Signalling - Why You Do The Things You Do - Rob Henderson | Modern Wisdom Podcast 292
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Rob Henderson is a PhD candidate at the University of Cambridge and a US Air Force Veteran.
Signalling is something everyone is doing all of the time. We are constantly leaking information about ourselves and our motives, but most of that information is involuntary.
Expect to learn why signalling and status are intrinsically linked, how a standing next to a Lexus can increase a man's attractiveness, why putting 20 expensive pens on your desk is a smart idea, why young men play loud music out of their car and much more...
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Those things 🤯 my mind with their complexity and variations.
This was great but I actually got a headache from the audio quality and had to quit
The books/bookshelves in people's backgrounds during these zoom calls is definitely some type of signalling. 😂
Rob Henderson has reason to have copious amounts of books. The more you have, the more you gotta find random places to shove them. In his case, I don't think it's signalling.
Hahhahaa
Usually teachers offices and studies look like that my G,lol.
I do it lol 😆
It signals that you might be intelligent.
When I was a PhD student my prof asked everyone to call him by his first name (it felt weird to call him Dr so and so). My committee asked me to 'write like a human' rather than trying to impress people with linguistic gymnastics. 'Your readers speak English and they understand you if you use simple terms'. It was also one of the top 3 or 4 schools worldwide in my field.
A Brilliant Brilliant discourse!
Thank you Steve and Rob!
Watching this almost a year latter and still totally relevant and entertaining 👍💯
I love the evo-psyche ep's you do the most. Has there ever been research done on the signalling, motives & posturing of those who claim an asexual, aromantic identity? It would be even more interesting if narrowed down to asexual, aromantic, altruistic minimalists who don't pursue money for status either...
Great episode, really interesting and thought provoking. Can't wait for next one with Rob Henderson. Hope he becomes on ongoing guest like the Propane guys . You can really tell you are mates and makes the episode extra enjoyable.
I like how all the podcasts that know what's up With learning windows go approximately 90 minutes
I'm gonna level with you Sam, I don't know what you're referring to here. But I'm interested to learn more
@@ChrisWillx Ultradian rhythms
It’s important you all know I’m important so I won’t bother with signalling. Have we got that straight now? Good. 😁
Robs one cool fkng guy..dats for sure. good level headedness
1:15:48 I think it's more about honesty and body language vs. reputation both online and IRL than introvert and extrovert.
I’d love to hear evo psych analysis of religion (especially the Abrahamic type, since that’s the kind I’m affected by still)… not only how it’s used for people of wealth and power but how it’s used for abusive power in homes and how it remains in the individual. I was raised in severe religion that was combined with spiritual abuse, sexism and physical abuse (so that encompasses emotional and mental too), and even once escaping religion, I still FEEL the affects in my body and mind. How I explained it was, even though now I have a new moral compass (I still believe in Creator just not many of the terrible ideas in Christianity) I was still being influenced by the old/wrong moral compass. Then I read an article the bared this out~ it said that even after people leave religion, they still FEEL the false guilt… they are still negatively influenced by it because they still feel the physiological affects in their bodies and so it affects their behavior. I’m wanting to find ways to escape this because I was taught that to have any goal besides serving men (and many other idiotic things) is a sin and so I feel stupid, strong guilt to this day. (Obviously I try hard to push through it and have in lots of ways but am still harmed by it.) Also, Id like to hear about how if women have extra emotions, how they may be more influenced by it. It’s so odd that a “God” that degrades women are more worshipped by women. I don’t think men would’ve ever gone to this religion except with the sexism. It’s the carrot of control over women for men I feel and for women it’s the FEAR of God-combined with worship. And then that sets up women to love men they are fearful of too. Thank you ☀️I’m loving your show!!! I think evo psych can be used to heal humanity and make relationships between men and women better! I do hope you can have John Grey on!
That Bali image had me in stitches
Melanie here from Kelowna, B.C., thanks for more great content - always interesting and inspiring - Cheers!
I always thought it was spelled Cologna
@@sexhaver420 Good One., Where are you from?
@@melanieeccles9602 7722 Reseda Boulevard, Apartment 102
@@sexhaver420 What country?
