No, not dead but not as popular as it was 10 years ago....I'll give you an example. Phoned Paneri UK 3 weeks ago enquiring about a 389. One week later they have two, which never would have happened 10 years ago...
Felt weird wearing a Pam when it was a "fad watch". Had to switch to Rolex for a while to escape prying "fashionistas". Love the fact that Panerai's fad died down. The Pam is back on the wrist and the good ol' Rolex is back in the safe. Pams are just so much fun to wear.
I think when it comes to Panerai, the simplier it is, the better it gets. The true "panerista" appreciates the plain look of the dial, sometimes even prefering the no sub-dial version. Just to say, its very difficult to change something just to "do something new" with this kind of public. The most strict aficionados would consider a too complicated watch something that doesn't resambles a true Panerai. Moreover, despite the introduction of their in-house movements, fact that marked the end of use of ETA movement for Panerai, many true lovers of the brand, at least here in Italy, still prefer the more traditional Unitas-based models. As a lover of the brand, I really do like the more complicated models and the experimentations with materials in the Submersible line, just because its something necessary to elevate the lineage of the brand, but i still prefer the semplicity of a "solo tempo" dial in a traditional 44m luminor, thinking that owning a Panerai is more something for yourself than a way of show off. Perfect watch for a watch enthusiast. Greetings from Milano
Less is more and panerai have quality and the style for some people for that reason you find lot of copies around because people want it but can’t afford it...
@@lucagenovagaia6085 certo che in un contesto internazionale, rispondere in italiano...vai a mettere a posto la frizione della moto che è cosa buona e giusta
Panerai innovates with different materials and people complain it should o back to its roots. Panerai makes a heritage model people complain its the ame repetitive design. Rolex makes the same submariner for 50 years, then comes out with a different color bezel and people lose their minds going on a waitlist for 3 years to get them.. Its al about instagram hype nowadays. Also fakers fake Rolex much better than Panerai. You can pick up a Rolex super rep for around 500 usd anytime
Haha absolutely agree. Rolex changed the size case of sub to 41 and put green bezel people got mad. Lol. Panerai is a good brand. Patek rolex ap hype brands now.
"fakers fake Rolex much better than Panerai" And Rolex responds making small changes so that fakers are always two steps behind. Panerai responded by making it easier for fakers to catch up. It's not complicated.
@@CorkKNIFE not really no. Closed casebacks plus minor case changes in 10 years you think give the fakers a hard time? The new submariner will be faked before the rolex lets it out of the factory :)
I think a Panerai wearer is a fan of the history of the brand. Not trying to show of the watch or look at me I have money/flashy side of things. Panerai’s now days are mostly for people who know about watches, more like what VC is to high horology. Also, it’s ok to be hot and then wind down, prices at that level are not sustainable, unless you are a current SS Sport Rolex model. Or a 5711. That being said, regarding the water eating, they are trying to market the Due to another spectrum of the market, the office/suit/boardroom wearer that likes the brand and wants to wear a Pam under the shirt cuff, you can’t slim down unless you lower the case and lower the water rating. For those more casual wearers you have the Luminor (300m WR) with a thicker 13.5mm case with their new in-house 9010 movement fits the bill for a lot of people. And if you want serious diving, you have the submersible. And now they offer them at 42mm for those who complain about the 44 or 47mm wrist size. The brand is not for everybody, and that’s ok. The only brand that can keep the momentum is Rolex with their SS Sports models, but even those depreciate. Panerai keeps growing globally and specially in the Asian Market where the majority of the world Swiss watch sales go to. Hey, I would take one any day over other “hotter” brands. Cool video, btw 👍🏽
How can Panerai produce a Radiomir like the 574 that is like ~12mm thick, but can’t make the Luminor Due more than 30m? They totally half-assed that watch. It didn’t have to be 300m, but at least give me the same as the “entry level” Rad. The 574 is THE watch for the demographic you described above; anyone who buys the Luminor Due over the 574 made a poor decision.
Hmmm, great production, but the content was a bit weak. Just scratched the surface without getting to the essence of the brand. I think Panerai is seeing a kind of resurgence at the moment. They have their own design and lovely pieces in their collection. Plus they now have their own movements as well. Seeing how well the used prices seem to hold up, I feel we see a nice comeback.
Hey guys, everybody talks here about a downfall of Panerai!!! What about IWC,JLC etc. It is not a downfall of the brands. It is the Hype for some other brands. Patek, AP, Rolex!!!! Some people follow and some lead. And i do not mean the brands. Of course the most follow the hype and because of that the other brands loose the interest to the majority. Get balls and be different. And forget the profit. Watches should be for passionate people not for cold profit orientated speculators.
