23% Faster - Fix the 7950X3D & 7900X3D

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  • 23% Faster - Fix the 7950X3D & 7900X3D
    On the left is a stock 7950X3D in Baldurs Gate 3, and if you look closely you can see the first 8 cores aren’t being utilized.
    Those are the X3D cores which for Baldur’s Gate and many other games is a major issue that will lead to much lower performance.
    Now many will tell you this is unfixable and to buy a 7800X3D instead, but actually it is and the fix is very easy, yet for some reason AMD didn’t do it.
    To prove it on the right I have the same scenario, except this time with the fix, and as you can see, now the X3D cores are being utilized, which actually led to a 23% performance gain.
    So what’s the fix? Simple.
    Go into your BIOS
    Press F7 to go to advanced
    Find “Precision Boost Overdrive” and on ASUS under “Per-Core Boost Clock Limit” or something with a similar name on other boards (which if you can’t find it most motherboards have a search function at the top of the BIOS) Anyway once you find it, enable it and limit your non X3D cores (which are the ones that are set to clock much higher) to less than your X3D cores, I personally run 5050MHz as the max, then hit F10 to save and quit.
    Now before you panic I have tested this and not only is it the only fix that always works, but it also has 0 performance decrease in any multicore or gaming workloads.
    It’s an incredibly simple and safe fix because Windows typically tries to grab the highest clocking cores, so even if you have the latest chipset drivers and game bar update this is why some games still will grab the non cache cores which clock much higher.
    So why didn’t AMD do this? I’m not sure. Maybe they actually thought it would be better not to, or maybe they just wanted to put 5.7GHz on the box and didn’t care that it was all negatives and no gains.
    We’ll never know, but I think it’s VERY important this reaches ALL 7950 and 7900 X3D owners, so if this helped please like the video, favorite, tell me how much performance you gained in the comments, and if you could please share this on places like Reddit or other AMD forums that would be really helpful.
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  • @laszlozsurka8991
    @laszlozsurka8991 10 месяцев назад +354

    Wow what? A video that's not 10 minutes long, straight to the point and no unnecessary blabbing? Is this the right channel?

    • @SupraSav
      @SupraSav 9 месяцев назад +4

      Mind blowing.. some videos aren't all numbers and charts. Tiktok might work better for your attention span

    • @sebastianlipkowski3465
      @sebastianlipkowski3465 9 месяцев назад +30

      You compleatly missed the comments intent..

    • @hellraserfleshlight
      @hellraserfleshlight 5 месяцев назад

      It also happens to be absolutely TERRIBLE advice that nobody should follow. This will absolutely negatively impact performance in many applications that "Graphically Challenged" simply didn't test for, and people are *STILL* posting this awful advice as a "good idea."

    • @laszlozsurka8991
      @laszlozsurka8991 5 месяцев назад

      @@hellraserfleshlight Of course he didn't. He was like "more FPS = good" no matter the cost. I don't know about you but a 7950X3D is already powerful enough. It's a 7800X3D if you disable the second CCD.

    • @Magnusrorsachhatty
      @Magnusrorsachhatty 3 месяца назад

      @@laszlozsurka8991 the point of the vid is you can still use the 7950x3d as a 16 core cpu if required with this fix

  • @pavlomanannikov3574
    @pavlomanannikov3574 9 месяцев назад +134

    That works damn. Tested on Starfield, 99% fps raised from 55 to 70. Thank you bro!

    • @Jeycht
      @Jeycht 9 месяцев назад

      @jeffrey1296 As far as I know only the 3D versions of cpu have a different max clockspeed on core using the 3d cache. Non 3D cores have the same speed so it's not gonna change anything since you don't have to force the game to use specific core to use the cache anyway.

    • @mowtow90
      @mowtow90 8 месяцев назад +8

      @@Jeycht Yes, this is a problem with the die itself as only 1/2 of the cores use the 3D cache but due to HW limitation they are clocked lower. The problem with that is that the OS scheduler doesnt know that so it defaults to the higher clocked cores and ignores the other ones. So basically you get half a CPU. The fix is the same butchering the CPU by forcing the OS to use the faster cores. Its pretty much the same as Intel P and E cores.
      If you mostly game , buy the 7800X3D as that one is preset (it has only 1 die) while the 9 has 1 that sits at idle in gaming.
      If you are going for productivity and Virtualization the standard non 3D CPU is much better because all the cores are the same and OS scheduler is able to utilize all of them + 3d cache doesnt work for most programs , its only good for Gaming.

    • @sebastiantalarowski9533
      @sebastiantalarowski9533 5 месяцев назад

      @@mowtow90 unreal engine benefits from vcache

  • @SttravagaNZza
    @SttravagaNZza 9 месяцев назад +144

    Open the game > hit Windows+G > click on settings and check _this is a game_ and restart. Windows gamebar will always try to use the cache CCD for games.

    • @Adel-sj4ue
      @Adel-sj4ue 5 месяцев назад +6

      Does this method give good results without need to lower the non vcash cores frequancy

    • @georgek6322
      @georgek6322 5 месяцев назад +14

      @@Adel-sj4ue For me with the previous and the latest drivers, always the CCD0 (Cache cores) are selected. And I checked them both from all platforms (XBOX, Steam, Epic). All the games where automatically triggered the cache cores.

    • @NextGenPaknot
      @NextGenPaknot 4 месяца назад +5

      Yes this works for me!