I would love for Dr. John Gray here. Too many so called red pilled guys have a harsh delivery. Dr. Gray explains it clearly and without offending anyone and everyone leaves enlightened. He wrote the book Women are From Mars, Men are From Venus.
Theory: It's easier to get a good looking girlfriend if you already have a good looking girlfriend. Why? Because women are competitive too and, like men, they seek status through relationships. For example, women are attracted to David Beckham partly because he's attractive, but mostly because they want to be Victoria Beckham...
I think it's also because it's social proof that the man is of a certain standing in society. If he is single is there a reason for that?
How well put
to those who have everything more will be given
It's called pre-approval...
Could it be possible to punch up on attractiveness if neither of them were on social media 🤔
Being able to recall physical pain is age relative. Break a bone aged fifty and the pain remains two years after its healed.
You should read "On Killing": it discusses posturing and other pre-fight signaling.
Who by Chase?
@@ChrisWillx Dave Grossman, West Point professor with the US Army. It's a super interesting read about the historical changes the US military has made to decrease shirking and increase kill rates amongst infantryman. It starts with the premise that humans are loathe to fight and kill, so they posture and shirk as much as they can to avoid a fight. Don't let me ruin it...give it a read. And thanks for the reply.
Chris is so 🔥🔥🔥
This dude is awesome
@32:29 there is evidence of people caring for others with broken bones as far back as 15 000 years ago.
I've also seen earlier evidence cited as far back as 130 000 years ago (in Croatia) but I haven't read it in enough detail to be confident about it.
I’m glad that you asked the Asian thing question that’s generally how they are everything is about status with them.
Do you know what you’re signalling with your statement and grammar?
@@delmarchipperson2049 unless you’re Asian or married to an Asian you wouldn’t know! everything is about status with Asians always!
Asia is 30% of earths land mass, with some of the largest populated areas on earth and you think they’re all the same.
I’m a white man with Western European family roots and I can execute modern urban dance choreography with relative ease, so stereotypes are clearly false.
@@delmarchipperson2049 I would love nothing more than to be wrong about my statement.
@@delmarchipperson2049 Look at the white dude trying to play white savior for the Asians. Why do you assume only caring about status is a bad thing and needs to be rebuked? Do you think Asian culture is inherently inferior because it is more materialistic in some respects than your objectively superior Western ethos?
9:26 Zahavian signalling
31:26 the reason we remember the social pain is because we are human and that’s what makes us different from an animal ..and those memories can never be erased
But if you are injured or wounded physically you will also develop a fear towards the situation that caused the injury .. ex if you fall off a horse or see someone injured traumatically from falling you might develop a fear of riding
37:07 dominance politics is in fashion which may be disguised as prestige but there are groups consistently pushing their ideas on other groups and these groups raise their voices and their causes up and their success may not be based on true talent skill or experience
Great discussion. I enjoy the topic. At 1:50, You are saying that we don't do things to impress friends or attract a partner, or make us look good to others. Then the very next sentence you said "Often it's like this car makes me feel good and that's why I want to buy this car. We don't do things just because it feels good, it has to have some social payoff". -- Isn't this a contradiction? I'm having a hard time understanding what is being said here.
The way I understood what he said is that we are often in denial of our own motivations, and it’s easier to say “I’m doing this bc it makes me feel good, not because I care what other people think.” When the reality is that we present ourselves in a certain way to control how people view us, and when people view us the way we want to be viewed, that makes us feel good.
It's not a contradiction. He's saying it feels good because it has social payoff. Things like that (except calming primal urges like eating or sex) don't feel good by themselves.
can someone by this student a new microphone
This makes me wonder if the reason young children will psychologically bully eachother is because (from a primal standpoint) they are simply engaging in the social version of rough play, but without respect for the concept that though the reaction is not as immediate, emotional pain can and does have a longer lasting effect versus that of physical pain. Of course this kind of rough play being almost an experiment to determine hierarchy, kids will often go after a test subject who is found to be weaker than them ie someone who is innately more naive, gullible, or inarticulate. Most certainly doesn't excuse the behavior or erase the trauma one can garner from being on the receiving end, but might shed light on or even bring closure to those wondering "why?"
