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Why would someone choose the APS-C over the FF. The answer is simple because I just made that choice. I'm travelling Asia and the weight of the camera system is a big deal. I'm on the A6400 + Sony 11mm F1.8 + Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 + Sony 85mm F1.8 = 1.25kG total. It's not the weight of the body thats the issue, its the weight of those FF lenses. I sold my FF A7RIII and FF lenses in order to 'downgrade' to the lighter system. The lighter weight is just so much nicer to travel with.
Tony mentions that the a6600 does not have a flip screen and he could not see himself when doing a selfie. That A6600 actually does have a screen that can be flipped to face forward. Just grab the screen from the bottom, pull it toward you and then swivel it up. It is now positioned (mostly) above the camera and facing forward.
Yes, but what if you use a top-mounted microphone (like most) or any other accessory ? That's why Tony's point is relevant : not a tilting (and unobstructed) screen.
I mean, the Fuji XH2s, XH2, and XT5 are arguably all better APS-C cameras than any of these, but are a little more expensive. I’d think the X-S20 would make sense for sure. This channel has a pretty well-documented anti-Fuji bias. A lot of what is reported about GFX is just inaccurate and Tony seems to be hyper-critical of Fuji’s X autofocus, which I think is only somewhat fair right now. Fuji autofocus has improved a lot…
Thank you for the comparison. I am currently owe a Sony A6000 and have some lense, but I really want to upgrade. I was debating between the Sony A7C ii or A6700 ? Also noticed the full frame Lenes are so much more expensive. I only use my cameras for family and one in a blue a gig or two. Is the low light a big difference between both? Thanks
Ok the lens dealio I'll figure that out, my next question, FLASH compatibility? I have a 580ex2 that appears from what I've read will work easily with the R7, what options are there for the Sony??
How do you count sharps and unsharps in the running test ? I have tested the A6700 with the 2.8 70 200 GM2. On static subjects, the pics are sharp up to 170% magnification. On runners coming towards the camera, bright sunlight, 1/2500 s and faster, about 3% are fully sharp, most are sharp up to 100%. I would count only 3% sharp, to be compared to your 83%.
Important to remember that that choosing full frame over APS-C also means lenses are much larger, heavier and more expensive. For those who want to travel light, think less about the bodies and more about the glass.
actually an apsc equivalent lens to a full frame is about the same size and weight, if you take into consideration the aperture to get the same depth of field.
@@truthseeker6804 Yes, but I'd happily take an f-stop of low DOF away for the portability and cost reduction of lenses for travel. Not so much for portraiture, but most travel/street/journalism photography is fine with a bit more in focus. I think there's a place for APS-C and it's not a valid argument to suggest that when prices of APS-C and full frame bodies are similar that full frame is a logical "winner".
@@InstructorWest when the prices are similar, the apsc has to have many specs advantages that would overcome the full frame, then i would say the apsc is worth it for specific usecase. but if the specs difference isnt much, then the full frame is the clear winner. this a6700 is a good camera, my issue with this camera, its slightly overpriced. it shouldve been at $1100 and sony should release a better apsc camera to compete with the canon r7, a camera that can be used professionally, dual SD, more megapixel, faster fps. but this a6700 is good for video, but overheats fast tho. its got too many downsides. if you rarely do 4k120p the canon r7 and r8 are much better cameras for similar price.
Great video guys, thanks for the comparison. I have the 6600 and in general I'm super happy with the photography side but I'm thinking moving to the 6700 for the video improvements.
Tony, I bought Sony 6700 in October 2023, but returned it due to overheating problem even though I was only shooting photography.. I'm surprised you never mentioned the overheating problem of this new Sony 6700?
on rolling shutter, can you elaborate on what you were measuring? DPreview & Gerald Undone got closer to 16 ms, though said it varies depending on mode.
How is the EVF blackout and lag - is there any improvement there, presumably it is still barely usable for tracking fast action ? It's hard to believe Sony still haven't produced a stacked-sensor version or at least been able to match the Canon non-stacked sensor readout speeds.
Thanks. About stabilization, I get your point of evaluating a % below the reciprical rule. However, it would have been interresting to to the same without stabilisation at all. And when you'll evaluate the XS20, please try youy best to check that with close experimental settings.
do you think or you know if CFExpress cards are more reliable? I just had a SD brick on me. Luckily I was using a two card camera (FX30) and no data was lost. but are CFEpress more robust?
Thanks for the review Tony, I think you have missed a few things, I have a A6600 and it's and all round camera for me, landscape, astro and wildlife, occasional portraits and ocourse video. It would have been good if you added in that this camera is an all-rounder and included sensor performance for low light in stills, also improvements and performance in low light, and stabilisation for video with a long lens. I have invested in Sony and third party lenses so it's an easy choice for me, I'll upgrade to the A6700 when I get a good deal.
