I have heard two sentences spoken very clearly to me at different times just before waking: 1. “You can’t drive the physical mind, but you can drive the consciousness.” 2. “You can change the world, but you already fully have.” It took me a good while to understand these sentences. I find them both fascinating. It’s astonishing to me that I heard them so clearly ‘word for word’ yet I didn’t understand them initially.
I asked my characters the time and date and they got really upset. I asked why they said because they are in a different time zone it’s not the same as us. I asked if they where real and they said yes. They are just in a different dimension and said when we sleep we go there. It was a pretty cool and crazy dream.
@user-nl3oi5wr1n this is super common if you ask this question. People actually report horrifying demonic level reactions or simply getting put in a dream prison or interrogation room against there will where they must agree to never ask that.
If you read Alice In wonderland, there’s a weird fixation around time. There’s no time there and I think that’s what triggers them. I think they also get angry bc asking date and time figures them out.
I remember I was walking down a street in my dream and I was thinking okay so this is a dream right? And a character passing by casually said "yep" 😂 I found that hilarious.
That's why it's called your subconscious- the dream characters are projections of the subconscious, so you are not consciously aware of all the things they seem to know, but the mind is so expansive that it has projected the entire dreamworld, including all those characters and you are only consciously aware of a tiny sliver, not even 1% at first. As you become more lucid, you are aware of more and more of your mind, which is why you can start to control of influence parts of your dream. Just because dream characters seem to know things you are not consciously aware of, doesn't mean they are "aware" or conscious of the dream the way you are. The only one who is aware and seeing the dream is the dreamer (the "I" - observer behind the dream character you seem to be playing)
@@perssontm1628 - I think that dream was my subconscious punishing my ego for attempting to destroy the universe and then my ego trying to create a new one.
I had about 20 short lucid dreams back to back. In them I had three reoccurring dream characters (one of them a nightmarish hag) that followed me from dream to dream. One of them, by the last dream, was blown away that I remembered his name he told me a couple dreams beforehand. His name was Gileon (which I looked up and is a real name, but I'm pretty sure I've never heard in my life.). I asked him what this place was (the dream). He told me 'She' thinks I already know. I asked who 'she' was, turns out it's his wife, Rozita. I don't remember much more of the conversation except that he told me that his first memory was me at the age of 10.
That is insane!!!!!!!!! As a beginner i'm still trying to lucid dream and also as an adventurer i am really looking forward for those insane lucid dreams:)
It's really cool to think about the fact that the characters in our dreams could have their own thoughts so to speak. Because it's like.. I'm dreaming this dream, right? How are you in my head with your own thoughts and actions!?!? Crazy stuff. Love it. Looking forward to more!
After learning about dissociate identity disorder, nothing surprises me about the ability of our brains. There's just so much we don't know that's packed away in our minds. And we only understand the basics or what seems tangible.
I have always had lucid dreams and fall into them naturally, generally a couple of times a month. Sometimes I feel that i am about to astral project and say a mantra as i feel I am leaving the body and lifting off. They are now very powerful and i can stay in the dream for long periods by holding my hands in front of my face. Sometimes i find a mirror and study my reflection which is quite a surreal experience. IMHO the dream reality in a lucid dream is just as real as the reality frame we live in whilst awake and that the characters are living within their own world. It is just a different conscious state that we are reaching with our minds. Similarly, our daily reality simply fades as a dream does when you wake up every morning and we also just fade away.
That is very interesting. I think any sort of focus on one's hands will be effective at maintaining the lucid state, since so much of our sensory perception is focused on them. I always recommend rubbing one's palms together. Same principle. It keeps the dream-body active mentally, and prevents one from 'switching over' to the physical body as the center of conscious body-representation.
I had a few lucid dreams where I ask the people I am with if they know that they aren’t real/ is in a dream, unfortunately they either avoid the question or just doesn’t say anything and just stares at me in a creepy looking way, but a few months ago I had this dream where everything felt so real that I thought I was in some sort of alternative reality, the people I talked to in that dream where very much open to the idea when I was showing prof and convincing them that I was not from their world, what amazes me even more is that they where showing me some of their stuff that we don’t have here in reality, when I woke up I was so convinced that where in a alternative universe that I couldn’t stop thinking about it for a week. Lucid dreaming is truly amazing and such a mystery! And thank you for making this video btw!
I have had very similar experiences where I show them proof that I am in a dream and ask them what the date is etc. Some look at me weirdly. Some have had interesting conversations with me and they have been shocked that I am supposedly from another world and I am just in a dream. When I wake up, I can't remember what they said. It seems so real. I think I have been in another world.
It is fair to say that in this field, we as a society are overall just scratching the surface of the phenomenon we try to understand. I used to spend quite a bit of time with dreams when I was around 20. The key element appears to be to do a dream diary. I learned a lot of things back then. For instance: When you wake up, it is essential to be very disciplined at not moving your body the least bit at first. When you wake up, you still have your maximum access to your dream memory. But once you move your physical body, that memory is getting lost within seconds. So what you do is: You wake up, stay still - and recall as much of your dreams as you can, or want. This act of „recalling“ the dream can be equated to copying a file from a usb-stick to a hard-drive. Once you have recalled those dreams, you are free to move your body, and the memory of the dreams are „secured“ and will stay with you. Then write them down in your dream diary. Anyways - through putting more of a mental focus on these things, I guess I became more aware in this area of my existence. So one thing that started to happen was that I was - while still in the dream - becoming aware that I was about to wake up. In one extreme experience, I noticed I was about to wake up - but unlike in „normal“ dreams, I found myself in the physical world, in the house I lived in, in between the neighboring room and mine. I was - as „energy“, I suppose, passing through a wall, and approaching my physical body that was laying in bed. While that was happening, I had total spacial awareness, i.e. I „saw“ everything around me, unlike like looking through eyes. I felt drawn to my body by a magnetic force. While I was returning to my body, I felt various interesting sensations, as if my body had it‘s own, layered energy field that was affecting me. I found that extremely interesting and wanted to further investigate, so I tried to slow down my return into my body. But the pulling force was too strong - and exactly like with magnets, it rose exponentially, the closer I got - until I was suddenly in - BAM! So what I see is that while I was sleeping, I (as in my soul) had left my physical body, and gone somewhere else. Where had I gone? I don’t know. What had happened there? I don’t know. Traditionally, we think of our dreams as products of our own imagination. I would like to challenge that concept. SOME dreams clearly are just that - but others may not. There is a man by the name of Jürgen Ziewe, who has investigated what he calls the astral dimensions for decades. He’s a very humble person and does not make much fuzz about himself. He can provide a TON of fascinating insights. SOME of our „dreams“ may, in fact be experiences and journeys in these astral dimensions. And there, we may indeed encounter entities that exist OUTSIDE of our own identity. They would, of course then also have an awareness of their own. Later in life, I spent time doing training in clairvoyance. I am by now 100% convinced that souls continue to exist after what we call death. While sleeping, I have encountered on at least three occasions people I knew and who had passed. I find it very well possible that it was their souls whom I met. If souls exist, and if their existence is not tied to their connection to a physical body, a physical brain, then this opens up a whole new perspective that ought to be considered. In any case, to you curious people out there: I wish you fun and amazing insights in your OWN experiences „out there“! 🙂👍🏼 Cheers.
I think it’s an astral plane where all entities are able to communicate, mingle, teach one another, what I don’t understand is why asking the time and date is such a big deal. It’s interesting that you mention that others in the dream state are aware the dreamer is dreaming before the dreamer realized it. The disturbing part is why isn’t the opposite true, or is it just when we are lucid dreaming we are not “connected” to this part. Tiktokers when asking the date and time in the lucid dream state experienced a immediate “hive” response where every character within their “dream” went after them to try to kick them out of the dream state, many were bumped into a different dream space, or a dream space mimicking their real life in order to trick them into believing they are awake or a sleep paralysis state, most people reported their faces changing, being told they are not suppose to ask that question, it’s just crazy at the similarities between stories, to the point where you pretty much have to rule it out as coincidence. Have you looked into this phenomenon yet? If not is it something that will be looked at further?
Fascinating theory! As my philosophical approach is that of holistic panpsychism, I think there might be a way to understand "astral plane" from that established point of view.
I think if the people on tiktok read such responses of others, it wouldn't be wild if they had similar dreams. When I read a captivating book, I might also dream about the aspects I loved, but I'd never write it down for inspiration, because I know where it's from and I don't want to steal from another person's hard work. Also, some people get engrossed in the topic, read a lot about it and simply lie about their "experiences", especially true for some from the cluster B category, at least from my experience. They can be very convincing, imaginative liers then.
Last night I had a dream. I was going down a street and someone warned me about how dangerous that street was. Then a lady, that I just by my side said: "No it is not, this is just a dream". I looked around and realised that yes, it was. I usually have some sort of lucid dreams but every time I notice it I wake up, but this time I stayed awake. I asked her how did she know it was a lucid dream, she said it was because she was lucid dreaming too. So I asked if she was in my dream, she said she didn't know. We then decided to spend some time together. We asked about each other's lives. We build explored mountain. We agreed to meet again. I told her about my problem about always waking up when noticing the lucid dream. She told me to research about it and here I am. Funny thing you say that the character realising we are dreaming before we are, because that was exactly how it happened. So, someone invaded my dream or it was just a very interactive character?
My father (66 years old) has been lucid dreaming for many years. He has told me countless lucid dreams he has experienced. The one that sticks out to me the most is he thought he was in some German city. (We are in USA) Usually, he says once he realizes he s dreaming; entities will also know he is dreaming and attack him. Usually in the form of a siren or some evil woman. Well during this German city lucid dream that happened and this lady started piercingly screaming at him. He claimed he powered his body through walls of buildings, breaking them and pushing through wall after wall. After a while of running through walls he met a European man. My dad got his name and where he was born and other information about the man. He wrote it down many years ago but we can't find the information. He has claimed to met this man numerous times in other lucid dreams and the man always remembers their encounters, as does my Father. Sorry for the rambling, but did you ever figure out what this can mean?
@@slurpshit That's is very cool that your dad actually tried to find the person. I would be afraid they think I'm a mad woman! 😅 Also, these entities hunting him sounds like a horrible nightmare. Here is what happened after that... Every time I had a lucid dream I would try to find her, but as before, I keep waking up just after realising I am dreaming. In the start of December I started having problems with my meditation sessions. I was feeling like I was having an out-body experience and, I did not enjoy that feeling. I was seeing things that I could not make out and I could not really say if I was falling asleep and lucid dreaming during the meditation or reaching nirvana but in any way it was starting to freak me out, so I decided to take a break from meditation for a week. That same week I had this dream (not exactly lucid)... I was on what I believe was a mansion, that seemed to work as a boarding school; I wad walking around it trying to find my teacher. (I didn't understand what I was doing there, all I knew was that I was lost and looking for my teacher) I went to a side of this place that was empty, there I found a massive staircase that would lead me downstairs, it had a big bronze chandelier hanging in te middle of it. At the bottom of the stairs I could see that there was a corridor to each side of the building. (So essentially this staircase ended on a dark green wall with two side exit). Half way down the stair there she was, the same girl, sitting there with a dog (a female German Shepherd). She didn't notice me, but I knew it was her because of her hair. When I got close and said hi, she stares at me. The dog started crying and at the same time I ask, do you study here? Before I can finish she disappeared. I looked ahead (behind the chandelier on a area of the wall I couldn't see before because it was so big that blocked the view) and I see her feet and dress. She was hang by her neck, her skin was fairly dry as if she was there, dead for a while. I didn't look at her face. The feet and dress was enough to know it was her. I pat the dog's head (she kept crying), ran down the stairs and took the right exit, because I didn't want to walk underneath her body. In the end of the corridor I found a room with some teachers, my teacher was also there. He told me I should be calling him professor and not teacher. In complete shock, I asked what happened on the staircase, he said that she killed herself there and they left her body there to make companion for the dog. I told him I saw her ghost. He asked me if I didn't know she was dead, and why I was so shocked. I asked him what did he mean and what he expected. He dismissed me saying "well she always told everyone she would do it, what were you doing on that wing of the building anyway." I mentioned I was lost and was trying to find him. He said something like "If I am not in our class room, I am in this room, you know it well. Apparently she is just trying to let you know now". I asked where was the exist, he says "this is the exit". I saw a door, I walked out and outside I recognised the road I used to live when I was a teenager. Then I woke up thinking of an old friend. I contacted him, he is a "voodoo priest" I know in Brazil. He is a leader in a Candomblé temple, super sensitive to supernatural stuff, and he always told me I am too, even though I avoid it like the plague. I grew up in a family with religious fanaticism and although I am the black sheep that left the church and abandoned the religion when I was 12yo, I am still quite scared of everything my family judged as wrong and evil. Last year I did find out that my ancestors were Bantu, that is part of Candomblé. Anyway, sorry me for the rambling but... He explained to me that if I kept trying to find her in my lucid dreams, this could be exactly what I was searching for. He cannot say if she is dead or if that is how she died but he told me to interpret that as an ending anyway and stop trying to find her. He also mentioned that it is common for people to contact after death but it is usually to someone in their family and not too long after death. The body looked old and we are not related. And that maybe she was just trying to let me know as the professor mentioned in the dream. He told me to not dismiss the dream because he always sensed this sensitivity on me, reminded me that dreams have meaning and told me to take this dream as I want to. ------------- the end------------ I am starting to accept that I am more connected to the supernatural than I would like to be, and that there is more to it than I will ever know. I personally think she is dead. That she lead me there to let me know but she could not communicate to me, maybe because of the time or because I am not that open to the supernatural realm, and that is why she disappeared when I made questions. The dream felt too real and too clear to not be true. A few years ago I went to this haunted house in Ireland (Loftus Hall) and there in front of around 20 people I had a supernatural experience, my husband was there and to this day he jokes saying that they paid me to do that or they hypnotised me by spiking the tea I bought there. The act is that we cannot explain why my arms started to float and I started to move as if I was dancing on a ball in the 19th century. (I would tell you more but it is another long story) I just say I am a bit of a witch (a green witch, because I am too scared of dark magic 🤣 ). Anyway, sorry for the ebook. Take care.
