The Dark Side Of Music Piracy
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- What happens when an entire generation commits the same crime?
Do you ever wonder where your illegally downloaded music comes from?
This isn’t the story of Napster...or Limewire...but rather a story of the people who uploaded to these sites... And how they became in the words of the US government
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I don't know what I'd do without warez. I don't even have cable TV, only internet. Everything I watch is pirated. lol.
Now you, can tell a story. Also, I remember chatting on Napster during my college days while watching Futurama at night as I streamed Street Fighter 3 character themes. It only happened once in history. I wasn’t there with these guys, but I know what it felt like…
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I just Googled it and there's an article by Stephen Witt in the new Yorker with the exact same wording as your video. Care to explain? I saw Witt is credited, but "based on" is hardly doing it justice.
I love the quote, "the man who was *crippling* the music industry", right after he himself basically proved that piracy doesn't really affect sales.
Yeah, this whole video wreaks of exaggeration. Man's describing randoms uploading songs to the internet like they're an elite hacker group.
@@jutton11 reeks*
Piracy would have been an ever increasing loss of sales as time went on due to a younger demographic of consumer now being used to piracy and not going the traditional physical way as they have more disposable income, as we've... pretty much seen, its just a bit difficult to translate what happened after the industry collapsed.
@@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701 but then, that isn't one person *crippling* the industry, is it? also, *is* piracy now causing serious damage? I haven't seen any stats on that.
@@0hate9 No, its a process doing that. Im not quite sure why one person would need to be the focus of anything or why one person was brought up.
Piracy studies are a mixed bag. You can basically find a study that demonstrates whatever position you want to take.
All of this said, im an audio engineer. Er, was. Retired now. And i was working for a major label when this whole thing happened and yah.... people want to focus on artists and CEO's, but no one wants to talk about how as a result of piracy, tens of thousands of people lost their job. Producers, engineers, assistants, etc. I watched as everyone around me was forced to retire or fired as hundreds of locations closed down.
There is always a good point to be made about how the industry didnt go with the flow of technology, but you also have to consider how quickly this all happened and the impossible task of completely altering an industry in such a short period of time.
I remember the South Park episode about piracy. After the feds invade Stan’s house, a record executive refers to Britney Spears, I believe, “Because you illegally downloaded music she has to settle with a silver fountain im her backyard instead of a gold one.” Haha
He said she couldn't afford a personal Gulfstream 4 and had to do with a personal Gulfstream 3 instead thanks to illegal downloading 😥
That episode really made me think twice. I couldn’t bear the thought of rich musicians having to settle for a life of semi-luxury
And I think Lars Ulrich wanted a golden shark by his pool, "but he had to wait a few more months to afford it!"
I was thinking about that this whole video
Thing is all that money the artist gets is to prop up their fame and status and Britney is a great example of how the industry and the world around u take it all away and put you in debt forever
incredible the lengths law enforcement goes through to catch these guys as we let known sexual predators walk free.
@A man who rebells against the Illuminati truth!! there is no justice in the American legal system or in those who uphold it. and acab always!!
Yo based
@@luigi7834 justice is lost, justice is raped, justice is gone
@Karbonat Erol No, but it brings forth the reality that money dictates over common sense and morale.
@@TopchetoEU - It is, but I rather die fighting.
I remember when RIAA tried to sue limewire for $72 trillion, which was more than the GDP of every country combined at the time.
Lol yeah that was a classic. Them suing kids for millions of dollars for a handful mp3s was another certified banger of PR lmao
I'm kinda on Dell's side. Oh no, the rapper who's album was released still sold a million copies! I felt bad for him when he got caught. The FBI was just the record label's bitch. I personally buy albums and legal copies of stuff but I'm not gonna cry for Adobe when I get a free copy of a software they decided you have to pay a subscription for
I feel the same way. These greedy companies and their dumba$$ subscriptions to sh!t 😤
@@runker3892 You use linux instead of windows because you're a masochist.
Using linux as a main OS is just hell.
@@runker3892 Hard? No, no OS is hard to use.