@igordmitriev7211 that's it, it's a great lens light and sharp photos. I might also get the Sony 200 to 600 for more reach or the Tamron or Sigma equivalent
when you put it in any Mode bird animal human etc to the right is an arrow if you go into that sub menu you can Taylor it to do a lot more things.. head body head only how " sticky" etc etc
The A6600 has more Custom Button options, they have removed the switch button from the 6700's back that I specifically use, and overall I had the impression of intentionally downplaying the a6600 just to promote the newer version. I have NEVER experienced ANY autofocus issues with the A6600 and have no intention of upgrading for what I can tell from the review. Yes, I'd love to have the better LCD and the USB-C and the memory slot inside vs under, but I would miss my Custom Button settings I already have on the A6600. The A6700 is a great camera obviously, but for me, it's not worth the upgrade.
Hey @Tonyandchelsea, thanks for the video, great comparisson. Would it be possible to perform a similar video comparing X-S20 with A6700 ? Thanks and keep it up with the good work :)
I got back in to photography about a year ago and would have considered canon. However, their choice to kill support for 3rd party lenses totally turned me off them all together, regardless of how good they might be. I picked up an a6400 instead and plan to pick up a full frame sony at some point down the line.
How is it's low light performance comapred to full frame for pictures? also to the stacked sensor from the XT5 (which is from sony) Also it comes at the same price to an A7C. Weight and form factor are the same by now. My current apsc lineup is sigma 16mm 1.4, 30mm 1.4, Sony 18-105. and I shoot 98 percent of my photos of with the Sigma 30. those are 405g, 265g, 427g = 1,096g possible replacements: samyang 24 1.8 230g, sony zeiss 55 1.8 281g, sony 24-105 663g = 1,174g Price is almost no factor as well anymore, Samyang has a ton of affordable lenses, Viltrox to
I have the R7 and am debating between the R6 MKII or the R8 for the full frame upgrade. As for RF glass, I love the RF 18-150 even though it is no0t an L glass lens. I also love the RF 100-400, even though it is not an APS-C lens. The RF600 F11 works very good if the lighting is decent. Plus I have a bunch of EF glass including the EF 300 F2.8 (v1) lens.
Sony a6700 with Sony 70-350 for wildlife, Sigma 18-50 f2.8 for everyday and street, Sigma 56mm 1.4 for portraits. you cant beat this with any system based on weight to performance ratio.
All you need for the Canon R7 is EF-RF adaptor and you can use the vast array of EF lenses , Canon and others that are available. I have done that on my R7
@@TonyAndChelsea I guess my real Questions are what will benefit my style of shooting when comparing the FF a7c, to the Ai auto focus in the 6700 for cars/ people objects- I primarily will be photographing cars, and portraits. And occasionally night photography. I just want nice quality and I don’t know if that smaller sensor will compromise that! Will the added megapixels on the a6700 outshine the ff sensor on the a7c?
Hi Tony and Chelsea I always had a canon DSLR throughout my life as an amateur. And i had used other 3rd party lenses too. Now im going to switc over to mirrorless. Was thinking of getting a canon R7 but as you mentioned in this vdo that Canon somehow is going to restrict using 3rd party lenses and canon lenses are really expensive. So what would suggest me to buy.. please help and advice Thanks Mason
I have a R7 and my sigma 150-600 C and 17-70 OS HSM do pluse a lot. Though a firmware update via the Dock and some tweaks in the 150-690C settings and R7 sorted 95% of the issue.
@TonyAndChelsea : or A Photography Enthusiast and New Camera Buyer point of view detailed comparison between Fuji XS20 and Sony 6700 or Canon R7 would be appreciable.
Just another APSC camera with limited improvement. I sort of expect a bit more from Sony on this model like faster frame rate more than just 1 more frame per sec. Seriously my old A7R4 can also shoot in APSC mode with 26mp.
As a Canon 90D shooter, would love to see how well some of the Canon ef-s lenses perform on the R7 (with an adapter of course). The 90D has a lot of focus issues, attributed to the sensor size and MP. Had been wondering if the mirrorless APS-C Canon would have a similar issue, but seems not - that's good to know.
@@Berry_N I was early adopter of Canon R7. Here is list of the things I didn't like about R7. - shutter shock -AF hunting even with RF 100-400, sometimes you had to peek AF in EVF, cause I got AF confirmation it is locked on subject, but I had to pump that AF-ON button to see it is focused (this was biggest drawback of this camera), this problem is not that big of a deal if subject if filling the frame or contrast is good -32mpix sensor is just too much for normal user, details got crushed in shadows which was critical for my work (I shoot in woods) so sometimes I feel FF would be better solution but FF is not ideal for wildlife on budget and reach Still think ergonomics of R7 are great, battery life is great too. Dual card slots, button customizations, EVF, screen great. It was tough decision to part with it but I just might buy A6700, still have A6100 which has great sensor much better for shadow recovery than R7 and more details in general since 24mpix doesn't resolve lens flaws.
