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What about The Misunderstood? 1965's Children Of The Sun:ruclips.net/video/mrRImjZlD38/видео.html And for anybody's information John Peel managed them in 1966, but ill fortune avoided them becoming massive for their innovative sound.
they might be minor quibbles but The Nuns were starting around '74 on the US west coast and became one fo the main bands in that scene also Cock Sparrer started in the mid 70s as a pub rock band and didn't really hit at that point... they grew a following in the early 80s... but have become punk legends in the last 25 years....
Completely overlooked Canada's contribution to proto punk. Yes we had some bands who's influence spread beyond our border and helped shape the American rock, punk, hardcore and alternative scenes to follow. See my comment below.
Great, classic tune. My personal Sex Pistols fave is perhaps "Problems," That sucker still rages hard. I've been playing guitar for 30 years and still thoroughly enjoy jamming along with "Bollocks."
Thanks for including one band from my country, Los Saicos. Unfortunately, they didn't receive the fame and recognition they deserved, but they are at least known abroad.
@@clvrswine If you consider them "suspect" at all, then you have to consider most, if not all, of the 60's "Garage Rock" bands as suspect. The Saicos were just playing what they considered Rock at the time, the term Punk would never have entered their mind. It was non-existant in any way at the time other than a theoretical attitude. So maybe in that regard ie: DIY and not caring what others thought, they could be regarded as "Punk".
@@williamz7011 The Cramps were the missing link between Elvis 1956 and Iggy Pop. I saw them several times in the early 1980s. Their performance at Hammersmith, London 1984 has to be the most demented gig I have attended!
Yeah, good to see The Cramps given a few seconds. Saw them three times at First Avenue in Minneapolis, always a don't-miss show. Lux Interior always stipulated they played rock 'n' roll, and that there was a difference between that and "rock music/rock bands." He was right. If it's not primal, it's not rock 'n' roll.
As a person who lived through the 70’s, this is the best historical compilation of all the influences which came together to create punk, which I’ve ever seen. Fantastically well done!
Also, as a guitar player, I learned something too. I never knew that Link Wray took a razor blade to the speakers in his guitar cabinets. I thought The Kinks were the first artist to do such a thing. Bravo!…great video.
This is comprehensive but far from definitive. The decision to throw in every single influence possible needs to be narrowed down in favor of something closer to the heart of punk.
so what was the first uk punk single? got a bit confused between the australian dudes, the damned and anarchy in uk, it sounded to me as if he described the three band singles like the first uk punk single, I mean each time he metions those bands single releases he says " and this was the first uk punk single" so whats the proper order?
I think this video needs its own sequel "After 1976" showing what punk became and how it ramified. There is no genre like punk music, and I think your ending really encapsulated that. Above all, punk was and still is a life attitude. The fact that nowadays we have so many subgenera. From the Irish style punk mixing traditional Celtic songs and instruments to the west coast, communitarian surfer attitude of certain hardcore bands like Pennywise, and the ska/skinhed culture of British youngsters finely portrayed in Shane Meadows' This is England. Man, you really gotta make one of your video essays about the aftermath of early punk music.
I love Pennywise but when I think of hardcore I think of Earth Crisis, Gorilla Biscuits, Botch Dropdead, and the like. For that Irish "Flogging Molly/Dropkick Murphy" fix check out Real McKenzies For ska.. um damn I guess Ape Army or Looking Up (from Belgium)
Well, to get somewhat of an idea what punk became after the 70's and beyond, I would believe that The Saints influenced later on Green Day. The vocalist in that band alone sounds like what would be Billy Joe Armstrong
On Joy Division's Still album, they have a live cover of Velvet Underground's Sister Ray and at the end Ian Curtis jokes "You should hear our version of Louie Louie". I suspect Joy Division never played Louie Louie, but it does indicate how important and influential that track still was as late as 1980.
If you watch the biopic of Factory Records / Tony Wilson "24 Hour Party People" (highly recommend as genuinely well written film) they do show a fictionalized account if Joy Division playing "Louie Louie"
about a year ago on twitter peter hook and a few others did a live 'listen-along' Q&A to the Still album and when sister ray came up i asked him if they actually did play the song or if it was just ian being funny, and he said they apparently did at least once! i'd kill to hear a recording of it but i wonder if one even exists
My husband’s favourite punk record? The Saints ‘Stranded’… Mine, Johnny Thunders ‘Little London Boys’… but then we’re Welsh… 😆 However , gotta LOVE the Sex Pistols… anyone at Screen on the Green? Never get tired of listening to my husband’s early punk experiences and tales! Excellent video. Shall share 🙏🏾✌🏾❣️
Oh, The Saints are known well here by the groovy, the righteous and all the good motherfuckers. Also still remember almost coming a little when I found my copy of Radios Appear in shop in 1985-ish. Walked outta the store w that, Iron Fist. Overkill, and Only Theatre Of Pain under my arm, all for $10 perhaps. Sigh
The UK has such a staggering legacy of great musical innovation, it's great when there's no need to perpetuate some frivolous old rivalry. If one is from the UK or USA (like me) we're just lucky to be born into the legacy of two nations that have together almost exclusively defined pop culture for over 100 years. Here's to many more years of great music from wherever in the world artists have the urge to start something.
Flammin' Groovies are definitely one of the most underrated bands in rock history! They weren't interested in the peace and love scene that was going on in San Francisco. They wanted to sound like Chuck Berry and Little Richard, with a little bit on an edge like The Rolling Stones. And it was actually awesome! At the same time when punk was beginning to become more popular, Shake Some Action was released. It sounded very British Invasion influenced, but it was awesome! And they're one of my top 3 power pop bands of all time!
@@leahflower9924 The Monks, The Standells, the Trashmen, the Sonics, Them, the Seeds, Chad Allen & The Expressions (The Guess Who), The Music Machine, the 13th Floor Elevators, the Rivieras, Los Saicos, Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs, Love, Tommy James and the Shondells, the Squires (Connecticut), the Easybeats, ? And The Mysterians, the Shadows Of Knight, The Remains, Count Five, The Blues Magoos, the Boxtops, The Electric Prunes, The Chocolate Watchband, The Rising Storm, and Nazz among many many more beginning with probably The Fabulous Wailers from Tacoma, Washington in 1959.
So glad you revisited and expanded on this one. Thanks for all your effort. "...mass unemployment, strikes, rioting, ineffective government, and perhaps worst of all Emerson, Lake & Palmer." ...still grinning over that comment.
Another thing to mention about David Bowie’s contribution is that him and Brian Eno were pioneers to post-punk with Low. A lot of post-punk bands like Joy Division and Bauhaus were inspired by that album and you can hear so many similarities to Low and future post-punk bands. Not just post-punk but post-rock as well.
I click on the video and immediately leave a like. To me, this is the best RUclips channel ever. It talks about one of my favorite things in the world - MUSIC - with so much knowledge and reverence. Really, thank you for doing this. You’re making the world a better (or, at least, a less shittier) place.
@@Syfoll it isn't really journalism, but hey ho. Musicology is opinion and critically motivated reportage. How many you listened to, then, or is this comment terrible journalism, motivated by personal disagreement, rather than actual research? 🤔 Serious question.
@@aidyshaw7711 I dislike this channel because they provide extremely surface level information, that in many many cases is also flat out wrong. I know more than them about many of the subjects they write about, so I can fact check them. Also, and this is an opinion, I dislike their approach as a whole. It seems that they just regurgitate general opinions, without ever nailing down on any specific point. It isn't wrong to be brief, and to operate with surface level information, but I find that good surface level observation tends to be seen as appropriate by the people who know more about the subject, band, or genre that they might refer to. I find most of their observations to fail in this regard. I wouldn't normally dismiss a channel so hard, but seeing someone like the OP, who showered them with praise, made me kinda angry, since I don't think they are worthy of such praise.
Pretty sure punk before 76 was the first video of yours I watched, this revisit is incredible. It's so fascinating to hear the influence these bands had.
You’ve some work to do ! haha , fun work ... Radio Birdman is worth knowing . All of this of course ... one of the best I’ve seen . Alex Harvey should’ve been in there but where does it end ? Well done
🏁🏁🏁For those of you scrolling to get a vibe if this video is worth your time... This documentary is absolute 💯 perfection. This was so concise and to the point yet not too fast for the viewer to lose any information while maintaining objectivity throughout. I loved this. The significance of every band and solo artist presented here is remarkable. This was not just entertaining, this was very educational and for so many different reasons. Going to watch again. Thank you and God bless you a million times for posting this for us. 💖
".......and perhaps worst of all, Emerson, Lake and Palmer" leaves us in no doubt where your feelings lie. A beautiful line. ELP were just one of many culprits whose careers suddenly hit the brick wall of irrelevancy. It was a siesmic shift in interest by consumers who, to their credit, just moved with the times. There wasn't a new legion of punk consumers. They were the same pre punk consumers who saw value and quality in new music and fashion, happy to shed dying trends. It was an easy change to make. The art of simple song writing was rediscovered by the punk era bands. If you lived through that time you knew the old bands played boring self indulgent solos that only technical oriented musicians appreciated. The legacy of simple song writing, rediscovered by punk, has endured to this day, and that is incredible.
