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- Jason Whitlock, Marcellus Wiley, Mark Schlereth and Tony Gonzalez talk Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes and discuss if Mahomes proved he's the best player in the NFL. Chiefs beat the Houston Texans 51-31 on Sunday.
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Is Patrick Mahomes the best QB in the NFL?
NO!! GARRAPIOLOPO IS! SAN. FRAN
Yes, he will win 2-3 rings sooner than Lamar, but they will battle them out over next 10 years. Lamar had a better year, Mahomes is a better QB.
@@captainamericaamerica8090 49er fan here and I would trade Jimmy for Mahomes
@@paulvalentine4157 no! Mahomes' injures fast. Then you'll cry.
@@paulvalentine4157 Oh for sure. I think he must have been joking lol. Mahomes is electrifying. Im a Cowboys fan and Im sure you do the same with your 49ers.... Just imagine Patty M with your teams helmet on.
I’m convinced some of these analysts def get told to “debate” just for the sake of debating. Some really sound completely ridiculous
Big T.E.S.T word ✊🏽
Marcellus is definitely one of them.
Marcellus is very annoying, I didn't like him on.sports nation and grown to like him less on this show. Witlock is hilarious.
Replace MW with Lavar Arrington, much better debater and not so Hollywood
@@Kruppt808 agree.
Mark and Tony are the IQ on that panel. Listen to the way they construct their sentences.
I never thought Jackson was on mahomes level
Not today, he's not. Maybe someday
@@sainttrunks1982 He will get injured before he ever gets there
Passing ? No but as a player he is
Ive seen lamar jackson years ago. His name was michael vick.
jessie urena he isn’t never will be.
No one in their right mind would take Lamar Jackson over Mahomes. It's laughable.
no joke... No other QB playing today could have come back 24-0 with the safe off/def/ST
Christopher Mccarroll he just disagreeing because they told him to. His argument made zero sense.
@GREATEST CHEATS OF ALL TIME nah I would still be saying that, mahomes literally breaks tons of NFL records for the two years he has been a starter..
Truuuuuuuuuuuuthhhhh
Mark polish idiot..is just that an idiot..love poles but this dude getting a check for his moronic statements are sick
They need to apologize to the Chiefs
I usually agree with a lot of what Marcellus has to say but he is so incredibly wrong on this one. Mahomes is BY FAR the better QB. Not even remotely close.
Does the show tell him to have sport takes contrary to the others or he does it on his own?
Because it just doesn't seem believable anymore.
Marcellus makes some of the dumbest points I swear Lamar is no where near as good as Mahomes
Alex King Well said, Alex!
Yes, the producers want to create debate. Sometimes the hosts actually believe the argument they have to make, sometimes they don't. Undisputed is the perfect example. Shannon and Skip literally agree on nothing, some of that is real some of it isn't.
Agreed
Cowboys fan here......I’m 42 ....been watching football every Sunday since I was kid ..........Mahomes is one of the most..if not the most talented QBs I’ve ever seen period
I’d take Mahomes over Lamar Jackson any day of the week and it’s not even close
Over Rogers too?
@@t-god2439 yup.
@@TeamMD0 Tom Brady?
@@angelaslaughter5426 yup. TB is old. And even in his prime he's not better than Mahomes.
Maybe Elway was better in his prime.
Funny thing is Mahomes hasnt even hit his prime.
Roland taylor I’m torn between Rogers or Mahomes being the most physically talented QB I’ve ever seen .........Brady is the GOAT tho ......because all he had was a good arm and what’s between his two ears and he willed himself and his team to 6 rings
If Brady can win six with his extremely limited physical talent then surely Rogers and Mahomes should have at least 3 rings each by the time of their retirements.......the physical talent those two have overall is unreal
Close your eyes and imagine Mahomes wearing your teams jersey... See what happened there? You smile uncontrollably
I rather have the weapons he have on my Team. :)
Thiago Seljan did you see the drops by those weapons that put him in a hole
Londonps drops for two drives then balled out
@@MrSeljan the weapons can fade the QB is what makes the offense go
@@JamesWilliams-iv3ef heck nah, look at Patriots, 0 weapons, 0 production, give Brady a aging superstar WR 1 time in Randy Moss and its record breaking (literally).
Chiefs have some of the best offensive players in their respective position.
Kelce/Kittle is #1/#2 TE (can make argument for either or) so they got a TOP TE, they got TOP WRs, you gotta dbl or have safety coverage over the top for T Hill cause of his pure speed, Watkins aint no slouch either, so if you dbl Hill ( which Houston did) then you leave the short/mid game open for people to have 1-on-1s which Kelce did and once they caught rhythm and were catching balls, it was over.
Only thing Chiefs lack is a solid RB and run game to supplement their deadly pass attack game.
Not to mention they got great scheming and play calling via Andy Reid, so many things coming together to enable the QB to shine here, you can't just say its cause Mahomes is great, he is, but he is only able to shine this bright because of the complimentary pieces and team literally being built around him.
