I attended 4 days of the 2-week trial in San Francisco when the band sued Jello. Jello came off SO bad. He looked like a sweatshop owner being caught abusing his workers. Wasn't just me that thought that, the jury thought that and ruled against Jello. DH Peligro was working as a DHL delivery driver during the trial, while Jello withheld royalties, that came out, too. Jello even made a point in trial to try to prove that HE was the mastermind, he wrote all the songs, and the band where just low-value employees who could have been anyone. It looked awful for him. Jello also tried to grandstand and acted like it was one of his spoken word shows, he didn't notice he had a hostile audience. Juries are usually working people who can't get off jury duty, can't afford to be on a jury, and are losing money being there. (At the time, jury duty in San Fran paid 5 dollars a day.) This never should have gone to trial. Jello turned down doing it in arbitration, could have paid out and settled out of court and saved everyone a lot of money, and not ruined his reputation as hard as quickly. But he took it to a jury trial of working people in a city that loves worker's rights, and came off looking like Mister Burns blaming Bart Simpson for getting hit by Mr. Burns' car.
What a disappointment. Not only the legal problems, but the fact the band are still going with only two original members as the "Dead Kennedys". They've basically gone the way of Journey, Foreigner, and The Eagles. On a smaller scale though.
@@brycekube I remember reading about Jello slicing his shirts with razor blades before shows so his shirts would rip apart when the crowd grabbed him .
I lived the same apartment building as DH Peligro in Echo Park, Los Angeles from 2001 until he moved out a few years later. Got to know him a bit, hung out in his apartment and had a few long chats. One thing I learned, that not many people know, is he was functionally illiterate. DH could read, but barely, like 1st grade level. Jello had to know this, being in a band with him. This is relevant because it likely means any contract signed by him should have been unenforceable.
I liked the DK's and they had some true classics. But I rarely listen to them anymore. I had a hard time doing so ever since this dispute broke out. Regardless of who is lying who was trying to pocket money or whatever, the whole shenanigan seemed to betray everything they said they were about. Humans are humans. We do dumb things. But of all the punk rock bands to have something like this transpire. Them? Really? The only similar thing I can think of was Chumbawamba signing with EMI. They had their argument, and I can accept it to a point. But... just from a "branding perspective" (it hurts to use that term in this context, but it is what it is), it was dumb as hell. I think a lot of their fans would have forgiven them for signing with almost any other major label. But EMI? The optics were bad. Humans are humans. We do dumb things.
Jello is a painful human. When he came to my town to play he ranted on stage about a local issue that he clearly had no idea about. This achieved nothing and left him looking like a weird serial activist.
@@jaygatsby5066Of course he has an attraction to ugliness. As a leftist, he has a natural tendency towards advocation of degeneracy, perversion and the like. Look at 80% (at least) of the Alternative Tentacles roster past and present.
He used his position in DK to bully my friend Nyna Crawford out of the SF punk scene. She was a great singer and song writer. If you get a chance listen to the VKTMS early stuff not their new junk; The early singles with Nyna as the singer. They would’ve been a legendary punk band.
@@chrispollard341She was a great song writer. She wrote very personal songs for her own life as well as silly funny stuff. Her best and most famous song to date is what it was like being a White girl walking alone in the streets of San Francisco called 100% White Girl. Look it up. It’s amazing. He and others like him who were movers and shakers I the SF punk scene branded her a Nazi and got her shunned and banned from the scene. Tragic really. She didn’t have much except for a boat load of talent. She was heavily addicted to heroin and lived a hard life which Biafra and those of his ilk mad impossibly harder until her early death.
@@EricOwensFluteWow. That sounds typical of him. It's frankly an early example of his well known anti-white politics; I've always wondered how he feels about Ian MacKaye writing the song "Guilty Of Being White." In retrospect, now I wonder if that was part of the motivation for the (deserved) beatdown he received at 924 Gilman St. in '93. But then, it's also an example of his blatant double standards regarding who he criticizes for alleged racism, sexism and homophobia. When the issue surrounding the Bad Brains incident with the Big Boys in 1983 occurred, I don't recall him uttering a peep about the whole fiasco. And why? Because the Bad Brains are black and we all know jello's extreme hesitation to offer any critique of anyone in "the black community" because he doesn't want to be labeled "RAAACISST!!!!!!!!!!!!" I have looked online, correct me if I'm wrong, but he stayed completely silent on this incident and has throughout the years.
