This must be one of the best “versus” videos I’ve seen on cameras. No “ultimate showdown” based on stats found online, but rather real world experiences that provide plenty of pros and cons to both cameras. The result is practical examples that viewers can easily process and make an informative choice when the time comes. Good job!
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I bought my Zenza Bronica SQai in 1992 and used it primarily for portraiture work with strobe lights and modifiers. It never failed me on any of my jobs. I even used it for shooting college basketball games. Unfortunately I was the victim of a burglary in April of 1993. I Lost the camera, prizm finder, extra 120 and 220 backs, a polaroid back and two lenses, 80mm f2.8 and 150mm f3.5. I didn't replace it right away. I wish I still had that camera. It really was a great kit. I've blown up images from that camera up to 16x20 and they were SHARP as a TACK!
@@SteveONions I've used the 500 and 501 CM cameras for a few years before I bought the Bronica. I didn't see any difference at all in the quality. However, I enjoyed some of the extra features of the Bronica that the Hassleblad did not give me.
Its not 6x6 and far from lightweight but I would probably go for a Mamiya RB67 or maybe the newer RZ67 today. Had a RB67 over 10y ago and kinda miss it sometimes.
With you 100%. I shot fashion for catalogues such as Gratton and a bit of Conde Nast back in the day - I had 2 RZ's with 5- or 6 lenses including the might 500 APO - the image quality is far superior to both Bronica which I had 1st and Hass which I had later - the revolving back is a legendary move - however I would say that I also then went slightly nuts and moved up tot he Fuji GX680III however this was bad move - whilst its made of some unearthly lightweight material it is just too big to use handheld which you can just about do with the other three - and even then on a tripod it was unwieldy and then once you start adding lenses into the mix - but I relented all of that now and gone back to Hass H6 100c on digi which it kills me to say is better than any of them - just maybe out of interest - one of my GX680III's is now on permanent display as an unused example with every single lens they produced and every accessory (some experimental which even the modern Fujiists' didn't know they, or I come to that matter, I had) at The House Of Fuji in Covent Garden London upstairs in their Heritage Dept and, just for clarity, I was a Fuji Ambassador for a while - giving Fuji lectures on their circuit.....but.....Hass....... But hey ho If I had to choose between Bron and Hass - I would say Bron is the little known cousin of 6x6 with quirky and adorable features and Hass is the favorite child, solid reliable and dependable whereas I would actually go for the Rollei SLX because it is the sweet little sister of the 6x6 family which be can also be used left or right handed and it is a joyous thing and I wished I still had mine!!!!!! Stay safe all
RB67 -- the system camera and weight bench all in one! Seriously, it's a system camera beyond anything else. I've got lenses from 50mm to 250mm (though not all of them) and there's at least one longer one available, as well as the 37mm fisheye (which I don't have). I've got three viewfinders. I can shoot 6x7, 6x6 (with a third party roll film holder -- a Graflex 22), 6x4.5, and 35mm Xpan format (including sprockets, if I choose not to crop them off). Spend a little more, and I can put a 2x3 Grafmatic on it and shoot sheet film. Or an Instax back, and get instant prints (or a peel-apart Polaroid back, but that film is down to whatever expired stock you're willing to overpay ten times for). It is hand holdable (I bought the left hand grip with release trigger for that, as well as a good strap), albeit much heavier than either Hasselblad or Bronica (but then it's effectively a 7.5x8 cm SLR). And best of all (at least in my opinion), the only part of the system that needs a battery is the meter in the chimney finder; the rest is 100% mechanical.
I bought an RB when they first came out., used it in the studio for 32 years and it still works great! Got a Pro S from KEH because the price was right. I bought a 500C/M and a bunch of lenses a number of years ago and still reach for the RB.
The Mamiya RB is a great camera, solid and reliable but very heavy, more so than my 4x5 and the biggest reason I sold mine. As a side note I also owned the RZ but found this not to be reliable with a film advance lever that slipped.
Interesting comment in The Ansel Adams Guide, vol I that 6x6 seems like only 1 cm smaller than a 67. But if you want to print 8x10, 11x14 or 16x20, you need to crop 1.5 cm off top and bottom resulting in a 45% smaller negative than 67. Now I develop, scan, print and custom mat so square works for my primary genre, portraiture. But for walkabouts, I carry Steve's recommendation of a tlr, a Yashica mat 124. Super light weight and can be carried all day. For street, I shoot 50 mm in ff 35mm cameras so I get this large neg.
Don’t forget Steve, the Bronica was created by Zenzaburo Yoshino as a response to the disappointingly unreliable HASSELBLAD 1000F. I use a Hasselblad 500 series model, a Rolleiflex 3.5f and a Fuji GL690.
Back in the Day - The Bronica ETR was a favourite among event/wedding photogs. Although not quite as relabel or rugged the Bronica is more hi-tech than the Blad.
I've just switched from the Rolleiflex SL66 to the Bronica SQ. I love this camera and lenses and I prefer the electronic shutter. Ok.. They are not Zeiss lenses, but the Pros are much more than the Cons.
For total indulgence in a heavyweight system you can't get past the Rolleiflex SL66. Totally over engineered but way, way better than a Hassy. The best thing tho is the SL66 is relatively unknown, it's expensive enough as it is but the images and capability of the camera are second to none (IMO)... one of the perks shooting the SL66 is when passers by comment 'Is that a Hasselblad?' I genuinely rejoice in replying 'no, it's better..' Great review BTW.
I always liked the idea of the Rollei until a friend of mine bought one and had a lot of problems with it. He was also less impressed with the wideangle lenses so eventually sold it for a Hasselbald. Had it worked out well for him I may have bought one.
I’m late to this video, but I thought you should know that your the reason I bought my Bronica! Went hiking with my metal Mamiya 645 and after the first day I realized I need a lighter camera. Sold it while I was away still and bought an SQ-A in a bundle for $600. Really, really love the camera and the backs. They sure are a little hard to get with the accessories though
I had an SQ-A with 3 PS lenses, it was so good.. sharp and contrasty lenses, lightweight, flash sync up to 1/500, a perfect camera. Now I switched to GS-1, bought myself a 6x6 and 6x7 backs, great system as well, very universal, little bit bigger and heavier, but not much. I am a huge fan of Bronica cameras and good news is, they still are quite inexpensive compared to other brands delivering same, or usually better image quality. And all those stereotypes about reliability issues are not true at all, those are workhorses.
I’ve never tried a GS-1 but they were definitely a bargain a few years ago. I’m very happy with the quality of Bronica equipment, well made and some thoughtful design features.
Thanks for this Steve, your videos are always fantastic. Don't ever stop! :) I have a Bronica SQ-A with 50, 80 and 150, and watched this video a lot before buying the a Hasselblad 503cx with 50, 80, 150 this summer. After using the Hasselblad for a while I honestly find the Bronica SQ-A to be the better system of the two. The Bronica SQ-A has electronically controlled shutters that are always spot on (whereas the lenses on my Hassy varies...), never jams, has a double exposure function built in, can switch viewfinders without having to take off back, and for me is WAY easier to focus due to the for me way better matte screen on my SQ-A compared to the one I got with my 503cx. The only thing I can say the Hasselblad is better at is that the shutter sound of the Hasselblad sounds like butter compared to the slightly high pitched and annoying sound of the SQ-A. But really, for me, that's the biggest (and possible only) advantage of the Hasselblad 503cx over the Bronica SQ-A system. Sorry for the wall of text. This probably isn't of any value to you Steve, but perhaps it might be of help to others considering both system :-)
Glad you tried the Hasselblad Matthias, it is surprising how close they are in real world capabilities. There’s such a difference in price that the Bronica is a really good option for a 6x6 system camera.
Steve, When I was in my City College days in San Francisco back in 1977 that I got a Bronica S2A with the 75mm 2.8 Nikkor P, and the Nikkor 105mm Shutter/Lens but with the lens the closest that I got with the 105mm was 2 feet, but at least it sync with all speeds when using flash, as for the 75mm Nikkor in which that was my go to lens at the time when I use it during my Grad School days, as it was my shooting lens to shoot street photo, and also when I took it to Yosemite in the snow as the results were sharp, and contrasty. But it gather inside the Camera Bag as when I look at it that I decided to find more lenses for my baby so I obtain the following: The 50mm 3.5 Nikkor, and the 135mm 3.5 Nikkor, and a Chimney focusing hood also for the Bronica S2A, as I tested both lenses in shooting landscaping, that I found the 50mm was sharper at 3.5 and the 135mm very much sharper than the 105mm as the 105mm was sharp in the center, but soft at the edges. When I got the both lenses that the seller also threw in a extra goodie, a Polaroid back for the S2A, but with what? Fuji kill their FP100, and FP3000, and I pleaded with Polaroid to bring back Peel apart film. Now i am hoping that someone creates a Fuji Instax back for the Bronica, and Hasselblad, and Mamiya & Graflex XL Press cameras.
Easy, if you're a snob, get the Hasselblad. If you only care for getting great pictures, the Bronica does the job perfectly. The Zenzanon PS lenses are fully the equivalent of the Zeiss lenses (this was proven in magazine tests back in the day). The system is more advanced and more ergonomic. The sibling Bronica ETR system is also an amazing camera system, with killer Zenzanon -PE lenses.
