in the deepest reaches of space, watching, listening, and deciding to join the fight only when an obvious victor emerged.’ The Night Lord’s eyes glinted again, with both amusement and sorrow. ‘That is your fate, Lion. That is your future.’ ‘Forgive me, brother.’ Curze tilted his head. ‘For what?’ Corswain was watching both primarchs yet still never saw what happened, such was the speed of the Lion’s movements. One moment the two brothers were speaking - the Lion’s features cast down in contemplation, Curze’s eyes fever-bright as he promised an ignoble fate. The next, Curze’s features twisted into a taut rictus of pain, blood running between his clenched teeth. The Lion held tight to the grip of his blade, buried to the hilt in his brother’s stomach. More than a metre of shining, bloodstained steel thrust from the back of Curze’s armour. ‘For such a dishonourable blow,’ the Lion whispered into Curze’s pale, bleeding face. ‘I do not care who knows the truth now, tomorrow, or in ten thousand years. Loyalty is its own reward.’
@@leek.3671 Yeah, the Lion nearly kills Curze on several occasions. I also remember another one which I think was in Unremembered Empire where the Lion is hunting Curze on the Invisible Reason. It gets to the point where the Lion manages to find Curze below him on a gantry. Curze doesn’t know the Lion is there as he’s expecting the Lion to show up below him. So as a result the Lion silently pulls his sword from its sheath and prepares to drop on Curze (he puts his sword under his foot so that when he drops the sword will decapitate Curze, and if that doesn’t work the impact of him falling will compensate for it). The only reason it doesn’t work is that before the Lion drops down, his vox goes off when one of his Dark Angels contacts him. As soon as that happens, Curze basically goes “So close, you were so close weren’t you”, and gets away again.
I also love when Guilliman pins him against a wall and the Lion simply replies with “Release me now brother, or I will show you who the better warrior is”. Man literally said let me go or I will beat your ass
While that is a badass quote he was a pos for bombing mcragge and trying to hide it just for Konrad to to revel it and Lion got his sword broken over Gullimen knee which was justified
If you think about it, the fact that half of the Lion’s sons turned traitor only serves to strengthen the similarities between him and the Emperor. Truly like father, like son.
@@alexsegers1032 I have seen sanguinius written with a dark side due to the red thirst/black rage but he's mostly written borderline perfect since he's meant to be the noble sacrifice at the end.
In his Primarch novel, Lord of the First there is this exchange between Lion and Emperor. It explain Dark Angels' true purpose. 'May I be the first to congratulate you on your recent victory.' Once again, the Emperor received the Lion within the staterooms aboard His flagship. The glorious suite of golden chambers elevated Imperial majesty to the point of inconsequentiality. So rich were they, so sumptuously appointed that, like the Emperor Himself, it was difficult to form a distinct impression beyond a sense of humbling and of awe. Once again, the Lion recalled little of the antechambers and grand processionals that had preceded his passage. It was as if a part of him was always here in these rooms with his father, and that part could never leave. ‘Thank you, father,' he said. 'You were not the first of my sons to reclaim a place at my side, but your tally of victories is second to no other. Even Horus looks upon them with envy.' 'Horus inspires,' said the Lion. 'Magnus enlightens. Lorgar illuminates. Roboute raises an Imperium in miniature that celebrates his name and yours. I have left as many worlds behind me as any two of my brothers, but I fear that darkness and ash will be the legacy I leave to your Imperium.' The Emperor considered long, as He often did, before giving an answer. 'In the time of the Aegypta there was an empress named Hatshepsut. By all accounts of her that survive she was an equitable and proficient ruler, by the standards of her time. She rebuilt her land in the wake of war and occupation, erecting great monuments and bringing prosperity to her people. She reassembled the Aegypta's navy, using it to re-establish their old empire, and launched military campaigns against the nations who had once been their oppressors.' ’A legacy whose parallels are not hard to see,' said the Lion. 'And yet those who came after her did all within their power to ensure that she would have no legacy. Her name was chiselled from every monument, her every deed and triumph stricken from public record. Even her body was removed from its royal tomb.' 'Why, if her reign was so equitable?' 'Because those who succeeded her desired it. Because sometimes what comes before is too troublesome to be paved over in rockcrete, to amend with a monument to compliance or a golden aquila on an Imperial flag. Sometimes it is enough only that it be destroyed, that no trace of it but darkness and ash be left to endure.' ‘And yet history still remembers this empress.' ‘The Emperor Thutmose the Third did not have his Dark Angels.'
Is that the same book where Big E explains to the Lion that he didn't get any special titles becuase the Lion is the only son who is capable enough to understand that a job well done is reward enough for people like the Lion? He basically compares the title of Warmaster to a reward sticker to keep a toddler happy. While never said openly, the Lion is clearly the favorite and most competent son
I've always found it funny that the Emperor uses the weird, slightly off names for things of ancient Earth, considering he was literally there for them. If anyone could remember the place was called Egypt, it would be him.
@@ryantannar5301 As Bricky said in the episode, of all of his Sons, Lion is one most comparable to The Emperor in terms of personality. Cold detached and the end absolutely justified the means.
Reminds me of Gork and Mork. One is noble, but savage.The other is savage, but noble. Jokes aside it does say something that the more outwardly savage man could have such a kind heart despite it, while the more noble looking one was so much more ruthless
Indeed, and I think this is also reflected in the way that it was Russ that stopped their duel to laugh about how silly it was and took being stabbed by the Lion with no hard feelings. He knew his brother and while they were at each others throats in some regards they were two sides of a coin in many ways.
Fun fact: the emperor gave the Lion control over a group of lobotomized Men of Iron called the Excindio. Being the firstborn means you get all the best toys.
Heck, most Dark Angels ships have vaults deep within that contain all sorts of Dark Age tech. It’s incredibly dangerous to simply walk through these things, as there are so many deadly security measures in place (pressure sensors, heat sensors, etc) that simply stepping in the wrong spot can cause your death. These vaults are so durable that if the entire ship was to explode, the vault would simply float around in space.
I think that Bricky did a good job introducing The Lion in a “foot in the door” manner, only thing I would have added was how good of a duelist he was. Like he made Curze think that maybe his powers were bullshit because the Lion could’ve just killed him
I also love the scene in Unremembered Empire when the one Space Wolf does the honor duel with him. The Space Wolf attacks so suddenly (it literally mentions that there was no shift in stance, no hint of movement ahead of the blow, just goes from standing still to the swing in the blink of an eye) that Guilliman notes that he wouldn’t have been able to stop the blow. But the Lion perfectly catches the blow when it is inches from his face.
The fight between those two remembered me of the fight of Sasuke and Rock Lee. One had the sharingan and had the feeling he could almost see the future while the other one was to fast to react.
When you mentioned the Lion spawn-camping Angron, I immediatelly pictured him sitting on a rock like Thanos when Angron comes back, just calmly re-sharpening his sword between the duels
They revealed in the preview to the new Lion book that he was awake and about in the galaxy for a long time now AND working alongside the Fallen. So yeah Dark Angels being the dumbest legion is canon now. BTW. Bricky forgot to mention that after Luthor was banished to Caliban, Luther was ultimately left to manage affairs on Caliban while the Lion waged the Great Crusade. Luther had to deal with a rebellion by the disgruntled nobility of Caliban who had their peasant farmers and lands confiscated by the Imperium. A cabal of Chaos Sorcerers also infiltrated Caliban to bring further instability, and Luther was made aware of Caliban's possible Warp infestation. Luther became convinced that Caliban would be destroyed by the Emperor as soon as this was discovered and became paranoid that the Lion had deliberately kept this from him as a death sentence. His suspicions grew after he learned that a cult of Terrans was in the process of a daemonic ritual, which was narrowly stopped by Zahariel( who is maybe Cypher), a librarian who Luther had grown fond of... This is basically how the modern Dark Angels act and not the modern Fallen, oh the Irony. Just change the names form Luthor and Zahariel to Azrael and Ezekiel and you literally have every single 40K story about the Dark Angels. 🤣
You forgot to mention the time he exterminated a race of psychic parasites and killed one by strangling it in his mind space and then reading it’s mind.
I love how when one of the Krave tries to read the mind of a Dark Angel to get information, it can’t learn anything. The reason isn’t because it couldn’t read his mind, but because the Dark Angel simply wasn’t given clearance to know such things due to not being part of any order or sub group that would have such info.
@@ekulerudamuru Makes sense as apparently the Dark Angels have hidden codewords that rewrite their minds to perform a particular task just like what the Alpha Legion has done in the past to their own legionnaires.
@@starhammer5247the alpha legion did actually manage to infiltrate the dark angels as they have with every other legion. The problem was that the angels are so heavily compartmentalized that the infiltrators couldn't really access any critical information or co-ordinate with each other making the entire effort near useless.
I actually thought bricky was going to follow up with "the difference with curze is that he ate children and rat and shit.... Whilst the lion ate chaos dinosaurs"
I'm 99% sure Lion at some point hunted and ate humans. Gotta get that protein somewhere and chaos dinosaurs are above prepubescent primarchs in food chain.
The Lion coming back is interesting because it's such a huge change for the Dark Angels. The Ultramarines with Guilliman are just the Ultramarines without Guilliman but even harder. Having the Lion back will change the Dark Angels' whole identity.
If they can move from only hunting the fallen to back to being the secret hexegramatton that war crimes the hardest. That would cool. Add in some minor uncivil infighting. And you got a legion in service to the lion who absolutely hates each other. Which is a cool change
@@rommellamadrid6794 The (40k) Dark Angels still behave like the Hexegramatton it's just GW forgets that and makes them act like morons, as dramatic as this is 40k Dark Angel lore is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously.
@@Hikurangi911 it’s sad that I haven’t read much that shows it. I would love to see wings such as the Dreadwing, Ironwing, and Firewing make official returns
GW seems to understand how they failed 40k darkangels and kind of made them a one note joke. If the lion's novel is the way the lore is going they may become my favorite legion.
One minor thing not mentioned is the Lion is considered Keeper of Secrets. He never gave anyone the full story of his intentions or how much he knows. To anyone, even his own brothers or most trusted sons they only knew half of the side he showed them. It's why he's often given missions by the Emperor to exterminate something knowing history wouldn't remember it, but to accept that duty as its own reward. All his Dark Angels are conditioned to not question the Lion or pry into anything even amongst themselves because to do so would compromise a delicately kept information network to prevent obfuscation and espionage from outside forces. In some ways they put the Alpha Legion to shame.
@@NuAntares That, and the Dark Angels already had an intricate network of secret societies. Why would they need to join "Khorne Fight Club" to have a social life, when they already have a fraternal order? The lodges had nothing to offer the Dark Angels that they didn't already possess.
From my understanding. The Parallel with the Emperor isn't just what was discussed. The reason Luthor landed his big attack is because Lion actually hesitated to strike the killing blow, giving Luthor his opening. When Luthor realized what happened that is why his mind broke free from Chaos. The Lion of all people, shows him mercy due to seeing Luthor as a brother, hence why Luthor was convinced he would come back to forgive him.
This is correct. The Lion, even though he was furious, couldn't bring himself to kill Luther when he had the chance. Cue psychic attack and warp shenanigans. I really do hope we get to see a scene where the Lion forgives Luther, and Luther finds peace in some way. I always liked Luther as a character because his betrayal always felt innately human. Flawed, but human. Especially with how he, somehow, casts off Chaos at the very end. That's no small feat that I feel goes underappreciated.
Actually, a lot of Death Worlds end up being good for the Primarch. Inwit: Dorn Calaban : The Lion Fenris: Russ Nocturne: Vulkan Baal: Sanguinius and it's TECHNICALLY not a Death World, but Medusa, The Gorgan, is freaking Necron Tomb World. Meanwhile on the Trator side we have Cthonia: Horus Barbarus: Morty and maybe Nostramo, Kurz counts.
I landed directly on dad's porch, no idea were my other half was all this time, but being directly "raised" by Father and, even more so, by Malcador wasn't the easiest thing ever.
Can’t wait for the Corax episode, probably the second nicest primarch next to Vulkan. Like he’s cold and indifferent but he isn’t unfair or malicious. Also he is sneakily one of the toughest primarchs, I mean he’s the only Primarch to come out of the drop-site massacre whole and he makes Lorgar his bitch multiple times which is always fun.
Hmm. He's very particular in his "mercy". Dude broke out a world of prisoners but his back up plan was to flush the place so they would never be prisoners again. Relative to some of the other primarchs with considerably less chill (Dorn), he's pretty good but may the Emperor protect you if you show warp taint in his presence because Corvus made a promise and nearly took the corrupted part of his legion along with the Space Wolves into suicide by alpha legion to keep it. He also saw the prisoner girl getting abused and proceeded to gift her the head of her abuser which certainly a strange sort of kindness. I also can't help but feel bad for Hef the loyalist killed by his own loyalist gene father.