One of my favorite personal lucid dreams: Me: extends (dreambody) hand for handshake as I introduce myself. Dream Character: fist bumps instead of handshake. Me: where were you before I arrived here? Dream Character: I was wondering the same thing about you. He went on to explain that he had been driving an RV around a curve and "...boom! I ended up here."
I always have lucid dreams, I had one recently where me an a party of people were all jumping around a large trampoline in circles higher and higher, when I realized i was dreaming and began to jump up really high and fly a little bit at the top of my jump. Well this angered one of the dream characters who was a bully type guy and he started chasing me around and even hit me. He kept saying "Hey this isn't fair, why does he get to fly and I don't" lol I knew I was dreaming, but his punches hurt and I flew away at the speed of light. I've interviewed hundreds of dream characters, I tell them you are in my dream and they never believe me until I prove it to them and fly around. Some of the reactions on their faces are utter shock. Some will believe it, some won't. I'll hear hit songs on the radio or tv in my dreams. Just the other day I was dreaming and I heard this Grateful Dead song and the chorus went like this "Because Maybe we couldn’t let you, but somehow I just think that we must try!"
I just woke up from a lucid dream then this was the first video on my feed😂. When I realised I was dreaming i stopped stressing about the thing I was stressing about, turned to the person I was ranting too and asked him his name( dreaming me somehow knew him, but woke me had no clue who it was was), we shook hands and he confessed he did not know his name because it was just a dream and the dreamer hadn't given him one. I told him I hadn't realised I gave him no name. He said I didn't create him but my brother, who I saw run through my dream very briefly, did. Our dreams had murged and my brother had subconsciously created this character as one of my friends for me. I asked dream guy if he would like me to give him a name, he agreed to it. I named him olly and he looked happy about it. We stayed woundering my dream together untill I woke up I know that he very likely was made up by my subconscious, and not my brothers, but I find it very cool that subconscious me was able to spin that story on the spot.
@@ippokratisklimis I am actually dreaming. I realize that I am, and I started to remember how I got here. I am currently under hypnosis from another "reality". So, basically the same thing. I am what they call #SeriouslyWoke 😂
I recently went to the dream world and became lucid. There was a blonde lady behind a desk. I asked her what today's date is. She said there is no date. Time is different here. Then I woke up. I'm starting to think they may be people that live there, and there are certain rules to follow, and we are just visitors there.
I also like how you used the word conjure. Conjuring something doesn't mean creating it, rather it generally means making a connection and summoning it. I've often had dreams that felt like I was living a day in the life of someone totally different, for example, a young woman who was in the military, and at the end of these, I didn't feel that the dream had created the woman's life or status quo, but rather that it had temporarily formed a connection between my consciousness and the woman in the dream. This isn't as far off as it sounds, as we do this regularly with stories: we step into another life, and experience it vicariously for a while, then come out of the experience with empathy and understanding of that person.
Absolutely. And there are dreams where the dreamer is a disembodied consciousness floating around. Sometimes we are dreaming and we see ourselves walking around doing various things. Some lucid dreamers develop a technique of character hopping--deliberately floating "into" another character's body and experiencing the narrative from the other character's point of view.
One time I was having a very potent dream, that almost seemed to be “sent” to me. I’m not sure how to describe the feeling. But to confirm this feeling, in the dream, I wanted to ask one of the dream characters something I know I wouldn’t know, and as I had just sat down in a chair next to somebody, I asked him how to say sit in Chinese. (I have zero knowledge of Chinese). He said something like zoo-ah, all as one syllable. Amazingly, this is in fact correct. To this day, I’m not exactly sure what to make of that…
I had a similar dream were I met a Japanese person and he asked me "Nihongo ga hanashimasuka?" (Which mean do you speak japanese?) And I replied "Hai!" Happily. I was so excited that i could fianaly talk to a native japanese person. Which his blank face immediately turned to a huge smile and then he told me all about his day or whatever. Eventually I found myself getting lost in his very long sentence (Since i'm just at intermediate level and I could barely understand native japanese conversations.) So just like I would in real life I just shook my head and pretended to listen. Eventually he said bye and we bowed to each other then he left with a big smile. He was a cool guy and I def would talk to him again but in English this time lol
I had a dream where I was aware of myself but also seeing my self sleeping and having a nightmare in same dream , I tried to awake that other myself from nightmare telling that myself wake up its only nightmare don't be afraid just wake up. That dream scared me so much that I truly thought something is wrong with me.
Nosso subconsciente é um sentinela. Sempre atento às coisas qiq nos pode fazer mal. Mas é parte nossa. Mas muitos levam isso para o misticismo. É uma pena. Quando vc conversa no seu sonho com um personagem, está na verdade, conversando com seu subconsciente. E quando vc percebe que é um sonho, tu não confia mais neste personagem, e agora ele é um inimigo que pode te atacar.
I've had a self aware dream where it wasn't lucid. The dream was aware, i was aware yet it wasn't lucid dreaming. I asked the dream person a personal question and it answered truthfully. I find it really interesting
Me too ffs now I’m scared Also I assumed they are from parallel universes not from my actual mind I don’t want sharing my mind lol far out get outtttaaa my head omfg 🤬
Great video. Through my time in lucid dreaming practice, I've found it strange how a large majority of other people seem to have "weak" dream characters. They're either boring, aggressive, or have predicable responses. Never with my characters. Even before the my best lucid dreams with persistent characters, which are the most grounded characters out of any of my dreams, they have always been unique. Fun. And it's a shame that as of right now there's absolutely no way to describe it better than that. I really was thinking if I had access to a REM communication device, my first study would be about live projecting dream characters (the "strong willed" kind which aren't easily influenced) into a real space. Somewhat similar to Tholey's study, I get lucid and go into a room with one of the guys, awake person asks a question, character responds, I return the response. It would technically be like a completely different person at that point. Is just a fantasy though until I get the right budget, haha.
i remember a dream i had when i was around 5 or 6, and i walked up to my mother, and decided to ask her if i was dreaming, even if i knew i was dreaming, and she said no, which really spooked me as a kid
While dreaming, I told my mom she wasn't real and her face started morphing and distorting, she was screaming in what seemed like agony, and the world began shaking and falling apart. Has anyone had similar experiences?
I dreamed of my mother in the same way, except that she had already passed away two weeks before, but when I told her that she was not real, I only saw her sad
@@solarisorchestra8385why say that shi tho? I see that typa shi also but I just go with it cause it feels good to somewhat spend time with loved ones again even if it isn’t real
I was dreaming I can't really remember the situation I was in, it almost felt like an orphanage I've always been with my parents so I don't know what that feels like there were weird tapestries with symbols on them everywhere and it scared me, I asked a random girl in my dream wondering where my parents were she then said "up on the hill" I asked for directions and I followed her into a dark corridor where I saw more symbols then a strange figure with a mask surprised me and yelled blink twice I did and instantly woke up. I have goosebumps still.
(daytime) I knew it was a dream because everything was dim and I could feel my eyes opened and closed at the same time I remembered being at the my apartment but this wasn’t the same apartment it was a nicer apartment complex/park (it reminded me of my dad’s apartment but he never lived here before) i follow the sound of music in the park along with other people until we found the source of music it was a small group of people in the courtyard (sunset) we danced we laughed for a while it seemed (night) some people were lighting up (weed) i fell over trying to dance and avoid bumping into someone. we lauged and then the cops knocked on the back door (yes we are in a random house) 3 of them i was going to head out the party at the exact same time but was stopped by the cop as the other cops were banging on the side door he asked me if I smoke offering me a cigarette I laughed and said no but I vape he retorted with “you shouldn’t need that either they should be banned” I just laughed and said “oh well…” some party goers were outside with the cop and I, when I had the bright idea to pull a big brain Player One trick on the NPCs of my dream. I tried to get the cops attention but he was busy with something else next to me so i turned to a random party goer guy and said: “guess what?” he said what’s up “did you know that this reality is all just a dream?” he looked confused the cop next to me put his hand on my shoulder and said: “They don’t see it either, just look up…” I slowly look up with sudden dread and creepy music setting in and like a safety pod I ejected myself from the dream and woke up. this happened today and my heart was racing, my eyes get watery every time I read this lol
Wow that was a great video I have not heard about this study. I have often wondered about dream characters in one of my lucid dreams I stared into the eyes of a dream character and felt another consciousness it was a very powerful dream. I have experienced many different dream characters some seem 1 dimensional or give random answers while others seem to be fully featured individuals. In one of my lucid dreams there were many characters around and I was feeling quite powerful so I asked all dream characters to sit down and they all did apart from one dream character that just stood there. I was quite Shocked.
One time I asked one character in my dreams about a place and he signed something with his hand.. I don't know even a single sign form asl so I searched and searched and searched and when I found the sign he had told me the name of the city I live it was spooky
I knew someone very vaguely, only saw him a few times in the pub and didn't talk much. However, I dreamt I was at a party and he told me in the dream that his friend had taken a miniature galleon at a seaside resort, when very drunk at night, and sailed it around the marine lake. The guy had definitely not told me that in real life because I certainly would have remembered it. However, a few months later, I saw him again and he told me that very same story. Another one; I was seeing a girl for nearly 6 years, we were engaged, and I woke up one night after having dreamt that she was telling me she was leaving me, and we were having an argument by the road outside our house. Wind forward 12 months or so and that was the exact scene and argument when she broke the news to me, in the exact same place as in the dream.
I had a lucid dream very recently in which I ended up in a train in the middle of space and I witnessed my daily thoughts generate into different characters and come inside the train through a portal, the environment was very horrific. Some dream characters avoided me despite my attempts to speak to them, some were only interacting with each other and the ones that were willing to reply to me seemed very very and I cannot stress this enough, strong minded. I tried to get every ones attention in the middle of the train in order to directly speak to my subconscious mind since I’ve heard that’s where things you don’t know about yourself hide. After one only answered 2 personal questions about me and ignored the follow up question with a laugh, in an attempt to persuade them to speak to me again I stated “ I’m the host of this body, the least you all can do is respect me and answer my questions.” The character that previously answered the questions looked back at me and said “ If you’re not happy I’d be glad to take your place.” I told it no I am happy near-calmly but inside I was kind of freaking out The character signaled backing off with it’s hands but the shock caused me to wake up. This was one of my strangest lucid dream experiences.
Internal Family Systems therapy , based on analyzing mental faculties as if they are beings which you talk to. It's a pretty surprising process. I think that is just how human mentality works. We confuse ourselves by thinking our internal dialog is us.
Interesting video. I have only ever had one lucid dream but that was several years ago. Nonetheless, a few points: 1. If something is conjuring up the dream characters then could it be conjuring up you the dream character? 2. Perhaps, it was always you conjuring up both your dream character and the characters you meet. Except you didn't know it. 3. How do you know that in the waking state your waking character is not conjured up, but is the real you? 4. Deep Sleep is dreamless. Yet everyone recalls it. How would you know that?
These are fantastic questions--all worthy of further investigation, I think. Jung argued that the ego is indeed emergent from the Self. The psyche definitely has the ability to make many egos--just look at dissociation. Also, even deep NREM sleep can still have dream activity.
@@theimaginarium perhaps if your soul leaves your body and wanders to the astral plane, it could become a vessel for something else. kind of like in that horror movie. maybe your concioussness can be trapped somewehere forever if you are not careful and no one is around who knows how to get you out of that situation. that would in fact be the worst fate you can meet.
I’m so glad this doesn’t naturally happen to me. I had to take a teaspoon of Ormus(Gold) for about a week in order to astral project. It’s scary as hell, and my curiosity always led me to want to ATTEMPT to TRY and spend time in that realm, but I would freak out within seconds. It was my fear of being stuck in that world and never being able to come back. Knowing another dimension outside of this one is happening tripped me out. After leaving the Ormus alone, immediately and luckily my calcification came back to my pineal gland and the projection stopped. Because involuntary almost every night it would happen. To the point I would sleep in a position that was easy for me to wake up.
In the ordinary examination of the three states (waking, dream, and deep sleep), there’s a bias in which I’m taking the waking state as the measurement to evaluate my experience of dreams and deep sleep. This unique sub-teaching of Vedanta challenges us to give up this bias. And to examine what exactly the experience is. What is my experience? Of my waking state when I’m awake. And what is my experience? Further, the third state, instead of saying from the waking point of view, “it was a deep sleep.” I didn’t know anything. I was unconscious. And then I woke up, and the world, the real world, appeared instead of the dream. What was the experience of the deep sleep, your experience at that you were experiencing deep sleep? In other words, we need an unbiased unprejudiced view. We should examine each experience from the point of view of the experience of the state. Of course, this is not easy to do. But it is pretty doable with little effort.
In my non lucid dreams they often feature friends or family and i speak with them, but less often i have spoken with strangers. But I cant recall any long or significant conversations. But in my occasional lucid dreams i can't recall really speaking much with anyone i didnt know. My lucid dreams often have no one about and i go looking for people and find only a few. I normally just try to fly which sometimes works, but i cant always do it or it doesn't last long.
2:14 Yes they tell you stuff you don’t know, show you things you’ve never saw. I think of them as spirit guides taking the form of whatever they know to get your attention, so even that, would imply some degree of consciousness, or rather, intelligence.
Based on what you are saying and the study, it is plausible they are the parts of the people we know that can only be communicated in a specific way. I am in touch with all that stuff so I can read it pretty well usually, it’s like there is a real time physical connection taking place here, but there is also some unconscious type mechanism interacting with everything, including those we meet, like what is happening for us, it’s happening for them too. We just don’t see it in our physical, conscious body’s. But it does happen. Something is happening, at least, I think it is. It could just be the brain or mind, or human, or whatever this is just isn’t properly understood though. So we try understand it from this physical conscious level, but we can’t, cause they are separate. Separate models of understanding. This ties in to visual based learning, and prophetic ideas. I think this is what the mind does, or, it’s at least within the parameters of our existence. It’s like gazing eyes catching another gazing eye, very rarely, do the two meet. But when they do, it is unquestionable. Again, much of which I write probably won’t make sense, you more have to be able to come from the place i’m coming from primarily, to properly understand. Without experience, it will just be words in the case of describing this kind of stuff.