I'm one of those guys that never got into these... back when everyone was dogging on Rolex, and big into anything but Rolex, I was ahead of the game in that I understood that Vacheron Constantin, Patek Philippe, and Audemars Piguet were indeed the Holy Trinity, but I said Rolex was a "good" and reliable watch, but for me Paneri was just trying to be like Rolex, but it was even more extreme in that it was ALL marketing and no-horology.
I've always like Panerai but the earlier price point on the 2nd hand market was too high for me. Now prices are down and some great pieces can be picked up. Agree that the 'knock-offs' have hurt the Brand as did the 30m Water Resistance. That was crazy!
I’d also like to add, Rolex is likely the most mass produced and replicated watch brand ever, yet people with flashy personalities trying to make a statement keep buying them nonetheless. Rolex will not disclose how many pieces they produce per year, the market is flooded with Rolex watches and frankly they look more the same than Panerai. With Panerai you have a peace of mind that every single piece is produced in limited numbers annually marked on every single watch, meanwhile special additions are never repeated.
It's really upsetting that my holy grail watch (Pam0088 GMT) is considered so badly... but I really do appreciate what you have said about the brand and the issue around fakes..I still enjoy the theatre of opening the pear wood box and the velvet sleeves to show the watch, spare strap, tools...its a real joy ....not sure what they can do to to enjoy the respect they had in the early 2000's ...that said... still cracking watch
I like how people carry on about how Panerai is faked yet no one talks about this with Rolex which is the most faked watch and in most cases almost perfect 🤷🏼♂️. In my opinion Panerai is amazing. They need ti make a come back because this is an amazing watch.
I am a big Fan of Panerai, i do agree with you i think there are too many similar ones, i have the PAM 1537 GMT 3 days power reserve in the dial, in house movement 42 mm and i absolutly love it! I think thats the way panerai should go, good video.
"What downfall? " Seriously? Have you kept up with secondary price? Have you seen Rolex come out with a press-on cases back with 30M water resistance in their sport diver models? If that's not a downfall for a dive watch maker, I don't know what is short of bankruptcy.
If you say you like watches with "more complications" , you have no business opining on Panerai. " I hate shellfish... On a completely unrelated note, here's my critique of this Shrimp Scampi dish !
Those fakes are real problem, they have destroyed second hand market. Prices are all over the place. Being able to flip Panerai, is lot like winning in a lottery. Was seriously thinking of buying, really cool watches.
Thank the Chinese genius watch artisans for that. But it does show that the brand's technology is not as watertight as a Rolex which cannot be replicated to near exactness
As a Panerai fan, I can say you have the points. The fact that Panerai make their iconic model became way bored and more bored. So, only some of their watches has "true" model. Panerai should redefine their true nature again. Also, they should looks and learn from other Swiss brands. TBH, even I can make MY better Panerai watches.
Fire everyone in management. Focus on the crown that made it iconic. Put a major effort into designing its steel bracelet watches. Do all that and they will come back in style.
I am more determined now than ever to buy a panerai and especialy PAM 48. I love its simplicity better than Rolex submariner that has a lot of show off aspect than art. By the way I dont give a damn about the movement.
I would have to strongly disagree. Just like any other watch, it’s a matter of preference. Many of Panerai’s strong points you seem to be citing as their weak points. I own a few Panerai watches and they are the only watch that I don’t get tired of looking at on my wrist. Many of the things you are saying could also be said about Rolex and other popular luxury watch brands. Saying Panerai is dead is far fetched statement...I do agree though about the Panerai Equation of Time peace, I too happen to be a big fan of it. Paneristi
i have Pam 312 and 2 Rolex (Daydate and sub), 1 Bvl, 1 Cartier. But i wear the panerai most of time. it gives me very good feeling. its my cheapest watch but i love it the most
Panerai has make some effort on bringing in complications, with the brand heritage and image IMO make those complicated PAMs "good value", from the perspective of a general watch collector and non-panerasti. But then no Panerai followers talked about them, journalist were not interested and us watch collectors didn't even know they existed, which is a shame. I'm looking into Panerai now in 2022, and some models from the 2010s has (true!)GMT, day/night indication, (linear!) power reserve indicator, zero reset second hand, even a micro-rotor, on top of that the unique Panerai look, all that in the second hand market for ~7000USD, just crazy value!