@@chrispollard341 I was just going to suggest Tome do a video on how Jello and MRR basically invent the Nazi punk/skinhead scene in America by pointing the finger at a bogeyman that literally didn't exist yet. Anyone who's read the first ten or so issues of MRR will know what I'm talking about.
I wrote a detailed comment about attending the trial in SF where the band sued Jello, and how bad Jello came off. My comment is gone now. Did this channel delete it, or did RUclips? Can't imagine why either would.
@@PunkTome Thanks. Maybe I'll try again and make it shorter, or a couple shorter ones. Though RUclips does have a secret unpublished list of words that just get posts removed. Channels can add their own too. But since it wasn't you, I can't fathom what word I used that got RUclips triggered.
@@jonnytlong Thanks. Those are the ones I re-wrote from memory after the first longer one that had both topics in one comment vanished. I think I figured out what it was. In the vanished comment I included the street address of the apartment. Just trying to be detailed, but I bet RUclips thought it was doxing. (certainly not him at this point, and certainly not me.) If you ever interview London from Samhain, ask him about what I said about DH and contracts. London knew DH and they were friends. Hell, ask Jello about it.
I would love to see you next do a video specifically on jello regarding the numerous 180s he has done with regards to his past stances and statements and essentially turned his back on his integrity and common sense. He is now part of the establishment left that pushes their woke ideologies on the rest of us.
Most yank punk bands are posers, they supposed to hate capitalism but if the opportunity presents itself they jump on it with no regard to thier alleged principles SIDE NOTE: Jello is one of the biggest posers that ever lived just like Mr Corporate hinself 'Henry Rollins'
Because it shifted. There is nothing rebellious left in "punk" really. Same side as the establishment nowdays. Useful idiots of the New World Order. Only "anti" left is anti-reason.
Idk if this counts but Agnostic Front had litigation but it more about an injury to a concert goer, but anyway I don't think its a left or right thing I think its just a musician main character syndrome thing
It's sad that one of the most influential band has to go through all this BS for greedy issues that go against what they preach. Now, DK has become from influential to a nostalgia band
It’s an angled jack & the pedal next to it (Line 6 DL4) has its output on the top. You can see the cable going between them just not the beginning or end of it. And he’s going into the DL4 first then the blue Boss compressor pedal as guitar pedals run right to left.
When I heard what he did to his band mates. I couldn’t continue to listen to em. I mean he Fk’d over his mates. However I wasn’t there so idk. I mean that got good stuff man. He had some crazy ideas when talking about try to run for major in SF but I didn’t read into it much.
Jello never stopped thinking that part of the punk rebellion was a continuation of the protests of the 1960s. He's right, as that is the American context. Now the n*zi punks can wallow in the mud of republican trash and think they are the rebellion.
I just saw them a few weeks ago. They were great. It sucks they fight like a divorced couple bringing up shit from thirty years ago. Ron Greer is like the cool stepdad. He does his best but it should be Jello and they should be releasing new music.
![BLACK BAG - Official Trailer [HD] - Only in Theaters March 14](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Du0Xp8WX_7I/mqdefault.jpg)
I attended 4 days of the 2-week trial in San Francisco when the band sued Jello. Jello came off SO bad. He looked like a sweatshop owner being caught abusing his workers. Wasn't just me that thought that, the jury thought that and ruled against Jello. DH Peligro was working as a DHL delivery driver during the trial, while Jello withheld royalties, that came out, too.
Jello even made a point in trial to try to prove that HE was the mastermind, he wrote all the songs, and the band where just low-value employees who could have been anyone. It looked awful for him. Jello also tried to grandstand and acted like it was one of his spoken word shows, he didn't notice he had a hostile audience.