    • @SwerveNation
      @SwerveNation 4 месяца назад

      how do u do this@@georgek6322

    • @HasimFN
      @HasimFN 4 месяца назад +2

      Isnt there another way? I always delete gamebar

  • @Sinepi93
    @Sinepi93 5 месяцев назад +1

    Straight to the point! Havnt tested it yet, but it makes sense.

  • @redx566
    @redx566 8 месяцев назад +13

    I remember watching some of your older videos, didn't like them, thought you were extremely click baity. This video is helpful though and to the point, I think you changed my mind

  • @sir1junior
    @sir1junior 9 месяцев назад +24

    Thanks to this video I pulled the trigger on buying a 7950x3D, Thank you!

    • @jiinx72
      @jiinx72 2 месяца назад

      Ditto

  • @mechlost
    @mechlost 10 месяцев назад +1

    Interesting, thanks for sharing!

  • @dylanbeazley6739
    @dylanbeazley6739 7 месяцев назад

    Had to like and comment because you didnt strech the video. Much love mate.

  • @thesusp3ct144
    @thesusp3ct144 8 месяцев назад

    Thank you for this

  • @JrokkShenanigans
    @JrokkShenanigans Месяц назад +8

    This still works! Huge bump in frame rate and stable .Soo glad i came across your video! On the MSI board i have, it was a Cache core prioritize setting i found with search

    • @harris19863
      @harris19863 21 день назад

      can you not just achieve the same result using process lasso or the gamebar? You don't need to de-clock the frequency cores anymore

  • @Neatrior
    @Neatrior 9 месяцев назад +55

    Either that or you can use Process Lasso to set the game application to prioritize the X3D cores. But this works too.

    • @Adel-sj4ue
      @Adel-sj4ue 8 месяцев назад +3

      From your experience which give better results process lasso or this method?

    • @makiss29
      @makiss29 8 месяцев назад +15

      Process Lasso wouldn't have to lower the clock speed of the non 3D cores, so it would be faster.

    • @mathew6097
      @mathew6097 7 месяцев назад +4

      do you have video link how to use process lasso?

    • @boomslangj
      @boomslangj 6 месяцев назад +4

      Certain games will crash or not open using process lasso because of the anticheat software thinking it's a bad program. Elden Ring would flat out not open for me until I uninstalled it.

    • @Adel-sj4ue
      @Adel-sj4ue 6 месяцев назад

      @@boomslangj new info

  • @nosajmartinez6175
    @nosajmartinez6175 10 месяцев назад +12

    Very creative solution

  • @unbreakablefootage
    @unbreakablefootage 8 месяцев назад

    Great tip

  • @EatCoffee
    @EatCoffee 5 месяцев назад

    YOU'RE A LIFESAVER

  • @rua893
    @rua893 10 месяцев назад +3

    thank u girl i love u 👍👍

  • @JerseyJohnnysElectronicsGaming
    @JerseyJohnnysElectronicsGaming 6 месяцев назад +3

    I appreciate the tip,but i still think for a overall benefit. Using the negative 30 undervolt still seems like our best choice.

    • @Adel-sj4ue
      @Adel-sj4ue 5 месяцев назад +1

      How the negative 30 undervolt will fix this problem????

    • @JerseyJohnnysElectronicsGaming
      @JerseyJohnnysElectronicsGaming 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Adel-sj4ue actually i got even better results using a negative 25 undervolt on all cores. with internal gpu disabled my system is running at 5235mhz and 5725mhz. @48-59degrees. I do run my fans on 100% when gaming or benching, but with my 360mm kraken, and the negative 25 undervolt, im running at 5725mhz under 60 degrees while benching. i love this cpu. i think my motherboard helps, i really love the gigabyte aorus x67E master

    • @mattw6597
      @mattw6597 4 месяца назад +1

      Exactly. What's the point for downgrading your non 3d cache cores if you can undervolt the cpu and get 5225 on 3d and 5700ish on the non 3d's.

    • @JerseyJohnnysElectronicsGaming
      @JerseyJohnnysElectronicsGaming 4 месяца назад +1

      @mattw6597 I upgraded to February's bios and set my ram first. Then once I got my boot up time to under 40 seconds (it was taking over 64seconds) . I then made a few changes for cpu and now I have my c0 running at 5325mhz and c1 running at 5735mhz. My benchmarks are all up, my multicore benchmarks now are even or within margin of error of the ryzen 9 7950 multicore. In game benchmarks the scores were insane. One dx10 rtx benchmark I use had a high score of over 950fps(the highest I've ever seen before that was around 700fps).
      The thing now is even when I run stress tests my high temperatures are in the low 70's. During regular types of benchmarks by 3dmark my cpu temps were in 50's making me want to go in and turn up the settings because I have alot of temperature headroom but you and I know as soon as I mess with it more something will happen. I'm honestly just happy I finally got the ram to stop retraining so long and running at alittle over 6000mhz.

  • @wesleymirandarocha4919
    @wesleymirandarocha4919 5 месяцев назад +2

    Hey bro!
    Nice job! Congrats first of all
    When you say this method + oc, you mean oc by using PBO? What do you think if I use your method + curve optimizer( undervolting)?

  • @donw4889
    @donw4889 7 месяцев назад +3

    This does lower the boost clock speed of 4 core, it should lower multi-thread speed on tasks that uses all cores, assuming cooling is good enough to keep the boost clock speed to max. May not see the lost of speed on multi-thread task that use all core if not able to keep boost clock speed running at max speed.