Look at Lamar, with new offensive scheme to match his strengths -> literally MVP season followed.
Best QB in the NFL my opinion 💯
That is your opinion but 9 super bowl appearances and 6 rings says other wise!!!!
@@angelaslaughter5426 I said the best QB not the best QB of all time with 6 superbowls
@@angelaslaughter5426 patriots fans: "but we got 6 rings!" As they miss 10 out of the next 15 playoffs.
Jackson had better year , but Mahomes Football IQ and arm talent make him your franchise guy for the next 12+ years. RBs average three years in this league because if you keep running and injuries will happen if Lamar loses a step he becomes just a guy.
@@angelaslaughter5426 Brady won his first SB in 2002, Patrick and Lamar and was like 7 years old...come back in 18 years and we'll talk about best all time QB.
Mahomes is the best player not even close. Love Lamar but nowhere close
The separation is experience, composure, and how they handle pressure situations. Lamar has a chance to catch up but I don't know Pat is...
@@nmj8845 They essentially have the same exp. 1 year aint that much of a difference. They are both really yiung players.
- Cicero wrong
@- Cicero As long as Lamar produces and develops have no problems with Mahomes being the #1. We'll be right back with this discussion b/w Joe Burrow & Patty
lamar sucks tbh he runs fast because hes black like wow so impressive. then he tries to throw it and way overthrows it like a knuckledragger.
"greatest ability is availability" Let me know what time Lamar plays this weekend.
hahhaha goteeemm
And a player that would return 2 weeks after a dislocated kneecap..
👍🏾
lol
Haha Haha. Savage!
Where did mahomes fall short ????.... I’ll wait cause dee ford cost them that game last year not mahomes
Derek Brown If the Chiefs got that ball in OT, they would’ve had a goooooood chance of going to the super bowl
I can't like this comment enough.
He was scoreless in the first half..
@@jimmydurham9318 24 points in the 4th quarter
Mahomes accuracy is phenomenal. Dude puts it exactly on the money almost every time with ridiculous touch. His control of the offense is masterful. He's been making audibles since day 1, moves defenders with his eyes, makes great pre-snap reads and adjustments, and he's got that rare ability with his hard count to draw guys offsides, which we have recently seen from Manning and Brady. This isn't even talking about his natural raw talent, which is up there with Dan Marino and his ability to scramble while keeping his eyes down the field. Lamar Jackson isn't close to what Mahomes is, although Jackson is a special franchise QB.
Mahomes lifted his team when they had early struggles his impact on the sideline was massive, there was a lot of shots of Lamar looking sad on the sideline and the ravens continued to struggle
Adam Dwyer Mahomes is mature beyond his years. When you grow up in a locker room full of athletes the way he did. His father a professional baseball player. That is the difference Lamar is young and immature he has nor learned how to be a leader yet. You can’t encourage your team mates when you need encouraging yourself.
Dude is 22 years old. And the league MVP. Lamar could easily be right back next season with the #1 seed. Of course it doesn’t mean much if they go one and done.
@@ladyd4668 I agree but I wouldn't use the word "immature" more like unenthusiastic will fit better. He was angry at himself for the miscues. Comparing Lamar to Jameis... Lamar is miles better of an individual with his humble personality. He'll be fine next year.
Free Wifi lamar is dependent on his system. If he doesn’t have a run game he isn’t as effective. Who would you rather have down 24-0? Mahomes 10-10 times. Lamar is a way more dynamic runner but he isn’t close to as good of a passer as Mahomes.
Literally on one of the plays he was intercepted he body slammed the defender who caught it.. he's not nearly close to a leader as mahomes..
As Stephen A said today there is a difference between the running QB and a QB who can run. We saw the difference between the two over the weekend. And it's not just his ability on the field but his leadership.
PeeJay Brown Jr exactly mahomes is already a leader in his second year so many people need to wake up🤦🏼♂️
PeeJay Brown Jr But The Chiefs would be a Good Team Without Pat Mahomes If u Take LaMar Jackson off Baltimore there not a playoff team 😂 Also The Chiefs Have All Those Weapons At WR and TE and all the Ravens Have is Hollywood Brown And that TE so If u Put Lamar On the Chiefs under Andy Reid’s Tutelage He Would be even better than Pat Mahomes!!!! ***🎤 Drop**
Runner vs Scrambler. I'll take the later.
@@cowboysmania1672 Andy would never let Lamar run like Harbaugh. So he would have to be a passer which I think he could do. But Mahomes is the better QB period.
Cowboys Mania Mahomes is leagues above him when it comes to passing the ball. They had Alex Smith and the offense wasn’t elevated like this.
"Needs a body of work" to be the best player in the league? Uhhh 5,000 yards and 50 TDs in a season... How many of the greatest Quarterbacks of ALL TIME have that in their body of work?
Preach!