One Protopunk band I think gets often overlooked (don't blame anyone for doing so though, since they are German and sang in German about German issues) is Ton Steine Scherben. They started in 1970, shortly after came to fame when they asked their fans to smash up the venue of a gig where the venue managers took off without paying the band; the fans subsequently went on to set the stage on fire while the band played on of their biggest hits "Macht kaputt was euch kaputt macht" (Break what breaks you). They released possibly the greatest German album of all time, "Keine Macht für Niemand" (No Power to No One), in 1972. While musically, especially their later work might be considered a bit too complex for being Punk, their earlier songs and especially the bands attitude very much are. For a decade, the band was basically inseperable from the leftist movement in Germany, some of their gigs ended in squatting nearby buildings. Their influence still reaches until today not only in German punk, but rock in general, and even into other genres such as German Rap. I fully believe that the only reason they are not usually consideres a punk band is the simple fact that punk just did not exist at their peak, otherwise they would probably be considered one of *the* greatest punk bands of all time. In Germany that is, as mentioned before, much of their music does not translate well: still, I recommend everyone interested in punk music to look some of it up, it's brilliant music.
this is awesome & so rich. I would add 'helter skelter' by the Beatles as McCartney's attempt to outdo The Who's claim to the hardest song until then (I can see for miles). Even the Pistols were into that song, and the Banshees covered it. thanx heaps for this goldmining!
Three words: "I Gotta Right" by The Stooges. It was recorded in 1972 but was deemed so extreme, the record label wouldn't release it at the time. It was issued in 1977. The roots of Punk and speed metal start here. No group at the time was playing so fast, and that includes Deep Purple and Led Zep.
@@nrom6972 I saw The Stooges twice, with Ron and then James. They were in another league entirely. Also saw The Sex Pistols in late 1976, they were superb.
@@leahflower9924 I also saw The Clash a few months earlier, and they were excellent. I got to speak to Joe Strummer before they went onstage. He was polite and good-natured. The Pistols with original bassist Glenn Matlock were fantastic.
Amazing video. I was a UK punk in the 70's and really had no idea of the history of the music. This is s stunning piece of music history .Thanks so much!!❤❤👍👍
I was listening to punk in the 1970s. A freind bought the Damneds New Rose in 1976, that was it. But it wasn't till later, actually much later I learned more aboyt the history and links. But a lit of those proto punk bands I'd listened to early on, before I heard tye Damned. Once I vegan reading the history, especially some of the glam stuff it all made sense.
Thank you for The Saints mention. I think they were in London in 1976, printed 200 copies of single "I'm Stranded" and Malcolm McLaren got the Sex Pistols into the studio when he heard it on the radio, or so the story goes..... Chris Bailey was a genius.
Ed Kuepper more so than Chris, especially when you look at their respective catalogs following their split. Laughing Clowns and Ed’s solo work is streets ahead of post 1978 Saints
The Canterbury British prog scene, from the early 70s, had some razor sharp punk influences like. Daevid Allen's Gong "Camembert Electronique" with 'You Can't Kill Me" and His solo Album "Stoned Innocent Frankenstein"s "All I Want is Out of Here" and Robert Wyatt's "Ruth is Stranger Than Richard". Give them a listen.
Even if the music of the Punk era did not interest, this documentary is so associated with almost all other musical abilities it is a great standard history of the Punk movement and it's musical history. Thanks for this, I actually found so many bands here that I did not even class as Punk owing to just hearing one track and liking it, such as Golden Brown by the Stranglers, that I still listen to and love, that anyone interested in music cannot miss.
I read this great article once where the writer went into this long spiel about how the Sex Pistols became The Sex Pistols with their recording of Johnny B Goode /Roadrunner. It was all about the deconstruction of what had gone before and how the embracing of Roadrunner was the means by which they crawled from the wreckage of all that old stuff they had just kicked all over the place.He even narrows it down to Paul Cooks cymbal crash at 5.15 as the moment the smoke cleared and they began their climb up the mountain.....I know,it sounds like a load of pretentious guff but when I read it then listened to the 2 songs,it made perfect sense.If I ever find the article I'll forward it to you...hhahahaahhaa....(bet you can't wait.)
As an Aussie I'm very happy that The Saints & Radio Birdman got a mention - we were seeing these bands before we even heard about the overseas punk thing!
You're a treasure. What I appreciate the most is your dive into the deepest roots of musical Americana to give an accurate evolution of a genre. You'd be surprised at how many young people think that their generation's subgenres are original inventions.
This is a really interesting reflection on the true ancestry of Punk, as usual meticulously researched and showing genuine understanding of what was going on at the time. Love this channel.
Great job! Thank you for including Los saicos, they were such a great band. This was the first punk documentary in a while that actually taught me something new.
I’ve watched this video three times. I have several of these songs in my library, simply because I love them. I didn’t realize until watching this video how prolific the stages of punk are. Somehow I’ve I’ve kept up with the progression of punk without even knowing. This really resonates with me, so thank you! Great job on the video.
The Pistols were the first live band I ever saw. They played my little seaside town in the North of England in '77. I was only 8 years old & obviously was not allowed to go but the venue was only a couple of hundred yards down the road & my older cousin was going with all his friends so I was like 'if they're going I'm going'. So I sneaked out & tagged along. The guy on the door thought it was hilarious so he let me in. I went home covered in beer, other peoples' phlegm & god knows what else but I had a great time. It was so loud that I had a ringing in my ears for a week & it took me that long to be able to sit down again after the whooping I took from my dad, who was waiting for me slipper in hand when I climbed back in through my bedroom window lol. Still, it was a special night that I'll never forget & well worth the pain. Ah, good times, good times.
honestly it's amazing how fresh Anarchy in the UK sounds at the end of this video after all the raunchiest hardscrabble, shoutiest knarliest sounds in rock history
This is brilliant! As others have already said... this is the best documentary of the influences on punk rock I have seen. Great to see Northern Ireland's Stiff Little Fingers included. As a punk rocker in the late 70's I regularly frequented The Harp Bar in Belfast.. which would have been Belfast's equivalent to CBGB's. This was at the height of 'the troubles' in Northern Ireland and punk rock music united both Catholics and Protestants and was escapism from the daily atrocities going on around us. Thank you for this great documentary.
As a NorCal girl I've got to mention San Francisco's The Dead Kennedys. I lived in London as a teen in the summer of '78, and sought out college radio here when I got back. They are the local punk band I found when I tuned in.
@@vanderlayindustrys Because they formed in 1978, already two years after Punk got its denomination. This video is all about the influences to what made Punk a genre leading up to its 1976 breakthrough.
Good to see The Saints mentioned. If you can get a hold of the Dogs In Space DVD there's a brilliant documentary in the extras of Melbourn's punk scene in the 70s. Today The Chats keep punk alive and relevant down under.
The Chats are great...picked up their 'Get F*cked' lp a few weeks ago. Hoping to see them supporting Queens Of The Stone Age here in Scotland in November.
I learned about some of this early stuff from the Cramps. I never realized how many songs on their greatest hits were redone covers from earlier garage rock bands. Green Fuz by Randy Alvey and the Green Fuz was one of my favorite discoveries off that album. Lux and Ivy must have an amazing rockabilly/garage collection. Also didn't realize that Rollin's Band song "Do It" was a cover.
Compilations of Lux n Ivys rock n roll/rockabilly record collection are out there in number. inc releases Fast Jivin Class Cutters , Trick or Treat, Records Records Records my faves. You cant go wrong..
Do It is what got me into Rollins Band , fantastic cover . Those ‘89-‘95ish shows that I saw were pretty much the best at the time , incredible. I love covers , a great introduction to a band when it’s right . Prong covering Get A Grip was another at the time that got me to dig further , Cleansing that album , tour & show 10/10 ! So much music ... Saw The Cramps 3X early mid 80’s , awesome and so much fun . Toronto’s Concert Hall ‘79 > ‘90’s was my epicentre, an hour drive and a buzz that lasted ... years ! haha
@@daevidharvey7113 Do It was a favorite of mine in high school. didn't know it was a cover for almost 10 years. i was never a fan of Prong but i had a copy of the Prove You Wrong EP i got in a dollar bin with Get a Grip (harm mix) and thought it was a great cover. The song that i didn't realize was a cover for the longest period of time would be the Circle Jerks' Wild In The Streets. blew my mind when i found out.
The Hawks were big favorites of Joy Division, Sex Pistols, and Killing Joke. They were the first group I ever saw in February 1975, and they were fabulous.
I only stumbled upon this series recently and clearly Trash Theory is doing for modern day music history devotees what Pete Frame's Rock Family Trees and Terry Hounsome's New Rock Record did for my generation's seekers of the magic connections. Bravo sir !