  • @rayw8252
    @rayw8252 10 месяцев назад +17

    If i had to guess, this probably lets the X3D CPU use the same scheduling optimizations used by Intel's hybrid cores...P cores higher clocked than E cores

    • @righteousone8454
      @righteousone8454 7 месяцев назад +4

      Yes. It is how Win 11 works and AMD botched this cpu, going against Win 11 scheduler.
      Intel didn't

  • @christofferjensen2850
    @christofferjensen2850 8 месяцев назад +1

    Cppc - set to cache… huge boost and Lowered my memory latency from 72ns to 37,7-39

  • @ryanjay13
    @ryanjay13 10 месяцев назад +43

    I use process lasso set up properly and it works perfectly with the 7950x3d

    • @obsessed2247
      @obsessed2247 10 месяцев назад

      a must have tool

    • @dukejukem8843
      @dukejukem8843 10 месяцев назад +1

      If my info is correct you just need to tell games to use ONLY the vcached cores with process lasso?

    • @farminglol
      @farminglol 10 месяцев назад +7

      @@dukejukem8843 Yup. You can just make a rule that anything in /Program Files/Steam runs on X3D-cores for example

    • @AsthmaQueen
      @AsthmaQueen 10 месяцев назад +1

      True for this game but some games will use more than 8 cores for Max performance, as well EAC blocks this pretty heavily

    • @Seb001ean
      @Seb001ean 10 месяцев назад +2

      EAC blocks process lasso ?@@AsthmaQueen

  • @bes12000
    @bes12000 8 месяцев назад +2

    Yeah.. my motherboard doesn't have those options (ASRock X670E Pro RS), I have a custom profile though, PBO+75C thermal limit+PBO clock boost to +200, with a voltage decrease of -20mv) and if im in windows I use process lasso, if im in Linux I use the prefer vcache cores option in bios.

  • @skippaaaa
    @skippaaaa 7 месяцев назад +5

    What about undervolt? In my experience if you gonna udervolt it gives you less temp and higher clocks speed.

  • @pistonwristpin1
    @pistonwristpin1 5 месяцев назад +2

    7950x3d - I’m workin’ it!! And thank you! Can ya figure out how to enable Crossfire on a PCIe Gen5 platform? Is Crossfire only for discrete GPUs, not integrated?

  • @mustangthearpy
    @mustangthearpy 10 месяцев назад +7

    I'm planning on building me an all AMD PC. I'm going with Ryzen 7950x3d with an Aquris liquid cool 7900xtx gpu.

  • @ayliniemi
    @ayliniemi 10 месяцев назад +22

    Thanks
    It would be cool to see how it benches against the i9 now in cases where it was beat out. Also it would be nice to know the difference in power your pulling on average.

    • @UltimateEnd0
      @UltimateEnd0 8 месяцев назад +4

      IT will chew through the latest i9 even the 13900ks

    • @righteousone8454
      @righteousone8454 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@UltimateEnd0 until it doesn't. Because not every game favors parking 8 cores and using 8 cores. And not every game used 3D cache.
      13900k will beat x3D in many cases, and x3D will win in many cases. There is no clear winner, and won't be.

    • @jessie38supercharged
      @jessie38supercharged 6 месяцев назад

      @@righteousone8454 until you install a pcie 5.0 m.2 and realize the intel has 16 pcie5 lanes and 4 pcie 4 lanes while the amd has 24 pcie lanes. The intel system will drop the gpu to pcie 4 x8 speeds while the amd system will run everything at full speed. I'm an intel employee that just switched back to amd

    • @Davinmk
      @Davinmk 6 месяцев назад

      @@righteousone8454 the 7800x3d generally is faster so the 7950x3d will be even more faster

  • @lindesu
    @lindesu 10 месяцев назад +6

    You should be able to just set CPPC preferred cores to "cache" in your bios if I'm not mistaken

    • @GraphicallyChallenged
      @GraphicallyChallenged  10 месяцев назад +1

      Doesn’t work.

    • @farminglol
      @farminglol 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@GraphicallyChallenged *doesn't reliably work in all titles

    • @YashvirGaming
      @YashvirGaming 8 месяцев назад

      @@GraphicallyChallenged So how do i know which cores are the non X3D?
      do i run Core Temps?
      How do i monitor

    • @michaellyons7944
      @michaellyons7944 8 месяцев назад +2

      core 0-7 are x3d cores and rest are normal cores@@YashvirGaming

  • @theFallenMarvel
    @theFallenMarvel 8 месяцев назад +2

    So I have fairly little experience with PBO settings, but is this essentially a type of overclocking or does it just activate the other cores as it should?

    • @righteousone8454
      @righteousone8454 7 месяцев назад +1

      This is actually a form of underclocking your non-3D cores, so essentially you lose productivity power, but you make 3D cache cores as priority in Windows 11. Because Win 11 scheduler starts using higher clocked cores first. Same as 13900k has P-Cores at higher clocks, and Windows knows what to use first.
      This is far from ideal solution for anything but the gaming.
      7950x is a better design, but not as strong for gaming.
      7950x has even spread across all cores, but still not strong enough to beat 13900k.

    • @mikem9536
      @mikem9536 5 месяцев назад

      @@righteousone845413900k has a better memory controller.

  • @ryanjay13
    @ryanjay13 6 месяцев назад

    I’ll have to try this I updated my bios yesterday and am now suffering a 25% frame loss because even process lasso won’t assign affinity to my settings. Windows just ignores it now, used to work perfectly

    • @Adel-sj4ue
      @Adel-sj4ue 5 месяцев назад

      Is process lasso useless now??