Juries are usually working people who can't get off jury duty, can't afford to be on a jury, and are losing money being there. (At the time, jury duty in San Fran paid 5 dollars a day.)
This never should have gone to trial. Jello turned down doing it in arbitration, could have paid out and settled out of court and saved everyone a lot of money, and not ruined his reputation as hard as quickly.
But he took it to a jury trial of working people in a city that loves worker's rights, and came off looking like Mister Burns blaming Bart Simpson for getting hit by Mr. Burns' car.
I loved that band in my early teens..........but must admit Biafra makes me cringe everytime I see him
@@realsinisterminister And hear him.
Thanks. I was never really clear about what went on.
I believe that 100% - Sometimes he's full of himself 0 DK's music is 65% BS (in my opinion) - The other tunes are fkin great
I'm glad I saw DK with D H before his sad passing .
Same, 1982 or 83. Still the best gig have ever been to.
what Jello did goes against the entire message of most of his music in dk what a sham lol
What a disappointment. Not only the legal problems, but the fact the band are still going with only two original members as the "Dead Kennedys". They've basically gone the way of Journey, Foreigner, and The Eagles. On a smaller scale though.
So sad. Fkn sucks
Well, Too Drunk to Fuck is still a great song and Holiday in Cambodia still one of the best intro’s ever!!
And they're the ones who were scared of the hardcore kids
@@brycekube I remember reading about Jello slicing his shirts with razor blades before shows so his shirts would rip apart when the crowd grabbed him .
DH was not an original member
Jello wants to seem so righteous but is a corporate greedy man skimming from his friends
❤
Nice to see in the comments section that people are finally beginning to see jello for who he really is.
I lived the same apartment building as DH Peligro in Echo Park, Los Angeles from 2001 until he moved out a few years later. Got to know him a bit, hung out in his apartment and had a few long chats.
One thing I learned, that not many people know, is he was functionally illiterate. DH could read, but barely, like 1st grade level. Jello had to know this, being in a band with him.
This is relevant because it likely means any contract signed by him should have been unenforceable.
Rip to your friend
They're one of my favorite punk bands of all time. Love the video and thank you!!-
Me and a friend got so drunk one day that we heckled jello at one his spoken word shows
Omg I wish I would’ve been there
R.I.P. Peligro
You make some of the best music related videos on RUclips. Thank you.
Biafra is the Ginn of this band…
Biafra flirts/gets touchy with his underage fans?
@@cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245For all we know, probably.
I liked the DK's and they had some true classics. But I rarely listen to them anymore. I had a hard time doing so ever since this dispute broke out. Regardless of who is lying who was trying to pocket money or whatever, the whole shenanigan seemed to betray everything they said they were about. Humans are humans. We do dumb things. But of all the punk rock bands to have something like this transpire. Them? Really?
The only similar thing I can think of was Chumbawamba signing with EMI. They had their argument, and I can accept it to a point. But... just from a "branding perspective" (it hurts to use that term in this context, but it is what it is), it was dumb as hell. I think a lot of their fans would have forgiven them for signing with almost any other major label. But EMI? The optics were bad.
Humans are humans. We do dumb things.
"It's all about the Benjamins babe..."
The interviewer at the 7 minute mark talking to East Bay Ray is Dave Lawrence of Hawaii Public Radio.
Sick channel, had to subscribe! Love the stories and the footage is wicked, chEErs!
wicked wicked
The only punks who haven't tarnished their own integrity were the ones that were drug addicts. Mostly because all their dignity has bottomed out.
Money brings out the worst in people...
Jello is a painful human. When he came to my town to play he ranted on stage about a local issue that he clearly had no idea about. This achieved nothing and left him looking like a weird serial activist.
I believe that
He was brilliant in Dead Kennedys & Lard but poison idea Said Record Collectors are pretentious assholes. Maybe it’s a statistical fact haha
@@jaygatsby5066Of course he has an attraction to ugliness. As a leftist, he has a natural tendency towards advocation of degeneracy, perversion and the like. Look at 80% (at least) of the Alternative Tentacles roster past and present.