I love Panerai the brand the History l have a Panerai Pam 422 47mm case size l love you it! The Grey Market prices on Panerai are very good just now great time to buy Recommended watchfinder
...wow - another "expert", have you seen the amount of replica ROLEX, OMEGA, JLC, HUBLOT, IWC.....and all the rest? As for designs, ROLEX just released a HUGE 1mm size increase on the Subs! That'll be that for the next 10+ years. "I don't agree with"?!, you should rephrase to "I don't like"....unless you work for PANERAI -which clearly you don't, BTW, "Loving Watches" is your channel name? - maybe you should just review watches you like
Actors wearing watches does not make the watch. ME wearing the watch is what makes MY watch. Panerai, like any other luxury timepiece, will always be hot and always be in style.
The Luminor Due is Not castrated for cost reasons... slimness was the Goal. Dont like don’t buy 😂 no Brand out there Play more with Funky Materials, and design. Thy watches are very very different, Never Same Same.
Your comment re. being able to reproduce the ETA movements and make them indistinguishable from the real thing is completely untrue. The level of finishing on the genuine item, in particular the Radiomir is exquisite. A fake is easy to spot, even on a super clone. Tbh the new in-house movements with little or no finishing would be easier to pass off. The Panerai look is its trademark, this is why people buy them.
Panerai history is great, but their Richard Millesque attempts of justifying ridiculous prices by introducing high tech materials just does not make sense. The company heritage would be better off with Panerai being an independent small brand, a sort of high end Squale.
But the thing is, i don't think people care that Panerai does something new. Panerai knows their place and what customers they appeal to. I do agree though the design might be something you could get bored with quickly.
My opinion buy the watch you like ... And don't worry about it it's the hot watch at the moment it doesn't matter me personally I love the look of the pam 380
You know, that pubic red hair on your wrist, you know, all around that poor Radiomir, you know. That is what is hurting the Panerai brand image, you know.
Panerai is a unique brand and their designs are simple yet iconic. They have rich & long history, their desirability might have soften in the last couple of years but that does not mean that the brand is dead. OMEGA in the 80s and 90s was not doing so great and now they have reinvented themselves. Panerai is not about complications or resale value if you are looking for that go buy an AP or Rolex oh wait isn't AP also milking the royal oak line and people crazy about it!!!??? It also seems you have not heard about Rolex super clones !? I suggest you watch some RUclips videos. It is just another youtuber who thinks he understands what he is talking about when clearly he's not.
That's weird because I see it more and more now with guests on TV. Recently Sam Harris wore one on Lex's podcast. Saw it on Bill Maher recently too. And a few MMA fighters during post-fight interviews
So then let me ask you a question since you mention that the Chinese made the fakes so good that the guys at the Panerai factories couldn’t tell the difference: is it possible that a fake PAM 194 exists? The divers 2500m in titanium?
To make a brand relevant it needs to attract new customers. The problem with Panerai is that they dont manage to expand their customer base so much. Panerai fans will appreciate this since their watches are more unique and lower priced, but it wont make it relevant in the watch industry.
I agree...I bought the due n I love it.. Not planning to go swimming with it so IDC what others say n neither should anyone! Buy what u love. Greetings from Dubai:)
They would do much better, even if they changed nothing, by coming down in price. I love their watches but they often retail for more than similarly specc’ed Omegas, Rolex, etc.
Hmmm what new content to see? Anything Rolex related (of course). Vids on current watch market. What’s going on with prices in current economic climate etc. So, not just watches. Cheers, guys.
The old eta movements weren’t the problem, it’s their bullshit, they lie about their history, their CEO spends his time liking photographs of fake Panerai watches on IG, they just milked their success dry from 2010 onwards when they changed movement manufacturer and hiked up the prices ridiculously. The old ETA movements were aesthetically pleasing and rock solid for reliability, the Val Fleurier ones aren’t and mostly look like shit. They’ve flooded the market with lots of new models over the past decade so they no longer hold their value and their quality control and customer service is abysmal. I say this as a Paneristi, I’ve five of them and I love them but nothing would entice me to buy a new one.
I have two PAMs, I don't care which celebrity wears it, I don't wear watches because x or y wears it. As for it being a FAD watch, well that is an opinion. I have to say you are outing yourself as a fashionista with your "it has to be a complicated watch", so you are saying you need the watch to draw attention to yourself...not a good look for you and honestly you never answered your posited question. Seriously, skip the stroll down the walk and actually LISTEN to what you are saying, you don't address your own question.