Your narration, narrative, and knowledge of the subject matter is extraordinary. Your editing, research and creativity mark you as the best in the business. Thank you for such engrossing content.
My mother loved to put on punk music and turn the volume up really really loud while she would beat me with a stick. She was a natural drummer that woman. Now when ever I hear punk music it just brings tears to my eyes and I feel all warm and tingly.
I freaking lived the first incarnation of this video, and the expansion of the 50s and 60s stuff is mind-blowing. Glad to see krautrock and pub rock getting more of a shout as well. There's this disingenuous argument that punk originated in the USA (arguably true) and hence was the sole and direct inspiration for UK punk, but arguably Britain had its own garage scene in pub rock and a template for rockstardom in Bowie. Great stuff.
There were thousands of Garage Rock bands of the 60s throughout the world. In 1998, a four CD box set of 'Nuggets' was released. It featured the Sonics, Monks, Love, Barbarians, and Radiers. The MC5 later signed on to Atlantic records, recording and releasing two more Lp's. The Magic band had a second Lp; "Strictly Personal." There was also the Shaggs, Edgard Broughton, and the Deviants.
Me enteré de la muerte de Johnny Cash en pleno concierto de Iggy Pop pues él mismo dió la mala noticia nada más subir al escenario. Fue un momento triste ... después The Stooges estallaron en un concierto inolvidable.
Missing from this list are Eno songs like Third Uncle from the 1974 album Tigermountain. Eno skipped right by punk and landed beyond, on new wave territory way ahead of its time.
Very cool. In addition to ELP, Joey Ramone (I think) mentioned Kansas as one of the over-refined, over-produced, over-musicianship bands that were kiliing the essence of R&R and so needed to be rebelled against. Your video also made me wonder about the influence of Punk on Rap, especially Gangsta Rap. ---- As a musician trying to make it in the 70's, I didn't really get Punk. Thanks for helping me!!
Rap may not sound like Punk, but the ethos is the same: Don't have the proper resources? Do it anyway! Cheapo drum box, else vocal beatboxing, rap it out... RunDMC and Beasties were the sonic crossovers there, while rapping itself may link back to the reggae sound-hall toasters.
Some of my favorite bands after understanding Punk were DEVO,Clash , Elvis Costello, Iggy Pop,Sex pistols, Ramones and the New York dolls are some ,but the Stones had me ready . Satisfaction and even more defiant Get off my Cloud. The Who definitely helped also. 😎
Thankfully I have discovered your podcast Channel. Not only is the subject matter to my liking but there is a part of my work day where I have to sit and do what I call busy work that will drive you absolutely batshit crazy if you don't distract yourself. Fortunately, I am unable to put the earbuds on and just listen to whatever I want and your podcasts have saved me from going absolutely crazy. Keep up the good work
I really loved the video! I found it very informative and well done! Although I wished you talked about 60s Girl Groups because they had a profound influence on the punk movement. Bands like the New York Dolls, The Dammed, Blondie, The Ramones, etc. made various references to them in songs such as “New Rose” and “Looking for a Kiss.” For the most part groups always cited them as a major influence, not only in music but also in fashion and attitude. For instance, The Ronettes and The Shangri-Las’ “band girl” appearance and point of view.
I really loved this video the first time it came around, and somehow you topped my love for the original video. Amazing video, as an aspiring "Punk Historian" this video blew my mind with so many things that I didn't know beforehand. Thank you for making my day!
The best documentary I have seen about pUNK and where it came from. In depth research has gone on here, brilliant editing. You got a massive amount of info into less than an hour. Had me sitting on the edge of my comfy arm chair. Good on you!
Gives me faith in this video knowin that you are also citing Little Richard as an influence. I first was into 50s rockabilly, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis before I was into NWOBH and that, before I was into the American “Big 4”.
I'm glad the Stranglers got a mention, albeit briefly-some of the artists mentioned here were influenced into forming bands through attending their early gigs.
I think the DC5's should be on the list. Not only were they a garage band but many punk/rock artists covered their songs. I took a friend and his wife to see the DC5's lead vocalist Mike Smith live and his wife really got into him. On the way home I asked her why she liked it so much because given her age, I doubt if she ever had heard of him. She replied that it was cool that an old guy would sing punk. I explained to her that songs like "Glad all Over" and "Anyway You Want It" were the songs his former group were famous for.
This is easily my favorite episide you've done so far to date, i really like what and how you covered not just in this one, though, and I really do enjoy all of your work that you've submitted so far. But I really really want to see a more in-depth video on U.S. and British psychedelic rock from around '66 to like '72 or so. Would love that! Great work. Love your channel you do awesome content its among my favorite on RUclips. Thank you.
I came to work in Manhattan in 1979. By then, the Punk/New Wave scene was in full swing. I went EVERY weekend to the East or West Village clubs, GBGBS in The Bowery, or to The RItz to see The Kings. At The Palladium that November, I saw Wendy O. Williams get nude with chain saws, sledge hammers and shot guns on stage. She blew up her FIRST car that night. An old Caddy. I was in the 7th row. It was epic. Plasmatics!! I found everything about that era energizing. I was SO LUCKY to have experienced some of it first hand. So glad I missed Studio 54 and the Disco Era.
That was fantastic. I'd be hard pressed to think of a better documentary covering the whole proto punk era. You did an amazing job and covered way more than I was expecting. The first piece of music I ever "bought" for myself was a cassette tape of Never Mind The Bullocks from a pawnshop in the 80's. Figured I was always getting called a punk, so I should find out wtf a punk was. After listening to that tape, I considered getting called a punk about the best compliment I could ever get. Now bloody Micky Mouse is making a Sex Pistols movie and I want to watch the world burn a tad bit more.
If someone told me about some of the influences an hour ago, I would not have believed. What a fantastic video! This is college quality music analysis and I love this so much. 🤘
I think the Deviants deserve a mention, as do the Hollywood Brats and the Hammersmith Gorillas. (PS. Did you know where Blank Generation came from? Check out Beat Generation by Bob McFadden.) In the Australian bit, did you know how many f***ing great garage-style bands there were down under in the 1960s? I think Boston group DMZ deserve a mention as well.
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Well researched, edited, and compiled. Born in '60, never cared for any of the screaming, but do appreciate the links to R&B, and the technical structure that was never apparent to me at the time. Thanks for this comprehensive documentation of social evolution.
My only complaint is that we only get a few seconds of the music. Oh well, guess I'll just have to fire up Winamp. I can't remember if they were in the original vid, but I am happy to see the inclusion of The Flamming Groovies, Rocket From the Tombs, Dictators, and The Modern Lovers. They tend to get left out despite how good and important they all were.
I think the Dictators influenced the Ramones quite a bit, were a better band (more free where the Ramones are trying a bit to hard to be uniform), glad they are not totally forgotten. Blood Brothers, not really punk but great garage rock.
As a latin american myself, I really apreciate the addition of Los Saicos, we really do have a ton of artists that were ahead of the curve, or creating incredible new ideas, but they never get covered in the mainstream as they did not have an impact in the english speaking mainstream.
I find it ironic and ultimately amazing that my favorite band, The Who, are in nearly ALL OF your "Before there was..." episodes. They basically pioneered... well, everything. Four ridiculously talented musicians led by their guitarist and primary songwriter/ genius, Pete Townshend. There is no substitute.
Yes. In my opinion, they were the originators of "MODERN" ROCK. Their way of playing, their attitude, lyrics, live concerts, & the production (the specific sound), were absolutely primordial to everything that came after them. Before The Who, there was Rhythm&Blues, Rock & Roll, and Pop, but, after them, there was ROCK, as we now understand the term.
@RonnieOwens-kv4oe Fun fact: The Kinks "You Really Got Me" inspired Pete Townshend to write The Who's first real big hit "I Can't Explain," which is based on a very stop-and-go guitar riff oriented song construction. Pete idolized The Kinks and probably still does.
Really informative and entertaining. Loved it. The only song I can think of not mentioned (and i get it, you can't mention EVERYTHING) was the Yardbird's reworking of the song "Train Kept A-Rollin' ", "Stroll On" in 1966. Such a jagged, aggressive song for its time.
Wow! What a brilliant documentary, the research + all the information it provides in this film, is superb. Well done, you deserve great credit, I hope you get it.............
Fantastic vid. I was just thinking of The Birds, Ronnie Wood's mid 60's band and of course The Pretty Things, who made The Stones look like choir boys! Mind you, dig under the surface and the video would last for hours!!
I was gonna say that too! The Pretty Things were more rougher and raw than The Rolling Stones, The Who The Kinks, and Them. Very rhythm and blues/blues influenced with an edge.
Very good video, but I'm very surprised not to see a mention of Syd Barrett in there. He was definitely a huge influence on UK punk music, and would even suggest that Vegetable man is a punk song.