Last night i had the most wildest lucid dream, i was been chased and became Lucid, then this guy came up to me and started to show me a technique on how to become more lucid during lucid dreams, this was perhaps the most realistic character in a dream, it felt so real. He showed me how to mould dreams over simple shapes, like tapping on backdrop windows that were emptying, there was three windows and a door i kept tapping and after every tap the picture changed, a light would turn on, people could be seen looking out, one door looked like a painting and after three taps it became a real door, when i returned for the 4th knock the door was open, i looked through and seen 3 characters sitting down, two parents (elderly) and a child, without asking my walked in. The characters were genuinely suprised by this, my guide behind. Said be careful he had never seen this happen so quickly. I asked questions, like where am I? The older lady smiled and said we'll answer your questions but relax, stay where you are and stand. For some reason i was too brazen, and sat on a chair, the child who said so sternly like an adult, she told you to stand not sit down. Asked a number of questions, some stupid, but i asked was there a God? She smiled and she said ''of course, ges up north and he's down south, it's everywhere. I asked for something that no other person knows, she wrote me a maths equation, and she said that would answer a lot of our questions, my maths is not the best and it looked like gibberish to me. The guide said i had overstood my welcome and i needed to leave their house, the energy shifted and they became somewhat hostile, i left the house in a hurry. But it felt so so real
Man, this made me wanna pick up lucid dreaming again. I do wonder how much the "techniques" used to induce it matter, vs the unconscious mind simply granting us permission to be lucid which would make us think the techniques "worked". Frustratingly enough, in my most recent lucid dreams when I was "practicing" them, they were very barren. I felt very lonely. And if there were people, they'd turn out to be inanimate statues. I did see characters once, especially a character from internal fantasies that I've wanted to meet. Said character warmly smiled at me before disappearing. The rest of the people there just seemed like NPCs, with very simple coding. They were all cultists for some reason too, perhaps almost "braiwashed" into being simple. Weird stuff, but a fun memory to come back to. You've earned yourself a sub! Awesome content. I came from the Jung to Live By channel :D
Glad to hear it! Your experiences are certainly fascinating and warrant a much deeper exploration with a trusted mentor/therapist/advisor. Glad to have you aboard!
Great writers of fiction claim that their characters are in some way consciencee and by being so, determine thier on path in the story. Perhaps conscienceness is also bestowed upon (or connected with) these dream charactors once they take on their particular roles. To elaborate a little further, one might suggest that conscienceness experiences itself through the interplay of Actor, Charactor and obverver, regardless of actual dimension in which it occurs.
I've had a lot of lucid dreams, well over a hundred of them. I have found that every dream character, when you started trying to meaningfully interact with them, pretty much ceased to function. They went mute. They were all one trick ponies who, when pressed, couldn't even repeat their one trick.
@@theimaginarium I don't know but MHO is that there are at least two kinds of dreams: 1) Most dreams and that includes most lucid dreams are artifacts of the dreaming persons subconscious. The subconscious extremely limited in what it can do in the way of dreams: It can put up characters of a sort but they can't do much and can't even stay stable for a split second. They are changing in every dimension, that is in color, in size, in shape, in sex, etc.. @) The other type of dream is very rare and is produced by the "overmind" . These are the sort of dream that Jung seems to have had from time to time. Characters here are stable and exist "from their own side".
This is a very interesting question. Recently, i asked a dream character is a lucid dream what they were. the answer was gobblegook. in some other lucid dreams, i have felt that some, maybe once or twice, dream characters are not dream characters at all but some other type of consciosnesses external to my own mind. in one distinctly powerful LD, i felt that another character in the dream was another LDer.
@@theimaginarium Part of the other dream was also what looked like my grandmother. However, it was like a static image and i asked "her" "are you my aunt?" (lol). No response or reaction. but Straight out of David lynch's twin peaks II type deal - she dispappeared like a tulpa. That is when a more active dream character appeared. Some other dream characters by the way seem on occasion to lack awareness. they have a zombie look. In some other past lucid dream, i asked dream characters to charge me with awareness. in consequence, they lost (!) they awareness. WTF?!
This is really neat thanks, it is a little annoying because dreams are supposed to be an escape from reality where you can do whatever, but for example, if dream characters are conscious beings it raises a ton of ethical quandaries about how they should be treated and everything. On the otherhand, it means you can form genuine relationships with people who are also you which I think is fascinating
I had a dream where I suddenly became aware that it was a dream. I was talking to someone I knew and suddenly I realized it wasn’t them. As soon as I realized that they looked different, the figure in front of me became so clear and the face was like a shadow (like black smoke). When I confronted him and told him he wasn’t the real person, he got really upset and kept trying to hide his face. I could feel him trying to push me out of the dream, but I kept asking who he was and why he was pretending to be the person I know. He just kept getting more and not angry. It was really creepy.
Dreams are weird. I remember a couple years back I had two dreams where I was a completely different person with a completely different life. In one of these dreams I was a teenage boy instead of a girl. It was a surreal experience but it felt so real.
It happened to me a few weeks ago too! And it was distressing because I was getting convinced that my life to this point was an illusion and this new person I woke up as is the reality. It was extremely vivid and convincing.
In one of my dreams about a year ago I was a woman in her mid twenties but the upsetting aspect wasn't there because I didn't remember I'm usually a man (and several years older than that) until I woke up again.
What's up with the ambience sound 😭I love this video tho, very interesting topic. Back in the day I used to think a lot about whether it is possible to learn details about our real world in a dream that we had no right to know before. The first story about this boy's girlfriend brought me back to these thoughts a bit
I once had a lucid dream where I asked my mother (inside the dream) if I can meet my subconscious mind. Now, when I told her that, she stared at me with a look of surprise mixed with bewilderment on her face as if to say ''what are you talking about? you're not allowed to say that". the dream after that faded And I woke up. I really wonder why she gave me that look without saying anything.
I’ve heard the easiest way to have a conversation with your subconscious in a lucid dream is to spawn a dream character and decide that they are your subconscious. Then just have a conversation. Technically, you could have a conversation with any dream character that isn’t based off of someone you know or someone with a defining trait because everything in your dreams is you and your subconscious.
I HAD A LUCID DREAM BESTFRIEND NAMED GRINNY CAT AND HE WAS MY FRIEND SINCE I WAS 5 (NOW I’M 12 AND HE’S STILL MY BESTFRIEND) ,AND ONE DAY MY LIL 5 YEARS OLD BROTHER SAID THAT HE DREAMED ABOUT A RED CAT NAMED GRINNY THAT IT WAS HIS BESTFRIEND EVEN IF I DIDN’T TELL HIM ABOUT IT.....!!😳😳😳
There are things I'd like to find out. Recently I am having a phenomenon that some may describe as hypnopompic hallucination. Usually just before waking from sleep (mostly at day time) i find myself conscious and aware while my body is still sleeping. Though I'm not able to rise up and go place like in a classic astral projection but i can flex my hands and feel objects and sometimes people around my invisible environment. It feels 100% real. Make me strongly suspect that we are living in dimensions that overlap eachother. Can you explain that phenomenon and have you experienced anything like it?
@@nelsonsaliu5295 It definitely sounds like hypnopompia or the start of a lucid dream. I have been practising lucid dreaming for 15 years now. I do occasionally record my experiences on my channel. I interviewed Robert Waggoner and my last lucid dream on the channel was recorded in a video about 'quasimodos'.
I asked a character in my dream, where he was from and proceeded to tell me he was from atlanta... For a second it seemed like I was meeting a real person's avatar..
@@erikgoodwyn9133 I don't remember if they said anything else after but I remember thinking to myself..how crazy is it that this dream person is from a city in the US that I have never really thought about..why atlanta?
I remember saying to a dream character that he should've been retired 10-13 years ago and he took me aside and basically interviewed me and said how do you know this? And I wasn't scared but it was just interesting that they are triggered with time questions or suggestions.
There’s a creature that follows me from dream to dream. Tall, shadowy figure with a pale white face (probably a mask) and an open chest with exposed ribs and heart. Tries to attack me but any source of light (flashlight, sun…) will destroy it for the entirety of the current dream, but it will come back
How long have u been having this dream. Theirs reasons this could b happening. One that I know of could b cause by trauma from something terribly bad. Sorry 2 hear u have been going through this. I know it's hard to do for certain people but u need to fight this entity head on. Show it no fear. U r the ruler of ur dream world. Hope that helps.
It made seem scary in the moment, but if you can the next time you meet this thing, don’t run from it or scream but simply ask “why are you chasing/attacking me?” It’s your subconscious the answer will be given
I once had a (non-lucid) dream where it was specifically another world where people go after... Something, death was implied but also obviously incorrect. No one there looked "human", not even me, our form was a representation of something. It was explicitly implied to me, as in "I came to know" that "time doesn't exist in this world", you could exist forever, past present and future were mixed, everyone knew and was okay with it, even myself. You could be angry at someone for what they're going to do in the future and everyone though it was perfectly reasonable because it's that person who would do that thing.
Seen this in few comments in other vids and with interesting outcomes It is saying "this/you are just a dream " to a dream character or multiple characters Often I see in the comments is of anger and denial from the characters. Like doing creepy stuffs and scaring the dreamer, creepy looks and event. As if the characters and the dream is angry that it is said. As if they want to prove they're real, as if something in them is triggered Some do say theirs is more chill, with the dream and characters being benevolent and not doing malicious acts.
The subconscious controls about 90% of your memory. Your consciousness is a calculator, that uniquely has "recall" or what is the ability to access parts of that memory based on how frequently that memory is used. When you dream you involuntarily share parts of your processing unit with your subconscious in return for a realistic environment. Your subconscious isn't more knowledgeable than you, but is significantly faster than you, so when you're in a lucid dream the dream itself knows far more about you and your reality in a moment than your incredibly slow consciousness in that same moment. This would make the subconscious appear to be its own being. This explains the rhymes and math easily, and everything else is probably the subconscious utilizing memory the consciousness likely hasn't accessed more than once.
And another thing, how are people so used to, and accustomed to the spirit realm that they can just run around asking entities questions and stuff? I’m not saying that one should be a scaredy cat, but why be so presumptuous like you’re the boss of that realm. On earth the mouth and words is how we gain understanding but in the spirit realm you CAN observe and use your mind instead of all the lip talk/asking of time/day/names like we do here on earth?
Dude they are stupid with conciousness that do everything in their way that actually works no matter what they want, u can talk to them about anything and they will come with a response, but the way they are created is by your perception about people, people around u, ur wife, ur kids, how u see them as in real life can have impact on how they respond in your dreams, as if they really were going to say the same in real life. It’s crazy how we pick all that just from observing one another
I am a songwriter and have had dream characters compose entire verses of song for me. Or, what I guess I should say is that I stole their original work and passed it off as my own? Hahahaha. Oh man, would I be in trouble For real though, interesting video. I didn't know about this. The "people" I encounter in dreams tend either to be bits of myself pr others I've known well, rough surface-only versions of really obscure people from throughout my life, the most basic personal credentials of people I only know of or have only heard of (for example a character who looks like you, about whom I've only just learned, imposed onto a more or less new personality - so for example, a character who looks like you but is maybe the ticket taker at a movie theater I end up going to in my dream). One question though, during this study was the chase ever just cut to and the dreamers asked direct the question: "So, are you actually alive and aware of what's going on right now, or are you just a cartoon my brain is stringing together out of the information it spends my sleeping time sorting through"? Also, what if dream people aren't (usually) conscious but are other non-lucid dreamers from "somewhere else" (be it the world as we know it or elsewhere) with lucids being the seemingly conscious dreamfolk we encounter at times? Basically: normal dreamers become non conscious dream characters for the dreams of others when sleeping. The conscious dream characters equate to waked lucid dreamers. Hope this made sense (it probably didn't) P.S. I am a semi-lucid. It's rare now that I'm an adult. And I've never been able to decide to have them. They just occurred when they felt it fit to make themselves occur. And also, I subscribed.
"What does it mean when you lucid dream and someone tells you they know your lucid dreaming" . This has happened twice. The first time it happened i remember running from people it was like a movie scene thru the hotel the house and then ending up in a little room somewhere , and someone appears and tell me im all good and that and i say im lucid dreaming and he says he knows and from there we took off since we had each other i know he was a guy but he had a suit and silver face no hair no eyes no nothing just a head . recently i had one like this again i didnt know i was dreaming then i realized i was lucid dreaming, later on i tell a girl i was with its crazy that im in a episode right now and if i say it then it will end (didnt wanna say dreaming or lucid dreaming becuz uk how that goes) and she tells me i know the episode and im like ?...also she was making faces as in signailing because we were infront of other people and she knew if she slipped up the dream could end but im like theres no way she knows too mind blowing .and at the same time it felt like i knew who she was in real life but couldnt put a name to it, her energy jus felt familar. then we chatted for a bit out of no where we teleport somewhere and its some lady she was looking mad (guessing she was like a higher up of the dream like the dream characters are npc n she is in control but she also is a dream character) and then shes looking at us both and she cuts somethings arm and boom i wake up a little bit after. crazy dream but what stuck out was how did these dream people know i was lucid dreaming and as well how the girl also was lucid dreaming is this possible or is it my mind
Hey Dr, I keep dreaming of this guy 150 times in 7 months recurring nonstop. I only met him once, and then I dreamed of our second encounter in the physical realm like a precognitive. This is what confuses me, he’s a pastor in this physical realm. I’ve had so many recurring dreams of him preaching and I attending church services with him. I can’t possibly imagine the architecture of those churches & the vivid church robes in my subconscious mind. I kept dreaming of schools, buses & him being a teacher. He recently confirmed that he was indeed a teacher and had just retired. I sometimes find myself telling him in my dream that I dreamed of him often. He speaks sometimes in the dreams but we majority exchange eye contact and just energy, like feelings of his actual soul presence he had in the physical, same energy feeling. I have come to fall in love with this dream character. I have dreamed up a son with him and he appeared 50 times. What’s your opinion?
My dream character made up a technique for chasing game they called it utam what you do is if there are 2 doors you lock the first one then leave the other door open make sure your outside that room them they enter the room from the open door then catch the one your chasing
What do you have to say about the fact that many when ask their dream characters “what time is it” “what day is it” the dream characters get angry and weird stuff happens?