I have the following impressions: (1) Panerai is very collectible and can be sold fast in the secondary market, (2) Panerai watches retain great part of their value, so you will lose just a little money in the secondary market. Some second hand Panerai cost almost the same as a brand new one. I am a Panerai fan by the way. But I have to be honest. There are only 3 brands in the planet that have their value increased over time: AP, Pattek and Rolex. And Rolex is not innovative at all. They keep doing their high quality product, but without any significant design innovation. Maybe there is less hype over Panerai. However, the prices in the secondary market are very close to the prices of a new one. Other brands lose much more value.
Panerai needs to fix a couple mistakes: 1. Pricing structure way to high 2. Stop producing crappy entry level pieces 3. Reduce the number of limited editions
There are many super fakes for rolex. When the subject is panerai , ppl memorised these replica stories . There are many super fakes of rolex watches. Beside this watch is not just a case ! Chinese fakes has cheap movements for cheap people. Never compare a genuine watch with a replica one. Lets look at omega seamaster fakes they look perfect but they arent omega !
this review provides zeroe evidence, it was real hot... when? You don't even specify dates. It's low key dead... do you have numbers for that, I know that Panerai store in Miami and it's a double floor building that pre covid was bumping. Do you have numbers for fledgling sales? Nah. Just a lazy review tbh. Not a Panerai fan, but ffs give an actual depiction here not just baseless opinions.
The problem is that Italy, like Panerai, is overrun with people taking short cuts and looking for quick profits. And that means both senior mgmt and line workers looking to cheat and cut corners or have cash paid under the table, No wonder why so many of their companies have been bought by foreign companies and governments.
you blame the Italians for a brand that isn't owned by an Italian company and isn't made in Italy 🤦. Panerai is owned by a Swiss company and it's made in Switzerland ! Check the facts before saying nonsense
Rolex sports watches look all the same. Rolex is more replicated than Panerai, and Panerai is not dead.
Amen
No, not dead but not as popular as it was 10 years ago....I'll give you an example. Phoned Paneri UK 3 weeks ago enquiring about a 389. One week later they have two, which never would have happened 10 years ago...
@@gavincollins9376 are you buying a watch or perceived exclusivity
@@lilpapi4399 I managed to purchase one before their timeframe.
Felt weird wearing a Pam when it was a "fad watch". Had to switch to Rolex for a while to escape prying "fashionistas". Love the fact that Panerai's fad died down. The Pam is back on the wrist and the good ol' Rolex is back in the safe. Pams are just so much fun to wear.
Agreed .. the reviewer is a kid
I think when it comes to Panerai, the simplier it is, the better it gets. The true "panerista" appreciates the plain look of the dial, sometimes even prefering the no sub-dial version. Just to say, its very difficult to change something just to "do something new" with this kind of public. The most strict aficionados would consider a too complicated watch something that doesn't resambles a true Panerai. Moreover, despite the introduction of their in-house movements, fact that marked the end of use of ETA movement for Panerai, many true lovers of the brand, at least here in Italy, still prefer the more traditional Unitas-based models. As a lover of the brand, I really do like the more complicated models and the experimentations with materials in the Submersible line, just because its something necessary to elevate the lineage of the brand, but i still prefer the semplicity of a "solo tempo" dial in a traditional 44m luminor, thinking that owning a Panerai is more something for yourself than a way of show off. Perfect watch for a watch enthusiast. Greetings from Milano
Getting from Miami Giancomo. Those are great points. Thanks for making them 👍👍
Less is more and panerai have quality and the style for some people for that reason you find lot of copies around because people want it but can’t afford it...
Perfectly put👏🏻👏🏻👌🏻
Uè bauscia, ma pensa al tuo Casio 1998
@@lucagenovagaia6085 certo che in un contesto internazionale, rispondere in italiano...vai a mettere a posto la frizione della moto che è cosa buona e giusta
I hope everyone keeps buying Rolex so I can keep building my Panerai collection. Thanks for sharing your views. Quite a lot of rude people in here !
Great buys available in panerai while Rolex is overvalued
X2!
that is the whoole reason my two latest buy I choose panerai.with that approach rolex lost its appeal to me
When everyone is sleeping on the brand, thats when it’s cool to wear a Panerai again. Stands out in a subtle and simple way.
When your shirt matches your hair......
Panerai innovates with different materials and people complain it should o back to its roots. Panerai makes a heritage model people complain its the ame repetitive design. Rolex makes the same submariner for 50 years, then comes out with a different color bezel and people lose their minds going on a waitlist for 3 years to get them.. Its al about instagram hype nowadays. Also fakers fake Rolex much better than Panerai. You can pick up a Rolex super rep for around 500 usd anytime
Haha absolutely agree. Rolex changed the size case of sub to 41 and put green bezel people got mad. Lol. Panerai is a good brand. Patek rolex ap hype brands now.