  • @enkiikne4978
    @enkiikne4978 3 месяца назад +1

    i would like to see this fix on warzone 3 vs 7800x3d to see if their is any gain of performance.

  • @marxman6896
    @marxman6896 5 месяцев назад +17

    This is a bad fix. It may work, but it's not the correct way to do it. Use Process Lasso (free program) to set the affinity for each game to the v-cache CCD. This gives up no multi-threaded performance at all, but accomplishes the same goal of forcing the game to use the correct CCD.

  • @vmafarah9473
    @vmafarah9473 10 месяцев назад +10

    Damn . That a huge improvement.

    • @nossy232323
      @nossy232323 9 месяцев назад +3

      It's just an outlier. I Tested this on my 7950X3D. For most games with a RTX 4090 at 1440P it made little to no difference for me.

    • @Dan_Lynch
      @Dan_Lynch 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@nossy232323 You are the outlier. Get it right.

    • @nossy232323
      @nossy232323 8 месяцев назад +4

      @@Dan_Lynch You clearly do not have this CPU otherwise you would not make this baseless claim. I have tested this on several games.

    • @mrbeencountin
      @mrbeencountin 5 месяцев назад

      @@nossy232323did you test games which use the 3D v-cache? such as mmorpgs, Rust, even bg3

    • @nossy232323
      @nossy232323 5 месяцев назад

      @@mrbeencountin I do not play any of those games. However for some time now I did set the max speed of the none vcache chiplet to 5050. And while most of the time I do not see a real difference, I did get tired previously for some chipset update of whatever cause a game that used the vcache chiplet suddenly flip over to the none vcache chiplet. So for now I use this as a convenience setting.

  • @Teh-Penguin
    @Teh-Penguin 9 месяцев назад +11

    What multicore benchmarks did you do? Limiting your non 3D cores to 5050 seems like a substantial downgrade.

    • @BK-zy6lw
      @BK-zy6lw 4 месяца назад

      Even though he said it didn't lower the scores at all 😂 🦻

  • @fein7068
    @fein7068 8 месяцев назад +1

    you have to set the cache priority in the bios

  • @selohcin
    @selohcin 10 месяцев назад +18

    HOW did AMD not figure this out?!??

    • @georgek6322
      @georgek6322 6 месяцев назад +4

      AMD what? You find it normal to reduce the performance of your processor for anything else to just get the boost in games? If you want only games and bought the 7950X3d you purchased the wrong processor. 7800X3d is the one you truly needed.

    • @spamfamjay7023
      @spamfamjay7023 5 месяцев назад

      @@georgek6322 do you know which one is best for streaming and gaming?

    • @georgek6322
      @georgek6322 5 месяцев назад

      @@spamfamjay7023 For streaming competitive gaming for example at 4K - 60fps you need a capture card to take the task so that you don't get a performance hit in the game with inconsistent fps. Most of the serious streamers do that.

    • @chuck8240
      @chuck8240 4 месяца назад

      7950x3d if you wanna game stream anf render if you just wanna game 7800x3d,i wouldnt bother thst much over the 7900x3d

    • @PT-rg2vo
      @PT-rg2vo 4 месяца назад +1

      Selohcin, this is Windows Scheduler issue not AMD one. On Linux they don't have such problems and is why both 7900X3D and 7950X3D perform better there.

  • @andremessado7659
    @andremessado7659 9 месяцев назад +5

    My BIOS lets me select whether I want the CPU to favor frequency, cache, auto or "driver". Also turning on Windows Game Mode should enable this as well.

    • @leswilliams762
      @leswilliams762 7 месяцев назад

      This way that he showed is better no more switching

  • @mcbowler
    @mcbowler 9 месяцев назад +6

    On Asrock board search for core, and set CPPC to “cache”. Auto or driver might have difficulty picking the right cores.

    • @ayliniemi
      @ayliniemi 9 месяцев назад +1

      Is that all you need to do?

    • @mcbowler
      @mcbowler 9 месяцев назад

      @@ayliniemi other easy things like enable XMP mode, and PBO, help as well.

    • @x4res
      @x4res 7 месяцев назад

      Is setting CPPC to ‘cache’ better than the solution explained in this video?

  • @MrDrTheJniac
    @MrDrTheJniac 5 месяцев назад +1

    Process Lasso should fix the issue as well without requiring downclocking.

  • @lars5377
    @lars5377 9 месяцев назад

    Can i set Limit on a MSI mpg x670e carbon wifi???? And how i know which Cores i Must set to 5050??

  • @EvilNando
    @EvilNando 7 месяцев назад

    Hello , will this work in tandem with a pbo undervolt? if so I might get this chip

  • @ClevaTreva
    @ClevaTreva 3 месяца назад

    Do you have any CPU tips that'll work for Microsoft Flight Simulator with an 7800X3D?

  • @integritygaminggroup
    @integritygaminggroup 2 месяца назад +2

    Is this still a suggested method in May 2024, or have driver and game updates fixed this?

  • @nossy232323
    @nossy232323 10 месяцев назад +12

    Why don't you just set in de BIOS to "always prefer V Cache"?

    • @vladislavrokotov
      @vladislavrokotov 4 месяца назад

      Каким, блядь, раком ты это установишь на Asus x670e Hero?!

  • @thenext9537
    @thenext9537 7 месяцев назад +7

    I just got the 7900x3d because it was the same price as the 7800x3d on Black Friday. Now I'm trying to figure out everything.