Inconvenient as fuck however? Yes.
Being completely locked off from most apps sucks.
No windows games nor apps, the emulators that do exist for that are wildly inconsistent.
Everything feels extremely amateurish too.
I get different budgets, but it doesn't cost much to make an OS look and feel good.
You lose convenience, the ability to use 95% of all apps and 99% of all games, and you have to deal with awful looking, unoptimized menus.
There's a reason why linux is used as a dual boot and not as a main OS.
Even the people who force themselves to use linux have a vm with windows installed.
I bet you do ;).
@@vaalalves the emulator experience on Linux is generally better, not to mention for my workflow Linux simply works better.
I do keep a windows VM just in case, though it hasn't been turned on in months, And the last time it was turned on was to finish it's installation
@@vaalalves generally false but specifically: proprietary software : games with stringent anti cheat, Adobe , pro audio is a pain point.
outside of that most distros aren’t inconvenient and certainly not hard to use. most come with Calamares - they literally install themselves in a few clicks. Desktop Environments (the UI bits, that also contain programs for compatibility..) KDE, Cinnamon, Mate , XFCE can look and feel like windows from default presets. KDE coming closest to UnixPorn out of the box.
Pirating is a victimless crime. The people who produce or create the media that you are pirating are already far richer than you will ever be. They wouldn't even notice the missing income if not for their greed.
Ikr, it's horrific that the FBI is so influenced by private sector money that they'd spend millions to chase down stoners who work at CD pressing plants instead of CP rings. Just a terrible, profligate waste of the taxpayer dollar
@@jackeldridge1319 The entire FBI is dyslexic, they confuse their P's and D's, so its easy to understand the mixup.
Joking aside, yeah, it's a damn shame. Let's focus heavily on making the rich richer, that's far more important than children being diddled or murderers roaming the streets. Definitely gotta focus on that 1%, make em feel welcome so they'll keep paying their taxes like the good boys and girls they are.
@@JG_Wentworth Lol spot on dude. Only thing is they don't pay their taxes, they use loopholes to dodge that. They donate to the Dems and Reps, and the FBI's compliance with the 1% is therefore necessary to get funding at all
Disagree, just because the target is rich doesn't make it victimless. It's a rich victim but a victim nonetheless.
@@asatsuki9250 They don't mean that it's a victimless crime because the people being pirated are rich. If you look into piracy statistics you'll see that piracy has little to no negative impact on sales, and in many cases actually *increases* sales.
I strongly believe that sending a full squad of men in vests and helmets with guns to a pale kid that can barely lift a bag of doritos off his table is f-ed up. It's not like he's going to defend his hard drive with a machine gun. On the other hand I would love to see a swat team breaking into the office of some CEO after labor union gets reports of unfair wage and denial of social benefits. That would be fun, they seem too comfortable sometimes.
Yeah, I mean, what he gonna do, run? lmao.
the difference between him and a CEO is that one of them has powerful people in his pockets.
They have guns incase he has a gun to defend himself?
@@Theironminer-ky2pg They have automatic rifles and vests in case he's armed with one, right. That's what i'm trying to tell, they were aware that they were not after some gang leader excon drug lord with no respect for human life, they knew they were after a nerd. But they prefer scare tactics and they show the same treatment to a pirate as if he was an international terrorist. Imagine a kid shouting racial slurs on xbox live and being charged with a hatecrime and sentenced to several years in juvie. That's sick.
@@Ss0oUuLl …weren’t they in their mid 20’s to 30’s?
"The web in the 90s was boring, no social media"
The web when it was just a collection of weird personal websites that could be about anything ruled, social media is one of the reasons it's a society warping, highly censored and policed hellhole
The most millennial quote I ever seen
It was anything but boring
90's web was the best of times
No drama
Period
The internet went crazy when Facebook allowed everyone to be able to make a page. The moment they went from college students to the general population, the world changed... for the worst.
Mood. The best people I've ever encountered, and the majority of my long-standing online friends decades later are people that I met on old community message boards.