The af looks pretty impressive, the stabilization looks good, the no crop 4k 60 is a big plus, the auto framing option is pretty interesting, and the screen being able to flip to the side and rotate forward is very nice. I do more photography than video, so i probably will wait on the upgrade but if you do a lot of video i think there is actually some big improvements here. (This is coming from an a6400 user)
@zegzbrutal one is 2x the price of the other, my lenses are mainly aps-c, and I prefer a smaller body and leses. Full frame isn't really an upgrade for everyone, just as medium format isn't always an upgrade to full frame.
@@jared3622 depends where you are, but a7r4 dropped a lot from MSRP, some places is even cheaper than FX30. And if you don't mind used, good~mint condition a7r4/a7r4a is a better buy over a6700. Getting it and use its crop mode only is no loss. The much better EVF, control layout and dual SD slots are worth it.
I got the A6600 last year for the longer video recording and in 4K as my Nex 7 cuts out because of over heating before the time limit on recording. The A6700 is going to be better but at the cost of a larger camera and I already find the A6600 too heavy and bulky.
I thought I didn't care about 2 memory slots, until I got my fx30 and now I am always less stressed and that is worth a lot. So at the end a6700 would be a great photo go to with video B cam for my fx30
Can you please advise me on the best camera for travelling, shooting video without limits in 30min, stabilizer, excellent portrait photography and street photography? 🙏The best and compact that is on the market, not for making money but for a hobby. About the budget, I have no limits, but I don't want to overpay for something I don't need. Since one of the needs is to use the camera when travelling, I don't want the camera to be too big and heavy. When travelling I will be photographing architecture in cities, my wife, landscapes and quite a lot of video. I choose between Canon and Sony, so far the choice has stopped on Canon R6 mark2 or Sony 6700. Thank you all very much in advance
I’m not that unique and would buy the APS-C camera for it’s smaller size and weight for travel when I leave my full frame setup at home. For me the large array of small lenses available for Sony E mount is a clear win. I actually own both a Canon EOS R5 and Sony A1 and for the Canon R5 I don’t have a single RF L lens that is nice and small for light travel. With Sony there are many including the full array of Sigma I-Series from 17mm to 90mm that work both on FF and APS-C. Thank you for your review.
I’ve really enjoyed my a6600 for hiking, travel (International & motorcycle) and landscape photography. Having a light weight kit and compact kit is important to me. After using the a6000, the a6600 was such an improvement. I appreciate the review of many of the improvements to a6700. But am wondering about the weight, so I will look that up as it is a big advantage for what I do. Thanks for the review!!
sony 6700 lost two important modes for travel photo: HDR photo and MFNR (Multi Frame Noise Reduction). Also a6600 better at low light condition than a6700. So a6600 is better for photo and amateur video.
Atmospheric effect of course will ruin any photos taken by any gears. The mp difference doesn't matter. But you should see the difference between 32 mp and 26 mp when subject is taken up close without the heat simmer.
The lens cost point breaks down when you factor in adapting all the now cheap used EF/EFS glass thats availble. Also with adapted glass you can use the adapters to get a range of effective focal lenghts with 1 lens. I use a basic canon EF to RF adapter, a speed booster and 1.4 EF teleconverter to get 4 effective focal lenghts from one lens. The plain canon adapted lens, speed boosted lens, adapted lens w the TC and the speed boosted lens with the TC.
I was able to find a voightlander 40 mm prime with an RF mount and there are plenty of Zeiss primes with EF mounts. Found 1 of each for less than 1 K. Waiting for sales. Haven’t tried on crop sensor but love on FF R8. I think there will be a lot of RF third party primes coming out
Thinking seriously about picking up the a6700 as a second camera since I'm already invested in the Sony ecosystem. But, will never ever use it as my primary go to camera having had multiple card failures in the past, the first of which wiped out a super important shoot prior going to the A7R3.
I have the full frame Sony A7R IV and I'm seriously considering buying g the A6700 as a second body. Reasons: 1- I can use my existing quality full frame glass, unlike Nikon or Canon. 2- The smaller body is ideal for Street Photography and Travel. I do a lot of event photography, so having these two cameras with me and the A6700 sporting a 16-35mm lens (full frame equivalent of 24-50mm) will be an ideal set up.
You can use Nikon FX glass on a DX body. The 24-70F4S is great on the Z50/Zfc/Z30. Not only that but with the ETZ21 you can mount ANY Sony lens to the Z-mount. I've used the 15mmf1.4G on my Z50 too. I'm getting an a6700 for my f2.8 Tamron zooms. Nikon's Expeed7/8 will narrow the gap. HUGE shout out to Sony for how much better the color looks compared to the others in this video!
Il be upgrading from the a6600. but I will wait till i see user reviews because ive heard that the camera gets very hot. the i10 bit video sold it to me among other things.
Unfortunately, I’ve purchased the Sony a6700. It gets hot far too quickly, and you have to switch it off frequently to cool down. I’ve since discovered that the FX 30, which in many respects is the same camera, has active cooling and the A6700 doesn’t. I think it’s very remiss of Sony to produce, after so many years, a brilliant spec. APSC camera which, in my opinion, is seriously let down by the lack of active cooling. I have owned and used the a6300 for several years, and it has never ever overheated. Is overheating common with Sony full frame cameras? Can you guys suggest any way to remedy this ? which is the best way to get in touch with Sony to complain about it?