I have only had one lucid dream which happened naturally. I was having a dream that was so life like that I did not realise I was in a dream. I had only realised that I was in a dream when something happened which defy reality. My first instinct was to fly realising that I was in full control of my dream unfortunately I panicked I thought I might have been dead which led me to force myself to wake. I have never had another one would really love to do it again. Ever since I have been intrigued about astral projection.
Those dream characters are essentially your subconscious so when you think about it its not all that surprising they know a dream is acurring before the dreamer does. What interests me is how they remember past dreams and seem to have unique personalities. I was once speaking with a dream character and i asked how many lucid dreams ive had and he told me ive had many more than i even realize because ive achieved lucidity in dreams that i forgot having when i woke up. Very interesting how he knew that. I also asked once if they were self aware, if i remember correctly my dream characters got very scared by the question and started freaking out screaming. Ive also encountered a dream character that was unlike any other ive ever experienced. I had no influence on him and he was actively preventing me from waking up, he also knew we were in a dream. This dream character was truly unlike any other, he attacked me and we flew around battling each other with all the possibilities of my imagination. Thinking about it, it really seems like he was coaching me or testing me.
@theimaginarium everything about lucid dreaming is fascinating. If you were to tell someone that has never heard of lucid dreaming about it they would probably think you were making stuff up or talking about psychic abilities. Which, if you think about it, is exactly what lucid dreaming is. It's an inate ability our brains have.
Thanks for giving credit to Dr.Tholey whose research was always a little out of the ordinary. But science wouldn't move a step forward if it wasn't for such people. A Gestalt psychologist and pioneer in Lucid Dream studies, along with Stephen LaBerge. Unfortunately, Tholey died with just 62. And yes, the fact that dream characters seem to have a life of their own is a little spooky. But not as spooky as your background music 😁
I dunno why this video was in my watch history, I don’t remember clicking it or watching it. It synchronistically ties in to something i’ve been pondering though, and what i’ve uncovered, at least experientially is that these parts of consciousness, seemingly originated from our conciseness, or communicating with our consciousness, is in fact that they too, have their own consciousness. Words written may not make sense, but if you’ve understood it first hand, they’ll possibly make sense.
And another thing, I can tell people are confusing their testimony of DREAMS, with LUCID DREAMS. Dreams are faster, and are normally events that take place in a fast-like bundle with no clear reason for the events. But Lucid, is a bit slower and more similar to being on earth, in the sense YOU control every proceeding move, and multiple events don’t just take place all fast-like.
I see one assumption that I disagree with, that dreams are "in our heads", and another one that is not put on the table, that dream characters are driven by a system, similar to our AI engines like ChatGPT and all. The AI system can have all the information and the characters (NPCs) are just avatars (interfaces) of that AI system. Questions should be aim more into "free will test", like "choose between a 0 and 1 and explain your choice".
@@theimaginarium this is my hypothesis. A normal dream is a dream where the dreamer is not aware of it. the dream character's job is to keep the dream normal. If the dreamer begins to realize that he is dreaming, then the dream world becomes abnormal, and that is where the dream character's job is to return the dream to normal. my hypothesis was strengthened after I conducted the experiment. Usually, when I am doing normal activities in a dream and then I realize that I am dreaming, I will leave that activity and do something else based on my will, because I am aware and in control. that's where the dream characters started to bother me. So I did an experiment where when I was doing certain activities in a dream and then I realized that I was dreaming, I continued with the activity and pretended as if I didn't realize that I was dreaming, and the dream characters didn't bother me, they just stayed there. busy with their activities without paying attention to me. sorry I only use google translate because my english is bad
The concept of "you"; possibly goes way deeper than you think. From your own subconscious down to a collective centralized subconscious. You can write to and read from it.
@@theimaginarium I'll look into it. There is a nice scene in Robocop 4, in which they bypass the human and make the machine shoot then send an interrupt to the human to make him think he did the shooting. The issue of chaos control when applied to social systems, also requires centralized data gathering, simulating for future failure scenarios and going back to the real-time system for interventions (that is how new robots don't fall). This chaos control system in the universe is called Vishnu-the maintenance and repair god- in Hinduism trinity. Parallel to your research: Are we in some ways dream characters, of a centralized subconsciousness? Maybe. Whatever imagery that bubbles up into our awareness, might be calculated by and coming from various levels, and going very deep. Just some more food for thought.
This is in parallel to spawning/manifesting (literal) dream characters and objects as a lucid dreamer. We should see all experience as content pretty much like the experience of a youtube video. It, probably, is malleable to commands from its experiencer. A soul (the lower layer of a dream ego) is a stack of memory that contains content experienced (your youtube history) from future and past lives (rebirth). A conscious entity at its lowest core has to be defined as a sensing, task processing, responding functional (not necessarily occupying a volume) unit (and under this definition dream characters are conscious). Every point in the universe can be read from and wrote on. See Kali coming out of Sri Ramakrishna, holographic nature of universe, and Indra's Net.
If elders are right: Consciousness (and space following the creation of the former) was there before the "form" realm, and exists outside of the universe (as a point in the formless realm), pouring into it at every point (mind behind space). It is faster than light, because it is outside of the universe only interfacing with it. The hard problem of consciousness has been solved by Buddha, we just need to scientific experiments to prove it.
@@theimaginarium i'll ask them questions that relate to them being asleep tonight and i'll try and get back to you with the results! ( if I remember! )
Or are some of them thought forms that have not been given enough energy to exist in this dimension, yet, so they exist in another until us little gods think them into existence here. I do also believe there is the remembering of other lives we have lived as well going on in dreams so the characters could be from that as well.
For some reason I was always convinced that there are others in my dreams. Many are just random NPCs to populate the dreamscape and create a realistic background, but the major characters ... No. To me they were always real. People I dream of rarely look like they do in real life, but in the dream I know who they are, even if they appear as animals or in a more phantastic shape. But through this appearance I always learn something about them I did not know in my waking life. And sometimes I meet strangers. I know that in the dream, it's a very strong feeling. There are differences between the people I know and the strangers. Those feel more real, more concious. The people I know are no dreamers, they are there but have no control of themselves. The others ... I always have the feeling they have full control. I'm somewhere in the middle. But I can somehow feel the difference between the two. And I don't care what science says. 😂 I prefer to believe that these are real people who mastered the art of dreaming and come for a visit. Maybe they are curious. Maybe they want to help with something. Maybe they want to know why I populate my dreams with such strange creatures. Why I recognize them without being fully lucid. I would like to ask them, but unfortunately this is beyond my control. For some reason I can't make real contact with them.
Omg another one - a guy told me exactly which drug my son needed for his skin condition to clear up - and it wasn’t one any doctors had suggested so I told the doctor the drug name and they tried it and it worked he also asked where I got this drug name I said from my dream
Are they conscious? I had a dream character once tell me the dream is reality, reality is the dream. Are they real? I was Lucid, I went to pick up a woman dream character by her waist, I was moving her off a chair onto the floor. I know it was a dream, but I felt her pelvic bones through her skin, and she said that pinches, let me down. That's what freaked me the F out. I started thinking, how real is all of this?
The lucid dream is a thought responsive environment, therefore if the dreamer recognises the dream character, it is quite probable that the brain will pull up their history and get into character. People can sure have multiple consciousness in the same brain, I for one because I have a tulpa. It’s called being plural. But I’m not of the belief that dream characters are like this. But who knows. Maybe some peoples are. What I know for sure is that there is much more in my brain than just my autonomy. Much more that can cause things.
Wasn't there a famous author/philosopher/thinker, back in the 1960's and 1970's who was convinced that when you go to sleep and dream, in our reality, you actually "wake up" in the dream world?
I remember bits and pieces of all my dreams, i have come to the conclusion that they are all real and probably most likely dreams are plains collectively created hense why sometimes you are given information about future events. If you spoke to someone before he put forth an idea to the world, you would have prior knowledge.
Interesting, but how does it show that they are distinct personalities? They could be just models generated by the subconscious, by brain neural network, which collects much more data from the environment than is available for consciousness, processes it and, obviously, can generate unexpected responses or something "new".
Hello The Imaginarium! See I’m no expert and in fact I'm just a regular old person who randomly thought about this one night. (So sorry if I seem a bit dumb trying to talk about this haha.) One thing I am though is very creative and open minded. I started researching this topic to see if it was even talked about and to my surprise it is! But after lots of research for a couple of days I found not much new information on this topic so I decided to come up with my own theory as to how dream characters appear to be conscious and thought It would be cool to share :)! Here is my theory: It’s your subconscious mind. Your subconscious mind is a very powerful thing, one thing it does is control your breathing. But while you're breathing you can become aware of it and sometimes break this pattern of constant breathing. So lets say dream characters were made by your subconscious mind, then becoming aware of them such as lucid dreaming, you should be able to “break these characters” right? No. But! Your subconscious mind also controls things like digestion, and you can’t control that by becoming aware of it, (that would be cool though!) So now let's say dream characters are still from your subconscious mind but they are less like breathing and more like digesting. That would mean dream characters are extremely important, and it's even more important to not be able to mess with them. But why? Maybe because if we could “break them” it could mess up the way we perceive people. We see people as individuals with their own thoughts and feelings. But if we could somehow think the thoughts and feel the feelings of our dream characters it would be how WE perceive that person. It couldn’t be their actual thoughts or feelings because we couldn’t possibly know that. Maybe our subconscious mind is keeping us from knowing more? I really want to figure this out and will keep thinking. I want to know what your thoughts are on my theory? Also this is an amazing video! It helped me a lot to understand this topic! Thank you :)!
I once asked a dream character (while lucid). Are you purely a creation of my mind or are you an entity in your own right? They responded " a bit of both". So perhaps your mind can create entities....
I have heard two sentences spoken very clearly to me at different times just before waking:
1. “You can’t drive the physical mind, but you can drive the consciousness.”
2. “You can change the world, but you already fully have.”
It took me a good while to understand these sentences.
I find them both fascinating. It’s astonishing to me that I heard them so clearly ‘word for word’ yet I didn’t understand them initially.
what do you mean ı dont understand :(
It happened to me, but I heard:
"You're under investigation"
It never occurred again.
Can you please explain them to me? Thanks
That is fascinating
I asked my characters the time and date and they got really upset. I asked why they said because they are in a different time zone it’s not the same as us. I asked if they where real and they said yes. They are just in a different dimension and said when we sleep we go there. It was a pretty cool and crazy dream.
Dang they got defensive!?
@user-nl3oi5wr1n this is super common if you ask this question. People actually report horrifying demonic level reactions or simply getting put in a dream prison or interrogation room against there will where they must agree to never ask that.
If you read Alice In wonderland, there’s a weird fixation around time. There’s no time there and I think that’s what triggers them. I think they also get angry bc asking date and time figures them out.
I know I have tried looking for the date on newspapers I would come upon in dreams but it just gets weird and tough and then zip you're up.
@@inscription8099that sounds fucking scary
I remember I was walking down a street in my dream and I was thinking okay so this is a dream right? And a character passing by casually said "yep" 😂 I found that hilarious.
That is definitely hilarious!
That's why it's called your subconscious- the dream characters are projections of the subconscious, so you are not consciously aware of all the things they seem to know, but the mind is so expansive that it has projected the entire dreamworld, including all those characters and you are only consciously aware of a tiny sliver, not even 1% at first. As you become more lucid, you are aware of more and more of your mind, which is why you can start to control of influence parts of your dream. Just because dream characters seem to know things you are not consciously aware of, doesn't mean they are "aware" or conscious of the dream the way you are. The only one who is aware and seeing the dream is the dreamer (the "I" - observer behind the dream character you seem to be playing)
Spot on, Bubba!
Yes! Perfectly explained. It’s all YOU (the dreamer)….all characters are facets of your subconscious mind.
I've had those characters push me back up a stairway in a dream. In the dream I was trying to get to the "bottom of things".
@@andylane3739 Maybe your subconscious was trying to tell you that you're not ready to explore that side of yourself.
@@perssontm1628 - I think that dream was my subconscious punishing my ego for attempting to destroy the universe and then my ego trying to create a new one.
I had about 20 short lucid dreams back to back. In them I had three reoccurring dream characters (one of them a nightmarish hag) that followed me from dream to dream. One of them, by the last dream, was blown away that I remembered his name he told me a couple dreams beforehand. His name was Gileon (which I looked up and is a real name, but I'm pretty sure I've never heard in my life.). I asked him what this place was (the dream). He told me 'She' thinks I already know. I asked who 'she' was, turns out it's his wife, Rozita. I don't remember much more of the conversation except that he told me that his first memory was me at the age of 10.
That is truly impressive! Thanks for sharing, love to hear more.
That is insane!!!!!!!!!
As a beginner i'm still trying to lucid dream and also as an adventurer i am really looking forward for those insane lucid dreams:)
20 back to back, I have 4-5 a night, every night
Did these dream characters look like anyone you know in waking life or are they unique?
It's really cool to think about the fact that the characters in our dreams could have their own thoughts so to speak. Because it's like.. I'm dreaming this dream, right? How are you in my head with your own thoughts and actions!?!? Crazy stuff. Love it. Looking forward to more!
Yeah, the very strangeness of it is probably why this is one of my most viewed videos (not that it's saying anything lol)
@@theimaginarium it's my favorite, so far. I can't help thinking 'how can MY dream characters in MY head avoid me like that?' How rude! 😂
@@ashleyneidlow4649 so rude!
After learning about dissociate identity disorder, nothing surprises me about the ability of our brains.
There's just so much we don't know that's packed away in our minds. And we only understand the basics or what seems tangible.
@@sunnyblue1244 That is very true. DID is a fascinating disorder.
I have always had lucid dreams and fall into them naturally, generally a couple of times a month. Sometimes I feel that i am about to astral project and say a mantra as i feel I am leaving the body and lifting off. They are now very powerful and i can stay in the dream for long periods by holding my hands in front of my face. Sometimes i find a mirror and study my reflection which is quite a surreal experience. IMHO the dream reality in a lucid dream is just as real as the reality frame we live in whilst awake and that the characters are living within their own world. It is just a different conscious state that we are reaching with our minds. Similarly, our daily reality simply fades as a dream does when you wake up every morning and we also just fade away.