18:45 the fact that they treat piracy this hard is fucking disgusting, and a complete waste of tax dollars.
You have to understand the government and the police aren't there for us - they're there for Jeff Bezos, for Elon Musk, for whoever was CEO of Sony Music at the time.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 oh, 100% aware. Imagine finding every loophole you can to not pay taxes (and thus contribute to social services) and still have police there to protect you from the millions you steal from wages.
It's fucking wild.
@@wardrich imagine they same people recognize overpopulation and deal with it by unaliving us in the next few years with climate change and uncontrolled spread of disease.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 who would do all their manual labour for them? They wouldn't last a day without us and they know it.
Side note, outside of the USA there are governments that could be there for us but we prefer to keep electing the same two parties in again and again.
@@wardrich You're not too bright are you? If they kill half the people then only half as much stuff needs to be made and you have half as many people so it all works out the same.
I love that they were considering stopping partly because everyone was using autotune and only the same couple of producers were making every song. So, the way to stop piracy is to make music that is so crap, people won't even go through the effort of copying it for free.
The music industry is already on top of that one lmao
Nathaniel
@@hikaru-senpai3684 why did you randomly say Nathaniel lol
@@nathanielkendrick3088 lol
Garuntee you listen to artists that use auto-tune lol since that sort of technology has come into existence most every producer/engineer uses it.
The actual dark side is going to prison for "cOnSpIrAcY tO comMiT cOpYrIghT infRiNgeMent"
This channel is gonna blow up, just a matter of when. Keep up the great work man, it'll pay off bro.
Thank you for the kind words man!
Just gotta keep pumping out the videos!
@@VinceVintage absolutely man. Just believe in yourself and get some colabs rollin. Barely Sociable would be a great video
yup, once it hit recommended its gonna fly
@@VinceVintage yea no question you'll b a big time RUclipsr in a year or 2 from now, it's too good
@@VinceVintage algorithm brought me here. :)
Hard to pirate music when it's uploaded to RUclips for free by the artist, the only music that's "pirated" is from video games because many don't let you get their soundtracks anywhere
I'll buy soundtracks when I can. At the end of the day though: if I own the game and you don't sell the music; I own the music kiss my ass.
tell me you haven't been around for the Napster days without telling me you haven't been around for the Napster days
You must be born in 2010
@@lp.shakur thank you for pointing that out
@@picklep9812 it does make me feel old 😂 but kids these days will never know the struggle of dial in internet and unavailability, for the better or worst of it
Music Piracy doesn’t crippled the Music Industry, but it prevented any other further monopolistic practices that the Labels do to snitch every penny for both consumer and artist (Disney Vault, artificial scarcity, geo-restrictions, deslisting, exclusives, etc)
Let’s be honest, iTunes, Netflix, Spotify or TikTok owes their existence to the online piracy.
yeah I feel like the music industry got what it deserved when it was charging $23+ for a cd with a few good songs on it. sure writers and artists got a percentage but record labels got the bulk of it
"But the web in 1996 was a little boring. No social media, no e-commerce"
That's the best part!
for real "surfing the web" was a real experience, looking for fan-sites, blogs and, reading live journals, landing into japanese blogs unreadable at the time... it was almost esoteric
I love the dry humour there.
I used internet first time on 1996 actually. It is not possible to get back that sense of novelty and adventure.
@@blakcnagisa01You can still do this now.
10/10 content my guy, happy to be here before this channel explodes.
Thank you! Means alot man,
its gonna be a party when it happens !
it happened! the Subway video is almost at 2 million!
"brought the music industry to its knees" haha good joke
*Music industry today is thriving more than ever*** lol
lol
the music industry deserves to die. some of the worst policies and practices thrive in it. and oh boy, they love to abuse the content ID system on youtube just to pump up their profits by like 1%, they are exceedingly greedy corporations.
41%
@@ChodeMaster ... ironic for someone with the norse rune for life in there name ...
"even as evidence they were worthless". Brilliant end to the video!
Very well made. keep it up man, Im sure you will go far.
Extremely brilliant ending!