Maybe it's a double meaning thing but I always took "Kick Out The Jams" to be about kicking open doors. The door "jamb" being the surrounding structure right? Like instead of just opening doors you're kicking the whole thing out?! ...Maybe that was all in my imagination.
A couple of omissions, one major, one minor. Slade was essential to the glam rock scene, and much more popular than either New York Dolls or T. Rex. Texas band Red Crayola (or Krayola) were a rawer Pink Floydish experiment in noise.
Love that you included Death at around 30:45. Their speed is what actually inspired Henry Rollins and Black Flag. They never got the credit they deserved. Imagine Politicians in My Eyes covered by Rollins?
Death were mostly forgotten until the digital age. So I’m not sure how they can be a retrospective influence? If Henry is saying Death influenced Black Flag or SOA then he’s spinning a line.
@@mrpibbsdotcom well mostly forgotten is not forgotten. Ro think that he is lying about it would be silly since he is a student of genre. Why would it be improbable to think that he could have heard an e copy of their album?
Henry absolutely positively never heard Death prior to Black Flag. He did an interview where he talks about "Politicians in My Eyes" and what a shame it was the band went unheard for so long. Death was a garage band. They recorded part of an album that never got released. They had one 7" single with a run of 500. They were never on the radio. They never toured. They influenced no one.
@@rocknroll_jezus9233 well dipshit, I didn't say that they watched them when they were active, now did I? Rollins himself said that he was inspired by then early in his career in the Death documentary. That could've been thru records/tapes.
I really loved this so much! I have been listening to Punk music since the 80s and this documentary has patched some holes for me in terms of where certain bands got their sound because punk was like nothing else ever! Now thanks to you, I know it was really just a few feet away from other musician's creations that lacked a solid genre or distribution! I knew about Death and Los Saicos, but a lot of the other garage or pop rock bands totally slipped through the cracks and I'd never heard of them. I have so many records to buy now, thank you! One documentary I'd love to see would be about Black innovators in punk/hardcore! Thanks again for doing all the hard work and putting this together!
Ace overview, just a few additions-The narrative lumps The Sonics in with the ‘65 US garage rock crowd, but they had been at it earlier & GRAVE omission of The Witch, recorded the exact same month as The Kinks’ You Really Got Me 👉July, ‘64. YRGM came out in Aug ‘64; The Witch not until Nov ‘64. Psycho was their second single in early ‘65. The Witch was not a reaction to YRGM because it was recorded before the Kinks song was released. Also Tacoma’s Fabulous Wailers should be hailed as a pioneer proto-punk recording. Tacoma’s Fabulous Wailers should be mentioned prominently as thee band that made the prototype garage cover of Louie Louie, from which The Kingsmen based their version upon. Glad you mentioned The Phantom “Love Me“. Another omission: Johnny Burnette Trio “Train Kept A Rollin’” from 1956 was *way* more raucous than Elvis & should be mentioned as one of thee very first. More props are always due to The Damned & The Buzzcocks. 🖤
That was great. I do think a mention of the Doors, or more specifically the audience baiting aspect of Morrison, as well as at least some of the music (Break on Through..), would have been welcome.
Super happy to see you go back and give this topic the full deep dive treatment. Sorry to tell you that I Wanna Be Your Dog was on The Stooges (1969), not Raw Power. Edit. Which you do say in the VO. But the card says Raw Power.
Pretty great intellectual history of proto-punk. Only omission I can think of is pub rock’s cousin, power pop. Bands like The Raspberries, Big Star, and Badfinger are also in the proto-punk canon
@@smkxodnwbwkdns8369 Big Star were pretty damned influential and power pop as much as British glam had a massive impact on the punk movement that would follow.
@@IraMenthol no. Punk in Britain was a reaction against the terrible pub rock scene. I’ve heard more than a few British punks criticize how lame the pub rock bands were and praise American bands like MC5, Stooges, and New York Dolls which are the three bands that really was the catalyst for punk .
@@smkxodnwbwkdns8369 hey, guess who produced the first cramps album? Alex Chilton. Stiff Records was almost entirely pub rockers before they released the UKs first punk single, New Rose by The Damned, produced by Nick Lowe. You're just missing some important info, friendo.
@@IraMenthol who cares about the cramps? Most of the British punk bands were a joke tbh. It was a bunch of kids that couldn’t play screaming into the mic. Only The Clash, Joy Division, and Sex Pistols had any staying power and it was as it should be: they were the only British first wave punk bands that were any good. And the pub rock was the establishment at the time. The New York dolls debut album was produced by Todd, a long haired over 30 hippy rocker who though their music was too simplistic-so what? Producers are replaceable workmen, the band is the important element.
In 1976 I was 13 and in 2nd Form (Grade 8) at High School, and it was such a phenomenal year in music overall that I can still name and date every artist, single and album that came out that year.
So what did you think? Did I miss anything this time around? Comment down below!
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What about The Misunderstood? 1965's Children Of The Sun:ruclips.net/video/mrRImjZlD38/видео.html And for anybody's information John Peel managed them in 1966, but ill fortune avoided them becoming massive for their innovative sound.
Thank you for mentioning Radio Birdman this time around.👌
they might be minor quibbles but The Nuns were starting around '74 on the US west coast and became one fo the main bands in that scene also Cock Sparrer started in the mid 70s as a pub rock band and didn't really hit at that point... they grew a following in the early 80s... but have become punk legends in the last 25 years....
Completely overlooked Canada's contribution to proto punk. Yes we had some bands who's influence spread beyond our border and helped shape the American rock, punk, hardcore and alternative scenes to follow. See my comment below.
Maybe Los Saicos from Peru
even now, at 59 years old, I get a chill down my back and goosebumps when I hear the opening bars of Anarchy in the UK
'Rrrrright..nowwww...[diabolical laughter]'
Me too one of the classics if not the best
>> don"t know what i want// but i know how to get it>>>>>>>> YUSSS!
Great, classic tune. My personal Sex Pistols fave is perhaps "Problems," That sucker still rages hard. I've been playing guitar for 30 years and still thoroughly enjoy jamming along with "Bollocks."
@@colico14 Problems is also my favorite Sex Pistols song.
Thanks for including one band from my country, Los Saicos. Unfortunately, they didn't receive the fame and recognition they deserved, but they are at least known abroad.
The one band mentioned that is the most suspect. No "punk" should get any "band fame and recognition they deserved" at all. It's music for kids.
@@clvrswine what do you mean by "the most suspect" ?
@@clvrswine If you consider them "suspect" at all, then you have to consider most, if not all, of the 60's "Garage Rock" bands as suspect.
The Saicos were just playing what they considered Rock at the time, the term Punk would never have entered their mind. It was non-existant in any way at the time other than a theoretical attitude. So maybe in that regard ie: DIY and not caring what others thought, they could be regarded as "Punk".
@@clvrswine what does that even mean lol punk bands receive fame and recognition and this one didn’t, how is that suspect and why is that upsetting?
They're so gooooooood
Glad you mentioned the cramps, I think their importance gets overlooked. Their attitude was 100% punk.
Plus their singer has one of the best stage names ever! Lux Interior RIP
@@williamz7011 The Cramps were the missing link between Elvis 1956 and Iggy Pop. I saw them several times in the early 1980s.
Their performance at Hammersmith, London 1984 has to be the most demented gig I have attended!
I GOT A 96 TEARS
Yeah, good to see The Cramps given a few seconds. Saw them three times at First Avenue in Minneapolis, always a don't-miss show. Lux Interior always stipulated they played rock 'n' roll, and that there was a difference between that and "rock music/rock bands." He was right. If it's not primal, it's not rock 'n' roll.
Cramps deserve their own Trash Theory video.
As a person who lived through the 70’s, this is the best historical compilation of all the influences which came together to create punk, which I’ve ever seen. Fantastically well done!
Also, as a guitar player, I learned something too. I never knew that Link Wray took a razor blade to the speakers in his guitar cabinets. I thought The Kinks were the first artist to do such a thing. Bravo!…great video.
@@pangloss9thats what I've always heard also, who knew
Yep and well put
This is comprehensive but far from definitive. The decision to throw in every single influence possible needs to be narrowed down in favor of something closer to the heart of punk.
so what was the first uk punk single? got a bit confused between the australian dudes, the damned and anarchy in uk, it sounded to me as if he described the three band singles like the first uk punk single, I mean each time he metions those bands single releases he says " and this was the first uk punk single" so whats the proper order?
Really love when a RUclipsr goes back to their catalog and updates old videos with the new quality. No substitute for years of practice.
I think this video needs its own sequel "After 1976" showing what punk became and how it ramified. There is no genre like punk music, and I think your ending really encapsulated that. Above all, punk was and still is a life attitude. The fact that nowadays we have so many subgenera. From the Irish style punk mixing traditional Celtic songs and instruments to the west coast, communitarian surfer attitude of certain hardcore bands like Pennywise, and the ska/skinhed culture of British youngsters finely portrayed in Shane Meadows' This is England. Man, you really gotta make one of your video essays about the aftermath of early punk music.
pennywise ?