That is very interesting. I think any sort of focus on one's hands will be effective at maintaining the lucid state, since so much of our sensory perception is focused on them. I always recommend rubbing one's palms together. Same principle. It keeps the dream-body active mentally, and prevents one from 'switching over' to the physical body as the center of conscious body-representation.
I had a few lucid dreams where I ask the people I am with if they know that they aren’t real/ is in a dream, unfortunately they either avoid the question or just doesn’t say anything and just stares at me in a creepy looking way, but a few months ago I had this dream where everything felt so real that I thought I was in some sort of alternative reality, the people I talked to in that dream where very much open to the idea when I was showing prof and convincing them that I was not from their world, what amazes me even more is that they where showing me some of their stuff that we don’t have here in reality, when I woke up I was so convinced that where in a alternative universe that I couldn’t stop thinking about it for a week. Lucid dreaming is truly amazing and such a mystery! And thank you for making this video btw!
I also believe my lucid dreams is an alternate reality. There’s no way I can come up with the stuff I dream about on my own
You're the first person I've seen other than myself that gets the creepy stares when I tell them I know I'm dreaming. It is God damn horrifying lol
I have had very similar experiences where I show them proof that I am in a dream and ask them what the date is etc. Some look at me weirdly. Some have had interesting conversations with me and they have been shocked that I am supposedly from another world and I am just in a dream. When I wake up, I can't remember what they said. It seems so real. I think I have been in another world.
Fascinating!
It is fair to say that in this field, we as a society are overall just scratching the surface of the phenomenon we try to understand.
I used to spend quite a bit of time with dreams when I was around 20. The key element appears to be to do a dream diary. I learned a lot of things back then.
For instance: When you wake up, it is essential to be very disciplined at not moving your body the least bit at first. When you wake up, you still have your maximum access to your dream memory. But once you move your physical body, that memory is getting lost within seconds.
So what you do is: You wake up, stay still - and recall as much of your dreams as you can, or want.
This act of „recalling“ the dream can be equated to copying a file from a usb-stick to a hard-drive.
Once you have recalled those dreams, you are free to move your body, and the memory of the dreams are „secured“ and will stay with you.
Then write them down in your dream diary.
Anyways - through putting more of a mental focus on these things, I guess I became more aware in this area of my existence. So one thing that started to happen was that I was - while still in the dream - becoming aware that I was about to wake up.
In one extreme experience, I noticed I was about to wake up - but unlike in „normal“ dreams, I found myself in the physical world, in the house I lived in, in between the neighboring room and mine. I was - as „energy“, I suppose, passing through a wall, and approaching my physical body that was laying in bed. While that was happening, I had total spacial awareness, i.e. I „saw“ everything around me, unlike like looking through eyes.
I felt drawn to my body by a magnetic force. While I was returning to my body, I felt various interesting sensations, as if my body had it‘s own, layered energy field that was affecting me. I found that extremely interesting and wanted to further investigate, so I tried to slow down my return into my body.
But the pulling force was too strong - and exactly like with magnets, it rose exponentially, the closer I got - until I was suddenly in - BAM!
So what I see is that while I was sleeping, I (as in my soul) had left my physical body, and gone somewhere else. Where had I gone? I don’t know. What had happened there? I don’t know.
Traditionally, we think of our dreams as products of our own imagination. I would like to challenge that concept.
SOME dreams clearly are just that - but others may not.
There is a man by the name of Jürgen Ziewe, who has investigated what he calls the astral dimensions for decades. He’s a very humble person and does not make much fuzz about himself. He can provide a TON of fascinating insights.
SOME of our „dreams“ may, in fact be experiences and journeys in these astral dimensions. And there, we may indeed encounter entities that exist OUTSIDE of our own identity. They would, of course then also have an awareness of their own.
Later in life, I spent time doing training in clairvoyance. I am by now 100% convinced that souls continue to exist after what we call death.
While sleeping, I have encountered on at least three occasions people I knew and who had passed. I find it very well possible that it was their souls whom I met.
If souls exist, and if their existence is not tied to their connection to a physical body, a physical brain, then this opens up a whole new perspective that ought to be considered.
In any case, to you curious people out there: I wish you fun and amazing insights in your OWN experiences „out there“! 🙂👍🏼
Cheers.
That’s very interesting how you like we’re being pulled in to your body by some force would love to here more!
That's so cool!
I think it’s an astral plane where all entities are able to communicate, mingle, teach one another, what I don’t understand is why asking the time and date is such a big deal. It’s interesting that you mention that others in the dream state are aware the dreamer is dreaming before the dreamer realized it. The disturbing part is why isn’t the opposite true, or is it just when we are lucid dreaming we are not “connected” to this part. Tiktokers when asking the date and time in the lucid dream state experienced a immediate “hive” response where every character within their “dream” went after them to try to kick them out of the dream state, many were bumped into a different dream space, or a dream space mimicking their real life in order to trick them into believing they are awake or a sleep paralysis state, most people reported their faces changing, being told they are not suppose to ask that question, it’s just crazy at the similarities between stories, to the point where you pretty much have to rule it out as coincidence. Have you looked into this phenomenon yet? If not is it something that will be looked at further?
Fascinating theory! As my philosophical approach is that of holistic panpsychism, I think there might be a way to understand "astral plane" from that established point of view.
I think if the people on tiktok read such responses of others, it wouldn't be wild if they had similar dreams. When I read a captivating book, I might also dream about the aspects I loved, but I'd never write it down for inspiration, because I know where it's from and I don't want to steal from another person's hard work.
Also, some people get engrossed in the topic, read a lot about it and simply lie about their "experiences", especially true for some from the cluster B category, at least from my experience. They can be very convincing, imaginative liers then.
This is exactly how i feel.
Last night I had a dream.
I was going down a street and someone warned me about how dangerous that street was.
Then a lady, that I just by my side said:
"No it is not, this is just a dream".
I looked around and realised that yes, it was.
I usually have some sort of lucid dreams but every time I notice it I wake up, but this time I stayed awake.
I asked her how did she know it was a lucid dream, she said it was because she was lucid dreaming too.
So I asked if she was in my dream, she said she didn't know.
We then decided to spend some time together.
We asked about each other's lives.
We build explored mountain.
We agreed to meet again.
I told her about my problem about always waking up when noticing the lucid dream.
She told me to research about it and here I am.
Funny thing you say that the character realising we are dreaming before we are, because that was exactly how it happened.
So, someone invaded my dream or it was just a very interactive character?
My father (66 years old) has been lucid dreaming for many years. He has told me countless lucid dreams he has experienced. The one that sticks out to me the most is he thought he was in some German city. (We are in USA) Usually, he says once he realizes he s dreaming; entities will also know he is dreaming and attack him. Usually in the form of a siren or some evil woman. Well during this German city lucid dream that happened and this lady started piercingly screaming at him. He claimed he powered his body through walls of buildings, breaking them and pushing through wall after wall. After a while of running through walls he met a European man. My dad got his name and where he was born and other information about the man. He wrote it down many years ago but we can't find the information. He has claimed to met this man numerous times in other lucid dreams and the man always remembers their encounters, as does my Father.
Sorry for the rambling, but did you ever figure out what this can mean?
@@slurpshit That's is very cool that your dad actually tried to find the person.
I would be afraid they think I'm a mad woman! 😅
Also, these entities hunting him sounds like a horrible nightmare.
Here is what happened after that...
Every time I had a lucid dream I would try to find her, but as before, I keep waking up just after realising I am dreaming.
In the start of December I started having problems with my meditation sessions.
I was feeling like I was having an out-body experience and, I did not enjoy that feeling. I was seeing things that I could not make out and I could not really say if I was falling asleep and lucid dreaming during the meditation or reaching nirvana but in any way it was starting to freak me out, so I decided to take a break from meditation for a week.
That same week I had this dream (not exactly lucid)...
I was on what I believe was a mansion, that seemed to work as a boarding school;
I wad walking around it trying to find my teacher. (I didn't understand what I was doing there, all I knew was that I was lost and looking for my teacher)
I went to a side of this place that was empty, there I found a massive staircase that would lead me downstairs, it had a big bronze chandelier hanging in te middle of it.
At the bottom of the stairs I could see that there was a corridor to each side of the building. (So essentially this staircase ended on a dark green wall with two side exit).
Half way down the stair there she was, the same girl, sitting there with a dog (a female German Shepherd).
She didn't notice me, but I knew it was her because of her hair.
When I got close and said hi, she stares at me.
The dog started crying and at the same time I ask, do you study here?
Before I can finish she disappeared.
I looked ahead (behind the chandelier on a area of the wall I couldn't see before because it was so big that blocked the view) and I see her feet and dress.
She was hang by her neck, her skin was fairly dry as if she was there, dead for a while. I didn't look at her face. The feet and dress was enough to know it was her.
I pat the dog's head (she kept crying), ran down the stairs and took the right exit, because I didn't want to walk underneath her body.
In the end of the corridor I found a room with some teachers, my teacher was also there. He told me I should be calling him professor and not teacher.
In complete shock, I asked what happened on the staircase, he said that she killed herself there and they left her body there to make companion for the dog.
I told him I saw her ghost.
He asked me if I didn't know she was dead, and why I was so shocked.
I asked him what did he mean and what he expected.
He dismissed me saying "well she always told everyone she would do it, what were you doing on that wing of the building anyway."
I mentioned I was lost and was trying to find him.
He said something like "If I am not in our class room, I am in this room, you know it well.
Apparently she is just trying to let you know now".
I asked where was the exist, he says "this is the exit".
I saw a door, I walked out and outside I recognised the road I used to live when I was a teenager.
Then I woke up thinking of an old friend.
I contacted him, he is a "voodoo priest" I know in Brazil. He is a leader in a Candomblé temple, super sensitive to supernatural stuff, and he always told me I am too, even though I avoid it like the plague.
I grew up in a family with religious fanaticism and although I am the black sheep that left the church and abandoned the religion when I was 12yo,
I am still quite scared of everything my family judged as wrong and evil.
Last year I did find out that my ancestors were Bantu, that is part of Candomblé.
Anyway, sorry me for the rambling but...
He explained to me that if I kept trying to find her in my lucid dreams, this could be exactly what I was searching for.
He cannot say if she is dead or if that is how she died but he told me to interpret that as an ending anyway and stop trying to find her.
He also mentioned that it is common for people to contact after death but it is usually to someone in their family and not too long after death.
The body looked old and we are not related.
And that maybe she was just trying to let me know as the professor mentioned in the dream.
He told me to not dismiss the dream because he always sensed this sensitivity on me, reminded me that dreams have meaning and told me to take this dream as I want to.
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I am starting to accept that I am more connected to the supernatural than I would like to be, and that there is more to it than I will ever know.
I personally think she is dead.
That she lead me there to let me know but she could not communicate to me, maybe because of the time or because I am not that open to the supernatural realm, and that is why she disappeared when I made questions.
The dream felt too real and too clear to not be true.
A few years ago I went to this haunted house in Ireland (Loftus Hall) and there in front of around 20 people I had a supernatural experience, my husband was there and to this day he jokes saying that they paid me to do that or they hypnotised me by spiking the tea I bought there. The act is that we cannot explain why my arms started to float and I started to move as if I was dancing on a ball in the 19th century. (I would tell you more but it is another long story)
I just say I am a bit of a witch (a green witch, because I am too scared of dark magic 🤣 ).
Anyway, sorry for the ebook.
Take care.
@@graciquintilhanodaaaamn, write more, you got me really invested. I want to know more!
Thanks for sharing!
One of my favorite personal lucid dreams:
Me: extends (dreambody) hand for handshake as I introduce myself.
Dream Character: fist bumps instead of handshake.
Me: where were you before I arrived here?
Dream Character: I was wondering the same thing about you.
He went on to explain that he had been driving an RV around a curve and "...boom! I ended up here."
Thats a great dream! Fascinating.
It's an absolutely fascinating question; one that I like to explore in my lucid dreams.
I love that: "I was wondering the same thing about you!". Dream characters have snark and sarcasm with the best of us!
I always have lucid dreams, I had one recently where me an a party of people were all jumping around a large trampoline in circles higher and higher, when I realized i was dreaming and began to jump up really high and fly a little bit at the top of my jump. Well this angered one of the dream characters who was a bully type guy and he started chasing me around and even hit me. He kept saying "Hey this isn't fair, why does he get to fly and I don't" lol I knew I was dreaming, but his punches hurt and I flew away at the speed of light. I've interviewed hundreds of dream characters, I tell them you are in my dream and they never believe me until I prove it to them and fly around. Some of the reactions on their faces are utter shock. Some will believe it, some won't. I'll hear hit songs on the radio or tv in my dreams. Just the other day I was dreaming and I heard this Grateful Dead song and the chorus went like this "Because Maybe we couldn’t let you, but somehow I just think that we must try!"
Fascinating!
I just woke up from a lucid dream then this was the first video on my feed😂. When I realised I was dreaming i stopped stressing about the thing I was stressing about, turned to the person I was ranting too and asked him his name( dreaming me somehow knew him, but woke me had no clue who it was was), we shook hands and he confessed he did not know his name because it was just a dream and the dreamer hadn't given him one. I told him I hadn't realised I gave him no name. He said I didn't create him but my brother, who I saw run through my dream very briefly, did. Our dreams had murged and my brother had subconsciously created this character as one of my friends for me. I asked dream guy if he would like me to give him a name, he agreed to it. I named him olly and he looked happy about it. We stayed woundering my dream together untill I woke up
I know that he very likely was made up by my subconscious, and not my brothers, but I find it very cool that subconscious me was able to spin that story on the spot.
That is very cool!
With all these characters and plots I am wondering are we are consciously dreaming or we are DREAMING that we are?
Ok I actually love this question
@@ippokratisklimis I am actually dreaming. I realize that I am, and I started to remember how I got here. I am currently under hypnosis from another "reality". So, basically the same thing. I am what they call #SeriouslyWoke 😂
I recently went to the dream world and became lucid. There was a blonde lady behind a desk. I asked her what today's date is. She said there is no date. Time is different here. Then I woke up. I'm starting to think they may be people that live there, and there are certain rules to follow, and we are just visitors there.