    • @thenext9537
      @thenext9537 5 месяцев назад +3

      Finally. I got 19-26% on various games with this method. Setting the max clock needs playing with but overall yea the 7900x3d beats the 7800x3d which is nice.

    • @officialyashvirgaming
      @officialyashvirgaming 5 месяцев назад

      what motherboard you have@@thenext9537

    • @K1M01
      @K1M01 3 месяца назад

      Good luck with the am5 socket burn ​@@thenext9537

    • @Toul94
      @Toul94 3 месяца назад

      Did this work for you ?
      Just got the 7900x3d and i got stutters in warzone...​@@thenext9537

    • @p4scol3s
      @p4scol3s 3 месяца назад

      I just got the 7900X3D as well. Did you change anything except the steps that were shown in this video? I wonder if Gamebar has improved since then

  • @twonibbleonebyte
    @twonibbleonebyte 2 месяца назад

    I'm unable to change the core values, it says recommended value is based on parameters of your setup with the current settings of extreme tweaker menu

  • @mohammedrazaq3710
    @mohammedrazaq3710 9 месяцев назад

    My bios just shows auto in the per core boost clock limit? What do i do?

  • @knny1491
    @knny1491 2 месяца назад

    What I did was set the cpu to prefer frequency cores to purposely push windows etc off the 3d cores. Then go into process lasso and manually set the games affinity to cores 0-15(3d cores). I only tested Last Epoch and in 4k everything maxed I went from ~95-100 frames to 145-150 with my 4090.

  • @mohannadtamer7067
    @mohannadtamer7067 6 месяцев назад +1

    doesnt prefer cache do this already? i have it set in the bios, do i still need to do this?

  • @nossy232323
    @nossy232323 10 месяцев назад +8

    If you do this, won't ALL programs use the V cache chiplet? That's like a 10% difference in performance (downwards) for serious programs that use 8 cores max.

    • @ripleyhrgiger4669
      @ripleyhrgiger4669 8 месяцев назад +3

      ruining the entie point of this CPU. he should have stuck with a 7800x3d uf he only cares aboiut gaming.

    • @1Bigsxxy
      @1Bigsxxy 6 месяцев назад

      Well 3d cou are for gaming. If you want lots of course for multitasking then get the regular 7900x

    • @mordudorro3157
      @mordudorro3157 5 месяцев назад

      @@ripleyhrgiger4669 its not 10% in performance, more like 2-3%. lol 7800x3d is like 50% slower than 7900x3d in productivity and mere 50 bucks cheaper. Why anyone would go for 7800x3d?

    • @officialyashvirgaming
      @officialyashvirgaming 2 месяца назад

      @@ripleyhrgiger4669 dawg 7800x3d yes for gaming but for rendering it will suck

  • @briangrant9942
    @briangrant9942 5 месяцев назад

    Can you do the recommend settings as shown on the left there?

  • @iequinoxe9354
    @iequinoxe9354 6 месяцев назад +1

    works perfectly

    • @Adel-sj4ue
      @Adel-sj4ue 5 месяцев назад

      U tried it in how many game?

    • @iequinoxe9354
      @iequinoxe9354 5 месяцев назад +1

      5 Games
      Warframe
      Wayfinder
      EAFC
      Palworld
      The Finals

    • @Adel-sj4ue
      @Adel-sj4ue 5 месяцев назад

      @@iequinoxe9354 and u noticed a bug fps differ by using this method than before????

    • @iequinoxe9354
      @iequinoxe9354 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Adel-sj4ue 120 -> 190 fps in Warframe as Host I would say

    • @Adel-sj4ue
      @Adel-sj4ue 5 месяцев назад

      @@iequinoxe9354 waw thats huge man
      What board do u use??
      As some said they cant find the option to lower the cores frequancies in thier biis??

  • @darioxone
    @darioxone 4 месяца назад

    i've got an NZXT B650E and i do NOT have such an option, how can i fix?

    • @vadski3469
      @vadski3469 Месяц назад

      bios driver latest update

    • @darioxone
      @darioxone Месяц назад

      Where it is i still cannot find it after the update ​@@vadski3469

  • @christofferjensen2850
    @christofferjensen2850 8 месяцев назад +3

    I have 7900x3d but i dont have any option to change Per core or anybting.. x670 aorus mbo

    • @mikem9536
      @mikem9536 5 месяцев назад

      Process Lasso is a better solution anyways.

  • @Birch19547
    @Birch19547 9 месяцев назад +2

    Does anyone know how exactly to do this on an Aorus B650 ELITE AX? I cannot for the life of me find any setting to do Per-Core clock limiting/clock manipulation

  • @zehpalhares3992
    @zehpalhares3992 Месяц назад

    it works, but isnt leaving clock speed on the table from the non 3D cores? mine are recommended 5645 but i,m capping at 5100

  • @christofferjensen9872
    @christofferjensen9872 3 месяца назад

    i dont have this limit feature on my x670 gigabyte aorus elite ax.. what to do

  • @dylandejongh8512
    @dylandejongh8512 6 месяцев назад

    my asus x670e-f has some sorta build in loader that loads optimized 3d core settings. all cores run above 5102mhz. I do have one of the lates bios versions though. I have not tested the performance difference I only see that my 4090 is the bottleneck in my system in nearly all games.