Punk Rock is in my soul for life...San Diego '81, first show...
I got told punk was dead... how? It's a lifestyle is the perfect example of why it can't die....not really.
I love Pennywise but when I think of hardcore I think of Earth Crisis, Gorilla Biscuits, Botch Dropdead, and the like.
For that Irish "Flogging Molly/Dropkick Murphy" fix check out Real McKenzies
For ska.. um damn I guess Ape Army or Looking Up (from Belgium)
Well, to get somewhat of an idea what punk became after the 70's and beyond, I would believe that The Saints influenced later on Green Day. The vocalist in that band alone sounds like what would be Billy Joe Armstrong
Love the chronology here. This is what appealed to me so much about Punk: how connected it is to early rock n roll, r&b, and garage rock.
On Joy Division's Still album, they have a live cover of Velvet Underground's Sister Ray and at the end Ian Curtis jokes "You should hear our version of Louie Louie". I suspect Joy Division never played Louie Louie, but it does indicate how important and influential that track still was as late as 1980.
If you watch the biopic of Factory Records / Tony Wilson "24 Hour Party People" (highly recommend as genuinely well written film) they do show a fictionalized account if Joy Division playing "Louie Louie"
about a year ago on twitter peter hook and a few others did a live 'listen-along' Q&A to the Still album and when sister ray came up i asked him if they actually did play the song or if it was just ian being funny, and he said they apparently did at least once! i'd kill to hear a recording of it but i wonder if one even exists
@@hughzapretti-boyden9187 I thought so too the first time, but the second two times I loved it
@@hughzapretti-boyden9187 Rumor is you hafta watch it twice...to get it.
I love that album.
As an Australian, I want to thank you for including The Saints in this video! Very overlooked internationally but extremely important to punk history
My husband’s favourite punk record? The Saints ‘Stranded’… Mine, Johnny Thunders ‘Little London Boys’… but then we’re Welsh… 😆 However , gotta LOVE the Sex Pistols… anyone at Screen on the Green? Never get tired of listening to my husband’s early punk experiences and tales!
Excellent video. Shall share 🙏🏾✌🏾❣️
Oh, The Saints are known well here by the groovy, the righteous and all the good motherfuckers. Also still remember almost coming a little when I found my copy of Radios Appear in shop in 1985-ish. Walked outta the store w that, Iron Fist. Overkill, and Only Theatre Of Pain under my arm, all for $10 perhaps. Sigh
The UK has such a staggering legacy of great musical innovation, it's great when there's no need to perpetuate some frivolous old rivalry. If one is from the UK or USA (like me) we're just lucky to be born into the legacy of two nations that have together almost exclusively defined pop culture for over 100 years.
Here's to many more years of great music from wherever in the world artists have the urge to start something.
UK Subs
It's all stolen from the blues anyway
Flammin' Groovies are definitely one of the most underrated bands in rock history! They weren't interested in the peace and love scene that was going on in San Francisco. They wanted to sound like Chuck Berry and Little Richard, with a little bit on an edge like The Rolling Stones. And it was actually awesome! At the same time when punk was beginning to become more popular, Shake Some Action was released. It sounded very British Invasion influenced, but it was awesome! And they're one of my top 3 power pop bands of all time!
Slow Death fucking slaps!
Before the hippies we had garage bands that sounded punk the kinks the who the troggs the raiders
@@leahflower9924 The Monks, The Standells, the Trashmen, the Sonics, Them, the Seeds, Chad Allen & The Expressions (The Guess Who), The Music Machine, the 13th Floor Elevators, the Rivieras, Los Saicos, Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs, Love, Tommy James and the Shondells, the Squires (Connecticut), the Easybeats, ? And The Mysterians, the Shadows Of Knight, The Remains, Count Five, The Blues Magoos, the Boxtops, The Electric Prunes, The Chocolate Watchband, The Rising Storm, and Nazz among many many more beginning with probably The Fabulous Wailers from Tacoma, Washington in 1959.
@@rocknroll_jezus9233 yes you know your 60s music too! Lol
@@leahflower9924 I forgot the Dave Clark Five but also Link Wray and Hasil Adkins was something else
So glad you revisited and expanded on this one. Thanks for all your effort.
"...mass unemployment, strikes, rioting, ineffective government, and perhaps worst of all Emerson, Lake & Palmer." ...still grinning over that comment.
Man, i just worked a 12-hour shift and wanted to go to bed. I couldn't because i could not stop watching this thanks man great job.
Another thing to mention about David Bowie’s contribution is that him and Brian Eno were pioneers to post-punk with Low. A lot of post-punk bands like Joy Division and Bauhaus were inspired by that album and you can hear so many similarities to Low and future post-punk bands. Not just post-punk but post-rock as well.
To my mind, Low and the Bowie Iggy collab The Idiot informed and directed Punk rock in its infancy.Both were huge influences on all that followed.
The Idiot was also the album Ian Curtis hung himself to. RIP Ian
I can see that
I loved bauhaus's cover of Ziggy Stardust
Mhm.
I believe the intro to the Beatles' Revolution is worth a mention. As a grade schooler at the time, I'd never heard anything so raucous!
And Helter Skelter.
I click on the video and immediately leave a like. To me, this is the best RUclips channel ever. It talks about one of my favorite things in the world - MUSIC - with so much knowledge and reverence. Really, thank you for doing this. You’re making the world a better (or, at least, a less shittier) place.
Same here! Music will same the world, so someone needs to same music!
It's a really shitty channel. Puts out so much wrong information I can't even begin to go through all of it. It's really really bad journalism
I did the EXACT same thing. This channel puts in the time & work.
@@Syfoll it isn't really journalism, but hey ho. Musicology is opinion and critically motivated reportage. How many you listened to, then, or is this comment terrible journalism, motivated by personal disagreement, rather than actual research? 🤔 Serious question.
@@aidyshaw7711 I dislike this channel because they provide extremely surface level information, that in many many cases is also flat out wrong. I know more than them about many of the subjects they write about, so I can fact check them. Also, and this is an opinion, I dislike their approach as a whole. It seems that they just regurgitate general opinions, without ever nailing down on any specific point. It isn't wrong to be brief, and to operate with surface level information, but I find that good surface level observation tends to be seen as appropriate by the people who know more about the subject, band, or genre that they might refer to. I find most of their observations to fail in this regard. I wouldn't normally dismiss a channel so hard, but seeing someone like the OP, who showered them with praise, made me kinda angry, since I don't think they are worthy of such praise.
Pretty sure punk before 76 was the first video of yours I watched, this revisit is incredible. It's so fascinating to hear the influence these bands had.
The Animals?
Many of their songs are undeniably proto-punk.
Also, I'd kill for a playlist of every song name-dropped and sampled.
You’ve some work to do ! haha , fun work ... Radio Birdman is worth knowing . All of this of course ... one of the best I’ve seen . Alex Harvey should’ve been in there but where does it end ? Well done
You got Apple Music? I’m pretty proud of my Surf Rock and Garage Rock Playlists.
I made a playlist on Spotify
under the name “How Punk Became Punk”
@@zt5310 you're doing God's work my friend. Thank you!
🏁🏁🏁For those of you scrolling to get a vibe if this video is worth your time...
This documentary is absolute 💯 perfection. This was so concise and to the point yet not too fast for the viewer to lose any information while maintaining objectivity throughout. I loved this.
The significance of every band and solo artist presented here is remarkable. This was not just entertaining, this was very educational and for so many different reasons. Going to watch again.
Thank you and God bless you a million times for posting this for us. 💖
".......and perhaps worst of all, Emerson, Lake and Palmer" leaves us in no doubt where your feelings lie. A beautiful line. ELP were just one of many culprits whose careers suddenly hit the brick wall of irrelevancy. It was a siesmic shift in interest by consumers who, to their credit, just moved with the times. There wasn't a new legion of punk consumers. They were the same pre punk consumers who saw value and quality in new music and fashion, happy to shed dying trends. It was an easy change to make.
The art of simple song writing was rediscovered by the punk era bands. If you lived through that time you knew the old bands played boring self indulgent solos that only technical oriented musicians appreciated. The legacy of simple song writing, rediscovered by punk, has endured to this day, and that is incredible.
Thanks man. I love the Stooges. Really like Ron Asheton's guitar work in perticular.
Ron asheton on stooges first album is my favorite
Same here, I learned guitar 2 years ago by playing Ron’s riffs and I still play them every day. Truly nothing quite like it.