Fascinating perspective!
I also like how you used the word conjure. Conjuring something doesn't mean creating it, rather it generally means making a connection and summoning it. I've often had dreams that felt like I was living a day in the life of someone totally different, for example, a young woman who was in the military, and at the end of these, I didn't feel that the dream had created the woman's life or status quo, but rather that it had temporarily formed a connection between my consciousness and the woman in the dream. This isn't as far off as it sounds, as we do this regularly with stories: we step into another life, and experience it vicariously for a while, then come out of the experience with empathy and understanding of that person.
Absolutely. And there are dreams where the dreamer is a disembodied consciousness floating around. Sometimes we are dreaming and we see ourselves walking around doing various things. Some lucid dreamers develop a technique of character hopping--deliberately floating "into" another character's body and experiencing the narrative from the other character's point of view.
One time I was having a very potent dream, that almost seemed to be “sent” to me. I’m not sure how to describe the feeling. But to confirm this feeling, in the dream, I wanted to ask one of the dream characters something I know I wouldn’t know, and as I had just sat down in a chair next to somebody, I asked him how to say sit in Chinese. (I have zero knowledge of Chinese). He said something like zoo-ah, all as one syllable.
Amazingly, this is in fact correct. To this day, I’m not exactly sure what to make of that…
That is WILD. I love it, thanks for sharing.
I had a similar dream were I met a Japanese person and he asked me "Nihongo ga hanashimasuka?" (Which mean do you speak japanese?) And I replied "Hai!" Happily. I was so excited that i could fianaly talk to a native japanese person. Which his blank face immediately turned to a huge smile and then he told me all about his day or whatever. Eventually I found myself getting lost in his very long sentence (Since i'm just at intermediate level and I could barely understand native japanese conversations.) So just like I would in real life I just shook my head and pretended to listen. Eventually he said bye and we bowed to each other then he left with a big smile. He was a cool guy and I def would talk to him again but in English this time lol
I had a dream where I was aware of myself but also seeing my self sleeping and having a nightmare in same dream , I tried to awake that other myself from nightmare telling that myself wake up its only nightmare don't be afraid just wake up. That dream scared me so much that I truly thought something is wrong with me.
Fascinating dream, Great Vizard! Thanks for sharing that with us here.
Nosso subconsciente é um sentinela. Sempre atento às coisas qiq nos pode fazer mal. Mas é parte nossa. Mas muitos levam isso para o misticismo. É uma pena.
Quando vc conversa no seu sonho com um personagem, está na verdade, conversando com seu subconsciente. E quando vc percebe que é um sonho, tu não confia mais neste personagem, e agora ele é um inimigo que pode te atacar.
I've had a self aware dream where it wasn't lucid. The dream was aware, i was aware yet it wasn't lucid dreaming. I asked the dream person a personal question and it answered truthfully. I find it really interesting
That is very interesting!
Music in background makes video terrifying 😭 I’m scared help
🤣🤣🤣
Me too ffs now I’m scared
Also I assumed they are from parallel universes not from my actual mind I don’t want sharing my mind lol far out get outtttaaa my head omfg 🤬
Great video. Through my time in lucid dreaming practice, I've found it strange how a large majority of other people seem to have "weak" dream characters. They're either boring, aggressive, or have predicable responses. Never with my characters. Even before the my best lucid dreams with persistent characters, which are the most grounded characters out of any of my dreams, they have always been unique. Fun. And it's a shame that as of right now there's absolutely no way to describe it better than that.
I really was thinking if I had access to a REM communication device, my first study would be about live projecting dream characters (the "strong willed" kind which aren't easily influenced) into a real space. Somewhat similar to Tholey's study, I get lucid and go into a room with one of the guys, awake person asks a question, character responds, I return the response. It would technically be like a completely different person at that point. Is just a fantasy though until I get the right budget, haha.
I like that idea for a study!
i remember a dream i had when i was around 5 or 6, and i walked up to my mother, and decided to ask her if i was dreaming, even if i knew i was dreaming, and she said no, which really spooked me as a kid
Very spooky!
While dreaming, I told my mom she wasn't real and her face started morphing and distorting, she was screaming in what seemed like agony, and the world began shaking and falling apart.
Has anyone had similar experiences?
I dreamed of my mother in the same way, except that she had already passed away two weeks before, but when I told her that she was not real, I only saw her sad
@@solarisorchestra8385why say that shi tho? I see that typa shi also but I just go with it cause it feels good to somewhat spend time with loved ones again even if it isn’t real
Fascinating!
I was dreaming I can't really remember the situation I was in, it almost felt like an orphanage I've always been with my parents so I don't know what that feels like there were weird tapestries with symbols on them everywhere and it scared me, I asked a random girl in my dream wondering where my parents were she then said "up on the hill" I asked for directions and I followed her into a dark corridor where I saw more symbols then a strange figure with a mask surprised me and yelled blink twice I did and instantly woke up. I have goosebumps still.
Wow that's wild!
(daytime)
I knew it was a dream because everything was dim and I could feel my eyes opened and closed at the same time
I remembered being at the my apartment but this wasn’t the same apartment it was a nicer apartment complex/park
(it reminded me of my dad’s apartment but he never lived here before)
i follow the sound of music in the park along with other people until we found the source of music it was a small group of people in the courtyard
(sunset)
we danced we laughed for a while it seemed
(night)
some people were lighting up (weed) i fell over trying to dance and avoid bumping into someone.
we lauged and then the cops knocked on the back door (yes we are in a random house)
3 of them
i was going to head out the party at the exact same time but was stopped by the cop as the other cops were banging on the side door
he asked me if I smoke offering me a cigarette
I laughed and said no but I vape
he retorted with “you shouldn’t need that either they should be banned”
I just laughed and said “oh well…”
some party goers were outside with the cop and I, when I had the bright idea to pull a big brain Player One trick on the NPCs of my dream. I tried to get the cops attention but he was busy with something else next to me so
i turned to a random party goer guy and said: “guess what?”
he said what’s up
“did you know that this reality is all just a dream?”
he looked confused
the cop next to me put his hand on my shoulder and said: “They don’t see it either, just look up…”
I slowly look up with sudden dread and creepy music setting in and like a safety pod I ejected myself from the dream and woke up.
this happened today and my heart was racing,
my eyes get watery every time I read this lol
sorry about the formatting
Wow, what an amazing lucid dream! Thanks so much for sharing this fascinating experience with us here on the channel. What a ride!
Wow that was a great video I have not heard about this study. I have often wondered about dream characters in one of my lucid dreams I stared into the eyes of a dream character and felt another consciousness it was a very powerful dream. I have experienced many different dream characters some seem
1 dimensional or give random answers while others seem to be fully featured individuals. In one of my lucid dreams there were many characters around and I was feeling quite powerful so I asked all dream characters to sit down and they all did apart from one dream character that just stood there. I was quite Shocked.
That is fascinating...I really wish there were more studies like this one out there. Sure sounds like you discovered the answer, though!
One time I asked one character in my dreams about a place and he signed something with his hand.. I don't know even a single sign form asl so I searched and searched and searched and when I found the sign he had told me the name of the city I live it was spooky
That's wild
I knew someone very vaguely, only saw him a few times in the pub and didn't talk much. However, I dreamt I was at a party and he told me in the dream that his friend had taken a miniature galleon at a seaside resort, when very drunk at night, and sailed it around the marine lake. The guy had definitely not told me that in real life because I certainly would have remembered it. However, a few months later, I saw him again and he told me that very same story. Another one; I was seeing a girl for nearly 6 years, we were engaged, and I woke up one night after having dreamt that she was telling me she was leaving me, and we were having an argument by the road outside our house. Wind forward 12 months or so and that was the exact scene and argument when she broke the news to me, in the exact same place as in the dream.
Wild!
I had a lucid dream very recently in which I ended up in a train in the middle of space and I witnessed my daily thoughts generate into different characters and come inside the train through a portal, the environment was very horrific. Some dream characters avoided me despite my attempts to speak to them, some were only interacting with each other and the ones that were willing to reply to me seemed very very and I cannot stress this enough, strong minded. I tried to get every ones attention in the middle of the train in order to directly speak to my subconscious mind since I’ve heard that’s where things you don’t know about yourself hide. After one only answered 2 personal questions about me and ignored the follow up question with a laugh, in an attempt to persuade them to speak to me again I stated “ I’m the host of this body, the least you all can do is respect me and answer my questions.” The character that previously answered the questions looked back at me and said “ If you’re not happy I’d be glad to take your place.” I told it no I am happy near-calmly but inside I was kind of freaking out The character signaled backing off with it’s hands but the shock caused me to wake up. This was one of my strangest lucid dream experiences.
Wow that is pretty amazing!
Sounds like they were mirroring your own stressing of the situation and your strong minded attempts to get answers
@@snaker9er That’s very reasonable and interesting. Thank you!
@@laylashneperds821 why didn't you say yes?
@@jaykaneki7448 I like having choices
Internal Family Systems therapy , based on analyzing mental faculties as if they are beings which you talk to. It's a pretty surprising process. I think that is just how human mentality works. We confuse ourselves by thinking our internal dialog is us.
It definitely is--dissociation is a natural mental process.
Interesting video. I have only ever had one lucid dream but that was several years ago. Nonetheless, a few points:
1. If something is conjuring up the dream characters then could it be conjuring up you the dream character?
2. Perhaps, it was always you conjuring up both your dream character and the characters you meet. Except you didn't know it.
3. How do you know that in the waking state your waking character is not conjured up, but is the real you?
4. Deep Sleep is dreamless. Yet everyone recalls it. How would you know that?
These are fantastic questions--all worthy of further investigation, I think. Jung argued that the ego is indeed emergent from the Self. The psyche definitely has the ability to make many egos--just look at dissociation. Also, even deep NREM sleep can still have dream activity.
I feel like this is an example where knowing is dangerous
Interesting perspective! Care to elaborate? What might be dangerous, do you think?
@@theimaginarium perhaps if your soul leaves your body and wanders to the astral plane, it could become a vessel for something else. kind of like in that horror movie. maybe your concioussness can be trapped somewehere forever if you are not careful and no one is around who knows how to get you out of that situation. that would in fact be the worst fate you can meet.
I’m so glad this doesn’t naturally happen to me. I had to take a teaspoon of Ormus(Gold) for about a week in order to astral project. It’s scary as hell, and my curiosity always led me to want to ATTEMPT to TRY and spend time in that realm, but I would freak out within seconds. It was my fear of being stuck in that world and never being able to come back. Knowing another dimension outside of this one is happening tripped me out. After leaving the Ormus alone, immediately and luckily my calcification came back to my pineal gland and the projection stopped. Because involuntary almost every night it would happen. To the point I would sleep in a position that was easy for me to wake up.
I don't know much about the use of ormus, so I would definitely avoid it, myself.
In the ordinary examination of the three states (waking, dream, and deep sleep), there’s a bias in which I’m taking the waking state as the measurement to evaluate my experience of dreams and deep sleep. This unique sub-teaching of Vedanta challenges us to give up this bias. And to examine what exactly the experience is. What is my experience? Of my waking state when I’m awake. And what is my experience?
Further, the third state, instead of saying from the waking point of view, “it was a deep sleep.” I didn’t know anything. I was unconscious. And then I woke up, and the world, the real world, appeared instead of the dream. What was the experience of the deep sleep, your experience at that you were experiencing deep sleep? In other words, we need an unbiased unprejudiced view.
We should examine each experience from the point of view of the experience of the state. Of course, this is not easy to do. But it is pretty doable with little effort.
Fascinating!
The characters on my dreams are pretty much like npcs in a videogame.
Have you ever seen Free Guy? Better watch out for those npcs...
In my non lucid dreams they often feature friends or family and i speak with them, but less often i have spoken with strangers. But I cant recall any long or significant conversations. But in my occasional lucid dreams i can't recall really speaking much with anyone i didnt know. My lucid dreams often have no one about and i go looking for people and find only a few. I normally just try to fly which sometimes works, but i cant always do it or it doesn't last long.
That sounds pretty cool nonetheless
2:14 Yes they tell you stuff you don’t know, show you things you’ve never saw. I think of them as spirit guides taking the form of whatever they know to get your attention, so even that, would imply some degree of consciousness, or rather, intelligence.
Based on what you are saying and the study, it is plausible they are the parts of the people we know that can only be communicated in a specific way. I am in touch with all that stuff so I can read it pretty well usually, it’s like there is a real time physical connection taking place here, but there is also some unconscious type mechanism interacting with everything, including those we meet, like what is happening for us, it’s happening for them too. We just don’t see it in our physical, conscious body’s. But it does happen. Something is happening, at least, I think it is. It could just be the brain or mind, or human, or whatever this is just isn’t properly understood though. So we try understand it from this physical conscious level, but we can’t, cause they are separate. Separate models of understanding. This ties in to visual based learning, and prophetic ideas. I think this is what the mind does, or, it’s at least within the parameters of our existence. It’s like gazing eyes catching another gazing eye, very rarely, do the two meet. But when they do, it is unquestionable.
Again, much of which I write probably won’t make sense, you more have to be able to come from the place i’m coming from primarily, to properly understand. Without experience, it will just be words in the case of describing this kind of stuff.
Agreed
Last night i had the most wildest lucid dream, i was been chased and became Lucid, then this guy came up to me and started to show me a technique on how to become more lucid during lucid dreams, this was perhaps the most realistic character in a dream, it felt so real. He showed me how to mould dreams over simple shapes, like tapping on backdrop windows that were emptying, there was three windows and a door i kept tapping and after every tap the picture changed, a light would turn on, people could be seen looking out, one door looked like a painting and after three taps it became a real door, when i returned for the 4th knock the door was open, i looked through and seen 3 characters sitting down, two parents (elderly) and a child, without asking my walked in. The characters were genuinely suprised by this, my guide behind. Said be careful he had never seen this happen so quickly. I asked questions, like where am I? The older lady smiled and said we'll answer your questions but relax, stay where you are and stand. For some reason i was too brazen, and sat on a chair, the child who said so sternly like an adult, she told you to stand not sit down. Asked a number of questions, some stupid, but i asked was there a God? She smiled and she said ''of course, ges up north and he's down south, it's everywhere. I asked for something that no other person knows, she wrote me a maths equation, and she said that would answer a lot of our questions, my maths is not the best and it looked like gibberish to me. The guide said i had overstood my welcome and i needed to leave their house, the energy shifted and they became somewhat hostile, i left the house in a hurry. But it felt so so real
That is amazing, thanks for sharing!