The Dark angels are very sore over what happened with the Fallen, but on their defense this betrayal was a bit different compared to traitors in the other Legions. Two of the Primarchs were killed by their fallen brothers during the Heresy, but Lion was brought down by his own sons. The command structure of the First Legion was ridiculously complex, so it is difficult to say who was Lions second-in-command. However, his insecurities aside, Luther was the Primarch's oldest Lieutenant and his first friend, respected across the whole Legion and outside of it with spectacular service record. His betrayal and turning Caliban and half of the Legion to secede would be comparable to Sigismund using the Black Blade to backstab Rogal Dorn.
Iirc there's a story about Kairos Fatewever invading the Invincible Reason to corrupt the Lion. His perfect knowledge of the future allowed him to effortlessly peel away the defenses of the Dark Angel Flagship until, finally, he and his forces stood on the bridge facing the primarch and his honor guard. Kairos cast his gaze into the future to see what temptations he could offer the Lion to most swiftly seduce him to chaos; but no future he saw had the Lion fall. In his stupor, he was wide open to attack so the Lion attacked and forced him back into the warp.
@Alsonallu hells yeah, I see the lion, and pardon the poor example i suppose, as like big e's kind of vader pre Disney legends style. Snapping necks, cutting people to ribbons, committing planetwide genocides with superweapons of mass destruction, and making funny quips all in the process. I could just see him after his punch looking down at the corpse "apology accepted captain nemiel" lol.
The big thing to remember at The Boy The Lion is that he's not just a Primarch. He is the First Primarch, the template upon which all his brothers were built. This is not simply the return of a father to lead his sons. This is the firstborn son of the Emperor waking up from his ten thousand year power nap. Which I guess makes him very different from his dad, cause he can actually get out of bed.
I love the quote on The Lion - Son of the Forest: "I failed my father. I fear I also failed my brothers. i do not wish to fail my sons." It's one of the things I truly like about him. He does, genuinely, care. He's just terrible at expressing and communicating it to the people that need to hear it.
The comparison to doomguy is always apt for The Lion. During the books, he walks from enemy to enemy killing each and every one of them. He kills and kills and kills. He does not stop until the field is either emptied by his legion, or he did it himself alone. He will rip and tear, and will not cease until it is completely and utterly done. He is a walking fury in the shell of a man. He is the burning of the densest forest encased in a suit of unbreakable armor and allowed to spread into every corner galaxy. His work is never complete until the realm is fully cleansed of the hellish abominations who walk amongst men. He is doom incarnate.
@World Eater yeah, but the Warhawk is savage in the same way a warrior is savage, he has training and skill. However, the Lion fights like a trained beast, the skill is there yes, but what is behind his eyes is nothing but instinct and the primal drive to kill what is in front for you before it does the same, the Kahn is a hurricane channeled through a man, the Lion is a sentient, well learned jungle.
Tonite on Ridiculous Gear: DK gets tortured by Belial until he finally admits to being a furry, Bricky finally re-awakes after a alcohol induced rant about how Konrad played the hit game "Amongus" with the Lion or some shit and Shy mind wipes herself once again after DK's attempt at humour(Love u DK) left her coping and/or seething and Asmodai makes the crew repent for the crime of living in California
To those who get salty on Primarch episodes, I like to remind the ever-needed, sorely-missed motto of Adeptus Ridiculous: "Entertainment Over Accuracy." Great episode!
I know that they have their fun way of doing these videos, and for the most part that’s fine. But there comes a point where if you don’t get certain details right, you get a false picture of the topic.
The royal sons of the Emperor have a great record of having caring parents after their discovery. Except for Lion El'Jonson’s adapted ‘Redacted’, half of the legion became ‘Redacted’ which led to more ‘Redacted’
Had to chuckle when it was revealed that Luther is still alive within the Rock. Can't have an old Medieval Castle without an insane Prisoner locked up and kept secret deep in the dungeons!
In current lore Luther has escaped. Chaos attacked and led a jail break for luther and a bunch of captive fallen. Funnily enough, the rumour of where he escaped is the same star system that vashtorr is going to set up his trap
@@zevriungames7463 Luthor was in stasis only let out whenever there's a new Supreme Grandmaster and that new guy wants to talk. Otherwise, he's on ice.
I love the fact that Luther AND the Lion were on the Rock the whole time. It's the perfect symbol for the answer of all of the Dark Angles problems, being right beside them, if they could just get their heads out of their asses!
Honestly this was a lot better than I thought it would be. One note for that member of the Lions Honor Guard that stabbed Curze in the back, his name is Corswain. He’s basically the Dark Angels equivalent of Sigismund.
The Lion has an instinctual understanding of combat. In fact his combat instincts are so good that he can redirect an attack mid-swing and turn what would have been a wounding blow into a killing blow, also he can adjust mid-combat and parry an incoming attack that would have killed him. The Nighthaunter can see the future and change his attacks to block an incoming attack or land a lethal blow. During their duel on MacCragge, the Lion would instinctually block Kurze's attacks then counter attack, forcing the Nighthaunter onto his back foot until he was overwhelmed. The watchers in the Dark have the ability to enhance or disburse psychic powers and warp energy. I don't know if it's that chaos cannot see them or if it actively tries to avoid them. What is known is that they tend to pop up and aid the Dark Angels and their successor chapters at the most opportune moments, then fade away.
Chaos can sort of vaguely see them. The Changeling came face to face with one recognising it as a void in the aether which they can see in the materium but can't see in warp vision seeing only a gap in it's place. The Watcher singlehandedly drove the Changeling away from Luther which is an impressive achievement given the Changeling has messed with literal chaos gods, nearly killed Ahriman and at that moment was rather unconcernedly running from Ragnar Blackmane, Azrael, Asmodai, an Inquisitor and a Grey Knight through the Rock. They don't seem to be traditional blanks as they can interact fine with psykers when they want to and people don't seem to give them the hate blanks usually get although, as you can see from the tabletop rules, they can deny psychic powers.
Don't think this was mentioned but the Lion and Russ had beef from the Great Crusade and that rivalry continues to current times. Every time the Dark Angels and Space Wolves meet, then they have honor duels which sometimes ends up in fatalities.
@@dyingearth this was immediately after they saw the emperor first entombed on the golden throne. The lion was rampaging and going ballistic throughout the throneways and meets with russ. He wants to finish their duel so goes to kill russ and makes himself miss the killing stroke cause russ didn't fight back. They basically knew they were failures and that was their form of commiseration.
You forgot to mention one other thing about the Perturabo/Lion moment. Petry got on Lion’s good side simply by saying that the Lion should’ve been declared Warmaster, not Horus the filthy turncoat. Lion doesn’t care for rank/pageantry but if being declared Warmaster meant it gave him more authority and ability to help his life’s mission of exterminating all enemies of the imperium, than of course he wants that position. He figured he could easily claim it when the insurrection is over with. And yet after all that, by the end it became utterly meaningless. All his loses and fighting and wounds and slaughter of his fellow astartes got him NOTHING but daddy being put on the throne and the imperium in shambles.
On the 8th second of the 8th minute of the 8th hour of the 8th day after killing Angron, the Lion sacrifices 8 warriors to summon Angron to his location... That is how you spawn camp the Red Angel.
Fun fact: the parts of the legion that he banished to Caliban would routinely send him reports of what's going on on the planet. And in classic lion fashion, he just doesn't read any of them.
A couple things to mention from my impression of the lore. First, I don’t believe Luther actually joined Horus. Instead Luther saw it as an opportunity for Caliban to become independent of the imperium (idk the crazy warp entity inside caliban might have just made him crazy) Second, bricky does a whole lion episode without mentioning the watchers in the dark, the little jawa xenos guys that make demons shit themselves Great episode bricky and honestly more hype for the lion arks book and the son of the forest novel
Luther and the Fallens (basically those that were send back to Caliban and those they raised in the meantime) weren't against the Imperium. They're against Lion.
Yeah, they got the whole Luther part very wrong. It explicitly states that he wanted an independent caliban, and didn't want any part of Horus' rebellion.
Angron: “Your time has come, Son of the Forest. The Red Angel has arrived and I will take your skull for Khorne’s throne.” Also Angron: “Why do I hear ‘Rules of Nature’ playing?”
The time has come to an end Yeah, this is what nature planned Being tracked by a starving beast Looking for it's daily feast A predator on the verge of death Close to its last breath Getting close to its last breath RULES OF NATURE!!!
I love the aura of lion among his brothers and how quickly Rob and Sanguinius changed from reverence to "I am tired of your shit Johnson" as they got to know him better at Imperium Secundus.
If I recall, Russ is the Emperor’s Executioner, for his (supposed) murders of [REDACTED] and [REDACTED], and Lion is the Emperor’s Exterminator, for his whole “Captain Genocide” thing
I have a theory that it was actually the lion who killed the two missing primarchs, and not leman. Leman is too sentimental to kill his brothers, while the lion stabbed Konrad in a parley. The man's a complete Savage, lmao.
@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 Pretty sure I heard that one book has a Wolf ofhandedly note that their legion has had expirience fighting other space marines, a thing that is treated as impossibility then. then again if Dark Angels erased someone they would not even mention it.
I genuinely cannot wait for the Lion to reunite with Guilliman. It's going to be WILD, mostly because I have no idea what Bobby is going to get scolded about first, only to return in kind with an ultra-hug and an ultra-ultra-cry.
Yeah. I fear that they will sneer and fight eachother again, but I hope they could commisserate eachother's returns, empathize with eachother for the burdens they both have to carry, and simply be happy for eachother. They are shown to be very tactful & polite despite their hatred for what the Imperium has become, especially the Lion, which is probably in tune with how he has become aged. The Lion asks Haraj for the control of Avalus's forces the same way Guilliman asks Calgar for control of the Ultramarines.
My absolutly favourite quote from the lion is when he is dueling Konrad and he is tring to taunt him and Lion just says "Loyalty is its own reward" and procedes to pirce him with his sword
I will add a quick note about Luther, just in case you guys haven't read his book which I highly recommend. Luther is actually quite sympathetic to be honest, in his book you get a really good feel for his love and passion for Caliban, its culture, its history, what its like to be a knight on Caliban, and so on. Then you get his perspective as that world he loves begins to crumble and change around him, how the forests are being cleared for factories, their culture is being stripped, and how he desperately wants to protect it. I feel bad for luther, he betrayed the dark angels and the imperium but he did have a just reason. Protecting his home.
Dark Angels player here. You absolutely nailed this episode 👌And no, sympathy for Luther is VERY understandable. Dude got shafted over and over again, his fall is tragic but certainly one you can sympathise with.
Luther is my favourite traitor. He tries, truly, to remain the good man he really is, but his will, faith and good nature is slowly chiselled away by envy and doubt, and then the Chaos Gods start grasping for him. Yet, in the end at that pivotal moment, he casts them out and refuses to cause the Lion any more harm. Imagine the willpower it has to take to be chosen by the four gods of Chaos, and then cast off their blessings? I really hope the Dark Angels find Luther, and that he gets to be reunited with the Lion. I hope he gets the forgiveness he's hoped for.
At the end of the Heresy there were more Fallen Angels then Salamanders, Iron Hands, Ravenguard and Imperial Fists combined, the first three got bodied at Isstvan and the Iron Cage left few Fist Survivors meanwhile the book Luther First of the Fallen puts them around 30 to 40K
@@larsdewit6521 Which is part of the reason why the modern chapter is so concerned with the chapter. During the heresy, most traitors in loyalist legions were either dealt with quickly or too small in number to matter. Then, you have the first legion-big brother to all other legions with a reputation and ego to match-and they apparently have so many traitors they could form an entire small legion on their own. And not only did the Dark Angels not kill them all, but the traitors have also been scattered throughout time and space, each one of them an opportunity to tarnish the illustrious reputation and pride of the first legion.
Hmm, I'm not sure if we count "we prepared for every eventuality" as either traitor or loyalist. Theoretically they did betray both Chaos and the Imperium so they're traitors twice over. I just love the idea some Alpha legionnaire disguises themselves as some Dark Angel they found to infiltrate the Rock only for the Dark Angels to start chasing them relentlessly and trying to kill them because they dressed up as Cypher.
@@consolescrub4031 wait, they betrayed both? I thought it was just a meme but is there merit to the idea that actually there are both loyalist and traitorous alphas?
I'm not a Space Marine/Dark Angels player, but i love the Watchers In The Dark and their lore. In true 40k style, there is enough lore that you could spend twenty minutes talking about what they do on the Rock, how they look after the Lion, how they follow those marked for greatness and how you shouldn't mess with them or you'll disappear and then in the tabletop their entire thing is ''negate one psychic power''. Lol.
I remember in Angels of Caliban when some of the Dark Angels Librarians on Caliban try to use their powers to get an idea of what Luther is planning. When they try, they notice at least around 6 or so watchers that are there to stop them. This freaks the Librarians quite a bit.
after hearing the bit with the nuke, it kinda sounds like the lion maybe just wanted his closest friend and best leader safe so they couldn't both be removed in a singular strike.