I have no quibbles about the Bronica lens lineup apart from the 50mm which isn’t as good as the later Zeiss models. The issue I’m finding is that repairs are more difficult (and expensive) with electronic film cameras.
@@SteveONions a bronica SQ is a simple camera inside. The electronic Seiko shutters on the lenses are simpler than the mechanical Compur shutters on Hassy lenses. Source of this claim: I'm a camera tech.
Ouch, selling your Hassey... but the Bronica is no slouch in the hands of an artist. Really enjoyed the analysis Steve and doubt you’d ever get better images. Old cliche applies again, it’s the photographer not the equipment.
I had both Hasselblad ELM500 and Bronica ETRSi - after few years of use, I sold Hasselblad, because I much more frequently take the Bronica. Hasselblad Zeiss lenses are different, but we can not say obviously better than Bronica - depends on what are you shooting for and what lens you choose. Bronica body is just better to use.
Hasselblad prices have gone $$$tratospheric of late. Nice Bronica SQa(i) can still be had for a about a third of the price Hassy. I'm a practical guy: I drive a 20 year old VW - guess which one I'm buying.
My opinion: Bronica and Hasselblad are like Nissan and Jaguar cars. If you want a reliable, economical car, Bronica, and if you want status, Hasselblad.
Missing using my Hassie as I am still waiting on my house to be finished due to pandemic delays; no running water etc. in my friend's cabin, so not shooting film until I can process it. Great review, and either system will serve one's needs admirably. My 500 C and 80mm were a gift from a dear friend, his father's equipment. I have added a prism finder, 50mm, 150mm, and 250mm to the kit all for around $600 with some patience and scrounging ebay for deals over the last two years. I feel very blessed indeed! Cheers!
Rollei SLX for me - you can use it one handed and left or right handed - magazines are lighter and much smaller too -Rechargeable battery change is on the side of the camera and you can keep them in your pockets which also keeps them warm!!
Bronica had two lens series for the SQ's the S and PS; the S series were marginal at best, the PS were much better. I've owned both systems and in my view even the PS lenses can't hold a candle to the Hasselblad Zeiss lenses.
Very valid points about both systems. For me personally, it's the Hasselblad. What sold me was the sharpness of the lenses. I can remember the amazement I had when looking at the first roll of film I used in the 500C/80MM C lens back in the day. I've now moved up to the 503CX and all my lenses are now CF and still the same quality that I loved back when I started. I wish they'd come out with some sort of 500 series anniversary film camera...I'm sure it would sell out in no time.
I also loved the lenses and never worried about optimal apertures etc - they were all good. The Bronica is the same apart from the 50mm which is not a good as the Zeiss.
The last two generations of Zenzanon lenses were exceptionally sharp. It's only the earliest lenses they released that had some issues, and even then it was only reserved to a couple focal lengths. Most of the bronica lenses were made in Japan by the same factories that contracted for Zeiss, they were phenomenal once they got past the first generation.
I bought my Bronica SQ from Japan with the 80mm and 50mm lens, and a prism view finder. Bought a second film back, 150mm lens, and a waist level. Totally in love with that camera. So much so, I have an S2A on it way. Should be here today or tomorrow. Having a hard time waiting. For the price, I think I'll pick up an ETRS, in some from or other. Great video. Thanks.
Fantastic comparison Steve. I picked up a Hassleblad about four years ago along with an 80mm, extra back, prism viewfinder and a tele converter. It's a great camera and I think it may be a tad older than I am!
Thank you for this great comparison! I almost went with a Bronica after watching your videos, and I was itching to know your opinion on the Hasselblad. I am currently using a 500 C/M from 1980 and very happy with it. All the points you made are absolutely spot on especially the one to do with the cable release interfering with the lenses
I own a Bronica EC which predates the SQA and has a focal plane shutter a opposed to the leaf shutter in the 501 and SQA. Only cost me 250 quid to import it with a 75mm nikkor (including royal mail's fee). Its in need of a service, but otherwise it's in excellent condition for 50 years old. The lenses for the s2/EC are very reasonably priced and the S2A is fully mechanical (and reliable) so would be my choice should my EC die. IRC the original Bronica was born out a love for Hasselblad and it's designers desire to perfect the 'blad.
I happened to get the Rolleiflex SL66 - A pretty good system with 80mm, 150mm and 250mm lenses just happened across my path while I was just thinking about getting into medium format. I absolutely love it, and the images have been great so far. I've supplemented it with a 50mm lens, and I'll get one or two extra backs and a prism viewfinder when I can afford it.
I still love your videos. Great again. Thank you for your honest point of view. I got this weekend a Mamiya 645 with 2 lenses from my wife (for my 2x20th birthday 😉) so I will use that set the next time. (But I have also my beloved 6x6 TLRs)...and the hasselblad is like the Leica out of (financial) range. Stay safe and go on as good as always 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
With the Hasselblad you really have to get the top-tier lenses to get your value for the extra money. Back in the day I could only afford the 4/50 mm CT* and always had to stop it down to f11 to get sharp corners as its focal plane isnt flat enough. On the long end the 5.6/250mm CT* wasn't the highest resolving one could wish for and really not much to write home about. The system gave me good service but In the end I sold it after I had two A12 magazines lock up on me when on location. They had recently been serviced by a recommended repairer. In 15 years about every part of my Hassi-Kit needed service and this was one problem too much for me. In todays market where prices for Hasselblad have again risen to next to absurd levels, especially for the really good lenses (40 FLE, 50 FLE, 60, 100, 120, 180. 250 SA is still a bit of a sleeper) and bodies I would not put my money there again unless I wanted the prestige instead of a photographic tool.
I also found the 250mm to be quite an average performer and preferred to use a x2 converter on my 150mm. The 50mm CF/ FLE was excellent and better than the equivalent Bronica.
There is an unfortunate thing that happens in many endeavors. Photography is definitely one of them. That unfortunate thing is collectors. (It's not unfortunate for the collectors because it makes them happy.) They pay a boatload of cash for certain nice cameras then they put them in glass cases that they dust every two months. There is nothing wrong with loving something simply for its external beauty but there is a side effect for those who want to use these things as tools. As an example, the Canon 1V is very expensive. The Canon 1N is a fraction of the price. But the difference in capability is miniscule. The 1V has a collector's premium on it. There are a few cameras that have a collector's premium that I bought anyway because I really like the camera. Examples are my Rolleiflex TLR and my Nikon F5 which are somewhat inflated. I did not get the Rolleiflex f2.8 because it has a very large collector's premium or the Nikon F6 which is also a lot more than the F5. I have three Canon 1N HS cameras, but I will probably never buy a Canon 1V. For the same reason, I might buy a Bronica, but a Hassleblad is very unlikely. While I do love my Rolleiflex, it is not my favorite TLR, which is my Mamiya C3. The bellows makes it possible to do special close-up images. I too, appreciate the beauty of a special instrument. But being a cheapskate, I am not willing to pay a lot for them.
I know how you feel, the cost of cameras is in no way directly linked to their usefulness or even quality. The Bronica systems are very capable but come in at less than 25% that of an equivalent Hasselblad and from experience the two are roughly equivalent. Same for overhyped 35mm cameras, you’d be hard pushed to tell the difference between a £100 and £1000 model but some have achieved cult status. When it comes to TLR’s I’d also like Rolleiflex but I doubt the performance would justify the extra cost versus my Autocord.
I like very much the Bronica. But..In landscape the important is sharpness, but in portraits it's different. The Planar is a masterpiece and I cannot live without it. I would like the Zeiss lenses on the Bronica Camera for the electronic shutter, the priority mode, etc. etc.
Definitely go to Newton Ellis, they recently fixed one of my SQA-I bodies that had an occasional misfire. I spent half an hour discussing the fix with them and it’s clear that they really understand the camera (and all the other ones I send them).
Hi Steve. I don’t know much about Bronica but I recently inherited a Hasselblad 203FE with a Zeiss 80mm f2.8 planar lens. Never owned or operated one of these type of cameras before and I am loving the challenge. The equipment is a joy to own, so well made and fascinating to learn about. I think I would like to do a hybrid approach shooting in B&W, process at home in a Jobo tank then scan and print with my Epson gear. Need to get a good spot meter like yours. My other pride and joy is a Leica M10-P which I love also even though it is digital. Cheers
I prefer a rectangular format and so landed on a Mamiya M645 1000s and a couple lenses. For me it was a choice between the Mamiya and a Bronica Etrsi. This model Bronica has every feature of the Mamiya plus interchangeable backs. I don't need the interchangeable back and prefered the fit and finish of the Mamiya. Also, I am stoked with the Mamiya 55mm 2.8 which is the lens that lives on my camera 95 percent of the time. I am sure i would have loved the Bronica had i opted for it. It's all largely subjective. Any of these cameras will give professional quality results and any should prove reliable. Decide first whether you like square or rectangular. Then look at features and lenses. And cost.