@@gilbertpc805 it was showing the overheating message during video shooting at very high quality settings. I returned that camera to the store and they replaced it with a different a6700. This one does get hot but nowhere as much as the first and so far not had a overheating message. Ulanzi are bringing out a cooling fan that sits on the back of the a6700 with suction pads. I’m really impressed with the capability of the camera and will be keeping this replacement. But Sony really should’ve fitted active cooling ie a fan, as they did with the FX30.
Love you guys so much. The reviews are always excellent, both thorough and enjoyable. But I can’t believe you didn’t mention the Fuji options in this battle. The XS-20 might not quite land in the same performance bracket for autofocus, but for everything else it wipes the floor with those two, doesn’t it? Maybe that’s a bit too dramatic, but still… would be good to hear your take on Fuji when it comes to APSC battles. Thanks again for all the quality videos.
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You'd better put a link for R8 as well. 😁
you compared the sonys 1:1 in portrait shot... no difference. but were is the 1:1 canon vs 6700?????
Why would someone choose the APS-C over the FF. The answer is simple because I just made that choice. I'm travelling Asia and the weight of the camera system is a big deal. I'm on the A6400 + Sony 11mm F1.8 + Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 + Sony 85mm F1.8 = 1.25kG total. It's not the weight of the body thats the issue, its the weight of those FF lenses. I sold my FF A7RIII and FF lenses in order to 'downgrade' to the lighter system. The lighter weight is just so much nicer to travel with.
Tony mentions that the a6600 does not have a flip screen and he could not see himself when doing a selfie. That A6600 actually does have a screen that can be flipped to face forward. Just grab the screen from the bottom, pull it toward you and then swivel it up. It is now positioned (mostly) above the camera and facing forward.
Yes, but what if you use a top-mounted microphone (like most) or any other accessory ? That's why Tony's point is relevant : not a tilting (and unobstructed) screen.
Maybe I missed it in the video, but isn't the Fujifilm X-S20 an obvious comparison?
That's what I was thinking!
They probably don’t have access to the X-S20, they probably had to record with what they had to meet the embargo
Def a great comparison point. I’m sure there will be lots of those comparisons soon.
I mean, the Fuji XH2s, XH2, and XT5 are arguably all better APS-C cameras than any of these, but are a little more expensive. I’d think the X-S20 would make sense for sure. This channel has a pretty well-documented anti-Fuji bias. A lot of what is reported about GFX is just inaccurate and Tony seems to be hyper-critical of Fuji’s X autofocus, which I think is only somewhat fair right now. Fuji autofocus has improved a lot…
Sony forbid them to do it...
Thank you for the informative and helpful comparison video! As always very useful! Keep creating!
Really the best camera reviews… data driven and personal preference are disclosed and explained.
Honestly think we should see a comparison to the XS-20 because this is a fair bit more expensive yet seems to be comparative in most aspects.
You guys do good stuff! I have been following for years. Glad to see you in good health and the videos are better than eer...
Nice comprehensive review and comparisons!
The real competition appeared at the end, when Tony lifted the R8
Thank you for the comparison. I am currently owe a Sony A6000 and have some lense, but I really want to upgrade. I was debating between the Sony A7C ii or A6700 ?
Also noticed the full frame Lenes are so much more expensive. I only use my cameras for family and one in a blue a gig or two. Is the low light a big difference between both?
Thanks
As always, you are amazing! Straight to the point.
Can I connect an external monitor via HDMI, and not lose face tracking autofocus?
How is the high iso performance in stills with the a6700?
Which lens were you using on the a6700 for the run test?
An eye opener guys, great review ❤❤
Would you recommend 6700 / R7 / Nikon z6 ii for sports photography?
Canon R7! just bought one, thanks for your share. What kind of filter will be better? Kase or Nisi?
Question: Does the Sony a6700 have a Dedicated AF button on the back for "Back Button Focus"?
This is the best Sony camera promotion channel on RUclips! Kudos!
I think you guys have reviewed both cameras, the Sony a6700 and the Lumix S5ii. Which one for product photography?
Ok the lens dealio I'll figure that out, my next question, FLASH compatibility? I have a 580ex2 that appears from what I've read will work easily with the R7, what options are there for the Sony??
Thanks for the review. Surprised that Fuji X-S20 is nowhere in sight though
19:25 honest question: what are the unique, specialty or niche, or generally just super high quality lenses for APS-C E-mount?
How do you count sharps and unsharps in the running test ?
I have tested the A6700 with the 2.8 70 200 GM2. On static subjects, the pics are sharp up to 170% magnification. On runners coming towards the camera, bright sunlight, 1/2500 s and faster, about 3% are fully sharp, most are sharp up to 100%. I would count only 3% sharp, to be compared to your 83%.
Great review! I am excited for you to review the Sony A7C II and see how it compares. :)
Is it a slideshow at 11 fps like the a6600?
