A lot of people just use a little circle for 口 when writing in hurry. Writing faster is motivation for simplifying Chinese, like connecting strokes 馬vs 马. But connecting strokes lost meaning of the 4 dot legs. I am sure your mom's heart is still warm with that Mother's day card.
I didn't know that some natives have their own simplified version of certain characters. I assumed there was a way for them to take notes faster, but wasn't sure what it was. I think it's similar to the way many people using the Latin alphabet have their own abbreviations, especially after a few years at university. Thank you for the video!
Also I just want to add, generally the most official way to do these simplifications is 行书, as long as you learn it you will be able to write pretty fast and it's legible generally. 草书 is quite interesting though as most people cannot read it but technically its still official.
This might be too big of a request but I would love a "write along with you" video. I am learning Japanese and while a lot people say don't bother learning how to write, I have a lot of fun writing them as a hobby. However, my kanji look like yours when you were a kid. Good to know there is nothing wrong with that, because it is the first step (and an important one). Anyway, thanks for this video, it already helped me a lot !
Oh! I happen to be learning Japanese too, and am Cantonese, learning to write. Just a note that Chinese write from left to right and while with Japanese it's written from top to bottom. So she'll have to choose characters that are written the same in both languages. Best to use a stroke order for Japanese when learning Japanese, and likewise for learning Chinese. But be careful of getting mixed up! I know how to write certain words already from my childhood in Cantonese but after learning kanji for month I am sad to say I mix up the characters already 😢
A big time saver for me was joining the double, triple and quadruple dashes into an appropriate squiggle. Like the ’` in 你, the ‘`` in 給, and the '``` in 點
This is really encouraging. I have only been learning Chinese for a few months, but as someone who is left handed, I have really struggled with practicing writing characters for an extended period of time. Stroke direction has been a struggle, because whereas a right handed person might be pulling the pen towards them for most of the strokes, I am pushing it, which is much more tiring. I've been reversing stroke directions when I find it more ergonomic. It's so validating that I'm not completely screwing myself by doing this, since I have been operating under the assumption that I may be undermining some essential part of the learning by doing it this way. Thank you for this video.
Whoa, I didn’t know people simplify characters to write faster! And yes, another writing video would be interesting! I’ve always found handwritten Chinese intimidating to read, especially if it’s really cursive. Your exam handwriting is actually very legible! But I can’t read your teachers’ handwritings😭From my non-native perspective it almost looks like a different language😭lol
Was there ever a time you had to write fast but it felt like it just took forever? Feel free to share your experience in the comments! Also, if you have some tips that help you write faster, please share them with us! - Btw, let me know if you'd be interested in learning about the basics of writing Chinese characters! :)
The only person who understands my grass script is myself and the Weixin/pleco/iPhone text algorithms. I never bothered to see if a human other then my wife could read it
This videos has been very helpful. Even though I'm learning japanese and won't be needing to write characters most of the time, these "rules" will help with reading a lot
I'm learning the simplified version. What I use to write faster is just the second one you mentioned, which is to reduce strokes haha. Not like I saw a tutorial or something, I think you just naturally do it when you when you are in a position where you need to write a lot in a small amount of time, and you are already very familiar with the character you are writing. We have a lot of dictation in class, so somehow my brain started to write like that so that I'm not left behind. I was amused to see that some of the ways I write are similar to yours, but not all of them of course haha. I think I'm not at that level yet. I think that more than everything, as you mentioned at some point, practice is the real clue. I write pretty fast the characters I use a lot, but I lose a lot of time writing characters that I just learned or that I seldom use since I need to stop and remember how to write them. Even if you simplify them or reduce the number of strokes, if you are not very familiar with the character yet, it's going to take you some time to write it.
Thank you so much Grace ! as a Chinese self-learner I seldom watch Chinese hand-writing characters , so I always wonder how to write Chinese characters faster as natives would do. Your video helps a lot !
the chinese handwriting is absolutely amazing! it´s so much more creative in comparison with what you can do with roman letters ( in my humble opinion ) so please : let´s see more of this content :D :D :D
Thanks for sharing this! I remember making a comment about wanted to see how Chinese people write fast back when you asked people a few years back. It's cool to finally see it become a reality!
As a Japanese person, there are lots of interesting things I've noticed in this video. For one thing, the stroke order of the Chinese character is somewhat different even when it's exactly the same character. Additionaly, the way to cut corners is new to me. We rarely take such a dinamic shortcut in writing a character (新体字), perhaps because our Chinese character is much easier to write in general and few complicated character, and don't need to shorten the time in writing. Thank you for your amazing video!
This is very interesting! From my experience, we bearly ever do this with the Latin alphabet. But for the more complex Chinese characters it really makes sense to simplify them for writing.