Man, this made me wanna pick up lucid dreaming again. I do wonder how much the "techniques" used to induce it matter, vs the unconscious mind simply granting us permission to be lucid which would make us think the techniques "worked".
Frustratingly enough, in my most recent lucid dreams when I was "practicing" them, they were very barren. I felt very lonely. And if there were people, they'd turn out to be inanimate statues.
I did see characters once, especially a character from internal fantasies that I've wanted to meet. Said character warmly smiled at me before disappearing. The rest of the people there just seemed like NPCs, with very simple coding. They were all cultists for some reason too, perhaps almost "braiwashed" into being simple. Weird stuff, but a fun memory to come back to.
You've earned yourself a sub! Awesome content. I came from the Jung to Live By channel :D
Glad to hear it! Your experiences are certainly fascinating and warrant a much deeper exploration with a trusted mentor/therapist/advisor. Glad to have you aboard!
I have an episode on lucid dreaming also--check it out!
Great writers of fiction claim that their characters are in some way consciencee and by being so, determine thier on path in the story. Perhaps conscienceness is also bestowed upon (or connected with) these dream charactors once they take on their particular roles. To elaborate a little further, one might suggest that conscienceness experiences itself through the interplay of Actor, Charactor and obverver, regardless of actual dimension in which it occurs.
Very good point. I like this idea.
There needs to me more research on this.
I totally agree.
I've had a lot of lucid dreams, well over a hundred of them. I have found that every dream character, when you started trying to meaningfully interact with them, pretty much ceased to function. They went mute. They were all one trick ponies who, when pressed, couldn't even repeat their one trick.
That is definitely fascinating! I wonder what's up with that?
@@theimaginarium I don't know but MHO is that there are at least two kinds of dreams: 1) Most dreams and that includes most lucid dreams are artifacts of the dreaming persons subconscious. The subconscious extremely limited in what it can do in the way of dreams: It can put up characters of a sort but they can't do much and can't even stay stable for a split second. They are changing in every dimension, that is in color, in size, in shape, in sex, etc.. @) The other type of dream is very rare and is produced by the "overmind" . These are the sort of dream that Jung seems to have had from time to time. Characters here are stable and exist "from their own side".
@@jesuisravi Yes, Jung differentiated between everyday dreams and "big" dreams, which were more from the collective unconscious.
This is a very interesting question. Recently, i asked a dream character is a lucid dream what they were. the answer was gobblegook. in some other lucid dreams, i have felt that some, maybe once or twice, dream characters are not dream characters at all but some other type of consciosnesses external to my own mind. in one distinctly powerful LD, i felt that another character in the dream was another LDer.
That's pretty wild! I haven't done any videos on parapsychology yet, but maybe I should!
@@theimaginarium Part of the other dream was also what looked like my grandmother. However, it was like a static image and i asked "her" "are you my aunt?" (lol). No response or reaction. but Straight out of David lynch's twin peaks II type deal - she dispappeared like a tulpa. That is when a more active dream character appeared. Some other dream characters by the way seem on occasion to lack awareness. they have a zombie look. In some other past lucid dream, i asked dream characters to charge me with awareness. in consequence, they lost (!) they awareness. WTF?!
@@rmoisio The psyche is never simple, is it?
@@theimaginarium why would it? he
tf does gobblegook mean
That was VERY interesting! Thank you for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is indeed the most amazing thing I have ever heard,
Isn't it wild? I love it.
@@theimaginarium Yes it is. Good content keep up the amazing work.
This is really neat thanks, it is a little annoying because dreams are supposed to be an escape from reality where you can do whatever, but for example, if dream characters are conscious beings it raises a ton of ethical quandaries about how they should be treated and everything. On the otherhand, it means you can form genuine relationships with people who are also you which I think is fascinating
Indeed, it is quite wild and brings up a lot of weird questions!
I had a dream where I suddenly became aware that it was a dream. I was talking to someone I knew and suddenly I realized it wasn’t them. As soon as I realized that they looked different, the figure in front of me became so clear and the face was like a shadow (like black smoke). When I confronted him and told him he wasn’t the real person, he got really upset and kept trying to hide his face. I could feel him trying to push me out of the dream, but I kept asking who he was and why he was pretending to be the person I know. He just kept getting more and not angry. It was really creepy.
That does sound creepy!
Loved this insight and breakdown!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
Dreams are weird. I remember a couple years back I had two dreams where I was a completely different person with a completely different life. In one of these dreams I was a teenage boy instead of a girl. It was a surreal experience but it felt so real.
It happened to me a few weeks ago too! And it was distressing because I was getting convinced that my life to this point was an illusion and this new person I woke up as is the reality. It was extremely vivid and convincing.
That's really cool.
Very interesting!
In one of my dreams about a year ago I was a woman in her mid twenties but the upsetting aspect wasn't there because I didn't remember I'm usually a man (and several years older than that) until I woke up again.
What's up with the ambience sound 😭I love this video tho, very interesting topic. Back in the day I used to think a lot about whether it is possible to learn details about our real world in a dream that we had no right to know before. The first story about this boy's girlfriend brought me back to these thoughts a bit
Yeah that was back when I used background music...this one is especially creepy music of Ligeti. Cool dream!
I once had a lucid dream where I asked my mother (inside the dream) if I can meet my subconscious mind. Now, when I told her that, she stared at me with a look of surprise mixed with bewilderment on her face as if to say ''what are you talking about? you're not allowed to say that". the dream after that faded And I woke up. I really wonder why she gave me that look without saying anything.
Very interesting Sushi Kome! Hard to say why she might react like that.
I’ve heard the easiest way to have a conversation with your subconscious in a lucid dream is to spawn a dream character and decide that they are your subconscious. Then just have a conversation. Technically, you could have a conversation with any dream character that isn’t based off of someone you know or someone with a defining trait because everything in your dreams is you and your subconscious.
@@marqgz I will have to try that! Seems like it could be very effective.
@@theimaginarium alright! Also, what is more effective? WILD, or FILD?
@@marqgz That's the question, isn't it? For me, it's WILD. But that's just me.
You blew my mind here.
It's wild isnt it?
I HAD A LUCID DREAM BESTFRIEND NAMED GRINNY CAT AND HE WAS MY FRIEND SINCE I WAS 5 (NOW I’M 12 AND HE’S STILL MY BESTFRIEND) ,AND ONE DAY MY LIL 5 YEARS OLD BROTHER SAID THAT HE DREAMED ABOUT A RED CAT NAMED GRINNY THAT IT WAS HIS BESTFRIEND EVEN IF I DIDN’T TELL HIM ABOUT IT.....!!😳😳😳
Wow thats really cool!
It's a Demon , he only wants your attention.
I like how they went with Orlog and Charm :)
I know right? I didn't get into the interesting term in the video, but that was a strange choice, wasn't it?
It gets pretty simple if you assume conciousness is not a product of the mind but sovereign entity that you can experience because of your mind.
Yes, the prism theory works here
This is right up my street. If you want to have a chat about lucid dreaming and the possibilities, get in touch!
There are things I'd like to find out. Recently I am having a phenomenon that some may describe as hypnopompic hallucination. Usually just before waking from sleep (mostly at day time) i find myself conscious and aware while my body is still sleeping. Though I'm not able to rise up and go place like in a classic astral projection but i can flex my hands and feel objects and sometimes people around my invisible environment. It feels 100% real. Make me strongly suspect that we are living in dimensions that overlap eachother.
Can you explain that phenomenon and have you experienced anything like it?
@@nelsonsaliu5295 It definitely sounds like hypnopompia or the start of a lucid dream. I have been practising lucid dreaming for 15 years now. I do occasionally record my experiences on my channel. I interviewed Robert Waggoner and my last lucid dream on the channel was recorded in a video about 'quasimodos'.
Thanks for commenting!
I asked a character in my dream, where he was from and proceeded to tell me he was from atlanta...
For a second it seemed like I was meeting a real person's avatar..
Wow thats pretty interesting! What did they say?
@@erikgoodwyn9133 I don't remember if they said anything else after but I remember thinking to myself..how crazy is it that this dream person is from a city in the US that I have never really thought about..why atlanta?
Wild!
I asked my mom in a lucid dream if she was conscious, if she could think. She said no, the words just come.
Interesting
I remember saying to a dream character that he should've been retired 10-13 years ago and he took me aside and basically interviewed me and said how do you know this? And I wasn't scared but it was just interesting that they are triggered with time questions or suggestions.
Fascinating!
There’s a creature that follows me from dream to dream. Tall, shadowy figure with a pale white face (probably a mask) and an open chest with exposed ribs and heart.
Tries to attack me but any source of light (flashlight, sun…) will destroy it for the entirety of the current dream, but it will come back
Fascinating! What do you suppose it means?
How long have u been having this dream. Theirs reasons this could b happening. One that I know of could b cause by trauma from something terribly bad. Sorry 2 hear u have been going through this. I know it's hard to do for certain people but u need to fight this entity head on. Show it no fear. U r the ruler of ur dream world. Hope that helps.
It made seem scary in the moment, but if you can the next time you meet this thing, don’t run from it or scream but simply ask “why are you chasing/attacking me?” It’s your subconscious the answer will be given
dream characters are the lingering spirits around you
how do i know? im psychic and the spirits harassing me are visiting me in the dreamworld too
That sounds exhausting
I once had a (non-lucid) dream where it was specifically another world where people go after... Something, death was implied but also obviously incorrect. No one there looked "human", not even me, our form was a representation of something. It was explicitly implied to me, as in "I came to know" that "time doesn't exist in this world", you could exist forever, past present and future were mixed, everyone knew and was okay with it, even myself. You could be angry at someone for what they're going to do in the future and everyone though it was perfectly reasonable because it's that person who would do that thing.
Wow that is wild. Sounds kind of like an NDE
Seen this in few comments in other vids and with interesting outcomes
It is saying "this/you are just a dream " to a dream character or multiple characters
Often I see in the comments is of anger and denial from the characters. Like doing creepy stuffs and scaring the dreamer, creepy looks and event. As if the characters and the dream is angry that it is said. As if they want to prove they're real, as if something in them is triggered
Some do say theirs is more chill, with the dream and characters being benevolent and not doing malicious acts.
Very true
The subconscious controls about 90% of your memory. Your consciousness is a calculator, that uniquely has "recall" or what is the ability to access parts of that memory based on how frequently that memory is used. When you dream you involuntarily share parts of your processing unit with your subconscious in return for a realistic environment. Your subconscious isn't more knowledgeable than you, but is significantly faster than you, so when you're in a lucid dream the dream itself knows far more about you and your reality in a moment than your incredibly slow consciousness in that same moment. This would make the subconscious appear to be its own being. This explains the rhymes and math easily, and everything else is probably the subconscious utilizing memory the consciousness likely hasn't accessed more than once.
Interesting perspective!
And another thing, how are people so used to, and accustomed to the spirit realm that they can just run around asking entities questions and stuff? I’m not saying that one should be a scaredy cat, but why be so presumptuous like you’re the boss of that realm. On earth the mouth and words is how we gain understanding but in the spirit realm you CAN observe and use your mind instead of all the lip talk/asking of time/day/names like we do here on earth?
Good question! Caution is order, it would seem.
@@theimaginarium definitely my wise brother
Dude they are stupid with conciousness that do everything in their way that actually works no matter what they want, u can talk to them about anything and they will come with a response, but the way they are created is by your perception about people, people around u, ur wife, ur kids, how u see them as in real life can have impact on how they respond in your dreams, as if they really were going to say the same in real life. It’s crazy how we pick all that just from observing one another
Love it! I definitely agree with you. It's logic. If the psyche can generate my consciousness, why can it not generate more than one?
@@theimaginariumdefinetly subbed dude ur videos rock
@@loosecIit Thanks!!
I am a songwriter and have had dream characters compose entire verses of song for me. Or, what I guess I should say is that I stole their original work and passed it off as my own? Hahahaha. Oh man, would I be in trouble
For real though, interesting video. I didn't know about this. The "people" I encounter in dreams tend either to be bits of myself pr others I've known well, rough surface-only versions of really obscure people from throughout my life, the most basic personal credentials of people I only know of or have only heard of (for example a character who looks like you, about whom I've only just learned, imposed onto a more or less new personality - so for example, a character who looks like you but is maybe the ticket taker at a movie theater I end up going to in my dream).
One question though, during this study was the chase ever just cut to and the dreamers asked direct the question: "So, are you actually alive and aware of what's going on right now, or are you just a cartoon my brain is stringing together out of the information it spends my sleeping time sorting through"?
Also, what if dream people aren't (usually) conscious but are other non-lucid dreamers from "somewhere else" (be it the world as we know it or elsewhere) with lucids being the seemingly conscious dreamfolk we encounter at times?
Basically: normal dreamers become non conscious dream characters for the dreams of others when sleeping. The conscious dream characters equate to waked lucid dreamers. Hope this made sense (it probably didn't)
P.S. I am a semi-lucid. It's rare now that I'm an adult. And I've never been able to decide to have them. They just occurred when they felt it fit to make themselves occur. And also, I subscribed.
That is a fascinating story! Glad to hear you have subscribed. Look forward to more comments!