@jaygatsby5066
Biafra, a provocateur??....well I never.....thanks for pointing that out..
let’s be honest. whether he admits it or not, Jello loves going to court. always has
He used his position in DK to bully my friend Nyna Crawford out of the SF punk scene. She was a great singer and song writer. If you get a chance listen to the VKTMS early stuff not their new junk; The early singles with Nyna as the singer. They would’ve been a legendary punk band.
Really? What was the reason for his disliking towards her?
@@chrispollard341She was a great song writer. She wrote very personal songs for her own life as well as silly funny stuff. Her best and most famous song to date is what it was like being a White girl walking alone in the streets of San Francisco called 100% White Girl. Look it up. It’s amazing. He and others like him who were movers and shakers I the SF punk scene branded her a Nazi and got her shunned and banned from the scene. Tragic really. She didn’t have much except for a boat load of talent. She was heavily addicted to heroin and lived a hard life which Biafra and those of his ilk mad impossibly harder until her early death.
@@EricOwensFluteWow. That sounds typical of him. It's frankly an early example of his well known anti-white politics; I've always wondered how he feels about Ian MacKaye writing the song "Guilty Of Being White." In retrospect, now I wonder if that was part of the motivation for the (deserved) beatdown he received at 924 Gilman St. in '93.
But then, it's also an example of his blatant double standards regarding who he criticizes for alleged racism, sexism and homophobia. When the issue surrounding the Bad Brains incident with the Big Boys in 1983 occurred, I don't recall him uttering a peep about the whole fiasco. And why? Because the Bad Brains are black and we all know jello's extreme hesitation to offer any critique of anyone in "the black community" because he doesn't want to be labeled "RAAACISST!!!!!!!!!!!!" I have looked online, correct me if I'm wrong, but he stayed completely silent on this incident and has throughout the years.
@@chrispollard341 I was just going to suggest Tome do a video on how Jello and MRR basically invent the Nazi punk/skinhead scene in America by pointing the finger at a bogeyman that literally didn't exist yet. Anyone who's read the first ten or so issues of MRR will know what I'm talking about.
get jabbed jello. Government flu jabbed. What a debacle.
Bet jello is triple boosted in San Francisco
“Government flu” didn’t do enough 🤦♂️
Maga 'punks', maga 'punks', maga 'punks'... You can finish it.
@@timbrownhill7272Commie punx, Commie punx, Commie punx,.....
You telling me he was telling people to get the jabbawacker?? Noway noway..
I wrote a detailed comment about attending the trial in SF where the band sued Jello, and how bad Jello came off. My comment is gone now. Did this channel delete it, or did RUclips? Can't imagine why either would.
It never came through. I'm sorry about that, but it wasn't me
@@PunkTome Thanks. Maybe I'll try again and make it shorter, or a couple shorter ones. Though RUclips does have a secret unpublished list of words that just get posts removed. Channels can add their own too. But since it wasn't you, I can't fathom what word I used that got RUclips triggered.
It’s on here. Also the other one about you living in the same apartment complex as DH is on here
@@jonnytlong Thanks. Those are the ones I re-wrote from memory after the first longer one that had both topics in one comment vanished.
I think I figured out what it was. In the vanished comment I included the street address of the apartment. Just trying to be detailed, but I bet RUclips thought it was doxing. (certainly not him at this point, and certainly not me.)
If you ever interview London from Samhain, ask him about what I said about DH and contracts. London knew DH and they were friends. Hell, ask Jello about it.
anyone know what the first show was at in this clip? (Buzzbomb)
Sorry but after watching everyone winge I'm still in the no jello no DK mentality 😂
womp womp
glad to hear your voice again
I would love to see you next do a video specifically on jello regarding the numerous 180s he has done with regards to his past stances and statements and essentially turned his back on his integrity and common sense. He is now part of the establishment left that pushes their woke ideologies on the rest of us.
He blamed Hamas for the IDF attacks on Gaza on his podcast. What a horrible take…
Jewllo
I was all in till you said "woke ideologies "....wff does it mean??