Well practice makes perfect esp if u’ve been doing it since u’re a kid 😄 I’ve been using Skritter for few months now and it has really helped me to practice writing Hanzi!
Now we're at it, could you pls make a video on reading cursive characters? I've been learning Mandarin for 5 yrs now, but sometimes it's still challenging to guess the cursive characters immediately😂
This has been really helpful - I’ve seen other lefties in the comments but it was quite a struggle at first for me to get my characters to look “normal” because we lefties are usually doing the opposite movement with the pen (ie. pushing rather than pulling). I especially like how you write 好 quickly (the way I write the 女 radical has always been pretty wonky) and will definitely be incorporating this into my own handwriting!
Great video, thank you! I live in Japan (another country that uses Chinese letters), and to be honest the need to write by hand is almost zero. Everything can be written on computers or smartphones. Here are the tricks I used to write fast, back in the analogue era. 1. Write in alphabet the pronunciation, instead of the Chinese letter 2. Write the meaning in English, instead of the Chinese letter 3. Use another letter with similar pronunciation, but less strokes. 4. Write half the letter (usually the radical) and, if needed the pronunciation. So my notes will be a mix of Chinese letters, English words, pronunciations in alphabets, and unique, crippled and hybridic letters.
I definitely don't write quickly - but that's because I mainly type. I've gotten really great at using pinyin to bring up characters on my Chinese keyboard and as long as I know how to read, I'm going to call that good enough (for now). One day, however, I hope to study calligraphy and that will be a COMPLETELY different level of learning! A great video, as always, Grace. Thanks so much!
Oh! I would like to learn how to use the pinyin keyboard!! I installed but don't know enough of the mandarin pronunciation to type the English pinyin and have it autofill!
@@kerrin6633 It's a lifesaver and I highly recommend you learn correct pinyin as soon as possible because it also helps with memorizing characters much faster. I don't see a character and think "this means table" first I think of the pronunciation first. It also makes me way less scared to try sounding out words (if you know the pinyin, you know the pronunciation rules and therefore a lot of fear is lowered). Hope that helps and good luck with your studies!
Those simplified versions of Chinese characters are commonly used in written languages in Taiwan, especially by teachers. Some are identical to simplified Chinese, some are identical to Japanese Kanji, and some are just complete chaos.
I think the basics of writing Hanzi would be very helpful, especially for beginners! Something I saw my friend do, that I’ve adopted, is how she writes the 口 radical. First, the down stroke. Then, over and down, but this second down is diagonal so it almost makes a triangle. Then, without picking up the pen, write that last bottom stroke. The end result looks like an upside-down triangle with a line coming out of the bottom part. I also sometimes turn dots into squiggles. For example, the fire radical 灬 will turn into a squiggle with about four bumps in it. Since my Chinese name has a character with this part, I often do it when signing my name!
Excellent video, this always quenched my thirst to know this. it's amazing what the natural human hand simplifies (or elaborates) written compared to the "standard artistic forms" of the script.
I actually have a hard time reading some of the written script from natural hand as characters take on short hand shape compared to the print shape forms, but that's natural with any hand written system I think.
Another helpful video! THX Grace! viewer from Taiwan❤ Talking about that simplified 數, when I first saw this word from my math teacher, I thought it was the standard simplified Chinese. But after I learned the Japanese kanji of 數(most kanjis are same with standard simplified Chinese characters), I found that simplified one in this video is the Taiwanese version of 數, and only Taiwanese people write this way lol.
Wow, this type of video is so rare. I'm really interested even though I learned to write Chinese since young, from Malaysia. Your handwriting looks pretty neat, even when connected, they don't feel connected, mine is a lot messier. I now generally write in traditional but I have a habit of using Japanese simplified characters rather than the Mainland simplified, such as の instead of 的, 亜 instead of 亞, 児 instead of 兒, lol 😅 I found that people still understand it, even the の, granted most of my handwritten characters aren't that far off. Keep making this type of videos, please, I'm really interested, especially the traditional characters, and I like that you're very detailed, shows your dedication. Love them.
Whilst の looks passably like cursive 的 it may interest you to know that the hiragana actually comes from the cursive 乃 Indeed actually all of the shinjitai characters youve shown are common variants that are widely used - if I'm writing traditional then I tend to cross througj the 亞 as well. There's not many that are very shinjitai only, some I can thin of are using four dots for repeats: 渋軣 etc, or using 尺 for 睪 in 駅、訳etc (it works in Japanese but not in chinese)
Very cool! I’ve been laboriously learning traditional characters using Remembering The Traditional Hanzi by Heisig and Richardson, along with Pleco. I’m up to 1800 characters that I know pretty well but at the same time using graded readers to get more familiar with the characters in actual use. I really enjoy seeing how you write characters fast. My Taiwanese wife does that fast writing Aldi, which leaves me in awe. I’m still writing like I’m doing calligraphy instead of communicating. I would be interested if you do something with writing characters.