@@theimaginarium lol thanks
"What does it mean when you lucid dream and someone tells you they know your lucid dreaming" . This has happened twice. The first time it happened i remember running from people it was like a movie scene thru the hotel the house and then ending up in a little room somewhere , and someone appears and tell me im all good and that and i say im lucid dreaming and he says he knows and from there we took off since we had each other i know he was a guy but he had a suit and silver face no hair no eyes no nothing just a head . recently i had one like this again i didnt know i was dreaming then i realized i was lucid dreaming, later on i tell a girl i was with its crazy that im in a episode right now and if i say it then it will end (didnt wanna say dreaming or lucid dreaming becuz uk how that goes) and she tells me i know the episode and im like ?...also she was making faces as in signailing because we were infront of other people and she knew if she slipped up the dream could end but im like theres no way she knows too mind blowing .and at the same time it felt like i knew who she was in real life but couldnt put a name to it, her energy jus felt familar. then we chatted for a bit out of no where we teleport somewhere and its some lady she was looking mad (guessing she was like a higher up of the dream like the dream characters are npc n she is in control but she also is a dream character) and then shes looking at us both and she cuts somethings arm and boom i wake up a little bit after. crazy dream but what stuck out was how did these dream people know i was lucid dreaming and as well how the girl also was lucid dreaming is this possible or is it my mind
That's really wild. Not sure what's going on there!
Hey Dr,
I keep dreaming of this guy 150 times in 7 months recurring nonstop. I only met him once, and then I dreamed of our second encounter in the physical realm like a precognitive.
This is what confuses me, he’s a pastor in this physical realm. I’ve had so many recurring dreams of him preaching and I attending church services with him. I can’t possibly imagine the architecture of those churches & the vivid church robes in my subconscious mind.
I kept dreaming of schools, buses & him being a teacher. He recently confirmed that he was indeed a teacher and had just retired.
I sometimes find myself telling him in my dream that I dreamed of him often. He speaks sometimes in the dreams but we majority exchange eye contact and just energy, like feelings of his actual soul presence he had in the physical, same energy feeling.
I have come to fall in love with this dream character. I have dreamed up a son with him and he appeared 50 times.
What’s your opinion?
I agree- the intricacies in these lucid dreams are astonishing. I have even felt texture (on a carpet in a dream)
That is very interesting, I'll have to think about that
My dream character made up a technique for chasing game they called it utam what you do is if there are 2 doors you lock the first one then leave the other door open make sure your outside that room them they enter the room from the open door then catch the one your chasing
Pretty interesting technique!
Mine are. They even accept I am dreaming them up.
Thats fascinating
There you go!
I first tried Lucid Dreaming when I was 16 and I had a couple of them at the time, I think the last one I had was a couple of months ago.
Interesting!
What do you have to say about the fact that many when ask their dream characters “what time is it” “what day is it” the dream characters get angry and weird stuff happens?
is that always the case that they do that?
This happens in my lucid dreams as well
Not sure!
I have only had one lucid dream which happened naturally. I was having a dream that was so life like that I did not realise I was in a dream. I had only realised that I was in a dream when something happened which defy reality. My first instinct was to fly realising that I was in full control of my dream unfortunately I panicked I thought I might have been dead which led me to force myself to wake. I have never had another one would really love to do it again. Ever since I have been intrigued about astral projection.
That's wild!
Those dream characters are essentially your subconscious so when you think about it its not all that surprising they know a dream is acurring before the dreamer does. What interests me is how they remember past dreams and seem to have unique personalities. I was once speaking with a dream character and i asked how many lucid dreams ive had and he told me ive had many more than i even realize because ive achieved lucidity in dreams that i forgot having when i woke up. Very interesting how he knew that. I also asked once if they were self aware, if i remember correctly my dream characters got very scared by the question and started freaking out screaming. Ive also encountered a dream character that was unlike any other ive ever experienced. I had no influence on him and he was actively preventing me from waking up, he also knew we were in a dream. This dream character was truly unlike any other, he attacked me and we flew around battling each other with all the possibilities of my imagination. Thinking about it, it really seems like he was coaching me or testing me.
Fascinating!
@theimaginarium everything about lucid dreaming is fascinating. If you were to tell someone that has never heard of lucid dreaming about it they would probably think you were making stuff up or talking about psychic abilities. Which, if you think about it, is exactly what lucid dreaming is. It's an inate ability our brains have.
Your content is really underrated for how imfformitive it is 👍 i love this shit
Thanks! Make sure to tell everyone to join in 😁
Thanks for giving credit to Dr.Tholey whose research was always a little out of the ordinary. But science wouldn't move a step forward if it wasn't for such people. A Gestalt psychologist and pioneer in Lucid Dream studies, along with Stephen LaBerge. Unfortunately, Tholey died with just 62. And yes, the fact that dream characters seem to have a life of their own is a little spooky. But not as spooky as your background music 😁
So true. And yeah, the background music is Ligeti...creepy stuff to be sure. I'm really glad for Tholey and his super-creative ideas to study.
this background music is so eerie
It's Ligeti!
I dunno why this video was in my watch history, I don’t remember clicking it or watching it. It synchronistically ties in to something i’ve been pondering though, and what i’ve uncovered, at least experientially is that these parts of consciousness, seemingly originated from our conciseness, or communicating with our consciousness, is in fact that they too, have their own consciousness. Words written may not make sense, but if you’ve understood it first hand, they’ll possibly make sense.
There ya go!
And another thing, I can tell people are confusing their testimony of DREAMS, with LUCID DREAMS. Dreams are faster, and are normally events that take place in a fast-like bundle with no clear reason for the events. But Lucid, is a bit slower and more similar to being on earth, in the sense YOU control every proceeding move, and multiple events don’t just take place all fast-like.
Interesting distinction!
I see one assumption that I disagree with, that dreams are "in our heads", and another one that is not put on the table, that dream characters are driven by a system, similar to our AI engines like ChatGPT and all.
The AI system can have all the information and the characters (NPCs) are just avatars (interfaces) of that AI system.
Questions should be aim more into "free will test", like "choose between a 0 and 1 and explain your choice".
That would be interesting!
Great video 🔥
Thanks!
@@theimaginarium keep making them you are a Great soul/mind
Every time I'm lucid, they always try to do something so that I'm not lucid anymore
Wot that's annoying I wonder why
@@theimaginarium this is my hypothesis. A normal dream is a dream where the dreamer is not aware of it. the dream character's job is to keep the dream normal. If the dreamer begins to realize that he is dreaming, then the dream world becomes abnormal, and that is where the dream character's job is to return the dream to normal. my hypothesis was strengthened after I conducted the experiment. Usually, when I am doing normal activities in a dream and then I realize that I am dreaming, I will leave that activity and do something else based on my will, because I am aware and in control. that's where the dream characters started to bother me. So I did an experiment where when I was doing certain activities in a dream and then I realized that I was dreaming, I continued with the activity and pretended as if I didn't realize that I was dreaming, and the dream characters didn't bother me, they just stayed there. busy with their activities without paying attention to me. sorry I only use google translate because my english is bad
The concept of "you"; possibly goes way deeper than you think. From your own subconscious down to a collective centralized subconscious. You can write to and read from it.
That is certainly what Fredrick Myers thought--I can't say I disagree.
@@theimaginarium I'll look into it. There is a nice scene in Robocop 4, in which they bypass the human and make the machine shoot
then send an interrupt to the human to make him think he did the shooting. The issue of chaos control when applied to social systems, also requires centralized data gathering, simulating for future failure scenarios and going back to the real-time system for interventions (that is how new robots don't fall). This chaos control system in the universe is called Vishnu-the maintenance and repair god- in Hinduism trinity. Parallel to your research: Are we in some ways dream characters, of a centralized subconsciousness? Maybe. Whatever imagery that bubbles up into our awareness, might be calculated by and coming from various levels, and going very deep. Just some more food for thought.
@@erkinolmez9187 absolutely fascinating! Do you think hard AI is possible?
This is in parallel to spawning/manifesting (literal) dream characters and objects as a lucid dreamer. We should see all experience as content pretty much like the experience of a youtube video. It, probably, is malleable to commands from its experiencer. A soul (the lower layer of a dream ego) is a stack of memory that contains content experienced (your youtube history) from future and past lives (rebirth). A conscious entity at its lowest core has to be defined as a sensing, task processing, responding functional (not necessarily occupying a volume) unit (and under this definition dream characters are conscious). Every point in the universe can be read from and wrote on. See Kali coming out of Sri Ramakrishna, holographic nature of universe, and Indra's Net.
If elders are right: Consciousness (and space following the creation of the former) was there before the "form" realm, and exists outside of the universe (as a point in the formless realm), pouring into it at every point (mind behind space). It is faster than light, because it is outside of the universe only interfacing with it. The hard problem of consciousness has been solved by Buddha, we just need to scientific experiments to prove it.
i know this might be weird but imagine if dream characters were other humans asleep
That certainly would be weird! How might you be able to test that hypothesis?
@@theimaginarium i'll ask them questions that relate to them being asleep tonight and i'll try and get back to you with the results! ( if I remember! )
@@notusing-bla wonderful. I can't wait to hear the results.
You are talking about inception movie
As an avid lucid dreamer some are some aren't, but some are good some are not
True.
Or are some of them thought forms that have not been given enough energy to exist in this dimension, yet, so they exist in another until us little gods think them into existence here. I do also believe there is the remembering of other lives we have lived as well going on in dreams so the characters could be from that as well.
There are many intriguing possibilities, aren't there?
This is the first time I've believed other stories like this, I do it a couple times a week. It's the oddest thing. It's crazy lol. But I love it
It really is!
For some reason I was always convinced that there are others in my dreams. Many are just random NPCs to populate the dreamscape and create a realistic background, but the major characters ... No. To me they were always real. People I dream of rarely look like they do in real life, but in the dream I know who they are, even if they appear as animals or in a more phantastic shape. But through this appearance I always learn something about them I did not know in my waking life.
And sometimes I meet strangers. I know that in the dream, it's a very strong feeling. There are differences between the people I know and the strangers. Those feel more real, more concious. The people I know are no dreamers, they are there but have no control of themselves.
The others ... I always have the feeling they have full control. I'm somewhere in the middle. But I can somehow feel the difference between the two.
And I don't care what science says. 😂 I prefer to believe that these are real people who mastered the art of dreaming and come for a visit. Maybe they are curious. Maybe they want to help with something. Maybe they want to know why I populate my dreams with such strange creatures. Why I recognize them without being fully lucid. I would like to ask them, but unfortunately this is beyond my control. For some reason I can't make real contact with them.
Interesting theory!
Omg another one - a guy told me exactly which drug my son needed for his skin condition to clear up - and it wasn’t one any doctors had suggested so I told the doctor the drug name and they tried it and it worked he also asked where I got this drug name I said from my dream
That's wild!
@@theimaginarium yes so I think they are more than dream characters they’re more like angels to me
When they say something important I always forget what they said I lucid dream most of the time recently
So annoying!
Are they conscious? I had a dream character once tell me the dream is reality, reality is the dream. Are they real? I was Lucid, I went to pick up a woman dream character by her waist, I was moving her off a chair onto the floor. I know it was a dream, but I felt her pelvic bones through her skin, and she said that pinches, let me down. That's what freaked me the F out. I started thinking, how real is all of this?
It can get really spooky, can't it??
Dream character believe there world is real they don’t like when you confront them too much they will dis appear they are made of white mist..
The lucid dream is a thought responsive environment, therefore if the dreamer recognises the dream character, it is quite probable that the brain will pull up their history and get into character. People can sure have multiple consciousness in the same brain, I for one because I have a tulpa. It’s called being plural. But I’m not of the belief that dream characters are like this. But who knows. Maybe some peoples are. What I know for sure is that there is much more in my brain than just my autonomy. Much more that can cause things.
There is a lot going on in the brain, definitely.
Wasn't there a famous author/philosopher/thinker, back in the 1960's and 1970's who was convinced that when you go to sleep and dream, in our reality, you actually "wake up" in the dream world?
Not sure, but that's wild anyway
I remember bits and pieces of all my dreams, i have come to the conclusion that they are all real and probably most likely dreams are plains collectively created hense why sometimes you are given information about future events. If you spoke to someone before he put forth an idea to the world, you would have prior knowledge.
Interesting theory!
Interesting, but how does it show that they are distinct personalities? They could be just models generated by the subconscious, by brain neural network, which collects much more data from the environment than is available for consciousness, processes it and, obviously, can generate unexpected responses or something "new".
Ah, but how do we know ego consciousness itself isn't "just" that, too? Even if so, it doesnt solve the problem of qualia in either case!
@@theimaginarium Yep, I don't know.
Hello The Imaginarium! See I’m no expert and in fact I'm just a regular old person who randomly thought about this one night. (So sorry if I seem a bit dumb trying to talk about this haha.) One thing I am though is very creative and open minded. I started researching this topic to see if it was even talked about and to my surprise it is! But after lots of research for a couple of days I found not much new information on this topic so I decided to come up with my own theory as to how dream characters appear to be conscious and thought It would be cool to share :)! Here is my theory: It’s your subconscious mind. Your subconscious mind is a very powerful thing, one thing it does is control your breathing. But while you're breathing you can become aware of it and sometimes break this pattern of constant breathing. So lets say dream characters were made by your subconscious mind, then becoming aware of them such as lucid dreaming, you should be able to “break these characters” right? No. But! Your subconscious mind also controls things like digestion, and you can’t control that by becoming aware of it, (that would be cool though!) So now let's say dream characters are still from your subconscious mind but they are less like breathing and more like digesting. That would mean dream characters are extremely important, and it's even more important to not be able to mess with them. But why? Maybe because if we could “break them” it could mess up the way we perceive people. We see people as individuals with their own thoughts and feelings. But if we could somehow think the thoughts and feel the feelings of our dream characters it would be how WE perceive that person. It couldn’t be their actual thoughts or feelings because we couldn’t possibly know that. Maybe our subconscious mind is keeping us from knowing more? I really want to figure this out and will keep thinking. I want to know what your thoughts are on my theory? Also this is an amazing video! It helped me a lot to understand this topic! Thank you :)!
Thanks!
When someone says they dreamt of you and realizing that thing is in no way you and wondering who they where talking to😩
Pretty wild isnt it?
I once asked a dream character (while lucid). Are you purely a creation of my mind or are you an entity in your own right? They responded " a bit of both". So perhaps your mind can create entities....
Exactly!
If that doesn’t spook you, you haven’t really thought about it 😆 thanks for the knowledge 🙏🏽
You're welcome!