I had a very similar conversation with myself a couple of years ago and decided to go down the Bronica ETRS road. The main over riding points that swayed my decision was overall weight, the fact I never print larger than 12 X 16 or 11 X 14 paper and the price of equipment, just taking photographs for myself could I justify spending four or five times the amount, more to the point could I afford to and the answer was no to both questions.
Great video, I've had Hasselblads for 48 years still have an old 40mm from NE&Co from purchased 30 years ago now its sat around as a paper weight had to replace it a few years ago for a CF FLE. so i can use it on a X1D with the adapter and the older lenses witch are fantastic with digital.
Excellent review for my decision making… I have the opportunity between the SQAi and the GS1… bc of funds I’m way out of reach for the hassleblad as you gave mention… Cheers 👍
I couldn’t cope with the numerous problems they seem to suffer Terry, I believe the batteries are also a big issue. Similar story with the SL66, just too fragile.
I just had a ETRSi back broken and repaired. Indeed a week point. Fantastic tools otherwise, these Bronica's! Lovely video! I enjoy watching and learning from your work. Many thanks.
I'm a Bronica man and have been since 1983, when I started using an ETRS professionally. I'll be honest: I've never encountered the faults you're outlining. Not ever. Any problems I had were user related - like not making sure the backs were properly secured. The P Series wide angles corrected the problems with the wide angles. They're just not there any more. I've used a 'Blad and I couldn't really understand what the fuss was about. I think it's true that - at the time - the 'Blad lenses were probably better but Zenzanon caught them up and the differences between the two brands because almost non existent. I'm currently suffering with a Mamiya RB67. Great camera but just too complicated to be enjoyable. I might as well be using 5x4, which I don't really want to do. So I'm going back to Bronica but this time it's going to be an SQ-A or SQ-B. I think whatever you said about the Hasselblad, the really telling thing was that you said you're staying with the Bronica and I don't blame you.
I have Hasselblad 503 CW with 180mm and 80mm but I need a 50mm lens and digital back and PME45 with spotmeter. I'm looking for the latest version of the 50mm. I have a Fuji GW 690 III and Mamiya 7ii with 4 lenses. I also have a Nikon LS9000 scanner.
Picked up a Mamiya RB67 "kit" of several lens and a body for about $400. It was a beast but the rotating 6x7 back made it worth every penny. Have owned Leica, 'Blad, and even a Bronica. Always regretted selling them.
I bought a Bronica ETR-S kit brand new wish I had bought a prism and a speed grip as portraits were a struggle. I should have bought a Hasselblad 500cm like my boss. Much later in life I got given for my 40th birthday a Bronica S2A with a 80mm f2.4 zenzanon, absolutely loved that camera looked like a Hasselblad but unfortunately without leaf shutters.
A great video Steve. I absolutely loved the Hasselblad 500CM with its amazing resolving power, but felt it somewhat cumbesome & restricting when used in such a large underwater housing along with being limited to a 6x6 format 120 - 12 exposure film back. I was so use to COMEX giving me 35mm cameras and housings with 36 exposure film for their offshore CVI and UVI Mag particle inspection photography.
Team Bronica. But I prefer the S2a, all manual, built like a tank and very lovely lenses. :) And the shutter sound easily establishes my dominance over any other photographer...
Love the videos. Can you do a video about what decision goes into which size format to use (large/medium/35mm etc.)? Why are larger formats better and is it worth it? Or why medium format is better than 35mm for example?
Oooh, tricky one. Even I’m not sure why I chose a particular format most times. If it’s a long walk I go with the lightest camera, other than that it depends how I’m feeling.
Around 2001-2 I was doing a lot of Mountaineering and lugging a C330 around. Popped into Cambrian to buy a used 'Blad' The salesman knew his stuff and held Blads in very high esteem. After a very long discussion, he advised I would be better off with an ETRSi system. He never made a sale that day, but his knowledgeable and honest advice got a future repeat customer. Great vlog Steve, or should that be, a knowledgeable and honest vlog 😃 Cheers Diz
Have a question about the 150mm F4 PS lenses. After I cocked the shutter, when I looked through the Lens, I could see the shutter blades are only halfway open. But the shutter blades would opened fully and closed when I pressed the shutter release. Is this normal? I thought the shutter blades would opened all the way to let as much light into the viewfinder.
Hasselblads frighten me. When you press the shutter button, the camera has to: close the shutter, lift the mirror, open the barn doors, close the diaphragm to the selected f stop, and activate the shutter. When you wind, the the actions include advancing the film, closing the barn doors, dropping the mirror, opening the diaphragm and cocking/reopening the shutter. All done with gears, levers, cams, and springs. Given wear, hardened lubricants and general abuse, it’s a wonder that they work. A testament to the craftsmanship and materials selection of the makers.
Put like that it is a wonder that they ever work James! They obviously refined the mechanism over the years after a bad start with the 1600F and later 1000F, both having issues.
About 6 months ago I wanted to get into medium format SLR. I looked and found, of all of them, I could stretch and afford a Bronica SQ. I got one with one film back, a 50mm and a 80mm lens, and the eye level view finder. I paid, like $600. You can see my unboxing video. I have since got a waist level view finder, a 150mm lens, and another film back. I so love that camera and bought a hard case to keep her safe. Her name is Veronica, by the way. Veronica the Bronica. Ya, I got a hell-of-a-lot of camera, for a fraction of the Hasselblad price. It's kind of funny. I shoot Canon "A" series 35mm cameras, and they both take the same battery! Well, I find it funny, anyway. Great video and thanks.
Still lots of support for Hasselblad. Repair and parts still available plus plenty of lenses and other items. I prefer a fully manual camera no electronics. So Hasselblad for me :)
Great comparison Steve, with focus in the areas that matter to photographers. I've been a medium format shooter for a few years now and bought an SQA a few months ago. It's a terrific camera. 6x6 is a joy to shoot and by far my preference now. Keep up the great work with your YT posts. I've enjoyed watching them for quite a while. Cheers
Great content Steve, have the Rolleiflex Sl66, which i like. The lens can be turned back to front for macro photography which is another unique feature as well as the built in lens tilt.
Great video Steve, as usual. I concur with you on the 50mm FLE lens on the Hasselblad system. It's a wonderful lens. I do find the Acute Matte-D screen that while extremely bright, it's not very contrasty - it's difficult to tell the in and out of focus transitions. I replaced mine with a custom Maxwell screen, which is terrific.
Film photography is booming, I just checked the website of my film photography gear shop and there were three Hasselblad 500C marked as sold. No more Bronica bodies.
Same for me Henk. When I got the SQA-I 6 years ago I had my pick from the dealers sites. A couple of years later there were none to be found. Wish I’d also kept hold of my Mamiya 645 outfit too 🙁
Thanks a lot! Very clear and fair. In the 70's I could use a Hasseblad for 6 weeks. Being a student and it being summer, so lots of time to go out, I used it a lot. For about 10 days. After the initial bliss, the bulk and weight started to count. Most important, at my level of photography I didn't see much difference in image quality, compared to my Nikon 35mm. I am sure that technically and optically the Hasseblad is the top. But I would have to pay a very high price for an excellence that my skills are too limited for. Hasseblads should be awarded to young promising photographers and bought by people with a fat wallet that carry them, but hardly use them. For medium format, I am very happy with my light and simple Rolleiflex 3.5 F and smaller Bronica ETSRi. For the latter, accessories such as filters are much more affordable.
It’s a fair point Robert and I also enjoy 35mm cameras which can deliver excellent quality. I find the 6x6 system cameras to be perfect when working from a tripod in the landscape but for everyday use a TLR is nicer to carry.
As an owner of Hasselblad one thing to mention. With the lenses you need special filters if you use ones or look for dome sort of adapters. Not a big deal, but at time it bothers me.
Super interesting. I have a full Bronica kit and always wondered what I was missing out on. The bronica is also relatively light, good for long hikes and its easily replaced if damaged.
Nice comparison. I've never owned or used the Bronica SQA, but I do have a 503CW. I only ever shoot with the prism finder, so have no issues with unnecessary film back removal. It's a great camera and a pleasure to use as you know, but if I was forced to choose between it or my Mamiya 6 and its 3 perfect lenses, it would be the Mamiya!
Hassy 500 C/M user here. Biggest con of the Hassy from my experience: that the lens is jammed and can't be detached from the camera. It happens to every user at least once! If you don't have the needed tool with you, the camera is useless and won't take any photo after the issue occurred. The mechanical feature to cock the lens mechanism can be a pain. Always have a penny with you for this reason to rotate it manually if needed! Too many things can go wrong here. Main design debit of this camera. The dark slide has two positions how it can be inserted - both ways protect the film but only one way of inserting avoids the dark slide handle to be protruding. I also find it hard to get to insert the dark slide fast into the cartridge when attached to the camera. My Mamiya RZ67 Pro is better in this regard when it comes to the cartridge stuff even I otherwise prefer the Hassy. Hasselblad lenses are fantastic even the bokeh circle is often an octagon due to the low number of aperture blades of the V lenses.
I was lucky never to suffer the dreaded jam Martin but I was extra careful when mounting and dismounting lenses. I used to carry a spare 500 C/M body on trips just in case. No such problems with the Bronica, it’s a foolproof mount.