It, like most of this video is plagarized from a New York Times article, "The Man Who Broke the Music Business"
Piracy has not and will never "cripple the music industry" or any other industry out there. The insane amount of money these artists make for the little work they do is ridiculous. Its sad that Dell got caught. He did a good thing in his time.
You have NO idea what you are talking about.
Yeah, Doug. U don't even have your facts straight, man.
Really...u don't have any idea.
My facts are quite straight. These millionaires complaining about someone pirating their music to take a couple bucks out of their millions are quite hilarious.
I couldn’t care less about them.
@@dougfromniu Music piracy is a big deal because it especially impacts small and independent music producers while barely affecting the aforementioned millionaires.
@@peppersalt honestly if I were to pirate anything it would be from the millionaires.
Terabytes of Data? in the early 2000's / late ass 90's? was that even possible back then?
The magic of using multiple hard drives
@@NoNameBAM that must have been 10s of hard drives, just doesn't seem economically viable to a bunch of early internet pirates
@@kxdsh You're underestimating data hoarders
@@NoNameBAM can confirm i would probably be the person w that many hard drives lmaoo
@@NoNameBAM people really did horde them like you imagine
I support piracy. I believe if a person cannot financially support the artist, interacting with a copy of the art piece for free, is more support to the artist and the art, than not touching that art because you cannot afford buying it. Those who are able to purchase and support the artist, that's very good, those who cannot, piracy is a valid option.
Commie!
yeah
Piracy doesn't really affect sales, as those who would Pirate something are unlikely to buy it anyway
Especially in countries like mine, Brazil, where the minimum wage is around 200 dollars...
i make games. they still have a form of AP, but it's just a heads up, if you have the money, it would help. even just suggest it to others, idc, i honestly do not care.
DOOOD, NAPSTER! Kids let me tell you a story. I was in college in '97 and I remember everybody had Napster on their computer, and nobody could believe that there would be something illegal on the internet. 🤣 We were all like, of course it's okay to use it. It's not illegal it's right there!
The limewire n ares era was even more crazy that napster days. Me n my bro would download so much games n movies n sell them for dirt cheap. U want pc vice city give me 5 bucks. U want lord of rings give me 10 dollars. Good times
@@hittingdasauce yes sir. The good ol days. Lol
cp vine boom
Of course, Napster was the biggest part of why the University of Illinois started blocking things and cut bandwidth. I felt sorry for the students whose only internet access was through the university. If you're right that most students didn't recognize it as illegal, then that's more evidence of what I've been saying for some years--a lot of college students are not very bright.
It makes sense that one would assume anything easily accessible online was completely legal, especially when during the tech/internet boom of the 90s.
It would be like walking into any given shop in your town! It's here, out in the open and available to the public, so what could be wrong about it?
My man really just said Bee Jork
>hashtag
Tell me you haven't been on irc during the 90s without telling me you weren't on irc in the 90s
"The man who brought the music industry down. One MP3 at a time." This is a joke, right? Because the music industry is worth more than it's ever been thanks to streaming audio.
Idk man making 20$+ a person for album vs fractions of cents a person is a big loss of control
@@thomasburkhardt3426 The key is access. Spotify us easy, because you just download and go. Going to a record store is hard, and even when you get there, that music may be out of stock.
@@thomasburkhardt3426 streaming revenues are collected on per stream basis. Even if it's only say, 0.50 cents per song per stream, eventually if that song hits it'll get even more revenue than CD sales.
@@thomasburkhardt3426 The difference is volume, it's also why FTP games on mobile often have a way to "buy out" ads. Realistically an artist, assuming standard rates, will make less than 2 dollar per album sale. The album sales on "run of the mill" top charting albums is around the 100k, much lower on average and below albums and much higher on really popular albums. That would mean they'd make roughly 200k per album.