I had bad writing habits in my own language, since I learnt to write too early and not even grasping my pencil adequately. I wrote too slowly, messy and ugly characters... As I learnt Chinese and became aware of stroke order and other elements in my calligraphy I slowly re-learnt the way I wrote in every language!! I write in a way which 'optimizes' up&down and back&forth movements, so it's faster to write but also maintains the integrity of each character. After being succesful in this, I got greedy and relearnt again to make my writing prettier, hahahah. Chinese has changed my calligraphy a lot!
AH, I remembered. What made my calligraphy faster + prettier + clearer was writing letters. They had to be super clear for even non-natives to read, but I also wanted to give a good impression (and didn't have time to write so slowly). This pressure acelerated it a lot.
I think to write faster in traditional script, some words can follow the style used in certain font codes (somewhat like the words in the official character directory by an PRC education agency, meant to regulate digital/printing display of simplified and traditional texts). As someone based outside of the greater China region, using local English as OS language for personal devices, when I come across traditional Chinese text in most apps (like here, comments section in RUclips app), some words/word-parts would be shown in a “semi-simplified” manner rather than the format made standard in Taiwan (and passed on to HK/Macau). Even when I switch my keyboard output, it’s the same too
Just a heads up that the stroke order for characters on Pleco is only free for a few of them, if you want the stroke order for all characters, you have to pay extra 😭
Yes its helpful.. 😁 recently i was too tensed regarding my writing because when i practice on a square box notebook my writing is like so beautiful but then when i write on the ruling page , the characters are not in the same order like some are big some small, basically it doesn't seem appealing, i have been worrying that how could i improve it, watching your video , i understood one thing that everyone has their own style of writing, mine is different too.. just need to practice without worries and I'll improve it however i want 🥰😸 多谢!
Super interesting video! I wonder how left-handed adults write. Since stroke orders are optimized for writing with your right hand, I wonder how left-handed writers optimize their speed, and do cursive. Maybe change some left-to-right strokes to right-to-left?
Thanks for video. I have been writing since 2009 and learned from James Heisig’s excellent text Remembering Hanzi and have natural muscle memory for any character. I think after you master a few hundred, the rest (no matter how many )are easy to write. My wife is from Jingzhou, Hubei so I learned the grass script from her which came very naturally. 写汉字很好玩儿❤。 Pleco is part of my daily toolkit and scritter can be amusing to use for awhile until the muscle memory is worked out but I no longer need it. 我的最好汉字是龜🐢. That’s a fun one to write!
Thank goodness for text messaging in iPhone and Weixin. The only way I write to Chinese family is in Weixin. I scribble grass script for characters into pleco or weixin or iPhone for texting when I forget the pinyin or learn a new character But if I couldn’t scribble correctly and efficiently Pleco and Weixin would have a tough time knowing what heck I’m doing. 加油！ I’ll be in 荆州 in 2 weeks visiting family and it’s always fun to turn the Chinese writing into high gear when I’m there.
Finally one of my biggest question in learning chinese is answered. It's kinda crazy to me that there is no standardized cursive style writing. Also, I want to connect many lines but still want the character to be readable to anyone. Is it even possible?
@@NO1xANIMExFAN that's interesting, I'll definitely gonna try it, but I always think some characters abbreviation doesn't follow stroke order. For example the character 安, I usually see the dot (dian) is connected to 女 character. But idk, maybe for the majority of characters, we still need to follow the stroke order.
The first letter from a Chinese friend really frustrated me, i could hardly deciffer the characters. Foreigners often only deal with printed characters, and though we might develop some writing habits, there's not much hand-written exchange. My grandparents occasionally used Süterlin, one gets used to it after some time, but i reckon it is as strange to those never been exposed to it.
I learned chinese before but not traditionnal mandarin, i have a kids writing haha or more your friend's writing, i like your friend writing i can read very well what she wrote. I'm french, even in french little or when i was a teenager i wrote better than now, my writing was bigger, now smaller like i don't want to write lol but it's okay, doctors writing are worse than me or you, even in my language i don't understand what they wrote lol
I learnt a "ditto" for repetitive words, eg 謝謝 would be 謝 followed by a symbol that looks like an angular 3. I don't use it though, I write like a child 😂 〻 (iteration symbol found it on Wikipedia)
Your accent in English is amazing and I am not a native speaker, but if you are looking to improve it even further, allow me to notice a common occurrence in your pronounciation, and it's that often you're missing final plosive sounds, i.e. for "stroke order", it sounds more like "stro-order", while one would expect "stroKHorder" making sure it's plosive and aspirated. Or for "I wrote down" it sounds like "I wro-down", missing the T sound, that while it eases into the following consonant, it doesn't completely disappear. I hope you don't mind this comment.