Important to remember that that choosing full frame over APS-C also means lenses are much larger, heavier and more expensive. For those who want to travel light, think less about the bodies and more about the glass.
Exactly. The reason why I went with APS-C 10 years ago and not going to switch to the full format.
actually an apsc equivalent lens to a full frame is about the same size and weight, if you take into consideration the aperture to get the same depth of field.
@@truthseeker6804 I am not so sure about that. But regardless, the NEX-sized bodies are gone and are likely not coming back, which is sad.
@@truthseeker6804 Yes, but I'd happily take an f-stop of low DOF away for the portability and cost reduction of lenses for travel. Not so much for portraiture, but most travel/street/journalism photography is fine with a bit more in focus. I think there's a place for APS-C and it's not a valid argument to suggest that when prices of APS-C and full frame bodies are similar that full frame is a logical "winner".
@@InstructorWest when the prices are similar, the apsc has to have many specs advantages that would overcome the full frame, then i would say the apsc is worth it for specific usecase. but if the specs difference isnt much, then the full frame is the clear winner. this a6700 is a good camera, my issue with this camera, its slightly overpriced. it shouldve been at $1100 and sony should release a better apsc camera to compete with the canon r7, a camera that can be used professionally, dual SD, more megapixel, faster fps. but this a6700 is good for video, but overheats fast tho. its got too many downsides. if you rarely do 4k120p the canon r7 and r8 are much better cameras for similar price.
Trying to find which lens you used at Rocky Neck State Park, can't find it. The big one.
Great video guys, thanks for the comparison. I have the 6600 and in general I'm super happy with the photography side but I'm thinking moving to the 6700 for the video improvements.
I can only say, do it!😀
Tony, I bought Sony 6700 in October 2023, but returned it due to overheating problem even though I was only shooting photography.. I'm surprised you never mentioned the overheating problem of this new Sony 6700?
Are cages from Sony a6400/6600 compatible with Sony a6700?
Great review as always. Is Sigma not producing 2 APSC lenses for Canon RF mount soon?
There was a rumor about that but nothing solid yet. I hope so!
Does it have in camera focus stacking?
Does the a6700 have the option for a vertical grip? I find the vertical grip very handy when using my 200-600 on my a7 iii
on rolling shutter, can you elaborate on what you were measuring? DPreview & Gerald Undone got closer to 16 ms, though said it varies depending on mode.
Love ur videos I have a sony a6500 and I want to upgrade was looking at the a6700 or upgrade to the likes of a A7 3 second hand round the same price
Is there evf blackout when shooting?
What about Fuji xt5 or xs20 which photogs are curious knowing?
How is the EVF blackout and lag - is there any improvement there, presumably it is still barely usable for tracking fast action ? It's hard to believe Sony still haven't produced a stacked-sensor version or at least been able to match the Canon non-stacked sensor readout speeds.
I'm looking to upgrading from my a6400 to the a6700 love this video
Sir can you make a comparison between Sony a6700 & Fujifilm XS20...
Thanks. About stabilization, I get your point of evaluating a % below the reciprical rule. However, it would have been interresting to to the same without stabilisation at all. And when you'll evaluate the XS20, please try youy best to check that with close experimental settings.
do you think or you know if CFExpress cards are more reliable?
I just had a SD brick on me. Luckily I was using a two card camera (FX30) and no data was lost. but are CFEpress more robust?
We polled 23000 photographers and found card format didn't make a significant difference
Thanks for the review Tony, I think you have missed a few things, I have a A6600 and it's and all round camera for me, landscape, astro and wildlife, occasional portraits and ocourse video. It would have been good if you added in that this camera is an all-rounder and included sensor performance for low light in stills, also improvements and performance in low light, and stabilisation for video with a long lens. I have invested in Sony and third party lenses so it's an easy choice for me, I'll upgrade to the A6700 when I get a good deal.
What lens do you use for wildlife? 70-350?
@igordmitriev7211 that's it, it's a great lens light and sharp photos. I might also get the Sony 200 to 600 for more reach or the Tamron or Sigma equivalent
what do you mean you can use 3rd party lenses on the canon with the ef adpater. also they just released the RF mount to 3rd parties too.
Appreciate you guys for comparing A6600 vs A6700.
Tony, How about used A9 + TC 1.4x for wildlife vs A6700? i Have mine for 1500 US with just 100k shutter count.
Brilliant!!! absolutely brilliant solution.
when you put it in any Mode bird animal human etc to the right is an arrow if you go into that sub menu you can Taylor it to do a lot more things.. head body head only how " sticky" etc etc
Could I not just use the Canon full frame lenses for the R7?
15:53 The A6600 does have a flip-out screen
The A6600 has more Custom Button options, they have removed the switch button from the 6700's back that I specifically use, and overall I had the impression of intentionally downplaying the a6600 just to promote the newer version. I have NEVER experienced ANY autofocus issues with the A6600 and have no intention of upgrading for what I can tell from the review. Yes, I'd love to have the better LCD and the USB-C and the memory slot inside vs under, but I would miss my Custom Button settings I already have on the A6600. The A6700 is a great camera obviously, but for me, it's not worth the upgrade.
