Can a budget track tyre compete with the best? (Yoko A050 vs Zestino 07RS)
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- Опубликовано: 3 дек 2024
- My first tyre comparison test. Hopefully first of many. Lets see how the budget friendly Zestino 07RS stacks up against the best track tyre there is. The Yokohama A050.
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thank you for going through the effort of creating as much of a controlled environment in testing these tires. Cheers!
I had a pretty interesting experience with the 07RS. The deterioration between (hot weather) track days was a little disappointing. I ran a set of A052 before these, and found them pretty similar to the Zestinos when fresh. But by the second track day (5 heat cycles), A052s were still sticky, whilst the Zestinos had gone all hard, with clear evidence of overheating and a lot of the pace was gone. By the third track (10 or so heat cycles), the Zestinos were greasy and unpredictable. A052s were still pretty good, thought more badly worn.
That’s interesting. What pressure did you run them at? I found they didn’t like getting too hot and would wear quickly but we’re still fast. I aim for 28-30psi hot.
@@trackhackau was running 30 hot.
Recently put a set of AR1 which held up very well on same track and car (fk8 at luddenham).
How many laps did you do on the first track day?
Loved the doubled screen so we see how and where each tire are faster.. would love to see u compare more tires..
That’s the plan. Lots to compare.
@@trackhackau Hey mate! Great video.. have you driven on the ad09 or have an opinion on those at all? cheers
Your videos are great, keep up the good work.
Unless you are competing for money, save your money and buy Zestino.
How about the super popular Nankang AR1? They are well priced
I used AR1 before the Zestino 07RS. The Zestinos are fractionally faster and you don't need to swap them for street.
@@trackhackau The Aus distributor told me the AR-1 are street legal.
@@stevegreystone8568 They are, just not very practical.
Thanks for sharing i’m debating to get the zestino just to give them a try on my coupe quattro
Worth a try for sure.
Unsure how you found the Zestinos in anyway comparable to a properly engineered competition tyre like the A050 in regard to lap times.....unless you are not pushing your car hard enough to find the full grip level of the A050s or have a setup issue? In my experience the Zestino RS are way slower than A052 and RE71RS...both of which are slightly slower than the medium compound A050. The Zestinos didn't like heat and the front left tyre delaminated around QR timeattack sessions on other competitors cars.
Can you compare them with a052? You tried only medium compound? In my country is only medium and don’t know If I can try them, because I’m competing on timeattack, but on long tracks (4200-6000m). Want to be sure, that these medium give me better grip than a052
Thanks for the video mate, just for context of how fast you are what is your driving background?
I have no perspective of this track and cars capability.
I consider myself a decent steerer. I've won back to back State Supersprint titles and a national title. If you watch Mighty Car Mods they often use the same circuit. My car is faster than their Lotus, even when a pro drove it.
@@trackhackau nice I like to hear that
@@trackhackauI'm currently trying to figure out what would be faster between the daily drivable tyres the RS4, 07R and AD09.
I've asked this in the Track Racers Australia group and a lot think the AD09's are superior even though I've shared tests that show the RS4 is quicker than the AD09 in the Tire Rack test and only 0.5 seconds behind the AO52. And the RS4 only 0.6 behind the AO52 in the Tyre Reviews test as well. Also there was a correlation between these two tests with the RT660 being quicker than the AO52.
I know their are variables to consider but I'm trying to find more clarity on this subject.
Hi again mate, have you tested the 07R? If so what is the pace difference and if you went this far with both how was the longevity?
If you can compare the pace to the AO52 that would put into perspective. Or an AD09 i have a fair idea for comparable pace.
I haven’t tested the 07R on track. A052 will be faster as they are not that much slower than A050 over 1 lap. AD09 vs 07RS would be a good test actually.
Hi. Did you test the zestino daily driving. How they behave in rain ?
They are fine. I daily drove on them for 2 years. Went through multiple sets.
Very nice comparison. Did you ever get a chance to try the RE71RS? I think the A050s will still be a little quicker but I wonder how much? The RE71RSs look to be much better value at the moment at around $500 a tyre!
Yes I have RE71RS as my current street tyres but haven't really done a proper back to back test. I think they are great if you want to drive to and from the track or are restricted to a 200tw tyre. But if you have a spare set of wheels I think A050 or Z221 are still the way to go for track tyres.