"fakers fake Rolex much better than Panerai" And Rolex responds making small changes so that fakers are always two steps behind. Panerai responded by making it easier for fakers to catch up. It's not complicated.
@@CorkKNIFE not really no. Closed casebacks plus minor case changes in 10 years you think give the fakers a hard time? The new submariner will be faked before the rolex lets it out of the factory :)
@@panayiotiskyriacou5118 The new Sub has been on the street for almost 3 weeks.
Whatchu talkin 'bout Willis?
Agree!
I think a Panerai wearer is a fan of the history of the brand. Not trying to show of the watch or look at me I have money/flashy side of things. Panerai’s now days are mostly for people who know about watches, more like what VC is to high horology. Also, it’s ok to be hot and then wind down, prices at that level are not sustainable, unless you are a current SS Sport Rolex model. Or a 5711. That being said, regarding the water eating, they are trying to market the Due to another spectrum of the market, the office/suit/boardroom wearer that likes the brand and wants to wear a Pam under the shirt cuff, you can’t slim down unless you lower the case and lower the water rating. For those more casual wearers you have the Luminor (300m WR) with a thicker 13.5mm case with their new in-house 9010 movement fits the bill for a lot of people. And if you want serious diving, you have the submersible. And now they offer them at 42mm for those who complain about the 44 or 47mm wrist size. The brand is not for everybody, and that’s ok. The only brand that can keep the momentum is Rolex with their SS Sports models, but even those depreciate. Panerai keeps growing globally and specially in the Asian Market where the majority of the world Swiss watch sales go to. Hey, I would take one any day over other “hotter” brands. Cool video, btw 👍🏽
Almost but VC doesn't sell nickel 6497 as limited edition watches.
How can Panerai produce a Radiomir like the 574 that is like ~12mm thick, but can’t make the Luminor Due more than 30m? They totally half-assed that watch. It didn’t have to be 300m, but at least give me the same as the “entry level” Rad. The 574 is THE watch for the demographic you described above; anyone who buys the Luminor Due over the 574 made a poor decision.
Hmmm, great production, but the content was a bit weak. Just scratched the surface without getting to the essence of the brand. I think Panerai is seeing a kind of resurgence at the moment. They have their own design and lovely pieces in their collection. Plus they now have their own movements as well. Seeing how well the used prices seem to hold up, I feel we see a nice comeback.
horrible review, You don't understand the brand enough to make an informed opinion.
Thank you for watching.
This guy is funny maybe Panerai is dead in Miami. Here in Texas my jewler can't keep them in his store they simply fly out ...
I own, 3 breitlings, 3 omegas and 1 Pam 1312. I love my Panerai. Its simple and bold.
I like the PAM111 Luminor Marina. Great video. Show us more clips of Downtown Miami 😉👌
Yeah, the 111 is a classic. Thank you for your comment!
Love mine 'Triple-1' either. They're just classic now
Panerai can tell if it is real. Send it in and they will tell you. Losers at boutiques don’t know.
I don't think we have many consumers sending their watches to manufacturers to tell if they're real or not.
Urban legend that panerai cant say its fake or not lol. Panerai and chinese fakes compare is for fake people only. Sure manufacturer says try it
Hey guys, everybody talks here about a downfall of Panerai!!! What about IWC,JLC etc. It is not a downfall of the brands. It is the Hype for some other brands. Patek, AP, Rolex!!!! Some people follow and some lead. And i do not mean the brands. Of course the most follow the hype and because of that the other brands loose the interest to the majority. Get balls and be different. And forget the profit. Watches should be for passionate people not for cold profit orientated speculators.
I'm one of those guys that never got into these... back when everyone was dogging on Rolex, and big into anything but Rolex, I was ahead of the game in that I understood that Vacheron Constantin, Patek Philippe, and Audemars Piguet were indeed the Holy Trinity, but I said Rolex was a "good" and reliable watch, but for me Paneri was just trying to be like Rolex, but it was even more extreme in that it was ALL marketing and no-horology.
I love Radiomir crown design
I've always like Panerai but the earlier price point on the 2nd hand market was too high for me. Now prices are down and some great pieces can be picked up. Agree that the 'knock-offs' have hurt the Brand as did the 30m Water Resistance. That was crazy!
Thank you for watching and commenting Maurie.
"luxury is having something you don't need, something more than what you need" - well said!
I like what I like, and I like Panerai! Lol.
I like them too man. They just need to remember the good old days.