The Lion is a bit clueless with people so it's fully possible he wanted to separate the command structure further and just had no comprehension of Luther's ego. That said, I'm not too convinced it matters why he did it. It just matters how Luther perceived it. He could have wanted the person he most trusted in charge of the recruiting process so he doesn't end up like the Night Lords recruiting poison, it could have been meant as a break for an overworked friend or it could genuinely have been a punishment for allowing doubt to creep in because the Lion holds everyone to very exacting standards. He's the primarch of one of the most enigmatic legions, his reasoning is unlikely to be clear cut.
Best primarch, by far. I saw this great comment on 40klore the other day: 'Russ wears his savagery to hide his regality while the Lion uses his regality to hide the savage nature that lurks beneath'. He's the pinnacle of what the Emps wanted to create with the program, and that's why he and his legion gets trusted with all the spooky weaponry
And yet he has fallen short of most of his brothers. His legion was the first made and got all the best toys. Not because they were better. Because they were first. Even with the best toys he still lost his home world, half his sons went traitor. He lost trust of his brothers, his dad died and the lowest of his brothers won. Seriously beyond Angron I can't see how the Lion measures up.
@@Ashtor1337 “Fallen short of most of his brothers?” The first legion wasn’t just the first made, they crafted the bases for every other legion with its Hosts. They were the best, not because they were magically superior, but because again and again Emps threw them against the worst of the worst, and they won. They were sent against threats that would break anyone else, any other Legion, and in fighting such things, they became the best at their craft. While every Legion had a niche, a specific field of war they excelled, eh First was made to excel, not as a legion, but as a group of orders. Stealth? Send the Firewing. Need an armored assault? Ironwing advances. Fast assault? Ravenwing at them. Need to board something? Stormwing is it then. Want to protect/ murder someone very much? Deathwing on the field. Want to eradicate something to hell and back? Dreadwing goes boom. Lion forged an exemplary legion that matched Horus in victories, even when most of his victories were redacted for safety. Lion is surpassed by a few, maybe Sanguinious, maybe Roboute at some points. But Fulgrim? Logar? Perty? Morty? Horus himself? Lion burnt his worlds, and scourged his legions, and the only reason he did not play a more pivotal role, was because Horus purposely sent him to the far reaches of the galaxy, just because he knew he would not be able to contain him. He wasn´t perfect, and he messed up, but that’s the thing of Lion. He is a great warrior, but he sucks at personal interaction, made to destroy, and as he said in his novel, he was afraid to leave a legacy of only ash and fire. Luther was half-brainwashed by a warp entity that dominated a whole planet, he also did not join Horus, He wanted his home to remain itself, and keep Caliban as it was before the Imperium. And it wasn’t half the legion, in Caliban many Dark Angels did not follow Luther´s plan, prompting inner fighting through the entire planet. And while the Emperor doubted other sons, he never hesitated about the Lion, he told Malcador as such.
@@TheLostPrimarch2nd here the thing they were a template with the best tech and in specific fields they were surpassed with basic gear. Each legion that specialized doesn't get dark age tech but can match the Dark Angles. As to his brothers, Fulgrim: rebuilt his legion from less than 1000 troops to one of the most successful legions pre heresy and made a fighting force that could perfectly cooperate with multiple legions in what ever task was assigned. Again without the dark age tech. He was one of the best Duelist, and an amazing crafter. Perty: was tasked by big E to do what none of his brothers could. He was to be unbreakable. Not only is he almost solely responsible for any success during the siege of Terra, he out smarted the Lion because of Lions interpersonal issues. Horus: was Horus. Consider for a moment what was the difference between Horus and Lion.... The ability to cooperate with his brothers. The Lion could not have been the warmaster because he was so closed off. Look how he worked with Papa Smurf and the Angel. 2 of the east of his brothers to get along with. He betrayed them. Now compare that to Horus. Literally had most of his brothers trust until Chaos got involved. Hell Luther and Horus stories are about the same. Now on to the Lorgar... I know he is the worst of the Primarchs but if you look at the current age. Lorgar won. Almost everything he wanted has come true. Sure he is trapped in his dorm room by a made bird brother but humanity has become what he wanted. Finally the the ultimate testament to his leadership skills is the loss of half his legion. His right hand fell to chaos. Lion and the Angels like to pretend they are the all knowing keeper of secrets and yet half...HALF the legion was traitor and not boom over night, like for decades if not longer. For a man that was supposed to rival Horus for his leadership capability he couldn't even lead his own legion. Mortarion is probably the only Primarch that fails harder than the Lion when you look at thier life.
@@Ashtor1337 You misunderstand. The First legion wasn’t given better gear to compensate their own failings. They were given better gear because when the Emperor saw the maddest, most horrible, most destructive enemies of the Imperium, things that would have broken legions like twigs, he looked at Lion and said “See that? I don’t want to see it anymore.” And Lion would go and kill it from memory itself. He was, literally, the guy with the biggest list of victories, only being matched because most were redacted and forbidden from memory. Lion had personal problems, mainly he was shit at communicating, but that was his failing. Fulgrim was a peacock that had a WAY too a high opinion of himself (proved by good old Jagathai), and while I respect Perturabo immensely, his failings were not only similar, they were worse, always finding nemesis and insults in every corner. Also, he didn’t outsmart Lion. He went to get siege weapons, and found Lion there having secured the guns and Perty was like “Well, I was going to get the weapons either way.” Lion saw a brother still loyal and got him the guns, Perty only had to keep the lie Horus created for the Imperium. He wasn’t outsmarted, in the same way, Ferrus, Vulkan and Corax weren’t outsmarted. They were betrayed. Lion could not have been Warmaster? I don’t know what to tell you. In the HH books, we see the biggest problem Horus had during his time as a loyal Warmaster was that the two things. First, he did not hold his sons accountable. To the former Luna Wolves, they were beyond reproach and beyond accusation. They thought that as astartes, they were better than the mortal they protected, and no baseline could command them. Lion had no such problem in his Legion. They were knights in service to humanity, the living, unseen shield. Kill because you must, but take no joy in it. Second, Horus tried to please the politicians. Lion wouldn´t give a DAMM. War is war, politics come later. He would have let Luther talk to the politicians and adulators and Luther would have handled that very well. Hell, Lion is stated to be EXTREMELY popular among the circle of political intrigue in Terra. How I don’t know, but he was. But Horus insisted on dealing with it himself. So, while I still believe that Sanguinius or Robuote would have been better warmasters, Horus was chosen because he was the first and most loved, most trusted, not because he was the best. Pride was his sin and the mental gymnastics he did to accept chaos still irks me to this day. Lorgar won because Horus won, fucker did little bar Ultramar´s Shadow War and helped a bit at the siege until he got offended Horus was the favorite one… AGAIN. But true, he isn’t getting out of his tower anytime time soon, courtesy of “IM A FUCKING BIRD” Corax. Lion was the best at his job, extermination. Which he did to the traitor's backline when he got the chance. And he did not betray Roboute. He didn’t trust him yet (as Lion does) and withheld information… which escalated into some MAJOR Fuck ups. But it was he who had the plan to send hawk boy to Terra and who understood the Emperor was still alive, Without Lion, Hawk Boy would not have arrived to Terra to hold the Gates and Corswain would not have activated the Astronomicon (or whatever he did). You want uselessness? Talk to Leman. See what he did.
The Lion spanks Angron, shutting him down over and over, but Angron just keeps coming bakc and slowly the Lion is worn down. All is won, but for this, and Lion can't leave it be. When finally a reborn Angron is about to get the upper hand, the Lion strikes him down once more, but for once not fatally, and both champions lay in the dust. Perhaps there is time to speak, as death slows the violence Angron pursues and grants him a glimer of clarity to consider things while crawling towards his brother. And then it is interrupted by slow, heavy clapping, and out of the darkness and dust walks Gazghul. "No peace for gits like ye. No escapin' by def again. Yu's in fer a krumpin, an' when yas need a rest, mah doc's gonna haf a look at yer fancy head piece."
Man, people forget that the lion wasn't a complete hard ass. He was just socially inept. There's a line in one of the Horus books where the lions flagship drops out of the warp Infront of an enemy fleet and he shouts for updates. And one of his bridge crew are like "sir there's 11 vessels" And he just deadeyes the entire bridge and goes "I routinely do complex astro-warp calculations.....in my head.....on the fly......yes, I'm capable of counting to 11 by myself. And the entire bridge just stares at him, till he mutters. "That was a joke" Dudes just, well he's a dude. Much like all the dark angels, he has more of an issue of his perception, than the actual person beneath.
I don’t remember what book this was in, but I remember a similar scene where the Lion is talking with one of his sons. He basically makes a slight joke and I think even chuckles at it. It’s so unusual that the Dark Angel is actually worried that he’s in trouble. The Lion literally has to explain that he was joking.
@@ShadowGhost0117 I think it partially comes down to just how naturally unnerving he is. I mean Malcador points out that his mere movements and presence unsettles his fellow primarchs. Imagine being a mere Marine, and now the man with that air about him is chuckling? I'd be f-king terrified. Imagine how difficult it must be to communicate when everyone is always on-edge around you?
"Murderhobo Tarzan" shall be, henceforth, my new headcanon name for the Lion. And now that he's awake, we only need for Vulkan's respawn timer to run out or for Corax to get bored of going Edgar Allan Poe on Lorgar's ass to have the Imperial Power Trio assembled.
One of my favorite parts of the dark angel Horus heresy books was the pre emp section, medieval knights with bolt pistols, power armor, and chainswords riding horses, living in castles, and doing trench and trebuchet siege warfare
That was actually the first Horus heresy book I read. It was a great place to start, seeing the Crusade-era Imperium through the eyes of a culture born during the Age of Strife.
Tywin Lannister. And I've seen a fair few people fantasy his actor, Charles Dance to play the lion if a live action ever were to be made. Though I think he would work well as the voice in animation as well
Something that I like about the dark angels that I hope gets covered in their episode is that they are super paranoid that thier retribution is just around the corner.
56:35 "And arriving down to fight Luther, while still bombarding the planet". Kriegers studying this battle centuries into the future : *taking notes religiously*
Lion on an imperial world to reveal himself to the Imperium: "Greetings citizens, I am Lion El Jonson and I would like to know just what the hell is going o... IS THAT A FUCKING CHURCH?!"
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The Lion is also the *_first primarch to be created._* It is said his genetic material is the base template for ALL of the other primarchs The Lion is also one of the few primarchs immediately given his Legion...an incredible amount of trust from the Emperor himself He also is the Primarch the Emperor said would never turn, and potentially why he did not choose the Lion as Warmaster of the Imperium
@@Ashtor1337 I think I should qualify this perhaps. Certainly the Emperor had confidence in several of his sons, Guillman for his incredible administrative successes in Ultramar and Leman Russ for being Leman Russ. However, the Emperor hints his confidence in the Lion more so, especially in how he confides with him similar to a custodian. I reference the following passage: “'Some men demand such pomp. They cannot accept the end of one era and the commencement of another without an occasion by which to mark it and give it meaning. Laurels must be given, honours and fair titles invented so that they may be bestowed upon favoured generals. Some men need recognition.' The shadows around the Emperor's throne deepened. But beneath the layers of obfuscation, deep within the myriad guises of that singularly unfathomable being, the Lion felt the Emperor behold His firstborn son. 'Some men,' the Emperor continued, 'do not.'“ Additionally, the Lion was the most expected pick for Warmaster. However, the Emperor’s foresight said that the Warmaster would turn traitor (once again, taking certain assumptions on validity due to the complexity of Warhammer lore). Reading through the lines, from Lord of the First, First Lord of the Imperium, and more, I think that final statement is not far fetched, although, perhaps crudely put on my part
Problem with lion for warmaster, he is a bit TO brutal, if a primarch would step out of line, Horus would talk them and calm them down. Lion, would nuke their fucking planet and personally kill any of their families they have. 40k wise, he so perfect it is funny.
@@Fourtytwo4242 Yeah the actual main reason Horus was named Warmaster instead of The Lion was because Horus was charismatic and could actually lead his brothers while The Lion was very anti-social and could never communicate with his brothers effectively
46:04 My recollection of that was on the surface it was Exile for risking his life, and sending a contigent of those Dark Angels that were under Luthor. But in reality it was to send troops to defend Caliban as he was concerned of a growing schism in the Imperium.
The Lion ABSOLUTELY praises his sons, in his primarch book he specifically tells one of his sons that he's proud of him for making fortifications that are better than anything Dorn could make.
@@Ashtor1337 no he was pretty sincere about it. The Lion is a bit similar to Dorn in that both of them don’t give out praise a whole lot, but when they do they aren’t lying about it.
You forgot that the Lion blew up the homeworld of every single traitor primarch when he couldn't make it in time to Terra and before the end of the Siege.