Brady had 55 and almost 6,000 passing yards in a season
@gob goo you forgot Brady..Brady held the record for most touchdowns in a season for years and years before manning broke it!!! Brady had 55
@@angelaslaughter5426 Nope Brady never did it in the same season.. And even if he did.. Would you ever consider Jackson better than him? Bc that's what this ia about
We are actually saying right now
"Jackson is sitting on the throne" yes, he is in the bathroom of his home instead of preparing for the AFC Championship game.
Yeah, and isn’t football a team sport. It’s any given Sunday for a reason.
Authentically Ree yeah it’s a team game but then he also blames mahomes for not making the super bowl last year, when we all really know it was dee fords fault
Not sitting on it head first in it puking his brains out because he is not in it like he wanted
Marcellus Wiley is a Hypocrite.... "Greatest ability is availability?" Then he makes up excuses for Kawhi's unavailability... lol bum
I see your point but I think am argument could be made that there's a little more leeway in the NBA because there are more games and more teams make the playoffs.
Its been proven that regular season doesn't matter in basketball so its hard to say its like for like.
@@GuyJ178 yea I got you. That's why I think analysts use the "the best ability is availability" line more in football because the regular season matters more in football
That was a foolish statement sir!
MW tries to be a Skip Bayless and just say things to get a reaction but it's not him so he comes off looking two faced.
Some segments he is fine and rational others he argues just to argue, he didn't used to be like that.
Mahomes isn’t the best player in football because he’s a Qb? Gtfoh. And wtf is Marcellus talking about.
I agree, a quarterback can't be the best football player, unless he is a physical talent. It's sometimes mentioned that Tom Brady is the best football player ever. If a 12 year old boy can beat you in a race, and a 14 year old can out bench you, you cannot be the best football player.
Russel Wilson the best player this season.
Their point is a QBs success relies so much on the guys around him that it’s not fair to compare period.... Joe Montana couldn’t hold Dan Marino’s jock strap but because Montana had the most rings on one of the greatest teams to play the game he’s considered better stop it give Marino a Jerry Rice he would’ve rewrote the record books... Think before you speak
@- Cicero No, but it is a collision sport, played by the best athletes in world. If you cannot physically beat a man, you cannot possibly be considered the best football player ever. A quarterback cant hold that title for the same reason that an archer isnt considered the best warrior ever.
If we’re talking about best football player right now, Taysom Hill has my vote. I’m a Chiefs fan but Taysom is legit scary. Can play defense, multiple offensive positions, and can make huge plays on special teams. As a pure football player, he’s probably the best rn.
A Bronco, a Charger, and a Chief at the same table. Who woulda thought?
Ej Wooten And Whitlock, a hometown KC guy haha.
Broncos, Bills, Falcon and Pig.
@@lakersfansince1991 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tony G will always be a Chief, not a falcon
If anyone would pick any other QB playing right now over Mahomes and that includes Lamar needs to have their head examined.
I would agree. but I also know that defense and running the ball wins championships. We all know what usually happens when really good defenses run into really good offenses in the playoffs. The defense generally wins. So We will se if Mahomes can break the trend. But before we even talk about a 49ers vs Chiefs superbowl, the Chiefs are gonna have to deal with that mountain of a man Derrick Henry. And the 49ers are gonna have to battle with Green Bay.
Chiefs have the better defense between the two teams left. Henry is a force and no game at this point is easy. Still no matter what happens my statement is true.
Micah Vogan Wilson is the best QB Mahomes is good But Wilson always has his team in position to win
@@skillethead15 There is no battle the 49ers own the Packers
Haha mahomes has never lost any game by more than 7. Definition of having his team in a game. Next...
Mahomes is the greatest talent since Aaron Rodgers. He has turned out to be what everyone praised Andrew Luck to be when he entered the NFL as the most hyped QB prospect of all time
I agree with this, he‘s been talent, ever since.
How was Mahomes the most hyped QB of all time? He wasn't even a top 5 pick!
@@JustinCurry007 I think he means Luck was the most hyped QB, but it turns out Mahomes is actually the guy that should have received that level of hype.
@@evilken00
That sounds better and makes sense
Luck ran into the wall.
Wiley needs to be checked for CTE. No way Lamar is even on Mahomes level.
joseph martinez Crazy every time they play it’s a super close game.
@@freewifi7163 yet the chiefs beat them in every meeting.
@clarity no which im glad he didn't that gave him a whole year to learn from veteran QB Alex Smith, and a whole year to learn the offense.. I bet if Lamar had done the same he would have done even better. As of right now mahomes is way more of a leader and an overall player than jackson..
@@sisigs4820 both games at Kansas City. Maybe a different game at the Bank
@@freewifi7163 no, one was in baltimore in 2018 and chiefs won.
Idk why I listen to these clowns.. aka ESPN rejects.. Mahomes is clearly the best QB right now. Period!
ameer saleem stop it💯
Will you be saying that after he chokes in his second straight AFC Championship game?
