Both careers tanked around Covid. With Bryant arm injuries tanked his BA and power numbers. Under Covid rules you were not allowed to go look at video of your previous at bat to learn what mistakes you made, like you had been able to do in prior years. I do not think that rule changed back after Covid. This rule change is what tanked Javy. It also can't help that both men were traded from a team they were thriving on. Javy's numbers are far more concerning as Javy was a MVP runner up with 0 injury history.
Astros are a true dynasty and could potential make their 8th straight pennant this year. 2015-2016 Cubs were just slightly above a flash in a pan type team. That said 2016 was a very talented and special team.
@@eamonkelley3811 - A true dynasty is the current day Kansas City Chiefs... 3+ titles in a short amount of time, with a lot of the same players. 2010s Warriors, early 2010s Giants, 90s Yankees etc... those are dynasties. Astros have been good for 10 seasons now. 2 titles in 10 years is good no doubt, but that's no dynasty. Other runner-ups are nice too, but participation awards don't factor into dynasties.
Tigers fan here: that Baez deal hurts for more than just the money he's still owed because, for one, he plays for a cheapskate team owner when you compare his net worth among MLB owners ranks to where his team payroll ranks. Second, and more importantly, he was supposed to be fun to watch. For the first time since the rebuild started, the team went out and splurged on a big name guy (as you said it, he had been one of the most exciting and popular players to watch before the decline happened the minute he signed that 6 year deal). We were supposed to be getting a bonafide star (albeit at the end of his prime, but he was still should have been way better than he has been) with championship experience to lead the young core of blue chip guys like Skubal, Greene, Mize, Torkelson, etc into the next era of relevancy for the Tigers as the beloved Miggy passed the torch on his way out. Instead we got a guy who's regressed to probably the worst qualified hitter in baseball the past 3 years (as the vaunted defensive prowess has slipped from great to bad) still being owed 73 mill the next 3 years, the blue chip prospects have piled up into a heap of busts when they haven't been injury prone, the farm system (while looking much better lately) looks like it's still years off from consistently producing quality big league players, and Cheapskate Chris still refuses to spend in the interim to at least provide some kind of competitive product in a weak division full of other cheapskate owners (this season's overachieving by Detroit's rivals not withstanding) so a playoff appearance starved fanbase can at least have the illusion of hope for October baseball before Max Clark and his fellow current High A prospect teammates get called up in 2027 and guys like Skubal, Greene and Carpenter have left for greener pastures. Meanwhile, we have to watch our division rivals the Kansas City Royals: 1. Play in 2 WS and win 1 since the last time we played in one 2. Go through their own failed rebuild where that had them finish as one of the 3 worst teams in baseball last season 3. Have said failed rebuild still produce 3-4 players who in the aggregate look way better than our 3-4 best farm system products from our failed rebuild 4. Then go on a spending spree (despite, mind you, their owner's net worth being less than half of Cheapskate Chris's) to supplement those home grown stars with the supporting cast their farm system failed to produce and now they've not only leapfrogged us in the standings this season, they're in position to possibly win the division if the rest of the season breaks right for them but will still at minimum get a Wild Card spot while we're on pace to win fewer games than last season and finish below .500 again for almost a decade now. We were supposed to be watching El Mago be El Mago amongst a team of home grown blue chippers becoming home grown stars, vying for division titles the past 3 years and instead we've ended up with maybe the most disappointing rebuild in baseball in the past 20 years, and the 2nd most disappointing rebuild in all of sports the past 2 decades, since the current Pistons rebuild somehow managed to squander an even higher average caliber of prospects even worse than the Tigers rebuild did (which is the clearest proof to me that there is a God, because it it's pretty clear he hates Detroit).
Javy was one of the most exciting but not best and always flawed. KB was an MVP then his body failed him. He was never the same after taking a fastball to the face
Bryant: Too tall yet too skinny. Can’t stay healthy. Also, taking fastball to head in 2019 seemed to mess with his head. But mostly it’s his bad back Baez: tbh having Joe Madden who supported him playing as himself helped him so much. I think losing him as manager was huge on his discipline. Also he’s lost bad speed as he’s lost some of his athleticism. Overall they just older and i also believe winning a huge championship so young it allowed these guys (and the rest of the cubs roster) to coast and they never got back to the elite level . Lastly, they both started families around 2018-2019. They’re likely just not as motivated as they were when they were young. It’s sad but happens in sports all the time
I still think Bryant could return to respectability if he could ever get a season's worth of plate appearances in. He's never healthy long enough to find a groove.
At least Bryant has been injured. A LOT. But that doesn't completely absolve him of his shitty play, but at least it's an excuse. Javy has no excuse. I just don't think he loves baseball anymore. He is terrible now.
That hurt more than I thought it would. I’m a Red Sox fan but that cubs team was magical, I still have my KB jersey
Let JAYHAY COOK
Just brutal truth Jayhay. Thought the core would take down so many more titles. Whoops…Eldon’s to being a cubs fan!
My only wish was that these were longer!
Keep it up jayhay kid
Good stuff
Yet these two guys will still never buy a drink in Chicago ever again. Miss them both. Gald they're both not on our team though. #flythew
Both careers tanked around Covid. With Bryant arm injuries tanked his BA and power numbers. Under Covid rules you were not allowed to go look at video of your previous at bat to learn what mistakes you made, like you had been able to do in prior years. I do not think that rule changed back after Covid. This rule change is what tanked Javy. It also can't help that both men were traded from a team they were thriving on. Javy's numbers are far more concerning as Javy was a MVP runner up with 0 injury history.