Thank you for this test, especially the running section. It's very useful.
So great review
Why is no one including the X-T5/X-H2(s) in their APS-C comparisons with the A6700 ? Please tell me, aren't they the current pinacle for APS-C ?
Would you prefer a canon R8 or a a6700 ? I would love to know what you think since they are similarly priced❤
How can you forget the xh2 or s variant?
Hey @Tonyandchelsea, thanks for the video, great comparisson.
Would it be possible to perform a similar video comparing X-S20 with A6700 ?
Thanks and keep it up with the good work :)
One card slot is a dealbreaker and is the best reason for me to go with a competitor.
What cameras have you seen in this price range offering two memory card slots?
@@wreiadCanon r7
@@wreiad I was expecting it to cost $100 more and have dual slots. Z5, used X-T4.
@@wreiad X-T5 and X-H2...
I got back in to photography about a year ago and would have considered canon. However, their choice to kill support for 3rd party lenses totally turned me off them all together, regardless of how good they might be.
I picked up an a6400 instead and plan to pick up a full frame sony at some point down the line.
Me too
How is it's low light performance comapred to full frame for pictures? also to the stacked sensor from the XT5 (which is from sony)
Also it comes at the same price to an A7C. Weight and form factor are the same by now.
My current apsc lineup is sigma 16mm 1.4, 30mm 1.4, Sony 18-105. and I shoot 98 percent of my photos of with the Sigma 30.
those are 405g, 265g, 427g = 1,096g
possible replacements:
samyang 24 1.8 230g, sony zeiss 55 1.8 281g, sony 24-105 663g = 1,174g
Price is almost no factor as well anymore, Samyang has a ton of affordable lenses, Viltrox to
Re R7 lens choice: you can always adapt EFs and EF lenses. Instantly, you have a huge choice.
You can tell when these 2 try too hard to punt a specific product. It's clear they're trying to push the 6700 here. I hate when reviewers do this
I have the R7 and am debating between the R6 MKII or the R8 for the full frame upgrade. As for RF glass, I love the RF 18-150 even though it is no0t an L glass lens. I also love the RF 100-400, even though it is not an APS-C lens. The RF600 F11 works very good if the lighting is decent. Plus I have a bunch of EF glass including the EF 300 F2.8 (v1) lens.
Sony a6700 with Sony 70-350 for wildlife, Sigma 18-50 f2.8 for everyday and street, Sigma 56mm 1.4 for portraits.
you cant beat this with any system based on weight to performance ratio.
I always love your extra effort for testing.
All you need for the Canon R7 is EF-RF adaptor and you can use the vast array of EF lenses , Canon and others that are available. I have done that on my R7
so far, that is the compelling reason for me to stay w/ Canon.
Autofocus works as well as native with that adaptor?
How would the a6700 stack up against the a7c? I’m in the market for either of the two but am torn in between the decision of knowing what to get.
The a6700 has better AF but a smaller sensor.
@@TonyAndChelsea I guess my real Questions are what will benefit my style of shooting when comparing the FF a7c, to the Ai auto focus in the 6700 for cars/ people objects- I primarily will be photographing cars, and portraits. And occasionally night photography. I just want nice quality and I don’t know if that smaller sensor will compromise that! Will the added megapixels on the a6700 outshine the ff sensor on the a7c?
Thanks for putting up all that work. Informative video, well done.
5:10 Chelsea you said “I also thought my viewfinder was a little clear“, please provide more info. Thanks for the great videos.
Did canon solved the R7 focusing issue?
Hi Tony and Chelsea
I always had a canon DSLR throughout my life as an amateur. And i had used other 3rd party lenses too. Now im going to switc over to mirrorless. Was thinking of getting a canon R7 but as you mentioned in this vdo that Canon somehow is going to restrict using 3rd party lenses and canon lenses are really expensive. So what would suggest me to buy.. please help and advice
Thanks
Mason
Didn't the video address that?
buy the r7 and have funi ts clearly the better camera here. just get EF lenses should work well. or the specific RF lenses you need.
You can use all those Canon DSLR lenses you already have with the R7 and an adapter. They work great. As well as they ever did on you DSLR.
Very confusing what you said about Canon R7 and 3rd party lenses. So is EF sigman lens with adapter no longer working?
It works just fine... seems that there is a lot of Canon hate going around.
I have a R7 and my sigma 150-600 C and 17-70 OS HSM do pluse a lot. Though a firmware update via the Dock and some tweaks in the 150-690C settings and R7 sorted 95% of the issue.
@@tysonator5433 That Sigma pulses on a lot of cameras, good that you were able to get it resolved 95%...
@TonyAndChelsea : or A Photography Enthusiast and New Camera Buyer point of view detailed comparison between Fuji XS20 and Sony 6700 or Canon R7 would be appreciable.
please do a comparison to the XS-20
why didnt you do walking ibis test?
16:07 the a6600 should be able to have the screen flip up, for selfie shooting/video.