So Bricky was absolutely right about Lion being the exterminator while Russ was the executioner. In the new book it states outright that Russ would be sent when the Emperor needed someone killed to make an example out of them, while Lion was sent when he wanted someone dead with no trace or knowledge of them left.
To answer DK’s question about biblically accurate angels number of wings. The Seraphim have 6 wings: 2 to fly, 2 to cover their feet, and 2 to cover their face. Since they are literally by hierarchy are closest to God in the kingdom of Heaven and are seen wreathed in fire hence their name the Burning Ones (Seraphim). (This is off the top of my head.)
In one of the Dorn books Emps sent out Dorn, Lion, Fulgrim, and Horus to take over a sector of space. During a meeting Dorn calls out Lion for twisting Emps orders to essentially go on a murder spree and force subjugation and not allow worlds to surrender.
Tonite on ridiculous gear: Sky becomes just a little watcher to spy on the crew, DK becomes rejected by the lion which makes it the second time a big bearded man has rejected him and Bricky gets "convinced" to do an Lion episode after getting pounded by Azrael
Leman Russ is the Emperor's Executioner. He's the one the Emperor sends after an enemy that he wants to make an example of. Russ will show up, set fire to a planet, kill all their leaders, and collect their heads, parading them around Terra and Fenris afterwards. The Emperor will then show videos like this to people he particularly doesn't like, then gesture to the buff, bearded Norseman next to him, grinning madly while meaningfully sharpening a bladed weapon next to him, and ask "Do you want to apologize yet?" The Lion, meanwhile, is the Emperor's Delete Button. No flashy displays, no opulence, no last chances, he presses the button and the person, planet or species he doesn't like disappears, then no one is allowed to speak of it.
Seeing the Lion in that grandmaster armour makes it very hard to believe not a single of the greater daemons could tempt him. He looks like a fullblown Chaos Warrior.
Honesty, it most likely because he generally didn't need nor want anything, how can you tempt someone if they have everything they ever wanted? He was a monster yes, but that is most likely reason he could never fall, he has no honor for Khorn, he has no tricks for tzeentch, he takes no pleasure for slaanesh and he to strong willed to even try to give in to nurgle. There actually nothing Chaos could even offer him, like Big E, he just to much of a cunt to be tempted, he had everything he ever would want and his loyalty was to strong.
I actually read the Horus Heresy books about the Dark Angels a small bit ago so this has great timing. They really did a great job of capturing the knight errant feeling of the quest to kill the beasts and making them feel super dangerous.
I like the fan theory that Lion El'Johnson has some level of autism, as someone who has dealt with a lot of autism in my family (younger brothers), there are certain patterns you learn to notice, the obsessive compulsions, the single-minded focus, he perfectionism, the problems of trust, the tendency of sometimes trusting people you shouldn't (perturabo xD) Lion also is described as a guy who literally cant be standing alone doing nothing... he needs to do something or he gets restless and depressed... and that's one hell of an autistic problem xd
It amuses me that so many of the pictures of the Lion show him with a sword with a winged skull on it. Kurze would be laughing even as he files a copyright strike.
@@Ghostface2252Well , its easy to hate on Ferrus when his author ran him into the ground , but he is not a bad character. Bricky's bias is influenced by the popular memes and not completely justified.
@@Ghostface2252 Its maybe boring to him because he is among the few that know his purpose. He is a conqueror for the Emperor , full stop. He does not question it , he does not disagree with the Emperor. The conflict in him is the whole thing about his hands and his sons distrusting the flesh even tho he never taught them that. And also he had the unfortunate place to die first , but it was potrayed that when even Ferrus , the primarch that mentored other primarchs like Vulkan on the art of war and whose sons are sent to conquer that deemed unconquerable , if he can die anyone can die. Im just sad that he doesnt have as much or as good books as some other primarchs.
I wish you talked a bit about some of the primarchs abilities that he has and, to a certain extent, has passed on to his sons. I think everyone knows he has epic reactionary combat instincts (almost like a 40k version of ultra instinct). But he also has an elite ability to suppress the warp around him to almost completely cloak himself. I forget which book but there was a meeting amongst all the primarch brothers and the lion was only noticed by any of them, sitting at the table, when he allowed the others to see him and sense him in the warp. Almost like he appeared out of nowhere... he (along with some of his sons) can also somehow bend light or at least manipulate whatever fields that are around them to almost blend in with a natural camouflage. This is why he is able to combat beings that can see the future. There are some other tidbits but I just can't remember which books these are from my bad
His combat instincts are why I call him a Tactician more so than a Strategist. Because Tactics are for short term/immediate battles. His whole thing is that he can analyze, adjust, react, and come up with plans at a simple glance. He does it practically on instinct.
@Alex Yoblick I think his strategy in almost every situation is to exterminate everything as efficiently and as quickly as possible. If u need something saved for the future, you don't send the dark angels. They are sent to erase things from existence, including histories. It's why I'm sure it wasn't just the rangdan xenocides that depleted them so, but also the elimination of the 2nd and 11th legions and primarchs. It's funny, some people think when he went on an exterminatus run against the recruiting worlds of the traitor legions, that he was making a mistake. I see him just repeating what the emperor would have told him to do like he did before...purge those legions from existence. Where better to start than eliminating their homeworlds and recruiting grounds as he probably was told to do before. Breaking the traitors ability for reinforcement or a place to retreat forced them into the eye rather than giving them an ability to regroup and prolong the heresy. I imagine one of the points of contention the lion has had with guilliman is that the ultramarines were allowed to absorb some members of groups perhaps meant fpr complete censure...
I remember Bricky and DK teasing us about the Lion El'Johnson episode since the podcast started. I'm super happy to see the episode but it's kinda bitter sweet...
I think it's interesting that the Lion's mini got the Emperor's Shield, while Guilleman got the sword. It might symbolize the role they get to play in the coming years and the opposition to their old roles. Guilleman instead of building outward in a slow methodical fashion wielding the power of spreadsheets, pushing out harder and more aggresive in the Indomitus Crusade. Now with the Rise of Vashtor and a new Black Crusade looming, The Lion becomes less an exterminator but more of a Bulwark, the last Defender of Humanity.
I find it interesting how each primarch has an opposite primarch. Like, Dorn and Perturabo, one is cold and near unbreakable, and one is a little bitch. Russ and Angron, both savage, both hate magic, but one is loyal and honorable, the other will kill anyone no matter what. Curze and Sanguinius, both see the future, but one is dark and dreadful, the other is optimistic and noble. I'm not quite sure how the others match up, but still neat.
Just acouple things to add- the bad blood and then burying the hatchet with leman Russ is a cool moment. With them now having a great deal of respect for each other unless the new scouring books change that. His fights with Konrad is cool because he has to mentally change his attacks right before he strikes so Konrad can’t use his foresight. Also his moments in late part of the Horus heresy where he kinda of becomes kinder and is seeking to reconcile with Luther really makes the betrayal hit alot more.
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My favorite quote from the Lion, and I live by this quote.
‘You will never reach Terra in time to defend it, brother. The warp will not let you. This crusade will not let you. I will not let you. Do you think the archives of future generations will look upon you kindly for your absence?’
Curze paused in his diatribe, wiping away a fresh trickle of blood. ‘Or will the human descendants of this Imperium look to your legend and whisper of doubt? Will they ask why you were not present to defend the Throneworld, and speak likely lies that perhaps the Lion was not as loyal and true as the mighty, perfect Rogal Dorn?
Perhaps the Lion and his Dark Angels waited in the deepest reaches of space, watching, listening, and deciding to join the fight only when an obvious victor emerged.’ The Night Lord’s eyes glinted again, with both amusement and sorrow. ‘That is your fate, Lion. That is your future.’
‘Forgive me, brother.’ Curze tilted his head. ‘For what?’
Corswain was watching both primarchs yet still never saw what happened, such was the speed of the Lion’s movements. One moment the two brothers were speaking - the Lion’s features cast down in contemplation, Curze’s eyes fever-bright as he promised an ignoble fate. The next, Curze’s features twisted into a taut rictus of pain, blood running between his clenched teeth.
The Lion held tight to the grip of his blade, buried to the hilt in his brother’s stomach. More than a metre of shining, bloodstained steel thrust from the back of Curze’s armour. ‘For such a dishonourable blow,’ the Lion whispered into Curze’s pale, bleeding face.
‘I do not care who knows the truth now, tomorrow, or in ten thousand years. Loyalty is its own reward.’
Considering Konrad Curze was one of the faster Primarchs, it really goes to show just how fast the Lion could move.
@@ShadowGhost0117 yeah, catching CURZE of all people by surprise is one hell of an achievement - what a badass moment
@@leek.3671 Yeah, the Lion nearly kills Curze on several occasions.
I also remember another one which I think was in Unremembered Empire where the Lion is hunting Curze on the Invisible Reason. It gets to the point where the Lion manages to find Curze below him on a gantry. Curze doesn’t know the Lion is there as he’s expecting the Lion to show up below him. So as a result the Lion silently pulls his sword from its sheath and prepares to drop on Curze (he puts his sword under his foot so that when he drops the sword will decapitate Curze, and if that doesn’t work the impact of him falling will compensate for it).
The only reason it doesn’t work is that before the Lion drops down, his vox goes off when one of his Dark Angels contacts him. As soon as that happens, Curze basically goes “So close, you were so close weren’t you”, and gets away again.
@alexyoblick3947 he almost outstealthed one of the best stealth primarchs
What book is that quote in? Such a cool quote
My favorite quote from the Lion is one he said to Guiliman: "Insult me again, Brother, and I will Theoretically punch you in your Practical face"
I also love when Guilliman pins him against a wall and the Lion simply replies with “Release me now brother, or I will show you who the better warrior is”.
Man literally said let me go or I will beat your ass
@@ShadowGhost0117 Or, more accurately: "Fuck around and Find out."
His humor is so dry, I love it.
While that is a badass quote he was a pos for bombing mcragge and trying to hide it just for Konrad to to revel it and Lion got his sword broken over Gullimen knee which was justified
@@Channel-23s oh i know. Its just funny for him to use Guilliman's "Theoretical and Practical" against him like this
If you think about it, the fact that half of the Lion’s sons turned traitor only serves to strengthen the similarities between him and the Emperor. Truly like father, like son.
Ooooh, I never thought of that before
All of the legions had traitors on them
@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 not to the point where half the legion turned traitor in the case of the rest of the loyalists though.
@@fotismanolopoulos1098 If i recall correctly the legions that turned traitor were 50/50 on both side
@@fotismanolopoulos1098 The Khan
I finally realized why the Lion and Russ don't get along!
One is a cat, the other a dog.
Theres also a fun comparison ive heard that Russ is a noble pretending to be a savage, while the Lion is a savage pretending to be a noble.
@@95keat one is an executioner, the other an exterminator
@@00784865 It's more like that Russ is smarter and more civilized than he lets on. Lion is a savage (see Tarzan) that wore the façade of knight.
@@95keat Wasn't that comparison between Russ & Sanguinius?
@@alexsegers1032 I have seen sanguinius written with a dark side due to the red thirst/black rage but he's mostly written borderline perfect since he's meant to be the noble sacrifice at the end.
"Survivors are just future enemies"
- Lion El'Jonson
In his Primarch novel, Lord of the First there is this exchange between Lion and Emperor. It explain Dark Angels' true purpose.
'May I be the first to congratulate you on your recent victory.'
Once again, the Emperor received the Lion within the staterooms aboard His flagship. The glorious suite of golden chambers elevated Imperial majesty to the point of inconsequentiality. So rich were they, so sumptuously appointed that, like the Emperor Himself, it was difficult to form a distinct impression beyond a sense of humbling and of awe. Once again, the Lion recalled little of the antechambers and grand processionals that had preceded his passage. It was as if a part of him was always here in these rooms with his father, and that part could never leave.
‘Thank you, father,' he said.
'You were not the first of my sons to reclaim a place at my side, but your tally of victories is second to no other. Even Horus looks upon them with envy.'
'Horus inspires,' said the Lion. 'Magnus enlightens. Lorgar illuminates. Roboute raises an Imperium in miniature that celebrates his name and yours. I have left as many worlds behind me as any two of my brothers, but I fear that darkness and ash will be the legacy I leave to your Imperium.'
The Emperor considered long, as He often did, before giving an answer.
'In the time of the Aegypta there was an empress named Hatshepsut. By all accounts of her that survive she was an equitable and proficient ruler, by the standards of her time. She rebuilt her land in the wake of war and occupation, erecting great monuments and bringing prosperity to her people. She reassembled the Aegypta's navy, using it to re-establish their old empire, and launched military campaigns against the nations who had once been their oppressors.'
’A legacy whose parallels are not hard to see,' said the Lion.
'And yet those who came after her did all within their power to ensure that she would have no legacy. Her name was chiselled from every monument, her every deed and triumph stricken from public record. Even her body was removed from its royal tomb.'
'Why, if her reign was so equitable?'