i'm a super slow writer because my hand writing is horrible but i have symptoms of ocd so I delete and write again for like 50 times RIP i actually prefer writing chinese characters because there's not so much variety? what you can do with your handwriting compared to other scripts i guess ^^
The better is to write fast with beautiful writing that makes others understand haha, your friend has beautiful writing + i can understand more haha sorry
In Taiwan there is the phonetic Bopomofo input, in Mainland China the phonetic Pinyin input. Type the pronunciation and a list of Chinese letters to choose appears.
I'm against simplified characters as a standard but I'm always interested in nonstandard abbreviated forms like 數 & 寫. Nonstandard characters could be a subject for one of your videos or more.
Oh! It seems that in Traditional characters, that part has two strokes, while in Simplified characters, it has just one stroke. Sorry for the confusion!
@@GraceMandarinChineseI've never seen a simp-trad distinction. Both hanping dictionary and my stroke order app give the same character, which has one stroke. I'd love to see a source which disagrees with mine.
@@rawcopper604 Sure! Here's a website where you can search the standard stroke order for traditional characters. It's sourced from the Ministry of Education in Taiwan: stroke-order.learningweb.moe.edu.tw/characters.do?lang=zh_TW
Handwriting is an important first impression and reflects your personality. For example, a handwritten love note like "我很喜歡你" will be less effective if you write it in a sloppy way. I am sure you received a lot of these!
A lot of people just use a little circle for 口 when writing in hurry. Writing faster is motivation for simplifying Chinese, like connecting strokes 馬vs 马. But connecting strokes lost meaning of the 4 dot legs. I am sure your mom's heart is still warm with that Mother's day card.
Haha thank you! 🥰
At this rate, our characters are going back in time 😂
So would 回 just be 2 concentric circles?
I didn't know that some natives have their own simplified version of certain characters. I assumed there was a way for them to take notes faster, but wasn't sure what it was. I think it's similar to the way many people using the Latin alphabet have their own abbreviations, especially after a few years at university. Thank you for the video!
Even us wanna be Chinese writers do it!
走近路很好❤
Also I just want to add, generally the most official way to do these simplifications is 行书, as long as you learn it you will be able to write pretty fast and it's legible generally. 草书 is quite interesting though as most people cannot read it but technically its still official.
This might be too big of a request but I would love a "write along with you" video. I am learning Japanese and while a lot people say don't bother learning how to write, I have a lot of fun writing them as a hobby. However, my kanji look like yours when you were a kid. Good to know there is nothing wrong with that, because it is the first step (and an important one). Anyway, thanks for this video, it already helped me a lot !
Oh! I happen to be learning Japanese too, and am Cantonese, learning to write. Just a note that Chinese write from left to right and while with Japanese it's written from top to bottom. So she'll have to choose characters that are written the same in both languages. Best to use a stroke order for Japanese when learning Japanese, and likewise for learning Chinese. But be careful of getting mixed up! I know how to write certain words already from my childhood in Cantonese but after learning kanji for month I am sad to say I mix up the characters already 😢
A big time saver for me was joining the double, triple and quadruple dashes into an appropriate squiggle. Like the ’` in 你, the ‘`` in 給, and the '``` in 點
That mother's day card. 太可爱了!
This is really encouraging. I have only been learning Chinese for a few months, but as someone who is left handed, I have really struggled with practicing writing characters for an extended period of time. Stroke direction has been a struggle, because whereas a right handed person might be pulling the pen towards them for most of the strokes, I am pushing it, which is much more tiring. I've been reversing stroke directions when I find it more ergonomic. It's so validating that I'm not completely screwing myself by doing this, since I have been operating under the assumption that I may be undermining some essential part of the learning by doing it this way. Thank you for this video.
Lefty here. I never thought about this issue until reading your post. Do what feels natural. I had no issue doing it the CCP endorsed way 🇨🇳！
Whoa, I didn’t know people simplify characters to write faster! And yes, another writing video would be interesting! I’ve always found handwritten Chinese intimidating to read,
especially if it’s really cursive. Your exam handwriting is actually very legible! But I can’t read your teachers’ handwritings😭From my non-native perspective it almost looks like a different language😭lol
Haha I often have difficulty reading those cursive characters too. Don't worry! I often just went to my teachers to check what exactly they wrote 😂
@@GraceMandarinChinese haha Oh okay. Thanks for the encouragement! Glad it’s not just me😂
This is so helpful, its so hard to find videos about handwriting in Chinese, especially from a native, so thanks for this!