@@trackhackau I finally bought some A050s to try on Weds night SMSP GP but forecast is looking a bit wet. Just wondering if you know how the A050s go in the wet or if I should stick with my Cup 2s? thanks Don
@@donr868 A050 are actually pretty good in the wet as they come up to temp quick and have large water channels. I’d probably prefer them to the Cup2 but neither are ideal. Just take it easy. Not going to PB in the wet.
Thanks for a great video man, really appreciate it. I’m currently running RS4s on my GR Yaris and am up for tyres so I found this video really helpful. I’ve been wanting to go a little faster but I’m shy with my wallet to go to the A052 (not even the A050). The Zestinos are really well priced but I was unsure of what to expect. Can you tell me how many days and how many road KM you’ve got out of them? My RS4 are 4 heavy days in and 6000km, tread is still good but I feel the times are getting harder to achieve as they cycle out. I haven’t been kind to them, though in my dream world I was hoping for more (lol). How’d you go with these?
Zestinos won’t last as long as RS4s but I believe they keep consistent times for longer. I get 3-4 track days out of a set of fronts if I can’t rotate them. Double that if I can rotate. Road use I don’t know. They die due to track use first for me. Zestinos are faster for sure.
RE71RS are worth a look too. Cheaper than A052 but my expensive than Zestino. I’m yet to try on track but my experience on the street is that they are amazing.
Hey, I heard stories of the zestinos blowing out sidewalls, I'm assuming you ran the supersprint series in 2020 where they were the tire. Were there any similar issues? Have you tried the zestino circuits?
Never had one blow out and I’ve been through 5 or 6 sets at least. I haven’t tried the circuits yet as they aren’t legal for supersprints.
@@trackhackau we are currently building our 40th anniversary gti here in wa. Similar intent for the car with main differences being mca red coilovers and a garret for about 310kw. Your channel has been very helpful.
No worries at all. Reach out if you have any other questions. Look forward to seeing how your build turns out. You doing anything for cooling? In warmer weather (25deg and up) I only get a few laps at full tilt. Will be worse with more power. CSF coolers would be the answer. Or I’m hoping E85 may help just enough. I’d be happy with 4 laps.
@@trackhackau only a pwr intercooler and racingline oil cooler. Waiting to see what water temps get like
Hey mate, awesome video. How do you find the noise levels when your street driving. Not as bad as the r888r.
They are a bit noisy on the rear I find. But not terrible.
Hi there, are you running a 265 square setup, what wheels are you running offset etc, looks nice by the way.
Yes the A050 are 265 squared but not fitted to the wheels in the video. I did a video on the new wheels you can checkout if you like ruclips.net/video/1AZrqYu5wcw/видео.html Short version is they are 18*9+42
What do you think about the fp8000 otshu?
Don’t think they are sold here. Quick search shows the seem to be the same as a discontinued Falken tyre. So old tech.
Nice one mate, I was expecting the gap to be bigger but yeah had it been the GP circuit I think 1.5 -2 sec difference. Thoughts?
Yes I think1.5-2s as well. So hopefully a 43.
Recent test on GP the A050 was 1.5 seconds faster. But if I drove better would have been 2 seconds.
I only just realised that you mentioned it’s the medium. So the A050 Soft could cut down another second perhaps
I don’t think I was getting the full potential out of them either. It’s such a big leap in grip you need to unteach yourself what you know your car can do. But yes softs will be faster again.
@@trackhackau that’s great! I saw two peoplr have tested the Zestino 07S (60TW) at wakefield and both ran 1.0 second faster. So it almost looks like A050 Medium = Zestino 07S. 👀. Now just need to figure out where the A052 and Re71RS sit. ASM did back to back tests of the A050 Soft and A052 and was 0.9 faster around tsukuba, but hard to see where that sits among the others. Awesome content again btw.
@@Fonzizzz Yeah I'd like to try a set of those actually. Unfortunately they won't be legal in Motorsports Australia events due to the tread pattern. I recently went 1.5 seconds faster on A050 than 07RS but should be closer to 2 seconds. I think 07S will be somewhere in-between. 0.9 around Tsukuba is actually a lot of time. Thought it would be less. But then again I don't have a lot of reference points for the softs. A test against medium would have been good. I have RE71RS right now so I really want to do a back to back against the A050. Will probably have to wait until next year now as weather is either wet or too hot.