@@SteveONions I have an ETRS which I acquired after a BBC photographer told not to get an Hasselblad... and get an SQ-A or an ETRS instead.... I don't know if it makes look less cool than one of those west London bitches flaunting off red dots or chrome/ black leather casings but Im happy with what I got what and what I think is remarkable is that a lot of people talk about photography without knowing the difference between Studium and Punctum... but they know how many elements how many elements are in a Planar :)
I had Bronica EC and Bronica SQA for quite some time. I can say for sure Bronica did it wrong limiting the SQA system to only Bronica lenses. They should've stick to a strategy they have followed with EC/S2: to build great camera bodies and pair them to the best optics such as NIKKOR. And who knows we might still have Bronica company be alive today. The bottom line, Hassy's Carl Zeiss lenses are far better than Bronica SQ lenses. Once you'll try it yourself you will know it for sure. I also had Rolleiflex SL66... I'd say it is one of a kind, unique, 6x6 film camera out there. It also has CZ (Rollei) lenses and it is capable to produce photos Hassy and Bronica can't do. it's a bit bulkier than Hassy or Bronica SQ and it is also more complicated inside but if I will ever have a chance and resources I definitely will buy one again in mint condition. *My advice when you're going to buy a used film camera: ask a seller to show you at least two uncut developed rolls of film. It will show you 99% of issues the camera has!*
I’ve not found the Bronica lenses to be any worse than the Hasselblad’s Sergey. My friend had the SL66 and found those lenses inferior to the Zeiss optics on his 503.
@@SteveONions First of all, I do respect what you do Steve. From my experience, mostly portraits. Meaning an aperture is around from F2.8 to F5.6. CZ lens 80/2,8 has more pleasing "Zeiss grade" rendering and out focus fall off. My 80mm prime for SL66 was the latest Rollei HFT lens. I believe it is just the same as Hassy 503 CZ planar except leave shutter. I couldn't be any happier - it produces a soft image with lots of micro-contrast and sharpness!
also, with a bronica, as they are electronic, check this, by shooting at 1/2 or 1/4 second, you MUST hear TWO clicks, the second is softer!, but if the battery is dead, or the electronics the system resets to a mechanical 1/500th default setting, and this can be hard to catch, esp. if you shoot at faster speeds. ( also if the metered prism mode knob is not set propperly ( these have a center button, if this is not out fully, it can run unreliably into and out of mech. default)).
I’m an expert on the little noises my Bronica (should) make now Andy. I’ve had a few issues with lenses and the electronics on the SQ-Ai and now listen very carefully when I’m shooting 🙂
@@SteveONions good to hear, I just made this point for other's who watch this video, as these bronica's are different to Hasselblads, Rolleiflexes, and Mamiya's in this regard, and like Jonathon at the "worldwide camera exchange" youtube channel, just informing the public what to watch when considering purchasing them, as you didn't mention this aspect in the video, just the battery part of it, and unlike a dslr, the camera just doesn't STOP dead, it does this quirk, which you need to know, it will work regardless if the battery is good, or not; the more you are aware, it saves people getting discouraged by this issue, it is NOT them, if the film doesn't turn out, it is a camera fault, thus keeping people shooting film!!
What about the Zenza Bronica S2 with a few Nikkor lenses and a couple off backs? I like the look of them for when I move up from my Zeiss, Agfa's and Kodak folding medium format cameras.
@@SteveONions yea older could mean more problems and then availability of parts taking into account the price seems to be going up, probably 30% over the past year in saying that all film cameras seem to be going up in price. But saying age might be a problem my Zeiss and Agfa's are the guts of 70 year old now and still going well and I don't mind tinkering around with them. Thanks for the input.
“You fee 10 feet tall when shooting one” the exact same can be said for shooting a rolleiflex. There is nothing like shooting classic cameras! People are fascinated by them, and you feel like a celebrity shooting one. I’m often in the middle of Manhattan shooting, and I nearly draw a crowd when I pull out the Rollei! Wish I had known that when I was single! 😂😂😂
great video, one other plus for bronica, they have a shutter lock, which locks ALL release options, the grip, the cable socket, and the button, so whatever configuration you choose, NO need to have the darkslide inserted to stop any in-advertent shutter release in-bag, or while handling it; another plus, the cable socket is on the side, so while using, no fingers can get in front of the lens!; also this means a 'self-timer' clock work release can fit, without jamming fingers into the lens.
My two SQ-Ai bodies will fire on the cable release regardless of the lock button setting. It’s never a problem though as the release is only screwed in when I’m ready to shoot 👍
@@SteveONions good point to be aware of, I just got an ETRSI, and this is the case for that model, was not aware the sq-ai 's were diferent in this way.
I keep thinking of a medium format camera but I keep coming against bronica 645 or mamiya 645 going through my head, what are you're thoughts. Thank you
Well I’ve owned a few Mamiya 645’s Simon, never the Bronica. It’s a good format and smaller/lighter. If the prices weren’t so silly I’d get another Mamiya 645 as the lenses are a lot smaller and lighter.
What is that fallacy of logic where you leave out the obvious correct choice and give two looser alternatives? bkspicture has it right: the choice between Hasselblad and Bronica is the Mamiya RB67.
The RB67 is much heavier and larger than the 6x6 cameras; lenses are huge for the RB67. While 6x7 is a beautiful format, it's not very portable compared to 6x6.
This must be one of the best “versus” videos I’ve seen on cameras. No “ultimate showdown” based on stats found online, but rather real world experiences that provide plenty of pros and cons to both cameras. The result is practical examples that viewers can easily process and make an informative choice when the time comes. Good job!
Thank you 😊
Step 1. Like this video
Step 2. Close RUclips
Step 3. Open eBay
Step 4. Think up credible explanation for the wife as to why you’re buying a Hasselblad
Step 5. Buy nothing, close eBay and cry
Step 5. Divorce or buy her a new car.
And repeat the cycle again and again 😊
@@SteveONions LOL. How very true.
I bought my Zenza Bronica SQai in 1992 and used it primarily for portraiture work with strobe lights and modifiers. It never failed me on any of my jobs. I even used it for shooting college basketball games. Unfortunately I was the victim of a burglary in April of 1993. I Lost the camera, prizm finder, extra 120 and 220 backs, a polaroid back and two lenses, 80mm f2.8 and 150mm f3.5. I didn't replace it right away. I wish I still had that camera. It really was a great kit. I've blown up images from that camera up to 16x20 and they were SHARP as a TACK!
I've really enjoyed using the SQai Rick, it's easily a match for the 500 series Hasselblads despite the difference in cost.
@@SteveONions I've used the 500 and 501 CM cameras for a few years before I bought the Bronica. I didn't see any difference at all in the quality. However, I enjoyed some of the extra features of the Bronica that the Hassleblad did not give me.
Its not 6x6 and far from lightweight but I would probably go for a Mamiya RB67 or maybe the newer RZ67 today.
Had a RB67 over 10y ago and kinda miss it sometimes.
With you 100%. I shot fashion for catalogues such as Gratton and a bit of Conde Nast back in the day - I had 2 RZ's with 5- or 6 lenses including the might 500 APO - the image quality is far superior to both Bronica which I had 1st and Hass which I had later - the revolving back is a legendary move - however I would say that I also then went slightly nuts and moved up tot he Fuji GX680III however this was bad move - whilst its made of some unearthly lightweight material it is just too big to use handheld which you can just about do with the other three - and even then on a tripod it was unwieldy and then once you start adding lenses into the mix - but I relented all of that now and gone back to Hass H6 100c on digi which it kills me to say is better than any of them - just maybe out of interest - one of my GX680III's is now on permanent display as an unused example with every single lens they produced and every accessory (some experimental which even the modern Fujiists' didn't know they, or I come to that matter, I had) at The House Of Fuji in Covent Garden London upstairs in their Heritage Dept and, just for clarity, I was a Fuji Ambassador for a while - giving Fuji lectures on their circuit.....but.....Hass....... But hey ho If I had to choose between Bron and Hass - I would say Bron is the little known cousin of 6x6 with quirky and adorable features and Hass is the favorite child, solid reliable and dependable whereas I would actually go for the Rollei SLX because it is the sweet little sister of the 6x6 family which be can also be used left or right handed and it is a joyous thing and I wished I still had mine!!!!!!
Stay safe all
RB67 -- the system camera and weight bench all in one! Seriously, it's a system camera beyond anything else. I've got lenses from 50mm to 250mm (though not all of them) and there's at least one longer one available, as well as the 37mm fisheye (which I don't have). I've got three viewfinders. I can shoot 6x7, 6x6 (with a third party roll film holder -- a Graflex 22), 6x4.5, and 35mm Xpan format (including sprockets, if I choose not to crop them off). Spend a little more, and I can put a 2x3 Grafmatic on it and shoot sheet film. Or an Instax back, and get instant prints (or a peel-apart Polaroid back, but that film is down to whatever expired stock you're willing to overpay ten times for). It is hand holdable (I bought the left hand grip with release trigger for that, as well as a good strap), albeit much heavier than either Hasselblad or Bronica (but then it's effectively a 7.5x8 cm SLR). And best of all (at least in my opinion), the only part of the system that needs a battery is the meter in the chimney finder; the rest is 100% mechanical.