Was there ever a time you had to write fast but it felt like it just took forever? Feel free to share your experience in the comments! Also, if you have some tips that help you write faster, please share them with us!
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Btw, let me know if you'd be interested in learning about the basics of writing Chinese characters! :)
Yes please! Make a video about that too!
Yes, I am interested in learning. Please make a video thank you! :)
How about also 6-10 character sentences at medium speed
A great video, Grace
Our 口语 teacher often tells us we can write faster and gives us examples on the blackboard
Next up, make a video on how to ready sloppy handwriting so I can finally read my mom's cursive plz
Wow! ABChinese is here!
really?! 29 minutes ago?
I think I have a hard time reading cursive characters too lol
hahaha
The only person who understands my grass script is myself and the Weixin/pleco/iPhone text algorithms. I never bothered to see if a human other then my wife could read it
basics of writing Chinese characters would be great! Especially if you also include some traditional characters, because those are what I'm learning
這個很好玩，我很喜歡寫中文字，但是我想要學行書，覺得很漂亮，很自然。感謝妳的分享，真有意思。🥰
As a Malay i'm really excited and proud to learn every chinese word..thank you so much grace : )
This videos has been very helpful. Even though I'm learning japanese and won't be needing to write characters most of the time, these "rules" will help with reading a lot
I'm learning the simplified version. What I use to write faster is just the second one you mentioned, which is to reduce strokes haha. Not like I saw a tutorial or something, I think you just naturally do it when you when you are in a position where you need to write a lot in a small amount of time, and you are already very familiar with the character you are writing. We have a lot of dictation in class, so somehow my brain started to write like that so that I'm not left behind. I was amused to see that some of the ways I write are similar to yours, but not all of them of course haha. I think I'm not at that level yet.
I think that more than everything, as you mentioned at some point, practice is the real clue. I write pretty fast the characters I use a lot, but I lose a lot of time writing characters that I just learned or that I seldom use since I need to stop and remember how to write them. Even if you simplify them or reduce the number of strokes, if you are not very familiar with the character yet, it's going to take you some time to write it.
Thank you so much Grace ! as a Chinese self-learner I seldom watch Chinese hand-writing characters , so I always wonder how to write Chinese characters faster as natives would do. Your video helps a lot !
首先真的谢谢Grace老师分享您的经历。我学习中文一年了。我觉得现在我可以写得很快。我用的方式是比较可猜的‘写汉字再写一遍’。现在已经习惯了。期待您的新视频再见面！
the chinese handwriting is absolutely amazing!
it´s so much more creative in comparison with what you can do with roman letters ( in my humble opinion )
so please : let´s see more of this content :D :D :D
Thanks for sharing this! I remember making a comment about wanted to see how Chinese people write fast back when you asked people a few years back. It's cool to finally see it become a reality!
Haha thank you for watching my videos for so long! 🥰
As a Japanese person, there are lots of interesting things I've noticed in this video. For one thing, the stroke order of the Chinese character is somewhat different even when it's exactly the same character. Additionaly, the way to cut corners is new to me. We rarely take such a dinamic shortcut in writing a character (新体字), perhaps because our Chinese character is much easier to write in general and few complicated character, and don't need to shorten the time in writing.
Thank you for your amazing video!
Very nicely put.... yes the user must write so they can read it, especially when taking notes. Thank you.
This is very interesting! From my experience, we bearly ever do this with the Latin alphabet. But for the more complex Chinese characters it really makes sense to simplify them for writing.
lowercase letters are literally (heh) simplified uppercase letters formalized.
Great topic, fantastic presentation! 謝謝你 老師~ 🙏
很高興你喜歡！✨
This was so interesting and helpful, I would love to see more writing videos!
Well practice makes perfect esp if u’ve been doing it since u’re a kid 😄 I’ve been using Skritter for few months now and it has really helped me to practice writing Hanzi!
Now we're at it, could you pls make a video on reading cursive characters? I've been learning Mandarin for 5 yrs now, but sometimes it's still challenging to guess the cursive characters immediately😂
This has been really helpful - I’ve seen other lefties in the comments but it was quite a struggle at first for me to get my characters to look “normal” because we lefties are usually doing the opposite movement with the pen (ie. pushing rather than pulling). I especially like how you write 好 quickly (the way I write the 女 radical has always been pretty wonky) and will definitely be incorporating this into my own handwriting!
Great video, thank you!
I live in Japan (another country that uses Chinese letters), and to be honest the need to write by hand is almost zero. Everything can be written on computers or smartphones.
Here are the tricks I used to write fast, back in the analogue era.