'Because those who succeeded her desired it. Because sometimes what comes before is too troublesome to be paved over in rockcrete, to amend with a monument to compliance or a golden aquila on an Imperial flag. Sometimes it is enough only that it be destroyed, that no trace of it but darkness and ash be left to endure.'
‘And yet history still remembers this empress.'
‘The Emperor Thutmose the Third did not have his Dark Angels.'
Is the lions primarch book worth it or good?
Is that the same book where Big E explains to the Lion that he didn't get any special titles becuase the Lion is the only son who is capable enough to understand that a job well done is reward enough for people like the Lion? He basically compares the title of Warmaster to a reward sticker to keep a toddler happy. While never said openly, the Lion is clearly the favorite and most competent son
@@Lord_McDonalds it’s definitely worth reading/listening to.
I've always found it funny that the Emperor uses the weird, slightly off names for things of ancient Earth, considering he was literally there for them. If anyone could remember the place was called Egypt, it would be him.
@@ryantannar5301 As Bricky said in the episode, of all of his Sons, Lion is one most comparable to The Emperor in terms of personality. Cold detached and the end absolutely justified the means.
The dynamic between Leman Russ and the Lion are some of my favorite primarch relationships
Lion- Acts Noble, is Savage
Russ-Acts Savage, is Noble
Reminds me of Gork and Mork. One is noble, but savage.The other is savage, but noble.
Jokes aside it does say something that the more outwardly savage man could have such a kind heart despite it, while the more noble looking one was so much more ruthless
Indeed, and I think this is also reflected in the way that it was Russ that stopped their duel to laugh about how silly it was and took being stabbed by the Lion with no hard feelings. He knew his brother and while they were at each others throats in some regards they were two sides of a coin in many ways.
Leman Russ is a man pretending to be a beast
But the Lion is a beast pretending to be a man
Its the big cat vs the big dog, it kinda works out lol.
Lion is a beast pretending to be a man
Leman is a man pretending to be a beast
Fun fact: the emperor gave the Lion control over a group of lobotomized Men of Iron called the Excindio. Being the firstborn means you get all the best toys.
He also has a LOT of nukes.
Heck, most Dark Angels ships have vaults deep within that contain all sorts of Dark Age tech. It’s incredibly dangerous to simply walk through these things, as there are so many deadly security measures in place (pressure sensors, heat sensors, etc) that simply stepping in the wrong spot can cause your death. These vaults are so durable that if the entire ship was to explode, the vault would simply float around in space.
They also have other really scary DAOT weapons, such as the one that snuff out a star.
Dad says we can use the super warcrimes guns
Don’t forget the guns that make whoever you shoot have never existed in the first place. Still one of the craziest weapons I’ve ever heard of.
I think that Bricky did a good job introducing The Lion in a “foot in the door” manner, only thing I would have added was how good of a duelist he was. Like he made Curze think that maybe his powers were bullshit because the Lion could’ve just killed him
I also love the scene in Unremembered Empire when the one Space Wolf does the honor duel with him. The Space Wolf attacks so suddenly (it literally mentions that there was no shift in stance, no hint of movement ahead of the blow, just goes from standing still to the swing in the blink of an eye) that Guilliman notes that he wouldn’t have been able to stop the blow. But the Lion perfectly catches the blow when it is inches from his face.
@@ShadowGhost0117 He then proceeds to fold the Space Wolf in two.
The fight between those two remembered me of the fight of Sasuke and Rock Lee. One had the sharingan and had the feeling he could almost see the future while the other one was to fast to react.
@@starhammer5247 he bitch slapped him into flight
When you mentioned the Lion spawn-camping Angron, I immediatelly pictured him sitting on a rock like Thanos when Angron comes back, just calmly re-sharpening his sword between the duels
"You could not live with your own failure... and where did that lead you? Back to me"-Lion El'Johnson, probably
Dark Angels: Yes, the Lion's awakens!! 😊
Also, Dark Angels: SHIT THE LION HAS AWAKEN!! 😨 (they haven't got all of the Fallen)
They revealed in the preview to the new Lion book that he was awake and about in the galaxy for a long time now AND working alongside the Fallen. So yeah Dark Angels being the dumbest legion is canon now.
BTW. Bricky forgot to mention that after Luthor was banished to Caliban, Luther was ultimately left to manage affairs on Caliban while the Lion waged the Great Crusade. Luther had to deal with a rebellion by the disgruntled nobility of Caliban who had their peasant farmers and lands confiscated by the Imperium. A cabal of Chaos Sorcerers also infiltrated Caliban to bring further instability, and Luther was made aware of Caliban's possible Warp infestation. Luther became convinced that Caliban would be destroyed by the Emperor as soon as this was discovered and became paranoid that the Lion had deliberately kept this from him as a death sentence. His suspicions grew after he learned that a cult of Terrans was in the process of a daemonic ritual, which was narrowly stopped by Zahariel( who is maybe Cypher), a librarian who Luther had grown fond of... This is basically how the modern Dark Angels act and not the modern Fallen, oh the Irony. Just change the names form Luthor and Zahariel to Azrael and Ezekiel and you literally have every single 40K story about the Dark Angels. 🤣
a whooping is in order
The Lion would be more piss when he find out they were not doing good old genocides and instead hunting like *looks at list* 300 marines.
The lion just thought the introduction would be awkward so he avoided it for thousands of years like the ture omni-autist he is.
What fallen
You forgot to mention the time he exterminated a race of psychic parasites and killed one by strangling it in his mind space and then reading it’s mind.
I love how when one of the Krave tries to read the mind of a Dark Angel to get information, it can’t learn anything. The reason isn’t because it couldn’t read his mind, but because the Dark Angel simply wasn’t given clearance to know such things due to not being part of any order or sub group that would have such info.
@@ShadowGhost0117 They are the one group the Alpha Legion would fail to infiltrate. Their command structure is too fucking confusing.
@@starhammer5247joke on you they are actually all Alpharius
@@ekulerudamuru Makes sense as apparently the Dark Angels have hidden codewords that rewrite their minds to perform a particular task just like what the Alpha Legion has done in the past to their own legionnaires.
@@starhammer5247the alpha legion did actually manage to infiltrate the dark angels as they have with every other legion. The problem was that the angels are so heavily compartmentalized that the infiltrators couldn't really access any critical information or co-ordinate with each other making the entire effort near useless.
I actually thought bricky was going to follow up with "the difference with curze is that he ate children and rat and shit.... Whilst the lion ate chaos dinosaurs"
I'm 99% sure Lion at some point hunted and ate humans. Gotta get that protein somewhere and chaos dinosaurs are above prepubescent primarchs in food chain.
The Lion coming back is interesting because it's such a huge change for the Dark Angels. The Ultramarines with Guilliman are just the Ultramarines without Guilliman but even harder. Having the Lion back will change the Dark Angels' whole identity.
If they can move from only hunting the fallen to back to being the secret hexegramatton that war crimes the hardest. That would cool.
Add in some minor uncivil infighting. And you got a legion in service to the lion who absolutely hates each other.
Which is a cool change
@@rommellamadrid6794 The (40k) Dark Angels still behave like the Hexegramatton it's just GW forgets that and makes them act like morons, as dramatic as this is 40k Dark Angel lore is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously.
@@Hikurangi911 it’s sad that I haven’t read much that shows it. I would love to see wings such as the Dreadwing, Ironwing, and Firewing make official returns
@@nmr7203 Correct, you made my point without all the word salad.
GW seems to understand how they failed 40k darkangels and kind of made them a one note joke. If the lion's novel is the way the lore is going they may become my favorite legion.
One minor thing not mentioned is the Lion is considered Keeper of Secrets. He never gave anyone the full story of his intentions or how much he knows. To anyone, even his own brothers or most trusted sons they only knew half of the side he showed them. It's why he's often given missions by the Emperor to exterminate something knowing history wouldn't remember it, but to accept that duty as its own reward. All his Dark Angels are conditioned to not question the Lion or pry into anything even amongst themselves because to do so would compromise a delicately kept information network to prevent obfuscation and espionage from outside forces. In some ways they put the Alpha Legion to shame.
This is also why the lodges failed to take place in the 1st legion
@@NuAntares this is also why Alpha Legion can’t effectively infiltrate them
@@NuAntares That, and the Dark Angels already had an intricate network of secret societies. Why would they need to join "Khorne Fight Club" to have a social life, when they already have a fraternal order? The lodges had nothing to offer the Dark Angels that they didn't already possess.
Yet half of the sons fell, Magnus knew more dark secrets, and the alpha legion had and has operated as dark angels.
@@Ashtor1337 my dad is cooler than your dad
From my understanding. The Parallel with the Emperor isn't just what was discussed. The reason Luthor landed his big attack is because Lion actually hesitated to strike the killing blow, giving Luthor his opening. When Luthor realized what happened that is why his mind broke free from Chaos. The Lion of all people, shows him mercy due to seeing Luthor as a brother, hence why Luthor was convinced he would come back to forgive him.
This is correct. The Lion, even though he was furious, couldn't bring himself to kill Luther when he had the chance. Cue psychic attack and warp shenanigans.
I really do hope we get to see a scene where the Lion forgives Luther, and Luther finds peace in some way. I always liked Luther as a character because his betrayal always felt innately human. Flawed, but human. Especially with how he, somehow, casts off Chaos at the very end. That's no small feat that I feel goes underappreciated.
So, is Lion a better father than Him? 😂
Actually, a lot of Death Worlds end up being good for the Primarch.
Inwit: Dorn
Calaban : The Lion
Fenris: Russ
Nocturne: Vulkan
Baal: Sanguinius
and it's TECHNICALLY not a Death World, but Medusa, The Gorgan, is freaking Necron Tomb World.
Meanwhile on the Trator side we have
Cthonia: Horus
Barbarus: Morty
and maybe Nostramo, Kurz counts.
Curze’s world is somehow worse that some of those death worlds, there’s a reason why self deletion was so high
I landed directly on dad's porch, no idea were my other half was all this time, but being directly "raised" by Father and, even more so, by Malcador wasn't the easiest thing ever.
Well yeah, You need to be a combination of Sharp and tough to survive and thrive on a death world.
I believe fulgrim also grew up in a nuclear winter hellhole
What would happen if one of the primarchs landed on Catachan?
Can’t wait for the Corax episode, probably the second nicest primarch next to Vulkan. Like he’s cold and indifferent but he isn’t unfair or malicious. Also he is sneakily one of the toughest primarchs, I mean he’s the only Primarch to come out of the drop-site massacre whole and he makes Lorgar his bitch multiple times which is always fun.
"He's in the walls. He's in the goddamned walls!" Lorgar, probably
He does care for the common people, having been raised in a prison and leading a revolution and stuff.
Hmm. He's very particular in his "mercy". Dude broke out a world of prisoners but his back up plan was to flush the place so they would never be prisoners again. Relative to some of the other primarchs with considerably less chill (Dorn), he's pretty good but may the Emperor protect you if you show warp taint in his presence because Corvus made a promise and nearly took the corrupted part of his legion along with the Space Wolves into suicide by alpha legion to keep it. He also saw the prisoner girl getting abused and proceeded to gift her the head of her abuser which certainly a strange sort of kindness. I also can't help but feel bad for Hef the loyalist killed by his own loyalist gene father.
Also the only one his father told about Chaos. 😂
Great job, Big E.
The Dark angels are very sore over what happened with the Fallen, but on their defense this betrayal was a bit different compared to traitors in the other Legions. Two of the Primarchs were killed by their fallen brothers during the Heresy, but Lion was brought down by his own sons.
The command structure of the First Legion was ridiculously complex, so it is difficult to say who was Lions second-in-command. However, his insecurities aside, Luther was the Primarch's oldest Lieutenant and his first friend, respected across the whole Legion and outside of it with spectacular service record. His betrayal and turning Caliban and half of the Legion to secede would be comparable to Sigismund using the Black Blade to backstab Rogal Dorn.
Iirc there's a story about Kairos Fatewever invading the Invincible Reason to corrupt the Lion. His perfect knowledge of the future allowed him to effortlessly peel away the defenses of the Dark Angel Flagship until, finally, he and his forces stood on the bridge facing the primarch and his honor guard. Kairos cast his gaze into the future to see what temptations he could offer the Lion to most swiftly seduce him to chaos; but no future he saw had the Lion fall. In his stupor, he was wide open to attack so the Lion attacked and forced him back into the warp.
@Alsonallu hells yeah, I see the lion, and pardon the poor example i suppose, as like big e's kind of vader pre Disney legends style. Snapping necks, cutting people to ribbons, committing planetwide genocides with superweapons of mass destruction, and making funny quips all in the process. I could just see him after his punch looking down at the corpse "apology accepted captain nemiel" lol.
@@sawyeratkinson not a bad example at all
The big thing to remember at The Boy The Lion is that he's not just a Primarch. He is the First Primarch, the template upon which all his brothers were built. This is not simply the return of a father to lead his sons. This is the firstborn son of the Emperor waking up from his ten thousand year power nap. Which I guess makes him very different from his dad, cause he can actually get out of bed.