I bought an RB when they first came out., used it in the studio for 32 years and it still works great! Got a Pro S from KEH because the price was right. I bought a 500C/M and a bunch of lenses a number of years ago and still reach for the RB.
The Mamiya RB is a great camera, solid and reliable but very heavy, more so than my 4x5 and the biggest reason I sold mine. As a side note I also owned the RZ but found this not to be reliable with a film advance lever that slipped.
Interesting comment in The Ansel Adams Guide, vol I that 6x6 seems like only 1 cm smaller than a 67. But if you want to print 8x10, 11x14 or 16x20, you need to crop 1.5 cm off top and bottom resulting in a 45% smaller negative than 67. Now I develop, scan, print and custom mat so square works for my primary genre, portraiture. But for walkabouts, I carry Steve's recommendation of a tlr, a Yashica mat 124. Super light weight and can be carried all day. For street, I shoot 50 mm in ff 35mm cameras so I get this large neg.
Excellent balanced review Steve. Well done, happy with my old 500c, and my Rollie TLR 3.5. Both excellent with 120 B&W Film.
Don’t forget Steve, the Bronica was created by Zenzaburo Yoshino as a response to the disappointingly unreliable HASSELBLAD 1000F. I use a Hasselblad 500 series model, a Rolleiflex 3.5f and a Fuji GL690.
I bought my 500 C/M over four decades ago and it still works fine.
I love my Bronica SQA. My favourite camera in my collection ♥
Back in the Day - The Bronica ETR was a favourite among event/wedding photogs.
Although not quite as relabel or rugged the Bronica is more hi-tech than the Blad.
Bronica SQ-Ai !!!!
I've just switched from the Rolleiflex SL66 to the Bronica SQ. I love this camera and lenses and I prefer the electronic shutter. Ok.. They are not Zeiss lenses, but the Pros are much more than the Cons.
For total indulgence in a heavyweight system you can't get past the Rolleiflex SL66. Totally over engineered but way, way better than a Hassy. The best thing tho is the SL66 is relatively unknown, it's expensive enough as it is but the images and capability of the camera are second to none (IMO)... one of the perks shooting the SL66 is when passers by comment 'Is that a Hasselblad?' I genuinely rejoice in replying 'no, it's better..' Great review BTW.
I always liked the idea of the Rollei until a friend of mine bought one and had a lot of problems with it. He was also less impressed with the wideangle lenses so eventually sold it for a Hasselbald. Had it worked out well for him I may have bought one.
I’m late to this video, but I thought you should know that your the reason I bought my Bronica! Went hiking with my metal Mamiya 645 and after the first day I realized I need a lighter camera. Sold it while I was away still and bought an SQ-A in a bundle for $600. Really, really love the camera and the backs. They sure are a little hard to get with the accessories though
Glad you’re getting on well with the Bronica and it sounds like you got a great deal too 👍
I had an SQ-A with 3 PS lenses, it was so good.. sharp and contrasty lenses, lightweight, flash sync up to 1/500, a perfect camera. Now I switched to GS-1, bought myself a 6x6 and 6x7 backs, great system as well, very universal, little bit bigger and heavier, but not much. I am a huge fan of Bronica cameras and good news is, they still are quite inexpensive compared to other brands delivering same, or usually better image quality. And all those stereotypes about reliability issues are not true at all, those are workhorses.
I’ve never tried a GS-1 but they were definitely a bargain a few years ago. I’m very happy with the quality of Bronica equipment, well made and some thoughtful design features.
Thanks for this Steve, your videos are always fantastic. Don't ever stop! :)
I have a Bronica SQ-A with 50, 80 and 150, and watched this video a lot before buying the a Hasselblad 503cx with 50, 80, 150 this summer. After using the Hasselblad for a while I honestly find the Bronica SQ-A to be the better system of the two. The Bronica SQ-A has electronically controlled shutters that are always spot on (whereas the lenses on my Hassy varies...), never jams, has a double exposure function built in, can switch viewfinders without having to take off back, and for me is WAY easier to focus due to the for me way better matte screen on my SQ-A compared to the one I got with my 503cx.
The only thing I can say the Hasselblad is better at is that the shutter sound of the Hasselblad sounds like butter compared to the slightly high pitched and annoying sound of the SQ-A. But really, for me, that's the biggest (and possible only) advantage of the Hasselblad 503cx over the Bronica SQ-A system.
Sorry for the wall of text. This probably isn't of any value to you Steve, but perhaps it might be of help to others considering both system :-)
Glad you tried the Hasselblad Matthias, it is surprising how close they are in real world capabilities. There’s such a difference in price that the Bronica is a really good option for a 6x6 system camera.
Spot on review!
Steve, When I was in my City College days in San Francisco back in 1977 that I got a Bronica S2A with the 75mm 2.8 Nikkor P, and the Nikkor 105mm Shutter/Lens but with the lens the closest that I got with the 105mm was 2 feet, but at least it sync with all speeds when using flash, as for the 75mm Nikkor in which that was my go to lens at the time when I use it during my Grad School days, as it was my shooting lens to shoot street photo, and also when I took it to Yosemite in the snow as the results were sharp, and contrasty. But it gather inside the Camera Bag as when I look at it that I decided to find more lenses for my baby so I obtain the following: The 50mm 3.5 Nikkor, and the 135mm 3.5 Nikkor, and a Chimney focusing hood also for the Bronica S2A, as I tested both lenses in shooting landscaping, that I found the 50mm was sharper at 3.5 and the 135mm very much sharper than the 105mm as the 105mm was sharp in the center, but soft at the edges. When I got the both lenses that the seller also threw in a extra goodie, a Polaroid back for the S2A, but with what? Fuji kill their FP100, and FP3000, and I pleaded with Polaroid to bring back Peel apart film. Now i am hoping that someone creates a Fuji Instax back for the Bronica, and Hasselblad, and Mamiya & Graflex XL Press cameras.
I’ve heard very good things about the S2A lenses Alex, never used the system myself but intrigued by the options.
Easy, if you're a snob, get the Hasselblad. If you only care for getting great pictures, the Bronica does the job perfectly. The Zenzanon PS lenses are fully the equivalent of the Zeiss lenses (this was proven in magazine tests back in the day). The system is more advanced and more ergonomic. The sibling Bronica ETR system is also an amazing camera system, with killer Zenzanon -PE lenses.
I have no quibbles about the Bronica lens lineup apart from the 50mm which isn’t as good as the later Zeiss models. The issue I’m finding is that repairs are more difficult (and expensive) with electronic film cameras.
@@SteveONions a bronica SQ is a simple camera inside. The electronic Seiko shutters on the lenses are simpler than the mechanical Compur shutters on Hassy lenses. Source of this claim: I'm a camera tech.
I've never been interested in a 6x6cm SLR. However, if I were to acquire one, it would be a Rollei SL66Em for its focal plane shutter and best lenses.
Ouch, selling your Hassey... but the Bronica is no slouch in the hands of an artist. Really enjoyed the analysis Steve and doubt you’d ever get better images. Old cliche applies again, it’s the photographer not the equipment.
Very true Dan, very true (I’d settle for a Holga if the light was great).
Give me .... Any of that.... 😀 I am ok with both of them.
Good point 😀
I use Bronica SQ +50, 80, 105 mm. The perfect camera for me. Steve, good job.
I had a Blad for a number of years and now I have a ETRSi and I agree with your evaluation.
I had both Hasselblad ELM500 and Bronica ETRSi - after few years of use, I sold Hasselblad, because I much more frequently take the Bronica. Hasselblad Zeiss lenses are different, but we can not say obviously better than Bronica - depends on what are you shooting for and what lens you choose. Bronica body is just better to use.
My 6x6 kit is a Mamiya C330S with a few lenses, 65, 80, 105 and 180. All mechanical and the glass is amazing.
i have c220 $150 estate sale
Very nice outfit Bill.
Hasselblad prices have gone $$$tratospheric of late. Nice Bronica SQa(i) can still be had for a about a third of the price Hassy. I'm a practical guy: I drive a 20 year old VW - guess which one I'm buying.
My opinion: Bronica and Hasselblad are like Nissan and Jaguar cars. If you want a reliable, economical car, Bronica, and if you want status, Hasselblad.
The status thing for me works as a negative. Like having a Rolex, really off putting.
@@g-r-a-e-m-e- It's the same for me.
Wrong comparison, the Bronica are like a Lada and the Hasselblad like a Bentley ! I will chose Hasselblad every single time.
Missing using my Hassie as I am still waiting on my house to be finished due to pandemic delays; no running water etc. in my friend's cabin, so not shooting film until I can process it. Great review, and either system will serve one's needs admirably. My 500 C and 80mm were a gift from a dear friend, his father's equipment. I have added a prism finder, 50mm, 150mm, and 250mm to the kit all for around $600 with some patience and scrounging ebay for deals over the last two years. I feel very blessed indeed! Cheers!
Nice outfit Robert and very good prices too. Just about the perfect set of focal lengths for most uses.
Rollei SLX for me - you can use it one handed and left or right handed - magazines are lighter and much smaller too -Rechargeable battery change is on the side of the camera and you can keep them in your pockets which also keeps them warm!!