1. Write in alphabet the pronunciation, instead of the Chinese letter
2. Write the meaning in English, instead of the Chinese letter
3. Use another letter with similar pronunciation, but less strokes.
4. Write half the letter (usually the radical) and, if needed the pronunciation.
So my notes will be a mix of Chinese letters, English words, pronunciations in alphabets, and unique, crippled and hybridic letters.
I definitely don't write quickly - but that's because I mainly type. I've gotten really great at using pinyin to bring up characters on my Chinese keyboard and as long as I know how to read, I'm going to call that good enough (for now). One day, however, I hope to study calligraphy and that will be a COMPLETELY different level of learning! A great video, as always, Grace. Thanks so much!
Oh! I would like to learn how to use the pinyin keyboard!! I installed but don't know enough of the mandarin pronunciation to type the English pinyin and have it autofill!
@@kerrin6633 It's a lifesaver and I highly recommend you learn correct pinyin as soon as possible because it also helps with memorizing characters much faster. I don't see a character and think "this means table" first I think of the pronunciation first. It also makes me way less scared to try sounding out words (if you know the pinyin, you know the pronunciation rules and therefore a lot of fear is lowered). Hope that helps and good luck with your studies!
Was really curious about this! Thanks!
I’d love to see more on this topic! Keep it up!
Those simplified versions of Chinese characters are commonly used in written languages in Taiwan, especially by teachers. Some are identical to simplified Chinese, some are identical to Japanese Kanji, and some are just complete chaos.
I think the basics of writing Hanzi would be very helpful, especially for beginners!
Something I saw my friend do, that I’ve adopted, is how she writes the 口 radical. First, the down stroke. Then, over and down, but this second down is diagonal so it almost makes a triangle. Then, without picking up the pen, write that last bottom stroke. The end result looks like an upside-down triangle with a line coming out of the bottom part.
I also sometimes turn dots into squiggles. For example, the fire radical 灬 will turn into a squiggle with about four bumps in it. Since my Chinese name has a character with this part, I often do it when signing my name!
Excellent 👌👍 Last months I practice handwriting
Excellent video, this always quenched my thirst to know this.
it's amazing what the natural human hand simplifies (or elaborates)
written compared to the "standard artistic forms" of the script.
I actually have a hard time reading some of the written script from natural hand
as characters take on short hand shape compared to the print shape forms,
but that's natural with any hand written system I think.
Woo new video!
I think I write fast enough. However, I am envious of someone who is able to write fast, and their Chinese characters are beautiful.
I just love this 😊😊
Another helpful video! THX Grace! viewer from Taiwan❤
Talking about that simplified 數, when I first saw this word from my math teacher, I thought it was the standard simplified Chinese. But after I learned the Japanese kanji of 數(most kanjis are same with standard simplified Chinese characters), I found that simplified one in this video is the Taiwanese version of 數, and only Taiwanese people write this way lol.
Haha I used to think it was the standard simplified Chinese too lol
@@GraceMandarinChinese 都是數學老師惹的禍XD
Wow, this type of video is so rare. I'm really interested even though I learned to write Chinese since young, from Malaysia. Your handwriting looks pretty neat, even when connected, they don't feel connected, mine is a lot messier.
I now generally write in traditional but I have a habit of using Japanese simplified characters rather than the Mainland simplified, such as の instead of 的, 亜 instead of 亞, 児 instead of 兒, lol 😅
I found that people still understand it, even the の, granted most of my handwritten characters aren't that far off.
Keep making this type of videos, please, I'm really interested, especially the traditional characters, and I like that you're very detailed, shows your dedication. Love them.
Whilst の looks passably like cursive 的 it may interest you to know that the hiragana actually comes from the cursive 乃
Indeed actually all of the shinjitai characters youve shown are common variants that are widely used - if I'm writing traditional then I tend to cross througj the 亞 as well.
There's not many that are very shinjitai only, some I can thin of are using four dots for repeats: 渋軣 etc, or using 尺 for 睪 in 駅、訳etc (it works in Japanese but not in chinese)
Very cool! I’ve been laboriously learning traditional characters using Remembering The Traditional Hanzi by Heisig and Richardson, along with Pleco. I’m up to 1800 characters that I know pretty well but at the same time using graded readers to get more familiar with the characters in actual use. I really enjoy seeing how you write characters fast. My Taiwanese wife does that fast writing Aldi, which leaves me in awe. I’m still writing like I’m doing calligraphy instead of communicating. I would be interested if you do something with writing characters.
The Bible 😇- Changed my life. Heisig and Richardson are geniuses. Lot of fake books out there for learning characters. There is no equal.