How are they on the road?
Really good actually. I'm running a set currently on the front.
Hello I have a stage 2+ 335i n54 pushing around 420whp and I’m looking for a grippy tire for the street. I don’t have much money to work with, is the Zestino Gredge 07RS a good tire for dig grip and grip around the bends? I can get 2 07RS tires for $350 and anything else is $300 a tire.
Really can't go wrong with the 07RS. Great bang for buck. Really grippy.
@@trackhackau true that. I’m going to try the Falken Azenis RT-615K this time but I’m going to try the 07RS after
Is that a private garage? If not are you worried about your car stuff getting stolen?
It’s an underground apartment garage. Not many residents and we all know each other.
Great work on the video, really nice to see a genuine comparative test, same car, same day, same driver - bonus points being Aussie. The side by side footage and corner speed difference made clear was a nice touch too. Re, time difference, you could always express it as a percentage (1.3%) and mention that it’s equivalent to 2 seconds on a 2.5 minute lap. I’d love to see the A050 vs the A052 as well as the Hankook RS4 or the new RE71rs. Those last three would make a great test vs the Zestino.
Thank you Ben really appreciate the kind words. Great idea expressing the lap difference as a percentage. I have a set of RE71RS so they need to be next. Im really keen to see the difference to the Zestino's
Hi mate, could u pls do a 07RS vs VITOUR V01R?
I haven’t heard of those. I’ll look into it.
@@trackhackau just like the 07rs,VITOUR is from china as well, they also operate in Australia. The VItour tw140 (v01r) is bester seller semislick in china.
Can i put it on my daily car? Thank you
Yes for sure. I use them as daily tyres.
The Zestinos were old or new as Yokohama?🤔
They were all used. Yokos in terms of build date we’re older. But more tread. Zestinos has seen a few days on track already. I’m my experience though the Zestinos are not really faster when green. I’ve actually found them faster when used.
We never got the A050 here in the states.
Most likely because Yok never bothered to seek a DOT approval for them, and they did not want to market them as a pure race tire when both they, and their competition, offer much better options in that category.
We also never got the AD08RS, and given all of the lambasting reviews/opinions abjectly PANNING that particular donut, we are much better off for that! 😉
Hi, have you tried the 240tw version?
I have. Ran them for a while as street tyres. They are pretty decent too. Not track tyres though.
soy principiante he utilizado 2 veces en circuito y 1500 km en carretera los R 240tw. Nunca había utilizado semi slick. Medida 245/40 R18 coche jaguar Xf ds statge 1 315cv 670nw preparación basica de frenos discos y pastillas, estabilizadoras,suspensión coilover de una vía deportiva no Track y powerflex. Conseguí mejorar 5,5 segundos respecto a unos UHP+ el mismo circuito diferente día con los de carretera hacia unos 19 a 21 grados centígrados con los zestino 26-28 el tiempo con zestino 1,58,30. La diferencia en curvas, precisión, frenadas era importante. Con estos podías concentrarte mucho más en la pista divertirte y darle gas. Desgaste en dos tracks unos 280 km en circuito menor que los de carretera usados anteriormente Pzero y Potenza Sport.
En carretera sorprendentemente silencioso apenas un poco más que los de carretera. El consumo en autopista también muy bueno, poco peor que unos Goodyear assymetric 5 y Pirelli Pzero Z4 pero mejor que unos bridgestone potenza sport.
Para mí muy satisfactorio y me cuestan menos que los de carretera.
Muchas gracias a Track Hack por su vídeo me ayudó a decidirme
How about r888r
Old tech. I wouldn’t bother. No many better options these days. They are good as an endurance tyre. Not for time attack. I bet the Zestinos are faster.
Can you do 1 with Potenza RS ? I want a set but they are not in CANADA. I did a video on zestino.. check it out
Will be doing an RE71RS video for sure. We are in lockdown atm though so no idea when I can get back out on track.
send the link to your vid for the zestino
@@salimsopari search my channel or google zestino tires
I think the A52 are disscontinued..
Definitely not. They didn’t come out that long ago.
Yeah the a052 is the top yoko for here in the UK, hasn't heard of the a050 until now, just checked ebay and we can't get with them with an £850 delivery cost
@@s4ms0n1t3 A050 is only available from motorsport tyre retailers, not general tyre retailers.