I love the quote on The Lion - Son of the Forest:
"I failed my father. I fear I also failed my brothers. i do not wish to fail my sons."
It's one of the things I truly like about him. He does, genuinely, care. He's just terrible at expressing and communicating it to the people that need to hear it.
The comparison to doomguy is always apt for The Lion. During the books, he walks from enemy to enemy killing each and every one of them. He kills and kills and kills. He does not stop until the field is either emptied by his legion, or he did it himself alone.
He will rip and tear, and will not cease until it is completely and utterly done. He is a walking fury in the shell of a man. He is the burning of the densest forest encased in a suit of unbreakable armor and allowed to spread into every corner galaxy. His work is never complete until the realm is fully cleansed of the hellish abominations who walk amongst men.
He is doom incarnate.
Nah
Nah
@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 man is pretending like Jaghatai didn't get a glory kill on a Greater Daemon of Slaanesh in Scars, bruh
@World Eater yeah, but the Warhawk is savage in the same way a warrior is savage, he has training and skill. However, the Lion fights like a trained beast, the skill is there yes, but what is behind his eyes is nothing but instinct and the primal drive to kill what is in front for you before it does the same, the Kahn is a hurricane channeled through a man, the Lion is a sentient, well learned jungle.
@@wafflemadness199 and?
Tonite on Ridiculous Gear: DK gets tortured by Belial until he finally admits to being a furry, Bricky finally re-awakes after a alcohol induced rant about how Konrad played the hit game "Amongus" with the Lion or some shit and Shy mind wipes herself once again after DK's attempt at humour(Love u DK) left her coping and/or seething and Asmodai makes the crew repent for the crime of living in California
There's another one! LET'S GOOOOOOO
@@IdioticSynergy im the same one lol
@@faris7021 Faris, you bring me great joy as I know there is always a ridiculous gear ^^
The worst sin of all time.
To those who get salty on Primarch episodes, I like to remind the ever-needed, sorely-missed motto of Adeptus Ridiculous: "Entertainment Over Accuracy."
Great episode!
I know that they have their fun way of doing these videos, and for the most part that’s fine. But there comes a point where if you don’t get certain details right, you get a false picture of the topic.
The royal sons of the Emperor have a great record of having caring parents after their discovery. Except for Lion El'Jonson’s adapted ‘Redacted’, half of the legion became ‘Redacted’ which led to more ‘Redacted’
You forgot the part where redacted
And you forgot about that one -Redacted-
You mean the Fal-
(my Chaplains have advise me to not finish this comment)
😅😅😅😅😅😅😊😊😊😊😊😅😅😅
*Asmodai watches silently with repentant intent*
Had to chuckle when it was revealed that Luther is still alive within the Rock. Can't have an old Medieval Castle without an insane Prisoner locked up and kept secret deep in the dungeons!
In current lore Luther has escaped. Chaos attacked and led a jail break for luther and a bunch of captive fallen. Funnily enough, the rumour of where he escaped is the same star system that vashtorr is going to set up his trap
@@zevriungames7463 Luthor was in stasis only let out whenever there's a new Supreme Grandmaster and that new guy wants to talk. Otherwise, he's on ice.
I love the fact that Luther AND the Lion were on the Rock the whole time. It's the perfect symbol for the answer of all of the Dark Angles problems, being right beside them, if they could just get their heads out of their asses!
@@dyingearth nah he is free. He is currently amassing a large Fallen army to rival the legion of old. Look it up
Honestly this was a lot better than I thought it would be. One note for that member of the Lions Honor Guard that stabbed Curze in the back, his name is Corswain. He’s basically the Dark Angels equivalent of Sigismund.
And he is a Chad
@@evantaylor9566 aka Savior of the Astronomican
I really hope he makes it out of the Siege alive
@@michaeldimare3786 we know he does, as Luther recalls him fighting Zahariel at the fall of Caliban
@@CynicalOptimist99 Just checking 😅
The Lion has an instinctual understanding of combat. In fact his combat instincts are so good that he can redirect an attack mid-swing and turn what would have been a wounding blow into a killing blow, also he can adjust mid-combat and parry an incoming attack that would have killed him. The
Nighthaunter can see the future and change his attacks to block an incoming attack or land a lethal blow.
During their duel on MacCragge, the Lion would instinctually block Kurze's attacks then counter attack, forcing the Nighthaunter onto his back foot until he was overwhelmed.
The watchers in the Dark have the ability to enhance or disburse psychic powers and warp energy. I don't know if it's that chaos cannot see them or if it actively tries to avoid them. What is known is that they tend to pop up and aid the Dark Angels and their successor chapters at the most opportune moments, then fade away.
Glad to see some people properly understand the Lion’s instinctive abilities.
Chaos can sort of vaguely see them. The Changeling came face to face with one recognising it as a void in the aether which they can see in the materium but can't see in warp vision seeing only a gap in it's place. The Watcher singlehandedly drove the Changeling away from Luther which is an impressive achievement given the Changeling has messed with literal chaos gods, nearly killed Ahriman and at that moment was rather unconcernedly running from Ragnar Blackmane, Azrael, Asmodai, an Inquisitor and a Grey Knight through the Rock. They don't seem to be traditional blanks as they can interact fine with psykers when they want to and people don't seem to give them the hate blanks usually get although, as you can see from the tabletop rules, they can deny psychic powers.
Don't think this was mentioned but the Lion and Russ had beef from the Great Crusade and that rivalry continues to current times. Every time the Dark Angels and Space Wolves meet, then they have honor duels which sometimes ends up in fatalities.
Russ was stabbed by Lion during one of their rather heated duel. Russ just laugh it off.
@@dyingearth this was immediately after they saw the emperor first entombed on the golden throne. The lion was rampaging and going ballistic throughout the throneways and meets with russ. He wants to finish their duel so goes to kill russ and makes himself miss the killing stroke cause russ didn't fight back. They basically knew they were failures and that was their form of commiseration.
You forgot to mention one other thing about the Perturabo/Lion moment. Petry got on Lion’s good side simply by saying that the Lion should’ve been declared Warmaster, not Horus the filthy turncoat.
Lion doesn’t care for rank/pageantry but if being declared Warmaster meant it gave him more authority and ability to help his life’s mission of exterminating all enemies of the imperium, than of course he wants that position. He figured he could easily claim it when the insurrection is over with.
And yet after all that, by the end it became utterly meaningless. All his loses and fighting and wounds and slaughter of his fellow astartes got him NOTHING but daddy being put on the throne and the imperium in shambles.
DK: "If they're on a death world they're traitors."
Sanguinius, Vulcan, Ferrus, Leman: "Are we a joke to you?"
Aren't most of the imperium's regiments from Death worlds tend to be the most loyal.
@@mikecampos1193 correct! Krieg and Catachan are two of the most loyal Regiments in Astra Militarum
On the 8th second of the 8th minute of the 8th hour of the 8th day after killing Angron, the Lion sacrifices 8 warriors to summon Angron to his location...
That is how you spawn camp the Red Angel.
Fun fact: the parts of the legion that he banished to Caliban would routinely send him reports of what's going on on the planet.
And in classic lion fashion, he just doesn't read any of them.
A couple things to mention from my impression of the lore. First, I don’t believe Luther actually joined Horus. Instead Luther saw it as an opportunity for Caliban to become independent of the imperium (idk the crazy warp entity inside caliban might have just made him crazy)
Second, bricky does a whole lion episode without mentioning the watchers in the dark, the little jawa xenos guys that make demons shit themselves
Great episode bricky and honestly more hype for the lion arks book and the son of the forest novel
Luther and the Fallens (basically those that were send back to Caliban and those they raised in the meantime) weren't against the Imperium. They're against Lion.
@@dyingearth some were loyal to the empire some weren't some fell to chaos some didn't. The fallen are even more confusing than even the Dark Angels.
@Alsonallu yeah it's one of the main reasons the fallen aren't really known about by the wider Imperium and why they didn't get off Caliban
Yeah, they got the whole Luther part very wrong. It explicitly states that he wanted an independent caliban, and didn't want any part of Horus' rebellion.
@@Tarzard not the whole part. Luther did in fact fall to Chaos but yes he wasn't apart of Horus' revolt
Angron: “Your time has come, Son of the Forest. The Red Angel has arrived and I will take your skull for Khorne’s throne.”
Also Angron: “Why do I hear ‘Rules of Nature’ playing?”
The time has come to an end
Yeah, this is what nature planned
Being tracked by a starving beast
Looking for it's daily feast
A predator on the verge of death
Close to its last breath
Getting close to its last breath
RULES OF NATURE!!!
@@vsGoliath96 AND THEY RUN WHEN THE SUN COMES UP,
WITH THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE!
ALIVE FOR A WHILE,
NO CHOICE, GOTTA FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THE WILD!
Emps: Stop that axe!
Angron works off Doomguy rules and music tho, unlike Lion.
@@hyko8355 “Yes, yes! Split him wide open!”
Fun fact King Arthur's father was named Uther Pendragon. A little extra note on the similarities.
I love the aura of lion among his brothers and how quickly Rob and Sanguinius changed from reverence to "I am tired of your shit Johnson" as they got to know him better at Imperium Secundus.
3 scariest things on Caliban
3 the beasts
2 the lion
1 shy
If I recall, Russ is the Emperor’s Executioner, for his (supposed) murders of [REDACTED] and [REDACTED], and Lion is the Emperor’s Exterminator, for his whole “Captain Genocide” thing
The first campaign of the dark angels after getting the lion was called the radagan xenocide
See my excerpt from Lord of the First. Dark Angels is what Emperor send when he wants something erase from history.
I have a theory that it was actually the lion who killed the two missing primarchs, and not leman. Leman is too sentimental to kill his brothers, while the lion stabbed Konrad in a parley. The man's a complete Savage, lmao.
@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 Pretty sure I heard that one book has a Wolf ofhandedly note that their legion has had expirience fighting other space marines, a thing that is treated as impossibility then.
then again if Dark Angels erased someone they would not even mention it.
It could be that the Wolves and the DA took out 1 [Redacted] each, earning their primarchs their places as Big E's executioners and exterminators.
I genuinely cannot wait for the Lion to reunite with Guilliman. It's going to be WILD, mostly because I have no idea what Bobby is going to get scolded about first, only to return in kind with an ultra-hug and an ultra-ultra-cry.
And after that scolding, Lion will likely return the ultra-hug in kind.
This will be wholesome to be sure. 😊
Yeah. I fear that they will sneer and fight eachother again, but I hope they could commisserate eachother's returns, empathize with eachother for the burdens they both have to carry, and simply be happy for eachother. They are shown to be very tactful & polite despite their hatred for what the Imperium has become, especially the Lion, which is probably in tune with how he has become aged. The Lion asks Haraj for the control of Avalus's forces the same way Guilliman asks Calgar for control of the Ultramarines.
"Embrace the Sigma Grindset." - Lion, the Big Johnson.
My absolutly favourite quote from the lion is when he is dueling Konrad and he is tring to taunt him and Lion just says "Loyalty is its own reward" and procedes to pirce him with his sword
“The Knights of Lupus planned to overthrow The Order, and tamed the beasts to aid them”
It’s like poetry, it rhymes
I will add a quick note about Luther, just in case you guys haven't read his book which I highly recommend. Luther is actually quite sympathetic to be honest, in his book you get a really good feel for his love and passion for Caliban, its culture, its history, what its like to be a knight on Caliban, and so on. Then you get his perspective as that world he loves begins to crumble and change around him, how the forests are being cleared for factories, their culture is being stripped, and how he desperately wants to protect it. I feel bad for luther, he betrayed the dark angels and the imperium but he did have a just reason. Protecting his home.
Dark Angels player here. You absolutely nailed this episode 👌And no, sympathy for Luther is VERY understandable. Dude got shafted over and over again, his fall is tragic but certainly one you can sympathise with.
Was the end correct? I swear the lion wasn't dragged into the warp but was secreted away by the watchers?
@@YOGI-kb9tg you are correct. Hopefully Bricky corrects himself on that note when they do the Dark Angels episode.
Luther is my favourite traitor. He tries, truly, to remain the good man he really is, but his will, faith and good nature is slowly chiselled away by envy and doubt, and then the Chaos Gods start grasping for him. Yet, in the end at that pivotal moment, he casts them out and refuses to cause the Lion any more harm. Imagine the willpower it has to take to be chosen by the four gods of Chaos, and then cast off their blessings?
I really hope the Dark Angels find Luther, and that he gets to be reunited with the Lion. I hope he gets the forgiveness he's hoped for.
I feel like he is what Chaos characters should be instead of being hypocrites. Or if they're just not like Erebus.