Me also, also many people too. But, the point is Panerai SHOULD/can be better and better. #GoodOldDays
i own 449,114,1312,668 and 88. Man i love Panerai
Well for some reason Panerai is reeeeeally popular here in Norway 🇳🇴
I’d also like to add, Rolex is likely the most mass produced and replicated watch brand ever, yet people with flashy personalities trying to make a statement keep buying them nonetheless. Rolex will not disclose how many pieces they produce per year, the market is flooded with Rolex watches and frankly they look more the same than Panerai. With Panerai you have a peace of mind that every single piece is produced in limited numbers annually marked on every single watch, meanwhile special additions are never repeated.
800,000 a year
Didn't Breitling start in the military too?
Aaron Autry yes so did many other brands such as Tudor, Rolex, Omega etc
Pannerai have status others.. don't. Period.
It's really upsetting that my holy grail watch (Pam0088 GMT) is considered so badly... but I really do appreciate what you have said about the brand and the issue around fakes..I still enjoy the theatre of opening the pear wood box and the velvet sleeves to show the watch, spare strap, tools...its a real joy ....not sure what they can do to to enjoy the respect they had in the early 2000's ...that said... still cracking watch
I like how people carry on about how Panerai is faked yet no one talks about this with Rolex which is the most faked watch and in most cases almost perfect 🤷🏼♂️. In my opinion Panerai is amazing. They need ti make a come back because this is an amazing watch.
I am a big Fan of Panerai, i do agree with you i think there are too many similar ones, i have the PAM 1537 GMT 3 days power reserve in the dial, in house movement 42 mm and i absolutly love it! I think thats the way panerai should go, good video.
Thanks for the feedback and support Roberto 👍👍
All makes of watches are similar
All the small wrist guys wish Panerai wass dead, they're are jealous the rest of us can wear them, and still love them
What downfall? They make a wide variety of stuff for Elmo here and many others.
"What downfall? " Seriously? Have you kept up with secondary price? Have you seen Rolex come out with a press-on cases back with 30M water resistance in their sport diver models?
If that's not a downfall for a dive watch maker, I don't know what is short of bankruptcy.
If you say you like watches with "more complications" , you have no business opining on Panerai. " I hate shellfish... On a completely unrelated note, here's my critique of this Shrimp Scampi dish !
Those fakes are real problem, they have destroyed second hand market. Prices are all over the place. Being able to flip Panerai, is lot like winning in a lottery. Was seriously thinking of buying, really cool watches.
Thank the Chinese genius watch artisans for that. But it does show that the brand's technology is not as watertight as a Rolex which cannot be replicated to near exactness
As a Panerai fan, I can say you have the points. The fact that Panerai make their iconic model became way bored and more bored. So, only some of their watches has "true" model. Panerai should redefine their true nature again. Also, they should looks and learn from other Swiss brands. TBH, even I can make MY better Panerai watches.
Fire everyone in management. Focus on the crown that made it iconic. Put a major effort into designing its steel bracelet watches. Do all that and they will come back in style.
I had no problem with this review. I only wish it were longer, because I think the reviewer had some interesting things to say!
I am more determined now than ever to buy a panerai and especialy PAM 48. I love its simplicity better than Rolex submariner that has a lot of show off aspect than art. By the way I dont give a damn about the movement.
I would have to strongly disagree. Just like any other watch, it’s a matter of preference. Many of Panerai’s strong points you seem to be citing as their weak points. I own a few Panerai watches and they are the only watch that I don’t get tired of looking at on my wrist. Many of the things you are saying could also be said about Rolex and other popular luxury watch brands. Saying Panerai is dead is far fetched statement...I do agree though about the Panerai Equation of Time peace, I too happen to be a big fan of it. Paneristi
Panerai is more badass than Rolex. Always.
The first Panerei used a Rolex movement.
i have Pam 312 and 2 Rolex (Daydate and sub), 1 Bvl, 1 Cartier. But i wear the panerai most of time. it gives me very good feeling. its my cheapest watch but i love it the most
Panerai has make some effort on bringing in complications, with the brand heritage and image IMO make those complicated PAMs "good value", from the perspective of a general watch collector and non-panerasti.
But then no Panerai followers talked about them, journalist were not interested and us watch collectors didn't even know they existed, which is a shame. I'm looking into Panerai now in 2022, and some models from the 2010s has (true!)GMT, day/night indication, (linear!) power reserve indicator, zero reset second hand, even a micro-rotor, on top of that the unique Panerai look, all that in the second hand market for ~7000USD, just crazy value!