You're right, my mistake. I never really considered the flip-up screen to be usable because it's hidden behind the mic in the hot shoe.
No precapture on the Sony? Otherwise I think it’s a great camera.
As an a6500 owner and hobbyist, the a6700 would be a nice upgrade. Thanks for the video.
Agreed. I have been waiting for something like this with all the performance upgrades with a newer sensor.
More like side grade. You upgrade to full frame from apsc. Not another apsc.
@@truthseeker6804 /facepalm
Just another APSC camera with limited improvement. I sort of expect a bit more from Sony on this model like faster frame rate more than just 1 more frame per sec. Seriously my old A7R4 can also shoot in APSC mode with 26mp.
As a Canon 90D shooter, would love to see how well some of the Canon ef-s lenses perform on the R7 (with an adapter of course). The 90D has a lot of focus issues, attributed to the sensor size and MP. Had been wondering if the mirrorless APS-C Canon would have a similar issue, but seems not - that's good to know.
Usually - the EF(S) lenses perform wayyyy better on the mirrorlens cams conpared to the good old DSLr‘s
@@irciiskylp9975 fantastic to know, thanks!
Had R7. Sold it because AF.
@@gfxmaniac that's not good to hear 😒
@@Berry_N I was early adopter of Canon R7. Here is list of the things I didn't like about R7.
- shutter shock
-AF hunting even with RF 100-400, sometimes you had to peek AF in EVF, cause I got AF confirmation it is locked on subject, but I had to pump that AF-ON button to see it is focused (this was biggest drawback of this camera), this problem is not that big of a deal if subject if filling the frame or contrast is good
-32mpix sensor is just too much for normal user, details got crushed in shadows which was critical for my work (I shoot in woods) so sometimes I feel FF would be better solution but FF is not ideal for wildlife on budget and reach
Still think ergonomics of R7 are great, battery life is great too. Dual card slots, button customizations, EVF, screen great. It was tough decision to part with it but I just might buy A6700, still have A6100 which has great sensor much better for shadow recovery than R7 and more details in general since 24mpix doesn't resolve lens flaws.
The af looks pretty impressive, the stabilization looks good, the no crop 4k 60 is a big plus, the auto framing option is pretty interesting, and the screen being able to flip to the side and rotate forward is very nice.
I do more photography than video, so i probably will wait on the upgrade but if you do a lot of video i think there is actually some big improvements here. (This is coming from an a6400 user)
Why not upgrade to a7r4
@zegzbrutal one is 2x the price of the other, my lenses are mainly aps-c, and I prefer a smaller body and leses. Full frame isn't really an upgrade for everyone, just as medium format isn't always an upgrade to full frame.
@@jared3622 depends where you are, but a7r4 dropped a lot from MSRP, some places is even cheaper than FX30. And if you don't mind used, good~mint condition a7r4/a7r4a is a better buy over a6700.
Getting it and use its crop mode only is no loss. The much better EVF, control layout and dual SD slots are worth it.
All 4K modes in A6700 have crop (its oversampled from 6K, but sensor has 6.2K) Its ends up 1.6x crop, same as Canon.
Its minimal, but its there.
I got the A6600 last year for the longer video recording and in 4K as my Nex 7 cuts out because of over heating before the time limit on recording. The A6700 is going to be better but at the cost of a larger camera and I already find the A6600 too heavy and bulky.
I thought I didn't care about 2 memory slots, until I got my fx30 and now I am always less stressed and that is worth a lot. So at the end a6700 would be a great photo go to with video B cam for my fx30
yeah! its nice that you can mess up 1 time without dying a horrible death. can you shoot to card and external over hdmo at the same time?
Just got mine. Coming from an a6500 that I’ve had for 5 years, the a6700 is a giant upgrade for me.
Nice review. I hope canon releases some Rf apsc prime lenses pretty soon.
What about the great small RF prime lenses already available. From about 50mm onwards there is no benefit from restricting the lens to APS-C...
Can you please advise me on the best camera for travelling, shooting video without limits in 30min, stabilizer, excellent portrait photography and street photography? 🙏The best and compact that is on the market, not for making money but for a hobby.
About the budget, I have no limits, but I don't want to overpay for something I don't need. Since one of the needs is to use the camera when travelling, I don't want the camera to be too big and heavy. When travelling I will be photographing architecture in cities, my wife, landscapes and quite a lot of video. I choose between Canon and Sony, so far the choice has stopped on Canon R6 mark2 or Sony 6700.
Thank you all very much in advance
Sony a6700 and Sigma 10-18 and 18-50 f2.8 are suitable for you. I prefer for travel, wider but that's up to you.
I’m not that unique and would buy the APS-C camera for it’s smaller size and weight for travel when I leave my full frame setup at home. For me the large array of small lenses available for Sony E mount is a clear win. I actually own both a Canon EOS R5 and Sony A1 and for the Canon R5 I don’t have a single RF L lens that is nice and small for light travel. With Sony there are many including the full array of Sigma I-Series from 17mm to 90mm that work both on FF and APS-C.