非常好！😭😭😭❣️🤜🤛
有趣❤
謝謝！🥰
I had bad writing habits in my own language, since I learnt to write too early and not even grasping my pencil adequately. I wrote too slowly, messy and ugly characters... As I learnt Chinese and became aware of stroke order and other elements in my calligraphy I slowly re-learnt the way I wrote in every language!! I write in a way which 'optimizes' up&down and back&forth movements, so it's faster to write but also maintains the integrity of each character.
After being succesful in this, I got greedy and relearnt again to make my writing prettier, hahahah.
Chinese has changed my calligraphy a lot!
AH, I remembered. What made my calligraphy faster + prettier + clearer was writing letters. They had to be super clear for even non-natives to read, but I also wanted to give a good impression (and didn't have time to write so slowly). This pressure acelerated it a lot.
Good golly, I would love to have more videos about writing in Chinese!
I think to write faster in traditional script, some words can follow the style used in certain font codes (somewhat like the words in the official character directory by an PRC education agency, meant to regulate digital/printing display of simplified and traditional texts).
As someone based outside of the greater China region, using local English as OS language for personal devices, when I come across traditional Chinese text in most apps (like here, comments section in RUclips app), some words/word-parts would be shown in a “semi-simplified” manner rather than the format made standard in Taiwan (and passed on to HK/Macau). Even when I switch my keyboard output, it’s the same too
Just a heads up that the stroke order for characters on Pleco is only free for a few of them, if you want the stroke order for all characters, you have to pay extra 😭
Ahh I didn’t know that! Thanks for the reminder!!
@@GraceMandarinChinese no problems :-)
Money well spent. I bought every add on that exists for Pleco. If you’re a serious student it’s required
There's a free app called 学汉字 that has stroke order for I think all of the characters.
Great video… so interesting.
Yes its helpful.. 😁 recently i was too tensed regarding my writing because when i practice on a square box notebook my writing is like so beautiful but then when i write on the ruling page , the characters are not in the same order like some are big some small, basically it doesn't seem appealing, i have been worrying that how could i improve it, watching your video , i understood one thing that everyone has their own style of writing, mine is different too.. just need to practice without worries and I'll improve it however i want 🥰😸 多谢!
I love Chinese characters. Please do make that video.
Thank you so much❤
Wowww cool
4:44 what pen were you using? (Sorry about the bad timing of the time) 😅
I was using this pen (the black one on the left): www.amazon.com/Uni-Ball-Ballpoint-Colors-Japan-Sticker/dp/B08ZSJV4K3
Super interesting video! I wonder how left-handed adults write. Since stroke orders are optimized for writing with your right hand, I wonder how left-handed writers optimize their speed, and do cursive. Maybe change some left-to-right strokes to right-to-left?
I search 行書style characters to learn how to write a little fast. I would like to learn 草書 style but it's very very confuse
Thanks for video. I have been writing since 2009 and learned from James Heisig’s excellent text Remembering Hanzi and have natural muscle memory for any character. I think after you master a few hundred, the rest (no matter how many )are easy to write. My wife is from Jingzhou, Hubei so I learned the grass script from her which came very naturally. 写汉字很好玩儿❤。 Pleco is part of my daily toolkit and scritter can be amusing to use for awhile until the muscle memory is worked out but I no longer need it. 我的最好汉字是龜🐢. That’s a fun one to write!
Thank goodness for text messaging in iPhone and Weixin. The only way I write to Chinese family is in Weixin. I scribble grass script for characters into pleco or weixin or iPhone for texting when I forget the pinyin or learn a new character But if I couldn’t scribble correctly and efficiently Pleco and Weixin would have a tough time knowing what heck I’m doing. 加油！ I’ll be in 荆州 in 2 weeks visiting family and it’s always fun to turn the Chinese writing into high gear when I’m there.
謝謝你的分享🌹🌹
Finally one of my biggest question in learning chinese is answered. It's kinda crazy to me that there is no standardized cursive style writing. Also, I want to connect many lines but still want the character to be readable to anyone. Is it even possible?
as long as the order of the strokes is correct, connecting a lot of strokes doesn't make the character any less legible
@@NO1xANIMExFAN that's interesting, I'll definitely gonna try it, but I always think some characters abbreviation doesn't follow stroke order. For example the character 安, I usually see the dot (dian) is connected to 女 character. But idk, maybe for the majority of characters, we still need to follow the stroke order.
The first letter from a Chinese friend really frustrated me, i could hardly deciffer the characters. Foreigners often only deal with printed characters, and though we might develop some writing habits, there's not much hand-written exchange. My grandparents occasionally used Süterlin, one gets used to it after some time, but i reckon it is as strange to those never been exposed to it.
hii! i was wondering if you could make a video that talks about 不止 and 不只
I learned chinese before but not traditionnal mandarin, i have a kids writing haha or more your friend's writing, i like your friend writing i can read very well what she wrote. I'm french, even in french little or when i was a teenager i wrote better than now, my writing was bigger, now smaller like i don't want to write lol but it's okay, doctors writing are worse than me or you, even in my language i don't understand what they wrote lol
more like this please
I learnt a "ditto" for repetitive words, eg 謝謝 would be 謝 followed by a symbol that looks like an angular 3. I don't use it though, I write like a child 😂
〻 (iteration symbol found it on Wikipedia)
In Japanese, the ditto symbol is officially used in documents and it is mandatory to use it.