I love Panerai the brand the History l have a Panerai Pam 422 47mm case size l love you it! The Grey Market prices on Panerai are very good just now great time to buy Recommended watchfinder
422 is the most beautiful watch in the world imo.
...wow - another "expert", have you seen the amount of replica ROLEX, OMEGA, JLC, HUBLOT, IWC.....and all the rest?
As for designs, ROLEX just released a HUGE 1mm size increase on the Subs! That'll be that for the next 10+ years.
"I don't agree with"?!, you should rephrase to "I don't like"....unless you work for PANERAI -which clearly you don't, BTW, "Loving Watches" is your channel name? - maybe you should just review watches you like
Thank you for the English lesson. It was refreshing.
Lol something new and original. Rolex has been making the same watch since the 50’s. This Ronald McDonald red headed geek knows nothing.
LOL someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. 🤣
Agree.
They don't need something new, they need to offer more watch for less money, not less watch for more money.
Actors wearing watches does not make the watch. ME wearing the watch is what makes MY watch. Panerai, like any other luxury timepiece, will always be hot and always be in style.
The Luminor Due is Not castrated for cost reasons... slimness was the Goal. Dont like don’t buy 😂 no Brand out there Play more with Funky Materials, and design. Thy watches are very very different, Never Same Same.
Exactly
Your comment re. being able to reproduce the ETA movements and make them indistinguishable from the real thing is completely untrue. The level of finishing on the genuine item, in particular the Radiomir is exquisite. A fake is easy to spot, even on a super clone.
Tbh the new in-house movements with little or no finishing would be easier to pass off.
The Panerai look is its trademark, this is why people buy them.
Panerai history is great, but their Richard Millesque attempts of justifying ridiculous prices by introducing high tech materials just does not make sense.
The company heritage would be better off with Panerai being an independent small brand, a sort of high end Squale.
But the thing is, i don't think people care that Panerai does something new. Panerai knows their place and what customers they appeal to.
I do agree though the design might be something you could get bored with quickly.
Thought on modern Cartier? Something something Tudor?
Excellent content, subscribed, Regards, Giorgia Mondani.
My opinion buy the watch you like ... And don't worry about it it's the hot watch at the moment it doesn't matter me personally I love the look of the pam 380
You know, that pubic red hair on your wrist, you know, all around that poor Radiomir, you know. That is what is hurting the Panerai brand image, you know.
After learning some of the lies Panerai told and stories they made up, I lost the warm and fuzzy for them
Panerai is a unique brand and their designs are simple yet iconic. They have rich & long history, their desirability might have soften in the last couple of years but that does not mean that the brand is dead. OMEGA in the 80s and 90s was not doing so great and now they have reinvented themselves.
Panerai is not about complications or resale value if you are looking for that go buy an AP or Rolex oh wait isn't AP also milking the royal oak line and people crazy about it!!!??? It also seems you have not heard about Rolex super clones !? I suggest you watch some RUclips videos.
It is just another youtuber who thinks he understands what he is talking about when clearly he's not.
That's weird because I see it more and more now with guests on TV. Recently Sam Harris wore one on Lex's podcast. Saw it on Bill Maher recently too. And a few MMA fighters during post-fight interviews
So then let me ask you a question since you mention that the Chinese made the fakes so good that the guys at the Panerai factories couldn’t tell the difference: is it possible that a fake PAM 194 exists? The divers 2500m in titanium?
What are you talking about?
Panerai all the way!!!
You lost something......
1:49 saying basic ETA movement but showing Rolex movement.
To make a brand relevant it needs to attract new customers.
The problem with Panerai is that they dont manage to expand their customer base so much.
Panerai fans will appreciate this since their watches are more unique and lower priced, but it wont make it relevant in the watch industry.
Wrong. The Due watch was for making a dress watch. That’s it.
I agree...I bought the due n I love it.. Not planning to go swimming with it so IDC what others say n neither should anyone! Buy what u love. Greetings from Dubai:)
You really need to stop saying "you know"
I know 😜
They would do much better, even if they changed nothing, by coming down in price. I love their watches but they often retail for more than similarly specc’ed Omegas, Rolex, etc.
You make many people who own Panerai angry lol.. Truth hurts.
I think they should fire Jean-Marc Pontroué and get a new CEO
Regarding well made’s chinese counterfeits, you can say the same thing about Rolex…
Hmmm what new content to see? Anything Rolex related (of course). Vids on current watch market. What’s going on with prices in current economic climate etc. So, not just watches. Cheers, guys.
Thanks man. Appreciate your suggestions 👌
Panerai was a victim of their own success.