Meanwhile with streaming people will repeatedly play the same song and MUCH more people will play it as it's essentially "free" (well payed through ads or the buyout of ads). Every play means roughly 0.2 cent. However, and this is important due to the lack on a lot of middle men a lot more of that cent goes to the artist, instead of getting roughly 15% of the profit they'll get closer to 50%. Meaning they'd have to get 20 million plays to get even to album sales (assuming an album of 10 songs and all get equal play for simplicity sake), that sounds like a lot but realistically isn't hard to get for a top charting song considering it gets more plays for being top charting, much more repeat plays and because it's more accessible spreads quicker (gaining more plays in the process).
Granted all that goes out of the window when you realize that concerts are the real money makers in the music industry and always have been.
@@mosti72 it's not 50 cents, it's like 0,0043 dollars per song
9:00 “Bee-jorke” I’ve heard many different pronunciations of her name but this one takes the cake for the funniest
Smart enough to know when to stop but not smart enough to actually go through with it.
If he would've gotten caught regardless, then whatever, but if that last score was the reason he got caught then i can't feel bad for him.
Crazy huh? if he quit and never pirated ever again he would of never been caught
alot of the info that they used to catch him was when they all talked in that last IM chat about the crew and such
I feel bad...but then its like hey...you did this to yourself man
Idk he got 3 months and can safely say he was part of the best. I’d probably be pretty happy with that after years of doing it
People arguing about "crippling" should realize that these companies and artists would be upset at even a 1 cent loss and this was millions.
They see it as lost profit, when the simple truth is people who pirate wouldn't pay, or WOULD pay if you offered a service better than piracy. Why is game piracy down pretty low on PC these day? Because steam is better than piracy. The most pirated games are the ones you can't get on steam or force another game launcher on your pc, or have denuvo which is known to hurt performance of the game making even paying customers download a pirated version after purchasing.
@@elk3407 now you can add mistranslated games by fuckwads in the industry
Most artists don't get 1 cent to begin with. It all goes to the label's shareholders.
Holy moly, this is produced so well. Sad that shitty content gets millions of views, but this only a thousand.
Record studios are certainly nostalgic of the time they could sell a disk of plastic and aluminum for $17 with a dozen songs and pay pennies for artists. Until Napster ruined everything, now poor Lars Ulbrich can't have a gold-plated shark tank bar in his pool.
Artists that weren’t stupid were making crazy amounts of money in the 2000’s though. The amount of money that was put into breaking songs was crazy also. Million dollar music videos.
Without piracy you had no idea what the album was like outside of singles and often a lot of album tracks ended up as filler.
It wasn't like the radio would play anything other than the singles and would always praise the song/artist/album regardless of the actual quality.
It's also important to remember that in the days before streaming discovery was really poor.
Love your video! For future reference, Björk is pronounced “By-ork ” “By-erk”
idk man i think it's bee-shork
To anyone who prefers examples, it's like "ir" the sound in bird or first (Ideally you'd roll the R a little but I get that's difficult for some people), so kind of an -urr sound
I honestly can't tell whether or not the mispronunciation is intentional; the hold on her picture (slightly longer than the others in the list) almost makes it come off as a joke.
If you're a real fan, you patronize the artist. If you're not a fan, listening to pirated music may make you one, and then you patronize them. Sounds like a win for the artist either way.
most of the time the artist is ok with their music being used, but the record labels are the ones who control the songs, and enforce copyright laws for $$$
They love to say in the early 2000s pirating killed the record industry... None of the so-called experts ever mebtion the absolute shyte music of that era.
THIS!
All in all 3 months in federal prison for stealing several hundred CDs from work over several years is pretty low on the punishment chart for the US justice system. I've seen worse for people stealing beer from a gas station.
It's partly because they were white.
dude your videos are crazy high quality. i know every other comment already said this but this channel is definitely gonna blow up. i'd be really interested to see more videos about the late 90s/early 2000s internet in the future!!
It's amazing to see all the positivity on this guys videos. I 100% agree with you and can't wait to see where this goes.
Appreciate it so much! its such an interesting time frame, the internet was so new and people didnt know what to expect
The next vid is gonna be a dozy!
@@brohen Its gonna be hype!!!!
And then music streaming happened which rendered everything that happened prior a complete waste of time and resources.