The other thing to remember...if Hoyer had kept Javy the Cubs would've spent 37 Million a year from what they signed Dansby for
Just makes what the Astros have done since 2017 all the more impressive.
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Astros are a true dynasty and could potential make their 8th straight pennant this year. 2015-2016 Cubs were just slightly above a flash in a pan type team. That said 2016 was a very talented and special team.
@@eamonkelley3811 - A true dynasty is the current day Kansas City Chiefs... 3+ titles in a short amount of time, with a lot of the same players. 2010s Warriors, early 2010s Giants, 90s Yankees etc... those are dynasties. Astros have been good for 10 seasons now. 2 titles in 10 years is good no doubt, but that's no dynasty. Other runner-ups are nice too, but participation awards don't factor into dynasties.
You da man JayHay!
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Oh man. So sad. 🤷🏻
Tigers fan here: that Baez deal hurts for more than just the money he's still owed because, for one, he plays for a cheapskate team owner when you compare his net worth among MLB owners ranks to where his team payroll ranks.
Second, and more importantly, he was supposed to be fun to watch. For the first time since the rebuild started, the team went out and splurged on a big name guy (as you said it, he had been one of the most exciting and popular players to watch before the decline happened the minute he signed that 6 year deal).
We were supposed to be getting a bonafide star (albeit at the end of his prime, but he was still should have been way better than he has been) with championship experience to lead the young core of blue chip guys like Skubal, Greene, Mize, Torkelson, etc into the next era of relevancy for the Tigers as the beloved Miggy passed the torch on his way out.
Instead we got a guy who's regressed to probably the worst qualified hitter in baseball the past 3 years (as the vaunted defensive prowess has slipped from great to bad) still being owed 73 mill the next 3 years, the blue chip prospects have piled up into a heap of busts when they haven't been injury prone, the farm system (while looking much better lately) looks like it's still years off from consistently producing quality big league players, and Cheapskate Chris still refuses to spend in the interim to at least provide some kind of competitive product in a weak division full of other cheapskate owners (this season's overachieving by Detroit's rivals not withstanding) so a playoff appearance starved fanbase can at least have the illusion of hope for October baseball before Max Clark and his fellow current High A prospect teammates get called up in 2027 and guys like Skubal, Greene and Carpenter have left for greener pastures.
Meanwhile, we have to watch our division rivals the Kansas City Royals:
1. Play in 2 WS and win 1 since the last time we played in one
2. Go through their own failed rebuild where that had them finish as one of the 3 worst teams in baseball last season
3. Have said failed rebuild still produce 3-4 players who in the aggregate look way better than our 3-4 best farm system products from our failed rebuild
4. Then go on a spending spree (despite, mind you, their owner's net worth being less than half of Cheapskate Chris's) to supplement those home grown stars with the supporting cast their farm system failed to produce and now they've not only leapfrogged us in the standings this season, they're in position to possibly win the division if the rest of the season breaks right for them but will still at minimum get a Wild Card spot while we're on pace to win fewer games than last season and finish below .500 again for almost a decade now.
We were supposed to be watching El Mago be El Mago amongst a team of home grown blue chippers becoming home grown stars, vying for division titles the past 3 years and instead we've ended up with maybe the most disappointing rebuild in baseball in the past 20 years, and the 2nd most disappointing rebuild in all of sports the past 2 decades, since the current Pistons rebuild somehow managed to squander an even higher average caliber of prospects even worse than the Tigers rebuild did (which is the clearest proof to me that there is a God, because it it's pretty clear he hates Detroit).
I visited MI and drove across the state to see my first Tigers game last month. Great park and fans. Fortunately, I was spared from seeing Baez play.
Javy was one of the most exciting but not best and always flawed. KB was an MVP then his body failed him. He was never the same after taking a fastball to the face
As a Cardinals fan: like
I smiled through the whole thing. Whoops.
You would think their decline would have helped the Cardinals win something but alas, it has not.
@@theclayishone the Cardinals literally made their consistent return to the postseason right when these 2 started falling off
Weren’t getting those Jake arrieta steroids anymore
What's amazing is no matter how awful they play, the paychecks keep coming in.
Bryant making approx $26M per season and I think Baez about $23M 😮
Bryant: Too tall yet too skinny. Can’t stay healthy. Also, taking fastball to head in 2019 seemed to mess with his head. But mostly it’s his bad back
Baez: tbh having Joe Madden who supported him playing as himself helped him so much. I think losing him as manager was huge on his discipline. Also he’s lost bad speed as he’s lost some of his athleticism.
Overall they just older and i also believe winning a huge championship so young it allowed these guys (and the rest of the cubs roster) to coast and they never got back to the elite level . Lastly, they both started families around 2018-2019. They’re likely just not as motivated as they were when they were young. It’s sad but happens in sports all the time
Who care. They are still loved amongst millions. All cause of a rainy night in Cleveland.
I still think Bryant could return to respectability if he could ever get a season's worth of plate appearances in. He's never healthy long enough to find a groove.
Dude just went on the IL again.
@@theclayishone I know. May never happen
At least Bryant has been injured. A LOT. But that doesn't completely absolve him of his shitty play, but at least it's an excuse. Javy has no excuse. I just don't think he loves baseball anymore. He is terrible now.