Your accent in English is amazing and I am not a native speaker, but if you are looking to improve it even further, allow me to notice a common occurrence in your pronounciation, and it's that often you're missing final plosive sounds, i.e. for "stroke order", it sounds more like "stro-order", while one would expect "stroKHorder" making sure it's plosive and aspirated. Or for "I wrote down" it sounds like "I wro-down", missing the T sound, that while it eases into the following consonant, it doesn't completely disappear. I hope you don't mind this comment.
Wow thanks!! I’ll try to improve that. I really appreciate you pointing that out 🙏
Gracias!
good and important topic
i need to learn how to do cursive in chinese
I only know one phrase in chinese! 我爱你😭
I remember my teacher telling me to correct my writing when I was a kid… I then stopped writing 口 just like an eraser that only has one edge used lol
i'm a super slow writer because my hand writing is horrible but i have symptoms of ocd so I delete and write again for like 50 times RIP i actually prefer writing chinese characters because there's not so much variety? what you can do with your handwriting compared to other scripts i guess ^^
The better is to write fast with beautiful writing that makes others understand haha, your friend has beautiful writing + i can understand more haha sorry
对于简体字来说，平均每分钟20字，是比较适中的速度。
This type of content is so useful, I apreciate you for sharing it with us 😊
Videos on writing is amazing but the words today I didn’t understand at all
I have no idea why I'm here. I don't know any Chinese at all. Somehow this was weirdly interesting. Thanks algo.
I wonder how you type on laptop and mobile phone🤔
In Taiwan there is the phonetic Bopomofo input, in Mainland China the phonetic Pinyin input. Type the pronunciation and a list of Chinese letters to choose appears.
你的字好可爱
哈哈謝謝！🥰
@@GraceMandarinChinese谢谢您！ 我非常需要这个视频！❤
I’m interested
I'm against simplified characters as a standard but I'm always interested in nonstandard abbreviated forms like 數 & 寫.
Nonstandard characters could be a subject for one of your videos or more.
Wow i am korean and the thumbnail looks like korean word 말
Perhaps the advent of keyboards will lock in character styles for longer compared to the continual drift of the handwritten era.
我练习很多！
traditional is main chinese writing
I feel a bit of vindication seeing how you write 吃 and 可, my teacher used to mark it wrong if I did stuff like that in essays...
4:40 Wait I thought the first part of 以 was just one stroke not two 😭
Oh! It seems that in Traditional characters, that part has two strokes, while in Simplified characters, it has just one stroke. Sorry for the confusion!
@@GraceMandarinChinese oh I see! Interesting how the stroke count can differ even when the character looks the same
@@GraceMandarinChineseI've never seen a simp-trad distinction. Both hanping dictionary and my stroke order app give the same character, which has one stroke. I'd love to see a source which disagrees with mine.
@@rawcopper604 Sure! Here's a website where you can search the standard stroke order for traditional characters. It's sourced from the Ministry of Education in Taiwan: stroke-order.learningweb.moe.edu.tw/characters.do?lang=zh_TW
@@SR-kh6yq Ikr!! I thought they were the same. That's why I didn't mention it in the video. 🥺
썸네일에 ‘말’이라고 써있는줄
I'm learning korean and I thought you wrote 말 on video preview
My writing looks like children's drawings 😂
Haha no worries! These days we mostly type anyway 😂
PHILOSOPHY I want to know about Chinese philosophy. Teach something plz
Start by reading one article on Comfucianisn and one on Daoism.
CLOSE YOUR MOUTH!
口 no
🔺yes
I'm even afraid to imagine how Chinese doctors write.....
I actually genuinely agree with you
Handwriting is an important first impression and reflects your personality. For example, a handwritten love note like "我很喜歡你" will be less effective if you write it in a sloppy way. I am sure you received a lot of these!
But why her thumbnail is hangul/Korean alphabet 😅
I'm chinese 😂😂
I can't understand some words you write even if i learned chinese lol
I would love to learn chinese with you in your house 😍😘
Imagine being a civilization for thousands of years and are unable to invent an alphabet.
This is the dumbest character system ever.
Your friend's writing is the most legible.
Your professor's writing is a disgrace.
You are so stunningly beautiful… I can hardly concentrate 😅😅