I discovered your channel yesterday and finished watching every video, today. I look forward to more! Keep up the good work!
Thank you John much appreciated!
Great video my dude. I'm just here to comment before this channel blows up so I can remember that I had some kind of interaction with you 😁
Thank you Mikael! Much appreciated!
As a ”musician” I wouldn’t really care if my music got pirated, atleast people are listening my music and enjoying it.
You’ve covered some really amazing tech crimes that I’ve never heard of before! The editing and storytelling is top notch ✨
Paul Le Roux invented the first program that encrypted an entire hard drive. Then he went on to sell hundreds of millions of dollars worth of illegal pills over the internet, sold weapons to Iran, bought tonnes of meth from North Korea and so much other crazy stuff. He’d make a great video.
In our youth, we copied each other's vinyl albums onto cassette tape and no one was knocking on our doors for piracy.
The kinds of person who pirates music is of 3 flavours
A kid who has no other way to access it (Highly Common)
Someone who can't afford their music tastes
(Least common)
Someone who can't stand terrible services and the massive inconvenient nature of legal music
(the MOST common)
That's why music streaming is popular, because it is very convenient nowadays and just has quality issues at worst. The less the end user has to do to enjoy their content the more likely they are to buy it.
This is evident if you ask Valve, its usually a service issue than anything else. If your product sucks compared to the free one? Why would they buy it.
I remember back in 1999 my homie was using Napster. It was like a mp3 gold rush. We automatically started selling CD's at our high school. Just by word of mouth it became our side hustle. Then we figured out that selling drug was more lucrative. We didn't know any better. Those were the days.
its funny how i just download everything for free and not thinking whatsoever about piracy being a huge problem
It just seems so wrong how someone can lose their freedom over just sharing something someone’s made because of “copyright”
Great vid tho, been too long since the last one haha, keep up the good work.
I 100% agree with you, I think the only thing that was sketch for him was that he stole the CDs before they were even out
But yeah don’t fuck with the record labels lol
Vince Vintage yeah I gotta agree there, the fact he was essentially betraying his employer, that is sketchy.
But yeah, can’t F’ with these big cooperations and their perspectives of where they might lose a precious penny, it just ain’t worth it.
@@myfellowsonicfans7131 To go to jail and like you said lose your freedom over "violating copyright" is a crazy thought when you think of it
The recording label group is one of the most powerful lobbys in DC...so gotta wonder where they get that power from
@@VinceVintage The ironic thing is that the record labels are the real thieves, along with Spotify. Most artists these days make a pittance on thier music. They have to rely on merch and ticket sales.
@@VinceVintage They were destined for the trash though, right? I guess it comes down to how you feel about dumpster diving lol
When I was a teenager, my family was one of a few in my school to have internet access at home. A friend of mine had bought a blank CD and gave me a list of songs to download for him. I never used to download anything on our home computer because there was not much space on our hard drive. So I brought his CD home and found the songs. So I began the download. It took an hour to get 1 Megabyte of data, and my dad was pissed because he wanted to make a phone call. Yes, the internet was different back then! So I stopped the download and took my friend his CD back without a single song burnt to it. Our 56k modem was a snail compared to what is available these days. I had no idea about the identities of the people who had made music piracy what it was. Informative video this was.
this man walked so we could fly. hats off
I don't know how this amazing channel hasn't exploded yet, this one was so amazing and I've watched it at least ten times and I am still not tired, keep up the amazing work 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Youuuuu have officially earned my eager subscription. Great stuff so far!
Thank you Christian! More is coming!
'Do you ever wonder where your illegally downloaded music comes from?' _in the description_
yeah, youtube
the real criminals are the music industry, who, when their product is available for free, still make billions. Dell, Kali, and all the other warez groups were actually heroes. I'm POSITIVE there's tons of artists out there who dis covered their passion through pirated media, no doubt bc their family can't support it financially. making media accessible to those who don't make a lot of money is a good thing. those who can afford it, will support it. but it's wrong to keep it away from those whose lives are already so hard.