Well that aged well
@@jld593 Yeah he "choked" all the way to a Super Bowl Ring and MVP. LOL
Marcellus Wiley In love with a QB that cannot win a playoff game!
cuz he knows its only year two
EastGate 613 mahomes won a playoff game in year 2 and year 3
Jack McMullen exactly. I love me some action jackson but mahomes is definitely better
Jack McMullen also would have beat the titans had they benched Alex in year 1
Anthony Desenso I'm a L8J fan and agree with you. Nothing to hold ur head down abt bcz PM is that great..
Mahomes makes it to the AFC championship two years in a row, the two years he starts as QB, mounts seven TD drives in a comeback from 24 points behind, breaking records in the process. Lamar Jackson doesn't show up in playoffs. And some of these clowns still think Jackson is a better QB than Mahomes? Y'all getting paid to sit there and be stupid?
I do agree about San Fran though. But Jackson better than Mahomes?! Come on man.
Whitlock won this argument; with ease
Lamar is dynamic, and the MVP of the regular season this year. Mahomes is the better quarterback, has the best team around him, and the best coach to get the most out of his players.
Best coach? Andy Reid is a great offensive mind but hes not better than Harbaugh.
Whitlock exposed him down 24-0 who you want
imfree2able lmao facts
And the thing is it don’t be his fault when they get behind or go behind the chains he always pull the team out of messed up situations
Honestly. The whole panel was at a loss of words. That was the game of the year.
@@Terrelldingo 4 real. Love that honesty
Does anyone here truly beleive that Lemar Jackson (whose head dropped when his team were down 0-14) would have overcome that 0-24 deficit?
Yes I do he could bring his team back down by 24. Lamar Jackson was left hung out to dry by his coaching staff that game and he knew it.
I would put Derrick Henry in the conversation, especially if the Titans go on to win the SB
Yeah he's a downright beast
can’t argue with that
"Down 24-0. Who ya want?" You know it's bad when Jason Whitlock makes the most valid point. Lol!
“You have to prove that you deserve to be in that conversation”
Let’s see MVP of the 2018 season
50 touchdowns in one season
Lead KC to Back to Back AFC championships where they hosted
Most TD’s from any QB over the last 2 combined seasons
Oh and all of this in his first 2 years as the full time starter.
Don’t say Lamar Jackson deserves to be in the conversation if Patrick doesn’t. Lamar took the league by storm this year, and trust me Lamar is great, but next season coaches will take note. Lamar won’t take the NFL by surprise next year. Surprise is an important element. We saw it last year in KC compared to this year and Baltimore will see lesser returns from Lamar next year.
Santa Christ Lamar gonna be great next year too.
I mean, they said this "VERY" thing last year. How long you & everyone else gonna keep repeating this?
To beat Lamar all you gotta do is cover the middle of the field. the Titans exposed Lamar
@@crokar5835 Yep, his plays are designed for him to run where Mahomes extends plays that have devolved. Those read option plays only work for so long before defences recognize the package and can start to jump and beat it. Too many times Lamar held on to the ball to long trying to decide to run or give it to his RB. There were times in the season if he had given it to the RB, they would have had an open field, but Lamar kept it and got stuffed. All eyes are on him, and they (he really) needs to trust the rest of his team.
Crokar his receivers had 6 dropped passes and lamar still had 500+ yards the ravens couldn’t get a stop and couldn’t finish drives. the ravens mostly beat themselves
Wiley is such a lamar groupie i swear
Lamar turn it over 3 times. Couldnt convert 2 4th and short
Come on
4th and shorts arent a gimme this is the nfl otherwise everybody would always go for it
There was also about 8-9 drops
@@jwhite5602 it was for the ravens up until that game. Perfect 100% converting 4th and 1 till that game. 🤷♂️
Merine Xavier 2 out of the 3 Turnovers were Lamar’s fault. The QB sneak failures are solely because of the ravens o-line. If the o-line cant push the d-line back to allow a qb sneak then there will be a turnover on downs. The defense chocked, the ravens receivers (except Marquise Brown) were suffering from butterfinger-itis with those 8 drops.
@@jamesbulge481 Did you see how many drops KC's Wr's had in that game??? about 6-7
Patrick Mahomes is the best football player. Shouldn't even be a debate.
These dudes don’t even have a debate yes Mahomes is still that dude!
Did Marcellus watch the game? Lamar did not play well. He was inaccurate, turned the ball over, and was inconsistent throwing the ball. One pass was a strike, then the next 2 would be complete ducks in the air.
Elijah Kats
Nah did YOU watched the game, 8 drops?! Granted 2 out of the 3 turnovers were 100% Lamar’s fault. But with Greg Roman abandoning the run and the entire team chocking is a big reason for their exist.