Sounds ideal Nelson 👍
Bronica had two lens series for the SQ's the S and PS; the S series were marginal at best, the PS were much better. I've owned both systems and in my view even the PS lenses can't hold a candle to the Hasselblad Zeiss lenses.
I’ve not found that Jim, my S and PS are extremely close and the Zeiss models were comparable.
I have a Hasselblad 501/CM. Love it
Very valid points about both systems. For me personally, it's the Hasselblad. What sold me was the sharpness of the lenses. I can remember the amazement I had when looking at the first roll of film I used in the 500C/80MM C lens back in the day. I've now moved up to the 503CX and all my lenses are now CF and still the same quality that I loved back when I started. I wish they'd come out with some sort of 500 series anniversary film camera...I'm sure it would sell out in no time.
I also loved the lenses and never worried about optimal apertures etc - they were all good. The Bronica is the same apart from the 50mm which is not a good as the Zeiss.
Ffordes have a gold 500 series at the moment
The last two generations of Zenzanon lenses were exceptionally sharp. It's only the earliest lenses they released that had some issues, and even then it was only reserved to a couple focal lengths. Most of the bronica lenses were made in Japan by the same factories that contracted for Zeiss, they were phenomenal once they got past the first generation.
On tye moon lol 😆 😂 🤣
I bought my Bronica SQ from Japan with the 80mm and 50mm lens, and a prism view finder. Bought a second film back, 150mm lens, and a waist level. Totally in love with that camera. So much so, I have an S2A on it way. Should be here today or tomorrow. Having a hard time waiting. For the price, I think I'll pick up an ETRS, in some from or other.
Great video. Thanks.
That’s a whole lot of Bronica Shellie - have fun. I’ve always wondered about the earlier models, some excellent lens options there.
Fantastic comparison Steve. I picked up a Hassleblad about four years ago along with an 80mm, extra back, prism viewfinder and a tele converter. It's a great camera and I think it may be a tad older than I am!
Everyone needs to own a camera older than they are Chris, I’ve got plenty and they make me feel young 😊
Thank you for this great comparison! I almost went with a Bronica after watching your videos, and I was itching to know your opinion on the Hasselblad. I am currently using a 500 C/M from 1980 and very happy with it. All the points you made are absolutely spot on especially the one to do with the cable release interfering with the lenses
Thanks Houmam, looks like I saved you from an unnecessary purchase 🙂
I own a Bronica EC which predates the SQA and has a focal plane shutter a opposed to the leaf shutter in the 501 and SQA. Only cost me 250 quid to import it with a 75mm nikkor (including royal mail's fee). Its in need of a service, but otherwise it's in excellent condition for 50 years old. The lenses for the s2/EC are very reasonably priced and the S2A is fully mechanical (and reliable) so would be my choice should my EC die.
IRC the original Bronica was born out a love for Hasselblad and it's designers desire to perfect the 'blad.
I’ve often thought about the earlier models, some of the lenses look very nice.
I happened to get the Rolleiflex SL66 - A pretty good system with 80mm, 150mm and 250mm lenses just happened across my path while I was just thinking about getting into medium format. I absolutely love it, and the images have been great so far. I've supplemented it with a 50mm lens, and I'll get one or two extra backs and a prism viewfinder when I can afford it.
Sounds like you’ve got yourself a good system Karreth, it’ll be nice to finish it off with the wideangle 👍
I still love your videos. Great again. Thank you for your honest point of view.
I got this weekend a Mamiya 645 with 2 lenses from my wife (for my 2x20th birthday 😉) so I will use that set the next time. (But I have also my beloved 6x6 TLRs)...and the hasselblad is like the Leica out of (financial) range.
Stay safe and go on as good as always 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
The Mamiya 645 is a very good option and I love the compact lenses. They are very robust cameras too and a better camera system for long hikes.
With the Hasselblad you really have to get the top-tier lenses to get your value for the extra money. Back in the day I could only afford the 4/50 mm CT* and always had to stop it down to f11 to get sharp corners as its focal plane isnt flat enough. On the long end the 5.6/250mm CT* wasn't the highest resolving one could wish for and really not much to write home about. The system gave me good service but In the end I sold it after I had two A12 magazines lock up on me when on location. They had recently been serviced by a recommended repairer. In 15 years about every part of my Hassi-Kit needed service and this was one problem too much for me. In todays market where prices for Hasselblad have again risen to next to absurd levels, especially for the really good lenses (40 FLE, 50 FLE, 60, 100, 120, 180. 250 SA is still a bit of a sleeper) and bodies I would not put my money there again unless I wanted the prestige instead of a photographic tool.
I also found the 250mm to be quite an average performer and preferred to use a x2 converter on my 150mm. The 50mm CF/ FLE was excellent and better than the equivalent Bronica.
Very well put together video Steve, and very helpful. Thanks
Thanks Ross.
There is an unfortunate thing that happens in many endeavors. Photography is definitely one of them. That unfortunate thing is collectors. (It's not unfortunate for the collectors because it makes them happy.) They pay a boatload of cash for certain nice cameras then they put them in glass cases that they dust every two months. There is nothing wrong with loving something simply for its external beauty but there is a side effect for those who want to use these things as tools. As an example, the Canon 1V is very expensive. The Canon 1N is a fraction of the price. But the difference in capability is miniscule. The 1V has a collector's premium on it. There are a few cameras that have a collector's premium that I bought anyway because I really like the camera. Examples are my Rolleiflex TLR and my Nikon F5 which are somewhat inflated. I did not get the Rolleiflex f2.8 because it has a very large collector's premium or the Nikon F6 which is also a lot more than the F5. I have three Canon 1N HS cameras, but I will probably never buy a Canon 1V. For the same reason, I might buy a Bronica, but a Hassleblad is very unlikely. While I do love my Rolleiflex, it is not my favorite TLR, which is my Mamiya C3. The bellows makes it possible to do special close-up images. I too, appreciate the beauty of a special instrument. But being a cheapskate, I am not willing to pay a lot for them.
I know how you feel, the cost of cameras is in no way directly linked to their usefulness or even quality. The Bronica systems are very capable but come in at less than 25% that of an equivalent Hasselblad and from experience the two are roughly equivalent. Same for overhyped 35mm cameras, you’d be hard pushed to tell the difference between a £100 and £1000 model but some have achieved cult status.
When it comes to TLR’s I’d also like Rolleiflex but I doubt the performance would justify the extra cost versus my Autocord.
I recommend rolleiflex sl66 for 6x6. Brett Weston used one, it has bellows and tilting for focus.
It’s amazing
Bronica Seiko lenses are as good as Zeis lenses. The Bronica lenses don't break.
All lenses will break at some point but I agree that the Bronica lenses are very well made and built to last for decades.
@@SteveONions unlike Hasselblad lenses.
I like very much the Bronica. But..In landscape the important is sharpness, but in portraits it's different. The Planar is a masterpiece and I cannot live without it. I would like the Zeiss lenses on the Bronica Camera for the electronic shutter, the priority mode, etc. etc.
Good point. I recall that Ansel Adams switched to a Hasselblad 2000 to give him more accurate (and consistent) shutter speeds.
Who’s your favorite repair man? My Bronica is having some problems
Newton Ellis & co Liverpool are camera repair engineers
Definitely go to Newton Ellis, they recently fixed one of my SQA-I bodies that had an occasional misfire. I spent half an hour discussing the fix with them and it’s clear that they really understand the camera (and all the other ones I send them).
@@SteveONions Perfect. Thanks John and Steve!
Hi Steve. I don’t know much about Bronica but I recently inherited a Hasselblad 203FE with a Zeiss 80mm f2.8 planar lens. Never owned or operated one of these type of cameras before and I am loving the challenge. The equipment is a joy to own, so well made and fascinating to learn about. I think I would like to do a hybrid approach shooting in B&W, process at home in a Jobo tank then scan and print with my Epson gear. Need to get a good spot meter like yours. My other pride and joy is a Leica M10-P which I love also even though it is digital. Cheers
Hope you enjoy the journey Rob, there an endless amount to discover and that’s part of the fun. Great gear setup too 👍
I prefer a rectangular format and so landed on a Mamiya M645 1000s and a couple lenses. For me it was a choice between the Mamiya and a Bronica Etrsi. This model Bronica has every feature of the Mamiya plus interchangeable backs. I don't need the interchangeable back and prefered the fit and finish of the Mamiya. Also, I am stoked with the Mamiya 55mm 2.8 which is the lens that lives on my camera 95 percent of the time. I am sure i would have loved the Bronica had i opted for it. It's all largely subjective. Any of these cameras will give professional quality results and any should prove reliable. Decide first whether you like square or rectangular. Then look at features and lenses. And cost.
I do like the 4:3 aspect ratio and owned a number of Mamiya 645’s over the years. If they weren’t so expensive I’d get another.
I had a very similar conversation with myself a couple of years ago and decided to go down the Bronica ETRS road. The main over riding points that swayed my decision was overall weight, the fact I never print larger than 12 X 16 or 11 X 14 paper and the price of equipment, just taking photographs for myself could I justify spending four or five times the amount, more to the point could I afford to and the answer was no to both questions.