  • @Limpoholyc
    @Limpoholyc 6 месяцев назад +1

    I've looked everywhere I don't know how to do it in aorus bios :(

  • @Isaiiahii
    @Isaiiahii 9 месяцев назад +2

    It seems ASRock doesn't have this setting in BIOS. I have a high end X670E ASRock board, but I do not see this setting anywhere.

    • @Daniel-kl9qj
      @Daniel-kl9qj 8 месяцев назад

      Same, I have b650e and also cannot find it.

    • @Isaiiahii
      @Isaiiahii 8 месяцев назад

      I guess we ASRock board users are left out :(@@Daniel-kl9qj

  • @JespeRCompeX
    @JespeRCompeX 7 месяцев назад +1

    7900x3D here. So core 0-5 is the 3D Cache Cores for sure?. Another question i have as a problem...When setting Core 6-12 in bios to 5050 and Core 0-5 to 5600Mhz ALL the cores will only run 5050Mhz. Are they somehow sync. ?

    • @christianprice9832
      @christianprice9832 6 месяцев назад +1

      The cores on ccd0 - cache cores - peak at 5250 under ideal thermal conditions

  • @bball0928
    @bball0928 10 месяцев назад +4

    For gaming specifically, how much performance increase would the 7950X3D have over the 7800X3D assuming the fix is applied?

    • @RetroJaysFTW
      @RetroJaysFTW 10 месяцев назад

      Great question, I also want to know.

    • @nossy232323
      @nossy232323 9 месяцев назад

      In most cases about 2% as the clocks of the V Cache chiplet of the 7950X3D are a tiny bit higher than the 7800X3D.

    • @bball0928
      @bball0928 9 месяцев назад

      Gotcha, so assuming you are doing 0 production work with the CPU and will only be gaming it is a no brainer to grab the 7800X3D@@nossy232323

    • @nossy232323
      @nossy232323 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@bball0928 Yeah, but I also do serious work on my PC, so I got a 7950X3D.

    • @bball0928
      @bball0928 9 месяцев назад

      @@nossy232323 makes total sense! I’m glad this fix allows 7950X3D users to get the most out of their CPU no matter what they are using it for

  • @butosai2539
    @butosai2539 9 месяцев назад

    Should core 1 to 8 be left on auto?

  • @xVertigo101
    @xVertigo101 8 месяцев назад

    What's the option called on Asrock motherboards?

  • @manuelespinoza7500
    @manuelespinoza7500 4 месяца назад

    In my PC send me a message: “ The recommended value is based on parameters of your setup with the current settings of Extreme Tweaker Menu.” It is in enable mode, but I can’t change the frecuency

  • @Joefiery
    @Joefiery 10 месяцев назад

    What about on a nzxt motherboard I wasn’t able to find it at all

  • @Nate_9898
    @Nate_9898 7 месяцев назад

    Seems like my MSI x670e Tomahawk doesn’t have this option, or at least I can’t find it. Anybody have a solution?

  • @nervy_-pubgtwitchnervy_-7346
    @nervy_-pubgtwitchnervy_-7346 3 месяца назад

    thanks bro up to 30% perfomance
    +fps

    • @officialyashvirgaming
      @officialyashvirgaming 2 месяца назад

      bro how do i identify which cores are 5250, which one to put 5050
      which one are x3d cores from 0 to 8 right ?

  • @mateuszbojanowski2852
    @mateuszbojanowski2852 7 месяцев назад

    can you post a tutorial of your oc for this processor?

  • @petrivilenius8997
    @petrivilenius8997 2 месяца назад

    So what clocks would be good for 7900x3d?

  • @maxzoRHD
    @maxzoRHD 7 месяцев назад +7

    I mean it makes sense, i would love a 7900x3d over a 7800x3d. But im kinda being put off with all the comments about gaming preformance, would this apply for all games etc ? No issues ?

  • @LiftingEasy747
    @LiftingEasy747 Месяц назад

    i cant seem to find any setting on my asrock motherboard :( what do i do

  • @metalmeltdown31
    @metalmeltdown31 8 месяцев назад

    Has anyone tested this on games like Fortnite and Warzone? I use process lasso to lock the games to my cache CCDs, but I wonder if this would help as well.

  • @kingeling
    @kingeling Месяц назад +1

    Good fix but using Process Lasso would be better as it won't slow the 32MB CCD down.

    • @juicychris738
      @juicychris738 27 дней назад

      Hi guy, what is process lasso? Will this allow you to use the entire 3d vcache (128 mb) in game?
      Thanks

  • @bomboclutch
    @bomboclutch 3 месяца назад

    where can i find this in msi x670e mobo ?

  • @iamnama999
    @iamnama999 2 месяца назад

    this is cool, but what about linux? ive never seen if this issue exists on there and if it can be fixed in the same way

  • @Mexi99
    @Mexi99 7 месяцев назад +1

    what happens if you have a curve of -30 would this option be better or the way you did it?

    • @Adel-sj4ue
      @Adel-sj4ue 5 месяцев назад

      How undervolting would help ??
      Have u tried it?

    • @Mexi99
      @Mexi99 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Adel-sj4ue not sure if what he said is trued i tested it on 5 7950x3d with same specs and i didnt see that much perforamnce gains like he said. He tends to have alot of click bait apparenlty i dunno

  • @Shodaog
    @Shodaog 4 месяца назад

    Yo anyone in here using a rog stix with the 7950x3d with a negative offset? What llc are you using?