Maybe we have a built in way of establishing pecking order, bullying, physically or verbally helps establish types of dominance hierarchies and alliances, you don't want to be the group stuck with the weakling, or the one with an very volatile member ?
My status signals involve counselling trauma and couples. 😐
Have rollo tomassi on
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I wonder how many Evolutionary psychologist are Aspie polymaths like me. Probably quite a few. 🤔
I see people living in worse areas than me yet have nicer cars. I have a mercedes yet I see more of them when I go to the poorer areas in my town than when I go through the standard nicer areas. Nice house Vs Nice car? The car shows off more?
Used to work with a guy who had an A8 and he lived in a cheap 2 bedroom apartment.
I used to work in a Youth Shelter. Those young men always had to have bling, way more than the working and settled youth I knew from elsewhere.
For money. I do the things I do for money.
Amusing to think tall poppy syndrome has its roots in hunter gatherer culture
Why am I the guy who questions why he's buying "that car" for example? I actually do sometimes ask myself those questions. How am I going to be perceived? Are people going to like me more? Maybe I've become psychopathic or sociopathic cause I never used to do those things when I was in highschool. Maybe a bit but I would buy clothes that I thought were cool...
So at the core, women value liquid assets and men value physical assets. Thanks 🙏☯️
So riding a BMX at the age of 50+ is a Mid-life crisis?
No. I'm 75 and ... sail. scuba. bike. hike and...
I used to enjoy Coffeezilla but watching his interview with that kid Caleb, he came off looking really poorly. Not because the kid was good, but because it showed a really bad and petty side of Coffeezilla.
Air force...no wonder
I find his explanation of peacocks and peahens to be both naive and misleading. It assumes several things which I believe have not been substantiated in any way, anywhere.
The idea that the peacock is aware he is impressing females assumes not only self-consciousness, but assumes that he is also aware of the consciousness of the peahens. And the idea that either the peacock or peahen has the knowledge that copulation can/will result in offspring is to me absurd. (As far as I can tell, there are a growing number of humans that don't fully understand this concept.)
It would be a better description to say that the peacock with the bigger, brighter display is ACTUALLY healthier and more fit for survival and therefore is more likely to breed successfully more often than inferior peacocks, resulting in more successful offspring. These offspring are then likely to share either the father's physical characteristics or the mother's sexual behaviors. Having female offspring that share a common behavior to mate with bigger/brighter tails further reinforces continuing reproductive success of those bigger/brighter tails.
It’s not self conscious knowledge but innate or more like instinct just like what birds of paradise do. But the peacock thing, I don’t like it’s a common example but some studies show that an impressive tail signifies good immune system etc we don’t know the complete answer. A better term to use would be zahavian signalling.
Its firmware
Negativity is socially cohesive because fear is the primary motivation? People feel threatened by what they believe Dave Rubin represents and they find reassurance/security in anti-Rubin tribalism.
He is half Asian. He probably knows more about hypergamy than most people.
I get sick at this wording of destributing, marked, etc. on relationships.
First. Get in.
grow up
It’s called attention seeking and it is a manifestation of narcissism.
Much a'do...about nothing.
This is not anything new dude....
Seriously, now that podcasts exist everyone thinks they have something useful to say.
How ignorant of you to assume that everyone has been exposed to the same information that you have. Now that podcasts exist, people are exposed to more information and the potential to share information and educate people all over the world has increased subtstantially.
The only usefulness of your comment is to be an example of haughty negativity.
@@bazx6466 cool story brah.
tbf Brendan Schaub is remarkably hateable
The point about male attractiveness based on luxury cars is precisely why women should not be allowed to vote.
Easy now
@@Sisterlisk It's true all though, the same cognitive skills as probably 12 year old males. Maybe 15 year Olds.
How do these two things remotely line up? Someone’s mating preferences have nothing to do with political persuasions.
@@kenyanicholas6809 Thank you for proving the point.
@@AustinPowerz-bn5ry
What’s the name of this fallacy, where any information is incorporated into the initial premise without any actual explanation?