0:10 His name is Stephen Witt, not 'Stephan Writt'. And you don't even cite what article this script is copied from.
It's not an article but a book, look up How Music Got Free by Stephen Witt
The thing with pirating movies and audio was thatthere was a HUGE market for simple, fast, cheap, on demand content yet because of sticks up executive's bottoms nobody was offering it because they hadn't figured out a way to copy-protect a legally aquired copy.
Only when iTunes (which still was horrendously overpriced) came along at least some people recognised the way it was going
I had to put this video on my "watch later" list multiple times now.
For some reason youtube is removing it. Gonna have to watch it now before it gets removed again and i forget about it.
It's just IRC btw, not "the IRC", it's like saying "The Facebook"
I don't listen to music but I didn't pirate a single game after I started working and got a steady income. I also bought most of the games I may or may have not pirated when I was a kid. If it's convenient and reasonably priced people will pay for games and music. If they can't afford ti they won't buy it anyways.
Pirating is so sad in it's current state. It's like 80% non-functional vaporware or straight up malware.
I've loaded my computer with pirated games. Just load them on a VM you'll be fine
Great vid, I never really thought about were all my music came from when using limewire.
Its a trip right? You never think about it
it was a rabbit hole researching this video
Im glad you liked it! Thank you
Always love finding underrated channels with bingeable content before they blow up. Keep up the great work!
the dark side of music piracy seems pretty chill
You can easily pirate music by converting the audio of RUclips videos into MP3 files.
Nice! Here before 1M subs (1,17k right now) I always forget how many subs a channel had when I subscribed so I guess if I leave a comment I can easily find out in the future 😁
Appreciate the love! Hopefully this year we can get there!
I remember these days, and I participated, to an extent. What killed it, in my opinion, was when the practice of promo copies being provided to radio stations and critics ended. Now, most critics end up getting a secured, personal stream for an album for them to review, but even then they normally don't get that stream until the street date, so what's the point? Only if you're seriously connected can you get access to a record before it's released. And physical promo copies? Haven't seen one in 15 years. I remember being able to buy a promo of the forthcoming Alice Cooper album in 2000 (Brutal Planet) 6 weeks before it was released on eBay. Those were the days.
Hollywood insiders still get DVD screeners or streamers in advance, but they are serialized so if they are leaked they can now tell who leaked it so it discourages it.
I think what people don't understand about music piracy is the scale of which it affected the sales.
Yes, physical media still can sell a million copies, but what people don't get is that in the 90s small-time bands were able to sell tens of thousands of records easily, groups like Primus could easily sell hundreds of thousands of copies of a single album, and the biggest bands were selling tens of millions.
I've heard it said that the best way to understand how piracy affected the industry is to look at Puddle Of Mudd. They hit right before piracy became mainstream with three radio hits and sold five million copies. After piracy became mainstream, the biggest artists in the world couldn't hit that number anymore.
The moment piracy became mainstream youtube appeared already and with Spotify, deezers, etc. More people would be introduced to more artist.
This is not to mention the change in music. How much of it was really piracy? How much of it was the changing times? How much of it was the internet?
Piracy doesn't hurt the music industry, but I wish it did
Then they would have a real reason to stop piracy and would spend even more money in trying to fight it a lot more
What even more interesting is how subscription services killed music piracy.
Lmao how is your channel so consistently good? I wasn't even interested in this topic and I was enthralled by this video.
Looking back, it is quite an ironic scene isn't it.
Those supposed bad guy pirates were to one responsible to making musics and media free as what we all know today.
Imagine 2023 and listening to music via a CD player lol
I mean, i feel sorry for the artists, but the music industry's crash was long coming and well deserved as the musicians barely made anything to begin with, the publishers sucking in most of the revenue. I won't even begin on how much more deserved is the loss of revenue is for Hollywood and the software market...
It's sad. If you donate 50 bucks to your favourite indie musician you probably made up for months of lost sales...
Napster!! If the phone rang, you messed up my download..
man I grew up on my parents' library of limewire music. kinda crazy to think about in this context
This feels like it's some 2003 era documentary boomers would show at schools
This came up in my feed, glad I gave it a chance. Very well made and highly informative, great job.