  • @TheXev
    @TheXev 10 месяцев назад +2

    I want to get more information on this issue.
    Have you updated your chipset drivers along with updating the Game Bar using the Microsoft Store? Are you using a custom Windows image or a vanilla Windows installation?

    • @GraphicallyChallenged
      @GraphicallyChallenged  10 месяцев назад +1

      Yes. W11 latest build.

    • @Kindachi08
      @Kindachi08 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@GraphicallyChallenged so going into Game Bar and clicking the “remember this is a game” box while the game is in the active window not working properly?

    • @farminglol
      @farminglol 10 месяцев назад +7

      @@Kindachi08 The fact that Game Bar is even involved in this is pure insanity. Downclocking the cores is the obvious solution to never deal with this garbage.

    • @farminglol
      @farminglol 10 месяцев назад +4

      Actually to make the point clearly. A normal user will never know that this is even a thing, so they will always have degraded performance. Designing a product in a way that only experienced users who care about hardware topics get the advertised performance is stupid. AMD should never have done it this way, what a way to ruin a perfectly good CPU.

    • @gordonfreimann
      @gordonfreimann 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@farminglolits not the amds fault entirely. windows choses which core to utilize. windows is in favor of intel it seems

  • @georgiostriantafillidis3708
    @georgiostriantafillidis3708 2 месяца назад

    I dont find the seting i have Gigabyte B650 gaming x ax with FA2 bios

  • @mihnea2.0turbo98
    @mihnea2.0turbo98 4 месяца назад

    Hey bro should i do that for 5800x3d ? if yes do u have an ideea how much should i decrease the non 3d core freq ,,, should i calculate the percent u did and apply the same value % to my 5800x3d?

    • @clinten3131
      @clinten3131 3 месяца назад +1

      the 5800x3d uses 3d vcache on all cores you dont have to do anything

  • @mapscorp
    @mapscorp 10 месяцев назад +1

    Did you got on AMD CBS - SMU Common Options - CPPC Dynamic Preferred Cores - Cache before, then still not work?

    • @GraphicallyChallenged
      @GraphicallyChallenged  10 месяцев назад +1

      That doesn’t work.

    • @mapscorp
      @mapscorp 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@GraphicallyChallenged f... AMD experience i saw Bang4BuckPC Gamer benchmark he have "same" spec hardware, on his monitoring that CPPC seems to be working, i don't know, i ask him to confirm

    • @GraphicallyChallenged
      @GraphicallyChallenged  10 месяцев назад +1

      Even when it’s on it doesn’t always work.

  • @philmen8
    @philmen8 7 месяцев назад +7

    Wouldn't Process Lasso be a better solution in this case? You can pretty much tell a specific application to use certain cores and not have to lower the clocks on the seconds ccd.

    • @albanjmt7602
      @albanjmt7602 7 месяцев назад

      I totally agree, there is Process Lasso tutorials about that

    • @RNG-999
      @RNG-999 6 месяцев назад +6

      Yes. You can run your non-X3D core at 5.9Ghz and your X3D core at 5.450Ghz while using Process Lasso.
      This is just a completely garbage video in comparison to Process Lasso.
      "No performance decrease"???? BULLSHIT LMFAO. He limits his entire CPU to 5.1Ghz, like wtf????

    • @danielflores4821
      @danielflores4821 6 месяцев назад

      Can you share the link to that tutorial?

  • @oldschool_bamagatrader9960
    @oldschool_bamagatrader9960 8 месяцев назад

    thanks for the video .. what i saw is an overclock but what about undervolting ? any expert here to enlighten us ?

  • @Adel-sj4ue
    @Adel-sj4ue 8 месяцев назад +7

    Please i have a question
    After the fix when compared to 7800x3d
    Does it give equal or better results than the 7800x3d???

    • @CWWJR
      @CWWJR 5 месяцев назад +3

      Yes. Many videos on this. Its only about 1-2% better though. Margin of error

  • @franzhizon9112
    @franzhizon9112 4 месяца назад

    My 7900x has a different core values. From 1-6 it is set much lower and the last 3-4 are lower tho. Should I still apply the same numbers?

    • @deuswulf6193
      @deuswulf6193 4 месяца назад

      No, this only applies to a x3D CPU. A 7900x is fine as is.

  • @AndrewB23
    @AndrewB23 10 месяцев назад

    If you have x3d chips use process lasso

  • @xVertigo101
    @xVertigo101 9 месяцев назад +30

    I just wanted to say I saw a substantial improvement!
    I went from 38FPS in 3Dmark Timespy to 56 FPS!
    I gained 1033 3Dmark timespy score.
    Timespy before tweak 16,996
    Timespy after tweak 18029
    CPU FPS before tweak 40.99
    CPU FPS after tweak 55.33
    CPU paired with 64GB G.Skill Z5 memory CL36 & RTX 3080 10gb

  • @arcosin3603
    @arcosin3603 10 месяцев назад

    I don't find that option in Asrock X670E Taichi

  • @NippleSauce
    @NippleSauce 10 месяцев назад +2

    5050 is the default value for those cores on my 7800X3D. At least it is with my motherboard =D.

    • @OlavAlexanderMjelde
      @OlavAlexanderMjelde 9 месяцев назад

      Not sure if I understood you, but he does not clock down his 3d vcache cores, so they are still 5250 Mhz.

    • @NippleSauce
      @NippleSauce 9 месяцев назад +1

      That's alright. I have the 7800X3D - which doesn't have the same CPU architecture/layout. So, the cores mentioned in this that go to 5250 do not exist on my CPU. 5050 is the default maximum average clock speed (with -50mV undervolt).