One Protopunk band I think gets often overlooked (don't blame anyone for doing so though, since they are German and sang in German about German issues) is Ton Steine Scherben. They started in 1970, shortly after came to fame when they asked their fans to smash up the venue of a gig where the venue managers took off without paying the band; the fans subsequently went on to set the stage on fire while the band played on of their biggest hits "Macht kaputt was euch kaputt macht" (Break what breaks you). They released possibly the greatest German album of all time, "Keine Macht für Niemand" (No Power to No One), in 1972. While musically, especially their later work might be considered a bit too complex for being Punk, their earlier songs and especially the bands attitude very much are. For a decade, the band was basically inseperable from the leftist movement in Germany, some of their gigs ended in squatting nearby buildings. Their influence still reaches until today not only in German punk, but rock in general, and even into other genres such as German Rap. I fully believe that the only reason they are not usually consideres a punk band is the simple fact that punk just did not exist at their peak, otherwise they would probably be considered one of *the* greatest punk bands of all time. In Germany that is, as mentioned before, much of their music does not translate well: still, I recommend everyone interested in punk music to look some of it up, it's brilliant music.
B. Bargeld ( from E. Neubauten & Nick Cave's Bad Seeds ) have mentioned them as one of his favorite underground bands from the '70s .
Thanks for adding The Monks - an extremely underrated group. Mark E Smith was a big fan and covered a couple of their songs on Fall LPs.
Black Monk Time is the best album ever made and The Fall are amazing too
yes I always wondered why they weren't in the first. I hate you is a classic
Got into them then recognized them in The Big Lebowski upon a second viewing
yeh great musically. bit twatty lyrically but a good sound.
@@bluebellbeatnik4945 Yeah but that's punk, innit?
this is awesome & so rich. I would add 'helter skelter' by the Beatles as McCartney's attempt to outdo The Who's claim to the hardest song until then (I can see for miles). Even the Pistols were into that song, and the Banshees covered it. thanx heaps for this goldmining!
Interest
Couldn't agree more!
I'm so glad you mentioned The Monks. They're such a cool and vastly underrated band with some super cool experimentation
…and Radio Birdman (an aussie here)
Yeah The Monks were insane for their time! Them, and The Sonics are maybe my most favorite if I hadda pick.
Three words: "I Gotta Right" by The Stooges. It was recorded in 1972 but was deemed so extreme, the record label wouldn't release it at the time. It was issued in 1977.
The roots of Punk and speed metal start here. No group at the time was playing so fast, and that includes Deep Purple and Led Zep.
You nailed it, Iggy is the real deal, Lydon
close second
@@nrom6972 I saw The Stooges twice, with Ron and then James. They were in another league entirely.
Also saw The Sex Pistols in late 1976, they were superb.
Yes it sounded punk along with I'm not like everybody else by the kinks and my generation but I still think Ramones first album solidified punk rock
@@robjones2408 sex pistols were superb? Hard to believe, did you mean the clash lol
@@leahflower9924 I also saw The Clash a few months earlier, and they were excellent. I got to speak to Joe Strummer before they went onstage.
He was polite and good-natured. The Pistols with original bassist Glenn Matlock were fantastic.
Amazing video. I was a UK punk in the 70's and really had no idea of the history of the music. This is s stunning piece of music history .Thanks so much!!❤❤👍👍
I was listening to punk in the 1970s. A freind bought the Damneds New Rose in 1976, that was it. But it wasn't till later, actually much later I learned more aboyt the history and links. But a lit of those proto punk bands I'd listened to early on, before I heard tye Damned. Once I vegan reading the history, especially some of the glam stuff it all made sense.
I feel ya, two decades later I was a 90s goth kid so it was wonderful digging into the roots of my favorite music from my youth.
This is one of the best if not the best doco on punk I have ever seen.
So glad my fellow countrymen The Saints and others got a mention.
Great stuff.
Thank you for The Saints mention. I think they were in London in 1976, printed 200 copies of single "I'm Stranded" and Malcolm McLaren got the Sex Pistols into the studio when he heard it on the radio, or so the story goes..... Chris Bailey was a genius.
Ed Kuepper more so than Chris, especially when you look at their respective catalogs following their split. Laughing Clowns and Ed’s solo work is streets ahead of post 1978 Saints
The Canterbury British prog scene, from the early 70s, had some razor sharp punk influences like. Daevid Allen's Gong "Camembert Electronique" with 'You Can't Kill Me" and His solo Album "Stoned Innocent Frankenstein"s "All I Want is Out of Here" and Robert Wyatt's "Ruth is Stranger Than Richard". Give them a listen.
Even if the music of the Punk era did not interest, this documentary is so associated with almost all other musical abilities it is a great standard history of the Punk movement and it's musical history.
Thanks for this, I actually found so many bands here that I did not even class as Punk owing to just hearing one track and liking it, such as Golden Brown by the Stranglers, that I still listen to and love, that anyone interested in music cannot miss.
I love The Sex Pistols having a go at Roadrunner on The Great Rock & Roll Swindle.
I read this great article once where the writer went into this long spiel about how the Sex Pistols became The Sex Pistols with their recording of Johnny B Goode /Roadrunner.
It was all about the deconstruction of what had gone before and how the embracing of Roadrunner was the means by which they crawled from the wreckage of all that old stuff they had just kicked all over the place.He even narrows it down to Paul Cooks cymbal crash at 5.15 as the moment the smoke cleared and they began their climb up the mountain.....I know,it sounds like a load of pretentious guff but when I read it then listened to the 2 songs,it made perfect sense.If I ever find the article I'll forward it to you...hhahahaahhaa....(bet you can't wait.)
AYE DUNNO THE WUHDS
As an Aussie I'm very happy that The Saints & Radio Birdman got a mention - we were seeing these bands before we even heard about the overseas punk thing!
You're a treasure. What I appreciate the most is your dive into the deepest roots of musical Americana to give an accurate evolution of a genre. You'd be surprised at how many young people think that their generation's subgenres are original inventions.
This is a really interesting reflection on the true ancestry of Punk, as usual meticulously researched and showing genuine understanding of what was going on at the time. Love this channel.
Punk started way before this.
Great job! Thank you for including Los saicos, they were such a great band.
This was the first punk documentary in a while that actually taught me something new.
I’ve watched this video three times.
I have several of these songs in my library, simply because I love them. I didn’t realize until watching this video how prolific the stages of punk are. Somehow I’ve I’ve kept up with the progression of punk without even knowing.
This really resonates with me, so thank you! Great job on the video.
Interesting…
Congrats!
this bever really addresses the guitars influrnce directly . none would be possible without the love of this instrument
The Pistols were the first live band I ever saw. They played my little seaside town in the North of England in '77. I was only 8 years old & obviously was not allowed to go but the venue was only a couple of hundred yards down the road & my older cousin was going with all his friends so I was like 'if they're going I'm going'. So I sneaked out & tagged along. The guy on the door thought it was hilarious so he let me in. I went home covered in beer, other peoples' phlegm & god knows what else but I had a great time. It was so loud that I had a ringing in my ears for a week & it took me that long to be able to sit down again after the whooping I took from my dad, who was waiting for me slipper in hand when I climbed back in through my bedroom window lol. Still, it was a special night that I'll never forget & well worth the pain. Ah, good times, good times.
I so much laughed reading your comments that I cried !!!!! So good
Excellent. You've been a kid hero !
honestly it's amazing how fresh Anarchy in the UK sounds at the end of this video after all the raunchiest hardscrabble, shoutiest knarliest sounds in rock history
This was fantastic! Really thorough. I got pretty into the L.A. punk scene in the 80's - and a lot of what was in this were a part of my journey.
This is brilliant! As others have already said... this is the best documentary of the influences on punk rock I have seen. Great to see Northern Ireland's Stiff Little Fingers included. As a punk rocker in the late 70's I regularly frequented The Harp Bar in Belfast.. which would have been Belfast's equivalent to CBGB's. This was at the height of 'the troubles' in Northern Ireland and punk rock music united both Catholics and Protestants and was escapism from the daily atrocities going on around us. Thank you for this great documentary.
As a NorCal girl I've got to mention San Francisco's The Dead Kennedys. I lived in London as a teen in the summer of '78, and sought out college radio here when I got back. They are the local punk band I found when I tuned in.
I can't believe he didn't add the dead kennedys!
DK formed in '78 - they were a hardcore punk band and part of the second wave of punk and punk inspired music.
My favorite punk band. Plastic Surgery Disasters is a masterpiece. Well Paid Scientist!!?? Beyond fierce.
They didn't start until '78. What about The Nuns, who started in '75? Great band, totally destroyed Sex Pistols at their last gig.
@@vanderlayindustrys Because they formed in 1978, already two years after Punk got its denomination. This video is all about the influences to what made Punk a genre leading up to its 1976 breakthrough.
Good to see The Saints mentioned. If you can get a hold of the Dogs In Space DVD there's a brilliant documentary in the extras of Melbourn's punk scene in the 70s. Today The Chats keep punk alive and relevant down under.
The Chats are great...picked up their 'Get F*cked' lp a few weeks ago. Hoping to see them supporting Queens Of The Stone Age here in Scotland in November.