The old eta movements weren’t the problem, it’s their bullshit, they lie about their history, their CEO spends his time liking photographs of fake Panerai watches on IG, they just milked their success dry from 2010 onwards when they changed movement manufacturer and hiked up the prices ridiculously. The old ETA movements were aesthetically pleasing and rock solid for reliability, the Val Fleurier ones aren’t and mostly look like shit. They’ve flooded the market with lots of new models over the past decade so they no longer hold their value and their quality control and customer service is abysmal. I say this as a Paneristi, I’ve five of them and I love them but nothing would entice me to buy a new one.
Too pricy, not the best quality control - and just not a cool brand anymore. I once wanted one. Now I don't.
Vintage Panerai are beautiful
Nice review George!
Thanks! 👍
Spot on, agree with you. Cheers mate 👍🏻
Thank you Steve. I take it you're not much of a Panerai fan LOL
@@CRMCharlie 🤣👍🏻
Have a listen to how many times you say “you know”. Just some feedback
I have two PAMs, I don't care which celebrity wears it, I don't wear watches because x or y wears it. As for it being a FAD watch, well that is an opinion. I have to say you are outing yourself as a fashionista with your "it has to be a complicated watch", so you are saying you need the watch to draw attention to yourself...not a good look for you and honestly you never answered your posited question. Seriously, skip the stroll down the walk and actually LISTEN to what you are saying, you don't address your own question.
which downfall lol! They are opening one boutique after the other, worldwide.
Who cares if they're worn by celebs/actors ..... things like that don't matter once you get past your over impressionable 20's.
Dead indeed. My ad have a window for at least 200 unsold panareis for 2 years..sad
Well said! Cheers from “Masters of Time” on Facebook.
Thanks, cheers.
The onion crown could make your eyes water if it’s a Chinese fake.
I have the following impressions: (1) Panerai is very collectible and can be sold fast in the secondary market, (2) Panerai watches retain great part of their value, so you will lose just a little money in the secondary market. Some second hand Panerai cost almost the same as a brand new one.
I am a Panerai fan by the way. But I have to be honest. There are only 3 brands in the planet that have their value increased over time: AP, Pattek and Rolex. And Rolex is not innovative at all. They keep doing their high quality product, but without any significant design innovation.
Maybe there is less hype over Panerai. However, the prices in the secondary market are very close to the prices of a new one. Other brands lose much more value.
I disagree, Radiomir line is timeless classic design from Panerai
Wear what you like and who gives a shit about what people think.
Well said .
i own fake pam with rolex logo..best of 2 worlds
The Problem is : Panerai is no Quality.....Divers-Watches and Diver History with 30 meter waterresistance ? Are you ill ?????
Pretty rusty............. i mean the hair and shirt color
Don’t get you twisted?
You have no idea what you are talking about. And your strap is the wrong size.
Lol and Rolex is not basic
I would say less basic.
30m water resistant diver watch is chaos
Confused by 30 bar =300 metres
Panerai needs to fix a couple mistakes:
1. Pricing structure way to high
2. Stop producing crappy entry level pieces
3. Reduce the number of limited editions
Where's Meghan?
Again rolexing 😂
Could you please upload few fake panerai. We want to know how good and exact they look to the real one.
That's a topic for a future video LOL
There are many super fakes for rolex. When the subject is panerai , ppl memorised these replica stories . There are many super fakes of rolex watches. Beside this watch is not just a case ! Chinese fakes has cheap movements for cheap people. Never compare a genuine watch with a replica one. Lets look at omega seamaster fakes they look perfect but they arent omega !
this review provides zeroe evidence, it was real hot... when? You don't even specify dates. It's low key dead... do you have numbers for that, I know that Panerai store in Miami and it's a double floor building that pre covid was bumping. Do you have numbers for fledgling sales? Nah. Just a lazy review tbh. Not a Panerai fan, but ffs give an actual depiction here not just baseless opinions.
Silence ginger!
What happened to this channel
The problem is that Italy, like Panerai, is overrun with people taking short cuts and looking for quick profits. And that means both senior mgmt and line workers looking to cheat and cut corners or have cash paid under the table, No wonder why so many of their companies have been bought by foreign companies and governments.
It sounds like a countrywide problem then 🤷
Double H H panerai is no more An italian company.
Panerai is part of the Richemont group and is made in Switzerland
you blame the Italians for a brand that isn't owned by an Italian company and isn't made in Italy 🤦. Panerai is owned by a Swiss company and it's made in Switzerland ! Check the facts before saying nonsense
What mince comes out of his mouth!
Their dial is boring a f
No help left,,,,,bail out now