    • @mugnasson
      @mugnasson 8 месяцев назад

      @@NippleSauce on the 7800X3D you only have the Cache CCD. You do NOT need to do anything, your CPU is always performing at it's peak. This is for those with 7950X3Ds which is basically a 7800X3D with a 7700X bolted to it - you want the games to prioritize the X3D "part" of the CPU to get maximum performance.
      I haven't tried it, I use 'ze lasso, but I thought it sounded like a creative fix. :)

    • @officialyashvirgaming
      @officialyashvirgaming 2 месяца назад

      @@mugnasson bro how do i identify which cores are 5250, which one to put 5050
      which one are x3d cores from 0 to 8 right ?

  • @Joyboy-nl4hk
    @Joyboy-nl4hk 8 месяцев назад

    Whats the programm called you are using to check the different cores at the beginning?

  • @TheBigBlueMarble
    @TheBigBlueMarble 2 месяца назад

    The price on the 7900X3D has dropped again and it is less than the 7800X3D on Amazon. With a little bit of configuration in the BIOS or Process Lasso, you can get the 7900X3D to run about the same speed as the 7800X3D while gaming and faster than the 7800X3D in productivity tasks. Same 120W TDP.

  • @evilrck
    @evilrck 4 месяца назад +1

    process lasso?

  • @WaLLy_
    @WaLLy_ 4 месяца назад +1

    Double check Windows game mode is enabled. The cpu uses that to determine what applications are games and reallocates to use the propper X3D cores. Dont go playing in the BIOS and limit cores. Something else is probably not configured. This is not a solution but a bad work around.

  • @gruiadevil
    @gruiadevil 10 месяцев назад +42

    Sounds to me like a Microsoft problem and their POS Windows

    • @GSP-76
      @GSP-76 10 месяцев назад +5

      Its a scheduler related issue but it's not Microsoft's issue. AMD needs to address it in their chipset drivers for the 3D CPUs. Its not Microsoft's job to address customizations of a particular CPU. AMD and Intel give Microsoft direction on how to use the scheduler to take advantage of their CPUs the way they want. I have the 7950x3D and it has gotten better with new chipset drivers. AMD Zjust needs to stay on top of it. No different than when they release new video card drivers for new games.

    • @EyasD04
      @EyasD04 10 месяцев назад

      we'll have to wait and see if Linux wizards manage to drop a plug and play fix that does an even better job. Proton and Wine have really been doing some magic lately to fix all the weird stuff.

    • @gruiadevil
      @gruiadevil 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@GSP-76
      You're just like my Ex: "If you loved me, you wouldn't have to ask what's wrong with me"
      :)))
      When you launch an application, the Operating System needs to tell the CPU what type of application that is.
      Is it something that is highly multithreaded? Is it a game? Is it a production application?
      The OS KNOWS which chip is inside your system. It should KNOW what to say to the chip.
      Unfortunately, if the OS doesn't recognise BG3 as a game, because it's a new game, the cores with the vertically stacked cache won't get used.
      The CPU does whatever the OS tells it to do. The responsability of managing resources falls on the OS. Not the Chip.
      The chipset-drivers are just there to ensure that your Mobo will boot up your CPU and Clock accordingly to spec.

    • @Hardcore_Remixer
      @Hardcore_Remixer 10 месяцев назад

      ​​@@GSP-76 But then why do people have to switch to Windows 11 to get better performance on Intel CPUs with 2 types of cores? Is it not chipset related or can Microsoft only fix that issue for Intel?
      I think the issue is that AMD simply dropped this problem out of the blue while Intel has announced their mixed cores 12th architecture about 3 or even 4 years before releasing it.
      AMD literally said they put the 3D V-cache only on one CCX because there was no increase in performance when going from 8 to 16 cores.

    • @SiLva_SuRfa
      @SiLva_SuRfa 10 месяцев назад

      Brain rot haha

  • @samfan8685
    @samfan8685 4 месяца назад

    I dont get this option in my auros bios :(

  • @HimouraTheBatosai
    @HimouraTheBatosai 7 месяцев назад +1

    could you not achieve the same effect by setting core affinities in task manager?

    • @sunwalker2438
      @sunwalker2438 4 месяца назад

      for every game all the time?

    • @sunwalker2438
      @sunwalker2438 4 месяца назад +1

      better with a tool like Process Lasso

  • @F4cebreaker
    @F4cebreaker 5 месяцев назад

    Can’t find that command in MSI bios😢

  • @maanka
    @maanka 2 месяца назад

    how to overclock using this motherboard MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI

  • @BenjaminRay
    @BenjaminRay 10 месяцев назад

    Not sure why this is needed. After following AMD's recommended setup, CCD1 is automatically parked when playing a game, forcing the game & background processes to CCD0. Works for me every time. Maybe I'm missing something?

    • @GraphicallyChallenged
      @GraphicallyChallenged  10 месяцев назад

      It doesn’t always work.

    • @TechRIP
      @TechRIP 10 месяцев назад

      Have you tried Baulders Gate to compare it to this video and work around?

    • @officialyashvirgaming
      @officialyashvirgaming 2 месяца назад

      @@GraphicallyChallenged bro how do i identify which cores are 5250, which one to put 5050
      which one are x3d cores from 0 to 8 right ?

  • @QUAN.410
    @QUAN.410 8 месяцев назад

    ITS NOT LETTING CHANGE THE CORES WHAT DO I DO