His inaccuracy is an issue nobody talks about. He threw behind receivers all game long
Lamar is throwing to the likes of Willie Snead, Seth Roberts and an injured Hollywood brown. Mahomes is literally finding guys that r getting 8 yards of separation each play. And on top of that lots of his drives were on short fields yesterday. Baltimore was starting back at the 10 several times. Lamar's first TO was also off a drop but he did mess up the next 2 TOs
Surya Polina that’s fine and I don’t think they’ll ever get elite wr talent unless it’s through the draft because of there style of offense, but if you watched he was inaccurate and late on throws often and a lot of his balls fluttered. The way they were able to dominate the run and play with a lead throughout the year covered a lot of his flaws.
@@elijahkats961 he also doesn't have WRs that can generate much separation. Andrews was clearly hurt so he couldn't run the same. But the teams drops didn't help either. He had a few inaccurate throws but he also had a lot of very accurate throws in very tight windows. He found Seth Roberts in triple coverage but got it perfectly in there but he dropped it when Seth could've ran for a td. Lamar still clearly has lots of room to improve passing, notably outside the numbers. But frankly that game vs Tennessee he was throwing quite well. I don't think Baltimore ran it enough early they just don't have the personell to throw that much
Tony is the only respectable analyst on this joke of a panel.
Those ivy league professors are smacking their heads watching this video..... I mean, TECHNICALLY, by these standards Marcellus is putting forward.... Lamar is yet to win the MVP so TECHNICALLY he is yet to take that spot from Mahomes....... TECHNICALLY
MVP should be given after the pro bowl which should be played after the SB. We know who is the best at that point.
Mvp is given out the day before the Superbowl and after the probowl. Is one day a difference maker... no. Cause the guys in the SB are looking to be the SB MVP. If they hoist the trophy you really think MVP is more important to them rather than winning a ring?
Wiley dont know what he talking about jackson did great this year but seriously all around for the last 2years mahommes is the best qb in the league, he is going to back to back afc championship games last 2 years jackson hasnt won 1 playoff game yet
Marcus. You just like to argue. You try to pretend you’re smarter than you are Stop
I hate when he does that, I used to believe his sports takes, now he is a lesser uninteresting skip Bayless.
His name is Marcellus
Pat Mahomes best player in NFL past 2 years
Tutti Frutti he different, mahomes is more talented than a prime arod this early in his career
Tutti Frutti exactly.. dude was given a whole team and elite head coach.. I’m tired of this. Same with Jackson.. the moment this dude had to play qb and not run what happen?.. two young QBs given everything and watch this hinder them in the long run
DIDN'T GO TO SUPER BOWL. WHIST TOM BRADY DESTROYED ALL. HE DOMINATED AND TOOK THE SUPER BOWL EASILY. AND AT 41!!
@Tutti Frutti Mahomes played most of this year missing very key pieces on offense. still got the two seed and hosting the AFC Championship game lol.
@@FamousFelix08 Go watch the first Mahomes game where he beat Denver's starters with the 2nd string.
Mahomes is playing this weekend and Lamar isn't. In order to be the best Quarterback you have to also win in clutch moments & going back to Lamar's college days in Louisville he hasn't won the big game for all of the marbles. He was 0-2 vs Clemson and now 0-2 in the playoffs so I see a trend here.
Clemson had the better team and pro prospects for both seasons
@@adajoy215 Lamar also lost to Mahomes twice
@@adajoy215 True but in 2017 they lost 42-36 & Lamar had a chance to win the game & fell short.
I live when people blame it on Lamar and don’t look at the stats, I’m not talking about the yardage, I’m talking about the play calls, Lamar threw the ball fifty nine times, 8 drops, Ingram AND GUS EDWARDS combine for 9 carries. This game wasn’t Lamar’s fault, they just didn’t know what to do so they basically asked Lamar to carry them, everyone shat their pants and now apparently Lamar’s to blame
@@smokesky6863 I definitely don't put it all on Lamar but his 3 turnovers were killer. I wouldn't have rested him for 3 weeks IMO.
I'm usually with Mark Schlereth on his opinions, but his "QB isn't the best PLAYER in the NFL" take is beyond silly.
Joe Misek it doesn’t even sound like something he’d say normally this was a weird segment right down to the Churchill comparison. I’m sure I guess both of those guys didn’t quit but Is that it?
Nah, he's just old school, he was just saying the QB can't be the best FOOTBALL player. He's talking about mostly intangibles, leadership, doing your job, being versatile etc.
He just couldn't figure out what he was trying to say, and it doesn't help that there's a couple of QBs in the league rn who just might be the best FOOTBALL player in the league.
I think in his era the best FOOTBALL player wasn't normally the QB.
Taysum? Hill, His performance in their loss the other night, was a perfect example of a great FOOTBALL player.
Don't curse me out too much, I ain't watched but maybe 2 games all year, and caught only 2 of these playoff games.
But I think I know what he means.
@@yopappy6599 Totally with you. I think he was trying to say that the QB is so contingent on the rest of the team clicking, you don't have a "guy" to beat like a WR-CB matchup or tackle vs. edge rusher. But whatever. You have to do your job the best of all the guys on the field to be even a serviceable QB nowadays. Mark fumbled this dialogue.