Depending on how the End and the Death Vol.2 plays out, the Dark Angels might have had more traitors than the Alpha Legion
At the end of the Heresy there were more Fallen Angels then Salamanders, Iron Hands, Ravenguard and Imperial Fists combined, the first three got bodied at Isstvan and the Iron Cage left few Fist Survivors meanwhile the book Luther First of the Fallen puts them around 30 to 40K
@@larsdewit6521 Which is part of the reason why the modern chapter is so concerned with the chapter. During the heresy, most traitors in loyalist legions were either dealt with quickly or too small in number to matter.
Then, you have the first legion-big brother to all other legions with a reputation and ego to match-and they apparently have so many traitors they could form an entire small legion on their own. And not only did the Dark Angels not kill them all, but the traitors have also been scattered throughout time and space, each one of them an opportunity to tarnish the illustrious reputation and pride of the first legion.
Hmm, I'm not sure if we count "we prepared for every eventuality" as either traitor or loyalist. Theoretically they did betray both Chaos and the Imperium so they're traitors twice over. I just love the idea some Alpha legionnaire disguises themselves as some Dark Angel they found to infiltrate the Rock only for the Dark Angels to start chasing them relentlessly and trying to kill them because they dressed up as Cypher.
I’m really interested to see if those alpha legionaries beneath the throne room do get activated.
@@consolescrub4031 wait, they betrayed both? I thought it was just a meme but is there merit to the idea that actually there are both loyalist and traitorous alphas?
My favorite part about most of The Lion's story. Most of his story can be summed up in, "and then The Lion stabbed him."
One thing I think would be cool to talk about in the dark angels episode would be how terrifying the watchers in the dark are
I'm not a Space Marine/Dark Angels player, but i love the Watchers In The Dark and their lore. In true 40k style, there is enough lore that you could spend twenty minutes talking about what they do on the Rock, how they look after the Lion, how they follow those marked for greatness and how you shouldn't mess with them or you'll disappear and then in the tabletop their entire thing is ''negate one psychic power''. Lol.
I remember in Angels of Caliban when some of the Dark Angels Librarians on Caliban try to use their powers to get an idea of what Luther is planning. When they try, they notice at least around 6 or so watchers that are there to stop them. This freaks the Librarians quite a bit.
after hearing the bit with the nuke, it kinda sounds like the lion maybe just wanted his closest friend and best leader safe so they couldn't both be removed in a singular strike.
That, or if he did know, thought “….you might need some time off”
The Lion is a bit clueless with people so it's fully possible he wanted to separate the command structure further and just had no comprehension of Luther's ego. That said, I'm not too convinced it matters why he did it. It just matters how Luther perceived it. He could have wanted the person he most trusted in charge of the recruiting process so he doesn't end up like the Night Lords recruiting poison, it could have been meant as a break for an overworked friend or it could genuinely have been a punishment for allowing doubt to creep in because the Lion holds everyone to very exacting standards. He's the primarch of one of the most enigmatic legions, his reasoning is unlikely to be clear cut.
Knights of Caliban, rejoice! The era of sign tapping is over!
Best primarch, by far. I saw this great comment on 40klore the other day: 'Russ wears his savagery to hide his regality while the Lion uses his regality to hide the savage nature that lurks beneath'. He's the pinnacle of what the Emps wanted to create with the program, and that's why he and his legion gets trusted with all the spooky weaponry
And yet he has fallen short of most of his brothers. His legion was the first made and got all the best toys. Not because they were better. Because they were first. Even with the best toys he still lost his home world, half his sons went traitor. He lost trust of his brothers, his dad died and the lowest of his brothers won. Seriously beyond Angron I can't see how the Lion measures up.
@@Ashtor1337 40k is a tragic setting
@@Ashtor1337 “Fallen short of most of his brothers?” The first legion wasn’t just the first made, they crafted the bases for every other legion with its Hosts. They were the best, not because they were magically superior, but because again and again Emps threw them against the worst of the worst, and they won. They were sent against threats that would break anyone else, any other Legion, and in fighting such things, they became the best at their craft. While every Legion had a niche, a specific field of war they excelled, eh First was made to excel, not as a legion, but as a group of orders.
Stealth? Send the Firewing. Need an armored assault? Ironwing advances. Fast assault? Ravenwing at them. Need to board something? Stormwing is it then. Want to protect/ murder someone very much? Deathwing on the field. Want to eradicate something to hell and back? Dreadwing goes boom.
Lion forged an exemplary legion that matched Horus in victories, even when most of his victories were redacted for safety. Lion is surpassed by a few, maybe Sanguinious, maybe Roboute at some points. But Fulgrim? Logar? Perty? Morty? Horus himself?
Lion burnt his worlds, and scourged his legions, and the only reason he did not play a more pivotal role, was because Horus purposely sent him to the far reaches of the galaxy, just because he knew he would not be able to contain him. He wasn´t perfect, and he messed up, but that’s the thing of Lion. He is a great warrior, but he sucks at personal interaction, made to destroy, and as he said in his novel, he was afraid to leave a legacy of only ash and fire.
Luther was half-brainwashed by a warp entity that dominated a whole planet, he also did not join Horus, He wanted his home to remain itself, and keep Caliban as it was before the Imperium. And it wasn’t half the legion, in Caliban many Dark Angels did not follow Luther´s plan, prompting inner fighting through the entire planet.
And while the Emperor doubted other sons, he never hesitated about the Lion, he told Malcador as such.
@@TheLostPrimarch2nd here the thing they were a template with the best tech and in specific fields they were surpassed with basic gear. Each legion that specialized doesn't get dark age tech but can match the Dark Angles. As to his brothers, Fulgrim: rebuilt his legion from less than 1000 troops to one of the most successful legions pre heresy and made a fighting force that could perfectly cooperate with multiple legions in what ever task was assigned. Again without the dark age tech. He was one of the best Duelist, and an amazing crafter. Perty: was tasked by big E to do what none of his brothers could. He was to be unbreakable. Not only is he almost solely responsible for any success during the siege of Terra, he out smarted the Lion because of Lions interpersonal issues. Horus: was Horus. Consider for a moment what was the difference between Horus and Lion.... The ability to cooperate with his brothers. The Lion could not have been the warmaster because he was so closed off. Look how he worked with Papa Smurf and the Angel. 2 of the east of his brothers to get along with. He betrayed them. Now compare that to Horus. Literally had most of his brothers trust until Chaos got involved. Hell Luther and Horus stories are about the same. Now on to the Lorgar...
I know he is the worst of the Primarchs but if you look at the current age. Lorgar won. Almost everything he wanted has come true. Sure he is trapped in his dorm room by a made bird brother but humanity has become what he wanted.
Finally the the ultimate testament to his leadership skills is the loss of half his legion. His right hand fell to chaos. Lion and the Angels like to pretend they are the all knowing keeper of secrets and yet half...HALF the legion was traitor and not boom over night, like for decades if not longer. For a man that was supposed to rival Horus for his leadership capability he couldn't even lead his own legion.
Mortarion is probably the only Primarch that fails harder than the Lion when you look at thier life.
@@Ashtor1337 You misunderstand. The First legion wasn’t given better gear to compensate their own failings. They were given better gear because when the Emperor saw the maddest, most horrible, most destructive enemies of the Imperium, things that would have broken legions like twigs, he looked at Lion and said “See that? I don’t want to see it anymore.”
And Lion would go and kill it from memory itself.
He was, literally, the guy with the biggest list of victories, only being matched because most were redacted and forbidden from memory.
Lion had personal problems, mainly he was shit at communicating, but that was his failing. Fulgrim was a peacock that had a WAY too a high opinion of himself (proved by good old Jagathai), and while I respect Perturabo immensely, his failings were not only similar, they were worse, always finding nemesis and insults in every corner. Also, he didn’t outsmart Lion. He went to get siege weapons, and found Lion there having secured the guns and Perty was like “Well, I was going to get the weapons either way.” Lion saw a brother still loyal and got him the guns, Perty only had to keep the lie Horus created for the Imperium. He wasn’t outsmarted, in the same way, Ferrus, Vulkan and Corax weren’t outsmarted. They were betrayed.
Lion could not have been Warmaster? I don’t know what to tell you. In the HH books, we see the biggest problem Horus had during his time as a loyal Warmaster was that the two things.
First, he did not hold his sons accountable. To the former Luna Wolves, they were beyond reproach and beyond accusation. They thought that as astartes, they were better than the mortal they protected, and no baseline could command them. Lion had no such problem in his Legion. They were knights in service to humanity, the living, unseen shield. Kill because you must, but take no joy in it.
Second, Horus tried to please the politicians. Lion wouldn´t give a DAMM. War is war, politics come later. He would have let Luther talk to the politicians and adulators and Luther would have handled that very well. Hell, Lion is stated to be EXTREMELY popular among the circle of political intrigue in Terra. How I don’t know, but he was. But Horus insisted on dealing with it himself.
So, while I still believe that Sanguinius or Robuote would have been better warmasters, Horus was chosen because he was the first and most loved, most trusted, not because he was the best. Pride was his sin and the mental gymnastics he did to accept chaos still irks me to this day.
Lorgar won because Horus won, fucker did little bar Ultramar´s Shadow War and helped a bit at the siege until he got offended Horus was the favorite one… AGAIN. But true, he isn’t getting out of his tower anytime time soon, courtesy of “IM A FUCKING BIRD” Corax.
Lion was the best at his job, extermination. Which he did to the traitor's backline when he got the chance. And he did not betray Roboute. He didn’t trust him yet (as Lion does) and withheld information… which escalated into some MAJOR Fuck ups. But it was he who had the plan to send hawk boy to Terra and who understood the Emperor was still alive, Without Lion, Hawk Boy would not have arrived to Terra to hold the Gates and Corswain would not have activated the Astronomicon (or whatever he did).
You want uselessness? Talk to Leman. See what he did.
Lion mini was so powerful it made me interested in the Dark Angels. Dude is stanced the fuck up.
The Lion spanks Angron, shutting him down over and over, but Angron just keeps coming bakc and slowly the Lion is worn down. All is won, but for this, and Lion can't leave it be.
When finally a reborn Angron is about to get the upper hand, the Lion strikes him down once more, but for once not fatally, and both champions lay in the dust.
Perhaps there is time to speak, as death slows the violence Angron pursues and grants him a glimer of clarity to consider things while crawling towards his brother.
And then it is interrupted by slow, heavy clapping, and out of the darkness and dust walks Gazghul. "No peace for gits like ye. No escapin' by def again. Yu's in fer a krumpin, an' when yas need a rest, mah doc's gonna haf a look at yer fancy head piece."
Man, people forget that the lion wasn't a complete hard ass. He was just socially inept.
There's a line in one of the Horus books where the lions flagship drops out of the warp Infront of an enemy fleet and he shouts for updates.
And one of his bridge crew are like "sir there's 11 vessels"
And he just deadeyes the entire bridge and goes
"I routinely do complex astro-warp calculations.....in my head.....on the fly......yes, I'm capable of counting to 11 by myself.
And the entire bridge just stares at him, till he mutters.
"That was a joke"
Dudes just, well he's a dude. Much like all the dark angels, he has more of an issue of his perception, than the actual person beneath.
I don’t remember what book this was in, but I remember a similar scene where the Lion is talking with one of his sons.
He basically makes a slight joke and I think even chuckles at it. It’s so unusual that the Dark Angel is actually worried that he’s in trouble. The Lion literally has to explain that he was joking.
Ngl the idea The lion making jokes is stupidly funny for me lol
@@ShadowGhost0117 I think it partially comes down to just how naturally unnerving he is. I mean Malcador points out that his mere movements and presence unsettles his fellow primarchs. Imagine being a mere Marine, and now the man with that air about him is chuckling?
I'd be f-king terrified.
Imagine how difficult it must be to communicate when everyone is always on-edge around you?
"Murderhobo Tarzan" shall be, henceforth, my new headcanon name for the Lion.
And now that he's awake, we only need for Vulkan's respawn timer to run out or for Corax to get bored of going Edgar Allan Poe on Lorgar's ass to have the Imperial Power Trio assembled.
I do hope they have Lorgar return first
It has come! The Descent of Angels! . .. Seriously though Scanlan knocked it out of the park with that book.
Scanlan?
@@thevikingmusketeer9696 Mitchel Scanlon
. The author of "Descent of Angels".
Real glad that the Hexagrammaton got briefly mentioned. Definitely something that needs to be covered in more detail in the Dark Angels video
One of my favorite parts of the dark angel Horus heresy books was the pre emp section, medieval knights with bolt pistols, power armor, and chainswords riding horses, living in castles, and doing trench and trebuchet siege warfare
I hope those were some genetically modified mecha horses. Since ordinary ones would be crushed by power armor
That was actually the first Horus heresy book I read. It was a great place to start, seeing the Crusade-era Imperium through the eyes of a culture born during the Age of Strife.
Damnit, I was really hoping that Bricky would educate DK on why the traitors don't have homeworlds anymore.