Pretty much the same for me Stephen, the results from the cameras are all but indistinguishable.
Great video, I've had Hasselblads for 48 years still have an old 40mm from NE&Co from purchased 30 years ago now its sat around as a paper weight had to replace it a few years ago for a CF FLE.
so i can use it on a X1D with the adapter and the older lenses witch are fantastic with digital.
Sounds like a good option John 👍
Excellent review for my decision making… I have the opportunity between the SQAi and the GS1… bc of funds I’m way out of reach for the hassleblad as you gave mention… Cheers 👍
Glad you found it useful.
If you can live with electronics, I'd suggest a Rollei 6000-series 6x6 is more user friendly than either a Hasselblad V Series or a Bronica SQA.
I couldn’t cope with the numerous problems they seem to suffer Terry, I believe the batteries are also a big issue. Similar story with the SL66, just too fragile.
The Bronica SQa is not comparable to the mechanical Hassy, the Bronica S2A is all mechanical, like the Hassy.
I disagree Michelle, apart from the mechanical shutter the two cameras are remarkably alike.
I just had a ETRSi back broken and repaired. Indeed a week point. Fantastic tools otherwise, these Bronica's!
Lovely video! I enjoy watching and learning from your work. Many thanks.
Thanks Dirk.
I'm a Bronica man and have been since 1983, when I started using an ETRS professionally. I'll be honest: I've never encountered the faults you're outlining. Not ever. Any problems I had were user related - like not making sure the backs were properly secured.
The P Series wide angles corrected the problems with the wide angles. They're just not there any more.
I've used a 'Blad and I couldn't really understand what the fuss was about. I think it's true that - at the time - the 'Blad lenses were probably better but Zenzanon caught them up and the differences between the two brands because almost non existent.
I'm currently suffering with a Mamiya RB67. Great camera but just too complicated to be enjoyable. I might as well be using 5x4, which I don't really want to do. So I'm going back to Bronica but this time it's going to be an SQ-A or SQ-B.
I think whatever you said about the Hasselblad, the really telling thing was that you said you're staying with the Bronica and I don't blame you.
Glad to see you returning to the fold 👍
I have Hasselblad 503 CW with 180mm and 80mm but I need a 50mm lens and digital back and PME45 with spotmeter. I'm looking for the latest version of the 50mm. I have a Fuji GW 690 III and Mamiya 7ii with 4 lenses. I also have a Nikon LS9000 scanner.
Nice outfit Thomas 👍
Picked up a Mamiya RB67 "kit" of several lens and a body for about $400. It was a beast but the rotating 6x7 back made it worth every penny. Have owned Leica, 'Blad, and even a Bronica. Always regretted selling them.
I know what you mean Rob, wish I’d kept hold of the Blad outfit 🙁
I bought a Bronica ETR-S kit brand new wish I had bought a prism and a speed grip as portraits were a struggle. I should have bought a Hasselblad 500cm like my boss.
Much later in life I got given for my 40th birthday a Bronica S2A with a 80mm f2.4 zenzanon, absolutely loved that camera looked like a Hasselblad but unfortunately without leaf shutters.
I’ve never used an S2A Marc but I believe the lenses were excellent.
value very much a deciding factor. i’m only a hobbyist but am looking 4ward 2 making impactful hi-res arty images. gr8 tutorial thx👍.
Hope it works well for you Jock 👍
A great video Steve. I absolutely loved the Hasselblad 500CM with its amazing resolving power, but felt it somewhat cumbesome & restricting when used in such a large underwater housing along with being limited to a 6x6 format 120 - 12 exposure film back. I was so use to COMEX giving me 35mm cameras and housings with 36 exposure film for their offshore CVI and UVI Mag particle inspection photography.
I would add the fact that hasselblad uses Zeiss lenses. For me that's the biggest selling point.
I’ve found the Zenzanon lenses excellent too, little to choose between them.
Team Bronica. But I prefer the S2a, all manual, built like a tank and very lovely lenses. :) And the shutter sound easily establishes my dominance over any other photographer...
I’d like to try an S2a one day Sandra, the lenses are particularly appealing.
Love the videos. Can you do a video about what decision goes into which size format to use (large/medium/35mm etc.)? Why are larger formats better and is it worth it? Or why medium format is better than 35mm for example?
Oooh, tricky one. Even I’m not sure why I chose a particular format most times. If it’s a long walk I go with the lightest camera, other than that it depends how I’m feeling.
the two systems are great, they have their pros and cons, but I'm not really found of the ergonomic of this type of body (it is the same for TLR)
Around 2001-2 I was doing a lot of Mountaineering and lugging a C330 around. Popped into Cambrian to buy a used 'Blad' The salesman knew his stuff and held Blads in very high esteem. After a very long discussion, he advised I would be better off with an ETRSi system. He never made a sale that day, but his knowledgeable and honest advice got a future repeat customer. Great vlog Steve, or should that be, a knowledgeable and honest vlog 😃
Cheers
Diz
Thanks Diz, it’s not often you come across someone who’s trying to help you instead of selling you something.
Another point in favor of the Bronica is that the 135W back lets you shoot XPan sized negatives without paying for an XPan.
Very true, just a pity that those backs cost so much these days 🙁
Have a question about the 150mm F4 PS lenses. After I cocked the shutter, when I looked through the Lens, I could see the shutter blades are only halfway open. But the shutter blades would opened fully and closed when I pressed the shutter release. Is this normal? I thought the shutter blades would opened all the way to let as much light into the viewfinder.
Hi Michael. The blades should indeed open up fully otherwise it would dim the viewfinder. Only upon shutter releases should they activate.
Hasselblads frighten me. When you press the shutter button, the camera has to: close the shutter, lift the mirror, open the barn doors, close the diaphragm to the selected f stop, and activate the shutter. When you wind, the the actions include advancing the film, closing the barn doors, dropping the mirror, opening the diaphragm and cocking/reopening the shutter. All done with gears, levers, cams, and springs. Given wear, hardened lubricants and general abuse, it’s a wonder that they work. A testament to the craftsmanship and materials selection of the makers.
Put like that it is a wonder that they ever work James! They obviously refined the mechanism over the years after a bad start with the 1600F and later 1000F, both having issues.
Well said. I agree with the guy below. Very fair comparison. 👏
Thanks Tim.
About 6 months ago I wanted to get into medium format SLR. I looked and found, of all of them, I could stretch and afford a Bronica SQ. I got one with one film back, a 50mm and a 80mm lens, and the eye level view finder. I paid, like $600. You can see my unboxing video. I have since got a waist level view finder, a 150mm lens, and another film back. I so love that camera and bought a hard case to keep her safe. Her name is Veronica, by the way. Veronica the Bronica. Ya, I got a hell-of-a-lot of camera, for a fraction of the Hasselblad price. It's kind of funny. I shoot Canon "A" series 35mm cameras, and they both take the same battery! Well, I find it funny, anyway.
Great video and thanks.
I’m glad your outfit is taking shape, the lenses and accessories are still quite affordable (for now). 👍
@@SteveONions For now.
Why was selling the Hasselblad and going digital a mistake? I have a Hasselblad. I'm considering a digital back for it.
It was a mistake because I sold it 🙂
Hasselblad users, if you know, you know. Looking forward to your future videos with it Steve...:)
😊
I chose Bronica as an example of the perfect price/quality ratio.
Can’t argue with that 👍
An important issue, I believe that you can convert some Hasselblad models with digital backs.
You can indeed Norman (£££££)
Still lots of support for Hasselblad. Repair and parts still available plus plenty of lenses and other items. I prefer a fully manual camera no electronics. So Hasselblad for me :)
That’s true Terry, mechanical devices will almost certainly be repairable for the foreseeable future.
Great comparison Steve, with focus in the areas that matter to photographers. I've been a medium format shooter for a few years now and bought an SQA a few months ago. It's a terrific camera. 6x6 is a joy to shoot and by far my preference now. Keep up the great work with your YT posts. I've enjoyed watching them for quite a while. Cheers
Thanks Matthew, I’m glad you like the videos and find the Bronica fun to shoot with.
Great content Steve, have the Rolleiflex Sl66, which i like. The lens can be turned back to front for macro photography which is another unique feature as well as the built in lens tilt.
That’s another good point in favour of the Rollei Carl 👍
Great video Steve, as usual. I concur with you on the 50mm FLE lens on the Hasselblad system. It's a wonderful lens. I do find the Acute Matte-D screen that while extremely bright, it's not very contrasty - it's difficult to tell the in and out of focus transitions. I replaced mine with a custom Maxwell screen, which is terrific.
I did like the Acute screen Eder but Maxwell screens and also top notch.
Film photography is booming, I just checked the website of my film photography gear shop and there were three Hasselblad 500C marked as sold. No more Bronica bodies.