Mark is been salty because his Denver Broncos gonna have to deal with him for the next 15 years and Wiley Chargers
Patrick mahomes had 2 injuries that slowed him down and 1 devastating injury that took him out for 4 games and came back and almost had 5k yards agian like why isn't he the MVP like what, and Lamar Jackson is not mvp like oh man he can run like ya he's skinny and fast sure he will juke you but mahomes is the mvp comeing back and never missing a beat that's what a good qb does and doesn't choke in the playoffs lmao
prestonb60 lamar led the league in passing tds and total tds, he threw for over 3,000 and ran for over 1,200, broke mike vick’s record led his team to a 14-2 record when everyone doubted him and didn’t believe in him as a quarterback, has one bad game and people want to call him trash, and patrick mahomes only missed 2 games had 9 less passing tds was 1000 yards short of 5000 so he was not as close as you say, and has every weapon you can think of surrounding him, don’t try and act like mahomes played better then lamar all season that would make you sound like an idiot.
@@dominic8088 one made it to the super bowl and one didn't. Guess which one.
Mahomes would've been back to back MVP this season too if he didn't get hurt and was out for like 5 weeks this isn't even close!
But it's always one player that will always make a Bigger Impact, like Derrick Henry, and that one player on the Chiefs is, Patrick Mahomes 🔥
Give Tom Brady the weapons mahomes has and Brady would have embarrassed the NFL...look at the talent around mahomes...he's throwing to wide open receivers
@@angelaslaughter5426 give Mahomes a top 5 Defense and see where he takes the Chiefs.
@@angelaslaughter5426 Mahomes is so much better than Brady right now it's not even close LOL. Face it the Patriots are done. Gonna be hard for Patriots fans to accept that for a while.
@@jasonatkinson5626 like I said, put Brady with the weapons mahomes has and he wouldn't embarrass the NFL..put mahomes with the sloppy offense New England had this year and mahomes wouldn't even make it to the playoffs...do you actually think for one minute that if Brady was the quarter back for Kansas city that he wouldn't be successful???? Answer me that!!!
@@davestoutenborough7687 Give Brady just one of mahomes receivers and see where it takes him!!! Y'all talking smack about Brady now but keep that same energy after they give him some help!!! Brady has lost playoff games before, who hasn't??? He'll be back!!!
Didn’t Lamar lose to Patty this year???????
Yes. yes he did.
Mark schelereth is also on something 🤣
How many records is Patrick Mahomes have to break for these guys to actually give them credit
Lamar Jackson deserves the MVP this year, but I wouldn't take him over Mahomes... they are both amazing.. as a fan of the game, I'll continue to tune in every Sunday to watch them play.
One fair person in these comments why must they always be pitted against each other? I know - ratings.
Who's playing and who's watching? That's all I'll say.
They need to stop talking like KC is already in the SB. Worry about the game ahead of you. Focus on beating the Titans THEN look at the NFC.
They are talking like they are on a show, genius. 🤦🏻♂️
Yeah it will be good times after the Chief's lose to the Titans. I will never let the Chief fans hear the end of it. That would be two years in a row Pat lost in a AFC championship game.
How'd that work out? 🤣🤣🤣
Tired of hearing about Lamar's yards. He had how many turn overs. His throws were off target and he looked awful from the pocket. Until he can win a game without the running game going he is not the best QB. He deserves MVP this year due to stats he put up but no one in their right mind would take him over Mahomes or Watson.
Agreed.
"Greatest ability is availability"
Last time I checked, Lamar ain't available to play in the AFCCG....the reigning MVP is.
By that logic, Tom Brady should’ve been the MVP last year.
@@WindyCityNick But if you want better logic, Mahomes had a horrible defense last year. The Chiefs were littered with injuries this year, including Mahomes' ankle and knee.
AND STILL, during the Patrick Mahomes era, the Chiefs have never lost by more than one possession.
Y'all gonna have to face it...Mahomes is Michael Jordan type of special.
steviekeas Yeah but MVP is a regular season award and often is based off of record and stats. Mahomes did things no first year starter has done. Lamar did things no QB has done this year while clinching the #1 seed.
Nick Seul sure, the award is based off of that...
But the true MVP isn’t someone who doesn’t even play in the playoffs or does and lays an egg.
There’s certainly no comparing Lamar’s blowout loss to Mahomes leading his team to a historic win...and he doesn’t even have the moves or speed to run like Lamar.
All yards and how many TDS to show for it? Was pathetic. Definitely not the true MVP.
you must not understand what he meant by that.its okay you’ll get em next time
I’ve really like Mark, but wtf u mean QB can’t be best player? Gtfoh
These analysts wasn't even going for KC. This is such b's
In the next 5 years there will not be a conversation like this. There will only be 15.
Cheap Shot wym?
Most of Those 508 total yards were empty yards.. Titans had no problem letting him run... Cause the clock was ticking and they shut them down in the red zone..
Lamar played lights out in regular season and will get the MVP. However, Mahomes could win the Super Bowl MVP and I would rather have that title.