Tywin Lannister. And I've seen a fair few people fantasy his actor, Charles Dance to play the lion if a live action ever were to be made. Though I think he would work well as the voice in animation as well
Something that I like about the dark angels that I hope gets covered in their episode is that they are super paranoid that thier retribution is just around the corner.
I love how ever since the Deathguard episode DK always assumes that when a primarch lands on a death world, they traitor
56:35 "And arriving down to fight Luther, while still bombarding the planet".
Kriegers studying this battle centuries into the future : *taking notes religiously*
Russ is the Emperor's Executioner, a King masquerading as a beast.
Lion is the Emperor's Exterminator, a Beast masquerading as a king.
Speaking to the Lion compared to Russ.
The executioner sends a message through fear.
The exterminator is the message.
Lion on an imperial world to reveal himself to the Imperium: "Greetings citizens, I am Lion El Jonson and I would like to know just what the hell is going o... IS THAT A FUCKING CHURCH?!"
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DK @ 42:50 “HE’S CAPTAIN GENOCIDE, WHAT DID HE THINK WAS GONNA HAPPEN?!?!” 😂😂😂
The Lion is also the *_first primarch to be created._* It is said his genetic material is the base template for ALL of the other primarchs
The Lion is also one of the few primarchs immediately given his Legion...an incredible amount of trust from the Emperor himself
He also is the Primarch the Emperor said would never turn, and potentially why he did not choose the Lion as Warmaster of the Imperium
On your last point you are wrong. Papa Smurf and Papa wolf were told the same thing.
@@Ashtor1337 I think I should qualify this perhaps. Certainly the Emperor had confidence in several of his sons, Guillman for his incredible administrative successes in Ultramar and Leman Russ for being Leman Russ. However, the Emperor hints his confidence in the Lion more so, especially in how he confides with him similar to a custodian. I reference the following passage:
“'Some men demand such pomp. They cannot accept the end of one era and the commencement of another without an occasion by which to mark it and give it meaning. Laurels must be given, honours and fair titles invented so that they may be bestowed upon favoured generals. Some men need recognition.'
The shadows around the Emperor's throne deepened. But beneath the layers of obfuscation, deep within the myriad guises of that singularly unfathomable being, the Lion felt the Emperor behold His firstborn son.
'Some men,' the Emperor continued, 'do not.'“
Additionally, the Lion was the most expected pick for Warmaster. However, the Emperor’s foresight said that the Warmaster would turn traitor (once again, taking certain assumptions on validity due to the complexity of Warhammer lore). Reading through the lines, from Lord of the First, First Lord of the Imperium, and more, I think that final statement is not far fetched, although, perhaps crudely put on my part
Problem with lion for warmaster, he is a bit TO brutal, if a primarch would step out of line, Horus would talk them and calm them down. Lion, would nuke their fucking planet and personally kill any of their families they have. 40k wise, he so perfect it is funny.
@@Fourtytwo4242 a feral beast impersonating a man indeed 😂
@@Fourtytwo4242 Yeah the actual main reason Horus was named Warmaster instead of The Lion was because Horus was charismatic and could actually lead his brothers while The Lion was very anti-social and could never communicate with his brothers effectively
46:04 My recollection of that was on the surface it was Exile for risking his life, and sending a contigent of those Dark Angels that were under Luthor. But in reality it was to send troops to defend Caliban as he was concerned of a growing schism in the Imperium.
The Lion ABSOLUTELY praises his sons, in his primarch book he specifically tells one of his sons that he's proud of him for making fortifications that are better than anything Dorn could make.
So he lied to his son. Yup sounds like the Lion.
@@Ashtor1337 no he was pretty sincere about it. The Lion is a bit similar to Dorn in that both of them don’t give out praise a whole lot, but when they do they aren’t lying about it.
I suppose this Dark Angel got a knife through his back. 😓
@@Archon3960nope
@@ShadowGhost0117 *_YES._* Geedubs is learning. 😎
You forgot that the Lion blew up the homeworld of every single traitor primarch when he couldn't make it in time to Terra and before the end of the Siege.
So Bricky was absolutely right about Lion being the exterminator while Russ was the executioner. In the new book it states outright that Russ would be sent when the Emperor needed someone killed to make an example out of them, while Lion was sent when he wanted someone dead with no trace or knowledge of them left.
So Russ is more like the vindicare while Lion is more like the eversore
To answer DK’s question about biblically accurate angels number of wings. The Seraphim have 6 wings: 2 to fly, 2 to cover their feet, and 2 to cover their face. Since they are literally by hierarchy are closest to God in the kingdom of Heaven and are seen wreathed in fire hence their name the Burning Ones (Seraphim).
(This is off the top of my head.)
In one of the Dorn books Emps sent out Dorn, Lion, Fulgrim, and Horus to take over a sector of space. During a meeting Dorn calls out Lion for twisting Emps orders to essentially go on a murder spree and force subjugation and not allow worlds to surrender.
Captain Genocide
53:18 ah you missed the best part from prince of crows when the Lion ambushes the NL and wrecks Curze in 1v1, impales him
Tonite on ridiculous gear: Sky becomes just a little watcher to spy on the crew, DK becomes rejected by the lion which makes it the second time a big bearded man has rejected him and Bricky gets "convinced" to do an Lion episode after getting pounded by Azrael
Rather Azrael than Asmodai. I’d fist fight Azrael before entering a room with Asmodai
DK: Point him at a problem...
My filthy, filthy brain: If there's a problem, yo I'll solve it...
THE LION EPISODE IS REAL
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@@sorufa888 SO HIGHHHH
LION THE JOHNSON EPISODE REAL??!?!?
Leman Russ is the Emperor's Executioner. He's the one the Emperor sends after an enemy that he wants to make an example of. Russ will show up, set fire to a planet, kill all their leaders, and collect their heads, parading them around Terra and Fenris afterwards. The Emperor will then show videos like this to people he particularly doesn't like, then gesture to the buff, bearded Norseman next to him, grinning madly while meaningfully sharpening a bladed weapon next to him, and ask "Do you want to apologize yet?"
The Lion, meanwhile, is the Emperor's Delete Button. No flashy displays, no opulence, no last chances, he presses the button and the person, planet or species he doesn't like disappears, then no one is allowed to speak of it.
Since the watchers are very anti-chaos and the lion has 2 of them. Chances are they will give the Lion an edge.
Bugger it was Almost perfect and then mistaking watchers in the dark for dark angels. I guess this is the one freebie for every video ❤
Also imma add this as an extra info: the fallen defected the imperium but they did not align with horus(some did with chaos yes)
Seeing the Lion in that grandmaster armour makes it very hard to believe not a single of the greater daemons could tempt him. He looks like a fullblown Chaos Warrior.
Honesty, it most likely because he generally didn't need nor want anything, how can you tempt someone if they have everything they ever wanted? He was a monster yes, but that is most likely reason he could never fall, he has no honor for Khorn, he has no tricks for tzeentch, he takes no pleasure for slaanesh and he to strong willed to even try to give in to nurgle. There actually nothing Chaos could even offer him, like Big E, he just to much of a cunt to be tempted, he had everything he ever would want and his loyalty was to strong.
The lion figuring out where angron respawns and just popping welcome back nuke gifts on the spot is hillarious
FINALLY a new Primarch ep. So excited
I actually read the Horus Heresy books about the Dark Angels a small bit ago so this has great timing. They really did a great job of capturing the knight errant feeling of the quest to kill the beasts and making them feel super dangerous.
I like the fan theory that Lion El'Johnson has some level of autism, as someone who has dealt with a lot of autism in my family (younger brothers), there are certain patterns you learn to notice, the obsessive compulsions, the single-minded focus, he perfectionism, the problems of trust, the tendency of sometimes trusting people you shouldn't (perturabo xD)
Lion also is described as a guy who literally cant be standing alone doing nothing... he needs to do something or he gets restless and depressed... and that's one hell of an autistic problem xd
I like that too :)
Explains why I like him so much and why my Brother likes Space Wolves.
Honestly there are times that I relate to him the most
Missed opportunity for the title of Lion El'Johnson: A Family Company
what caught my attention was that the calaban had Power Armour and their horses are breed to handle this power armour.
It amuses me that so many of the pictures of the Lion show him with a sword with a winged skull on it. Kurze would be laughing even as he files a copyright strike.
Oy guys, would you kindly consider doing Corvus Corax and Ferus Manus? Would absolutely love to see videos for the both of them
They will probably do them eventually but Bricky is bias against Ferus.
@@Ghostface2252 big oof...
@@Ghostface2252Well , its easy to hate on Ferrus when his author ran him into the ground , but he is not a bad character. Bricky's bias is influenced by the popular memes and not completely justified.
@hamerhead2136 The Bricky lore master says he's boring but after their Rylanor episode, I don't tend to trust that opinion or a lot of them.
@@Ghostface2252 Its maybe boring to him because he is among the few that know his purpose. He is a conqueror for the Emperor , full stop. He does not question it , he does not disagree with the Emperor. The conflict in him is the whole thing about his hands and his sons distrusting the flesh even tho he never taught them that. And also he had the unfortunate place to die first , but it was potrayed that when even Ferrus , the primarch that mentored other primarchs like Vulkan on the art of war and whose sons are sent to conquer that deemed unconquerable , if he can die anyone can die. Im just sad that he doesnt have as much or as good books as some other primarchs.
I am absolutely loving all the random Jerma pictures in these videos Thank you Shy
I wish you talked a bit about some of the primarchs abilities that he has and, to a certain extent, has passed on to his sons. I think everyone knows he has epic reactionary combat instincts (almost like a 40k version of ultra instinct). But he also has an elite ability to suppress the warp around him to almost completely cloak himself. I forget which book but there was a meeting amongst all the primarch brothers and the lion was only noticed by any of them, sitting at the table, when he allowed the others to see him and sense him in the warp. Almost like he appeared out of nowhere... he (along with some of his sons) can also somehow bend light or at least manipulate whatever fields that are around them to almost blend in with a natural camouflage. This is why he is able to combat beings that can see the future. There are some other tidbits but I just can't remember which books these are from my bad
His combat instincts are why I call him a Tactician more so than a Strategist. Because Tactics are for short term/immediate battles.
His whole thing is that he can analyze, adjust, react, and come up with plans at a simple glance. He does it practically on instinct.
@Alex Yoblick I think his strategy in almost every situation is to exterminate everything as efficiently and as quickly as possible. If u need something saved for the future, you don't send the dark angels. They are sent to erase things from existence, including histories. It's why I'm sure it wasn't just the rangdan xenocides that depleted them so, but also the elimination of the 2nd and 11th legions and primarchs. It's funny, some people think when he went on an exterminatus run against the recruiting worlds of the traitor legions, that he was making a mistake. I see him just repeating what the emperor would have told him to do like he did before...purge those legions from existence. Where better to start than eliminating their homeworlds and recruiting grounds as he probably was told to do before. Breaking the traitors ability for reinforcement or a place to retreat forced them into the eye rather than giving them an ability to regroup and prolong the heresy. I imagine one of the points of contention the lion has had with guilliman is that the ultramarines were allowed to absorb some members of groups perhaps meant fpr complete censure...
As a passive Warhammer fan (no merch, just lore) I mainly love the Dark Angels because of their portrayal in TTS. That and the Fallen memes.
Its easy to think of the lion when you remember the space wolves are the emperors executioners, but the dark angels are his exterminators
I remember Bricky and DK teasing us about the Lion El'Johnson episode since the podcast started. I'm super happy to see the episode but it's kinda bitter sweet...
If you were to genderswap Lion El Johnson, you would get a Saberface.
Saw someone make a female Lion and, yeah, that's accurate.
I think it's interesting that the Lion's mini got the Emperor's Shield, while Guilleman got the sword.
It might symbolize the role they get to play in the coming years and the opposition to their old roles.
Guilleman instead of building outward in a slow methodical fashion wielding the power of spreadsheets, pushing out harder and more aggresive in the Indomitus Crusade.
Now with the Rise of Vashtor and a new Black Crusade looming, The Lion becomes less an exterminator but more of a Bulwark, the last Defender of Humanity.
I find it interesting how each primarch has an opposite primarch. Like, Dorn and Perturabo, one is cold and near unbreakable, and one is a little bitch. Russ and Angron, both savage, both hate magic, but one is loyal and honorable, the other will kill anyone no matter what. Curze and Sanguinius, both see the future, but one is dark and dreadful, the other is optimistic and noble. I'm not quite sure how the others match up, but still neat.
Mortarian and Ferrus Manus. One is indestructible through toughness, the other through technology.
Just acouple things to add- the bad blood and then burying the hatchet with leman Russ is a cool moment. With them now having a great deal of respect for each other unless the new scouring books change that. His fights with Konrad is cool because he has to mentally change his attacks right before he strikes so Konrad can’t use his foresight. Also his moments in late part of the Horus heresy where he kinda of becomes kinder and is seeking to reconcile with Luther really makes the betrayal hit alot more.