I loved this, can’t wait to watch all your vids
I learned about some of this early stuff from the Cramps. I never realized how many songs on their greatest hits were redone covers from earlier garage rock bands. Green Fuz by Randy Alvey and the Green Fuz was one of my favorite discoveries off that album. Lux and Ivy must have an amazing rockabilly/garage collection. Also didn't realize that Rollin's Band song "Do It" was a cover.
Compilations of Lux n Ivys rock n roll/rockabilly record collection are out there in number. inc releases Fast Jivin Class Cutters , Trick or Treat, Records Records Records my faves. You cant go wrong..
Do It is what got me into Rollins Band , fantastic cover . Those ‘89-‘95ish shows that I saw were pretty much the best at the time , incredible. I love covers , a great introduction to a band when it’s right . Prong covering Get A Grip was another at the time that got me to dig further , Cleansing that album , tour & show 10/10 !
So much music ... Saw The Cramps 3X early mid 80’s , awesome and so much fun . Toronto’s Concert Hall ‘79 > ‘90’s was my epicentre, an hour drive and a buzz that lasted ... years ! haha
@@daevidharvey7113 Do It was a favorite of mine in high school. didn't know it was a cover for almost 10 years.
i was never a fan of Prong but i had a copy of the Prove You Wrong EP i got in a dollar bin with Get a Grip (harm mix) and thought it was a great cover. The song that i didn't realize was a cover for the longest period of time would be the Circle Jerks' Wild In The Streets. blew my mind when i found out.
Glad Hawkwind was mentioned this time round. They were very important in the development of Punk
As were Motorhead, and the common denominator? Lemmy of course.
@@yodab.at1746 and of course Lemmy was also in the Doomed.. which was basically the Damned...
Let's not forget Pink Fairies.
The Hawks were big favorites of Joy Division, Sex Pistols, and Killing Joke. They were the first group I ever saw in February 1975, and they were fabulous.
@@robjones2408 LSD :)
I only stumbled upon this series recently and clearly Trash Theory is doing for modern day music history devotees what Pete Frame's Rock Family Trees and Terry Hounsome's New Rock Record did for my generation's seekers of the magic connections.
Bravo sir !
Your narration, narrative, and knowledge of the subject matter is extraordinary. Your editing, research and creativity mark you as the best in the business. Thank you for such engrossing content.
My mother loved to put on punk music and turn the volume up really really loud while she would beat me with a stick. She was a natural drummer that woman. Now when ever I hear punk music it just brings tears to my eyes and I feel all warm and tingly.
I freaking lived the first incarnation of this video, and the expansion of the 50s and 60s stuff is mind-blowing. Glad to see krautrock and pub rock getting more of a shout as well. There's this disingenuous argument that punk originated in the USA (arguably true) and hence was the sole and direct inspiration for UK punk, but arguably Britain had its own garage scene in pub rock and a template for rockstardom in Bowie. Great stuff.
There were thousands of Garage Rock bands of the 60s throughout the world.
In 1998, a four CD box set of 'Nuggets' was released. It featured the Sonics, Monks, Love, Barbarians, and Radiers.
The MC5 later signed on to Atlantic records, recording and releasing two more Lp's.
The Magic band had a second Lp; "Strictly Personal."
There was also the Shaggs, Edgard Broughton, and the Deviants.
was larry wallis in the deviants
Me enteré de la muerte de Johnny Cash en pleno concierto de Iggy Pop pues él mismo dió la mala noticia nada más subir al escenario. Fue un momento triste ... después The Stooges estallaron en un concierto inolvidable.
The wildest and most punk Rockabilly song was "Train Kept a Rollin'" by The Rock and Roll Trio, often called Johnny Burnette's Rock and Roll Trio.
Missing from this list are Eno songs like Third Uncle from the 1974 album Tigermountain. Eno skipped right by punk and landed beyond, on new wave territory way ahead of its time.
Very cool. In addition to ELP, Joey Ramone (I think) mentioned Kansas as one of the over-refined, over-produced, over-musicianship bands that were kiliing the essence of R&R and so needed to be rebelled against. Your video also made me wonder about the influence of Punk on Rap, especially Gangsta Rap. ---- As a musician trying to make it in the 70's, I didn't really get Punk. Thanks for helping me!!
Rap may not sound like Punk, but the ethos is the same: Don't have the proper resources? Do it anyway! Cheapo drum box, else vocal beatboxing, rap it out... RunDMC and Beasties were the sonic crossovers there, while rapping itself may link back to the reggae sound-hall toasters.
@@cquirke1 "The "C" in rap is silent" - George Harrison
One of the first videos to mention the electric eels and rocket from the tombs, the cleveland punk scene has finally gotten recognition!
Some of my favorite bands after understanding Punk were DEVO,Clash , Elvis Costello, Iggy Pop,Sex pistols, Ramones and the New York dolls are some ,but the Stones had me ready . Satisfaction and even more defiant Get off my Cloud. The Who definitely helped also. 😎
Thankfully I have discovered your podcast Channel. Not only is the subject matter to my liking but there is a part of my work day where I have to sit and do what I call busy work that will drive you absolutely batshit crazy if you don't distract yourself. Fortunately, I am unable to put the earbuds on and just listen to whatever I want and your podcasts have saved me from going absolutely crazy. Keep up the good work
Los Saicos, what a band! They were great at that year ! Thanks for the video
I really loved the video! I found it very informative and well done! Although I wished you talked about 60s Girl Groups because they had a profound influence on the punk movement. Bands like the New York Dolls, The Dammed, Blondie, The Ramones, etc. made various references to them in songs such as “New Rose” and “Looking for a Kiss.” For the most part groups always cited them as a major influence, not only in music but also in fashion and attitude. For
instance, The Ronettes and The Shangri-Las’ “band girl” appearance and point of view.
* “bad girl”
@@lomieblum3583 RIP Ronnie Spector. .
could you give some more examples of references? I listen to a lot of both genres so im really interested
Is she really going out with him?
I really loved this video the first time it came around, and somehow you topped my love for the original video. Amazing video, as an aspiring "Punk Historian" this video blew my mind with so many things that I didn't know beforehand. Thank you for making my day!
The best documentary I have seen about pUNK and where it came from. In depth research has gone on here, brilliant editing. You got a massive amount of info into less than an hour. Had me sitting on the edge of my comfy arm chair. Good on you!
wow. Great research and a good subtle taste. nothing here amiss. thank you
Gives me faith in this video knowin that you are also citing Little Richard as an influence. I first was into 50s rockabilly, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis before I was into NWOBH and that, before I was into the American “Big 4”.
I'm glad the Stranglers got a mention, albeit briefly-some of the artists mentioned here were influenced into forming bands through attending their early gigs.
I think the DC5's should be on the list. Not only were they a garage band but many punk/rock artists covered their songs. I took a friend and his wife to see the DC5's lead vocalist Mike Smith live and his wife really got into him. On the way home I asked her why she liked it so much because given her age, I doubt if she ever had heard of him. She replied that it was cool that an old guy would sing punk. I explained to her that songs like "Glad all Over" and "Anyway You Want It" were the songs his former group were famous for.
This is easily my favorite episide you've done so far to date, i really like what and how you covered not just in this one, though, and I really do enjoy all of your work that you've submitted so far. But I really really want to see a more in-depth video on U.S. and British psychedelic rock from around '66 to like '72 or so. Would love that! Great work. Love your channel you do awesome content its among my favorite on RUclips. Thank you.
Really nice history, thanks. Biggest miss? The Chambers Brothers, Time Has Come Today (1966, 1967). The Ramones knew how important it was.
I came to work in Manhattan in 1979. By then, the Punk/New Wave scene was in full swing. I went EVERY weekend to the East or West Village clubs, GBGBS in The Bowery, or to The RItz to see The Kings.
At The Palladium that November, I saw Wendy O. Williams get nude with chain saws, sledge hammers and shot guns on stage. She blew up her FIRST car that night. An old Caddy. I was in the 7th row. It was epic. Plasmatics!!
I found everything about that era energizing. I was SO LUCKY to have experienced some of it first hand.
So glad I missed Studio 54 and the Disco Era.
That was fantastic. I'd be hard pressed to think of a better documentary covering the whole proto punk era. You did an amazing job and covered way more than I was expecting.
The first piece of music I ever "bought" for myself was a cassette tape of Never Mind The Bullocks from a pawnshop in the 80's. Figured I was always getting called a punk, so I should find out wtf a punk was. After listening to that tape, I considered getting called a punk about the best compliment I could ever get.
Now bloody Micky Mouse is making a Sex Pistols movie and I want to watch the world burn a tad bit more.
If someone told me about some of the influences an hour ago, I would not have believed. What a fantastic video! This is college quality music analysis and I love this so much. 🤘
I think the Deviants deserve a mention, as do the Hollywood Brats and the Hammersmith Gorillas. (PS. Did you know where Blank Generation came from? Check out Beat Generation by Bob McFadden.) In the Australian bit, did you know how many f***ing great garage-style bands there were down under in the 1960s? I think Boston group DMZ deserve a mention as well.
thee p.rocking r allllways : He didn't mention_________, holy Jebus, not a pig friggin word about_____. u did well+u gave me some info that I will absolutely look into. carry on!