Thank you for your review.
@5:44 main factor reducing details resolved in R7 is its heavy AA filter
Yeah that seems to be the issue
Both are excellent, mostly depends on your glass.
I’ve really enjoyed my a6600 for hiking, travel (International & motorcycle) and landscape photography. Having a light weight kit and compact kit is important to me. After using the a6000, the a6600 was such an improvement. I appreciate the review of many of the improvements to a6700. But am wondering about the weight, so I will look that up as it is a big advantage for what I do. Thanks for the review!!
Interestingly enough the A6700 is slightly lighter than the A6600 but maybe a tad larger.
@@johnnorton5760 Ooooo good to know. I'll have to find a store with it and handle it a bit. Also Arthur R has a great review of it.
Another vlogger showed that the a6700 at 506 g is 9 g (0.3 oz) lighter than the a6600 - body only.
@@panhandlejake6200 Thanks so much!
sony 6700 lost two important modes for travel photo: HDR photo and MFNR (Multi Frame Noise Reduction). Also a6600 better at low light condition than a6700. So a6600 is better for photo and amateur video.
upgrade from a6000?
Atmospheric effect of course will ruin any photos taken by any gears. The mp difference doesn't matter. But you should see the difference between 32 mp and 26 mp when subject is taken up close without the heat simmer.
The lens cost point breaks down when you factor in adapting all the now cheap used EF/EFS glass thats availble. Also with adapted glass you can use the adapters to get a range of effective focal lenghts with 1 lens. I use a basic canon EF to RF adapter, a speed booster and 1.4 EF teleconverter to get 4 effective focal lenghts from one lens. The plain canon adapted lens, speed boosted lens, adapted lens w the TC and the speed boosted lens with the TC.
What is a speed booster?
@TimOHea it's basically the inverse of a teleconverter.
I was able to find a voightlander 40 mm prime with an RF mount and there are plenty of Zeiss primes with EF mounts. Found 1 of each for less than 1 K. Waiting for sales. Haven’t tried on crop sensor but love on FF R8. I think there will be a lot of RF third party primes coming out
Thinking seriously about picking up the a6700 as a second camera since I'm already invested in the Sony ecosystem. But, will never ever use it as my primary go to camera having had multiple card failures in the past, the first of which wiped out a super important shoot prior going to the A7R3.
I have the full frame Sony A7R IV and I'm seriously considering buying g the A6700 as a second body. Reasons: 1- I can use my existing quality full frame glass, unlike Nikon or Canon. 2- The smaller body is ideal for Street Photography and Travel.
I do a lot of event photography, so having these two cameras with me and the A6700 sporting a 16-35mm lens (full frame equivalent of 24-50mm) will be an ideal set up.
Sigma 16-35mm and 50-100mm f/1.8.
You can use Nikon FX glass on a DX body. The 24-70F4S is great on the Z50/Zfc/Z30. Not only that but with the ETZ21 you can mount ANY Sony lens to the Z-mount. I've used the 15mmf1.4G on my Z50 too. I'm getting an a6700 for my f2.8 Tamron zooms. Nikon's Expeed7/8 will narrow the gap.
HUGE shout out to Sony for how much better the color looks compared to the others in this video!
Thanks for this- especially appreciated the comparison to the a6600.
Il be upgrading from the a6600. but I will wait till i see user reviews because ive heard that the camera gets very hot. the i10 bit video sold it to me among other things.
As always, you guys are excellent reviewers with tasteful interplay between the two of you.
Unfortunately, I’ve purchased the Sony a6700. It gets hot far too quickly, and you have to switch it off frequently to cool down. I’ve since discovered that the FX 30, which in many respects is the same camera, has active cooling and the A6700 doesn’t. I think it’s very remiss of Sony to produce, after so many years, a brilliant spec. APSC camera which, in my opinion, is seriously let down by the lack of active cooling. I have owned and used the a6300 for several years, and it has never ever overheated. Is overheating common with Sony full frame cameras? Can you guys suggest any way to remedy this ? which is the best way to get in touch with Sony to complain about it?
Does it overheat while taking photos or video?
@@gilbertpc805 it was showing the overheating message during video shooting at very high quality settings. I returned that camera to the store and they replaced it with a different a6700. This one does get hot but nowhere as much as the first and so far not had a overheating message. Ulanzi are bringing out a cooling fan that sits on the back of the a6700 with suction pads. I’m really impressed with the capability of the camera and will be keeping this replacement. But Sony really should’ve fitted active cooling ie a fan, as they did with the FX30.
Love you guys so much. The reviews are always excellent, both thorough and enjoyable. But I can’t believe you didn’t mention the Fuji options in this battle. The XS-20 might not quite land in the same performance bracket for autofocus, but for everything else it wipes the floor with those two, doesn’t it? Maybe that’s a bit too dramatic, but still… would be good to hear your take on Fuji when it comes to APSC battles. Thanks again for all the quality videos.
true , to me fuji is the way to go if it comes to apsc and it has open gate video also which is very important to me
This or xs20?
No Brainerd a6700