Jackson didn’t throw a single TD and took that L when they played KC. Mahomes didn’t get injured he might have been the “MVP” again. I’m not sold on Lamar and it’s been proven
Everyone's defense is all world until its Patrick mahomes on the other side
CQ III Him and the legion of zoom
@@VizWorld_SIA100 I like that "Legion Of Zoom"
I love the respect they put on the niners
Probably one of the most impressive comebacks ever. Because you start out down by 24 then it takes only One quarter to gain the lead and then not only do you come back. You literally win by 20. Thats insane!!!
Whose idea was it to compare Mahomes to Churchill? Jason Whitlock?? Mahomes is one of the top Q.B.'s playing this season.
Mahomes came back from 24(yes with a great supporting cast) Lamar hasn't comeback once when behind by 14 or more.
Thank you Mark!!!!!!
This debate went all over the place 😂😂
Hey, what's Lamar's record against the Chiefs?
Go ahead, I'll wait.
Exactly
Chiefs vs 49ers in Super Bowl. Mahomes will expose that defense .!
If they play and wins he wouldn't expose them ,he'd overcome them, that niners defense is legit
Nope, a great pass rush beats a great QB ever time. Tom VS Giants, Peyton VS Seahawks, Cam VS Broncos. Mahomes is great but that Defense will get after him.
State Farm Super Bowl: Aaron Rodgers completes the upset cycle.
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Facts
It would be a great strength on strength matchup. The Chiefs Defense is legit too, just as good as any of the defenses that kept the games close with the 9ers this year.
Would be a great game.
KC showed us all a life lesson. NEVER QUIT.
NOT JUST A QB. A TEAM.
21st pick. First round. Detroit picked a linebacker.
Detroit was not thinking of QBs two years ago.
With a serious back injury we have to consider finding one in draft or trade.
Our QB is a fantastic person we love him here in the D.
As Elway once said. I love the game... Y'all know the rest
Mahomes has the slight edge as QB. As a leader, Mahomes is the best I’ve seen in the league. He had guys dropping passes all over the place, not to mention all the other gaffs. He stayed calm and collected and LEAD his team to an improbable comeback. He didn’t throw his helmet around, he didn’t sit around and feel sorry for himself. Yes, he had help from the spark of Mecole’s return and a great stop by Sorenson, but without Mahomes’ confidence and leadership they don’t complete that comeback. “Attitude reflects leadership”, and this kid has a great attitude.
Of course after throwing the ball 59 times, you will have some yards those yards came in the second half, which was mostly empty yards because they never had a chance, and 500 yards and 12 pts tells the whole story
Marcellus is delusional when it comes to Lamar
Y’all forgetting the titans beat the Chiefs in the regular season!! Don’t sleep on the Titans!!
They are stout but KC is a more complete team.
alwaysopen not really titans defense is better than chiefs
I love my 49ers and I’m happy no matter what happens but if they win this weekend and the chiefs do too....Mahomes is a “problem” lol
Most of the 501 yards Lamar had were in garbage time. Yards are a misleading stat.
That has been his story all year. He put up great numbers against trash teams that had no playoff aspirations.
Stop it Marcellus!
Your tripin, Patrick is better then Jackson.
No he's not. If he was he would have been MVP. He wasn't.
Churchill was a "drunken bum" according to his general staff, FDR and many others...
Patrick Mahomes is a beast...period
Lemar Jackson - king of the regular season (when you win nothing). Mahomes is MILES ahead of Jackson, it ain't even close.
Lamar not better than Mahomes buddy
William Spencer not better but is the MVP
Erik Merritt I give you that but next year he’s fully exposed
Everybody but Tony are annoying on this show
..What's his name..Sa-Liss...Salas..."yeah, I like him and kyle shanahan"...pffft...if you are going to act like you did some research, at least know dudes name...Tony needs a raise for baby-sitting..
Jason - please ask that "Who do you want" question to Deion. heheheheheh
Andy Reid Vs Vrabel is underrated coaching matchup. Vrabel is a super high football IQ, and is a players coach. His guys are going to go to battle for him because he’s a great motivator.
Big red and spags ALL DAY LONG
I see some haters
Lol. ‘Just stack the line of scrimmage’ to stop Henry. I can’t believe New England didn’t think of that!
No one gonna talk about Tony saying KFC chiefs @ 9:04 😂
He wishes he played with Mahomes.
Quarterback CAN'T be best player. Thank you Mark, (current) Chiefs fan.
That’s just dumb. Alex Smith proved being average isn’t good enough. Mahomes is clearly the best player because he makes plays and enables his play makers to make plays. Kelce and Hill both have numbers that far exceed what they were with Smith. Thanks to Mahomes, they both broke franchise records for their positions. They did that because they have the best player throwing them the ball, not an average one.