In general, this channel is most excellent. Just discovered it today. This puts all the other history of music channels to shame.
This was simply wonderful!!!! Best I’ve seen in a long, long time!!
Well researched, edited, and compiled. Born in '60, never cared for any of the screaming, but do appreciate the links to R&B, and the technical structure that was never apparent to me at the time. Thanks for this comprehensive documentation of social evolution.
Thank you so much for mentioning The Trashmen. Their contribution to punk is overlooked too often.
My only complaint is that we only get a few seconds of the music. Oh well, guess I'll just have to fire up Winamp.
I can't remember if they were in the original vid, but I am happy to see the inclusion of The Flamming Groovies, Rocket From the Tombs, Dictators, and The Modern Lovers. They tend to get left out despite how good and important they all were.
I think the Dictators influenced the Ramones quite a bit, were a better band (more free where the Ramones are trying a bit to hard to be uniform), glad they are not totally forgotten. Blood Brothers, not really punk but great garage rock.
Yeah, that's copyright for ya. Only a few seconds!
The modern lover self titled album is one of ma faves of all time. Great video
9:40 that’s some serious head/neck action.
As a latin american myself, I really apreciate the addition of Los Saicos, we really do have a ton of artists that were ahead of the curve, or creating incredible new ideas, but they never get covered in the mainstream as they did not have an impact in the english speaking mainstream.
@klijakuarikki wut? Didn't get you
I find it ironic and ultimately amazing that my favorite band, The Who, are in nearly ALL OF your "Before there was..." episodes. They basically pioneered... well, everything. Four ridiculously talented musicians led by their guitarist and primary songwriter/ genius, Pete Townshend. There is no substitute.
Yes. In my opinion, they were the originators of "MODERN" ROCK. Their way of playing, their attitude, lyrics, live concerts, & the production (the specific sound), were absolutely primordial to everything that came after them.
Before The Who, there was Rhythm&Blues, Rock & Roll, and Pop, but, after them, there was ROCK, as we now understand the term.
@@apataye cheers to that, mate! 🍻
They certainly got the "comptempt for their audience" thing down earlier than anyone else did, and I saw them in 1983!
Kinks fan here but The Who were pretty good too...😉
@RonnieOwens-kv4oe Fun fact: The Kinks "You Really Got Me" inspired Pete Townshend to write The Who's first real big hit "I Can't Explain," which is based on a very stop-and-go guitar riff oriented song construction. Pete idolized The Kinks and probably still does.
Really informative and entertaining. Loved it. The only song I can think of not mentioned (and i get it, you can't mention EVERYTHING) was the Yardbird's reworking of the song "Train Kept A-Rollin' ", "Stroll On" in 1966. Such a jagged, aggressive song for its time.
Well this is an excellent documentary. Should be on mainstream TV.
Wow! What a brilliant documentary, the research + all the information it provides in this film, is superb.
Well done, you deserve great credit, I hope you get it.............
Fantastic vid. I was just thinking of The Birds, Ronnie Wood's mid 60's band and of course The Pretty Things, who made The Stones look like choir boys! Mind you, dig under the surface and the video would last for hours!!
I was gonna say that too! The Pretty Things were more rougher and raw than The Rolling Stones, The Who The Kinks, and Them. Very rhythm and blues/blues influenced with an edge.
Very good video, but I'm very surprised not to see a mention of Syd Barrett in there. He was definitely a huge influence on UK punk music, and would even suggest that Vegetable man is a punk song.
Maybe it's a double meaning thing but I always took "Kick Out The Jams" to be about kicking open doors. The door "jamb" being the surrounding structure right? Like instead of just opening doors you're kicking the whole thing out?! ...Maybe that was all in my imagination.
A couple of omissions, one major, one minor.
Slade was essential to the glam rock scene, and much more popular than either New York Dolls or T. Rex.
Texas band Red Crayola (or Krayola) were a rawer Pink Floydish experiment in noise.
Wow, you have completely outdone yourself with this one. I now have at least 30 bands I feel the need to take a deep dive on due to this updated doc.
Love that you included Death at around 30:45. Their speed is what actually inspired Henry Rollins and Black Flag. They never got the credit they deserved. Imagine Politicians in My Eyes covered by Rollins?
Death were mostly forgotten until the digital age. So I’m not sure how they can be a retrospective influence? If Henry is saying Death influenced Black Flag or SOA then he’s spinning a line.
@@mrpibbsdotcom well mostly forgotten is not forgotten. Ro think that he is lying about it would be silly since he is a student of genre. Why would it be improbable to think that he could have heard an e copy of their album?
Henry absolutely positively never heard Death prior to Black Flag. He did an interview where he talks about "Politicians in My Eyes" and what a shame it was the band went unheard for so long. Death was a garage band. They recorded part of an album that never got released. They had one 7" single with a run of 500. They were never on the radio. They never toured. They influenced no one.
Black Flag had no knowledge of Death when they formed or even during their existence. Can we stop making shit up?
@@rocknroll_jezus9233 well dipshit, I didn't say that they watched them when they were active, now did I? Rollins himself said that he was inspired by then early in his career in the Death documentary. That could've been thru records/tapes.
This is great. Really shows the roots of punk. Not just one band, person or philosophy. Thank you.
I really loved this so much! I have been listening to Punk music since the 80s and this documentary has patched some holes for me in terms of where certain bands got their sound because punk was like nothing else ever! Now thanks to you, I know it was really just a few feet away from other musician's creations that lacked a solid genre or distribution! I knew about Death and Los Saicos, but a lot of the other garage or pop rock bands totally slipped through the cracks and I'd never heard of them. I have so many records to buy now, thank you! One documentary I'd love to see would be about Black innovators in punk/hardcore! Thanks again for doing all the hard work and putting this together!
Ace overview, just a few additions-The narrative lumps The Sonics in with the ‘65 US garage rock crowd, but they had been at it earlier & GRAVE omission of The Witch, recorded the exact same month as The Kinks’ You Really Got Me 👉July, ‘64. YRGM came out in Aug ‘64; The Witch not until Nov ‘64. Psycho was their second single in early ‘65. The Witch was not a reaction to YRGM because it was recorded before the Kinks song was released. Also Tacoma’s Fabulous Wailers should be hailed as a pioneer proto-punk recording. Tacoma’s Fabulous Wailers should be mentioned prominently as thee band that made the prototype garage cover of Louie Louie, from which The Kingsmen based their version upon.
Glad you mentioned The Phantom “Love Me“. Another omission: Johnny Burnette Trio “Train Kept A Rollin’” from 1956 was *way* more raucous than Elvis & should be mentioned as one of thee very first. More props are always due to The Damned & The Buzzcocks. 🖤
That was great. I do think a mention of the Doors, or more specifically the audience baiting aspect of Morrison, as well as at least some of the music (Break on Through..), would have been welcome.
They also made that “Gloria” cover as well.
Super happy to see you go back and give this topic the full deep dive treatment.
Sorry to tell you that I Wanna Be Your Dog was on The Stooges (1969), not Raw Power.
Edit. Which you do say in the VO. But the card says Raw Power.
They played not right in this video damn I love that song
Pretty great intellectual history of proto-punk. Only omission I can think of is pub rock’s cousin, power pop. Bands like The Raspberries, Big Star, and Badfinger are also in the proto-punk canon
They aren’t important tho.
@@smkxodnwbwkdns8369 Big Star were pretty damned influential and power pop as much as British glam had a massive impact on the punk movement that would follow.
@@IraMenthol no. Punk in Britain was a reaction against the terrible pub rock scene. I’ve heard more than a few British punks criticize how lame the pub rock bands were and praise American bands like MC5, Stooges, and New York Dolls which are the three bands that really was the catalyst for punk .
@@smkxodnwbwkdns8369 hey, guess who produced the first cramps album? Alex Chilton. Stiff Records was almost entirely pub rockers before they released the UKs first punk single, New Rose by The Damned, produced by Nick Lowe. You're just missing some important info, friendo.
@@IraMenthol who cares about the cramps? Most of the British punk bands were a joke tbh. It was a bunch of kids that couldn’t play screaming into the mic. Only The Clash, Joy Division, and Sex Pistols had any staying power and it was as it should be: they were the only British first wave punk bands that were any good.
And the pub rock was the establishment at the time. The New York dolls debut album was produced by Todd, a long haired over 30 hippy rocker who though their music was too simplistic-so what? Producers are replaceable workmen, the band is the important element.
In 1976 I was 13 and in 2nd Form (Grade 8) at High School, and it was such a phenomenal year in music overall that I can still name and date every artist, single and album that came out that year.
This is a wild, wonderful and thorough overview ❤