Great to hear both sides.
Decent band but you don’t have the scratch the surface too much to see the hypocrisy in this type of mentality.
CIA asset like much if the "counter culture"
“In the city is it true that if you don’t you act like you do?”
Never could enjoy these guys because i had a strong dislike of the vocal sounds. Seeing this reminded me of this. Thank you
Most yank punk bands are posers, they supposed to hate capitalism but if the opportunity presents itself they jump on it with no regard to thier alleged principles
SIDE NOTE:
Jello is one of the biggest posers that ever lived just like Mr Corporate hinself 'Henry Rollins'
Why didn’t DK just hire Gary cherone as lead singer
Left wing bands are always the most litigious. You never hear about guys in RAC bands suing each other or even the people bootlegging their albums.
Because it shifted. There is nothing rebellious left in "punk" really. Same side as the establishment nowdays. Useful idiots of the New World Order.
Only "anti" left is anti-reason.
RAC?
@@ottoacid1800 because nowadays punk is just part of the establishment. Same side. Useful idiots of the New World Order.
Idk if this counts but Agnostic Front had litigation but it more about an injury to a concert goer, but anyway I don't think its a left or right thing I think its just a musician main character syndrome thing
You read the comment and discover more about the commenter than about the subject being commented on. RAC?
It's sad that one of the most influential band has to go through all this BS for greedy issues that go against what they preach. Now, DK has become from influential to a nostalgia band
These holier than thou types always able to see the wrong in everything are all this way
You did not pay your band. I'm sure you paid YOU though, mister lead singer.
Great band. Even if they could reunite it would be horrible. These dudes are almost 80 years old and Klaus really doesn’t sound great on bass anymore.
Jello was a grifter before Jello even knew he himself was a grifter
12:38 - I dont understand what that pedal is doing...... theres an output but no input....
It’s an angled jack & the pedal next to it (Line 6 DL4) has its output on the top. You can see the cable going between them just not the beginning or end of it. And he’s going into the DL4 first then the blue Boss compressor pedal as guitar pedals run right to left.
Only saw them once in Blackpool in 2004 I think unfortunately Jello wasn't with them by then still good though.
Sounds like they became a greedy corporation like the ones they were singing about 😂 oh the irony 😂
and the fans pay the price.
Well the pistols are playing without rotten so good look to them
Yeah, and they're really nothing more than a karaoke band at this point.
Jabbed establisment caricatures.
When I heard what he did to his band mates. I couldn’t continue to listen to em. I mean he Fk’d over his mates. However I wasn’t there so idk. I mean that got good stuff man.
He had some crazy ideas when talking about try to run for major in SF but I didn’t read into it much.
Hippies
Yes. If you think about it , most punks are really just hippies dressed differently.
@@bootchop88 absolutely not. Hippies and artists are parasites on the scene
Exactly
Jello never stopped thinking that part of the punk rebellion was a continuation of the protests of the 1960s. He's right, as that is the American context. Now the n*zi punks can wallow in the mud of republican trash and think they are the rebellion.
Typical anti-capitalists… highly capitalist.
I just saw them a few weeks ago. They were great. It sucks they fight like a divorced couple bringing up shit from thirty years ago. Ron Greer is like the cool stepdad. He does his best but it should be Jello and they should be releasing new music.
A familiar face I wasn't expecting to see here.
@@Canis_Fatalis wherever two or more gather in the name up punk I will be there my child.
How many more times will my comments be deleted?
42
@@mythmaker1648 cancelling is as gay as the punk scene nowadays.
@@stefanosnautikos3463punk was always gay
No Fucking Way !
Anti establishment? 😆 More like anti Marxist. Get real
11:00 Moon Over Marin
Ive always felt like i was the only one who could never stand DK
Sellouts ✖️
I would have seen them with Brandon.
I saw them with Brandon . That version sucked too .
Eh, the dead Kennedy's are a fairly mediocre punk band to me.
T.b.h I fuckin' hate Jello. But to each their own.
Long live Israel!