@@ThisGuyDrives I'm sorry but that's not exactly true. Tyreek Hill is being targeted less than he was with Smith and MORE of those throws are UNCATCHABLE according analytics. Kelce is doing the exact same thing he did with Smith. 1000 yards in each season, but Mahomes is throwing to Kelce MORE while Sammy and Hill are getting less looks. Mahomes, like most young QBs, is heavily dependent on his TE Kelce. The win loss-record when Kelce is out shows this. Mahomes is great, but saying a QB is the best player is disrespectful to actual football players.
Wiley is blind in love with Lamar the RB. NO running QB wins in the playoffs. They never have.
Preach that gospel
@Aidan C Cam newton made it too. Both took home the L shaped trophy
Aidan C kap wasn’t close to the best player on his team
Don Strong That’s what y’all say now? After being completely invisible during the regular season you were just waiting for a ravens loss to call Lamar a RB.
Go back to your circus clown.
@@Salisboury you said it, "regular season." Gotta win when it matters, hence why Harden gets his slander. Welcome to the internet kid. If you ain't a kid then ok Boomer.
Good segment,boys.
I kind of disagree with Mark Schlereth. What football player isn't dependent on his teammates to be successful. You can't take Patrick Mahomes out of the conversation for best football player based on that. It's not like anyone player is controlling all aspects of the game, i.e. offense, defense amd special teams.
Jackson ain’t and never will be on pats level
Lamar didn't have to comeback on the Texans. He beat them 41 - 7 in their house.
the legendztruth and after the first qt chiefs out scored them 51-10 and still won 🤷🏽♂️should’ve tried to comeback against Tennessee
@@RavensFlock9592 Patrick 2-0 verses Lamar. Both wins he beat him with the league worst Defense.lol
Whitlock: Quarterback isn't a football player stop it mark, Aahahahaaaa
Me: wtf is up with tat laugh?!!...
He asked him a question not make a statement
you're taking what he said out of context.
PUT SOME RESPEK ON MAHOMIES NAME! THE BLASPHEMY 😴
I don't know about 'Best player in football', but some of the arguments were ridiculous... "Lamar Jackson because of his body of work" MVP Season, but he's also 1 and done in the playoffs twice, has lost to the Chiefs twice. Meanwhile Mahomes has an MVP season, has back to back AFC Championship appearances, is setting passing records and is 2-0 vs the Ravens with Lamar.
Then we have "Quarterbacks cant be the best football player" That one speaks for itself. QB is the most important and involved position in football. To say they aren't football players (dafuq?) is asinine.
I KEEP SAYING THIS!!!!!.....Brady is the Bill Russell of the NFL (most rings, before MJ, considered the GOAT based on rings, but never considered the greatest talent)....the NFL just needs its version of Michael Jordan to come along and claim the real GOAT title, even with less rings.....that coulda been Rodgers...it can also be Mahomes...cuz let’s face it, hard to believe anyone catching Brady in rings
Mahomes will surpass Brady in rings. He's too good.
Nobody would ever be as Great as Brady...During his Long career he was 1 of the most CLUTCH players in Sports...His Leadership ability was 2nd to none...His decision making was Brilliant...Could read a defense better than anyone...Brady was the most Complete QB the NFL has ever watched play the position...And dude was a WINNER
joe chrow I understand, there’s a reason he’s the GOAT...but can he do more things on a football field then Mahomes?....take away Belichick for his whole career...who would you take WITHOUT BELICHICK, Brady or Mahomes?
You cant win without great players but Championships start in the front office. New England from office to field is all time.
@@2160michael Take Brady from Bill and you have a Coach who never won a thing...Works both ways...Really not into this silly Bill or Brady debate ...Both were GREAT with eachother...You cant just CLAIM Mahomes or any other QB would have 6 SBs will bill...Brady can make the throws and he also has manby other attributes as a QB
How quickly Tom Brady is for left for dead😤😣😣😣😣
You know how many times Tom Brady led 7 TD drives in 1 playoff game? ZERO
Brady playoff games 50+ points: ZERO
How many times has Tom Brady thrown 4 TDs in 1 quarter? Mahomes did it twice this year.
Quickly?...Well the dude is "42" years old...And his Wide receivers were ranked DEAD LAST in the NFL in Separation...No coincidence that the LAST PLAY of the Pats season the receiver could not even Separate an "inch" from the Defender
@@camerondavis8356 2011 Patriots Broncos, Brady threw 5 TDs in the first half and were winning 42-7 with 11 minutes left in the 3rd quarter lmao.
These "Mahomes TD Drives" were basically 25 yards a piece each because the Texans were puking over themselves. Could underhand those TD "passes"
@@camerondavis8356 idiot! Stats means zero! SUPER BOWLS WINS MEANS EVERYTHING!! PAY ATTENTION FOOL= SUPER BOWL RINGS= BRADY 6!! 💍💍💍💍💍💍, MAHOMES= 000000
@@camerondavis8356 u right with no rings u fukin idiot. No rings. I repeat zerrrrooooo😂🤣😂🤣😂
Love the Churchill reference
Just that one game should win MVP