Thank you for watching it! I’m glad you enjoyed it
Don’t you love those random videos the algo sends your way sometimes??
Some media piracy is absolutely a crime that should be enforced. However when it comes to music piracy i think the labels got exactly what they deserved. It was their responsibility to keep up with technology, and their incompetence adapting to a modern market is what lead to failure. Instead of figuring out how to monetize digital products, they actually tried to shut them down so people would keep buying CDs.
I have zero issue paying for music i like and for years that meant buying the album. Even if i only enjoy one or two songs, the choices were buy all of them or none of them. Digital music was better in every way, yet it seems like the record industry was the last to figure it out.
Can't imagine risking prison just to leak a rap album
Went down a rabbit hole of your content today after watching your recent upload. Good stuff.
good video! I bet the audience retention will be pretty good
Thank you man! What was your favorite part?
@@VinceVintage Probly the part where he was able to influence the competition between Kanye and 50cent and that he was able to smuggle discs behind his belt buckle lol.
@@marek419 its probably the closet thing we will ever get to studying if music piracy effects sales
Crazy right?
Man all of your videos are top notch, you just came outta nowhere into my recommended and im glad you did! This is all really enjoyable and at the same informative stuff to watch with lots of nice visuals but could potentially be something I put on while drawing. Overall just great work, congrats on 16k! I know youll be like 10 times bigger in no time 🐇
Don't forget us when you make it big. It's gonna happen sooner than you think bro, keep it up💯🔥
This video is soo good I hope you got big audiences soon:)
Im glad you liked it! What was your favorite part?
@@VinceVintage well everything the style the voice it is like cold fusion but it goes to darker topic also I started looking for music piracy content like this because I decided free Spotify suck and I better off downloading RUclips mp3 to my phone
Thank you! You didn’t hear it from me...but Pirate Bay
I think using pirated files personally isn't and shouldn't be a crime. These artists, producers, etc are taking in insane amount of money. I could never afford to purchase the content outright and would be especially pissed if I paid $20-30 for a DVD and the movie was trash. No refunds.
"Bee shork" LOL
Production studios - "Man we made *40 BILLION* dollars! That's fuckin' amazing"
Also production studios - "Wait a minute? We could have made another *ONE MILLION* ? Get those cyber pirates"
95% of this video is word for word plagiarized from a New Yorker article by Stephen Witt. I hope he claims the Adsense from this video.
Would you mind providing the link to the article?
For those interested, the New Yorker wrote a story on this called "The Man Who Broke the Music Business" - a very good read!
“If I could never own it, nor could I request a refund; then did I technically steal it?”
I'm not sure who said that, but I'll give them a B for effort. They tried 😂
that's a hell of a last album for RNS, one of my personal favorites and was fall out boy's biggest hit to date I believe
Ive been binge watching your channel since i discovered it. Keep it up man, thank you!
Nice
Niceeeeeeeee Thank you man
ohh man i remember the first time I used Napster in like 2000 or so. it would take like 30 mins per song to finish
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Appreciate it!
The dark side of music is the time before Napster...
We didn't use the word "hashtag" back in IRC days. The "#" symbol was called channel
Bee Jork hahah apart from that, great video. You have such an underrated channel, love your videos.
Man, that ending line is killer. Wraps it all up really nicely.
"ran a small experiment that showed leaked albums sells better" followed not long after by "leaks that have been crippling the music industry" tells a lot. Makes me remember the same talk you hear again and again. "There are several types of pirates. The ones that won't give you money if they pirated it won't give you any if you stop them from pirating. The ones that will give you money still will give you money even if they pirated it. You will get money from those who care, pirating or not."
Using your belt buckle is how we got our phones into alternative schools, always works
The industry was already highly overpaid which contributed to people being ok with “stealing” it
What stood for me was how those groups say to support the artist or the studio if we liked the work. Even if we didn't always buy the cd's, we shared the word of the work, from mouth to mouth it helped being promoted.