Same for me Henk. When I got the SQA-I 6 years ago I had my pick from the dealers sites. A couple of years later there were none to be found. Wish I’d also kept hold of my Mamiya 645 outfit too 🙁
Thanks a lot! Very clear and fair. In the 70's I could use a Hasseblad for 6 weeks. Being a student and it being summer, so lots of time to go out, I used it a lot. For about 10 days. After the initial bliss, the bulk and weight started to count. Most important, at my level of photography I didn't see much difference in image quality, compared to my Nikon 35mm. I am sure that technically and optically the Hasseblad is the top. But I would have to pay a very high price for an excellence that my skills are too limited for. Hasseblads should be awarded to young promising photographers and bought by people with a fat wallet that carry them, but hardly use them. For medium format, I am very happy with my light and simple Rolleiflex 3.5 F and smaller Bronica ETSRi. For the latter, accessories such as filters are much more affordable.
It’s a fair point Robert and I also enjoy 35mm cameras which can deliver excellent quality. I find the 6x6 system cameras to be perfect when working from a tripod in the landscape but for everyday use a TLR is nicer to carry.
I had the same - more people ask "is that a Hasselblad" with a Bronica than with a Hasselblad :)
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As an owner of Hasselblad one thing to mention. With the lenses you need special filters if you use ones or look for dome sort of adapters. Not a big deal, but at time it bothers me.
Good point Alexander.
Super interesting. I have a full Bronica kit and always wondered what I was missing out on. The bronica is also relatively light, good for long hikes and its easily replaced if damaged.
Nice comparison. I've never owned or used the Bronica SQA, but I do have a 503CW. I only ever shoot with the prism finder, so have no issues with unnecessary film back removal. It's a great camera and a pleasure to use as you know, but if I was forced to choose between it or my Mamiya 6 and its 3 perfect lenses, it would be the Mamiya!
I’m the same Mike, the Mamiya 6 would be my preferred choice when going on long hikes.
Why not the Bronica s2a vs the SQA?
I don’t have any experience with the S2’s so I wouldn’t like to comment.
Or a Mamiya 6. And don't forget the electronics in the Bronica. They get older and ........
True, true - this is why I have three identical bodies 🙂
@@SteveONions Rich men 😎
Hassy 500 C/M user here. Biggest con of the Hassy from my experience: that the lens is jammed and can't be detached from the camera. It happens to every user at least once! If you don't have the needed tool with you, the camera is useless and won't take any photo after the issue occurred. The mechanical feature to cock the lens mechanism can be a pain. Always have a penny with you for this reason to rotate it manually if needed! Too many things can go wrong here. Main design debit of this camera. The dark slide has two positions how it can be inserted - both ways protect the film but only one way of inserting avoids the dark slide handle to be protruding. I also find it hard to get to insert the dark slide fast into the cartridge when attached to the camera. My Mamiya RZ67 Pro is better in this regard when it comes to the cartridge stuff even I otherwise prefer the Hassy. Hasselblad lenses are fantastic even the bokeh circle is often an octagon due to the low number of aperture blades of the V lenses.
I was lucky never to suffer the dreaded jam Martin but I was extra careful when mounting and dismounting lenses. I used to carry a spare 500 C/M body on trips just in case. No such problems with the Bronica, it’s a foolproof mount.
404 errors can happen to any camera :D In 38 years it only happened once to me ;)
if you have a Hasselblad you, by instantaneously , become a better photographer. Let alone if flaunt a Noctilux in front of your M7.... :)
Of course, only total beginners would use a cheap camera 😉
@@SteveONions I have an ETRS which I acquired after a BBC photographer told not to get an Hasselblad... and get an SQ-A or an ETRS instead.... I don't know if it makes look less cool than one of those west London bitches flaunting off red dots or chrome/ black leather casings but Im happy with what I got what and what I think is remarkable is that a lot of people talk about photography without knowing the difference between Studium and Punctum... but they know how many elements how many elements are in a Planar :)
I had Bronica EC and Bronica SQA for quite some time. I can say for sure Bronica did it wrong limiting the SQA system to only Bronica lenses. They should've stick to a strategy they have followed with EC/S2: to build great camera bodies and pair them to the best optics such as NIKKOR. And who knows we might still have Bronica company be alive today. The bottom line, Hassy's Carl Zeiss lenses are far better than Bronica SQ lenses. Once you'll try it yourself you will know it for sure.
I also had Rolleiflex SL66... I'd say it is one of a kind, unique, 6x6 film camera out there. It also has CZ (Rollei) lenses and it is capable to produce photos Hassy and Bronica can't do. it's a bit bulkier than Hassy or Bronica SQ and it is also more complicated inside but if I will ever have a chance and resources I definitely will buy one again in mint condition.
*My advice when you're going to buy a used film camera: ask a seller to show you at least two uncut developed rolls of film. It will show you 99% of issues the camera has!*
I’ve not found the Bronica lenses to be any worse than the Hasselblad’s Sergey. My friend had the SL66 and found those lenses inferior to the Zeiss optics on his 503.
@@SteveONions First of all, I do respect what you do Steve. From my experience, mostly portraits. Meaning an aperture is around from F2.8 to F5.6. CZ lens 80/2,8 has more pleasing "Zeiss grade" rendering and out focus fall off. My 80mm prime for SL66 was the latest Rollei HFT lens. I believe it is just the same as Hassy 503 CZ planar except leave shutter. I couldn't be any happier - it produces a soft image with lots of micro-contrast and sharpness!
also, with a bronica, as they are electronic, check this, by shooting at 1/2 or 1/4 second, you MUST hear TWO clicks, the second is softer!, but if the battery is dead, or the electronics the system resets to a mechanical 1/500th default setting, and this can be hard to catch, esp. if you shoot at faster speeds. ( also if the metered prism mode knob is not set propperly ( these have a center button, if this is not out fully, it can run unreliably into and out of mech. default)).
I’m an expert on the little noises my Bronica (should) make now Andy. I’ve had a few issues with lenses and the electronics on the SQ-Ai and now listen very carefully when I’m shooting 🙂
@@SteveONions good to hear, I just made this point for other's who watch this video, as these bronica's are different to Hasselblads, Rolleiflexes, and Mamiya's in this regard, and like Jonathon at the "worldwide camera exchange" youtube channel, just informing the public what to watch when considering purchasing them, as you didn't mention this aspect in the video, just the battery part of it, and unlike a dslr, the camera just doesn't STOP dead, it does this quirk, which you need to know, it will work regardless if the battery is good, or not; the more you are aware, it saves people getting discouraged by this issue, it is NOT them, if the film doesn't turn out, it is a camera fault, thus keeping people shooting film!!
Very informative video, thanks for that
You’re welcome Antoine
What about the Zenza Bronica S2 with a few Nikkor lenses and a couple off backs? I like the look of them for when I move up from my Zeiss, Agfa's and Kodak folding medium format cameras.
Another possible option but they are a lot less common and haven’t been manufactured for over 40 years.
@@SteveONions yea older could mean more problems and then availability of parts taking into account the price seems to be going up, probably 30% over the past year in saying that all film cameras seem to be going up in price. But saying age might be a problem my Zeiss and Agfa's are the guts of 70 year old now and still going well and I don't mind tinkering around with them. Thanks for the input.
“You fee 10 feet tall when shooting one” the exact same can be said for shooting a rolleiflex. There is nothing like shooting classic cameras! People are fascinated by them, and you feel like a celebrity shooting one. I’m often in the middle of Manhattan shooting, and I nearly draw a crowd when I pull out the Rollei! Wish I had known that when I was single! 😂😂😂
Same as borrowing a dog just to walk round the park 😊
You stole my scam! 😂😂
Bronica SQ-A I love it
great video, one other plus for bronica, they have a shutter lock, which locks ALL release options, the grip, the cable socket, and the button, so whatever configuration you choose, NO need to have the darkslide inserted to stop any in-advertent shutter release in-bag, or while handling it; another plus, the cable socket is on the side, so while using, no fingers can get in front of the lens!; also this means a 'self-timer' clock work release can fit, without jamming fingers into the lens.
My two SQ-Ai bodies will fire on the cable release regardless of the lock button setting. It’s never a problem though as the release is only screwed in when I’m ready to shoot 👍
@@SteveONions good point to be aware of, I just got an ETRSI, and this is the case for that model, was not aware the sq-ai 's were diferent in this way.
Nothing wrong with a Bronica. I had one. But Hasselblad is better -
Subjective or objective? 🙂
@@SteveONions - Both.
I keep thinking of a medium format camera but I keep coming against bronica 645 or mamiya 645 going through my head, what are you're thoughts. Thank you
Well I’ve owned a few Mamiya 645’s Simon, never the Bronica. It’s a good format and smaller/lighter. If the prices weren’t so silly I’d get another Mamiya 645 as the lenses are a lot smaller and lighter.
@@SteveONions Thank you
What is that fallacy of logic where you leave out the obvious correct choice and give two looser alternatives? bkspicture has it right: the choice between Hasselblad and Bronica is the Mamiya RB67.
The RB67 is much heavier and larger than the 6x6 cameras; lenses are huge for the RB67. While 6x7 is a beautiful format, it's not very portable compared to 6x6.
If the Mamiya was a 6x6 you could be right Michael 🙂
I used to have Bronica 6.45 model ETRS and few lenses and they are well made camera and produce good and high quality images
Excellent equipment.
Great job!!! The mamiya c tlr system is also super under rated and still relatively cheap!!!
Please stop talking about these or the prices will spike.... KEEP THE SECRET!
Sorry 🙄